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Jimmy Wales SOPA Panel Transcript

Jimmy Wales SOPA Panel Transcript

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Jimmy Wales of Wikimedia participates in the SOPA panel moderated by Pete Cashmore of Mashable at the World Economic Forum 2012
Jimmy Wales of Wikimedia participates in the SOPA panel moderated by Pete Cashmore of Mashable at the World Economic Forum 2012

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SOPAPanelatDocumented@DavosTranscriptDocumented@Davos2012
[MUSICPLAYING]INTERVIEWER:WelcomebacktoDocumented@Davos,hostedbyScribdandMashable,talkingtotechnologyleadershereatDavos,tryingtofigureoutwhatthefutureoftechnologymightbe.Hashtagis#davosdocs.AndI'mdelightedtobejoinedbyapanelofexperts.We'regoingtobetalkingaboutSOPA,whichissomelegislationthat'sobviouslybeeninthenewsveryrecently.Tomyright,wehaveDavidDrummond,chieflegalofficeratGoogle.WehaveJimmyWales,founderofWikimediaFoundation,obviouslyWikipediabeingyourmostfamouscreation.WehaveTripAdler,who'stheCEOandfounderatScribd,whichisanonlinedocumenthostingservice,obviouslyanopponentofSOPAforthatreason.AndwehaveCongressmanIssa,who,ifIremembercorrectly,opposedSOPAandalsointroducedOPEN,whichisanalternativetoSOPAwhichGoogleisinfavorof.SoIguessIcouldstartbyaskingthecongressman,wehaditonoursitelastweek,butisittrue?IsSOPAreallydead?Coulditcomeback?DARRELLISSA:Well,SOPAisradioactive.Nowwhetherornotsomebodywantstohandleveryenricheduraniumandpaythepricethatcomeswithholdingit,theoddsare,no,they'renot.Justyesterday,PatrickLeahy--theauthorofPIPA,theequivalentofSOPAintheSenate--hassaidhe'stakingalookatOPEN.Andthatiswhatwepredictedallalong.Thatis,ifyoustopthemfromdoingoverreachandreallyexcessivework,thenthey'llstartgoingbacktosomethingthatwillactuallyattacktherealpiracy,whichweallagreehastobestoppedontheinternet.INTERVIEWER:SoareyousayingnoprobabilityofSOPAcomingback?DARRELLISSA:IwouldcertainlythinkthatastheylookatOPEN,they'llwanttotrytobringinideasorpartsofSOPA.Andthatwillbepartofthechallenge,tomakesurethatiftheyhavereasonablerequests,welookatit.Butatthesametime,wedefeatedSOPAbecauseSOPAandPIPAwereallaboutreallyeliminatingcreativityandstiflingtheinternet,and,infact,makingitlesssafeandprobablyunstable.Sowe'vegottomakesurethoseelementsdon'tcreepbackin.INTERVIEWER:Andjustforouraudience,explainalittlebitaboutwhatSOPAmeansandhowOPENisdifferent.DARRELLISSA:Well,oneofthemostimportantthingsthatSOPAhadwasithadadenialofserviceimplicitinit.Andtheideathatyou'regoingtoblocktheinternetbecausesomebodysaysthatsomeportionofsomesitemayhavesome
 
infringement--andofcourse,inrealtime,itmaynothaveitthismoment.Itmayhaveit10secondsfromnow.Anditmaynothaveit10secondsafterwards.Thatkindoffoolishnessisreally19thcenturythinking.Theotherpartwasmuchmore20thcentury,whichisithadabroadarrayoflawsuitcapability,including,ifyouwill,individualrightsofaction.Sothesingerinthebandwhomaynotactuallyownthecopyright,butisperforming,couldhave,infact,broughtlitigation,eitherdirectly,inthewayofasuit,ortotheJusticeDepartment.Andlastly,itaskedtheJusticeDepartmenttotrytogoafterthisplethoraof,quote,"infringers,"allofwhomwereallegedtobeoverseas.ButthetargetsthatJusticecouldgoafterwereallintheUS.Eachofthosetoldusthatthiswasallaboutwantingto,ifyouwill,stifletheinternetbymakingtheinternetdotheworkof,ifyouwill,themediacontentpeople.Weappreciatethattheirassetsareontheinternetandthattheyshouldnotbepirated.Butatthesametime,looktotheforeignsitesthataredoingit.Getinjunctivereliefquickly.Andthenfollowittothemoney.Stopthemoney.Webelievethat'sgoingtocleanuptheinternet.Wethinkit'sagoodmodelfortheworld,notjustforAmerica.INTERVIEWER:David,GoogleopposedSOPA,issupportiveofOPEN.What'sthedifference?WhyisOPENbetter?DAVIDDRUMMOND:Well,letmetellyou.Oneofthebigreasonswewereopposedtothisiswehavehadinourcountrysincethelate'90sabalancewithcopyrightthatkindofworksandthatothercountriesaretryingtoemulate,whichisembodiedintheDigitalMillenniumCopyrightAct,theDMCA.Andwhatitbasicallysays,you'reacopyrightholder,andyou'redealingwithanintermediary,likeanISPorasearchengine.Youhavetotellusthatyourmaterialisbeinginfringed.Youtellusit'supthere.Itshouldn'tbeupthere.Itgivesanotice.Wetakeitdown.Givesomeoneelseanopportunitytochallengethatdecision,etcetera,etcetera.That'sworkedreallywell.AndsowhenSOPAcameout,andPIPAbeforeit,allthetalkwasaboutstoppingtheseforeignroguesites,andthat'swhatwe'regoingafter.Butwhenyouactuallyreadthebills,whattheyweredoingwasattemptingtooverturnthisbalanceandthisstructurethathasworkedreallywellontheinternetbyactuallytryingtodeputizesearchengines,ISPs,toeitherblocksitesentirely,toremovesearchresults--atechnique,Ishouldremindeverybody,thatwaspioneeredbyChina.They'rethebestpractitionerofit--andevenothersiteslikeWikipediaandothersthatsimplymightcontainalinktosomethingthatsomeoneclaimsonedayisinfringing.Andsotherewasthishugegulfbetweenwhattheproponentsofthebillsaidtheyweregoingafterandthenwhatthebillsactuallysaid.

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