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Mac Interviews Whitley

Mac Interviews Whitley

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An “Interview” with Whitley Strieber
by Mac Tonnies
The following is a mildly shortened and edited version of a series of questions I asked authorWhitley Strieber via a BBS he maintained briefly. His goal was to provide a forum to answeras many questions with his readers as possible. Of course, he was inundated with questionsand discussions of all sorts and had to abandon the "Ask Whitley" forum.Strieber is probably the most notable personality to emerge from the UFO culture since thefamed abduction of Betty and Barney Hill. He's documented his experiences in severalsuccessful books, beginning with "Communion," which became a number-one bestseller.Strieber's weird accounts of contacts with nonhuman intelligences (he's reluctant to call them"aliens" until he can better understand the nature of his experiences) are perplexing and fairlyunique among the abduction literature. His humility and willingness to question the apparentreality of his visitations were traits lacking in the "contactees" of the 1950s, who more or lessdivulged the secrets of the universe to anyone willing to listen.The responses here cast an interesting light on his nonfiction. I was impressed with thequickness and sincerity of his replies.___________________________________________________________________________
Mac Tonnies: 
 
I was able to see author William S. Burroughs in Lawrence, KS thisweekend and I asked him about the significance of the ship Marie Celeste, whichwas apparently found devoid of passengers. This is a recurring motif in Burroughs'art and writing. I'm aware that Burroughs stayed at your cabin once, hoping to "makecontact." What was the experience like? Did either of you gain any newunderstandings of the phenomenon? (Specifically, do you think the Celeste's crewwas "abducted"?)
Whitley Strieber:
Anne and Andrew and I had dinner with Burroughs in September, andwe're going to try to make the celebration in Lawrence for him on Nov 26th. Never askedhim the Marie Celeste question. How did he reply? He didn't see the visitors at our cabin, butone of the people with him had an unusual experience of some sort, but I don't recall what itwas. Not real big. I think the world of William. He is a man who has been willing to walk theedge so that the rest of us can see how it's done.
"Communion" and "Transformation" dealt significantly with short, uniformed entities withdark blue skin and wide faces. This is hardly the stereotypical "alien," and references tothe blue entities seem to fall off in "Breakthrough." Are the "blue doctors" still acomponent of your interaction with the visitors?
 
Also, how common are other people's reports of similar entities? From my own reading,your books seem to be unique in their depiction of them.One more question: How accurately were the blue entities depicted in the film version of"Communion"?
Actually, they were pretty accurate. But I never saw them as clearly as they were depicted inthe film. I don't believe that I've seen anything like that since about 1989. They are mentionedfrom time to time in letters, so my experience with them wasn't totally unique.
Some of the most intriguing commentary you've made about the visitors is featuredin Ed Conroy's interview with you in "Report on Communion." How do you feel nowabout the possibility that the visitors are the product of some sort of neotany?I'd also love to know your reactions to the "SOM1-01" operations manual featured inStan Friedman's new book. Are the reports on alien anatomy consistent with yourown encounters? (I was especially interested in the alleged "Type 1" entity, which ismore or less human.) Could these be the visitors able to sometimes "walk amongus," assuming that they do (i.e. Mr. Lee's bookstore encounter)?
Bruce Lee's bookstore encounter was NOT with humanoids at all. These were people like onthe cover of the book, wrapped up in scarves and hats! And Bruce was NOT having me on. Ihave seen humans working with the visitors more than once, and people who looked humanbut had a very different affect. Also, regarding the "diving suit" situation: the things I saw atDora's old place in Boulder that appeared to come alive were so strange that it is beyond myability to characterize them at all, except it appeared to me that they were like artificialbodies that souls could inhabit at times. But what does that mean? Just that this is how mymind chose to address something that is quite probably beyond explanation.
How has the visitor experience influenced your horror writing? I found "TheForbidden Zone" uniquely harrowing and wonder if some of the otherworldly imagerystems from actual experience or personal understanding.
"The Wolfen" are the Grays. "The Hunger" are the blonds. "The Night Church" is the secrethuman society that mediates between the rest of us and outside intelligences. "Black Magic"is government mind control experimentation. "Catmagic" is the facing of death that starts theencounter experience, and an interpretation of the visitors in terms of fairy lore. "TheForbidden Zone" is a deep fear that they represent something from deep in unknown time,and that secret government fiddling has unleashed them on us.To make a long story short: the way I work out my fears is in the fiction. The results of thatwork go into the books of fact.(Until "Forbidden Zone," I was not conscious of this process.)
 
It seems as if a lot of the visitors' [abilities] can be accounted for if they have beenable to truly manipulate consciousness through technology. For example, light-speedtravel could be accomplished by "faxing" a person's "soul" through space, where itcould merge with a receptive physical body (kind of like telepresence, through whichscientists hope to explore dangerous planetary environments)."Post-biological" technologies like this seem to correspond to some of the visitors'apparent abilities. What you perceived as "artificial bodies" for instance, might havebeen exactly that.If you haven't researched transhumanism, there are some fascinating articles on theWeb I'm sure would interest you.
Sounds fascinating. Drop the link in. I'd love to take a look.
Are you aware of the research by Dr. Michael Persinger of Laurentian University?He's been able to duplicate the archetypical CE-like experience by exposing thebrain to computer-controlled electromagnetic fields. Researcher and author AlbertBudden wrote an excellent book expounding on Persinger's theories ("UFOs:Psychic Close Encounters--The Electromagnetic Indictment").I'd appreciate your thoughts on this controversial interpretation of the "visitorexperience."
He has been able to create a very limited version of the experience, from what I hear fromone of his subjects, but not having undergone the process myself, I can't really compare it.However, I am very open to the possibility that this isn't alien contact. More than willing tosee another explanation, if it is a true one.
[You] and other experiencers report aliens walking through physical structures suchas walls and doors. In an interview with Ed Conroy, [you] mention the possibility thathumans may be able to duplicate the visitors' remarkable feats given enoughtechnological progression. Betty Hill's description of amniocentesis is often cited asan example of the visitors' apparent high technology.Recent theoretical work suggests that even walking through walls can eventually beaccomplished using earthly technologies. "Nanotechnology," the applied science ofrestructuring matter on the molecular/atomic level, offers one explanation for thevisitors' reported ability to become "immune" to matter.
You wrote "'Nanotechnology,' the applied science of restructuring matter on the molecular/atomic level..." The visitors said to a witness back in 1985: "We rearrange atoms." So maybewe are damn well on the right track, here! Thanks for this neat post!
Evolution on a planet with high gravity isn't consistent with the frail, spindly limbsoften described by abductees. Of course, no one really knows exactly what a gray's

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