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According to many spiritual teachers, all human beings are, in reality, spiritual beings on a human journey. We reincarnate as human beings in order to evolve as souls. Our ultimate aim is to become fully conscious and capable as unique individual expressions of All That Is. It is a long journey, but that’s okay because the soul is eternal.
The soul’s journey is really a process of evolving. This means growing in consciousness, steadily progressing through different levels or stages of consciousness. How do we grow in consciousness? Through taking on challenging experiences in physical form. These cause us to make important, “soul-searching” choices and call upon us to discover our inner resources. But why in physical form? Why would a perfectly happy spiritual being decide to inhabit the physical realm with all of its limitations and difficulties? It is precisely so that we can experience the state of what feels like total separation from others and from the rest of reality. Only by going into this physically separated human form can we know ourselves as beings in our own right, and not just as … well … undifferentiated blobs of energy. Being physical throws our experiences and choices into extremely sharp relief in a way that is not possible otherwise. This is how we learn who we are and how to become all that we are. In other words:
Choice and the ramifications of choice provide the essential lessons of life. In a very real sense, you choose to be here in order to make choices. Messages from Michael
The 35 Steps
We are here to know ourselves and be all we can be, step by step. And according to the teachings of the entity known as Michael, there are 35 steps to the reincarnational process. The body and personality you have now are merely the vehicles you have chosen for this latest step in your journey. But why 35 steps? Why not 36 steps? Or 10? Or 100? It is simply because, according to Michael, we go through five major stages of evolution through reincarnation. And, within each stage there are seven increments or levels to be completed. (Yes, it is rather like a computer game.) 5 x 7 = 35.
Each single step requires a whole lifetime to complete. In fact, each step usually requires more than one lifetime. Typically, the entire journey of 35 steps takes well over a hundred lifetimes. So let’s look at the journey in more detail. We’ll start with the five major stages of soul evolution through reincarnation.
The Five Stages
The Michael teachings describe a sequence of five “cycles” or stages of soul evolution. They are named after the stages of human development:
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Stage 1: The INFANT Soul Stage 2: The BABY Soul [also known as CHILD Soul] Stage 3: The YOUNG Soul Stage 4: The MATURE Soul Stage 5: The OLD Soul
Each of these five corresponds to a specific level of development in capability and self-awareness within the individual soul. Each stage is also characterised by a different learning focus that is more subtle than the previous ones.
Incidentally, the same pattern of soul evolution has been identified by the hypnotherapist Michael Newton (right). His groundbreaking research was published in the best-selling book Journey of Souls: Case Studies of Life Between Lives (Llewellyn, 1994). The books by Newton and his students draw upon thousands of transcripts of people who, under hypnotic regression, have re-experienced being between lives. From the higher perspective of their soul they are able to explain what happens after death and before birth. This includes information about the levels of consciousness through which reincarnating souls evolve.
yellow. for example. what changes is not the physical form but the mode of consciousness. especially the form of self-awareness and — as a result — the way of relating to others. from Level I to Level V.What Newton and others have discovered is that souls between lives exist in light-form. These can be mapped onto the five stages given in the Michael teachings. from Infant soul to Old soul. Although the spectrum is a continuum. caterpillar. souls in the middle (or third) stage of reincarnation are referred to as “Young souls” in the Michael teachings and they are at what Newton would call “Level III”. both Newton and the Michael entity also identify higher levels of soul evolution which do not involve reincarnation. Dr. They will have a yellowish or golden hue. butterfly.) The stages of reincarnation (or soul age) can also be likened to the stages of metamorphosis we see in nature. blue. The spectrum begins at white (all colours) but then goes through red. Newton has found that it can be divided into five distinct stages or levels of evolvement. . The oldest souls — those nearing the end of the whole reincarnational cycle — have a blueish hue. The least evolved souls — the “newbies” — have a pinkish hue. to deep purple and violet. chrysalis. though. green. So. From low frequency to high frequency. such as egg. In reincarnation. and that each soul emanates a particular colour of the spectrum which indicates its current level of consciousness. (As an aside.
[Well-known example: Fred West. They flourish in simple environments close to nature. Psychologically. Infant souls focus on immediate survival needs. and may even be deemed to be psychopathic or have some sort of developmental disorder. such as remote tribes or rural. they do not fit well within modern society and may end up in prison or in psychiatric units. As such. they are capable of committing antisocial or immoral acts without any sense of wrongdoing. 1.Soul age and personality Soul age will affect how a personality comes across in certain ways. Because they lack both social understanding and self-inhibition. however. serial killer] . social graces and cultural understanding of older souls. impulsive and “pre-conventional”. they can come across as uncivilised simpletons or yokels. acting on impulse or habit with little or no thought for consequences. While infant souls may lack the moral principles. they are in a sense completely innocent. In the context of modern society. being without pretense or agenda. they are naive. pastoral settings.
Bad behaviour is sinful. including their own. Both their beliefs and their actions are largely rule-bound. though they have little insight into the motives behind them. and mindful of law and order. They come across to older souls as rather “square” – conscientious.2. security. orthodox. religiously devout. power. upright. conventional. Baby soul communities tend to be highly principled and civilised (think of the Amish). worldly. [Well-known example: Jimmy Swaggart] 3. outward-bound. so they are often ultra-conservative. They are more ego-driven than personalities at any other soul age. structure and order — rigidly so. fortune. frenetically energetic. and that’s that. That said. and break the rules themselves — but then might find themselves tortured with guilt and shame. Their lives are about safety. and follow their own agenda. political. ambitious and individualistic. conformist. think a great deal about their actions. In fact. brash. in contrast to Infant souls. with a certainty that their own way is by far the best way. competitive. They are generally attracted to some form of worldly success — fame. assert their own opinions. They are acutely aware of the rights and wrongs of people’s actions. traditionalist. or temper tantrum. Baby souls. moralistic. they will occasionally give in to temptation. they . keen to prove themselves in the world at large. glory. They like to think for themselves. Young souls tend to be extravert.
they can empathise with whoever holds those same values. but capable of accommodating multiple perspectives. To younger souls. Politically. their awareness is no longer egocentric (in the sense of being limited to a single perspective). mature souls tend to be liberal and inclusive. This tension between ego and egotranscendence. Yet on the other hand. reflective and sincere within themselves. This disappearance of solid ground kicks off a search for deeper meaning and selfunderstanding — whether through art. and disapprove of any kind of narrow chauvinism. makes life much more complicated — sometimes overwhelmingly so. Psychologically. Young souls are acutely aware of their own goals and intentions but do not really question them. [Well known example: Barack Obama. They tend to question everything. philosophy or spirituality. the self-serving ego comes to be seen as a problem. mature souls reject narrow-minded values. they can come across as bleeding-heart liberals. On the one hand. Fixed opinions are replaced by a sense of ever-shifting perspectives — “It all depends on how you look at it”.] 4. Mature souls tend to be thoughtful. [Well-known example: Napoléon Bonaparte. or between having both a personal agenda and a desire to be more open and authentic. and are prone to do a lot of soul-searching (literally). something to be overcome — though in reality it is more a case of incorporating it into a broader level of awareness.are more fearful of death than souls at other stages.] . psychology. and sensitive and empathetic towards others. In fact. and those who aren’t sure about life after death may be anxious to make a big impact on the world stage – to create some kind of symbolic immortality for themselves. including their own motives.
gravitas or wisdom that is quite unmistakable. measured. consciously participating in the evolution of all-that-is. unattached to social structures and cultural expectations. . they tend to go their own unique way in life. In reality. A person at the start of the Mature stage. there is a gradual blend from one stage to the next. As such. being sure of their own existence and inner strengths and their compassion for others. untroubled and stable. but not of it. letting go and letting be. will act mostly like a Young soul but with elements of Mature soul nature beginning to emerge. in a detached way that may seem very weird and eccentric to younger souls. Their focus is on true self-expression and fulfillment. [Well-known example: Osho] Note: These descriptions emphasise the differences between stages.5. They are relatively calm. Having moved beyond the conflicts of the mature soul. for example. though. they are also lighter and have a sense of joyous freedom — the freedom to enjoy being very much in the world. OId souls tend to exude some degree of depth. Late-stage old souls often focus on teaching spiritual wisdom with great compassion.
At this first stage we are largely in a state of incompetence and terror. An infant soul would therefore not understand the choices of an old soul although an older soul would likely have more understanding of the nature of younger soul choice having had them. complete novices at physical existence. together with the typical learning experiences associated with each stage: So we begin reincarnating as Infant souls.The lessons of each stage Here are the five stages of soul evolution through human reincarnation. . We steadily progress from being Infant souls to Baby souls to Young souls to Mature souls. we enter the fifth stage as accomplished Old souls. and as old souls choices having to do with the nature of oneness with the Tao. as young souls choices having to do with mastery of achievement. the experts of human existence. as baby souls choices having to do with moral codes and ethics. But through experiences and choices we learn and grow. Finally. as mature souls choices having to do with relationships. As infant souls we learned about choices having to do with survival. frankly.
. The Baby Soul Stage 3. The Old Soul Soul levels in the human population The six or seven billion people on the planet span the whole range of stages. The Mature Soul Stage 5. The Infant Soul Stage 2. this world is currently dominated by Young souls whose primary focus is competitive self-advancement.Michael. via Victoria Marina To look at each stage in more detail see: Stage 1. In other words. but the average is said to be somewhere just past the mid-point of stage 3 (see chart below). The Young Soul Stage 4.
