@ColinTGraham Hello everyone, welcome to today's #mathchat

Mon, 18 Apr 2011 19:33:29 +0000 - tweet id 60063419939823616 - #6

@ColinTGraham If it's your first time, don't try to follow everything, just interact with one
or two people, and don't forget the hashtag ---> #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 19:34:37 +0000 - tweet id 60063702350704640 - #7

@ColinTGraham Today's
day's topic is: "How do I introduce, or increase the amount of,
investigative work? " #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 19:35:13 +0000 - tweet id 60063853282738176 - #8

@7puzzle What's the subject today? #mathchat

Mon, 18 Apr 2011 19:35:57 +0000 - tweet id 60064040466128897 - #9

@ColinTGraham @7puzzle Just tweeted it Paul! "How do I introduce, or increase the

amount of, investigative work?" #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 19:36:33 +0000 - tweet id 60064189191954432 - #10

@ColinTGraham Last time, we got a bit hung up on the meaning of investigations, so let's
keep it focused on 'open-ended'
ended' explorations this time #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 19:38:12 +0000 - tweet id 60064604860071936 - #11

@ColinTGraham So, who wants to kick off this time? Introducing investigations: when,
what age, what topics? #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 19:39:36 +0000 - tweet id 60064956816703489 - #12

@bucharesttutor @ColinTGraham can you pls explain a lil more as to what do you mean
by investigative work? #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 19:40:38 +0000 - tweet id 60065217891151872 - #13

@ColinTGraham @bucharesttutor In a secondary context here, it is how examined

coursework is usually done. #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 19:41:20 +0000 - tweet id 60065395398291457 - #15

@ColinTGraham @bucharesttutor For example, Ss are given a sequence, 1, 2, 3, 6, and

expand it/"find the rule"/explain the pattern etc. #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 19:42:17 +0000 - tweet id 60065630925238272 - #16

@ColinTGraham @bucharesttutor Another example would be the open box problem...

find the box with the largest volume from a given sheet of paper #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 19:43:06 +0000 - tweet id 60065837071077376 - #17

@bucharesttutor @ColinTGraham I would definitely like to start teaching S's with the
number
mber system and its properties #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 19:43:49 +0000 - tweet id 60066020202778624 - #18

#Mathchat -- Monday, 18th April 2011 How do I introduce, or increase the amount of, investigative work? (2)
 @ColinTGraham @bucharesttutor Puzzles are another example, but they often have a
'clear' /closed answer unless you find ways to extend #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 19:44:22 +0000 - tweet id 60066159227179008 - #19

@bucharesttutor @ColinTGraham so are we trying

trying to find the priorities in
#matheducation
education and try n improve upon the #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 19:45:06 +0000 - tweet id 60066342207893504 - #20

@ColinTGraham @bucharesttutor The main challenge with investigative work is deciding

how much
ch leading or guidance you provide for the task #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 19:45:55 +0000 - tweet id 60066548269842432 - #21

@suburbanlion I'm a big fan of investigative work. We need more science in math.
Problem is getting students motivated enough to investigate. #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 19:46:21 +0000 - tweet id 60066657191727104 - #22

@ColinTGraham @suburbanlion
urbanlion Are you saying that by undergrad level it's almost too
late to begin, Ryan? #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 19:47:01 +0000 - tweet id 60066824959696896 - #23

@matthen2 @ColinTGraham @bucharesttutor The #mathchat is thinking of ways to

increase the amount of working required in exam questions, correct?
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 19:47:03 +0000 - tweet id 60066833272807424 - #24

@bucharesttutor @ColinTGraham aha ok I get it. So we try n solve a "jigsaw" puzzle

together leading them into new ones subsequently #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 19:47:53 +0000 - tweet id 60067042950250497 - #25

@ColinTGraham @matthen2 Not so much that, Matt. It's more about

encouraging/developing a mathematical approach to exploring a problem #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 19:48:26 +0000 - tweet id 60067181731397632 - #26

@bucharesttutor @matthen2 @ColinTGraham tears whr I feel the IB curriculum is robust

as it tests the S's beyond it n makes em apply it further #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 19:49:34 +0000 - tweet id 60067464171626496 - #27

@ColinTGraham @bucharesttutor
haresttutor Yes, and ideally some students can handle 1,000
pieces whereas others are happy with 200... in same puzzle #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 19:50:01 +0000 - tweet id 60067580739727360
600675807397 - #28

@missradders @ColinTGraham Give more guidance start of yr then gradually reduce.

