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Sponsored by Control Technology Corp. ... Motion, Analog and Web HMI in one integrated system. If you tackle demanding applications, have the need for advanced motion control, or wish to save cost by moving to integrated web-based HMI, check out Control Technology Corporation's new model 5300 Programmable Automation Controller. Discover the tremendous advantage in cost and design time conferred by fully integrated control. For more info, visit: http://www.ctc-control.com/ New post by Bruce Durdle: RE: Drum Level Protection Correction: if you are using three transmitters to provide some protection against transmitter failure, you need a median select function - not an average. The median select will always select the middle value of the three inputs - so if one goes either high or low the reading will still be correct. If you have 2 50 % level readings and one 0 % the average is 33 % which is not what you want. You also need a deviation alarm to pick up the fact that one transmitter has gone AWOL. Bruce. view or reply to this thread New post by krush: Re: Steam turbine maintenance Traditionally, it's been the standard to do it about every 5 years. These means pulling the cover, going through everything, inspecting and repairing as needed. Some utilities are extended that to 6, 8, 10+ but have very extensive monitoring and quality control. There is lots of information available about this in trade publications. http://www.maintenanceworld.com/Articles/BeebeR/jqme3.pdf view or reply to this thread New post by ChiefGeek: Monitoring 125Vdc Trip Coil I've got four 125 Vdc trip coils on a steam turbine that are ENERGIZED to trip the turbine. Is there a way to monitor the health of the trip coils? The trip coils are part of the control and stop valves and cannot be replace. We would have to replace the actual valves which is big bucks. Thanks for any help. view or reply to this thread New post by Joel Spafford: Re: ABB Bailey Infi90 System
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This is easily accomplished by using a Modbus OPC server and Infi 90 OPC server with bridging software to link the two OPC servers together. The RoviSys OPC90 Server and BridgeMaster software products can be used for the INFI 90 side. view or reply to this thread New post by Mark: Re: Need HMI interface fro Frequency Drive Have you already selected the drive? If so, what make, model, communications options? What type of HMI are you looking for (PC based, web, standalone, etc.)? If PC based, what OS? Is this a one-off or ongoing requirement? -Mark http://automatedsolutions.com view or reply to this thread New post by Flavio Souza: Re: Zero Stability When talking about pressure transmitters, there is zero error that is deviation of the original reading when the transmitter was calibrated at factory. This zero shift adds an error to the transmitter reading. This error can be eliminated by calibrating the transmitter Zero reading again. This can be caused by high static pressure applied to the transmitter or the way the transmitter is assembled (vertical, horizontal, etc). There is also a feature called "Stability" that it is a difference of the transmitter reading caused along the years of use of this device. Some transmitters have Stability of 0.15% of URL for 5 years at 20 C temperature change and up to 7 MPa (1000 psi) of static pressure. view or reply to this thread New post by Joel Spafford: Re: ABB Bailey Infi90 System Item 2 can be easily tried using evaluation products. As pointed out you will need a modbus OPC server (Kepware has a few of these), Infi 90 OPC server and bridging software to link the two servers together (RoviSys Infi 90 OPC server and BridgeMaster products can be evaluated at no cost). view or reply to this thread New post by seshadri: Ground to Neutral Voltage-Limit We have Work station 220 Volt sockets showing 3.5 Volts between Ground to Neutral. I want to know what is the limit? If this is more what is the remedial action required. Is there any International standard for this. Please reply to my email address also. Regards H.V.Seshadri hvseshadri2010@gmail.com view or reply to this thread New post by maaz: Re: MS5001 causes of excessive exhaust spread? Thanks Bob for your reply. Last maintenance job on this machine was carried out in 2007 in which fuel nozzles were changed. most recently to resolve this problem offline water wash was carried out last month but situation did not improve. Low temp area keeps moving with different loads, below are readings of exhaust T/Cs at various loads At load=3MW TTXD-1=312, 2=310, 3=312, 4=310, 5=308, 6=311, 7=320, 8=312, 9=310, 10=312,
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11=309, 12=314, 13=310, TTXSP1=12 At load=4MW TTXD-1=314, 2=312, 3=313, 4=309, 5=310, 6=313, 7=320, 8=311, 9=308, 10=312, 11=310, 12=314, 13=312, TTXSP1=11.2 At load=6.8MW TTXD-1=360, 2=362, 3=361, 4=357, 5=358, 6=364, 7=367, 8=355, 9=354, 10=357, 11=359, 12=362, 13=358, TTXSP1=11.7 At load=9MW TTXD-1=381, 2=384, 3=379, 4=379, 5=378, 6=386, 7=389, 8=376, 9=378, 10=379, 11=381, 12=383, 13=380, TTXSP1=13.3 At load=11.7MW TTXD-1=410, 2=415, 3=404, 4=404, 5=408, 6=423, 7= 430, 8=426, 9=420, 10=417, 11=408, 12=405, 13=404, TTXSP1=26.8 At load=14.3MW TTXD-1=380, 2=359, 3=357, 4=374, 5=399, 6=383, 7=375, 8=373, 9=369, 10=366, 11=370, 12=403, 13=377, TTXSP1=42.1 At load=16MW TTXD-1=376, 2=367, 3=375, 4=402, 5=406, 6=395, 7=382, 8=383, 9=375, 10=375, 11=394, 12=406, 13=384, TTXSP1=39.2 view or reply to this thread New post by CSA: Re: Mark-V Cards repair One of the advertisers here on control.com should be able to help you. Contact GTC, Gas Turbine Controls Corporation at www.gasturbinecontrols.com.