For example. The later steps are about expressing those lessons. the last three steps — 5th level Young soul to 7th level Young soul — are about demonstrating the meaning of free . and so on. Calling these “levels” can be a bit confusing (since Newton refers to the five major stages as “levels”). then undertake step 2 as Infant souls. learn that lesson. In the Michael teachings. learning the essential lessons through appropriate experiences. For example. the first three steps — from 1st level Young soul to 3rd level Young soul — are about discovering the meaning of free will and self-determination. we begin the whole journey at step 1 as Infant souls. so I sometimes prefer to call them “steps”. The early steps in any stage are about experiencing life at this new stage of evolution. demonstrating this level of consciousness in action. so in each stage we proceed from 1st level to 7th level. in the Young soul stage. they are called “levels”. On completing the 7th step of the Infant stage. we then begin the 1st step of the Baby stage.The seven steps within each stage Within each stage there are seven discrete steps to go through. So each stage of reincarnation has seven distinct learning steps.
Mastery of consciousness at this level.) The first step or level of any stage is like putting a toe in the water. Expressing this level of consciousness. making 35 steps in all from the beginning of reincarnation to the end. Burning off any karma incurred. Splashing about. though I cannot vouch for total accuracy): —BABYSOULS— 1st Level 2nd Level 3rd Level 4th Level 5th Level 6th Level 7th Level (There aren’t very many famous early baby souls. the final step is like teaching others how to swim: 1st Level 2nd Level 3rd Level 4th Level 5th Level 6th Level 7th Level Initiation into the new stage. Responsible swimming. (The middle step — 4th level Young soul — is about consolidating the lessons learned. Identification with this stage. Compare and contrast the old and new consciousness. In case you’re wondering. “Look at me!” Going public with it.will and self-determination in action. Peak performance. Ayatollah Khomeini Richard Nixon. Toe in the water. First glimpses of the new consciousness. enjoying the water. My life’s lesson is about expressing my current stage of consciousness (multi-perpective. Sarah Palin [or possibly 1st-level Young] . Building foundations. Role model. Jerry Falwell.) … … … Adolf Hitler Dick Cheney. Taking the plunge. ego-transcending). Internal integration of the new consciousness. I’m at the 5th level of the Mature soul stage. Harmonisation one’s consciousness with others. Letting go of the prior stage. Wading in and out. Relaxing into it. To give some other examples of who is where (NOTE – I have cobbled these together from various sources whom I think are reliable. Actively exploring the new consciousness. What’s next? This sequence of seven steps is repeated through each stage.
W. Bertrand Russell. Victor Hugo. Richard III (King of England). Sergei Prokofiev. Fyodor Dostoyevsky. Frédéric Chopin Hillary Clinton. Pope Paul VI. Aleister Crowley. Rachel Maddow.S. Giacomo Puccini. Silvestre Reyes (US Senator) Oliver Cromwell. Joni Mitchell. John Glenn (astronaut) —MATURESOULS— 1st Level 2nd Level 3rd Level Joseph Lieberman. Anwar Sadat. Stephen Colbert. Michel Foucoult. George Frideric Handel. St. Hector Berlioz. John Calvin. Modest Mussorgsky. Sandro Botticelli. Wesley Clark. Giuseppe Verdi. 5th Level 6th Level 7th Level . Tzu-Hsi (last Empress of China) W. “The Terrible” (Tsar of Russia) Ronald Reagan. Ivan IV. Ralph Nader. Virginia Woolf. Eliot. Roosevelt Judi Dench. Francisco de Goya. Jean Auguste Dominique Ingres. Plato. Jacques Luis David. Dag Hammarskjöld. Vincent van Gogh.B. Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky. Charles I (King of England). A. Rumi. Desmond Tutu. Charles II (King of England). Eugene McCarthy. Miguel de Cervantes. 5th. Gen. Tina Turner. Princess Diana. 6th and 7th level Mature. the the arts and philosophy frequently serve as vehicles for soul-searching and self-examination as souls proceed through the Mature stage. Gioachino Rossini. Yeats. Susan B Anthony (19C feminist) Jon Stewart. Peter the Great (Emperor of Russia). T. Richard Wagner. Franklin D. Anaïs Nin. Jean Sibelius. Tammy Fae Bakker Niccolò Machiavelli. Joseph Merrick (“the Elephant Man”). Leonard Cohen. Claudius (Emperor of Rome). Henry IV (King of England) George W. Elizabeth Cady Stanton (19C feminist) John Lennon. Victor Frankl. Mozart. Anne Rice. Jacques Cousteau. Immanuel Kant Michael Jackson. Percy Bysshe Shelley. Bush. Louis XIV (King of France). Monty Roberts (horse whisperer) Barack Obama has been variously given as 4th. Catherine the Great (Empress of Russia). Dale Carnegie From here on. barry Prince William. Michelangelo. Sam Neill. William Shakespeare. Robert Ballard (oceanographer). Andrew Cohen. Dominic.—YOUNGSOULS— 1st Level 2nd Level 3rd Level 4th Level 5th Level 6th Level 7th Level Jim Bakker. 4th Level Michelle Obama.
William Blake. Ammachi John Muir.—OLDSOULS— The arts continue to attract Old souls in the early levels. Robert Redford. Lorenzo de’Medici Harrison Ford. the expression of spiritual connectedness becomes more central and more explicit. Ken Keyes. Don Juan Matus. J. Pope John XXIII Alice Miller. Pema Chodron Carl Jung. Arthur C. Leonardo da Vinci. Mark Twain. Igor Stravinsky. Thich Nhat Hanh. Clare Graves Ken Wilber. Neem Karoli Baba From here. Alice Walker. Tommy Lee Jones. Gangaji. Robin Williams. Walt Whitman. Krishnamurti. Anandamayima. Clarke. Paul Gauguin. Andrew Weil. Heinlein Whoopie Goldberg. Don Beck. James Taylor. Eric Clapton. Ramana Maharshi. Ludwig van Beethoven. Gene Hackman. Carlos Castaneda.S. Robert A. but there is a growing emphasis on discovering one’s path to selfactualisation and self-transcendence as an individual expression of something greater. Bach. 1st Level 2nd Level 3rd Level 4th Level 5th Level 6th Level 7th Level Christian Slater. .
And each single step requires at least one lifetime to complete. For example. Hence. of the order of days. The whole journey of 35 steps usually takes well over 100 lifetimes. Taking into account all the gaps spent in the non-physical state between lives.000 years. the whole journey is likely to take of the order of 7. but possibly a lot more if the population is low and opportunities to incarnate are few. Also. weeks or months.000-8. A single step can be done in one lifetime but often that’s too big a stretch. for karmic reasons. some lives are undertaken for reasons other than the specific intent to develop. and the soul will just have to start over in the next life. And some lives are taken on primarily for the death experience. one lifetime might be undertaken primarily to assist another soul in their development. Sometimes a life is interrupted. There are 35 steps in all. followed by one or two more which really go for it. we start our evolutionary journey at level 1 of stage I (as “1st Level Infant souls”) and end it at level 7 of stage 5 (as “7th Level Old souls”). . These can be very short.Many lives So. so an initial life may undertaken as a taster. a single step is typically accomplished in about 100-300 years of Earth time.
This is the ultimate way to experience oneself as a self. You are playing the game because you want to. And that’s why we are here? . Who says? There’s no tyrannical deity controlling the game. albeit with little sense of self. and at some level you actually love it. A baby human cannot suddenly take on a professional career or family responsibilities. all is love. And you know perfectly that you need to master one level before you can move on to the next level. Any soul can choose to continue being submerged in all-that-is. at the level of spirit or essence. Why don’t we just give up and be done with it? Can’t I just decide that this is my last time? You cannot skip any of the steps. How does it do that? By fragmenting into zillions of conscious entities. nor would you want to (from the soul’s perspective). all is one. But why? What’s it all about? Well. all is joy. A tadpole cannot suddenly transform into a full-grown frog. forcing you to keep at it. And we’ve all signed up for it. You wouldn’t rent a movie but then skip to the final credits just to avoid the whole process of sitting through the movie. but consciousness longs to experience more and more of what there is to experience. each of whom has its own experiences and perspective. deciding who gets to “graduate” and who doesn’t. inevitable sequence to go through. It’s just the natural dynamic of life and the evolution of consciousness. it’s more like a computer game.Questions and Answers Coming back again and again sounds dreadful. the utter richness and fullness of life. In fact. This is all very nice. Alternatively. interacting with other souls in their own physical forms. any soul can choose to undergo the experience of life in a separate physical form. There’s a natural. and each of whom can make its own choices about what to experience. That’s what the game is all about.
See also: • 10 things everyone should know about reincarnation PersonalitySpirituality. We begin as helpless infants for whom the experience of separate existence is quite terrifying.net . self-realised beings for whom human existence is the most amazing way of being. But we end as autonomous. feeling joyful and free and sharing love with the whole of life.We have all made this choice: to use the human form as a vehicle to help us become more conscious of ourselves as the amazing beings we are. The aim is to experience every possible experience that enables us to emerge more and more consciously and fearlessly as ourselves.