Set success criteria that are skills
ills rather than outcome based #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 19:50:03 +0000 - tweet id 60067586192326656 - #29

@bucharesttutor @matthen2 @ColinTGraham thats whr I feel the IB curriculum is robust

as it tests the S's beyond it n makes em apply it further #mathchat
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Mon, 18 Apr 2011 19:50:23 +0000 - tweet id 60067670476865536 - #30

@ColinTGraham @missradders What age

age are you dealing with here, or is it a general
approach for you? #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 19:50:50 +0000 - tweet id 60067786591973377 - #31

@suburbanlion @ColinTGraham I don't think its too late to begin, but its tough
sometimes. Too often hear "just tell me how to get the answer". #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 19:51:17 +0000 - tweet id 60067897178992640 - #32

@matthen2 @ColinTGraham What's a non-mathematical

non mathematical approach? And does it matter
as long as the approach works? #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 19:51:31 +0000 - tweet id 60067955291066368 - #33

@ColinTGraham @bucharesttutor The Internatl Bacc is designed to be more cross-

cross
curricular though, so in that sense 'investigations'
'invest are a given #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 19:51:58 +0000 - tweet id 60068068658909184 - #34

@bucharesttutor @missradders @ColinTGraham I agree Hannah but won't students

complain that we are not teaching them everything in detail #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 19:52:02 +0000 - tweet id 60068087768154113 - #35

@ColinTGraham @matthen2 Non-mathematical

Non approach might be to 'guess' the pattern
but not be able to justify/explain it, for example. #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 19:53:05 +0000 - tweet id 60068352797839360 - #36

@bucharesttutor @ColinTGraham you are right but we need good teachers anyways to
keep feeding the right amt of stuff to their S's when in class #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 19:54:03 +0000 - tweet id 60068592678486016 - #37

@ColinTGraham @matthen2 Applying algorithms/methods which were

inappropriate/ineffective, without Ss evaluating them. Calculating w/out purpose#mathchat
purpose
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 19:54:56 +0000 - tweet id 60068815391834112 - #38

@ColinTGraham RT @missradders: @ColinTGraham 11-18.

11 18. Obv get new classes
clas each
yr so they need training ;) #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 19:55:52 +0000 - tweet id 60069051992506368 - #39

@vikkiiom @bucharesttutor it may not be good teachers needed but confident teachers
#mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 19:55:59 +0000 - tweet id 60069081663021056 - #40

@bucharesttutor @suburbanlion @ColinTGraham I personally tell my S's there r more

than 1 way to solve a prob, go find the others challenging em , #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 19:56:19 +0000 - tweet id 60069163418398720 - #41

#Mathchat -- Monday, 18th April 2011 How do I introduce, or increase the amount of, investigative work? (2)
 @ColinTGraham Is failure more likely as a perceived outcome? RT @missradders:
Needs starting in primary tho. Pupils are too scared to "fail." #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 19:56:42 +0000 - tweet id 60069262634659841 - #42

@ColinTGraham @missradders For example, if an investigation has no 'clear' answer, do

Ss need to learn other criteria of success? #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 19:57:29 +0000 - tweet id 60069459817283584
60069459 - #43

@bucharesttutor @vikkiiom yes confident teachers for sure but good teachers in
teaching the right n the perfect
ct way #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 19:58:00 +0000 - tweet id 60069589228322816 - #44

@vikkiiom @bucharesttutor but surely the whole point about investigations is that there is
no "right" way? #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 19:59:03 +0000 - tweet
eet id 60069852836143104 - #45

@ColinTGraham @suburbanlion How much do you 'teach' investigative approaches so

that you can use
se investigations in your course? If at all... #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 19:59:41 +0000 - tweet id 60070009644396544 - #46

@bucharesttutor @ColinTGraham @missradders I always encourage S's to think in all

tangible ways to solve a prob n invariably there is a winner #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 19:59:46 +0000 - tweet id 60070032188768256 - #47

@suburbanlion @bucharesttutor
haresttutor @ColinTGraham I agree. The emphasis shouldn't be on
any 1 method, but rather "why?". Thus,"investigative work". #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:00:14 +0000 - tweet id 60070151818723329
6007015 - #48

@bucharesttutor @vikkiiom that's correct or as I prefer to look at it, there are many right
ways. I give em one, can you find the others #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:01:37 +0000 - tweet id 60070498150793217 - #49

@ColinTGraham @bucharesttutor The approach of "all tangible ways" is one way. It can
be like the blind leading the blind though = frustration #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:02:34 +0000 - tweet id 60070737192550401 - #50

@ColinTGraham RT @missradders: At first first pupils need more guidance on what

constitutes"logical thinking" & so I structure it more at start of yr. #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:03:13 +0000 - tweet id 60070901084995584 - #51

@bucharesttutor @suburbanlion @ColinTGraham yes precisely give them leads but tell
them to follow their own trails n instincts
instinc to tackle the prob #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:03:27 +0000 - tweet id 60070958869913601 - #52

@ColinTGraham @missradders Is there an age when Ss 'get' investigations or do you

find it needs constant effort throughout secondary levels? #mathchat
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Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:04:07 +0000 - tweet id 60071126495268865 - #53

@vikkiiom @ColinTGraham What do you mean by more

more "structure"? I like investigations
with top sets as they go with it. #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:05:46 +0000 - tweet id 60071541915914240 - #54

