very powerful transformation experience for me which I talk about in my book, Flowers of Wiricuta. Wiricuta is the Huichol holy land where each year the shaman leads a group of pilgrims to ritually seek out and hunt the sacred peyote. I am now midway into my secondcycle of apprenticeship.
LA:
What's the purpose of the apprenticeship you are now in?
TP:
The Huichols say that when you do the first cycle of apprenticeship you grow one set of psychic antlers. This is your telepathic tool for attunement with the spirit world. In the firstcycle you go to the 6th level, or top of a pyramid. in the second cycle you grow your secondset of antlers and come down six levels, so what you learn is grounded and can be used inthis life. Then you are in balance with antlers on both sides of your head.
LA:
Do you use your one antler?
TP:
Everyday.
LA:
Americans have a very two-dimensional idea of shamanic practices and the role of hallucinogenic plants play. Could you explain your viewpoint on this?
TP:
The word "hallucinogen is a culturally biased term and does not reflect how indigenouspeople perceive the sacramental plants they use only in ceremonial ritual. in our culture, thenegative term for visionary inducing psychoactive materials, "hallucinogens", implies seeing something that does not exist. For the indigenous people, sacred plants are produced in the womb of Mother Earth and created by the Great Spirit to be used with a clear intentionality in a sacred setting. These plants can open doorways to a deeper reality which underlies the world of materiality that we are conditioned to believe is what is real. Shamanic plant use isnot about hallucinating something that is not there, but just the opposite. We in the Westlive in a hallucinatory world based upon our mind's projection that postulates a world of separate objects, inanimate in nature and devoid of consciousness and soul. This perceptionof separation is a pathological one because it leads us to treat what we construe as separateand inanimate in a disrespectful way. We soil our own nest, dump our waste in places thatare out of sight and out - of mind, that we think is safely separated and doesn't haveanything to do with us and where we live. Since this is not based on what is actually true - aplanet where everything is interconnected, our pollution comes back into our lives throughthe air we breath, the food we eat and the water we drink. The shamanic people I havestudied with around the world, perceive through their visions a reality based oninterpenetrating fields of energy. And from these visionary teachings comes an ecologically-based understanding of how to live, a manner that promotes harmony and balance of all thecomponents of the field, both seen and unseen. The visions take the shaman into the reality underlying the physical, the relationship of forces discussed by our subatomic physicists andreferred to as quarks, leptons, etc. For shamans, these are spirit forces and they learn how tointeract with them in a cooperative fashion based on respect, reciprocity and co-creativepartnership of responsibility.
LA:
How can we have a sacred relationship to sacred substances If it Is not In our culture?
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