3wondering8428 Sep 2009 at 11:56 am How do we know for sure at what level we are? Reply 1. It’s relatively easy to get the major stage (infant-baby-young-mature-old) but the specific level within that is pretty subtle. I don’t think we can know for sure while incarnate. I am not lost in a false persona. I have too much inner turmoil. whereas I’d always experienced myself as a typically introverted scholar. Reply . which flattered my ego but I had to be honest with myself – it didn’t fit. Eventually I tracked down a reliable channel.67 Responses to “Reincarnation: the 35 steps of soul evolution” Feed for this Entry 1. knowing how others feel etc. Sarah Chambers (known in the books as “Jessica Lansing”). Reply 3. The issues I struggle with on a daily basis are classic mature soul issues – how to by myself while relating to others. Sure enough. detached and wise. I knew I couldn’t be infant. 1Ginger24 Aug 2009 at 10:54 pm AGAIN BEAUTIFUL!! WELL DONE ! TYVM NAMASTE’ Reply 2.” This fits very neatly as a typical 5th level focus. baby or young because I had too much self-awareness and empathy for others. However. but my centre of gravity is very much mature soul. Tobar. and I am very sensitive to how others feel and perceive. This came as a surprise as 5th level is sort of expressive. over the last 10+ years I have been through a process of discovering my “true voice”. I was in my 30s at the time – only just approaching the mid-life transition at which the true personality seeks expression. I have intuited my life’s purpose as “Finding something worth saying about life. I’m just starting to read the Michael teachings and find this to be a great resource. 2Kimberanne24 Aug 2009 at 11:17 pm Fascinating. where I can be very calm. and saying it to those who have ears to listen. Thank you for putting this together.barry -28 Sep 2009 at 1:38 pm Good question. 4. I have old soul “peaks” every now and then. It’s more a matter of observing or asking and then self-validating. I was initially told that I was an old soul. I was told that I was a 5th-level mature soul.
Dont overwhelm yourself. Level 6 sounds like where I am now. you have reached greatness. “How does my soul contribute to my human consciousness?”. But then along comes the 4th Internal Monad – the crisis point where you strive to out-grow your artificial identity and realise your true identity. Reply 0. Remember everybody we are all here for a reason. 7LEARNER/TEACHER06 May 2010 at 12:46 pm You know what -barry.4. Before that. “Why is there so much suffering on earth?”. “Is there a heaven?”. but I don’t feel the previous levels have been developed given my family history. The brain is your friend dont be afraid of it. dont let anything or anyone throw you off course. “What about physical evolution?”. The truth is found within your mind and spirit. Remember brothers and sisters dont let yourselves down its part of the test. 6barry29 Apr 2010 at 10:55 am Yeah. Reply 6. things gradually become clearer as you get past 35 or so. But the outcome is a much clearer sense of who you are and what you are about. 5La Quishia N. “Why did I make such a bad choice when I chose this ‘vehicle’ and/or this planet?”. “How . its part of your test also. “What about science vs religion?”. “How do I leave earth?”. 8D J Wray04 Aug 2010 at 4:34 am Some of the more skeptical readers will be tempted to ask questions like “How did all of this begin?”.barry Reply 5. But I definitely know I’m a mature one. “What exactly is human consciousness?”. “How will it end and what will happen to my soul?”.i do agree with you. If you understand your heart you will learn how to balance yourself with using a right amount of positive energy. I’m still young (22). “Why aren’t all highly-experienced hypnotherapists (not just a select group which includes ‘the entity known as Michael’) privy to this knowledge?”. your mind is there to help you remember right from wrong. people you will know when your at the level of accomplishment you will feel it in your heart. i guarantee you they will share theres back with you even if they have a different opinion about it. and teach what you know. . “How does this relate to our universe?”. which is partly what we’ve been conditioned into by society/culture/peers and partly what we’ve constructed in the process of becoming an adult. take your time thats why it takes a lifetime. Socializing and sharing your knowledge with all who is around you. we are steeped in an artificial identity.29 Apr 2010 at 9:26 am Hm… I don’t know myself well enough to figure it out to the specific level. Dont deprive your mind from its needs its crucial for the soul. debating is useless if it causes negativity. which can be quite a hideous time. If you can understand what the heart is telling you. “Is there a God?”. Like i said stay on course and beaware of your surroundings at all time they are there for a reason and share your knowledge its healthy for your mind. Hopefully this will become clearer in another 10 or so years (ugh!) or sooner. learn from what your taught. Being open minded and not letting the things that dont make sense get to you is where your test gets difficult. The mind and spirit are a team once you got them workin together.
Each young soul was indeed an infant soul at one point. I might seem like a skeptic but I prefer to think of myself as a realist… and to convince realists. just take a ‘real’ diagram of age structure (as in the link below). if they were’nt infant souls beforehand? i have to admit. in other words: where do all these dominating ‘young’ souls come from. perhaps you haven’t got the meaning of infant. but could you point out something in your explanation that i possibly got wrong? age structure: http://www. 11alex11 Oct 2010 at 6:46 pm maybe i used the wrong words…i meant: how can 1 soul GROW UP to be ~20 or 30 souls…it’s actually not about a precise number.eiu. how can the ‘infant’ souls (which actually have the amount=0) in the beginning. it’s a soul in the earliest stage of its own evolution in consciousness – a process that takes thousands of years of reincarnation. Reply 7. the kind of information that a worthy soul should be aware of. . I don’t get the question. 9alex11 Oct 2010 at 2:42 pm interesting article! i know that “worldy” logic is not a basis for questions on spiritual topics. Specifically.exactly does reincarnation work?”… etc. young etc in this context. but: what is the explanation for 1 infant soul turning into 20 young souls.gif Reply 1. and will eventually become an old soul. 10barry11 Oct 2010 at 2:45 pm Er. 12barry11 Oct 2010 at 7:06 pm Ah. a lot of information has to be produced. grow up to be the big amount of ‘young souls’? or. in terms of quantity?? Reply 0. i am referring to the diagram in the middle of the page. etc. Where have you got the idea that 1 soul turns into many? Reply 1. i dont know too much about this topic yet.ux1.edu/~cfruf/images/bio3002/popage4. An infant soul isn’t a person in infancy.
15barry04 Nov 2010 at 10:10 am Hi Anthony My understanding from the Michael teachings is that we keep going through another two stages beyond that of the old soul (which is the fifth stage). The seventh and final stage would be as a re-integrated collective consciousness. The sixth stage would be as guides on the astral.what happens? Do we reset and revert back to an infant soul. A 40 year old person could be an infant soul while a newborn baby could be an old soul. 14Anthony04 Nov 2010 at 9:38 am So after reading all of this. I would one day like to go to a spiritualist and see what the truth is Reply 9. we are free to choose to undergo the whole cycle again – as we did this time – for the sheer thrill of it! That would be in a whole new species. comprising all souls from our larger grouping of origin. or what Michael calls ‘entity’. not the end goal. mabye even on another “dimension” of being. Does this make sense? Reply 8. I know i am young and dont have mush experience yet but reading this article i think i may be an Old Soul around stage 4. The idea that there is some . or what I find to be a simple question.The “age” of a soul has nothing to do with the physical age of the person. 13Goo bear27 Oct 2010 at 1:26 am I’m 20 years old going on twenty and reading about soul ages has really helped me understands the way i live my life. I have to ask a simple question. Michael is one example of this stage.or do we become another type of Light or soul. But from what I can gather. Everything this article has said about Old Souls has reflected me nearly %100. The idea of having “better odds to evolve more quickly” gives the impression that evolving quickly has some sort of merit. The eternal universe doesn’t really care how quickly or slowly any soul gets from stage A to stage B – life is all about the process. Or. however. or start to inhabit a higher level of physical and intellectual beings? So much questions. and individuality – while it remains in some sense – is no longer a concern. being in fact an integrated entity consisting of 1.050 Warriors and Kings. Thats some Artisan stimulation seeking right there. as you say. maybe on another (less demanding) dimension. a ‘causal body’. we are effectively at one with the creative power of the universe (God if you like). By the end of that stage. but with better and/or odds and/or chances to more quickly evolve. After completing all stages from infant to Old soul. so much to learn. This is where I really think the Integral / Evolutionary Enlightenment camp (Andrew Cohen etc) are barking up the wrong tree. working together with our closer soul-mates. but this is not the case. and the comments. Reply 0.
and has no meaning from the point of view of spirit. due to our minds and how they function. Nick Reply 0. .urgent need to evolve now springs entirely from human fears and misconceptions. 17barry18 Nov 2010 at 11:26 pm Many thanks. Great insight here that I’ll be sharing with my listeners this weekend. 19barry28 Dec 2010 at 9:45 am If I understand correctly. and I am wondering if someone can put it into some sort of mind-friendly wording.barry Reply 11. . Nick. and that all is happening simultaneously… Confusing. I’ve been focusing on a series of shows under an umbrella I called “Signs of the End Times” and this weekend. I have seen this alluded to a couple of time. say from 20th century Europe in one life to 1st century China in the next. but here is my take on things. but for the soul it functions differently. 16Nick Nash18 Nov 2010 at 11:24 pm This was excellent and definitely resonated strongly with me as coming from Michael. . Thank you for taking the time to write and post. I found this quite fascinating. I’ve been told that our concept of time is linear. but I suspect — I cannot claim to know for sure — that this is a misinterpretation of something else. thanks Matt Reply 0. you are asking about the possibility of incarnating “out of sequence” into any time period. Blessings. 18mgrinnell25 Dec 2010 at 8:31 am Can you locate the words to describe how souls can incarnate into any period or “time”.barry Reply 10. so maybe I’m biased. or I just cannot get my head around the idea of infinite parallel universes. That there is no past and future. I have been “urged” to do 3 shows centering on the journey of the soul… so this is excellent info for my listeners and for me. The very idea of non-linear incarnation is so counterintuitive it makes my (linear) brain hurt. Either that.