@vikkiiom @ColinTGraham I struggle with investigations with less confident/able

students as I struggle with what amount of support to give #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:06:45 +0000 - tweet id 60071791040806912 - #55

@ColinTGraham @vikkiiom "Structure" was Hannah's (@missradders) word, I was just

retweeting with the hashtag! #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:08:07 +0000 - tweet id 60072132486504448 - #56

@bucharesttutor @vikkiiom @ColinTGraham rather suggest, give prob of the same type
like n no.of times n then ask the same
ame S if he has alternatives #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:08:40 +0000 - tweet id 60072272211349504 - #57

@suburbanlion @ColinTGraham good question. I try to show different examples (bottom-

(bottom
up, top-down)
down) but maybe more explicit instruction is needed #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:08:49 +0000 - tweet id 60072311033835520 - #58

@missradders @ColinTGraham Needs consistency

consistency throughout the KS (Inc 1&2) . I would
say it's harder with lower ability. Fear of maths higher #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:10:13 +0000 - tweet id 60072664332648448 - #59

@ColinTGraham @suburbanlion explicit instruction in how investigations should be

approached, you mean (I hope!)... #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:11:58 +0000 - tweet id 60073103946035200 - #61

@suburbanlion @ColinTGraham yes, of course =) #mathchat

Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:12:30 +0000 - tweet id 60073238239256576 - #62

@ColinTGraham @missradders Do you think the self-confidence

self confidence issues are compounded
when
en other Ss in year group are going further in their task? #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:13:12 +0000 - tweet id 60073412076384256 - #63

@ColinTGraham @vikkiiom How do you decide when/how to help? Obviously it's hands-
hands
off when the work is part of the final exam... ;-)
; #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:14:35 +0000 - tweet id 60073760631431168 - #64

@missradders @ColinTGraham
inTGraham Not if you make the outcome seem unimportant and
stress the skills. Lower sets struggle to "find" the maths to use #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:16:32 +0000 - tweet id 60074250542907392
600742 - #65

@ColinTGraham What advice or suggestions would you give to someone who is having
problems with successfully introducing investigations? #mathchat
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Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:16:42 +0000 - tweet id 60074293563891712 - #66

@bucharesttutor @suburbanlion @ColinTGraham so how far does the teacher take the
horse to the river but nt close enough to make it drink the water #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:17:15 +0000 - tweet id 60074432923832320 - #67

@mramidon @ColinTGraham Introducing

Introducing to who? Teachers? Parents? Their students?
#mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:17:27 +0000 - tweet id 60074480822792192 - #68

@ColinTGraham @missradders This comes back to when I responded to @matthen2

earlier... 'finding' the maths isn't 'mathematical' thinking #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:18:55 +0000 - tweet id 60074852408754176 - #69

@vikkiiom @ColinTGraham No investigative work is formally examined. Top sets

generally work collaboratively/ help each other out. #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:19:07 +0000 - tweet id 60074903411494912 - #70

@reflectivemaths #mathchat Sorry to join late. My school

ol is going mixed ability yr7 and
taught mostly through investigations nxt yr
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:19:08 +0000 - tweet id 60074906188136448 - #71

@vikkiiom @ColinTGraham Lower sets, it often become guided learning with a lot of
open question/answers #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:19:38 +0000 - tweet id 60075032067579904
6007503 - #72

@missradders @ColinTGraham Start small. Use some of the shorter @nrichmaths

activities as starters or plenaries.
ies. Reward gd skills not outcome #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:19:45 +0000 - tweet id 60075063705214976 - #73

@ColinTGraham @mramidon Introducing it as a method within the class, so primarily

introducing it to your students... but teachers need help too! #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:19:51 +0000 - tweet id 60075087793102848 - #74

@suburbanlion @bucharesttutor @ColinTGraham to quote Morpheus: "I can only show

you the door. You're the one that has to walk through it." #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:19:55 +0000 - tweet id 60075103077150720 - #75

@reflectivemaths #mathchat We believe that maths should

hould be more about learning a
flexible approach. Why is anyone *scared* of maths?
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:20:46 +0000 - tweet id 60075318467239936 - #76

@ColinTGraham @reflectivemaths I've experienced mini-investigation

mini investigation approaches in
Yr7/8, but then the GCSE coursework looms... #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:21:05 +0000 - tweet id 60075397265637376 - #77

#Mathchat -- Monday, 18th April 2011 How do I introduce, or increase the amount of, investigative work? (2)
 @missradders @ColinTGraham No but they can't show that they can think
mathematically
lly if they don't possess the mathematical knowledge too? #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:21:18 +0000 - tweet id 60075451409907713 - #78

@dlziegler "investigations" aren't in place of coursework, they are the coursework.

#mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:22:17 +0000 - tweet id 60075699666558976 - #79

@ColinTGraham @suburbanlion Or there's a wall over there and a way through it, but
you have to find it... #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:22:23 +0000 - tweet id 60075723775418368 - #80

@bucharesttutor @reflectivemaths I don't think that any S is "scared" of Math, they just
don't know the usefulness. Making em aware is our duty #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:22:32 +0000 - tweet id 60075763034099712 - #81

@reflectivemaths #mathchat I think it's important to have easy access tasks. 1089 and
square of area 10 are good for eg
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:22:50 +0000 - tweet id 60075837386534912 - #82

@ColinTGraham @dlziegler That depends which particular education system you are
working within, though! ;-) #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:23:32 +0000 - tweet id 60076014360985600 - #83

@vikkiiom @reflectivemaths
ectivemaths 1089? What is that? (Or am I being dense?!) #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:24:01 +0000 - tweet id 60076135081447424 - #84

@missradders @bucharesttutor @reflectivemaths I disagree. They are scared of failure.

To some maths is right and wrong. Ticks and crosses. #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:24:06 +0000 - tweet id 60076156313014272 - #85

@ColinTGraham @missradders Sometimes (often) we don't encourage use of 'low-level'

'low
vocabulary when Ss are explaining/communicating thoughts #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:24:26 +0000 - tweet id 60076239087607808
6007 - #86

@suburbanlion RT @missradders: @bucharesttutor @reflectivemaths I disagree. They

are scared of failure. To
o some maths is right and wrong. Ticks and crosses.#mathchat
crosses.
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:24:47 +0000 - tweet id 60076328405303296 - #87

@reflectivemaths @missradders @bucharesttutor I think to most ppl maths is right/wrong.

They are wrong about that though #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:25:55 +0000 - tweet id 60076614796574721 - #88

@missradders @reflectivemaths @bucharesttutor

@bucharesttutor I agree and it's our job (+ primary) to
instill that into maths teaching. #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:27:04 +0000 - tweet id 60076902785880064 - #89

#Mathchat -- Monday, 18th April 2011 How do I introduce, or increase the amount of, investigative work? (2)
 @reflectivemaths @vikkiiom Not dense! Pick 3digit no. Reverse and subtract. Reverse
that. Add last two nos together #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:27:34 +0000 - tweet id 60077030636658688 - #90

@ColinTGraham I feel there is also still a great confusion in many peoples' minds
between: maths/arithmetic, maths/algorithms, maths/calculating #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:27:34 +0000 - tweet
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@bucharesttutor @missradders @reflectivemaths yes true, installing in them the right

Math guarded
ed with the right approach n attitude #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:28:12 +0000 - tweet id 60077188619304960 - #92

@reflectivemaths @ColinTGraham absolutely. Maths does not equal sums.

sums #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:28:25 +0000 - tweet id 60077243677941760 - #93

@suburbanlion @missradders perhaps its not that they're scared of failure, but they feel
like its out of their control? #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:28:27 +0000 - tweet id 60077251487731713 - #94

@ColinTGraham Hashtag people! or do I have to retweet you... ;-)

; ) #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:29:07 +0000 - tweet id 60077419310235648 - #95

@bucharesttutor RT @ColinTGraham: Hashtag people! or do I have to retweet you... ;-)

;
#mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:30:15 +0000 - tweet id 60077703189106690 - #96

@missradders @suburbanlion
uburbanlion I don't think they're used to 'openess' in Maths. They grow
up thinking there's an ans. You get to it. You stop. #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:30:18 +0000 - tweet id 60077717760126976
600777 - #97

@ColinTGraham Does anyone use "think-aloud"

"think aloud" as a teaching approach? @jamestanton
does on his excellent videos...
os... that to me is a starting point #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:30:38 +0000 - tweet id 60077800161423360 - #98

@reflectivemaths @missradders @bucharesttutor If I hear one more granny say 'Well I

always struggled with maths dear'... #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:30:42 +0000 - tweet id 60077818922545152 - #99

@mramidon RT @ColinTGraham: Hashtag people! or do I have to retweet you... ;-)

;
#mathchat <-- Thought I retweet that tweet :-)
:
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:30:47 +0000 - tweet id 60077838530916353 - #100

@dlziegler @missradders so it's no wonder it is a paradigm shift for teachers when we

talk about 'openess' in Math. #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:31:20 +0000 - tweet id 60077977584668672 - #101

#Mathchat -- Monday, 18th April 2011 How do I introduce, or increase the amount of, investigative work? (2)
 @reflectivemaths @ColinTGraham
@ColinTGraham Yes. I use a visualiser to do the same investigation
alongside if it's one I've not done b4 #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:31:42 +0000 - tweet id 60078067674124289 - #102

@ColinTGraham RT @mramidon: What has worked 4 me & my new 6th grds is learn
from their previous tchrs what they like, find math in it...
it #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:31:43 +0000 - tweet id 60078073760059392 - #103

@bucharesttutor @missradders @suburbanlion maybe you can always inspire them by

Math is easy after all #mathchat,, some inspiration could help
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:32:01 +0000 - tweet id 60078149660180481 - #104

