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1
 
City
 
Council,
 
City
 
of 
 
Richmond,
 
Virginia
 
1
 
Meeting
 
Transcripts
 
2
 
Samuels
Tyler
 
Noise
 
Ordinance
 
Discussions
 
3
 
4
 
Contents:
 
5
 
6
 
Page
 
Date
 
Meeting
 
7
 
8
 
01
 
Timeline
 
9
 
10
 
Ordinance
 
No.
 
2009
236.
 
11
 
02
 
2010
 
Jan
 
19
 
Public
 
Safety
 
Committee
 
meeting.
 
12
 
10
 
2010
 
Feb
 
22
 
City
 
Council
 
Formal
 
meeting.
 
13
 
14
 
Ordinance
 
No.
 
2011
119.
 
15
 
26
 
2011
 
Jun
 
27
 
City
 
Council
 
Informal
 
meeting.
 
16
 
33
 
2011
 
Jul
 
05
 
Organizational
 
Development
 
Comm.
 
meeting.
 
17
 
18
 
Note:
 
Portions
 
in
 
parenthesis
 
summarize
 
discussions.
 
Some
 
19
 
portions
 
of 
 
discussions
 
omitted.
 
20
 
21
 
Timeline:
 
22
 
23
 
2009
 
Apr
 
17.
 
Supreme
 
Court
 
of 
 
Virginia
 
declares
 
"unreasonably
 
24
 
loud"
 
standard
 
in
 
noise
 
ordinances
 
unconstitutional.
 
25
 
26
 
2009
 
May
 
12.
 
City
 
of 
 
Virginia
 
Beach
 
adopts
 
a
 
replacement
 
noise
 
27
 
ordinance.
 
(25
 
days
 
after
 
court
 
decision)
 
28
 
29
 
2009
 
Dec
 
14.
 
City
 
of 
 
Richmond
 
Council
 
introduces
 
a
 
proposed
 
30
 
replacement
 
noise
 
ordinance.
 
(8
 
months
 
after
 
court
 
decision)
 
31
 
32
 
2010
 
Feb
 
22.
 
Council
 
adopts
 
ordinance.
 
33
 
34
 
2010
 
Apr
 
14.
 
Citizens
 
cited
 
for
 
violating
 
ordinance.
 
35
 
36
 
2010
 
Nov
 
30.
 
Court
 
invalidates
 
ordinance
 
37
 
38
 
2011
 
Jun
 
13.
 
Council
 
introduces
 
proposed
 
ordinance
 
#2.
 
39
 
40
 
2011
 
Jul
 
25.
 
Council
 
adopts
 
ordinance
 
#2.
 
41
 
42
 
43
 
44
 
45
 
46
 
47
 
48
 
49
 
50
 
 
2
 
===========================================================
 
1
 
Excerpts
 
from
 
Public
 
Safety
 
Committee
 
meeting.
 
January
 
19,
 
2010
 
2
 
3
 
Ordinance
 
No.
 
2009
236.
 
4
 
5
 
SAMUELS:
 
First
 
of 
 
all,
 
this
 
paper
 
was
 
brought
 
about
 
in
 
a
 
most
 
unique
 
6
 
way.
 
There
 
was
 
a
 
bar
 
in
 
Virginia
 
Beach
 
that
 
was
 
playing
 
loud
 
music
 
and
 
7
 
the
 
police
 
were
 
called.
 
The
 
owner
 
decided
 
that
 
they
 
didn't
 
want
 
to
 
turn
 
8
 
down
 
the
 
music.
 
They
 
were
 
issued
 
a
 
citation.
 
They
 
fought
 
it
 
from
 
9
 
General
 
District
 
Court
 
all
 
the
 
way
 
up
 
to
 
the
 
Supreme
 
Court
 
of 
 
Virginia.
 
10
 
Supreme
 
Court
 
of 
 
Virginia
 
agreed
 
with
 
them
 
that
 
the
 
way
 
the
 
Virginia
 
11
 
Beach
 
ordinance
 
was
 
written
 
the
 
code
 
is
 
unconstitutional
 
and
 
couldn't
 
12
 
be
 
enforced.
 