that hurts! . determined by the choices we made while incarnate. The future is that which may yet be experienced. Incarnation itself is bound by the limitations of the physical plane — and by the fact that every choice is interwoven with every other choice in the universe. that was actually helpful. they experience the path of their own evolution. which is a whole different project. In other words. souls can also perceive and scrutinise the entire “tapestry” of history on the physical plane. it is fluid.) The tapestry is a visual metaphor. or even a “lost” path that wasn’t chosen – without actually being incarnate.As far as I understand it. Ow. The threads have many offshoots going in different directions. Souls can see the fixed path of the past plus all the side-paths. I feel that a part of working with our own minds is accepting a perspective that works for us at the moment. But this is not the same as actually incarnating. Different weaves are possible. but again this is like flying a simulator as opposed to flying an actual aeroplane. The tapestry of the future is not the same as the past – visually. what could have been had different choices been made. I think we would spend our whole time going back to rerun past events in different ways! Of course it’s possible that this is exactly what happens – if there are infinite parallel universes. the . This part of the tapestry is crystallised. Imagine the chaos – what if I die today but decide I want to reincarnate 100 years ago so that when I’m in my twenties I can go and kill young Adolf Hitler? Now imagine all of us being free to affect history in that way. The past is that which has actually been experienced. just as we can play a video game and experience flying an aeroplane without actually flying an aeroplane. The tapestry of the past has been woven already. showing both our collective past and our collective (but potential) future. while souls (between lives) do not experience time as we do in physical life — they just exist in the eternal “now” — they do nevertheless experience a flow from “before” to “after” – from where their consciousness has been to where their consciousness is going. even in very small ways. It consists of interweaving “threads” which represent our individual paths of evolution through incarnation. The future is all the many diverging paths we can choose from here on given what we have already chosen. set in stone. Barry- 20mgrin12 Jan 2011 at 3:45 am thanks. We cannot die in the 20th century and then reincarnate in the 1st century because it could mess up every choice made by every other being between those time periods. In addition. (I have read about souls going to special “temples” or “libraries” to do so. expanding. even if there is a subtle suspicion there is more to the story. They can also “tune in” and experience any part of the past – one’s own path. For me. Possibilities leading to possibilities leading to possibilities… Again. another’s path. or experience what it would have been like if different choices had been made – not to have committed that murder or whatever.barry Reply 0. you could tune in to a certain life in 1st century China and “relive” any part of it. both individually and collectively. For example. the soul could “inhabit” any path to experience it first hand. it looks more like fractals fanning out infinitely as the threads separate into alternative paths which have yet to be chosen.
is mostly about the emotional side of our being – emotional challenges. I’ve studied this subject and have a lot of knowledge about it now. is. 21Koen27 Jan 2011 at 7:46 pm Hello Barry. After our last incarnation we move into the sixth stage of our evolvement. Imagining.pure logic of the world as is. sensing with complete clarity another ‘before’ or previous time period. Subject to change and re-examination. located (I believe) in the upper Astral plane. and before and after in reference to personal evolution makes a lot more sense than. after experience. well. Hi Koen 22barry27 Jan 2011 at 8:26 pm Thanks for getting in touch. share experiences. in my current thinking. My big question is. . It simply does not hurt my head so much. merge in consciousness. the expansion of love both within and between souls.. This is very interesting information here on your site. as I currently understand it. growth and integration. We get together with our intimate soul groups. I can accept the notion that it is not possible to reincarnate in the past. The earth is doing its lower frequency thing. the physical one we inhabit here. Have you read my article on the Old Soul? It gives a bit of information about what happens during and after the last life there. time. is akin to the impossibility of a seed falling from a tree and recreating the orchard from which sprang the tree he fell from. The sixth stage. what’s next? I’ve heard about transcedent souls but I can’t find much about this subject. During my spiritual development I’ve met some special people. blend with love. akin to me personally revisiting a memory in my own life from a new perspective. A guru once said me that I’m a very old soul and that this is my last life as an old soul. fed by experience and growth. Anyway. soon. inhabiting in the sense of a thought form or dream. But there are still so many questions I deal with and I still have a lot to learn. What do you know about transcedent souls? Koen Reply 0. Matt Reply 12. and allow this to be my perspective at the moment. ow is right.
especially something so profound as the evolutionary state of your soul. Perhaps it is true for you.e. for a while. 24barry13 Apr 2011 at 2:12 pm Yes. Most of the individual “spirit guides” or “ascended masters” who are channelled by mediums are souls at this stage.e. that I was on my last lifetime. Confucius. Reply 13. After going through your article i could know about it. that this is the case. establishing virtuous principles to live by. compared to the more intimate and “mushy” approach of the Astral souls!) During the sixth stage. unless we choose to for some special purpose – i.. How much better to believe we are just like everyone else. It will be very helpful if you clear my doubts that does this one step/level out of seven steps of each stage takes one life each. lovingly expressing wisdom. and I have no doubts whatsoever about that. Perhaps it is a thing to say. there is no need or desire to be physical again. which are integrated large group formations going through the seventh stage on the Casual plane. I never was clear. it strikes me that an easy way for a teacher/guru to attract followers is to flatter people’s ‘spiritual egos’. 7 lives for 7 steps and to achieve the ultimate stage we have to pass through 35 lives? And after completeing this 35 steps. My first reading from a (dubious) Michael channel described me as an Old Priest – at first I was flattered. Reply 0. Their mission in each case was to inspire unruly groups of mostly baby souls to find a way to live together peacefully – by providing laws. and confusing their idea of who they are with who the person is they are talking to. such as Michael and Seth.There is also much opportunity to teach and guide those still incarnating. Perhaps it is a man or woman too consumed by the idea of being a guru. Most seekers would love to consider themselves more advanced or enlightened than the common herd.. 25gargi09 Apr 2011 at 6:26 am One astrologer told me that i am an old soul. 23mg13 Apr 2011 at 12:55 pm I had a ‘psychic’ tell me the same thing in the mid-90s. My next reading. It’s really important to try and self-validate anything we’re told by outsiders. I suspect you’d be completely clear if this were the case. but I knew it didn’t really chime. and setting a good example. I know I did. i. Gandhi are said to be examples. Moses. from a very reliable channel.e. but felt a lot of fear that it meant I had to do or be something. got me as a Mature Scholar. barry Reply 1. Messed me up for many years. It’s strange to read that someone told you the same thing. (There are also higher sources. These have a different approach to teaching – very dry and intellectual broadcasts.i. Had the affect of putting a tremendous amount of pressure on my – by me. Mohammed.five stages one will achieve Moksha? Would the person have not need to take birth further? . to help others who may be getting a bit stuck to move along. Sometimes. I was not familiar with this stages.
On completion of the fifth stage. 27Amit09 Apr 2011 at 10:08 pm Wow must say that this post is very insightful and in fact has a very practical approach! I have a few questions that have been bothering my mind for quite sometime now. 3) to the best I can analyze even animals do seem to have a soul and consciousness but prolly their consciousness is underdeveloped as compared to humans and they behave mostly on instincts. and if they don’t have one then why a more fitting animal body for some? Reply 0. I hope this helps! barry Reply 14. Humans on the other hand behave as per instincts as well as their conscious judgment that eventually develops their karmic cycle and reincarnation options. But that does not mean that you have achieved “freedom” or “liberation” from the wheel. each of which have its own experiences and perspective. as a 7th-level Old soul. So the overall process of 35 steps takes over 100 lives. typically. exactly. it is simply that physical separation no longer has anything to give you in terms of evolving. Hi gargi 26barry09 Apr 2011 at 7:02 am It takes at least one lifetime to complete a single step – usually 3 or 4 or more. just as there is no reason to go back to school once you’ve graduated. you have indeed reached the end of rebirth. I will start of with a few: As you mentioned somewhere in there that …. or as an eagle in the skies. 28barry10 Apr 2011 at 7:09 am . or a shark in the ocean for that matter.the super consciousness fragments into zillions of conscious entities. and each of which can make its own choices about what to experience. 2) Do infant souls kick start with a human body by default or can an infant soul start of with a non human body may be of an animal or plant or a virus maybe? In fact there are people who believe that the soul starts its journey from the simplest of life forms and then gradually moves up the evolution ladder where it finds a human body at top and keeps evolving thus forward. So if animals are driven by instincts how can they have a karmic cycle.Reply 0. Rather. Even within animal species there is variance. See my page on the Old soul stage for further information. like a dog is born on the street and another in a rich mans house. But common sense would say that in animal kingdom its luckier to be born as a lion in the jungle. because you were always free and you have re-experienced that freedom between all of your lives. 1) Are these fragments only of infant soul form or is there something else.