@reflectivemaths #mathchat I'd encourage your faculties to write up their own

investigation the way you expect students to. v interesting
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:32:56 +0000 - tweet id 60078377893236736 - #105

@missradders @reflectivemaths I hate that! Parents: I was never any gd at Maths. Do

they tell the Eng teachers they could never read?! #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:33:03 +0000 - tweet id 60078410424262656 - #106

@mramidon @ColinTGraham
linTGraham #mathchat I use "think a-loud"
loud" quite a bit. A couple times a
week, I'd say. Some stus need the guidance.
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:33:16 +0000 - tweet id 60078461959680001 - #107

@reflectivemaths @Vickster027 I'm not taking all the blame for that! I try hard to
empasise creativity #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:33:53 +0000 - tweet id 60078619803914241 - #108

@Vickster027 @reflectivemaths @missradders @bucharesttutor It right.There needs to

be an ethos of it's ok to be wrong and learn from mistakes #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:33:55 +0000 - tweet id 60078628741971968 - #109

@mramidon 1 other option is 2 have a STUDENT do the think aloud. Sometimes I'll
quietlyy prep the student the day before 2 help w/confidence. #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:34:40 +0000 - tweet id 60078814910353408 - #110

@ColinTGraham I haven't had the chance to do so yet, but I think getting students to
record a 'think-aloud'
aloud' as they work would be v useful #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:34:50 +0000 - tweet id 60078856358465537 - #111

@chris_1974 @reflectivemaths arithmogons good too. Accesible. #mathchat

Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:35:03 +0000 - tweet id 60078913275179008 - #112

@missradders @dlziegler No but it's a necessary shift. If you get your whole dept on
board it's much easier as you can all supp each other #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:36:01 +0000 - tweet id 60079154590265345 - #113

#Mathchat -- Monday, 18th April 2011 How do I introduce, or increase the amount of, investigative work? (2)
 @ColinTGraham I always
lways introduce pi using an investigation or two or three, often based
on history too... #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:36:02 +0000 - tweet id 60079158226718721 - #114

@Vickster027 @missradders @reflectivemaths Thats getting more and more common.

People say they can't do it before they have even started #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:36:15 +0000 - tweet id 60079215910981632 - #115

@reflectivemaths @missradders Student investigating 'I've finished'. Me: 'I doubt it

somehow. What if you changed...' #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:36:24 +0000 - tweet
eet id 60079252669874177 - #116

@emlanis #mathchat? It's

t's my pleasure to follow a mathematician especially if your a
genius lol
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:36:34 +0000 - tweet id 60079292922597376 - #117

@Janshs @ColinTGraham - enter the learning journal! I get stdts to write in margin &/or
come up & write on IWB whilst working on problems #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:36:46 +0000 - tweet id 60079343602376705 - #118

@mramidon @ColinTGraham Love the idea of recording the think aloud! Great idea.
id
Audio only? Doc Cam for video & Pencil/Paper? #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:37:03 +0000 - tweet id 60079414003769345 - #119

@Janshs sorry chipped into #mathchat w/out knowing topic - typical of me

Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:37:30 +0000 - tweet
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@ColinTGraham @mramidon If students are working on a PC, use the webcam to

capture thinking/do
o a screencast... #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:37:58 +0000 - tweet id 60079647370649600 - #121

@bucharesttutor I always use a pizza to illustrate fraction problems then I ask the S to
add/subtract as per the remaining parts #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:38:06 +0000 - tweet id 60079678152646656 - #122

@dlziegler Have to go but thanks for the great conversation.

conversation #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:38:36 +0000 - tweet id 60079806485762048 - #123

@mramidon @ColinTGraham Like it. I've had stus create Keynote/Powerpoints but have
not recorded. Will start that. Thanks #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:39:01 +0000 - tweet id 60079911343370241 - #124

@reflectivemaths #mathchat I like to encourage the use of 'conjecture'. That way, you're
openly saying 'I don't know if this is true.'
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:39:09 +0000 - tweet id 60079943618543616 - #125

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 @ColinTGraham @dlziegler Thanks for dropping in Debbie. #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:39:09 +0000 - tweet id 60079943232651265
60079943 - #126

@Vickster027 @reflectivemaths yeah creativity in numeracy is important. We had a toy

shop for 2 weeks & the kids loved it & learnt loads #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:39:26 +0000 - tweet id 60080016507158528 - #127

@bucharesttutor @dlziegler bye Debbie :) #mathchat

Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:39:34 +0000 - tweet id 60080048887177216 - #128

@suburbanlion I'm reminded of this @republicofmath article about "cognitive theft"

http://bit.ly/eJKPO7 #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:39:45 +0000 - tweet id 60080094152110080 - #129

@mramidon @reflectivemaths Great idea on conjecture. My favorite line is "I don't know,
let's figure it out." #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:39:54 +0000 - tweet id 60080132462878720 - #130

