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Story App Chat 7/22/12
Topic for 7/22/12 #storyappchat: How Do You Define Success for Your Story App?

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Sounds like a great topic tonight. #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:03 | JumbleBugs

I'm here David! Not stuck in traffic this time. :-) #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:03 | JulieFHedlund

@cynthianugent Welcome Cynthia! Glad to see you here tonight. and @JumbleBugs and @JulieFHedlund! Glad you're not in traffic! #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:04 | DavidBFox

I picked tonight's 'open mic' topic ... so, how do you define success for a story app? #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:04 | iPad_storytime

Tonight @iPad_storytime and I will be your hosts. @Brooks_Jones is out for tonight (we miss her!) #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:05 | DavidBFox

RT @iPad_storytime: I picked tonights open mic topic ... so, how do you define success for a story app? #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:05 | DavidBFox

We want to have a strong series of apps and develop a loyal audience. #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:06 | JumbleBugs

@iPad_storytime can you tell us more about that? Obvious answer might be "if it sells a lot", but that's too simple, right? #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:06 | DavidBFox

My wife created these characters as toys a long time ago so success would to have people become Jumble Bugs fans. #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:07 | JumbleBugs

Obviously I'm hoping it sells so I can quit my crappy day job but I know for sure it will not happen overnight. #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:07 | JumbleBugs

if the kids like it. when I showed an elem class my animated trailer, they all screamed again! at the end http://t.co/UlCP3Erp #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:08 | cynthianugent

Right now having a fun project to collaborate on is a success of its own. #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:08 | JumbleBugs

@JumbleBugs Good point. So, if not "overnight", how long are you willing to invest in this endeavor? #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:08 | DavidBFox

I find that storyapp content creators define success in many different ways, not just the obvious $ goal, which can vary a lot #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:08 | iPad_storytime

While everyone will have their own measures of success, are there more widely accepted/commercial ones? #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:08 | bnemedia

@cynthianugent I missed myself there too! Hopefully next year I'll have something awesome to demonstrate there #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:10 | DavidBFox

Often I see devs who are happy w/ their app's performance while another dev w/ equal or better sales is disappointed ... #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:10 | iPad_storytime

So we are bracing ourselves for the long haul and working towards a payoff down the road like @davidbfox said #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:10 | JumbleBugs

There are so many new skills to acquire, you have to be in it for the love of creating things because it's a long game #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:11 | cynthianugent

I have plans for a series of #apps, so I would think 3-5 yrs would be minimum. #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:12 | JulieFHedlund

@iPad_storytime I think most developers hope for 100Ks of sales right out the door. Verrrry rare. #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:12 | DavidBFox

So more disappointment w/hi expectations that aren't met. #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:12 | DavidBFox

One short term goal is to get our first app to pay for the second one. #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:13 | JumbleBugs

I think everyone's hinting towards the fact that app success doesn't come when devs only release one app. Agree? #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:13 | bnemedia

@JumbleBugs I think that's everyone's goal. We don't want these businesses to be money sinks, no matter how much we love them. #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:13 | bnemedia

@bnemedia Definitely agree. We released our first one 2 weeks ago and were hard at work on writing #2 this weekend. #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:14 | JumbleBugs

@bnemedia agreed. You need a lot of high quality apps, not only to learn how to do it, but to create and build a following. #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:14 | DavidBFox

Maya Angelou "Success is liking yourself, what you do, and how you do it" #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:14 | cynthianugent

@DavidBFox I feel backlist becomes very important in app success. #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:15 | bnemedia

@bnemedia Yes, and a backlist that keeps getting updated as you learn more about creating apps #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:16 | DavidBFox

@Julia_Brannon Hi Julie! Welcome! We're discussing "how do you define success for a story app?" #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:17 | DavidBFox

@JumbleBugs I'm not holding my breath that the crowd will get thinner :) #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:18 | Julia_Brannon

@cynthianugent we used @demibooks composer. it fits my wife's strengths #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:18 | JumbleBugs

@bnemedia I think a 1-app success story is nearly impossible at this point, but multiple apps seems more viable ... #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:18 | iPad_storytime

@iPad_storytime do most dev's you hear from think it will be instant success? #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:18 | JumbleBugs

@JumbleBugs hah! Yes, I think that happens all the time. People stop developing if they don't "make it" within their window #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:18 | DavidBFox

@Julia_Brannon i know, just a dream... #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:19 | JumbleBugs

@iPad_storytime Which is why this isn't a one-off product business. We need to keep building and growing. #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:19 | bnemedia

@iPad_storytime what examples are people using to think they will hit it big on the first one? no paper books even do that #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:20 | JumbleBugs

