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show.
because I know you said you only had about twenty minutes here
R.C: Why did you submit the bill, and what - what's in the
bill?
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Rep. M.H: Well, this is House Bill 401, and it's entitled
absence of any action by Congress, that the states have the duty
and obligation to step forward, and try to make sure that those
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in the bill?
birth certificate.
Now that has, that has changed with the substitute, because
requirements.
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United States.
didn't come through, but I think I got the gist of it. So you're
if I'm wrong.
Rep. M.H: OK
R.C: And...
Rep. M.H: But we're not - it's not... it's not re-
submitting the bill. Basically, you know, as the bill, any bill
Bill 401.
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R.C: OK. So we'll call it the revised... revised House
Bill 401.
birth certificate?
R.C: And does it still say it has to have the name of the
and I'll tell you, just, my basis for doing that, I, when I was
at home over the weekend, you know - as you know we're in the
and when I was at home over the weekend, I was able to pull a
copy of my long form birth vertificate, and was able to, you
I've got now is that it would include the candidate's date, time
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sounds like your bill still reads in such a way that that would
contain - I've got a line in here that says the candidate shall
or records, and you know, I agree with you that many states, if
doesn't mean that you can't obtain that - the original long form
birth certificate, and I have heard the arguments about the Full
Faith and Credit clause, but this really, basically, when we're
However, the States have the duty of carrying out the elect...
and not any other State's ballot - that we would have the
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many states will give, and you - you said something I'm going to
take issue with. You said the original long form birth
And Hawaii has stated specifically that since 2001, when you
similar to the one that was published for President Obama. They
on it – now...
assume that that is correct, and that Hawaii can only issue the
- and then we've got things like, medical records which would
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that case?
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of State?
review.
Rep. M.H: Well, yes... and R.C, I think that, you know,
council here, we're talking about running for the highest office
expect the person who is going to take on that awesome task and
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Well, let's, let's move on. Does your bill - does your
bill still have the requirement that the candidate has to supply
R.C: Okay...
sure that this was not something that was - that was going
beyond the strict requirements of the Constitution, I made that
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knowing what you know, from what's available in the public, and
same answer I've given when I've been asked this in the past,
and that is, I don't know. And, I could - I could say, as a lot
the issue or not, you have to admit that this issue has become -
come out and say, hey, we're going to put this, we're going to
think the fact that this has gone on for so long, and has not
suspicions. And I'm not - I'm not here to say that the
think that you have to - you have to bring forth the records,
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R.C: Well, what about Joe Biden? I'll ask you the same
original bill last year didn't even include anything about the
vice president.
but basically, what - what I was doing last year was putting -
putting something out there, and I'll tell you I got the
language for last year's bill straight from the Arizona version,
public dialogue about the issue. And, in fact, you know it did
did was, I came back this year, as I said I would, and I came
holding the office of vice president are the same as those for
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R.C: Right. Well, I'll tell you what, I've got a whole
L.C: I've got to say, sir, first of all it's good to talk
to you, and...
sounds like you've addressed a lot of the - not just the issues
that I - that I've written about, but also some other ones that
it appears, so...
colleagues, and hearing from the public, and trying to make the
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born.
in, Loren, because when Hawaii puts out a document, like they
did for Obama, and puts that state seal on it, what the
define a birth certificate for federal use? And the one Hawaii
issues, and the other short forms, meets that definition. Also,
are you saying you don't trust Hawaii? Is that what you're
saying?
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Rep. M.H: Well, no, not at all... but again, you're - you
L.C.: But...
Rep. M.H: - as a result of that, would be able to obtain a
actual long form birth certificate says. I'm just - and I'm
you're the President of the United States, and you've got other
things on your agenda that are - that are important, and - and
of worldwide import, why not just go ahead and put this thing to
rest, and just go ahead and release the records that would - you
Rep. M.H: I'm kinda - I'm sorry, I was losing you a little
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the State of Hawaii has made it very clear that this is the only
website that describes that program says that if you have one of
the old birth certificates that - you know - like, like a long
still have one, but if you don't have that and you want to get a
were born.
Hawaii gives out. The other comment I have is, you say that if
you were not born in Hawaii, that you can get a Hawaiian
birth certificate?
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comments?
R.C: Yes.
Rep. M.H: I'm sorry - who - who are we speaking with here?
I'm not - I'm not willing to say something that's been put up on
And - you know - you may not be in agreement with that, but I
think that, again, we're not talking about - you know - we're
(Someone interjects.)
Rep. M.H: I'm sorry, but just let me finish this thought.
Whether or not that you agree with the fact that this has become
national issue, and, you know we had a recent poll that came out
- I think R.C. indicated that it was from CNN. I'm not sure if
not be a Republican, you may not vote Republican, but you've got
chunk of this nation's voters, and if you've got more than half
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and that birth certificate shall include your full name, full
name of your parents, date and place of birth, sex, date the
birth record was filed, and the seal of the official custodian,
birth. It's also the same information as what you would get if
you get a certification of birth from the state of Georgia.
original, but I also have here from 1997, they issued me a, sort
think I've got a good answer for you, and that is that we're
just simply being born on the soil, and that's why the issue –
a little back and forth on this in the AJC and in our emails,
the presidency, and there – and I'll be the first to say that
scholarship from, that was around the time that the constitution
was written in the time of the founders that – for example, the
that nation.