@chris_1974 #mathchat RT @chris_1974 @Janshs learning journals are spreading

slowly. Commenting and meta commenting on work.
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:40:28 +0000 - tweet id 60080273773178880 - #131

@Janshs @chris_1974 do you think they work w/ Maths best or even only
(LJs)?#mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:40:29 +0000 - tweett id 60080281381646336 - #132

@ColinTGraham @reflectivemaths eg. measure angles in triangles, add them together,

then say: "What
hat if we draw them on a ball...?" #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:40:46 +0000 - tweet id 60080350868668416 - #133

@ColinTGraham @bucharesttutor Argh! Pizza! What's wrong with cake... ;-P

; #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:41:27 +0000 - tweet id 60080521690087424 - #134

@suburbanlion Do we let Ss investigate indefinitely? or do we eventually step in and

"show them how"? #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:41:30 +0000 - tweet id 60080535107674112 - #135

@DIJASoftware I find using math in real life situations is the best way, like setting up a
shop etc #mathchat http://itunes.com/apps/monkeymaths
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:41:34 +0000 - tweet id 60080552312717313 - #136

@chris_1974 @Janshs don't know, as only use for maths. Many students seem reluctant.
#mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:41:54 +0000 - tweet id 60080637821992960 - #137

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 @SofARMaths @ColinTGraham #mathchat @SofarMaths "Think-aloud"
"Think - exactly what I
do when tutoring - at any level. #mathsage
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:42:31 +0000 - tweet id 60080790045851648 - #138

@bucharesttutor @ColinTGraham lol I use a pizza cos I am not too much of a sweet
eater #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:42:45 +0000 - tweet id 60080849080684544 - #139

@ColinTGraham @suburbanlion That's the keypoint. If you're researching at doctoral

level,
el, it's not the same as finding formula for sum of n odds #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:43:12 +0000 - tweet id 60080961408352256 - #140

@Vickster027 @stephenjpeacock @reflectivemaths @missradders @bucharesttutor I

agree. We have steps to success which they refer to. #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:43:30 +0000 - tweet id 60081037853720576 - #141

@stephenjpeacock @Vickster027 @reflectivemaths @missradders @bucharesttutor.

Need to focus on preocedure rather than answer #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:44:04 +0000 - tweet id 60081180049018880 - #142

@chris_1974 RT @ColinTGraham @reflectivemaths eg measure angles in triangles, add

them together, then say "What if we draw them on a ball...?" #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:44:10 +0000 - tweet id 60081206351499264 - #143

@bucharesttutor @suburbanlion would tell em that there exists a way to go about it n

then give em a certain time to try. If NO give em the answer #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:44:39 +0000 - tweet id 60081326434435073 - #144

@ColinTGraham @chris_1974 @Janshs Increased

Increased requirement of revised curriculum
towards communicating findings may help up the use of LJs though #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:45:02 +0000 - tweet id 60081424077819904 - #145

@Janshs anyone else used Learning Journals w/ stdts? #mathchat

hchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:45:10 +0000 - tweet id 60081459607764992 - #146

@Vickster027 @stephenjpeacock @reflectivemaths @missradders

@missradders @bucharesttutor If
answer is wrong they refer to STS to check which step was wrong #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:45:27 +0000 - tweet id 60081529241612288 - #147

@Janshs RT @ColinTGraham Increased requirement of revised curriculum towards

communicating findings may help up the use of LJs though #mathchat >yup
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:46:27 +0000 - tweet id 60081780501389312 - #148

@missradders @suburbanlion Think you have to step in at certain points. They can't
learn inv tech w-out
out demo of "how" to think mathematically #mathchat
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Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:46:49 +0000 - tweet id 60081872633475072 - #149

@bucharesttutor @stephenjpeacock @Vickster027 @reflectivemaths @missradders

@
procedures leading em to think about it n finally working the problems #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:46:58 +0000 - tweet id 60081911229452289 - #150

@ColinTGraham Is one of the 'overlooked' factors of investigations the idea of Ss

comparing work with the approach of others to the same task? #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:47:02 +0000 - tweet id 60081928325447681 - #151

@Janshs @chris_1974 coming back to the reluctant thing (reflection, LJs): I cannot help
thinking if was across curric this would be better #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:48:28 +0000 - tweet id 60082289413062656 - #152

@ColinTGraham As @stephenjpeacock says procedural approach should be focused

focu on,
but we also need to communicate findings successfully too. #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:48:41 +0000 - tweet id 60082341346947072 - #153

@missradders @ColinTGraham If working in grps shouldn't see others? Value diff

approaches - discuss and get pupils to explain their thinking #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:48:43 +0000 - tweet id 60082352596058112 - #154

@Janshs RT @ColinTGraham: Is one of the 'overlooked' factors of investigations the idea

of Ss comparing work with the approach of others to the same task? #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:49:16 +0000 - tweet id 60082488567021568 - #155

