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Kill All Normies: Online Culture Wars From 4Chan And Tumblr To Trump And The Alt-Right

Kill All Normies: Online Culture Wars From 4Chan And Tumblr To Trump And The Alt-Right

Written by Angela Nagle

Narrated by Mary Sarah


Kill All Normies: Online Culture Wars From 4Chan And Tumblr To Trump And The Alt-Right

Written by Angela Nagle

Narrated by Mary Sarah

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4/5 (83 ratings)
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4 hours
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Nov 7, 2017
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9781541485334
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Recent years have seen a revival of the heated culture wars of the 1990s, but this time its battle ground is the internet. On one side the alt right ranges from the once obscure neo-reactionary and white separatist movements, to geeky subcultures like 4chan, to more mainstream manifestations such as the Trump-supporting gay libertarian Milo Yiannopolous. On the other side, a culture of struggle sessions and virtue signalling lurks behind a therapeutic language of trigger warnings and safe spaces. The feminist side of the online culture wars has its equally geeky subcultures right through to its mainstream expression. Kill All Normies explores some of the cultural genealogies and past parallels of these styles and subcultures, drawing from transgressive styles of 60s libertinism and conservative movements, to make the case for a rejection of the perpetual cultural turn.

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Nov 7, 2017
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9781541485334
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About the author

Angela Nagle's work has appeared in the The New Yorker, the Baffler and many other journals. Since completing her PhD on anti-feminist online subcultures, Nagle has become an expert on the alt-right, appearing on many television and radio programs. Nagle is on the committee of Spring Manchester. She lives in Dublin, Ireland.


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  • (5/5)
    Do you want to know what was happening on the internet 4-10 years ago either because you’re too old or too young? You’re in luck, sort of. This book is an excellent contemporary history of a very strange time for humanity. Highly recommended!
  • (2/5)
    At least the writer did some research before writing but the result is brutally biased woke propaganda nevertheless
  • (4/5)

    1 person found this helpful

    A chilling overview of how the psychopathic Right is claiming social media, and how its dismal views seem to be seeping into the mainstream. It's a wake-up call for the Left.

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  • (3/5)

    1 person found this helpful

    Plus points for addressing the way the internet utopia s accidentally spawned vicious alt-right subcultures. But feel like this didn’t dig in enough, and was a bit... blurry. Needed better editing too - if I’m noticing typos etc it’s bad.

    1 person found this helpful

  • (5/5)

    2 people found this helpful

    A tour de force of the Materialist Left. Very well written and referencing a million different facets of history and philosophy along the way. Highly suggested for all Lefties as well as the Anti-SJW right.

    2 people found this helpful

  • (3/5)
    Interesante análisis de la guerra cultural de la extrema-derecha (y la alt-right) internauta en Estados Unidos, con una enumeración básica de algunos de los protagonistas y algo de relato de su modo de actuación y patrones culturales. Un poco espeso en tema de conceptos que el público en general puede no estar familiarizado aunque por otra parte el tono y el análisis es bastante correcto evitando juicios previos y ofreciendo una visión lo más curosa posible.
  • (3/5)

    1 person found this helpful

    It was informative but terribly biased. If you want to understand what went wrong on the left then look elsewhere. This author is too interested in trying to garner sympathy for ideological allies receiving nasty anonymous messages without recognizing many were the “cry bullies” people were complaining about.

    As a liberal supporter of social justice I’m disappointed that authors inability to be honest about how a hateful and dogmatic online activism became on the left. It’s enablers undermined the credibility of social justice and we’re still dealing with the consequences of scorched earth tactics being employed by left leaning media publications quashing all any at dissent often with claims of “harassment”. This book is sadly more of that.

    The sections on the Alt Right were good and informative but it fails to link alienation of these white males with sadistic identity attacks on them in mainstream publications. Frequent inflammatory click bait articles like “why it’s good to hate White men” or “Gamers are Dead” in gaming publications wasn’t about building a culture of inclusion or respect. That was bullies with big platforms doing what bullies do, which is picking on soft socially accepted targets. The gamers just turned out to be way more than they bargained for.