That
 
effectively
 
made
 
the
 
bulk
 
of 
 
Virginia's
 
noise
 
13
 
ordinances
 
unconstitutional.
 
This
 
happened...
 
late
 
spring,
 
early
 
summer,
 
14
 
I
 
believe.
 
Over
 
the
 
next
 
six
 
months
 
the
 
city
 
of 
 
Richmond
 
was
 
careful
 
and
 
15
 
watched
 
to
 
see
 
what
 
other
 
 jurisdictions
 
were
 
doing.
 
How
 
to
 
do
 
this.
 
The
 
16
 
attorney
 
for
 
the
 
police
 
actually
 
asked
 
for
 
little
 
bit
 
of 
 
time
 
to
 
see
 
where
 
17
 
the
 
Commonwealth
 
 jurisdictions
 
in
 
general
 
were
 
going
 
to
 
determine
 
the
 
18
 
best
 
way
 
to
 
ensure
 
the
 
newly
 
promulgated,
 
a
 
new
 
noise
 
ordinance,
 
that
 
19
 
it
 
would
 
stand
 
up
 
to
 
constitutional
 
scrutiny.
 
And
 
that's
 
what
 
you
 
have
 
20
 
before
 
you
 
today.
 
To
 
address
 
the
 
specific
 
issues
 
that
 
were
 
brought
 
up
 
21
 
today,
 
I'm
 
going
 
to
 
start
 
with
 
how
 
do
 
you
 
enforce
 
this.
 
The
 
noise
 
22
 
ordinance
 
as
 
written
 
includes
 
a
 
section
 
that
 
provides
 
a
 
violation
 
of 
 
it
 
is
 
a
 
23
 
class
 
II
 
misdemeanor.
 
That
 
means
 
that
 
it's
 
a
 
crime
 
punishable
 
by
 
up
 
to
 
24
 
six
 
months
 
in
 
 jail
 
and
 
a
 
fine
 
of 
 
up
 
to
 
$1500,
 
maybe
 
$1000.
 
And
 
the
 
25
 
burden
 
of 
 
proof 
 
would
 
be
 
on
 
the
 
Commonwealth's
 
attorney
 
or
 
the
 
city
 
26
 
attorney
 
to
 
show
 
that
 
in
 
fact
 
the
 
noise
 
ordinance
 
was
 
violated
 
beyond
 
a
 
27
 
reasonable
 
doubt.
 
In
 
order
 
to
 
make
 
sure
 
that
 
that
 
was
 
something
 
that
 
28
 
could
 
be
 
accomplished,
 
we
 
had
 
to
 
take
 
out
 
words
 
such
 
as
 
29
 
"objectionable"
 
 –
 
anything
 
that
 
was
 
arbitrary
 
 –
 
and
 
put
 
in
 
objective,
 
fact
 
30
 
specific
 
language.
 
That's
 
why
 
you
 
see
 
the
 
phrase
 
"plainly
 
audible."
 
31
 
That's
 
why
 
you
 
see
 
these
 
sorts
 
of 
 
words
 
in
 
the
 
new
 
noise
 
ordinance
 
to
 
32
 
ensure
 
that
 
you
 
won't
 
have
 
the
 
same
 
problems
 
that
 
you
 
saw
 
in
 
the
 
old
 
33
 
noise
 
ordinance.
 
As
 
I
 
flip
 
to
 
it
 
to
 
address
 
the
 
specifics
 
that
 
we've
 
heard
 
34
 
today,
 
in
 
order
 
of 
 
appearance,
 
Ms.
 
Reardon,
 
subsection
 
2
 
of 
 
18,
 
excuse
 
35
 
me,
 
of 
 
38
 
 –
 
31
 
will
 
read
 
that
 
"it
 
is
 
prohibited
 
to
 
allow
 
noise
 
between
 
the
 
36
 
hours
 
of 
 
12
 
AM
 
and
 
7
 
AM
 
that
 
is
 
plainly
 
audible
 
inside
 
the
 
confines
 
of 
 
a
 
37
 
dwelling
 
unit,
 
house,
 
or
 
apartment
 
of 
 
another
 
person."
 