view or reply to this thread New post by Adeel Imtiaz: GAS Turbine Boiler Purge 2BB Problem We have two gas turbine with MARK-II and MARK-V IDOS control. Both gas turbines are running at the moment. MARK-V Recently we changed some fuse panel indications of MARK-V control and observed that purge complete L2BB was 1 in logic and hence indication was flashing. MARK-II In contrast MARK-II control 2BBX relay at 1R page was continuously de-energized and hence 2BBX (boiler purged) indication was OFF. We checked the logic and it seems that logic and input to the logic are same 14hm=1, 33BB/bc=1, 33BV/bo=1. 1)Why there is a difference of 2BBx indications of MARK-II and MARK-V control. 2) Should 2BBx light vanish during the normal running of gas turbine. Best regards, Adeel view or reply to this thread New post by CSA: Re: Mark V HMI upgradation TCI and CIMBRIDGE are GE proprietary applications, which are provided on HMIs used with GE Mark V, Mark VI, and early Mark VIe Speedtronic turbine control systems. I'm not aware of any authorized sellers of TCI/CIMBRIDGE, or that GE would sell "stand-alone" copies (that is, ones not installed on an HMI with an ARCnet card). You can contact GE or one of its control system integrators for a copy of CIMPLICITY.
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You should contact one of the advertisers here on control.com, GTC, Gas Turbine Controls Corporation, at www.gasturbinecontrols.com. They might have a "new old stock" HMI with the configuration you are looking for. view or reply to this thread New post by karthik: axial shift in positive ours is a 4X210 mw LMW design turbine. out of four one unit axial shift goes positive side but within the limit. all others units are in negative. there is no variation in running parameters. And the pad temp are with in the limits. please help .. karthik view or reply to this thread New post by Galericus: Axial load for radial turbine Hi, I'm working on a radial turbo compressor project and want to calculate the axial load on the shaft. This to know what would be the axial load on the bearing... Thanks for all the help. view or reply to this thread New post by krush: Re: Reaching Base Load Sort of on topic (for CSA lol)..... I had to do a 1% speed reference step change on frame 6 for testing. The testing company says GE usually puts in a sum block with logic that adds 1% to the speed ref signal, but the GE TA wasn't familiar with that. So I found the constant that controls the manual load increase rate (L86 or something?) and increased it until one click on the speed increase button gave me 1% change in speed ref (Idos). Turned out about 246%/min was the value. Took forever to ramp to that in the constants program--it doesn't let one adjust the ramp rate like the WinNT HMI. Anyway, we'll see if this gave the testing guys what they need after they look at the data. Pretty good for a mechanical guy that barely passed controls class, eh? PS: I'll never figure out why GE has to make speed control logic so complex. view or reply to this thread New post by krush: Re: DLN Operation This is a generic response, but a good thing to remember. NOx reduction in any combustion process is OFTEN achieved with three T's. Time, Temperature, Turbulence. This applies to coal burners or gas turbine combustors. Usually the goal is to limit peak combustion temperature by extending combustion time and increasing turbulence to ensure all the fuel is burned. NOx and CO usually are opposite--one goes up and the other goes down. Water injection is another option. SCR's (basically just like catalytic converter on your car) is another after treatment option. view or reply to this thread New post by krush: Re: Gas Turbine
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I got a story about reverse power that just happened. We are doing testing of all units and part of the test is to take voltage 95% to 105% rated (swing the vars...give and take...leading to lagging...0.5 to -0.5 PF...13.2 to 14.4....however the heck you want to say it). This is done at various MW steps from off line to full load. Because of system loading, it was a good time to start at full load and work our way down. Got to full load, went from 1.0 to giving vars. Then went back to 1.0. Then went 1.0 to taking vars and *TRIP*. Prime mover was still online, but generator breaker was open. Reverse power flag on relay. The testing guys are also protection engineers...and after explaining to plant staff that you don't trip reverse power on REACTIVE power, only real power, they started doing some investigating. Long story short, the polarity on one of CT (current transformers) was swapped. Point? If you only tri p on reverse power on rare occasions, check the wiring as it may be only when you are in a certain quadrant of the