@DavidBFox #storyappchat hi everybody
23-Jul-12 01:20 | ruBORED

@Julia_Brannon @JumbleBugs I'd be delighted w/ thinning crowd of books, but no sign of that yet ... too easy to publish? #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:20 | iPad_storytime

There's a difference between desire to have work seen&appreciated, and sales. the former is my strongest motivation. #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:20 | cynthianugent

Hi y'all! #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:20 | sumrthyme

Of course, we'd want to break even with our development costs, and then come out ahead. But it might take multiple apps... #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:20 | DavidBFox

Hi #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:21 | RobinaArt

@JumbleBugs @iPad-storytime Maybe b/c publishers expect big sales right away - so that is permeating into #apps? #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:21 | JulieFHedlund

@RobinaArt Hi! Welcome to story app chat. #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:21 | Julia_Brannon

@DavidBFox How costly is app development? #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:22 | sumrthyme

@RobinaArt Hi Robin! Is this your first time here? And welcome @theipodteacher! #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:22 | DavidBFox

@Julia_Brannon Agreed. And I also think it's harder for #storyapps b/c they tend not to have "in-app" purchases #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:22 | JulieFHedlund

Defining success is vital to whole app plan. It's not unreasonable to try to break even, at minimum, but market-research ... #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:23 | iPad_storytime

@JulieFHedlund Yes, and even game app makers are having a tougher time of it now. #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:23 | Julia_Brannon

And to do that quality MUST be at the forefront, even though quantity is a goal. #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:23 | JumbleBugs

@sumrthyme huge range in price for app development... if you can do a lot yourself and use existing story app tools, #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:23 | DavidBFox

@cynthianugent #storyappchat I love your trailer. Very cute.
23-Jul-12 01:24 | ruBORED

@sumrthyme then it's your time, learning curve, and art if you're not an artist (could be hundreds or thousands of dollars) #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:24 | DavidBFox

... may reveal constraints on how complex app can be as result, we need a "less is more" attitude for enhanced books sometimes #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:24 | iPad_storytime

First time and new to twitter #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:24 | RobinaArt

#storyappchat One way I have seen app developers spread the word is by offering promo codes to people for reviewing their books. @JumbleBugs Interesting. I'm experimenting w\ Kwiksher & beta robot media composer.http://www.robotmedia.net/tag/storybuilder/ #storyappchat

23-Jul-12 01:24 | theipodteacher

23-Jul-12 01:24 | cynthianugent

@RobinaArt my wife Emily says hello, she knows you from the @demibooks forum. #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:27 | JumbleBugs

@JulieFHedlund we use Corona. It's a cross-platform app creation environment for iOS and Android #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:27 | DavidBFox

@RobinaArt Using demibooks is a great way to start and keep costs down since it's your time #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:28 | DavidBFox

I created a template for authors & illustrators to dev #storyapp proposals. Have list of e-publishers & app tool providers... #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:28 | JulieFHedlund

... as a bonus document. Will keep updating it as necessary. I will look into Corona, as that is not one I have on list #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:29 | JulieFHedlund

RT @theipodteacher: One way I have seen developers spread the word is by offering promocodes to people for reviewing... #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:29 | Julia_Brannon

Since dev costs can vary from $1-100K, 'market success' is hard to determine - chart-toppers don't reveal cost to publish. #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:29 | iPad_storytime

Yes, another flash person, met Emily on demibook forum #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:29 | RobinaArt

MT @iPad_storytime: Since dev costs vary from $1-100K, success is hard to determine-chart-toppers dont reveal cost to publish. #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:30 | JulieFHedlund

@DavidBFox thank you David! that is so much easier #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:30 | cynthianugent

@JulieFHedlund Corona is a tool... Kwik (Kwiksher) outputs their code to it also http://t.co/p3mvPJew #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:30 | DavidBFox

RT @DavidBFox: @RobinaArt Using demibooks is a great way to start and keep costs down since its your time #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:30 | Julia_Brannon

RT @DavidBFox: to help follow this chat, best to use tweetchat: http://t.co/vDSnlo2a #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:31 | iPad_storytime

When bar is set at Morris Lessmore & Disney apps with big budgets, seems hard to compete? #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:31 | JulieFHedlund

RT @DavidBFox: If you're hiring someone to do it all for you, then $1-2K up to $35K to $100K. Hard to say. #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:31 | iPad_storytime

Using tools like Demibooks lets you cut development time to 1-2 months (or less if you already have the story/art) #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:33 | DavidBFox

MT @DavidBFox: @JulieFHedlund ..simplify your app. Dont try to do a Lessmore to start. Less may be more in this case! #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:33 | Julia_Brannon

Ive just discovered teacher librarians show book trailers to their classes. trailers are great way to entice to yr app #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:33 | cynthianugent

