can – it isn't that they no longer want to, but that they no longer can.For instance, M. was greatly interested in my story about Ganapati, and I sawthat there was a connection between him and Ganapati, so I told him, "But turn tohim and he will give you the right inspiration." And since then M. has been perfect, really; all that he can do he does to the utmost of his ability. So all this isvery good.But there is a considerable difference between the real fact, that is, what this body [Mother's body] represents, and X's conception. He has always remained allthe way down. This is what, in fact, had ruined his health for a time. And the oddthing is that every time he was ill and CONSENTED to inform me, he wasinstantly cured – he KNOWS this, but still his first instinct is always to turn to thegods with his ordinary puja.It was the same thing with you – I saw that. He regards you like this
(gestureof looking down on Satprem),
and then, you're not a pundit (!), you haven't had thereligious education of the country – he regards you as a beginner, he isn't at allconscious of where your mind is, of where your mind can reach. I told him, buteven that he doesn't quite understand. But once, I saw (it was at the time when Iwas giving him meditations downstairs), he had made a remark that was quite preposterous on the fact that people here meditated with eyes closed and that I,too, had my eyes closed when I meditated. It was reported to me. That was longago, years ago. He was going to come and see me the next morning, so I said,"Wait, my friend, I'll show you!" And the next day, I meditated with my eyes open
– the poor man! When he went downstairs, he said, "Mother meditated with her eyes open, she was like a lion!"That's it, you understand, there's a gap.He is a very good man, but very ignorant – it seems funny to say that about a pundit, a great pundit who knows Sanskrit better than the head of the Maths[monasteries] of the South, but I say that he lacks this: the opening up above. Hehas a connection in a straight line
(gesture tapering off to a point above),
andindeed it's very high up, but it's a pinpoint – a sharp point that gives him anexperience which is his ALONE: he cannot pass it on to others. You understand, itisn't an immensity rising upward: it's a pinpoint.Last time, when he came to meditate, just before he came upstairs, all of asudden I felt the Lord coming (He has a particular way of becoming concretewhen He wants me to do something), and He became concrete with the will that Ishould take advantage of this man's goodwill to widen his consciousness. It wasvery clear. And He became concrete with a Power, you know, one of thoseoverwhelming Powers ... and a wonderful Love. It came like that, and he wascaught in the Movement – what he was conscious of, I cannot say. But when heleft the room, he said he had had an experience. And this time, he was quitesincere, spontaneous, natural, not trying to ...
to make a show.
It was very good. No, you might have gained something [with X], but it's a something youwould have found quite small; if you had felt it, you would have thought, "Oh,really, that was it!?"