reactive capability curve. view or reply to this thread New post by CSA: Re: Atomizing Air Temperature Control not steady I'm presuming the fans are being controlled by the Mark VI,, which isn't a big stretch, but never having seen a configuration like you're describing it could be an entirely self-contained "skid" with its own controller. If you can determine the fans are controlled by the Mark VI you need to find someone to look through Toolbox and decipher how the fans are being controlled (inputs and outputs) and then run the Toolbox Trender to record the inputs and outputs and see what's happening to determine if the problem is with the Mark VI or something else. It would seem that if VFDs were used for cooling, they would be controlled by varying their speeds in proportion to the temperature, and even possibly operating them by staring one fan and running it up to near rated speed before starting the second, possibly with some lead/lag motor selection as well. But these are all presumptions. But, without more informa tion (Toolbox .m6b file; P&IDs; etc.) it's really hard to say what the problem might be with any degree of certainty. I would have to believe the commissioning crew wouldn't leave something as critical as this system not working properly, but it has been known to happen. If the unit is still under warranty you should request the supplier/packager to return to rectify the problem. Please write back to let us know how the problem is resolved. view or reply to this thread New post by otised: Re: GE Gas turbine typres/series MS = Model Series. E.g., 5001 for frame 5, single shaft; 5002 for frame 5, 2 shaft. Can be followed by letters to show "revision" level. Usually, higher letters mean later revision, and more power output. Main exception to this was the 5001P and 5001R. The P was an upgrade to the N which itself was an upgrade to the M. The N had a better compressor section with variable IGV's. The P had some changes in the turbine section and was Mark II control (N was Mark I). The R was basically an M with Mark II control and turbine changes similar to the P. PG = Power Generator and is MS with the two zeros replaced by numbers that indicate approximate horsepower of the turbine. So a PG5341P would be a MS5001P rated at about 34000 horsepower or about 25 MW. view or reply to this thread New post by Hoo: Zero Stability I have a clear question; Please create your guidelines. What does Zero Stability mean in instrumentation industry? view or reply to this thread

New post by chandra mouli: Re: Project using LM35, ADC0804, LCD in Assembly Hey,guys... i started project with ADC0804 and LM35DT ..by using interface of eprom memory to execute software written in c language ... it is too heavy circuit... view or reply to this thread New post by Nicram: Java modbus library I'm looking for free modbus library for java. I found Jamod library, but I'm not sure that this library is still developed and supported. When I try to run examples supplied with Jamod, I receive an error that some javax.comm libraries (Java communications api) are missing. But when I try to download these libraries from Java site, there are no libraries for Windows platform cuz Windows is no longer supported :( I need to write simple modbus application in java under windows, but don't know what to do? view or reply to this thread New post by Antony: Re: Steam turbine maintenance Thanks a lot for your information view or reply to this thread New post by ALI: RANGE OF DP SWITCH HIGH FOR DIESEL OIL FILTER What is adjustable range for DP switch high? is it different from maximum operating pressure? I want to procure DP switch high. PROCESS DETAIL; FLUID TYPE: DIESEL FUEL MAX OPERATING PRESS: 0 - 5 BAR S.GRAVITY :0.86 PLEASE GIVE ADJUSTABLE RANGE OF DP SWITCH HIGH? MY PURPOSE IS TO GIVE ALARM ON CHOKED CONDITION. PLEASE HELP. KINDLY APPRECIATED view or reply to this thread New post by KKK: 6.9KV Vaccum circuit breaker rack in/rack out procedure Dear Gents, I have prepared the 6.9KV vacuum circuit breaker rack in/rack out procedure, I request you to kindly give your inputs to safe guard the personal to prevent hazards associated with rack in /rack out circuit breakers Earlier we are rack in/rack out the breaker with the compartment door open, now we have modified the door & now we are able to rack in/rack out with compartment door closed 6.9KV Rack in Procedure 1. Identify the correct Breaker 2. Check Breaker visually for cluster condition, left out tools or any other external materials 3. Check the breaker is open & spring is fully discharged
