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In The Matter Of:
Desmond, et al. v.
N arconon, et al.
Stephen Alan Kent
January 5, 2012
Q&A Reporting Services, Inc.
Certified Court Reporters
2165 Fair haven Circle, NE
Atlanta, GA 30305
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Desmond, et al. v.
Narconon, et al.
IN THE STATE COURT OF DEKALB COUNTY
STATE OF GEORGIA
PATRICK C. DESMOND AND MARY )
C. DESMOND, INDIVIDUALLY, AND)
MARY C. DESMOND, AS )
ADMINISTRATRIX OF THE ESTATE )
OF PATRICK C. DESMOND, )
Plaintiffs, )
) CIVIL ACTION PILE
vs. )
) NO. 10A28641-2
NARCONON OF GEORGIA, INC., )
DELGADO DEVELOPMENT, INC., )
SOVEREIGN PLACE, LLC, )
SOVEREIGN PLACE APARTMENT )
MANAGEMENT, INC. , LISA )
CAROLINA ROBBINS, M.D., THE )
ROBBINS GROUP, INC., AND )
NARCONON INTERNATIONAL, )
Defendants. )
Deposition of STEPHEN ALAN KENT, taken
on behalf of the Defendants Narconon, pursuant
to the stipulations contained herein, before
Jo Tornoff Fischer, RMR, CCR No. B- 924, at
1201 Peachtree Street, 400 Colony Square,
Suite 900, Atlanta, Georgia, on January 5,
2012, commencing at the hour of 10:10 a.m.
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REBECCA FRANKLIN, ESQ.
Franklin Law, LLC
400 Colony Square, Suite 900
1201 Peacht ree Street, NE
Atlanta, GA 30361
(404) 961-5333
ON BEHALF OF THE DEFENDANTS NARCONON OF GEORGIA
and NARCONON INTERNATIONAL:
STBVAN A. MILLER, ESQ.
BARBARA A. MARSCHALK, ESQ.
Drew, Eckl & Farnham, LLP
880 West Peachtree Street
P.O. Box 7600
Atlanta, GA 30357
(404) 885-1400
ON BEHALF OF THB DEFENDANT NARCONON INTERNATIONAL:
HELENA K. KOBRIN, ESQ.
Moxon & Kobrin
Suite 900
3055 Wilshire Blvd.
Los Angeles, CA 90010
(2 13) 487-4468
ON BEHALF OF THE DEFENDANT DELGADO DEVELOPMENT:
SEAN L. HYNES, ESQ.
Downey & Cleveland, LLP
288 Washington Avenue
Marietta, GA 30060
(770) 422-3233
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ON BEHALF OF THE DBFBNDANTS LISA CAROLINA ROBBINS,
M.D. and THE ROBBINS GROUP, INC.:
JEFFREY N. AMASON, ESQ.
Weinberg, Wheeler, Hudgins, Gunn & Dial, LLC
Suite 2400
3344 Peachtree Road
Atlanta, GA 30326
(404) 876 - 2700
INDEX TO EXAMINATION
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re Work in Desmond Case
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{THE FOLLOWING TRANSCRIPT CONTAINS QUOTED
MATERIAL; SUCH MATERIAL I S REPRODUCED AS
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{IN THE FOLLOWING TRANSCRIPT, A DASH [ -- )
IS USED TO INDICATE AN UNINTENTIONAL OR
PURPOSEFUL INTERRUPTION OF A SENTENCE;
AN ELLIPSIS [ .•• ) IS USED TO INDICATE
HALTING SPEECH OR AN UNFINISHED
SENTENCE IN DIALOGUE, OR AN OMISSION
OF WORD[S) WHEN READING WRITTEN
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(Thereupon, the court reporter disclosed that she was
there on behalf of Q & A Reporting Services, Inc.
In compliance with Article lO.B of the Rules and
Regul ations of the Board of Court Reporting of the
Judi cial Council of Georgia and O.C. G. A. l5-l4-37{a)
and {b), the court reporter d iscloses that she was
retained by StevanA. Miller, Esq. , t o take down
the proceedings . Q & A Reporting Services, Inc.
will charge the attorneys t he usual and customary
rate for the transcript, and will be paid by the
attorneys upon their receipt of the transcript.)