Animals don’t think like that of course. A human mind imagines that being the predator at the top of the food chain is better than being its lowly prey. but feel free to ask more! . 1) I couldnt understand the phrase…”On this planet. I hope this answers your questions. or to be sheltered rather than unsheltered. because the vehicle is far too limited for what the soul is trying to achieve (evolving through choices). i. Such consciousness has yet to evolve into the individualised soul form which we have. 2) Consciousness as a whole does evolve through the pre-human levels (matter > plant > animal). to incarnate into a blade of grass or in the body of a snake.Hi Amit To address your questions: 1) All souls begin at the beginning. there are masses of low-level consciousness. and spirit or consciousness sees as much goodness and value and love in being a vulnerable gazelle as in being a hungry lion. Each species of non-ensouled animal is said to have a collective consciousness known as a “hive soul”.e. of which there are many species).” from the evolution of an infant soul into a baby soul and eventually into an older soul with individual consciouness and decission making choices is falling pretty much in place. It’s all just part of the mix that consciousness longs to experience. Referring to one kind of physical life or body as “lucky” compared to another is meaningless from a spiritual perspective. not individualised spirits with self-awareness able to make choices. but I have two doubts. Evolving souls like you and me need bodies of a certain type (independently mobile) and with a complex brain able to support rational choices.e. just as all newly-born creatures begin as infants. of which there are many species). and lack of it is not a karmic punishment. Yes more or less I am getting the feel of what you have explained here.barry Reply 15. Karma does not apply to animal spirits because they are incapable of making rational choices – karma is a factor for individualised souls only. there are two options for individualised souls to evolve through reincarnation: humans and cetaceans (i. all souls within that group will start incarnating as 1st-level Infant souls. Such consciousness has yet to evolve into the individualised soul form which we have. but that’s just how human minds think. there are two options for individualised souls to evolve through reincarnation: humans and cetaceans (i.”Each species of non-ensouled animal is said to have a collective consciousness known as a “hive soul”. ” 2) as you said…. Rather. On this planet. even an Infant soul. 3) Yes. It isn’t “better” to be predator rather than prey. It would not serve a soul. but at those levels there are not ‘souls’ as such. If a soul group elects to embark on the journey of evolving through reincarnation. Comfort in an animal’s life is not a karmic reward. whales and dolphins.e. . whales and dolphins. as 1st-level Infant souls. 29Amit10 Apr 2011 at 8:32 am hi thanks for the reply. or that living in a luxury house is better than living on the streets.
it is more like being in a coma or deep sleep. could be a 3rd level Mature Priest with a Goal of Acceptance. repeating itself. At each level there is more differentiation (less of a uniform blob) and more dynamics than at the previous level. For any given species. 31Amit10 Apr 2011 at 1:44 pm . and gradually. At the cellular and plant levels. At the level of inanimate matter. A certain humpback whale. At the animal level there is now a loose network of simple conscious beings having independent movement but still lacking real individuality. the most complex being that of ensouled species – like human beings – who then evolve through the five stages of reincarnation. animals evolved from plants which evolved from simple cells which evolved from inanimate matter. a bit more dynamic and more differentiated than at the inanimate level. but I guess someone who is used to being a human would be pretty inept at being a whale or dolphin. animal life to sentient species. Just as in physical terms. bears. but still pretty much automatic. like water from the ocean evaporating and then turning into snowflakes. It begins at the Source as one. Generally. I believe it is possible to cross species. Reply 0. having to manage its own energy and grow and reproduce. For example. All whales and dolphins are also reincnarnating souls with conscious individual personalities. also how does it initiates its journey into the individuilised soul form that we have when it doesnt have self-awareness nor is able to make choices. there is a corresponding path of evolution for consciousness. . 2) Consciousness evolves through increasing levels of organizational complexity. the hive soul for cows consists of all the beings currently incarnating as cows. “Complex” means separated out into many types and parts. consciousness is extremely simple – barely recognisable as such. There is always new consciousness emerging into matter. the souls incarnating as cetaceans stick to those species while those incarnating as humans stick to this species. The animal level of consciousness is not what we would recognise as human consciousness – it’s too simple. “condenses” into many sparks of consciousness. as well as old consciousness finishing off its reincarnation process. the whole time. this loose network is described as a “hive soul”. But at some point – in the ‘higher’ mammals such as lions. This evolutionary process is going on. if you fancy the experience. through stages. plant life. for example. from inanimate matter to cellular life. more like us in a dreaming state. Complex consciousness gradually evolves out of simple consciousness.However I am not being able to understand what is the origin of the hive soul? where is it coming from. elephants and so on – there emerges enough of a seed of individuality for the next stage to come about – the beings in a hive soul eventually organise themselves into a fixed group that is ready to begin the human journey. 30barry10 Apr 2011 at 12:55 pm 1) Humans are not the only species on Earth with individual “ensoulment”.barry Reply 16.
the environment is primarily a sonic experience whereas for us it is primarily visual. much clearer now about my douts about the animal kingdom and how they eventually end up getting encapsulated in the soul journey…however just a few left overs: 1) As u said that “at some point – in the ‘higher’ mammals such as lions. as I said.”On this planet. bears. That is the preference of souls undergoing the cetacean route. simple conscious beings first emerge as a ‘cloud’. but not (I would imagine) a good idea since one who is used to being human would probably be pretty inept at being a giant water-breathing insect or whatever. The notion that cetaceans are ensouled as well as humans has been channelled many many times and it fits with many people’s experience of the sentience of whales and dolphins – the way you can look into an individual creature’s eyes and recognise that there is “someone in there” looking back at you. all souls within that group will start incarnating as 1st-level Infant souls. virus animal body to go into next amoung all so many types.so there apears to be some kind of logic flow among the lower beings when it comes to transmigration of their underdeveloped consciouness. 32barry10 Apr 2011 at 2:11 pm 1) I don’t know the answer to this one. There . why cetaceans are only exceptions? where are they coming from?Do they have bodies as well equiped and brains/enviroment as complex as human beings to accully give soul enough options to evolve to self realization? how was this exception discovered? Analysis? observation? inference? revelation? or was it some psysic discovery? 3) If these are the only two species to have a soul “on earth” can there be other places in this wast universe with some other species with a possible soul? If they do. For cetaceans.. How do these lower consciousnesses determine which plant . there are two options for individualised souls to evolve through reincarnation: humans and cetaceans…. if you will. 4) Consciousness. 3) There are said to be 2 or 3 million in our galaxy alone – presumably billions and billions of others throughout the universe. As this expands and cools. Using this analogy.Wow. I would imagine consciousness is attracted to whatever form feels most appropriate at each stage on its journey of unfolding. Interchangeability is (I would imagine) possible. losely to say: matter-> unicellular-> multicellular -> plants -> Animals etc. the droplets form snowflakes – crystal structures – each uniquely shaped. but then there are millions of different species in this world with relative complexities. that is very fluid.. A couple of points of interest: 1. first emerges from the Source as a fluid ‘blob’ in the way that water vapour evaporates from the ocean. basically from a less complex to more complex being till the time it can have a soul. 2) Cetaceans have the brain complexity to support rational choice. Thanks in advance Reply 0. Cetaceans’ bodies are not adapted to physical manipulation of the environment. Similarly. But through the experiences of plant and animal life. Souls are thus ‘born’ into stable groups which are held within even larger configurations. 4) Somewhere u said “If a soul group elects to embark on the journey of evolving through reincarnation. elephants and so on – there emerges enough of a seed of individuality ……. in the way that ours are. 2. forming definite groupings within groupings. …… couldnt capture the concept of “soul group”. are these inter celestial species interchangable soul wise. the beings crystallise into a stable organisation. Is it on a random basis? (cant be I guess given the somewhat sequential nature of evolution) Could it be a Trial and error? or is there a logic flow that nature has devised? 2) you said …. at first you have a swirling mass of ‘droplets’ (a cloud).
For cetaceans. 33Amit10 Apr 2011 at 4:40 pm 1) I guess… if consciousness is attracted to whatever form feels most appropriate at each stage on its journey of unfolding……there has to be a set pattern on choice of the appropriateness of the physical medium…. . as well as some who are more distant. -we cant be as sonic as there experience and they cant be as visual as our experience so what brought the notion that they have a soul? 3) Interchangeability is (I would imagine) possible. the environment is primarily a sonic experience whereas for us it is primarily visual. but not (I would imagine) a good idea since one who is used to being human would probably be pretty inept at being a giant water-breathing insect or whatever..assuming in all fainess that the creation is way too systematic in its aproach. 34barry10 Apr 2011 at 5:03 pm Every answer breeds more questions. so to manage my energy I want to address only your last question. of course.. in the way that ours are. There is. -like? or how unlike highly evolved animal species? the way you can look into an individual creature’s eyes and recognise that there is “someone in there” looking back at you……….. no physical time on the astral.barry Reply 17. as well as some who are more distant. . but then the lower beings cant really choose. ……. -But then the soul wants to gather as many diffrent experiences as possible to get to self realiazition. -but then ther would be a 100million pet owners who would look into an individual creature’s eyes and recognise that there is “someone in there” looking back at them…I guess/ Cetaceans’ bodies are not adapted to physical manipulation of the environment. as you say. so why not be born on a diffrient planet? 4) There are numerous souls who are very close to you in your soul configuration. so perhaps creation will reveal the laws sometime when it desires. But there is emotional distance and emotional closeness. 2) Cetaceans have the brain complexity to support rational choice……….if time doesnt hold in spiritual relm does distance hold? Reply 0.are numerous souls who are very close to you in your soul configuration. -couldnt understand. You will have an emotional affinity with the .
come on plz answer me as its al limportant in my pedigrame! . As you said: “You will have an emotional affinity with the small cluster of souls with whom you came into being as a soul.( Reply 0. 35Amit10 Apr 2011 at 8:08 pm Damn. ϑ Reply 19. As long as I am clear about the overall process of transformation from animal kingdom to human form let me not get too much into intricacies of animal transformation within the animal world. but plz answer my above 3 questions first as I have pinned a lot of hope. Hi Barry. . 36Amit11 Apr 2011 at 2:36 pm Sorry for the last remarks I guess I went a bit overboard and argumentative hehe hope u didn’t mind. Also I read somewhere that Cetaceans are souls from a different planetary system whose planet got destroyed due to physical manipulation and wanted a body that would limit physical manipulation of the environment to avoid a repeat. I will leave it there.barry Reply 18.( answer these and I wont ask any of the same relm I promise no matter how much my soul yearns for it. I still have a lot to learn from you.small cluster of souls with whom you came into being as a soul.” 1) Do the souls of the same cluster tend to take birth in close vicinity on earth? 2) Do they form the same family on earth or prolly get into relationships? 3) if not then do they happen to come across each other on earth? 4) If they do is there some gut feeling that is triggered from within at soul level that you have met before or you kind of know that person. 37barry12 Apr 2011 at 8:02 am . . dont abandone me like this but plz answer my questions as I promise my next set of questions will be completely belonging to a different relm. 5) On earth some souls might move ahead in their journey due to the choices they make so do they wait for other cluster members at every stop (death) or do they get together in the end of entire journey and stay together? Tx Ps: How old are u by the way if u don’t mind telling. You can also form emotional bonds with others and feel emotionally close to them too.
