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The Libertarian Communist No.17 - Mid Jan-March 2012

The Libertarian Communist No.17 - Mid Jan-March 2012

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A Discussion Bulletin for and of the Anti State, Non
Market Socialist/Anarchist sector.

Aim: the creation of a World wide Libertarian Communist Society
A Discussion Bulletin for and of the Anti State, Non
Market Socialist/Anarchist sector.

Aim: the creation of a World wide Libertarian Communist Society

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The Libertarian
----------------------------------------------------------A Discussion Bulletin for and of the Anti State, NonMarket Socialist/Anarchist sector
Aim: the creation of a World wide Libertarian Communist Society.
Parliament: Dung heap or useful for cementing Social Revolution
Issue 17: mid January to March 2012
The Libertarian
Issue 17 Mid January to March 2012
The purpose of The Libertarian Communist is to promote discussion amongst the AntiState, Non Market sector irrespective of whether individuals or groups considerthemselves as Anarchist, Communist or Socialist as all such titles are in need of furtherqualification. If you have disagreements with an article in this or any other issue, wishto offer comment or want to contribute something else to the discussion then pleaseget in touch. If any article focuses on a particular group then that group has, as amatter of course, the right to reply. So please get in touch with your article, letters andcomments. You can do this by contacting lib_com.bull@mail.com or writing to RayCarr, Flat 1, 99 Princess Road, Branksome, Poole, Dorset BH12 1BQ.
Introduction to Issue 17
The possible development of 
the World Libertarian Socialist Network(WLSN): the position of The Libertarian Communist.
What’s wrong with using parliament? Stair (SPGB) responds to BlackFlag
What’s wrong with using parliament? Laurens Otter response to Stair 
The collapsing of the financial bubble, ‘greedy bankers’ and why therecan be no going back to social welfare capitalism: Krisis
Contact details for groups in the anti state, non market sector
Issue 17
This issue is dominated by two issues; the first of these is the proposal of some people involvedin the World Libertarian Socialist Network to develop it as an organisation. This is a proposal thatwas very much welcomed by this journal and a few of our supporters including the editor signedup so as to get involved. At the time of this issue being prepared this proposal was still in itsinfancy and as yet no votes had taken place. However there did appear to be some snagsdeveloping as far as the LC was concerned. These was basically to do with the fact that there aredifferences, that perhaps we did not consider, between the term libertarian socialism and antistate, non market socialism. It therefore seems to be a good idea to make our position clear atthis early stage although it is quite possible that things might have moved forward before thisissue hits the streets or people’s doormats or computers. The second issue is the case for andagainst using parliament in the process of a socialist revolution. We quite understand that tomany of our readers this is probably considered a bit of a stale issue. So why highlight thisdebate yet again. Well to be honest it was not something that was planned. We received anarticle from Laurens Otter that was a reply to an article by Stair (SPGB) which was infact a replyto a review of the SPGB pamphlet, “What’s wrong with using parliament that appeared in arecent edition of Black Flag. At the time of receiving this article we had not even seen the BlackFlag review or Stair’s reply to it but we felt that if we were to include the piece by Laurens Otterit made sense to also print Stair’s article so we sought his agreement to publishing his article.Why did we not also publish the Black Flag review? Basically two reasons, one was space and thesecond was that it was not considered that the Black Flag review really got to grip with ordeveloped the main issues. To finish we have an analysis from krisis.org on the current financialcapitalist crisis.
The Libertarian
Issue 17 Mid January to March 2012
The possible development of theWorld Libertarian SocialistNetwork (WLSN; the position of The Libertarian Communist.
The Libertarian Communist (LC) existsfor the purpose of giving a voice to theanti state, non market anarchist/socialistsector and to encourage it to develop asa sector in its own right. It could beargued that, as a living body the antistate, non market sector does notcurrently exist it is just the nameaccepted by some of us who feel thatvarious groups who stand forsocialism /communism as a societywhich has transcended the market andcan have no need for a state belong tothis general heading. We raise this pointhere because the question has beenraised of whether the LC will just remaina discussion journal or whether at somepoint it will branch out as a group withinits own right. The LC would certainlysupport the establishment of a groupingthat could play a role in developing thesector as a whole but at the current timesuch a move would need support frompeople involved in groups within thesector as the influence of the LC on itsown is minimal
Libertarian Socialism and Antistate, non market Socialism: thedifferences between them
The LC is not the only proponent of theview that we need to develop the ASNMas a group within itself. World inCommon (WiC) started out with a similaraim and we hope it maintains this pointof view. Towards the end of 2011 theWorld Libertarian Socialist Network(WLSN) started a list for members whowished to be involved in makingdecisions about the future direction of the group. The idea being that it shouldfunction as a Libertarian SocialistOrganisation proper rather than justremaining as an online entity. Somesupporters of LC joined the WLSN andthe list as we believed this looked like astep in the right direction. What followshere is written in a personal capacityand is not intended to represent theviews of other LC supporters involved inthe WLSN project. At the same time thisdoes reflect the view of this journal butas usual we welcome contributions thateither agree or disagree with theeditorial position. The proposal of theWLSN seemed to be similar to the viewof the LC that something should be setup that would act as a type of umbrellagroup both for people who weremembers of groups aligned to the WLSNand to people who though not membersof any group had similar opinions. Theaim of this group would be to promotethe ideas of the sector as a whole and toplay an educational role. From a fairlyearly point in the exchange of emails itbecame clear that the WLSN wasadvocating the acceptance of a widerbody of opinion than what the LCunderstands as the anti state nonmarket sector. This became clear whenit was proposed that this new groupingwould include groups and people whodescribe themselves as “MarketSocialists”. This is not the time to enterinto a critique of “market socialism” butit is pretty clear that people who believethat there is the role for the marketwithin a socialist society cannot bedescribed as anti state
non market
socialists. Apart from the fact that theLC does not exist to promote conceptssuch as ‘market socialism’ which seemsto be a contradiction in terms it alsofeels that any new grouping has to bebased on a common set of objectives.Even within an ASNM grouping therewould be differences in terms of how wereach our goal but it is possible to leavesuch discussions to a time when ourmovement is more advanced but if somebelieve in a so called socialist societythat included a market system, even if this is just envisaged as a transitionalsociety, whilst others reject outrightsuch a concept and perhaps do not evenbelieve that such a thing as a half way

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