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(Thereupon, marked for identification
purposes, Defendants' Exhibit Nos. 1
through 6.)
MR. MILLER: This will be the deposition
of Dr. Stephen Kent, taken by the defendants
for purposes of discovery only. I realize
that you may -- well, I'm j ust going to say
we want to take this for purposes of
discovery only. It's being taken at this
time and place pursuant to agreement of
counsel, with waiver of all formalities with
respect to the time and place of taking the
deposition. And we can agree, 1 believe, to
reserve all objections except as to the fonn
of the question until such time as the
deposition might be used for some purpose.
MS. FRANKLIN: We can agree to that. We
don't agree to the deposition being taken
just for purpose of discovery; we would ask
the deposition be taken for all purposes
allowed under the Georgia Civil Practice Act.
But with that, everything else we can agree
to.
MR. MILLER: Okay. And how about
signature?
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1 MS. FRANKLIN: He's going to read and
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3 MR. MILLER: And we'll stipulate he can
4 do that in front of any notary public.
5 MS. FRANKLIN: Yes.
6 MR. MILLER: Dr. Kent, my name is Steve
7 Miller, and here in a moment the court
8 rep01ter is going to swear you in and we'll
9 ask you some questions.
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13 testified as follows:
14 EXAMINATION
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16 Q. Dr. Kent, my name is Steve Miller; I represent
17 Narconon of Georgia and Narconon International in a
18 lawsuit that's been filed here in Georgia. And my
19 understanding is that you've been designated as an
20 expert witness in this lawsuit; is that your
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22 A. That's my understanding, yes.
23 Q. And my purpose here today is to find out all
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1 A. I do.
2 Q. And I also want to fmd out the basis for all
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4 A. I understand.
5 Q. And if I ask you a question in an inartful
6 way, I would appreciate it if you would let me know.
7 A. I understand.
8 Q. So if you answer my question, I'm going to
9 assume that you've understood my question; is that fair?
10 A. That's fair.
11 Q. And we can take a break anytime you would
12 like.
13 Why don't we go ahead and have you just tell
14 us your full name, where you live, and how old you are.
15 A. Okay. My name is Stephen, S-T-E-P-H-E-N,
16 Alan, A-L-A-N, Kent, K-E-N-T. And I live in Edmonton,
17 Alberta, Canada, and I'm 60 years old.
18 Q. And are you a Canadian citizen?
19 A. Dual citizen.
20 Q. With Canada and ... ?
21 A. And U.S. Canada and U.S.
22 Q. We've marked as Exhibit 1 to your deposition
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And is it current and up to date?
Yes. I don't believe any articles have come
out since the last one I' ve got listed, number 43. I
don't think anything else has come out in print since
then, so, as far as I know, it's up to date.
Q. And we've been provided with Exhibit 2, which
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A. All right.
Q. --my understanding of your file materials
conceming your work on this case?
A. Yes. These are some initial submissions that
I -- that I made. Right.
Uh-huh (affirmative). Everything looks ...
I'm just astonished how much paper court cases
take. Yeah, this looks like -- this is certainly what I
submitted. I haven't seen anything omitted so far.
Q. Well, I will represent to you that I tried to
print out everything --
A. Sure. I understand.
Q. --that was E-mailed to us.
A. Sure.
Q. But let me know ifthere's any reason--
A. Okay.
Q. -- you think that's not your complete file
materials on this case.
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A. Hmrn. Uh-huh (affirmative).
Almost at the end. It looks -- it looks fine
so far.
Looks fine. And, sir, what's "NP" mean, down
at the bottom?
Q. I'll explain that right now. Exhibit 2 has
been marked with what we call Bates numbers?
A. Uh-huh (affirmative).
Q. And so it's Kent-0737 through Kent-0907.
That's just a way for us --
A. Sure.
Q. --to, in--
A. Sure.
Q. -- effect, you know, reference certain pages
in here.
A. Sure.
Q. So Exhibit 2 is your complete file materials
on this matter?
A. lt looks like it. And "NP," what does that
mean? I'm just curious; I don't know.
