Time is proving us right. Today everyone is aware of the need to overhaul the reform model builtafter
ranco. And the economic crisis has not only sharpened the need, but is now not only aneconomic crisis but a political crisis, a crisis of the territorial model, a crisis of the rule of law, of democracy ... This tells us that we are approaching a bottleneck that this second transition isindeed inevitable.
Does the State have the will to deal with this "second transition" in a democratic way?
It¶s not a problem of will, it is a problem of the balance of power. Did the State have the will for Bildu to participate in the elections? Obviously not, but it had articulated a correlation of forcesfavorable to legalization ...I think we should draw a lesson for the future from this fact and stated in terms of intellectualreflection. Block out all those who have opposed the legalization of Sortu or Bildu: PP, PSOEsectors, media, police unions ... they are the ones who are opposed to a real democratization of the Spanish State. And on the other side put all the sectors that have been in favor of legalization:sectors of the PSOE, PSC, PCE and IU, CiU, PNV, ERC, BNG, Izquierda Castellana, RedCurrent ... there are other sectors that are interested in the development of a genuine democratictransition in the state.
What do you think of the
The question to be asked is why it has arisen in this context. There is no doubt that the brutaleconomic crisis is at the origin, but the request and requirement (which we share absolutely) in areal democracy, that is participatory, popular and policy which is imposed on markets beyond aconjunctural response and requires a revision of the structural model of the transition.
The democratic process is a key concept behind the initiative of the nationalist left. Whatstage do you believe it is in?
We engaged in a unilateral phase, to the extent that the advances made are the result of our decisions and initiatives, and not the result of any agreement with the state. The objectives of thisfirst phase have been defined by the Declaration of Gernika: legalization and what we mightdefine as a phase of ³humanization´ of the conflict (sick prisoners, dispersion, special laws, etc.)as part of a unilateral, indefinite and verifiable ceasefire declared by ETA. We must continuedeveloping initiatives by adding forces and mobilizing around Gernika, towards a scenario of non-violence with guarantees and political normalization. And also go gradually involving theinternational community in resolving the conflict. Clearly we still have to keep adding initiativesfor the normalization of politics.
Viewing the State's position, is it plausible to think now about the negotiation of aframework that would be democratic or would that come at a later stage?
We must start from the basis that today we do not have a relationship of sufficient strength to