Jailer/Prisoner… 2) I don’t remember mentioning karmic reward or punishment other than to say there is no such thing. The soul gradually experiences all sides of every situation. there is no need for cosmic justice because there is no such thing as . some souls might move ‘ahead’ of others in their group. especially in the early stages. so my activity levels have to be carefully managed. There is no hurry from the perspective of spirit. At the end of the entire journey there is a coming-together and in time any ‘stragglers’ will simply catch up with the rest. They might choose to keep going or hold back a few lives and wait for their mates – I think it’s just a matter of choice. You might spend several incarnations together with a “team-mate” from your small group. Passionate/Repressed. There is no-one “up there” doling out rewards or punishments for what “he” regards as good/bad behaviour. 4) Quite often. Hopelessly Loving/Hopelessly Loved. Leader/Follower. Innocent/Sophisticate. Someone with no idea about reincarnation might simply feel “I really like this person – so easy to get along with!” 5) On a long-term scale. and in the next life you turn it around. but I know at least one from my wider “tribe”. 2) There is huge variation in the sorts of relationships that are formed on Earth. but in one life you are the parent while the other is the child. Depends how open-minded the individual is. and I have chronic fatigue which means that half the time I have a flat battery. I am 49. just the two: 1) Somewhere I read that…. Attacker/Victim. I love answering questions. I will go slow. 38Amit13 Apr 2011 at 9:56 am Opps I understand. Defender/Defended. Deserter/Abandoned. Hidden/Disclosed. but a lot at once can be exhausting! Reply 20. 3) You can certainly spend lives where you never meet up with another soul from your close family group. From the perspective of Spirit. Rescuer/Rescued. Healer/Healed. Slovenly/Meticulous. Dependent/Independent. Slander/Slandered. so is ther any avalible list of all or most of these possible range or an aprox number? 2) Somewhere u mentioned about “karmic reward” and “karmic punishment”. Promiscuous/Impotent. yes. “Why do I feel like I know that person?” I don’t think I know of any in this life from my immediate group. Artist/Patron. how does that work? Reply 0. Master/Slave. Or you pass them in the street and think.S. a resonance or feeling of familiarity. there is a gut feeling. including every common relationship.The soul undergoes the full range of meaningful human experiences and choices by reincarnating. Pivotal Facilitator/Facilitated. P. 39barry13 Apr 2011 at 10:32 am 1) There’s a list of “classic” relationship experiences – the soul will experience one side and later experience the other: Teacher/Student. Profligate/Tempered.1) They can do. Player/Pawn. Parent/Child. Passive/Aggressive. Adept/Apprentice.
a balancing that occurs perhaps randomly. and therefore has an opening for this energy. There are a series of lectures at this site: http://www. an emotional imbalance. for example. If I do something in physical life that violates your free will. or because the perpetrator just decided to do it. We both feel the lack of emotional equilibrium between us. not the soul). Another soul enters to experience being the perpetrator of violence. including being attacked or murdered even (the body. you might feel a strange fury towards me and I might have a weird feeling that I owe you something. we both know from experience what it is like to be both the violator and the violated. if there is a murderer and a murdered. On the soul level. in order to become experienced in this. but the soul knows it has volunteered for it and arranged it. and that appears random. When karma comes back at you. though it does nothing to diminish the material. But there can be a personal sense of injustice which lingers in the emotional body from one life to the next. It just doesn’t sit with me this idea that something can happen out of the blue for a soul. There is therefore a charge between the two. is actually only perceived this way on the personality level (the body). So you can never quite tell if. It’s like we have become tied together by a karmic “ribbon”. Perhaps to put more spontaneity into life. I usually believe that all that happens in physical life.pathwork. we become entangled. it was agreed upon previously on the soul level that this would take place.org/lecturesObtainingUnedited. though I would suggest – or what struck me as odd – was the last paragraph where you wrote “…or because the perpetrator just decided to do it. Between lives. we may be soul buddies and we discuss what happened. The soul might embody a position of ‘victim’ or ‘abused’ or ‘murdered’.cosmic injustice. A soul is embroiled in a physical experience where what it does not know is what it is learning. so-and-so was murdered because it was their karma from a past life in which they committed a murder. seems an important perspective to use in this context. creating fresh karma for himself”. . NOTE – not all nasty things that happen to people are karmic “paybacks” – there are plenty of new karmic acts being committed as well. 40mg13 Apr 2011 at 1:27 pm The basic idea of karma in this last comment is interesting. The only way to restore equilibrium is to undo the ribbon—typically by both of us arranging a future life in which you come to violate my free will in an equivalent way. or a weak spot so to speak. The idea of a class being the equivalent of a life time. to the personality it seems like a calamity has struck out of the blue.html #18. but is also a perfect marriage of the two class lessons. but as soon as we take to physical bodies again the emotional imbalance comes to the fore – if we bump into each other in the street. That way. Reply 0. Karma is really about “entanglement”. by tweaking this perspective a bit – the soul enters a life to experience violence to the physical body. The constant reference in these channeled lectures to the names used in one religion for forces in the world has always been off-putting for me. #21 deal with Free Will and the dark and light spiritual existence. This makes more sense to me. The soul is open to this experience. and that each soul signs up for a class. creating fresh karma for himself and an emotional imbalance with the victim.
due to our not knowing it completely yet… We are consumed by the karmic experience of the lifetime. 42mgrinn14 Apr 2011 at 12:30 am Barrymy only thought reading the 2nd to last paragraph is that the karmic situations forced upon the soul (rather than chosen) – like we fall into a darkness because we do not yet bounce back from it. in those terms. The mess however is not a choice. It’s possible the would-be’victim’ soul sees an unplanned act coming (e. that the only way to move Free from it is to discover the way out of it. When there are no more dark places to fall into. It would be the allowance of Free Will to those considered good. and for me (this is the notion I had) the aspect of ‘free will’ is nothing more than the actual LEARNING how to navigate the unlearned things.e. including those which harm others. while dealing with ‘Lucifer’ and ‘God’. I don’t disagree that souls will arrange amongst themselves to do the murderer-victim experience.. The entrance and release from the karma. The Conversations With God books are also quite good on the relationship between human free will and Divine Love (i. and the denial of free will to those considered bad (by whom?). I’m a big ‘fan’ of the Pathwork teachings (as well as Michael teachings). It is what I thought of while reading. etc. it must be something so completely unknown and unexperienced.. but I think the field is also open for spontaneous acts of free will. unplanned events. to me is not about this at all. This quite possibly is nothing more Than the lifetime of each of us. – why would a loving God let us come to harm? Because we specifically choose to live in a state in which apparent harm is possible – and all choices are automatically respected. But that’s just my impression – I can’t claim to know either way. Perhaps. it would need to allow the free choice to live without any divine connection. The universality of these teachings. However.g.e. we enter them from another level – just to see. The Michael teachings do say quite often that the physical plane is the only one in which ‘accidents’ are possible – i.#21. There is a basic point made that if a sort of divine “Free Will” exists. Reply . The free will comes into play by the ability to choose the path that frees the mess. I’m writing about it here because of the clarity and simplicity (in a profound way) of Michael’s teachings.) Reply 1. in the dream state). I suppose. 41barry13 Apr 2011 at 1:59 pm Thanks mg. without hope or love. and decides whether or not to go with it. nothing is off limits to consider. If whatever divinity there is in the world imposed itself over what is considered negative or evil – then (the article points out) it would not in fact be Free Will at all. Reply 0. It’s an interesting perspective. or a game.
may be a formula like e=mc2 to convert energy into matter but to convert karma into physical situations specially which are by will of the physical being and not as well planed? Reply 0. Advaita Vedanta). the results of karma is generated out of the spontaneous actions in the way of execution of life’s plan with a another factor called maya ( Veil of Ignorance. it does not need to be re-learned. The same might go for a human in this lifetime who has learned in a previous life (on a soul level) how to deal with lower energy manifesting in a violent manner (rape or murder. 2) Also for example lets assume that soul A in a soul group decides to be a murderer and Soul B decides to be the murdered in a plan. as you discussed). Isnt the other soul completely free to choose another soul as a partner to experience the other side of it.pathwork. And the first soul can decide to get murdered by someone else and thus will get to fell how it is to get murdered. 44mgrinn14 Apr 2011 at 12:15 am http://www. It also might suggest a key concept – that when a karmic issue. As souls we do devise a life plan before taking a birth on the physical plane but we can not predecide all the actions(karmas) that we take when we land in the physical realm while executing the plan. To the best I understand. then Soul A might have to be born with an inclination of a rapist tendency in physical form. We might get entangled in a flurry of karmas that might have got nothing to do with our plan. As for example if Soul A decides to experience being a rapist and another soul B as the raped.html In this series of lectures there is one lecture that discusses why all humans must be born into their worst karmic darkness. It is learned. or basic life experience – is actually LEARNED by the soul.org/lecturesObtainingUnedited.21. If not so then there would only be soul buddies in existence and not soul groups as every plan to experience one side of a relationship will trigger a reciprocation from the same buddy. 43Amit13 Apr 2011 at 10:10 pm 1) Indeed from the divine perspective there in nothing good or bad! But I guess karma is an act of will on the physical plane and not on the spiritual plane. triggered by maya . They might not even be contactable in the soul realm or might not be willing to undergo a reverse as they might have already experienced being raped earlier. If it has been learned. How about people getting convicted in a murder out of souls plan and then spending their life time behind bars as a consequence. And those other women souls who might have come with different plans of their own or might be belonging to different soul groups all together. 3) Does karma work completely on the principle of an eye for an eye? Cant the result of a karma come in form of some adverse or favorable situation instead (remember we are in the physical realm). It is essential for any soul incarnating to lose ALL connection with previous life spiritual work and all connection with higher self awareness. the individual most-likely will not re-experience this because the lesson has already . Will they still have to come back and get killed by that persons. So its consequences have an inherent tendency of being perceived as rewarding or punishable with relation to the physical world. But is reciprocacity by the same soul mate should not be a precondition. What happens to the karmic balance to all these additional karmas we and up doing? What happens to the result of karmas outside the plan. Maya having an enchanting but disillusioning effect on the physical being might at times completely disorient him from achieving ones lifes plans. And with that tendency in place what is the guarantee that he would not end up raping several 100 other women who might not have been in the initial plan driven by free will of the body that is unaware of souls plan. Couldn’t there be a natural law devised in place by the creator working on some formula we are unaware of. This is so that the greatest aspects of the karmic issues must be confronted and overcome.