Q. Non-party.
A. Okay. Thank you. Sorry to ...
Q. No. No problem. You said that was your
"initial submission." Would that have been an initial
submission of information that you sent to the
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2 A. That's right, yes.
3 Q. Have you sent them anything else?
4 A. No.
5 Q. Any other file materials that you've generated
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7 A. No.
B Q. Have you consulted any documents that are not
9 contained in Exhibit 2 in order to reach your opinions?
10 A. I've looked at all of the Narconon course pack
11 materials that plaintiffs have.
12 And then I've done, you know, background
13 research material on different aspects ofNarconon, back
14 in files that are at the university. But in terms of
15 this particular -- this particular case, it's those
16 Narconon books. That-- I think copyright 2004.
17 Q. Okay. So let me be clear. In terms of
18 specific documents that you've referenced to reach your
19 opinions in this case, it would be Exhibit 2 and what
20 you describe as the course pack materials for Narconon?
21 A. That's right. And then reference from the
22 course pack material back to Scientology documents.
23 Q. What Scientology documents are you talking
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2 terms, for example, say, "suppressant person," and then
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4 Scientology web site a term like that exists. And in
5 all the instances of the terms that I identified as
6 crucial in this case, I found them all on Scientology
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B another Narconon case, or-- or earlier pack, not this
9 one, in documents back at the University.
10 So, for example, there's a course pack on the
11 TRs that I've looked at. But the TRs are mentioned--at
12 least, TR 1 through 4 is mentioned--on the Scientology
13 web page. So that's the sin1plest place to go. And I
14 cettainly went there to verify these terms. That these
15 terms are from Scientology.
16 Q. Do you have any notes from your review of the
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18 A. No.
19 Q. Nothing on a computer someplace about --
20 A. No.
21 Q. -- you made --
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23 Q. Okay. Give me the complete list of the terms
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A. I can do my best by memory. Now, it would be
useful if I had the course packs here. I don't know if
that's appropriate. If I do it by memory, I'm certainly
going to forget some things.
Q. Well, we're here, as you !mow, to find out all
of your opinions, --
A. Sure.
Q. -- and the basis for all of your opinions, so
I want for you to be as complete as you possibly can be.
A. Uh-huh (affirmative).
Q. But give me that .list as completely as you can
right now.
A. Okay. And I'll do so with the understanding
that I may forget something.
MS. FRANKLIN: Did you bring the course
packs?
THE WITNESS: The course pack's here.
BY MR. MILLER:
Q. Okay.
A. Do you want to -- if we can get them, it would
certainly reduce the mistakes I might make or the
omissions I might make.
Q. Okay. Have you tabbed them in some way?
A. No. I think I've put in two tabs in the
course packs. But it's pretty easy to look at them and
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know what's in them.
Q. Well, let's do this. Let me get your list off
the top of your head now, and then we'll come back to
the course pack materials a little bit later in the
deposition.
A. If that's -- as long as we come back to them,
that's -- that's fine.
An initial course pack has to do with training
routines. And in this case it's TR, for training
routines, 1 through 4, and then 8 through -- I'm sorry,
there's no TR5, as near as I can tell. And then TR6 to
9, although 9 seems to be repetition ofTR6. So in
essence there are -- the pack has nine TRs, but there's
actually only eight -- eight ones. Number 2 is --
refers to the "Purification Rundown." And that book
isn't here, so I had to look at other PUiification
Rundown materials. But I've known about the
Purification Rundown for years, so ...
Number 3 I believe is a pack about learning
how to learn. So banicrs to learning, attitudes that a
student might have that he or she knows everything ahead
of time. Three banicrs to leaming, one involving
doing modeling. Often clay modeling, but even using
items--paper clips and pencils and so on-- erasers--to
give mass -- well, it's to give mass --mass to an
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1 object, as it's called.
2 Second problems to learning involves what's
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4 to infonnation too -- that's above his or her learning
5 level. So information is too complicated for the
6 person. "Too steep a gradient" is the term.
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8 word." And "misunderstood word" is a cmcial concept in
9 Scientology. The argument is that if a person reacts
10 badly to a course, doesn't like the course, gets bored,
ll gets angry, it's almost certainly because be or she went
12 past a word that he or she did not understand. So it's
13 a misunderstood. So it's emphasis about always looking
14 up misunderstood words in a dictionary.
