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SHRI TIRUCHI SIVA (TAMIL NADU): Thank you, Mr. Deputy
Chairman, Sir, for having given me this opportunity.
Sir, the
Convention imposes a number of obligations on the MemberStates. Some were mandatory; some were recommendatory; and
some were optional. It also envisages inter alia that all the State
parties ensure measures in their domestic laws for criminalization of
offences which are related to bribery, and, based on that, this Bill
has been brought.
Sir, before going into the Bill, I would like to make some
general remarks. Shri Rajagopalachari was the first and the last
Governor-General of the Independent India, hailed to be a
visionary, some of whose visions which we feel should not come to
reality or come into reality, apart from many other things to be
appreciated on his side. Sir, in the year 1921-22, in his Prison Diary,
Rajaji has written, We all ought to know that Swaraj will not at
once or, I think, even for a long time to come, be better
government or greater happiness for the people. Elections and
their corruptions, injustice, and the power and tyranny of wealth,
and inefficiency of administration, will make a hell of life as soon as
freedom is given to us. Men will look regretfully back to the old
regime of comparative justice and efficient, peaceful, more or less
honest administration. The only thing gained will be that as a race
we will be saved from dishonour and subordination. Hope lies only
in universal education by which right conduct, fear of God, and
love, will be developed among the citizens from childhood. It is only
if we succeed in this that Swaraj will mean happiness. Otherwise, it
will mean grinding injustices and tyranny of wealth. Sir, I am very
sorry and sad that this has come to reality. This he has written in
the year 1920-21; and in 1897 Swami Vivekananda said that
European politics has been corrupt due to electoral politics
whereas our people have not yet been. That has also come into
practice. So, all these things which we witness compel us, and I
would like to say that corruption is not prevailing in India alone. It is
a global phenomenon. Otherwise, the United Nations Convention
against Corruption would not have arisen at all. So, instead of
elaborating what is happening, what are the reasons of that, we
feel that, maybe, the absence of a strong legislation is one of the
reasons.
(Contd. by 3f/SKC)
3f/4.10/skc
SHRI TIRUCHI SIVA (contd.): We do not know that. We already
have strong legislations against dowry, but still dowry is increasing
manifold. Public opinion to back any law could curtail the crimes.
A law alone cannot do it.
Sir, transparency in every aspect of governance could curtail
corruption to a great extent. Bringing in systemic changes would
also help. I would like to cite the example of Andhra Pradesh where
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opined that the subject mater of the Draft Bill is relatable to Entry 1
and 2 of List III, i.e., Concurrent List of the Seventh Schedule to the
Constitution.
conference or body.
consoled. When the Bill was discussed in the other House, the
earlier Bill in clause 1 (3) says, "It shall come into force on such
appear that the powers of the States are being usurped, or, being
trespassed, or, being encroached.
Lokpal, it was said that the Prime Minister may be included after he
demits office. But, now, the Prime Minister is included while he is
in office, and also after he demits office, with some riders. These
safeguards are, of course, necessary with regard to the highest
position in the Executive. I think, the relationship between the CBI
and the CVC, in the Lokpal Bill, has also been altered. Earlier,
Group A and B employees were there in the Bill. Now, Group
C and D employees have also been included. Again, I would like
to seek a clarification that when we see the constitution of
employees in the Central Government, Group A employees are
92,716 (2.98 per cent of the total employees); Group B
employees are 2,47,822 (7.96 per cent); Group C employees are
18,57,222 (59.69 per cent); and Group D employees are 9,13,850
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investigation, it will submit its report to the Lokpal. It does not end
there.
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this country are being asked by a group of representatives of Civil
Society to follow what they want to be the law of the land.
Parliament is being asked by this group to enact what it has put
forth as a draft Bill. I dont find anything more undemocratic than
this attitude in a country governed by the Constitution and the rule
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THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (PROF. P. J. KURIEN): Mr. Pany, please
sit down. Mohapatraji, against Constitutional bodies, dont make
wild allegations. (Interruptions)...
SHRI PYARIMOHAN MOHAPATRA: I am not speaking against any
institution. (Interruptions)...
The Election
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(Interruptions)...
SHRI PYARIMOHAN MOHAPATRA: I am not speaking against any
institution as such. (Interruptions)...
SHRI V. NARAYANASAMY: He shouldnt make wild allegations.
(Interruptions)...
THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: Mohapatraji, please proceed.
SHRI PYARIMOHAN MOHAPATRA: You are taking my time, Mr.
Minister. I will have to be given five minutes more because of this.
THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: So, you are seeking five minutes more.
Please.
SHRI PYARIMOHAN MOHAPATRA:
which all of us know. Let us not play with this. This is an important
moment. Unless we dont tell things honestly, we will never find a
solution.
Corruption Wing of the CBI to the Lokpal; otherwise, this Lokpal will
be a useless piece of anachronism.
Lokpal.
Now I come to the federal structure. The hon. Minister, Shri
V. Narayanasamy, started by saying that we have signed the
Convention Against Corruption in 2000, eleven years ago.
You
do you talk of this? Even if it has been, then why did you wake up
only when the so-called civil society or a Ramdev started
threatening you? Till then you did not wake up. Then the Prime
Minister said in the Lower House, "Federalism cannot be an
impediment in the war against corruption." When has federalism
become an impediment in the war against corruption before you
could start the war against corruption this way, if at all you have
started?
above there shall be a Lokayukta in the States and also say that
clauses 62 to 97 may be treated as the guidelines for the States to
follow. Don't bring in article 252. With article 253, you are adding
article 252 which is contradictory. So, please say that these are the
guidelines. Yes, the States will follow these as guidelines and make
laws. This is about federalism.
Every speaker from this side, including our friends on the
other side, have said that please honour the federal principle and
see that the federal structure is not affected adversely in any
manner, which has been a fact of history. Let us not change the
course of history and let us honour federalism because we have
come to a situation now when none of the political parties since the
last 13
majority
to talk about