37signals Podcast transcript
Episode #26: Q and A with Jason and David (May 2011)
Matt Linderman: Hey, everyone. Welcome to the 37signals Podcast. This is MattLinderman. Today we're going to be doing Q&A with Jason and David based onreader questions that you guys posted at Signal vs. Noise. So let's get started.
Joe asks, "Are there negotiation insights to learn from how David became apartner at 37signals? Was Ruby on Rails David's leverage to become apartner versus employee?"
David Heinemeier Hansson: I think it was pure awesomeness that actually tippedthat scale over. No, actually maybe you should answer that, Jason.Jason Fried: Rails obviously had a lot to do with it, but David and I had beenworking together, at that point, for five years or something like that. Is that right?About 2000, 2001.David: I think about maybe three or four. No, actually you're right. Five years. Itwas 2000 when we started working together.Jason: We built a great working relationship. We see things in very similar ways.We get along. We have the same outlook on a variety of things. It was acombination of things. Rails certainly was a big part of it too. It was a variety of things that, I think, all came together at the right time to make that happen.David: I think the other thing that matters in general when you're trying to pick abusiness partner or whatever is that it can't just be about the craft. If all I wasinterested in doing was programming, then I don't think I would have been a goodfit for a business partner. If you want to be a partner in a business, you have to bewilling to wear many more hats than just that of your craft. You have to dive intoall sorts of issues of personnel, building a company, finance, the marketing aspectsof it. There are so many other things than just the technical aspect of it.