15 Now, 4, if I remember correctly, is-- there
16 are two books, there's 4a and 4b. 4a, if I'm not
17 mistaken, is essentially a repeat of the TR course. And
18 then 4b is an examination or a use of things called
19 "objectives." Objectives, at least as I see them,
20 are -- well, they're similar to some things that come up
21 in the TRs, but they're also similar to what's called
22 "locationals," Hubbard's -- L. Ron Hubbard's assumption
23 was that people can get focused on events, negative
24 events, in their past. And these locational -- or,
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2 know, to look at a wall and touch a wall, look at a
3 comer, on -- and touch a desk, and so on.
4 Q. Let me stop you just a minute. Who is L. Ron
5 Hubbard?
6 A. Oh. L. Ron Hubbard is the founder of both
7 Dianetics and Scientology, and he's the inspiration for
8 the materials in these -- all the course packs are based
9 upon the works of L. Ron Hubbard.
10 Q. And is that fairly common knowledge, tl1at
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13 A. You know, I'm always surprised how many people
14 don't know that. You know, because I've worked in it
15 through the years so much I assume it's widely known,
16 but I just run into people who don't know. So I
17 can't-- you'd think with the amount of publicity that
18 it would be widely known, but I can't say that it is. I
19 think a lot of people really don't know.
20 Q. But certainly it's out in the general body of
21 knowledge that people might have?
22 A. People might have it. I just don't know if
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24 Q. Have you done any sort of studies in terms of
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Q. -- of Scientology?
A. No, I'm talking about any name recognition.
So--
Q. Certainly easy to determine in this Internet
age, if you wanted to?
A. If you typed in "L. Ron Hubbard," you'd get
"Scientology" at some point.
Q. Okay. I intcnupted you; go ahead.
A. No, that's all right. 5 --I could get 5 and
6, the books, mixed up. One is the "Ups & Downs of Life
Course," and that's a straight recitation of Scientology
concepts about social personalities, antisocial
personalities and potential trouble sources. And these
are standard Scientology terms you can find many places.
There's even a course that Scientologists can take.
Next is -- and again, knowing that I could be
switching 5 and 6, next is a course on values. And this
is a Narconon course, really based upon -- I think it's
called the "Personal Integrity and Values Course" in
Scientology. And it gives forward to a person a number
of precepts or values that L. Ron Hubbard thought were
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6, let me see what 6 is. I'm blanking on 6.
7 is "The Way to Happiness." Which is a 21 --21
numbered set of precepts about what Hubbard thought were
important. Similar to, you know, do not kill, do not...
You know, honor governments if they respect people, and
so on and so on. And these are straight out of"The Way
to Happiness" book, published by Scientology for
Hubbard.
Now, the one that I'm missing, it's a
person -- let's see, the values... I'd have to -- if
I -- oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. No, it's not the
objectives.
Ifl saw the -- if I saw the... Oh, um ...
It'll come. I j ust can't remember. There's one that
I'm missing. And if I saw the book I could tell you.
It may in fact -- if it comes to me, I'll come back and
correct this.
Q. Okay. Well, we'll come back to the books, but
what I'm unclear on is, did you have to go and do
research in connection with reaching your opinions in
this case, to look at these books and say that there arc
Scientology type concepts in the books?
A. Well, I knew from previous research on
Narconon and Narconon cases that these are Scientology
books. So when I actually got ahold of this particular
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1 case it was very easy go through them again and say,
2 "Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, I recognize this. This is where
3 it comes from." So that was-- that was simple.
4 Q. Did you have a set of the books in Canada?
5 A. Not of-- not from this program, no.
6 Q. So I assume that the set of books you looked
7 at were provided to you by plaintiffs' counsel?
8 A. The set of books for this -- for this program,
9 for Georgia, yes.
10 Q. And when did you receive that set of books?
11 A. Yesterday.
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2 Q. Anybody else on the call?
3 A. I'm not sure; I know at some -- at some point
4 I had spoken to Rebecca. I'm not sure whether it was a
5 conference call or not.
