We claim we can't get rid of them, nobody wants them, but the truth that if they weren't alQaeda when we captured them -- and most of them were not, as many of you probablyunderstand -- they are now after 7, 8, 9 years of being incarcerated without any hearingsor any rights. So we don't always look at ourselves in ways we should.In any case, the Cheney-Bush years, I can just describe this scene that I was talking aboutearlier today, which is that in early April of 2003 after we won, quote-unquote, the war,before the insurgents -- the dead-enders, as Mr. Rumsfeld called it initially -- beforethey took, before the other war began, the war of attrition, there was looting of theartifacts. There was a big, sort of, it was a huge story in the United States and I'm surearound the world, the various gangs that were looting -- there is a lot of looting inTunisia right now, it's one of the byproducts of unrest -- the various gangs looted themuseums, etc. There was a big hue and cry, and Rumsfeld was asked about it and his basicattitude was sort of: "Boys will be boys," you know, "This is the price of freedom."So, but in the Cheney shop -- I can write about it in ways I could not then, because Ididn't want expose anybody who was there -- in the Cheney shop the attitude was, "What'sthis? What? What are they all worried about, the politicians and the press, they're allworried about some looting? And wait a second, Sunnis don't like Shia? And there's no WMD?And there's no democracy? Don't they
? We're going to change mosques into cathedrals.And when we get hold of all the oil, nobody' s going to give a damn." That's the attitude:"We're going to change mosques into cathedrals."That's an attitude that pervades, I'm here to say, a large percentage of the SpecialOperations Command, the Joint Special Operations Command and Stanley McChrystal, the onewho got in trouble because of the article in
, and his follow-on, a Navyadmiral named McRaven, Bill McRaven -- all are members or at least supporters of Knights ofMalta. McRaven attended, so I understand, the recent annual convention of the Knights ofMalta they had in Cyprus a few months back in November. They're all believers -- many ofthem are members of Opus Dei. They do see what they are doing -- and this is not anatypical attitude among some military -- it's a crusade, literally. They see themselves asthe protectors of the Christians. They're protecting them from the Muslims in the 13thcentury. And this is their function. They have little insignias, they have coins they passamong each other, which are crusader coins, and they have insignia that reflect that, thewhole notion that this is a war, it's culture war.Look, Knights of Malta does great stuff. They do a lot of charity work; so does Opus Dei.It's a very extreme, extremely religious, Roman Catholic sect, if you will. But for me,it's always, when I think of them, I always think of the line we used about Werner vonBraun. Werner Von Braun was the German rocket scientist who invented the V-2. And afterWWII we had a secret program of bringing and sort of de-Nazifying some of the Germanscientists who were valuable to our own energy, our own missile program. And we brought himhere -- I think it was called PAPERCLIP, the secret program -- and we brought him here tosort of recreate his life. You know, he was this nuclear... he was this scientist, he was arocket scientist. So there was a wonderful satirist named Tom Lehrer [Mort Sahl
] --some of you old-timers might remember him, he wrote ditties. And one of his ditties aboutWerner von Braun was, oh yes, "Werner von Braun, he aimed for the moon but often hitLondon." With his rockets. So the trouble with some of these religious groups is they mayhave good things, but right now there is a tremendous, tremendous amount of anti-Muslimfeeling in the military community.So, what is Obama doing? Obama has turned over, I think his first year, basically, heturned over the conduct of the war to the men who are prosecuting it: to Gates, to Mullen,who is the chairman of the Joint Chiefs. And in early March, as I recreate it -- andnothing is written in stone, but I'm just telling you what I've found in my talking and myworking on this over the years -- we have a general running the war in Afghanistan namedMcKiernan. McKiernan, unlike McChrystal, his deputy at the time Rodriguez, unlike Petraeus,unlike Eikenberry... They were all together at West Point class of 74, 75, 76 -- what theycall, we always call the sort of West Point Protective Association. McKiernan was Williamand Mary, not West Point. And Gates went to see him in March of ‘09, sort of the first bigexploration on behalf of the new Obama administration. What do you need to win the war?Well, the correct answer was, he said, "300,000" -- of course, he knew he wouldn't get it,he was just saying to win that's what it's going to take.There was a Russian study, the Russians did some wonderful studies after they were sort ofbeaten to death in Afghanistan (that we called a great victory of America versus thecommunists, the surrogate war there we fought in the 80s). When the Russians left they dida number of studies that have since been put back in the archives by the Politburo. Butwhen they were out, they showed that, the Russians estimated, just to seal off Pakistanfrom Afghanistan, the Hindu Kush, 180,000 troops alone just to seal it off so you couldn'tget the cross-border stuff that we are so worried about in terms of fighting the war inAfghanistan with the ability of the Taliban to retreat into Pakistan.