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4. Check the breaker is on local mode 5. Ensure that breaker control supply is switched off 6. Place the breaker in the compartment in test position & insert the breaker control supply plug 7. Close the breaker compartment door 8. Rack in t he breaker 9. Open the breaker compartment door & check that breaker is in "connect" position & spring is in discharged condition 10. Close the breaker compartment door 11. Switch on the breaker control supply (MCCB#02) 12. Select the breaker in Remote mode Breaker Rack out procedure 1. Identify the correct breaker 2. Confirm the breaker is open 3. Select the breaker in Local mode 4. Rack-out the breaker with the compartment door closed 5. Switch off the control supply (MCCB#02) 6. Open the breaker compartment door, ensure that the breaker is in test position, also check the breaker indication "Dis-connect" at local 7. Remove the control supply plug 8. Discharge the spring 9. Close the breaker compartment door view or reply to this thread New post by KKK: High silica in wash water Dear Sir, We are receiving higher silica content ( > 0.03 PPM) in water which we are using for GT online & offline water wash. (GE 7Fa machine) I have checked the GE manual & it doesn't say anything about the silica level. What are the impact on Gas turbine performance if we use water with higher silica for water wash view or reply to this thread New post by Flavio Souza: Re: Drum Level Protection >The drum level protection (High Level >or Low Level) is implemented by using >High and Low level switches or using the >DP level Transmitters? Generally protection is implemented using level switches.
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Although you can enhance your protection by using transmitter and switches to start a boiler trip. Transmitter alarm OR switches will start it. >Actually our plant is a thermal power >plant which is currently in erection >stage and we are reviewing the boiler >water system P&ID where we can see 3 DP >transmitter (one on the left side and 2 >on the right side of the drum). You can use have the AVERAGE of three to make the level control. In the case of 1 transmitter is faulty, you can automatically select the AVERAGE of 2 transmitters. The worst case you can have 2 faulty transmitter, but the boiler will still have control since one transmitte r is fine. >Apart from that I can see contacts like H, HH, >HHH and L, LL, LLL (on a vertical >column) on both side of the drum. I mean >there are all total 2 H, HH, HHH and L, >LL, LLL available. In addition to that >there is local level gauge glass on both >side of the drum. Level glass gauge is mandatory for boilers, since the operators still need a visual reference of the level that do not rely on transmitters or the supervisory system. view or reply to this thread New post by C Toole: Re: RANGE OF DP SWITCH HIGH FOR DIESEL OIL FILTER The DP range would be the difference between the inlet and the outlet pressure. The total range of dp would depend on the available flow through the filter. You really need a way of installing a dp gauge across the inlet and out let and then mimic a stopped up filter by adding restriction. That would then give you a baseline for total DP range. And, yes the max allowable pressure is different from the DP range.The max allowable pressure would be the maximum allowed pressure on the bellows or seal of the instrument in any situation. Hope this helps! view or reply to this thread New post by vinu: GE Gas turbine typres/series What is the main difference between MS & PG series gas turbines & what are the abbreviations? view or reply to this thread New post by Ed: Re: Need HMI interface fro Frequency Drive I would recommend the Fuji Electric drive & HMI. They have a Component Part feature on the HMI that will pull out a preloaded application for the drive, so you won't even need to do any programming. view or reply to this thread New post by Bud: Re: RANGE OF DP SWITCH HIGH FOR DIESEL OIL FILTER Maximum operating pressure is the maximum line pressure the switch can tolerate before it damages itself or the environment. The range for differential pressure (psid) switching for filter clogging is typically much less than line pressure. The filter people should be able to tell you what DP across a filter is an acceptable high limit. I thought most engines have a spring-loaded oil bypass in case the filter clogs; one would expect a DP filter switch to activate well before the bypass trips. Some switches come with indication, others are blind. view or reply to this thread
