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Isaiah and Jesus

Isaiah and Jesus

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Published by Walter Muller
Was Jesus the man predicted in Isaiah, was he the man or Messiah the Jewish Nation expected?
Was Jesus the man predicted in Isaiah, was he the man or Messiah the Jewish Nation expected?

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Published by: Walter Muller on May 28, 2011
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ISAIAH AND JESUS!
Previously we discussed Isaiah Chapter 9, and came to someconclusions, the previous title was Isaiah and the Prince of Peace, now it is Isaiah and Jesus; in the next paragraph you willread a conversation, which will shed some more light!Included here is a conversation regarding the name Jesus, andwhat it should or should not be, and mean, or should not mean.
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Statement:
 
The "Christ" is also linked to the Exodus myth whenPaul tells us that, as well as Jesus, Mosheh was also "God'sChrist" See Heb 11.
Answer:
 
Of interest is verse 3; “It is by faith that we understandthat the universe was created by God’s word, so that what can beseen was made out of what cannot be seen!”Verse 3 might seem insignificant, but today science is on the vergeof a break through, tests is currently being done wheremicroscopic matter (electrons) have been found to react to unseenstimulus and form different shapes still microscopic, but formingthem none the less, the how is still under investigation! What didPaul know, and who taught him this? According to the scriptural“evidence”, Jesus, or was he aware of this while still acting as theenemy?The balance of Hebrew Chapter 11 is a perfect example of whyJesus called his disciples “no more intelligent than the others”,here in Hebrews Paul carry on about the God of the OldTestament Even renaming him “Messiah”, in one of my books Ireferred to Paul as in need of treatment because he totally lost it insome places and in others he talked a different sense, no wonder the Torah excludes the New Testament. Or was he planted to savethe Israelites hides from Rome, remember Jesus called the OldTestament Father, a thief, murderer, and liar, it seems Paul got off the wrong train somewhere!
Statement:
 
The "Christ" which means "Anointed" is a Greek rendering of the Hebrew word Mashiach which was an ephithet for a leader and used of Jewish kings.
 
a. This title became an appellative later on.b. In Dan 9 and 26 its Hebrew character was retained in thetransliterated "Messiah" 
Answer:
The debate regarding the name is in my opinion notimportant here, he could just as well have been called Charles,and it could have meant anything, the issue is the actions this maninspired, and how it influenced what came after.
Statement:
 
 Although today the name "Jesus Christ" isinextricably linked to the Literalist figure of the supposed founder of Christianity in the first century C.E. the name would have beenheard as obviously symbolic meaning "The Saviour King" 
Answer 
:
Which he turned out not to be from the Jewishperspective, not as “Prince of Peace”, neither as the guy in IsaiahChapter 53 who was supposed to rise from the dead, marry, haveplenty children and live on to a ripe old age! Effectively the Jewsare still waiting for the other guy!
 
Statement:
 
Jewish Gnostics and Christian Gnostics after themunderstood Exodus to be an initiation allegory.
Answer:
 
The failed prophecy is to blame for this allegory
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Question:
 
Why did they not transliterate the word as was done inDan 9 and 26 as "Messiah" seeing that the Greeks had alsoaccepted their Greek transliteration of the word namely Messias inJohn 1 and 4? 
Answer:
 
Because of the failed prophecy, how could they supportsomething which would later come back to bite them, the tenseless rule in Hebrew scripture is proof of their “reasoning power”!
 
Above is a conversation I had with someone, the statements andquestion was his, the answers was mine. The real answer to theabove is not a short simple answer, but need some explanation.The failed prophecy needs to be discussed, and this discussiononce again involves Isaiah, only this time to clear some issues,issues the man in the street, you; need answers for. In Chapter 9Isaiah explained the names or titles and the success this Saviour would accomplish, in Chapter 53 a physical description follow but suddenly, this man is not so powerful anymore, and as you
 
have read in the previous explanation, similarities in the physical make up between Jesus and the predicted Immanuelwas discussed.We did point out that Jesus was not what was expected, but perhaps we need to give more detail. In Chapter 53 we read thatthis man will die, rise from the dead and live a long and prosperous life seeing his children grow up, and for his effortsreceive a place among “
 great men
”. In verse 10 we read this;
 And so he will see his descendants; he will live a long life
”.The King James Version states that he will share his spoils withthe great; quote verse 12, “
Therefore will I divide him a portionwith the great, and shall divide the spoil with the strong 
”. Twoquotes which do not make sense at all, Jesus did not rise fromthe dead, marry, had plenty descendants and lived a long life!!According to scripture he died, rise on the third day, paid acouple of visits, shocked a few people, “proved” Thomas wrongand according to the book John, permanently departed a week after his resurrection.During this week he did not stay with, or sleep over atanybody’s homes, it is stated nowhere that he did, from theabsence of inserts regarding this, we can assume that he justappeared for short periods of time and then disappeared, untilhis final disappearance when it is stated/presumed that he wentup to heaven. Secondly; Jesus did not rise and became friendswith great and powerful men, nor did he receive “spoils” fromanywhere or anyone, the word spoils as stated in Isaiah Chapter 53 reminds one of money or some form of payment, it could notmean a group of people or countries the other great and powerful did not want or was told to now share with him,
it might coming from the mouth of the Lord Almighty
, it is a real possibility, he held no human’s life in high esteem, and if welook at the history it might just have meant that.Jesus on the other hand had no real love of money, he didhowever saw those who understood what he was about as

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