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Nash Project Ivanhoe MeetingNotes
Meeting members included Nash, Dmitri,Joel, Logan, Alena and Nivaldo.Noted by Logan.December 7, 2011
1 summary
1.1 setting
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main meeting focuses included vermicul-ture, and land acquisition.
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meeting was located in business room onfirst floor of 151 Beecroft Road,
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Near Yonge and Sheppard in Toronto, On-tario, Canada.
1.2 notable
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whole property value is $400,000, and$35,000 for a 5 acre portion.
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business focus on greenhouse vermicultureand gardening.
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potential construction projects during win-ter months.
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Nash agreed to pay in shares of land, about$1 per meter squared.
1.3 homework
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For those that wish to participate in theproject, it is asked for a 1-page documentdetailing:
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What do you wish to do?
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What can you contribute?
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Due Sunday December 11th.
2 pre-meeting
Dmitri and Logan met before the meeting, watch-ing various educational videos about large scaleverimculture.
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Compost sells at $300 per ton in bulk, or$10,000 per ton retail.
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1 two-way trip from Toronto to Ivanhoe inmost energy efficient car is $30, maintenacefee $50 per month. $170 for 4 trips a month.
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would likely have to go there once a week,and stay overnight, so working there 2 daysa week. At minimum wage that would be$700 a month per worker.
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With 5 tons a month, can get $1,500 permonth, enough to cover cost of one worker,and generate near 60% profit.
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Of the organic input, some is used as en-ergy, 2/3 becomes compost.
3 meeting
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Nash: saw property, interested in wormcomposting, and living there
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Dmitri: worm compost good for garden. in-put to other business, organic low invest-ment in contrast to biodiesel
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Nash: green houses 50x60ft 2 available and20x20ft 4 available. having metal framewith plastic 6mm thick windows. watersprinkler systems available.
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Alena: will it be enough for winter?
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Dmitri: active heating just in case, passiveshould suffice mostly.
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Nash: half-circle dome, quickest easiest tobuild, low price, and tractors available.
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Logan: open farm tech tractor
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Dmitri: seperate project
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Nivaldo: open source ecology
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Logan: shovels and wheelbarrows shouldsuffice for initial stages.
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Nash: proposed plan of residential housingin shape of C at south-west of property.
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Alena: 2.5 acre plot prefered1
 
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Dmitri: currently there is already a houseon property available
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Nash: it’s 2 bedroom with heating. thespring is origin of river
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Dmitri: these are healing waters
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Logan: can bottle it for resale
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Dmitri: in reusable containers
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Nash: what do you want to do? Can makebuilding without plumbing or electricity,though at least a 5 acre plot.
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Dmitri: community area important
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Nash: early bird gets the worm, we a setgroup. if someone else come later, they paymore, as value increased. stage is set.
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Joel: what is the value of the property?
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Nash: investment calculation includingcommercial zoning, is $400,000. fencingand gates increases value. builder hasdrawings and model. price at model stage,lower than at later stage. Nash has a cor-poration, but by himself.
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Dmitri: so by being here we increase value?
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Nash: it’s all in the paperwork.
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Dmitri: prefers practical value of trees,trails, and is not planning on selling.
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Nash: membership fee
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Logan: in ecovillage businesses provide in-come, new members can join for ”free” byproviding their effort to the business. someeco-villages have large building with manyrooms for residents.
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Dmitri: visited whole village, most of therooms are empty, as price equivalent tocity-condo, people use tents and trailers in-stead.
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Nash: Generating money have to pay thebill. water from well, and working with na-ture.
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Dmitri: it’s an incremental process
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Nash: has truck, and clients in scarborough
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Joel: composition, upfront costs, process inwhich we get involved.
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Nash: preliminary cost involvement, timefor contributing ideas and vision.
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Joel: what is available?
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Nash: talking about shares in the property
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Dmitri: if some people sell shares, andsomeone else buys that’s doesn’t use theproperty well
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Nash: we concieve constitutions and policy,if natural money then people stay.
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Joel: constitution, if sell share, can be sell-ing to outsider then.
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Nash: making money but are natural peo-ple. first-step is to get worms for 4-5 acres.
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Dmitri: few pounds of worms, multiplyvery fast.
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Nash: 5 acre, 250 (300) tons, 3 months.Can get machines.
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Dmitri: that’s ambitious, better to startsmall.
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Logan: worms require specific conditions tolive, on large scale, small issues, could bevery costly. It’s good to diversify our port-folio, for multiple income streams.
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Nash: Community everyone happy doingwhat they do good.
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Dmitri: not as much money, but beautiful.
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Nash: can increase share in property aspayment for services. have organic her-itage seeds from India. if more than 10x10ftneeds permit. property house has woodstove.
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Alena: 2.5 acre, live in community.
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Nash: can give 5 acre for $35,000
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Alena: what downpayment? can do$10,000
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Dmitri: for me acerage depends on commonarea.
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Logan: Aye.2
 
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Nash: with $20,000 downpayment, can do3% interest on rest.
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Alena: what is the monthly payment?
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Nash: minimum payment is $450 a year, or$38 a month.
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Joel: I’m interested.
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Nivaldo: zero-g vertical rotating farmsgrow fast. can provide food in urban set-ting
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Nash: community various busineses, costprice for builder.
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Alena: how much does it cost to split off apiece of property?
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Nash: it would cost $2,600 to section off 5acres.
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Joel: isn’t it too far ahead, for residentialcomponent?
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Dmitri: people need land to build their ownhouse.
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Nash: yes
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Dmitri: I’ve seen in successful communi-ties, cars are in a parking lot near street,and community is mostly pedestrian.
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Alena: road access is required to each homefor fire-truck.
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Logan: can make paths large enough forcars, but have keep them off limits to cars,except on special occasions.
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Logan: based on the biological cell, weshould have a community library or planingcenter, a community workshop or creativecenter, a community logistics or postal cen-ter, and various community food stations.vermiculture and garden products, couldthen be packaged and shipped.
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Joel: how about the designs from Garnet’spresentation?
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Dmitri: Garnet said he’d like to get in-volved, we’ll arrange something.
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Dmitri: what are some practical steps wecan take within the next month?
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Nash: minutes for meetings 2 and 3. con-firmations of compost and greenhouse. anote from each participant what able tocontribute? what people want to do? firststep is hardest, then it will be easiesr, nextyear decemeber, we can be one of a kind inontario.
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Dmitri: your words are music to my ears
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Alena: menonite
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Nash: menonite do much construction workin winter, as they don’t like to sweat.
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Joel: selling home, it may provide financialsupport
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Dmitri: work hard, make money, then caninvest.
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Joel: if make move, selling house in Jan-uary, income is generated.
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Nash: just worm compositng is buig busi-ness with few competitors.
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Joel: what is needed for compost?
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Dmitri: compost needs 2 kinds of compo-nents1. carbon category, can be paper, leaves,woodchips, dung2. nutritious category, most vegankitchen food scraps, can also use greenplants.3. avoid citrus, root vegetables, meat,dairy.
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Nash: wish to finalize before Christmas.
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Dmitri: how to show seriousness?
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Nash: meeting minutes, participant namesand addresses, plans, informative 1 pagesummary.
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Joel: regarding vermiculure
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Nash: any business income, or land acqui-sition ideas.
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Alena: can help with business physically
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Joel: will have property money in January,but don’t know how much.
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Dmitri: is it okay to just email or docu-ments and paper?
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Alena: interested in pond.3
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