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2012Jun14 - Howard Griswold Conference Call

2012Jun14 - Howard Griswold Conference Call

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Howard Griswold Conference Call—Thursday, June 14, 2012PartialHoward Griswold Conference calls:conf call (talkshoe) 724-444-7444 95099# 1#(non-talkshoe members must use the 1# after the pin number)Thursday’s at 8 p.m., Eastern Time.
Talkshoe mutes the phone linesConference Call is simulcast on:www.TheREALPublicRadio.NetStarting in the first hour at 8 p.m.
 Note: there is a hydrate water call 8 pm, Eastern Monday’s, 218-844-3388 966771#Howard’s home number: 302-875-2653 (between 9:30, a.m, and 7:00, p.m.)Check out:www.escapeharrassment.com www.escape-tickets-IRS-court.org All correspondence to:Gemini Investment Research Group, POB 398, Delmar, Del. 19940(do not address mail to ‘Howard Griswold’ since Howard has not taken up residence in thatmailbox and since he’s on good terms with his wife he isn’t likely to in the foreseeablefuture.)Donations are accepted."All" Howard's and GEMINI RESEARCH's information through the years, has been gathered, combined and collated into 3 "Home-Study Courses" and"Information packages" listed atwww.peoples-rights.com"Mail Order" DONATIONSand/or Toll-Free 1-877-544-4718 (24 Hours F.A.Q. line)Dave DiReamer can be reached at: notaxman@dmv.comPeoples-rights has a new book available from The Informer:
 Just Who Really Owns the United States, the International Monetary Fund, Federal  Reserve, World Bank, Your House, Your Car, Everything—the Myth and the Reality.
 He’ll take $45 for the book to help with ads, but $40 would be ok which includes shipping($35 barebones minimum)www.peoples-rights.comc/o 1624 Savannah Road, Lewes, Delaware 19958********************Christian Walters (trusts) is on Mondays, Tuesdays and Saturdays at nine o'clock, EasternTime. The number is 1-712-432-0075 and the pin is 149939# (9 pm EST). Wednesday’snumber is 1-724-444-7444 and the pin is 41875# (8 pm, Eastern) or tune in on Wednesdayat Talkshoe.com at http://www.talkshoe.com/talkshoe/web/talkCast.jsp?masterId=41875&cmd=tc
 
Often you can find a transcript or a partial one for the week’s call at the following website:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/peoplelookingforthetruth Howard approves or disapproves all postings to this yahoo group. Send potential posting toHoward. Note: questions to Howard are now submitted to Howard, preferably typed, to GeminiResearch rather than fielded on the call live. It would be desirable to send a couple of bucksfor mailing, copying and printing costs.*********************Extra legal help is available from the firm, Ketchum, Dewey, Cheatham and Howe.***********************************************************************************************************A recording of each Howard Griswold Thursday conference call is available from DezertOwl upon request for any sized donation. Go to the following link:www.TheRealPublicRadio.Net/Archives.html.For donations to desert, send them to Free America Radio Network, 121 Seaparc Circle,Suite B, Kingsland, Georgia 31548. Phone number: 912-882-2142. Cell: 304-629-7169.For reference:
 Jersey City v. Hague
, 115 Atlantic Reporter 2
nd
, page 8 (A 2
nd
)**********Project for all:Howard needs information on how to write a complaint for breach of the trust.Hit the libraries!He would appreciate any research help.*****************************************************Start*****************************************************{01:53:12.486}[Howard]One of our assistant researchers with Gemini wrote a notice to the court fosomebody and sent me a copy of it and in that notice he quoted something from a case andsaid that the courts are always there to uphold the rights of property of the individuals inAmerica. Well, lo and behold, he quoted a very old case. Dave mentioned it tonight. It wasin one of the e-mails. It is
United States v. Lee
at 106 US Rpts, p. 196. Now, this is old. It’san 1882 case. They don’t pay any attention to those cases if you put them into court unlessyou do the kinds of things that I try to do and that is I try to show the old cases and I try toshow the new cases or I try to show the new law and show that the law has never changed.The only thing that has changed is the corruption of the law by appearance created by
 
corrupt lawyers. In 1882 in this case—and believe it or not this is a very interesting case— this case is about a piece of property that was owned by Lee and a friend of his ownsanother part and another lady owned a very small part and it involved 1100 acres of groundin the Arlington, Virginia area which today is known as the Arlington National Cemetery.The United States government tried to steal that piece of property from Mr. Lee and theother two people. Now, Mr. Lee owned the bulk of it. It was inherited by him from thefamily after someone older than him had passed away and left it to him as his inheritance.And the United States government created a tax on certain property and it applied to that property and he didn’t pay the tax. He was late anyway in paying the tax. Well, he made anattempt once he was notified to pay the tax and by the way the law was written thecommissioners who collect the taxes were not able by law to accept the money except fromthe individual himself and by a certain time and if he didn’t then they could refuse toaccept the money. Well, this case went all the way up to the US Supreme Court which iswhy it’s got the number 106 US, p. 196 and the Supreme Court looked at the case and theymade some comments and one of their comments was, ‘this court in a series of casesestablished the proposition that where commissioners refuse to receive such taxes their action in thus preventing the payment was the equivalent of payment in its effect upon thecertificate of sale. And they cite
 Bennett v. Hunter 
9 Wall 326, Taxey v. Irwin 18 Wall 549and then the later case,
 Attwood v. Weems
99 US Rpts, p. 183. Now, Wall and Howard anda few other different lawyers back in the early days of the United States wrote the SupremeCourt Reports. Those reports were called by the name of the writer and Wall was for Wallace and How was for Howard and there was a few other ones that wrote some of thereports. In the early US cases those names were used instead of calling it a US Report. Butthey’re still United States Supreme Court Reports the court said that it was not within theauthority of anyone who was offered a tender of payment to pay a debt such as a tax debtthat it could be refused. Now, like I said, these are very old cases. The courts today pay noattention whatsoever to these old cases. The court went on to say in that case that it would be an idle ceremony for any of these to make the offer and an actual tender by such personas it would certainly not be accepted need not even be made. And in most cases this is whateducated stupid Americans would do. They would not tender the payment. If they’re behind and they can’t afford it and it has become a large amount of money they would just back off and go away and not tender the payment but Mr. Lee did tender the paymentincluding the interest charge for being late and they refused to accept it. So, that thecommissioners in the execution of law acted upon a rule which deprived the owner of hisland and an important right and that is the right of property, a right which went to the rootof the matter, a right that has no instance known to us. In other words, they had no right totake his property, no instance that was known to the Supreme Court or cited by the councilon this case and refused to a taxpayer. Thus, the court said, the sale made under suchcircumstances is invalid as much so as if the tax had actually been paid or tendered. Now,Dave has many times in discussions that he has brought up mentioned Section 3-603 or 3-604 depending upon which state code you’re looking at of the Uniform Commercial Codewhich reads under 3-604 in Delaware and very similarly I just looked it up in Illinois. It’sunder 3-603 out in Illinois. It says, ‘any party making a tender of full payment to a holder of a note when or after it is due is discharged to the extent to all subsequent liabilities or interest, costs and attorney’s fees. Now, this is the modern law. Today’s law, Subsection 2of 3-604 of the Delaware Code goes on to say that the holder and his refusal of such tender 

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