Evans Hughes was born in the United States, but his father had
not yet naturalized at the time of his birth and therefore was
elected, but what I was going to point out was that a gentleman
long time.
running for the Republican party nomination and having been born
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MR. HATFIELD: I would argue that that was due to the fact
the election of 1856 – do you know that was the first time the
Republican party ran a candidate was in 1856? His name was John
party.
Now this was before the Civil War. This was before the
was John McLean who was a justice of the Supreme Court. So you
would have brought up the fact that John Charles Fremont had a
before the 14th amendment stated that anybody who's born in the
the first to tell you I don't discount that, and I think, you
know, these are valid observations. But what I'm pointing out
means, and the Supreme Court of the United States has never told
be a U.S. citizen.
Hatfield may not know the answer to that, it's pretty clear, and
the House do, but we're not talking about citizenship issues
born citizenship.
LC: [inaudible]
want to note for the record that's exactly the same kind of
people who run for one office than run for another office.
citizen.
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wouldn't say is that we can hold some people to one standard and
satisfy you.
But, you know, this isn't about my birth certificate, this
gladly produce for you any evidence you need to see that I'm a
citizen, but this is about the person who occupies the highest
there was a question about our own Senator John McCain. Now,
offensive as an Arizonan.
regard to John McCain who was born in the Panama Canal Zone.
Now, I'm not – you know, you can try to rewrite history if you'd
like to, but the fact is the question was raised. You gotta
not he's a natural born citizen somehow says that the children
patently unfair.
eligible.
So, I mean, let's get real here. What we're talking about
is we're talking about the highest office in the land, and you
can try to make this about a city council or you can try to make
something that you cannot get away from, no matter how much you
might try.
place of birth?
in the land. Are you telling me they can't go out and spend $20
underlying –
too.
it fair.
in 2006?
RC: Okay, did you bring forth a bill in 2006 to make sure
January 2005.
RC: Okay, so you took office the same time George Bush was
sworn in for his second term, and you had no concern – did you
have any concerns then about George Bush or Bill Clinton or any
but you know, I'm just like everyone else out in the world that
just like you apparently are doing by talking about the issue on
because –
many people feel more deeply about our constitution and our
that what I have some concern about is the idea that Mr.
lot of internet rumors out there, but to say that those internet
and put an end to the issue, come on, you can't make it about
it's an issue.
MS. SINEMA: Well, to be honest with you, I don't think
that's all that he said, if you would certainly take some time
and go back –
thought.
in places like World Net Daily, all the birther sites, the
mock the birthers, but we also take them seriously, because some
people that have some really crazy ideas who are allied with
know that and I know that, I mean, but you know I don't buy into
these things like sovereign citizens and all that. I'm just a
statement and what Dr. Fukino said was: I have seen the
MR. HATFIELD: Well, you know, I believe that when you have
pause, but then you have the governor of Hawaii that comes in.
records, and she verified that he was born in Hawaii, yes, but
records that would verify, but not the birth certificate itself,
that came out of him was that he said there was some sort of
that the index data showed that he was born as well. In trying
used to say that Maya had a certificate of live birth, but what
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radio about whether or not the president of the free world, the
than Hawaii. And I have to just say that we are facing critical
note for the record that we're having a debate about whether or
on July 1, 2013. Now, you tell me what objection that you have
and with each state in which they choose to run, and those forms
matter.
there – it has never been and is not now a body that is tasked
If you know anything about the law, you know that that is true.
MS. SINEMA: Well, Mr. Hatfield, with all due respect, I'm
about that?
MS. SINEMA: Oh, you are? I'm sorry, I was not aware that
us, every single one of us, would do our state and our country
working to solve the very real problems that we face every day
be president. We don't.
MR. HATFIELD: Senator, I respect your opinion, and I
that we have the freedom to have our own opinions and to work to
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extras, but I really have enjoyed the debate, and appreciate you
having me on.
RC: Oh, you're welcome back any time, and you do have some
supporters over there in the chat room that goes with the show.
It's quite lively, and there are few – I have a fellow who's in
there every week, you know, on the other side of the spectrum,
and I only kicked him out once, because I got a little miffed at
him one night, but I let him have his say every week, and we
important that, you know, even though that you and I may
listeners.
in. I've told people before, you know, despite what I've said,
The two big ones I still see specifically with the bill are
the privacy issues for making the records public, and I think
solve the two major problems still as I see them with the bill.
talking about earlier and then other people joined and we got
voted for Mike Jacobs every time since I've lived here.
LC: Exactly, sir, and you may recall it was a little more
than two years ago when the – it turned out that the Democrat
who was running here against Mike somewhat at the last minute
found out that he was not eligible, Keith Gross. Did you recall
that?
issue. It turned out that Mr. Gross did not meet the residency
years before that, Max Barber got tossed off a Public Service
Appeals for one of the judges, who didn't meet the bar
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MR. HATFIELD: I certainly wouldn't have any problem with
meet a higher standard and to make sure that you are – satisfy
at all.
LC: Yes, and I think that's one of the ways that the bill
passing a bill that has more than one subject matter, and I fear
birth certificate if anyone wants to see it, and be glad to, but
I won't have any problem with that, and I think that it's not
Georgia.
some other states – oh, that was the other thing I was going to
it's that we're letting too few. You know, Georgia has, quite
LC: Yes, and thank you for that. I hope you resubmit such
surviving a challenge.
MR. HATFIELD: Well, I think that – you know, I'm not going
people to get cold feet over it, certainly not me, but you know,
think you have some good suggestions and I think that you're
future.
four other callers who have their hands raised and would love to
review of the bills that are coming up for tomorrow to do, and