6 Q. Have you talked to anybody in reaching your
7 opinions in this case other than Jeff Harris or Rebecca?
8 A. No.
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this case?
A. No. No.
12 Q. Other than looking at that set ofbooks 12 Q. You mentioned that you had worked on a another
13 yesterday and just confmning on the Internet some l3 Narconon case.
14 things, -- 14 A. No, there's -- well, it wasn't a case, no; it
15 A. Uh-huh (affim1ative). 15 was just the course-- the course pack. I mean,
16 Q. --anything else you've consulted, outside of 16 Narconon's been an interest, well, for a l ong time,
17 your Exhibit 2? 17 'cause it's part of Scientology.
18 A. As I say, I consulted a previous Narconon pack 18 Q. So you have not had any other claim where you
19 from Chilocco, Oklahoma. If you'll notice, these books 19 did any sort of legal consulting involving Narconon?
20 are copyright I think 1991 and 2004. The course pack 20 A. As far as I can recall, no.
21 that I had looked through was 2001. And it didn't have 21 Q. Let me show you Exhibit 3, which was a
22 the-- you know, the one booklet that the 2001 didn't 22 document that was--
23 have was "The Way to Happiness." 23 A. Yes.
24 Q. And when did you consult that Oklahoma course 24 Q. --supplied to us. And based on the
25 pack? 25 discussion we had at the beginning of the deposition, my
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1 A. When I was back in Canada. And I've had -- 1 understanding is that, whether you were or were not
2 you know, I've looked at it on and off for years, 'cause 2 provided with any of the documents on Exhibit 3, you
3 the university's had it for a long time. 3 have not consulted them in order to reach your opinions
4 Q. Did you specifically go and pull it out for 4 in this case?
5 this case? 5 A. That's right. I've not consulted -- I've not
6 A. Yes. 6 formed my opinion based upon any of -- any material
7 Q. When were you first contacted about this case? 7 here. And I-- I didn't even think I've seen the
a A. Geez. I'm --I can't tell you exactly. I'm 8 depositions here. As 1 say, I've got a CD-ROM which I
9 going to say probably November. 9 just assumed was repeats of Mary Rieser's, and I never
10 Q. Of 2011? 10 opened it. And then when I got my instructions, I
11 A. Of -- that's right, yes. 11 thought it really didn't matter what other people said
12 Q. Do you remember what part of the month? 12 in the depositions. This was just going to be exh·a,
l3 A. Oh, I can't -- I can't tell you. I really 13 unnecessmy work. So I didn't use anything on here to
14 can't tell you. 14 form my opinion.
15 Q. Do you have billing records? 15 Q. Prior to yesterday, when I assume you came to
16 A. Back in Canada I've got-- I've got some. We 16 Atlanta and met with the plaintiffs' lawyers, --
17 could look at the dates of when I got served that-- 17 A. Uh-huh (affirmative).
18 that document about what I was going to testify. 18 Q. --is that correct?
19 Q. How would we be able to tell from that 19 A. That's right. I was in the night before, but,
20 document when you were contacted? 20 yes, came -- we met yesterday.
21 A. Well, that-- that would give you at least one 21 Q. How long did you meet yesterday?
22 figure. I was contacted before then, I guess is what 22 A. 10:00 to about 3:30.
23 I'm saying. But I don't know that 1 can tell you in any 23 Q. And that's when you looked at the course pack
24 way when I first got the phone call. 24 materials for Narconon of Georgia?
25 Q. And who called you? 25 A. I took them home last night.
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1 Q. So it wasn't until last night that you looked
2 at the course pack material?
3 A. I started about 4:30.
4 Q. And how long did it take for you to go through
5 them?
6 A. Went up to-- I took a break for dinner, but
7 went up to about 11:00, and then fmished up one this
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Q. How much time did you spend this morning?
A. 20 minutes, half hour.
Q. And it was during the course of doing that
that you went onto the Internet to just double-check
that some of these were Scientology type principles?
A. Well, I knew they were. They're such basic
15 principles of Scientology that they're really everywhere
16 in the literature. I just got curious in tenns -- for
availability, to see if they were on the Internet, and
there they were.