I am not operating from any unclear sense of anything – just adding what I have found as related to these topics. She kind of agrees to a notion of good karma. The phrase of interest here is “without prior agreement” As per this an act of murdering Soul A by Soul B as per a soul plan should not lead to karmic entanglement as it is with prior agreement. Reply 0. from ‘victim” to ‘perpetrator’.com/karma. though it will not necessarily require the physical aspect of trauma and violation.” in which the murderer fully realizes his infringement. I have no intention of over-stepping any bounds here… just are things I think about. Intermediate and minor would include lesser energy imbalances that do not significantly abridge another’s right of free choice or alter the course of his lifetime. . which cancels the debt with an opposite action.Philanthropic or “good” karma results from significantly ex¬panding another’s choices in a way that does not benefit you other than through the good feelings that arise.michaelteachings. creating an energy imbalance that then seeks resolution………. 45barry15 Apr 2011 at 8:00 am I think someone else commenting here has also pointed out that a clear act of forgiveness. either be murdered by him. Barry. 3) Michael talks about Major karmas. joyful way of repaying such a debt. intermediate karmas and minor karmas. and have thought about quite a bit – and I somehow found this string of a conversation.I really appreciate what you are doing here.. Reply 0. Another level of clarity might be reached by the soul via that particular life. which is a more enlightened.Karma is formed when you significantly violate another’s domain. and the conversations that are appearing. 46Amit19 Apr 2011 at 9:45 pm Here I fould something interesting: http://www. karma was specifically defined to mean a significant abridgment of another person’s right of free choice without prior agreement…….been learned. can untie the karmic knot between them – lesson learned consciously rather than “the hard way”. or will save his life. A person who forms a karmic bond by murdering someone (major karma) will. In rare instances.In the Yarbro books. and both parties are able and willing to forgive the karma without acting it out physically. 2) Michael says…. the energy imbalance is neutralized through “grace.html 1) Michael Says…. in a future lifetime.
In the case of whales and dolphins. but its a great job you are doing. Even reciprocation is not mandatory. Also that It may or may not come from those whom he treated unfairly. drugs or intravenous feeding. Reply 1. Reply 0. 49barry21 Apr 2011 at 7:45 am Not sure in this case – the question often comes up. I’m not sure. 2) Capital punishment with relation to the judge as well as the person who executes it.2 Michael refers to the repayment of intermediate karmas as “acts of restitution. killing self before natural death time.In Michael’s People. 5) Sucide. Reply 22. one would be interfering with the choices of a conscious individual so presumably the usual karma might apply. I would suspect it depends on whether or not there is suffering. Hi Barry. 3) artificially sustaining life in a wholly incapacitated physical body through mechanical devices.” killing someone before the natural death time. If you could help me with the karmic entanglment if any for the following scenarios it would be great: 1) Genocide by a dictator where he is directly or indirectly responsible for several hundread deaths. 48Amit20 Apr 2011 at 7:10 pm 6) killing Animals….prolly for fun. “mercy killing. So it doesn’t seem to happen on an eye to eye basis all the time but there appears to be some natural law involved as well. so maybe it’s just part of nature. 47Amit20 Apr 2011 at 7:07 pm must say that accidental stumbling across your blog has opened me to some of the most intriguing concepts I can think of. 4) euthanasia. Reply 0. I guess occasional difference of opinion ought to exist while comprehending something so profound. 50barry21 Apr 2011 at 7:11 am . animals kill animals all the time. making him/her live beyond natural death time. But then. As for less sentient creatures.
they have their relative levels of intelligence. then the souls participating are merely going along with that. 2) If the current social structure is such that capital punishment is the law. social structures. Wont the killed persons soul realize that his killer has faced the consequence of his act as per the law of the land? 3) Makes sense 4) Makes sense. right.” I think it’s generally unlikely that karma can created and then dissolved in a single lifetime.Thanks Amit. Somewhere I feel something is a miss. Reply 0. To the extent that Elephants are know to have very complex mourning rituals. 3) The soul in question would not be oblivious to what was going on and would be probably be out of the body pretty soon. There could still be rebalancing with those hundreds in other ways – the soul might incarnate as a doctor or scientist. leaving the body with the doctors/family. But I am finding it hard to get around the notion of a living being who is on its own evolutionary path being killed as a random act and not boring any consequences. emotions. Reply 23. such as leaving behind dependants who may not survive. Otherwise they appear to be pretty conscious. 5) Suicide has been well covered here already. Yes animals kill but either to survive or to defend and under both the circumstances even a human might not incur any karma. say. Karma would come into effect only if. So social circumstances (or variables in physical realm) can have an influence on whether or not a karmik entanglement would be incurred. 4) Euthanasia would be an agreement by the souls involved. gets caught and convicted as per the rule of the land and is hanged as a consequence. Examples are one too many. 52barry23 Apr 2011 at 10:23 pm 2) I imagine it depends on the interpretation of the legal punishment/consequence in the mind of the killer. What would happen if it isn’t an agreement and the souls plan was to experience the suffering of being in a vegetative state for many years? 5) Makes sense 6) Slightly confusing: I assume the only difference between animals and humans would be that over a period of time they have developed the covering of soul or self consciousness. . Somewhere he is getting the result of the karma of killing the person. To the best of my understanding… 1) I doubt that the genocidal dictator would undergo hundreds of deaths to “repay” those he caused – I think it’s the experience of being killed because of a cruel decision by somebody in power that needs to be experienced. 51Amit21 Apr 2011 at 5:16 pm 1) makes sense 2) makes sense. the judge decided somehow to execute the person even if not guilty. attachments. say. overriding the human law. What happens in a situation in which someone kills someone as a random act. He could be hanged for the crime but go to his grave thinking “I wish I hadn’t been caught” rather than “oh. sense of loss and belonging and suffering etc. There is no karma involved unless one is deliberately choosing to harm others by it. who saves hundreds of lives which would otherwise have been lost. that’s fair.
I couldn’t get to terms with the idea of …. 53Amit22 Apr 2011 at 1:32 pm Here I found something very interesting: Elephants are amongst the world’s most intelligent species.michaelteachings. Due to the high intelligence and strong family ties of elephants. 54Amit23 Apr 2011 at 7:17 pm Humm my brain has gone bonkers and my mind has reached a level of mental exhaustion to the point it can think no further. http://www.com/soul_ages. use of tools. allomothering. suggesting convergent evolution. We can imagine alternative possibilities and select the future we want. 2) The only difference between animals/plants etc and humans at the soul level would be that by the time the soul evolves from an animal to human form it gets encapsulated in the .4) Then the soul is successfully living according to plan. The elephant’s brain is similar to that of humans in terms of structure and complexity – such as the elephant’s cortex having as many neurons as a human brain. However there are three distinct points to which I could not come to terms with completely. All point to a highly intelligent species that are thought to be equal with cetaceans and primates. Before I leave I Must say that I found Lots of startling and interesting information to grab onto. art. there are other intelligent and conscious species on the planet. more intrestingly it all seems to blend so well with the ancient wisdoms on journey of soul like brahma sutra bhashya. play. 6) Make no mistake. while to some degree conscious. Reply 25. Imagine being caught in a burning barn. What’s surprising. I) Firstly. Elephants exhibit a wide variety of behaviors. memory and possibly language. including those associated with grief. presumably with the cooperation of those around it. is that some humans don’t get their own difference above and beyond “intelligent and conscious”. its fear of fire would keep it trapped. A horse could not. self-awareness. I guess Its time to take a break. mimicry. learning. some researchers argue it is morally wrong for humans to cull them. altruism. A horse cannot. you or I could do so voluntarily. are incapable of consciously overriding their own instinct. If leaping through the flames were our only hope of survival. compassion. vedanta and katha upanishad. Most such animals are more loving than humans simply because they cannot do (and are not trying to learn from the experience of) personal hatred. using physical vehicles whose brains are capable of supporting choice in a physical context.html I would still believe that : 1) The soul after getting detached from TAO starts its journey from the simplest of life forms and not directly as a human being. other than human (and cetacean). whale brains are barely twice the mass of an elephant’s brain. perhaps. cooperation. With a mass of just over 5 kg (11 lb). a sense of humor. Most animals.Souls getting detached from TAO and directly taking birth as humans on earth. and although the largest whales have body masses twenty-fold those of a typical elephant. Reply 24. We are beings evolving through choice. elephant brains are larger than those of any other land animal.
