john: a bit lost
john: literature review ... less but more depth
patricia: instead of full literature review
john: what's the connection between the parts?
beverly: deliberately picked pieces of the literature that contributed some
beverly: some criteria as to why they are connected
john: bev: what's missing:
patricia: bev misses specific questions
john: a specific question or keywords.
patricia: narrative voice power
patricia: community memory forgetting remmebering
beverly: community, memory and forgetting
beverly: wanting to connect with the past, but also work with our skills to
develop our pracitce
patricia: connect with past, trying to develop our practice
beverly: fantasy that all of this going off will somehow be useful
patricia: some fantasy, vision that all this studd is going to be usefull
beverly: it's a little scary
beverly: the question to connect our different topics better
beverly: how are mechanisms of memory, community builiding, narrative
contribute to community life
john: technology layer
beverly: technological layer
beverly: web2.0 \u00ad how to deal with this stuff
beverly: we need community memory power narrative connection
beverly: doesn't help having them as a big blog
beverly: needs a very and a subject
beverly: we want grammar!
beverly: technology aspect is key
beverly: it changes the way we construct memory
beverly: whose voices are hears
patricia: we just have tags no verbs in between!
beverly: changes access to memory
beverly: whose listening?
patricia: access to memory, who is listening
beverly: we are individually and collectively committed to creating new
points of contact
beverly: what are the possibilities and constraints?
patricia: our action part is we creating new points of contact, using
beverly: how do we fit in the stream of development?
john: slightly streamline the book \u00ad\u00ad fit it into paper length.
beverly: how can narrative support memory in communities
beverly: what role does narrative play in communities for remembering?
john: remembering is narrative
beverly: new forms of narrative or new ways of organising narrative
beverly: new genres
john: new communities construct & hold new forms of narrative \u00ad\u00ad genre
patricia: are hold by new communities , i.e. genre theory
patricia: maybe do drawing
beverly: not so easy as we think
beverly: what we've collected is interesting but disconnected/divergent
beverly: different bridges, different connections, differnet items
beverly: deeper insight plus our own story
beverly: mutually read the other notes carefully and try to figure out
beverly: or try to do one question
beverly: bridging framents of reviews
patricia: experiencing fragmentation
beverly: we are experiencing our fragmentation because of our attempts to
draw things together
beverly: when you start getting serious about writing about cops you find
yourself going all all over the world
beverly: it's a messy subject that doesn't let you divide things up as you'd
patricia: one frame that we have is social nature of learning
beverly: social nature of learning and how narrative and technology are
beverly: technology is changing and narrative isn't
beverly: discovery of how technology changes art, narrative ..
beverly: political and social process
patricia: the discovory of new technology and its impact on narrative is a
beverly: what if each one of us would read through the other notes and
produce some questions that link at least one's own notes with the others
beverly: seeing what that would produce
john: draw some links with other materials
beverly: if we read each other's notes ... will need questions and
interpretations and work on the story of our paper
beverly: this reading business is dangerous
beverly: lit review
beverly: never be so gutsy to read in so many directions if didn't have
john: where beverly and patricia pointed... gives courrage.
beverly: have to turn that implicit orientation explicit
john: how to make notes / orientation explicit.
beverly: what is the shared or the overlap or contradicting bits?
patricia: we read a lot as we have travelling comrades to give us
beverly: rather than reading with idea of larger audience
beverly: read as if there were just three of us in the room
john: cirn people are diffused.
john: we're bad enough. they won't make it worse. carzy & diverse.
beverly: impact on design is what we care about?
beverly: at a deep level we are practioners who are designing points of
contact for ourselves and others
john: leads to literature review
john: in order to inform our context for ourselves & for others.
john: preparing entry points
beverly: preparing entry points for our audience
beverly: we try to figure out ... entry points for you at this moment
beverly: lit. review gives an entry point for the conference audience
beverly: why we selected what
beverly: js is arguing something differrent
patricia: subect of our paper the design of entry point
beverly: look at histroy of design of entry points
beverly: different vantage of entry points
beverly: technology and the needs of our world are such that new designs are
beverly: more productive, more self\u00adaware and capcity to learn
beverly: q. attributes to theuth
patricia: not judging a tool as good and bad
beverly: the story of our different bits and pieces .. would they be entyr
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