Now
 
I
 
know
 
that
 
38
 
won't
 
help
 
you
 
during
 
the
 
daytime
 
hours
 
but
 
provided
 
that
 
their
 
HVAC
 
39
 
is
 
working
 
you're
 
gonna
 
have
 
it
 
run
 
both
 
at
 
day
 
and
 
night.
 
And
 
that
 
40
 
should
 
resolve
 
that
 
situation.
 
Ms.
 
Nürnberg,
 
I
 
know
 
that
 
you
 
and
 
I
 
41
 
exchanged
 
e
mails
 
earlier
 
this
 
spring
 
on
 
the
 
Stewart
 
Avenue
 
noise
 
next
 
42
 
door,
 
excuse
 
me,
 
[unintelligible]
 
you
 
copied
 
me
 
on
 
a
 
bunch
 
of 
 
those
 
43
 
e
mails.
 
And
 
to
 
address
 
your
 
situation,
 
if 
 
you
 
look
 
at
 
subsection
 
1,
 
44
 
you're
 
going
 
to
 
see
 
that
 
playing
 
any
 
sort
 
of 
 
music
 
that
 
is
 
plainly
 
audible
 
45
 
inside
 
the
 
confines
 
of 
 
a
 
dwelling
 
house
 
of 
 
another
 
person
 
or
 
50
 
feet
 
or
 
46
 
more
 
from
 
the
 
device
 
is
 
not
 
allowed
 
between
 
the
 
hours
 
of 
 
11
 
and
 
7
 
AM.
 
47
 
And,
 
Mr.
 
Circle,
 
I
 
think
 
perhaps
 
subsection
 
four
 
might
 
solve
 
your
 
48
 
problem
 
that
 
"to
 
played
 
or
 
permit
 
the
 
playing
 
of 
 
any
 
radio,
 
stereo,
 
tape
 
49
 
player,
 
compact
 
disc
 
player,
 
etc.,
 
which
 
is
 
located
 
within
 
a
 
motor
 
vehicle
 
50
 
 
3
 
and
 
is
 
plainly
 
audible
 
from
 
outside
 
the
 
motor
 
vehicle
 
at
 
a
 
distance
 
of 
 
50
 
1
 
feet
 
or
 
more."
 
This
 
does
 
not
 
address
 
the
 
horn.
 
The
 
only
 
horn
 
honking
 
2
 
that
 
this
 
has
 
an
 
exception
 
for
 
is
 
to
 
cause
 
an
 
alarm
 
 –
 
as
 
in
 
a
 
car
 
alarms
 
3
 
when
 
someone
 
is
 
breaking
 
in
 
or
 
ambulances,
 
fire
 
trucks,
 
police
 
that
 
are
 
4
 
in
 
emergency
 
mode.
 
That
 
kind
 
of 
 
thing
 
is
 
a
 
clear
 
exception
 
to
 
this
 
rule.
 
5
 
But
 
this
 
ordinance
 
should
 
address
 
all
 
of 
 
those
 
issues.
 
I
 
do
 
want
 
to
 
say
 
6
 
this
 
though.
 
We
 
live
 
in
 
a
 
community,
 
especially
 
in
 
the
 
more
 
densely
 
7
 
populated
 
areas
 
of 
 
the
 
city,
 
where
 
you
 
share
 
a
 
lot
 
of 
 
space
 
with
 
your
 
8
 
neighbors.
 
And,
 
this
 
is
 
not
 
meant
 
to
 
attack
 
anyone,
 
any
 
age
 
group,
 
or
 
9
 
anything
 
else,
 
as
 
far
 
as
 
its
 
enforcement.
 