@ColinTGraham @missradders If there is a group working individually on same

sam task,
they will probably share, but do groups share w/ other groups? #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:50:10 +0000 - tweet id 60082717378887680 - #156

@bucharesttutor Ok people, got to go as another long day awaits me tomorrow

#mathchat. Thanks
anks a lot @ColinTGraham for a great effort
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:50:56 +0000 - tweet id 60082910656598016 - #157

@ColinTGraham @bucharesttutor Thanks for your contributions too, Vijay! #mathchat

Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:51:21 +0000 - tweet id 60083012301361152 - #158

@busynessgirl RT @suburbanlion: I'm reminded of this @republicofmath article about

"cognitive theft" http://bit.ly/eJKPO7 #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:51:23 +0000 - tweet id 60083021839212544 - #159

@mramidon @bucharesttutor @ColinTGraham Good bye all!! Off to my daughter's

soccer practice. #mathchat Thanks to you all!! Have a great day.
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:51:51 +0000 - tweet id 60083141259436032 - #160

@EarlSamuelson @ColinTGraham Hi Colin. I always "think aloud" when

explaining#mathchat Modeling thought patterns is still an effective approach
#Mathchat -- Monday, 18th April 2011 How do I introduce, or increase the amount of, investigative work? (2)
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:51:53 +0000 - tweet id 60083146955296768 - #161

@ColinTGraham In the last 10 minutes or so, what do you see as the main challenges to
introducing or increasing investigation in the classroom? #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:52:08 +0000 - tweet id 60083209639182336 - #162

@Vickster027 @PeacockMaths Its helpful for children to pinpoint where they go wrong
and helps them correct there mistakes. #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:52:22 +0000 - tweet id 60083270758572033
600832707585 - #163

@missradders @ColinTGraham It's important to at some point be that as a plenary or at

the start of a 2nd lesson. Get one pupil to switch grps? #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:53:03 +0000 - tweet id 60083442116853760 - #164

@PeacockMaths @ColinTGraham absolutely, maths talk is vital. #mathchat

Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:53:23 +0000 - tweet id 60083527173160960
60083527173160 - #165

@Janshs also re #mathchat ? RT @cyndidannerkuhn rkuhn Cyndi Danner-Kuhn

Danner How is
technology affecting student literacy? http://goo.gl/fb/2SwF9
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:53:34 +0000 - tweet id 60083570294788096 - #166

@mramidon @ColinTGraham Over coming the habits of the students. Getting the
students to embrace the challenge.. Some just WANT THE ANSWER. #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:53:49 +0000 - tweet id 60083635096788992 - #167

@missradders Have to go. Thanks @ColinTGraham and everyone else. V interesting :)

#mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:54:17 +0000 - tweet id 60083751316754432 - #168

@ColinTGraham @missradders Agreed. It can be easy to focus too much on the process
of the investigation and forget to have Ss evaluate outcomes #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:54:19 +0000 - tweet id 60083760007356416 - #169

@busynessgirl #mathchat My dissertation research says the biggest hurdle to inquiry

learning is to much content, too little time.
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:54:35 +0000 - tweet id 60083828928167936 - #170

@Janshs #mathchat RT @WeAreTeachers

@WeAreTeachers Read about how our winning teachers make
math real for their students. http://ht.ly/4Bmh1
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:54:39 +0000 - tweet id 60083844266733568 - #171

@ColinTGraham @missradders Thanks for joining us Hannah! #mathchat

Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:54:58 +0000 - tweet id 60083923253866496 - #172

@Vickster027 @PeacockMaths when you have maths talk. Do you have it in ability or
mixabilty pairs/groups? #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:55:32 +0000 - tweet id 60084066824888320 - #173

#Mathchat -- Monday, 18th April 2011 How do I introduce, or increase the amount of, investigative work? (2)
 @ColinTGraham @busynessgirl So how do you determine content? Should students
bring in their own questions or should it be teacher directed? #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:55:45 +0000 - tweet id 60084121946423296 - #174

@ColinTGraham @earlsamuelson One other thing,thing, forgotten by many, is not all people
approach the same task the same way, so you validate thinking #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:59:04 +0000 - tweet id 60084956155752448 - #175

@NancyWhite RT @busynessgirl: #mathchat My dissertation research says the biggest

hurdle to inquiry learning is to much content, too little time.
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:59:17 +0000 - tweet id 60085012153901056 - #176

@ColinTGraham But they can control delivery? RT @busynessgirl: Very few math
teachers at public institutions have control over content. #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:59:46 +0000 - tweet id 60085131288915968 - #177

@Janshs RT @ColinTGraham "what do you see as the main challenges

challeng to introducing or
increasing investigation in the classroom?" > tests?? #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 21:00:12 +0000 - tweet id 60085239166402560 - #178

@ColinTGraham Well, that's it for another day, people! As usual just as many questions
as answers...! Thanks for your contributions. #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 21:01:52 +0000 - tweet id 60085662250041344 - #179

