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Casey Anthony Trial -- Sally Kerioth, Cross Examination, 6/29/11

Casey Anthony Trial -- Sally Kerioth, Cross Examination, 6/29/11

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CASEY ANTHONY TRIALCROSS-EXAMINATION OF SALLY KERIOTHJUNE 29, 2011Transcribed by DJWVersion 1.0ACRONYMSJP: Judge Belvin PerryJA: Jeff AshtonDS: Dorothy SimmsSK: Sally KeriothJA: Is being very, very happy consistent with grief?SK: Can be.JA: Is being very, very sad consistent with grief?SK: Yep. There are three emotions: sad, happy and mad are the threethat we see most often.JA: Are there any variations on the continuum between happy and sadthat are not consistent with grief.SK: Well, ask me that again.JA: Well what I'm trying to figure out is, is every state of demeanorbetween very happy and very sad consistent with grief?SK: On the entire cont...JA: Yep.SK: Continuum? I would be... I think I would be remiss if I didn'tsay I have seen patients who were virtually... not in, in any one ofthose levels.JA: So there is nothing about the demeanor in that way that iseither, excludes or includes grief? It can be anything.SK: It could be, (indistinct).JA: How about... how do I say this? Sex, interest in sex.SK: Yeah, it's--JA: Is there any--
SK: There's research that shows when you don't have words to makethings better, it's a method of feeling better.JA: So basically, anything on the continuum from a complete lack ofinterest in sex to promiscuity, all of that is consistent with grief?DS: (inaudible) scope of the direct.JP: Overruled.JA: Is that your testimony?SK: Well I think promiscuity is maybe taking it too far; I think thatin the death of some folks who were very, very close, find will dothings that they haven't done in the first 40 years, just for thecomfort of it.JA: So any reaction in terms of your sexual desire, from promiscuityto virginity, is consistent with grief? Anything, is that right?DS: (inaudible) there were not facts to support this, and think italso exceeds the scope of the direct.JP: Overruled.JA: Is that correct?SK: I have certainly had patients who found that in the beginning,sex seemed to help them with their grief, and as they began to becomea little more aware of their environment, and the things that they'redoing, realize that that probably wasn't the thing that was going tomake them feel better.JA: What I'm looking for is, could you give me anything that isinconsistent with grief?SK: I can give you things that are inconsistent with healthy grief.JA: Nope. No, the question is, is there – the import of yourtestimony is to interpret certain facts as consistent with grief.That's your understanding of why you were called, correct?SK: Yes.JA: So tell me anything that is inconsistent with grief. Any type ofactivity, any type of attitude, any type of demeanor that you wouldagree is inconsistent with grief.
SK: Well again, if you're not going to allow me to say that I thinkthere are healthy grief responses, and I think there are aberrantgrief responses that need intervention...JA: Right, I mean--SK: And I must put both piles together, then I would have to say,anything could happen when someone has a great grief.JA: So no matter what hypothetical I would give you, you would saythat could be consistent with grief.SK: I would probably say, if it were aberrant, that is inconsistentwith inappropriate grief response.JA: Okay. But what I'm getting at is, no matter what hypotheticalcounsel gave you, you would say it was consistent with grief, becauseeverything is consistent with grief in your opinion. Correct?SK: Everything is, falls into a category somewhere along the linefrom pathological grief responses to healthy grief responses.JA: Now, can you, from a set of activities, draw the conclusion to areasonable degree of expert certainty that a certain person is, atthat time, grieving? Know what I'm saying? Not assuming that there'sa loss, and interpreting it as grief, but can you do the opposite?Can you look at a set of actions, not knowing what came before them,and say yeah, this is grief, or no, this is not?SK: Well, I have a tool that's used in medical schools, it's called aKerioth loss inventory. And if someone came to the, to my clinic, andif someone ran that loss inventory on them, and I looked at thesymptoms that came up, and we had a bizarre set of symptoms – I'mlosing my hair, my fingernails are falling out, I can't sleep atnight, I've got the hiccups, every Wednesday I don't seem to get outof bed – plotted on the diagram of that, I may very well say, tell meabout Wednesday, and who have you lost, and what kind of losses haveyou had in your past?JA: And did you attempt to apply that instrument to the facts of thiscase?SK: Well, I don't know the facts of this case.JA: And that's the next question I wanna ask. When were you firstcontacted about this case?SK: I got an email in, I will say the end of May, beginning of June.

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