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Kathleen
says:Thisarticlefrom CNN says you said “theoretical” so it must be true. Of course, the article also says we’re doing scanning on the2nd floor of our book-shelving department, so what do they know!
Carl Malamud
says:> for saving or printing using formats such as PDFJohn, pardon me if I don’t grock Mirlyn, but I pulled up a public domain document (a congressional hearing). I was able to pull thetext up and page through, but there didn’t appear to be an easy way to save a single page, let alone the entire hearing. Perhaps thatfunction is available to Michigan students, but I suspect the rest of the citizens of Michigan are in the same boat as the rest of usingthe crippled interface.I think it is fine that Michigan and Google have their arrangement, but it is disturbing when we see a state-funded institution like U.of Michigan putting up artificial barriers to access.Your Mirlyn site is ok as far as web sites go, but letting a thousand flowers bloom always leads to more innovation. It would begreat if any grad student in Ann Arbor (or anyplace else) could download your govdocs docs and come up with a better userinterface.(In addition to more innovation, that policy would lead to a more informed citizenry, which is generally considered an importantpart of democracy and I suspect is part of your state-sponsored mandate.)Carl
jpwilkin
says:Gosh, Carl, I think the best way I can respond is not only to say that I whole-heartedly agree with your call for more vigoroussharing, but to point to my fourth paragraph, where I point to your work and urge the same thing. Look, my point is that while this isgood, and we are fighting for deeper sharing, this sort of thing is a fairly narrow piece of the openness issue.On your point about the functionality and the opaqueness of getting PDFs, we’ll take that into account in our usability. It’s there,and we can do better. I should not that for us larger PDF chunks is also a resource issue, but that we’re very close to releasing a newversion that gives you 10 pages at a time. Personally, I like the screen resolution PNG files and very much dislike PDF as a format,but that’s a usability position and not a philosophical one.
Carl Malamud
says:At the risk of having too many positions dancing on the head of a comment, being able to download/save a copy of the full doc is apretty key usability concern.
Brewster Kahle
says:John– while it may not be appropriate to start this in a comment, but I am quite taken aback by your seeming implication that“open” includes what google is doing and what UMich is doing.“Open” started to be widely used in the Internet community in association with certain software. Richard Stallman calls it “free”,but “open” has also come to be used as well. Lets start with that.“Open Source” in that community means the source code can be downloaded in bulk, read, analyzed, modified, and reused.“Open Content” has followed much the same trajectory. Creative Commons evolved a set of licenses to help the widespreaddownloading of creative works, or “content”. Downloading, and downloading in bulk, is part of this overall approach as we see it atthe Internet Archive.
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