@SofARMaths @ColinTGraham #mathchat.. Investigations begin with your own

experience? I want to know... When I was ... I don't know the answer but ...
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 21:02:17 +0000 - tweet id 60085764511375360 - #180

@EarlSamuelson @ColinTGraham …cont) meaningful strategies......goes into their

"toolbox" #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 21:03:39 +0000 - tweet id 60086111459999744 - #181

@ColinTGraham Nice to see some more new people this time... remember to follow
@mathchat to keep updated on changes/topics etc. #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 21:03:39 +0000 - tweet id 60086110734393344 - #182

@EarlSamuelson @ColinTGraham #mathchat I agree.....many of my students want that

modeling approach initially; they use that to develop their own (cont…
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 21:03:40 +0000 - tweet id 60086115100667904 - #183

@elmibester RT @busynessgirl: #mathchat My dissertation research says the biggest

hurdle to inquiry
iry learning is to much content, too little time.
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 21:03:41 +0000 - tweet id 60086115897573376 - #184

#Mathchat -- Monday, 18th April 2011 How do I introduce, or increase the amount of, investigative work? (2)
 @reflectivemaths #mathchat Have your teachers write a proof of the 1089 problem then
use different approaches as a teaching tool
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 21:03:53 +0000 - tweet id 60086166275362816 - #185

@Janshs @ColinTGraham thanks Colin, sorry late as usual, was interesting though and
new folks to follow too #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 21:04:00 +0000 - tweet id 60086197095120896 - #186

@theother66 RT @Janshs: RT @ColinTGraham "what do you see as the main

challenges to introducing or increasing investigation in the classroom?" > tests??#mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 21:04:30 +0000 - tweet id 60086323675013120 - #187

@Janshs RT @reflectivemaths #mathchat Have your teachers write a proof of the 1089
problem then use different approaches as a teaching tool >> or ..
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 21:05:09 +0000 - tweet id 60086488741842945 - #188

@SofARMaths @ColinTGraham #mathchat. Logical thinking. Any use comparing to

programming. If then else. Problem with if and only if ... Not much help?
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 21:05:10 +0000 - tweet id 60086489467465728 - #189

@reflectivemaths @Vickster027 could you post the STS somewhere pls? #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 21:06:28 +0000 - tweet id 60086817524948992 - #190

@Janshs #mathchat (@reflectivemaths ) I sometimes give 'solution' & get stdts to do

'working out' & cf each other; or a jigsaw with solution jumbled
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 21:06:30 +0000 - tweet id 60086828107186177 - #191

@Janshs #mathchat (@reflectivemaths ) I sometimes give 'solution' & get stdts to do

'working out' & cf each other; or a jigsaw with solution jumbled
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 21:06:30 +0000 - tweet id 60086827943600128 - #192

@SofARMaths @ColinTGraham #mathchat. Opportunity to relate logical thinking to

probability. Not good enough to be 99% sure for a proof - another link.
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 21:07:55 +0000 - tweet id 60087181401792512 - #193

@reflectivemaths @Janshs what sort of 'solution' would you give? #mathchat

Mon, 18 Apr 2011 21:08:09 +0000 - tweet id 60087240793137152 - #194

@Janshs @reflectivemaths just the 'answer' basically .... then they come up w/ 'how to'
(but this is just for 11 - 16 yo) #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 21:09:05 +0000 - tweet id 60087474797555713 - #195

@reflectivemaths @theother66 @colintgraham Jo Boaler says that investigational

teaching improves test results #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 21:09:35 +0000 - tweet id 60087601406816256 - #196
#Mathchat -- Monday, 18th April 2011 How do I introduce, or increase the amount of, investigative work? (2)
 @reflectivemaths @Janshs #mathchat So like the answer is 'John should pick the blue
one' what was the Q?
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 21:11:16 +0000 - tweet id 60088027296436224 - #197

@Janshs @reflectivemaths I agree w/ her (who wouldn't, she has gd evidence); my

limited stuff shows good LJ => meet or exceed prediction #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 21:12:28 +0000 - tweet id 60088327315013632 - #198

@Janshs @reflectivemaths occasionally

occasionally but more often like what is angle in this diag? 30
- explain why #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 21:13:33 +0000 - tweet id 60088601513426944 - #199

@Vickster027 @reflectivemaths steps to success is a process you go through with the

kids to make them successful. You do it with the kids #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 21:14:22 +0000 - tweet id 60088804727472128 - #200

@mathchat Don't forget the votes! #mathchat: http://bit.ly/c9KL7s #ukedchat

#edchat#scichat #elemchat #ntchat #gtchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 21:18:23 +0000 - tweet id 60089817949683712 - #201

@ColinTGraham @reflectivemaths I've always believed that. It's the same with EFL,
communicative work increases test scores, not teaching 2 test #mathchat
Mon, 18 Apr 2011 21:23:47 +0000 - tweet id 60091174614085632 - #202

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