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A. Yes.
Q. --reviewing these materials, how much time
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1 two hours, because, again, I had to make the nip tvvice.
2 Going through the documents, the Chilocco,
3 Oklahoma, it's at least six hours.
4 Q. Okay. So approximately eight hours prior to
5 yesterday?
6 A. More like ten. At least.
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A. I don't think so. 1 think I did all the
9 collections. I think I pulled all the documents myself,
10 as far as I can remember.
11 Q. Would that approximately ten hours also
12 include the time you spent talking on the telephone to
13 the plaintiffs' lawyers?
14 A. No. I didn't-- no, 1 didn't factor that in
15 at all.
1 6 Q. Have you provided them wi th any summa1y of
17 your opinions in writing, E-mails, anything like that?
18 A. No.
19 Q. Let me show you what's been marked as
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20 Exhibit 4, which is the Jetter we received disclosing
21 the areas where you're going to offer expert opinion,
and ask you to look at that letter and tell me if that
is a fair statement of all of the areas that you're
going to offer expert opinions in in this case.
23 A. A-- well, I can't-- I haven't added up 23
24 hours, but I-- I spent enough time going -- collecting 24
2 5 materials from files, which would have been a couple of 2 5 A. " .. . provide testimony at n·ial outlining the
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1 hours. Getting -- going through those files and pulling
2 out the materials that I sent down. And that took a bit
3 longer, because I drove to FedEx and FedEx was closed
4 that day, so I had to go back a second day. It's the
5 holidays, and things are a bit screwed up. Then I spent
6 several nights going through the -- the Narconon
7 Chilocco booklets, and just to see, you know, to see
8 where that material came from.
9 Q. Okay. I'm just trying to find out the total
10 number of hours you've spent working on this--
11 A. Yeah. 1 have--
12 Q. --before yesterday.
13 A. I haven't even added them up, sir; I couldn't
14 tell you.
1 5 Q. Can you give me your best estimate?
16 Actually, don't write on the back of that.
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1 beliefs and practices of members ... Scientology"; if I
2 get asked, yes. Number 2, " ... the vast majority of
3 Narconon of Georgia's training materials and course
4 exercises are based prima1ily on the principles of the
5 Church of Scientology." Yes. " ... testify ... Narconon
6 International's corporate structure and explain how
7 Narconon International and Narconon of Georgia are
a connected to the Church of Scientology." I can't say
9 much about number 3, I can say, you know, a little.
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specific questions.
A. Sure.
14 Q. Is there anything else you're going to offer
1 5 an opinion on, that's not set out here in Exhibit 4?
16 A. I don't intend to.
1 7 I'll give you a blank piece of paper. 17 Q. Going back to your CV for just a minute, let
1 8 A. Okay, thanks. 18 me ask you a few questions about your background.
1 9 I'm going to -- again, this is from-- from 19 I'll tell you, before I do that, Dr. Kent, let
20 memory, but two in terms of collecting files-- 20 me ask you to look at Exhibit 5, which was an earlier
21 Q. And that would be the Exhibit 2 materials? 21 disclosure we got about your opinions. And I believe
22 A. More than that. And I had a large amount of 22 there's nothing in there that' s not consistent with what
23 material-- probably-- that I had to go through and 23 you have identified to us as your expert opinions that
24 weed out. And so the weeding out -- and I'll include 24 you're going to testify about in Exhibit No.2? Or,
2 5 that with sending. And this will be lowball, I'll say 25 excuse me, Exhibit No. 4? But I just want to make sure.