The karmic act would be dissected. A typical example of karmic resultant for killing an ant would be being bitten by an ant or some similar insect or killing a lion may be being attacked by a lion or similar creature in this life or any of the subsequent life. Everything about the souls journey falls in place from here on as per Michaels teaching. how it is being one amongst the heard of wild buffalos or being hunted by a predator or being the predator itself. It’s the sense of I (ego) that links humans to the choices they make and gets them entangled in the laws of Karma. or prolly being the alpha male in a pack of wolves and rule over all the pack mates. For beings who are both in karmic cycles the fulcrum is in the center with the beings on the sides. A soul would want to experience how it is being a tree or a blade of grass or being a flowering tree or a cactus while experiencing the plant realm. the evolutionary mechanism of soul through animal kingdom could pretty well be exactly similar to that of the human form given the startling similarities between the human and animal kingdom and their evolutionary pattern. The karmic knot is tied in the karmic plane. circumstances. the idea that nothing everything that happen to a soul on the physical realm is only with its approval. The choices made by animal are conscious choices as well (governed by previous learning’s). Like a soul would want to experience being a queen ant or a worker ant or a soldier ant while experiencing the ant realm. Sense of I is not necessarily the sense of self awareness and to be able to make conscious choices. Killing a lion might lead to more intense karmic consequence as compared to lets say an ant. II) Second thing I would still believe in is that interaction of Karma is far more complex in action than a simple entanglement between two souls. the only difference is that an F. analyzed and an appropriate reaction would be set for delivery as per the karmic law. etc most suitable to execute its plan before jumping into the physical .I. The idea of soul giving approval to every experience it has to under go in the physical realm maybe through dreams etc is just like a student prepared for an exam being asked to approve every question that will be there in the question paper. It makes the entire game of reincarnation meaningless and joyless without the factor of unpredictability. soul evolution would involve gaining experiences in the lower states of consciousness with relatively diluted experiences with more focus on evolving biologically finally to a body where the soul consciousness can experience the state of ego or I. Yes the two souls might agree upon entangling the knot themselves by mutual consent but its more like an out of court settlement. It might not be a part of the souls plan then but the experience will add up to the overall experiences of souls growth. Also the soul itself might want to decide on undergoing the consequence of a karma but its just like voluntary surrender to the court room. Given that a soul from its very onset is assumed to be intelligent (by Michael). its severity might depend on the level of evolution of the animal in question. as many animals have been proven by experiments to be self aware and make conscious choices. It’s the karmic court room.sense of I (ego). I believe there are rather two phases of soul evolution: In the first phase. And the soul in concern cant delay the consequences at that time just like a convict cant decide when he would want to go through the jail term.R is logged automatically the moment the karma is implemented. goal. If one being is not yet in a karmic cycle the fulcrum shifts to one edge with the karmic being on the vertices. The stages might be somewhat similar to 35 steps of soul evolution with the only difference that the focus is more on the biological evolution rather than spiritual. Law of karma is a natural law and has its own mechanism of action distinct from soul perspective Like akashic plane there exists a karmic plane where in every karmic act is automatically registered. The result will be delivered as and when the appropriate circumstances of deliverance occur on the physical plane. The second phase of soul evolution begins once it has attained the maximum biological evolution possible ie the human form and the focus shifts to evolve spiritually rather than biologically by being able to indulge in more complex and intense experiences based on choices made by Soul ego rather than just soul consciousness. If both these events don’t happen the court will take its effect anyway and deliver the results as an when situation is apt. Thus an act of killing an animal for fun would lead to a karmic consequence to the soul though the karmic plane. but the sense of ego is missing to get them entangled in karma on their end. III) Third thing would be . Yes soul can decide upon its plan. body. as killing a human would bring more severe consequence as compared to the lion.
we could still be very much in the dark concerning what lies in their heart and what truely motivates them. Anyway.realm but after that the body is governed by the dynamics of the physical realm. 55barry23 Apr 2011 at 10:27 pm Thanks Amit! Reply 26. But all in all. I am irrevocably DISGUSTED. Journey of Souls was a wonderful learning tool for me at the beginning of my journey… Though Ive got to say I believe the author may have a slight bias. 58barry28 Nov 2011 at 6:45 am I’m curious – what sort of bias are you referring to? B Reply 28. So I ll take a break Reply . Some of the most profound effects on others are often known only to the person who gives and the one receiving. And if ANYTHING. great to find this on the net Reply 0. thats just my take on it after going through information on simalar topics through different sources. The concepts are way to profound and mentally exhausting. this INSULTING INSANITY of a condition of existence I will DESTROY whatever sense of spiritual identity I possess. Reply 27. 59Aaron04 Dec 2011 at 10:26 am . and I am encased in it in a sickening. The soul is open to experience all sorts of random experiences either from other souls random acts or as a result of deliverance of a karmic consequences. and I think the article would have been better off had they not attempted to categorize famous people. 57Graham McNallie28 Nov 2011 at 3:35 am I love that I found this on the web. rotting piece of flesh is grounds to DESTROY my human self and sending myself SCREAMING back from whence I came. 56Jeremy22 Oct 2011 at 9:51 pm DISGUSTING. ANYTHING in the upper reaches of reality attempts so much as to encourage me to return to this ABOMINATION. Under the influence of the dynamics the soul might end up realizing only 10% of its plan in one birth and might have to take several subsequent births to complete the plan. Thanks and all the best! 0. The fact that such a world as this exists. These experiences don’t go waste as they act like brownie points in the souls overall journey where it might gain experiences that it would otherwise have to plan for in the future. I can definately understand their method. but my issue with it is that with a famous person.
these early ways of being are still there inside you. Reply 0. and so on. divinity. energy. for example. you can appear to manifest different soul ages. bliss. But in each human life we take on a body with consciousness at square one. unity. and so on in what are called peak experiences and spiritual awakenings. if so. Upon trying to determine my soul age I have become aware that I seem to hover in the middle of mature while exhibiting traits from stage 2 all the way to 6. I’m only 31 so I probably haven’t come fully into my age yet… Thank you sooo much for putting this very valuable information on the web. as an adult. So. higher levels of consciousness are also accessible. And. you in essence) is definitely at a particular step in its evolving consciousness. we gradually reawaken to ourselves in and through this new body. That is. like the rings inside a tree. wisdom.I’ve come into these Michael teachings recently and…OMG it has seriously BLOWN MY MIND!! My entire perception and engagement of the world has changed. So early in life you act like an infant soul. but in how you are manifesting through your behaviour. It’s going to help many people from losing their sanity! Thanks Reply 0. thanks for taking time to answer my question Reply 29.e. you could regress to an earlier level – not in your soul level per se. 61Aaron12 Dec 2011 at 5:05 am Barry. changing ourselves step by step. truth. But otherwise we will operate at our own level – it’s like our centre of gravity. I say appear because your soul (i. love. It’s just that we cannot stabilise in those higher states until we have done the work of evolving to that level. Yes. At the same time. would that put our true soul age as the “average” between the extremes? BTW. 62Stuart Niebank11 Dec 2011 at 6:13 pm I was just wondering what is after 7th level old soul? Reply . Hi Aaron 60barry04 Dec 2011 at 11:33 pm I’m glad you are finding stuff of value here. we can manifest beneath our level and we can experience above our level. and in doing so more of our true consciousness is able to manifest. Do you know if it is possible for humans to concurrently live out different stages? And. If you get very drunk. As we go through the normal stages of human life. we can experience moments of transcendent or even infinite joy. as a kid more like a baby soul.
a ‘causal body’. Many channelled teachings are from souls undergoing this stage – they all have a warm and comforting quality. I have been researching about this to post something on it here in the blog soon. Emmanuel) The seventh and final stage would be as a re-integrated collective consciousness. which was . we are free to choose to undergo the whole cycle again – as we did this time – for the sheer thrill of it! That would be in a whole new physical species. 64Juan06 Jan 2012 at 3:18 am Hi. (e. It does not seem impossible to me. factual quality. comprising all souls from our larger grouping of origin. 67barry08 Jan 2012 at 12:42 pm Ah. Reply 0. or what Michael calls an ‘entity’.. In a nutshell: back in the1970s someone created an urban myth. 65barry06 Jan 2012 at 10:31 pm Is it something you’ve heard of. Reply 30. Juan? Reply 31. 66Juan08 Jan 2012 at 3:04 am No. Michael is one example of this stage. The sixth stage would be as guides on the astral. Reply 0. has anyone heard about Reincarnation mathematics? Is reincarnation supported by mathematics? It would be really interesting to analyse this issue.g. working together with our closer soul-mates.0.. but it would actually be good to test it. 63barry11 Dec 2011 at 7:34 pm Hi Stuart My understanding is that we keep going through another two stages beyond that of the old soul (which is the fifth stage). Seth) By the end of that stage. Channelled teachings from beings at this level tend to have a dry. and individuality – while it remains in some sense – is no longer a concern. But from what I can gather. (e. I have heard a few people saying reencarnation is mathematically imposible because souls would rarely have the chance to enter a human body..g.050 Warrior and King souls. being in fact an integrated entity consisting of 1. we are effectively at one with the creative power of the universe (God if you like). The focus here is emotional and inspirational.
This idea has really stuck and is often used as a “scientific fact” to discredit reincarnation. Population research shows that the number of people to have lived before is at least a hundred billion.that by 2000 there would be more people alive (6 billion world population) than had ever lived and died in the whole history of humanity. But actually it is nonsense. Reply . probably far more if you include those who died in early childhood.
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