Meier- 'today I have a lot of questions, when you allow.Semjase - If there are not too many. Semjase- if there are not too many Meier- I don't know; my first concerns the matter/rough-material stuff. what actually is it? Semjase - matter is a sizable idea. It is a solid form of energy, being sizable. Meier- That is evident, but how does it originate? Semjase - The principle is very easy, but I am not allowed to tell it. but it is such, that all energy can be changed into solid matter. It is also necessary, to bundle the concerned energy securely and to concentrate it highly, thus it may be converted into solid matter. By this, the elementary building blocks of the solid components of matter are generated; neutron, proton and electron. From those then form the atoms and the variety of chemical compounds, which then in their different aggregation states form the solid outer manifestation, which is known to your scientists. Solid energy as well as the original energy are of the same value in each direction. This means, origin energy is absolutely matter, as origin matter is absolutely energy as well. This means that, without exception, everything in the Universe consists of matter or energy. Both terms, energy and matter, represent basically one and the same, but precisely in their separate forms: finematerial and coarse-material. Coarse-material is matter; finematerial is energy. Meier- well, allright, but this doesn't explain my question . I namely want to know how matter rises originally. Semjase - From out of basic energy, of course. Meier- You render too less precise. I think, that before the basic energy, there must be something else. Because, from what I know, always two individual units, belonging together, result in a unit again..... Semjase - You are tireless, and you give me a predicament. Meier - I don't' intend to. Semjase - okay now, I shall explain all for you, as far as I shall be allowed, though you seem to know more in this respect, then we know about you: matter is the embodiment of idea. As energy, the matter is finmaterial; and as matter, just highly concentrated and condensed. one can generate both kinds by apparatus, which you already do in different ways. Normally they are generated quite naturally, that is by spiritual forces, which is preceded by idea. The basic source for this is The Creation, a vast spiritual reservoir, a factor, which again embodies the original energy. From it rises idea. The force of Spirit then (which and who again embodies energy) condenses and concentrates the idea to finematerial energy, which then by still higher concentration becomes coarsematerial, or matter ....... Meier- Then in fact, the whole Universe is, inside and out, only of finematerial and coarsematerial energy (which is) compressed and concentrated idea? Semjase - Certainly. Meier- But then, what is this vast spiritual formation, the factor of The Creation? Semjase - It consists of idea, condensed in itself towards itself to originate spiritual energy. We as well do not know much more about this.