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1 A. Uh-huh (affirmative). Well, it's a bit 1
2 different. I hadn't planned to talk about student and 2
3 staff interactions, and that's mentioned in here. 3
4 Q. Okay. I just wanted to confirm-- 4
5 A. Sure. 5
6 Q. --you're not going to talk about student and 6
7 staff interactions -- 7
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9 Q. --in the Narconon of Georgia program. 9
10 A. Yeah. That-- you know, I'd rather stick to 10
11 the December 12th. And then "Narconon International's 11
12 oversight," as much as 1 can say, I'll say number 3 12
13 here, it's not a-- that's not a major focus of my -- of 13
14 my intentions. 14
15 Q. Maybe I can speed this up. Can we rely upon 15
16 what's in Exhibit 4 as -- 16
17 A. Oh, yes. 17
18 Q. --the complete universe of the opinions 18
19 you're going to give in this case? 19
20 A. Yes, sir. 20
21 Q. And to the extent Exhibit No.5 may have 21
22 anything in it that's not in Exhibit No.4, we can 22
23 ignore that? 23
24 A. Yes. 24
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1 you got your undergraduate degree at the University of 1
2 Maryland in sociology? 2
3 A. That's correct. 3
4 Q. And then it looks like you were out of school 4
5 for a couple years? 5
6 A. Two years. 6
7 Q. What did you do during that period of time? 7
8 A. Looked for jobs, worked as a cook, was a 8
9 counselor for handicapped. So I think those three 9
10 things. 10
11 Q. And then in 1975 you went back to graduate 11
12 school in religion? 12
13 A. That's right. I -- it was the department of I 13
14 think philosophy and religion, but my -- I was in the 14
15 religion side ofthe department. 15
16 Q. It looks like you've got two master's degrees 16
17 in r eligion, and then a Ph.D. in religion? 17
18 A. Yes, sir. Two master's is just bad planning 18
19 on my part, but it's true. 19
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21 A. Changed schools, changed area of focus. 21
22 You'll notice the first M.A., the focus was "Histmy of 22
23 religions--Hinduism," and in order to go on to Hinduism 23
24 I would have had to do ex -- I'd studied Hindi for two 24
25 years, and I' d've had to go into San -- and study 25
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Sanskrit. And I started it, but just wasn't-- not
enjoying it, so I changed from that program. And the
program had a-- I think it was a social sciences of
religion focus that I then shifted into, but I bad to do
a second M.A. So it was a different school.
Q. And so all of your graduate work and your
Ph.D., your doctorate, is in the area of religion?
A. Yes; but it's -- especially at McMaster, the
religion department at McMaster was in the social
sciences faculty. Some religious studies programs are
in humanities, and McMaster's was in social sciences.
So it was a Ph.D. in religion, but in the social
sciences. I remember, for example, I was a teaching
assistant for a sociologist. So -- so it was the social
sciences of religion program, if that helps clarify its
location.
Q. Okay. But your advanced degrees are in the
area of religion?
A. That's right, yeah.
Q. How did you support yourself from 1975 to
1983?
A. At first, at American University, I was a dorm
counselor. For I think three -- three long and arduous
and painful semesters. It was an awful job. And then I
got a job as a teaching assistant, for the final
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semester.
At McMaster, one of the reasons I went to
McMaster is it had good funding for graduate students.
It was one of the best-funded programs I think in North
America, and I happened to get into it. So there was
funding there, but it also involved us doing teaching
assistantships. And then at some point at McMaster I
sta1ted getting some student's fellowships and
scholarships and so on.
And I'm sure, you know, I -- I'm sure my
parents helped me out at various times.
Q. From 1983 on, how have you been employed?
A. I finished the dissertation -- I remember
interrupting people's Christmas parties to give them --
to try to give them my dissertation. Got in the car in
Ontario and then drove out to Edmonton, Alberta, so I
got there in January 1984, and I was a-- it's called a
postdoctoral fellow. It's -- it was a two-year
position, doctoral in -- the teclmical term was Izaak
Walton Killam postdoctoral fellow. And it's a--
postdocs, as they're called, usually go to recent Ph.D.s
who haven't gotten jobs yet but who have shown a lot of
promise in scholarship. And I'd published a fair amount
as a graduate student. So I was at University of
Alberta for two years as a postdoctoral fellow and then
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for one semester as a sessional instructor.
And after that I got a job--I don't think it
was-- it wasn't tenure stream, it was the dangling
carrot of possible tenure stream--back at -- oh,
University-- back at University of Waterloo. I was
there for one year. And while I was there, a position
7 opened up back at the University of Alberta which was
8 tenure stream, in sociology of religion. So when I went
9 from McMaster and Ph.D., I went into a sociology
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1 affidavit or a deposition, you would have copies of
2 those?