Each app has it's own style and place #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:34 | RobinaArt

@JulieFHedlund Can you expect to win a jackpot after dropping your first coin in a slot machine? #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:34 | DavidBFox

@DavidBFox I think keeping it simple to start is smart. But do ppl now expect a "Lessmore" experience from all apps? #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:34 | JulieFHedlund

@JulieFHedlund It's unrealistic to compete w/ Disney, it's like a new author defining success as out-doing Seuss, in print. #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:34 | iPad_storytime

MT @cynthianugent: Ive just discovered teacher librarians show book trailers to their classes.trailers are great way to entice #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:35 | Julia_Brannon

@DavidBFox Oh. I have Kwiksher on my list, so I guess that covers Corona? #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:35 | JulieFHedlund

@DavidBFox Good point! :-) #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:35 | JulieFHedlund

@JulieFHedlund Many parents want a simple book app for bedtime...or a storybook app with just a good story. #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:35 | Julia_Brannon

@JulieFHedlund You can't use Kwiksher without having Corona installed, so yes, kind of covers it. #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:35 | DavidBFox

Best quote of the year, re: storyapps MT: @DavidBFox "Don't try to do a Lessmore to start. Less may be more in this case!" #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:36 | iPad_storytime

#storyappchat I loved lessmore. The 2nd book they did wasn't as good. I believe people want good books, with or without the bells/whistles!

23-Jul-12 01:36 | theipodteacher

@JulieFHedlund I like Morris Lessmore too but sometimes we just want a quiet story book app. #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:37 | Julia_Brannon

@JulieFHedlund Most users expect more polished experience now; natural evolution ... barrier to new devs gets higher as result #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:38 | iPad_storytime

:-) RT @Julia_Brannon: @JulieFHedlund I like Morris Lessmore too but sometimes we just want a quiet story book app. #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:38 | JulieFHedlund

Or some benchmarks you are setting your sights for in the near future? #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:38 | JumbleBugs

@cynthianugent there's also an educator's discount price for a Corona license #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:38 | DavidBFox

RT @JumbleBugs: What are some other small but important benchmarks of success some of you have achieved? #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:38 | iPad_storytime

MT @cynthianugent: Ive discovered teacher librarians show book trailers to classes. trailers are great way to entice to yr app #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:39 | JulieFHedlund

@JumbleBugs Big one is building a brand, a good reputation for quality #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:39 | DavidBFox

My benchmarks are to find a publisher for my app series (in discussions now). Not an illustrator so need art... #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:40 | JulieFHedlund

@JumbleBugs Also for our apps, since they're based on existing books, broader exposure is a goal. Again, building the brand #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:40 | DavidBFox

one success for me=understanding and being able to use the technology. Very steep learning curve for my tiny mind. PUff pant #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:40 | cynthianugent

... Until I partner with an e-publisher, will be hard to set time frame. BUT also working on 2 ebooks with another partner #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:41 | JulieFHedlund

@JulieFHedlund we used http://t.co/h7Q8j5fT to find an illustrator #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:41 | JumbleBugs

MT @cynthianugent:success for me=understanding and being able to use the technology. Steep learning curve for my tiny mind. #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:41 | JulieFHedlund

@JumbleBugs @bnemedia Many devs listen only to app stories like 'angry birds' ... reality is shocking let-down. #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:42 | iPad_storytime

@cynthianugent our chat from a couple of weeks ago talked about different dev tools, many are easy to use http://t.co/P0Z9hQlL #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:42 | DavidBFox

@iPad_storytime So, we have another 49 to go :-) #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:44 | DavidBFox

One small benchmark of success we achieved was having a video sent to us from a non-family/friend kid enjoying the app. #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:44 | JumbleBugs

@JulieFHedlund we evaluate illustrators based on how their illustrations move us. We have to LOVE their work first. #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:45 | DavidBFox

MT @DavidBFox: @iPad_storytime they dont listen to the whole story..Rovio developed 51 games before hittingitbig w/AngryBirds #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:45 | Julia_Brannon

Awesome! MT @JumbleBugs: One benchmark of success was having a video sent to us from a non-family/friend kid enjoying the app. #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:45 | JulieFHedlund

@DavidBFox Yes, I think I may be over thinking it too much! :-) #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:46 | JulieFHedlund

@DavidBFox haha, 49 to go. that's a good mantra! #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:46 | JumbleBugs

JumbleBugs ask them if you can put video on website #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:46 | RobinaArt

@cynthianugent I like 'learning-curve' goals. Guaranteed success & valuable to be on cutting edge of new field while learning! #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:46 | iPad_storytime