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New post by Steve: Re: Need HMI interface fro Frequency Drive You can also look at the Omron NV operator interface and the Omron MX2 Drive. view or reply to this thread New post by Anthony Porter: Re: ABB Bailey Infi90 System Just to reassure Harsha and to add weight to John's comments regarding the various phases from 'active' to obsolete etc., you can simply browse this entire site and look for posts about Bailey Infi90 / ABB Harmony and after a while, one thing will become apparent: You will notice that there is relatively very little posted about these systems! This should tell you something... Not that I am biased of course :)... I've been working with these systems for about 27 years now, since the very early Network 90 and its classic NOIU01 / 02 console, right up to the present, with the 800 xa series and am currently engaged at a power station that uses 'classic' Infi90 (that's INNIS01 INNIS11 / INNPM01/11 and IMMFP02/12 controllers and Symphony power system). We have an ABB (Italy) Power Generation Portal (PGP v 3.2) HMI, which was chosen over PPB or CNT or other HMI products simply because it was the only console available that c ould use the SODG displays that were used on the former OIS43 consoles. (We still have one of those in service, but is only used as the time synch master and for a backup if the entire PGP has to be taken off line). I have worked with other DCS products and a number of 'generic' HMI's and still maintain that nothing even comes close to the Bailey / ABB systems in terms of their ability to be easily upgraded - backward compatibility and support of what would otherwise be very 'old' system components. The actual DCS hardware is VERY reliable and I've worked with systems that have been 'online' continuously for more than 20 years without a single glitch over that period! From what you've said about your system (and to back up John's comments), you really only need to concern yourself at this stage with the HMI's and maybe the cabinet power systems, the rest of it should keep your plant running for many more years yet! Since you are upgrading OIS4xx consoles , you should consider the PGP as a replacement as the SODG displays from your OIS42 will go straight into this console with minor tidying up required. Any other HMI will require the graphics to be built 'from scratch' again and if your system is a large one (such as ours with over 2000 displays), that could mean months even YEARS of extra work! view or reply to this thread New post by Brent: Frame 9 User Group We are currently developing a GE Frame 9 Combined cycle power project. Where can I find the Frame 9 users group? I found the 7F group that listed 9F as well but we are old school 9E user. view or reply to this thread New post by krush: Re: Monitoring 125Vdc Trip Coil What flavor (brand) of turbine. And I'm not doubting you, but you are 100% sure all the coils (solenoid right?) require power to trip? That wouldn't seem like a wise design. There still is a mechanical (manual) overspeed trip, right? view or reply to this thread New post by Anthony Porter: Re: ABB Bailey Infi90 System Refer to John's post (25 Jan 2011) and of all three options he outlines, I've found the first one to be the simplest and most reliable. Depending on what Infi90 'tools' you have on hand, you can use a simple DOS program known as GPI02 or the more up-to-date version of it that partners with the 'Composer' Toolset, which is what appears to be the FDI John is talking about. (If you are using the old 'Wintools' or even older SCAD you must use the GPI02, which partners with the .cfg file produced by those.
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In both cases a .NBS file is downloaded together with the normal .cfg file to the module running the interface. I have also worked with OPC interfaces on Conductor NT and although it works OK, you will also need a third party OPC server to connect to the ABB OPC database. I cannot comment on the OPC with PPB as I haven't worked with OPC on that type of console, however of the two I have used, the GPI02 or FDI which runs a .NBS (a C language simple script that connects your foreign device to special Bailey function codes via an RS232 link) is BY FAR the more reliable of the two options. Note that the .NBS file can only be saved in your Composer or Wintools project and downloaded (say in the event the module failed and you don't have redundant pair); it cannot be opened and edited. You can only edit the actual script with the GPI02 program or the FDI, then when you download it together with the module configuration (the function codes); the updated .NBS file is then replaced in the module. ABB would no doubt have a few more options available now, so as John has suggested: you would be well advised to discuss it with them first. view or reply to this thread New post by CSA: Re: GE Toolbox 8.1 Demigrog, To quote: >Toolbox 8.1 is fine on Windows XP. >..., but if >you're stuck on Toolbox 8.1 you're >limited to older OSes. Can you clarify this, please? Will Toolbox 8.1 work on WinXP, or not? Thanks! view or reply to this thread
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