What
 
it's
 
meant
 
to
 
do
 
is
 
to
 
both
 
10
 
respect
 
the
 
property
 
owner’s
 
rights
 
and
 
the
 
property
 
owner’s
 
privacy
 
on
 
11
 
both
 
sides
 
with
 
the
 
hopes
 
that
 
people
 
will
 
be
 
able
 
to
 
get
 
along
 
together
 
12
 
and
 
understand
 
that
 
when
 
you
 
live
 
in
 
a
 
community
 
you
 
have
 
to
 
take
 
in
 
13
 
not
 
only
 
your
 
own
 
desires
 
and
 
wishes
 
but
 
those
 
of 
 
your
 
neighbors.
 
14
 
15
 
(Citizen
 
asked
 
for
 
clarification.)
 
16
 
17
 
SAMUELS:
 
11
 
to
 
7,
 
11
 
PM
 
to
 
7
 
AM
 
for
 
your
 
situation.
 
Noise
 
of 
 
any
 
kind
 
18
 
between
 
the
 
hours
 
of 
 
midnight
 
and
 
7
 
AM.
 
19
 
20
 
(Citizen
 
asked
 
how
 
it
 
is
 
enforceable
 
during
 
the
 
day.)
 
21
 
22
 
SAMUELS:
 
Well,
 
enforceable
 
during
 
the
 
day
 
is
 
a
 
different
 
subject.
 
23
 
During
 
the
 
day
 
you're
 
going
 
to
 
have
 
a
 
slightly
 
different
 
issue
 
and
 
I
 
will
 
24
 
provided
 
it
 
to
 
you
 
now.
 
25
 
26
 
(Staff 
 
told
 
Samuels
 
where
 
to
 
read.)
 
27
 
28
 
SAMUELS:
 
"To
 
use,
 
play,
 
or
 
operate
 
between
 
the
 
hours
 
of 
 
7
 
AM
 
and
 
11
 
29
 
PM."
 
And
 
then
 
it
 
goes
 
on
 
to
 
list
 
those
 
things
 
which
 
would
 
cause
 
30
 
problems.
 
Now
 
I
 
know
 
this
 
isn't...
 
I'm
 
happy
 
to...
 
I
 
know
 
this
 
isn't
 
31
 
technically
 
the
 
public
 
comment
 
period.
 
This
 
is
 
 just
 
an
 
introduction
 
to
 
32
 
the
 
paper.
 
I'm
 
gonna
 
turn
 
it
 
back
 
over
 
to
 
Ms.
 
Trammell
 
and
 
then
 
I'm
 
33
 
gonna
 
let
 
her...
 
take
 
over.
 
34
 
35
 
NEWBILLE:
 
Asked
 
where
 
the
 
sanctions
 
were
 
provided.
 
36
 
37
 
SAMUELS:
 
Under
 
B
 
of 
 
38
 
 –
 
31.
 
I'm
 
sorry,
 
it's
 
on
 
page
 
7.
 
Now
 
of 
 
course
 
38
 
the
 
police
 
have
 
a
 
couple
 
of 
 
options.
 
They
 
could
 
issue
 
a
 
summons.
 
I
 
39
 
guess
 
technically
 
they
 
could
 
arrest
 
someone
 
for
 
this.
 
Or
 
they
 
could
 
issue
 
40
 
a
 
warning
 
and
 
tell
 
them
 
to
 
turn
 
it
 
down
 
if 
 
they
 
have
 
to
 
come
 
back
 
they
 
41
 
may
 
be
 
charged.
 
42
 
43
 
(Citizen
 
comment
 
about
 
HVAC
 
noise.)
 
44
 
45
 
SAMUELS:
 
And
 
to
 
solve,
 
solve
 
your
 
problem,
 
it
 
 just
 
has
 
to
 
run
 
at
 
a
 
time
 
46
 
that
 
it's
 
illegal
 
to
 
make
 
this
 
much
 
noise.
 
I
 
think
 
the
 
problem
 
is
 
during
 
the
 
47
 
day
 
more
 
noise
 
is
 
expected
 
and
 
it
 
would
 
be
 
more
 
difficult
 
to
 
enforce
 
the
 
48
 
ordinance,
 
more
 
difficult
 
to
 
get
 
a
 
conviction,
 
were
 
we
 
to
 
do
 
silence
 
49
 
throughout
 
the
 
city
 
24
 
hours
 
a
 
day.
 
50
 

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