Some trailer heaven: http://t.co/ul2tuCnC #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:47 | cynthianugent

@JulieFHedlund we've always had a visceral positive reaction to art. If we're have to think about it, then that's not it #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:48 | DavidBFox

For those who are published, was there one thing that happened where you said "that is a nice success"? #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:48 | JumbleBugs

@JumbleBugs we'd be fine, though, if it only took 5-10 :-) #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:48 | DavidBFox

@DavidBFox 'angry birds' profit/success as goal is combo of ignorance/greed/wishful thinking, imho - big pet peeve of mine! #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:49 | iPad_storytime

RT @DavidBFox: @JulieFHedlund weve always had a visceral positive reaction to art. If we have to think about it, thats not it #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:49 | JulieFHedlund

Review from a kid: this was a really helpful book it made me feel like a someone and really helped in my public school! #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:52 | DavidBFox

@DavidBFox Wow that's a great one #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:53 | JumbleBugs

@DavidBFox that can mean much more than a good review from an app review site since it means we're delivering to tweens #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:53 | DavidBFox

MT @DavidBFox: Review from a kid: this was a really helpful book..made me feel like someone and..helped in my public school! #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:54 | Julia_Brannon

We have 25 unique #top10 lists that can be like an 'award' for picture book apps: http://t.co/CLgqr6th #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:54 | iPad_storytime

success=seeing a kid laugh at yr jokes. Discovered gr 2-3 are my people. They laugh themselves silly. Gr4 just stare solemnly #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:54 | cynthianugent

RT @iPad_storytime: We have 25 unique #top10 lists that can be like an award for picture book apps: http://t.co/khgEBVYL #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:55 | JulieFHedlund

Love this! MT @DavidBFox: Review from a kid: "this was a really helpful book it made me feel like a someone ..." #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:55 | iPad_storytime

RT @iPad_storytime: We have 25 unique #top10 lists that can be like an 'award' for picture book apps: http://t.co/CLgqr6th #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:55 | DavidBFox

@cynthianugent hah! #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:56 | DavidBFox

@cynthianugent That's hilarious ... I worked with grades 5th and up as an educator & always liked that they were so blunt. ;-) #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:56 | iPad_storytime

@cynthianugent For me it's always grade 5! :-) #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:56 | JulieFHedlund

I see we have just a few minutes left... wow, time flew by again. Any questions/comments anyone wants to make? #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:56 | DavidBFox

RT @iPad_storytime: We have 25 unique #top10 lists that can be like an award for picture book apps: http://t.co/ZJsTb0hT #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:57 | Julia_Brannon

This topic has been helpful and I will be back for more #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 01:58 | RobinaArt

Argh! Missed the last fifteen minutes of #storyappchat. It was lovely chatting with everyone, as always. Can't wait for the transcript.
23-Jul-12 02:00 | bnemedia

Most story-creators also need to feel their work is valued. Connecting w/ readers is key; making money frosts the cake. #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 02:00 | iPad_storytime

Thanks everyone for another great chat! #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 02:00 | Julia_Brannon

And thanks, Carisa, for the great topic idea! #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 02:00 | DavidBFox

If anyone has a request for a future topic, please tweet it with the hashtag: #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 02:01 | DavidBFox

@50 I saw value of being cog in literacy machine w\teachers,pubs,librarians-Not just personal success. LIteracy= free society.#storyappchat
23-Jul-12 02:02 | cynthianugent

Thanks to my cohost @DavidBFox! Wonderful chat tonight and lots of food for thought. :) #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 02:02 | iPad_storytime

Yes ... please suggest ideas!!! RT @DavidBFox: If anyone has a request for a future topic, please tweet it with the hashtag: #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 02:03 | iPad_storytime

RT @iPad_storytime: We have 25 unique #top10 lists that can be like an 'award' for picture book apps: http://t.co/CLgqr6th #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 02:04 | ruBORED

RT @DavidBFox: If you got here late, or missed the chat, we'll be posting a transcript at http://t.co/G5dujosY by tomorrow #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 02:04 | iPad_storytime

#gamedev friends: right now, #storyappchat is a valuable tag to check out if you're interested in making kids apps / storybooks.
23-Jul-12 02:19 | McFunkypants

@DavidBFox a request for a future #storyappchat topic: APIs and engines from a coder's pov. Cross plat? Native or html5? Production tools?
23-Jul-12 02:26 | McFunkypants

RT @McFunkypants #gamedev friends: right now, #storyappchat is a valuable tag to check out if you're interested ... http://t.co/M6XZJ5KS
23-Jul-12 03:25 | GameDevRobot

@JulieFHedlund I am an illustrator. What do u need? #storyappchat
23-Jul-12 03:55 | WillowRaven