Interview Transcript from "The O'Reilly Factor," October 18, 2007.BILL O'REILLY: Joining us now from Los Angeles, Keith Fink, the attorneyfor Mutts and Moms, the adoption agency involved. All right, so whereis the dog now? Where is Iggy now?KEITH FINK, MUTTS & MOMS ATTORNEY: The dog is with the new ownerand he's doing fine.O'REILLY: Now when you say it's with a new owner, you moved the dogpretty quickly out of one situation into the next. Is that the way itusually goes? What I'm trying to say is you didn't do this any differentlythan you would have done it for any other dog?FINK: It is done just the same as any other dog. They have adoptionprocedures, people fill out an application. If they qualify to receive thedog, they get the dog and that's what happened here.O'REILLY: OK, now were you aware or was the Mutts & Moms awarethat Ellen DeGeneres would want the dog, if we could work it out, toremain in the home with the 11 and 12-year-old girls? You know —what I'm trying to get at here counselor is your clients are beingportrayed as heartless, as heartless. That yes, you are right legally. There is no question. She violated the contract, you had a perfect rightto do it. But if you took the dog away from an 11 and 12-year-old andquickly funneled it over to another home without trying to work it out,it might be perceived as being heartless. Do you see what I'm talkingabout?FINK: It is kind of humorous that you say that Bill. I have tworesponses. The person that is heartless is Ellen DeGeneres. Sheattempted to destroy - and at this moment she has destroyed twowomen who have dedicated their lives to protecting and caring foranimals.If you're talking about my clients being heartless because all that theywanted to do was protect the animal, I don't understand that.O'REILLY: Here is what I would have done, and you tell me what —where I'm wrong. If I'm your client and Ellen DeGeneres violates theadoption rule, which she did and she admits it and that was wrong, andshe brings the dog and gives it to an 11 and 12-year-old girl who areresponsible, I guess. And they love the dog.I tried to work that out. I tried to say, "OK, we'll file adoption papersfrom this." We'll put in that Ms. DeGeneres did a wrong thing, but forthe good of the dog and the children, we'll try to make it happen. You

see what I mean?FINK: Yes. That's what we did do. And that's not what Ellen says on hertelevision show. We did offer this family the ability to come in and fileadoption papers. But Ellen DeGeneres wants it Ellen DeGeneres' way.She refused, and the family refused to come in and fill out the adoptionpapers.What they — what Ellen should have done when she was discardingthe dog is call us and say, "Look, I don't want the dog anymore. I metthis loving family. They have two great kids. Will you consider thefamily?"Of course we would have.O'REILLY: OK. Now let me stop you. So you're saying — and I want toget this on the record — that the family, the hairdresser, Ellen's friend,wouldn't come in and fill out the paperwork to get Iggy? You're sayingthat flat out: they would not do it?FINK: Flat out, and I have the e-mails.O'REILLY: OK. Now, why wouldn't they do it if the little girls want — theyoung girls wanted the dog? Why wouldn't they fill it out?FINK: I've been in California my whole life. I love this state, butunfortunately, we have a segment here I call the Hollywood culture.And I put Ellen DeGeneres, as it relates to this incident, in that culture,because Ellen DeGeneres, she is powerful. She is wealthy. She has aphalanx of lawyers. And Ellen DeGeneres is going to do it her way.And her way was, "I'm not filling out the paperwork. I want it to go tothis family. And if you don't listen to me, the weight of my lawyers isgoing to come down on you, and then I'm going to use my media onyou."O'REILLY: It sounds so dopey. It just sounds so dopey. If what you'resaying is true — and you're a lawyer, so you have to be truthful —particularly when millions of people are watching. It just sounds sostupid. Just go down, fill it out, and keep the dog.Now, there's one other thing in play here.FINK: Bill, Bill, why do you say it sounds dopey when those are thefacts?O'REILLY: No, no, it sounds dopey that the family wouldn't do it.FINK: Well — well...