    Those with big platforms pushing inflammatory content attacking communities and identities with faux social justice were never held accountable for all the animosity they manufactured for clicks. The author expecting we empathize with flame throwers getting hate mail is a bridge too far for me. What we should be doing is demanding apologies from those who recklessly exploited social justice for fame, power, and profit without recognizing the harm to all those left vulnerable when it’s trivialized by bad faith activism.


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  • (1/5)

    3 people found this helpful

    The author only has superficial and skewed view of the subjects she discusses. She's definitely biased and mostly ignorant (at times, seemingly willfully). A good book if you want to go from uninformed to misinformed.

    3 people found this helpful

  • (5/5)

    5 people found this helpful

    Just so there’s no mucking about, let me say up front that it is a rare and fleeting pleasure to read Angela Nagle. She is delightfully well read, distills the nonsense of the world calmly and directly, never loses her dispassionate center, and doesn’t descend into pop culture citations. She is effortlessly authoritative. Would there were more like her.In Kill All Normies, things online have gone unaccountably negative. The internet was supposed to be a giant uplifting community party. Instead, it is a morass of trolls, alt-right, and out and out hatred, from racists to neonazis to feminazis. Even the arts have turned negative, and to criticize them as such just makes you outmoded – and subject to vicious threats. “The whole online sensibility is more in the spirit of foul-mouthed comment-thread trolls than it is of bible study, more Fight Club than family values, more in line with the Marquis de Sade than Edmund Burke. “ Her criticism of her own generation stings. They “come from an utterly intellectual shut-down world of Tumblr and trigger warnings, and the purging of dissent in which they have only learned to recite jargon.” They couldn’t even debate the hollow showman Milo Yiannopoulos; they could only prevent him speaking.We are approaching anarchy. The right is at least as fractured and disorganized as the left. There is no longer any typical or classical right; every individual colors it their own way. So despite Republicans’ control of all the levels of government, they continue to fight amongst themselves and make no headway in their agenda. Because they can’t even agree on the agenda. Nagle takes an entire chapter to deconstruct the character Milo Yiannopoulos, who embodies all the contradictions in one neat package. The feeling you’re left with is that barriers to entry need to at least exist. Today, the internet offers equal time and space to every flavor of hate and ignorance going.Nagle doesn’t go far enough. Unsaid is that all of her characters have one thing in common: a tiny bit of power. It is easier to wield negative power than positive power, so they armchair jockey hatred, and laugh at their own cruelty. It is ignorant and outrageous, and that is the whole point. It is a deadly combination of too much time and too little future. The other thing unsaid is that it is infinitesimal. Almost none of the characters has real fame, much less popularity or value. They are their own audience, insignificant in the scheme of things. The occasional Milo is a shooting star than soon fades to black. I look forward to Nagle leveraging her talents into a deeper examination of a heavier issue. This is a terrific intro.David Wineberg

    5 people found this helpful

  • (2/5)
    This has some good information and it's nice to have a 3rd perspective on, how should I say, the topography of the far-right internet. However, there were no major themes and the writing was frequently confusing.
  • (5/5)

    5 people found this helpful

    an unapologetic history of liberal identity politics and the Alt Right, and the cultural battle that ensued. This book is not too terribly biased towards any political direction and is interesting no matter your political affiliation.

    5 people found this helpful

  • (3/5)

    2 people found this helpful

    if u read this book then you're a normie sorry it's the truth. I haven't read it I'm just assuming. normie

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  • (3/5)

    1 person found this helpful

    I'm ambivalent about Kill All Normies. The subject is important, and Nagle provides a reasonable history and framework for understanding the online cultures of both the right and the left. Nagle, herself a leftist, offers cogent critiques of the left in particular. But there is a paucity to the book's substance: The prose is hurried, which, given its publication in 2017 on the heels of the 2016 election and Trump's inauguration, should be unsurprising. Still, one doesn't expect to see Peter Thiel's name misspelled, and a number of similar spelling and grammar faux-pas undermine the text's gravitas, and the pleasure of reading it. Further, there are no notes or reference lists, which would be of interest to the curious reader. There is the germ of a greater book in Kill All Normies, but it didn't quite achieve it.

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