3 A. I should.
4 Q. On Exhibit 1, could you check for us the legal
5 matters where you've offered some sort of opinion that
touched upon Scientology? 6
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Q. And just check on the exhibit for us, if you
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11 department in Alberta, I went to Waterloo, into a
sociology department, and during my year there a
position -- tenure stream position opened up back in 13
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civil case in Edmonton, Alberta.
Q. Maybe you could give us the numbers.
A. Oh, that's the first one, in 1984, under
"Legal Consultations and Testimonies."
Q. Okay. Just tick off the ones that touched on
Scientology.
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A. Okay. And then 1997, the Ken Montgomery
versus Allan Anthony Buttnor.
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nature of the issue --
A. Boy.
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1 guess, but just a small amount of time.
2 Q. Have you listed all of the legal consulting or
3 legal type work you've done on Exhibit No. 1?
4 A. As far as I know, I have. 1 don't-- if I've
5 left anything out, it's certainly not been intentional.
6 Q. I don't see this case on your list.
7 A. Oh, no; I wouldn't -- I wouldn't have put it
8 on there.
9 Q. Okay. But other than this case, is there
10 anything else that you can think of where you've offered
11 opinions or testimony involving matters of legal
12 dispute, that's not on Exhibit 1?
13 A. As far as I know, sir, all the submissions I
14 made in legal matters are listed on here, except for
15 this case.
16 Q. And do you keep copies of all the submissions
1 7 that you've made?
18 A. I do.
1 9 Q. 1 know some of them are posted on your web
2 o site, 1 believe.
21 A. That's right, yes.
22 Q. But not all of them?
23 A. That's true. There arc some ... Well, some
24 there aren't even written reports for.
25 Q. But if there was a written report, or an
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1 A. That's a long time ago. As I can best recall
2 at this time, it was a custody dispute, if I'm not
3 mistaken. I know it involved children. So I'm saying
4 custody; it could have been visitation.
5 Q. Okay. How about Ken Montgomery?
6 A. Ken Montgomery was an Edmonton city pol ice
7 officer at that time, and Allan Anthony Buttnor was a
8 prominent local Scientologist. Background for that
9 case, Ken Montgomery worked in an intelligence unit in
10 the police, the Edmonton h1tegrated Intelligence Unit,
11 EIIU. He was city police, and there was an RCMP
12 partnered with him. They had -- Scientology thought the
1 3 intelligence unit was investigating Scientology. And so
14 Scientology called a meeting with the two police
15 officers. I wasn't at the meeting. I was working a lot
16 with the police at this time, so I wasn't at the meeting
1 7 but 1 was cettainly in touch with the cops. I think the
18 meeting didn't go terribly well. And then a few days
1 9 later, Mr. Buttnor -- well, a few days later, very short
20 time later, Mr. Buttnor got arrested in the city. And
21 initially he was charged with something involving child
22 interference. There was a person who had left the
2 3 group, and she had a number of kids and this is one of
24 her children, and Mr. Buttnor got charged.
25 Eventually-- and I'll spare you all the
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1 details about how the case unfolded, but eventually the
2 charges against Mr. Buttnor got dropped.
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1 Q. Okay. Well, I'm going to ask you-- would you
2 have any objection to me getting copies of these various
submissions? 3
A. And at some point-- at some point Mr. Buttnor
lay charges, probably-- involving-- something
involving harassment of some sort, against the two
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15 Church of Scientology Religious Education Inc." This -- 15
I didn't testify in this case; I submitted a witness 16
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cases in this period, so 1998, there's a 1999 court
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A. I don't have any objection. If--
Q. Well, I'm going to ask you, then, to, you
know, through your lawyer--
A. Yeah.
Q. -- to provide that to me. So I'm really
looking for just a brief nutshell --
A. Yeah.
Q. --on what the issue was.
A. Yeah, I mean, I don't mind. I don't know how
these processes work, because it doesn't -- none of
these have direct bearing upon this case. I didn't
consult any of them.
Q. I understand.
A. So, you know, ifl -- again, I don't know
how-- what the law is. A lot of them are on the
Internet; if I say --just ifl say no, what are the
consequences?
Q. Well, I would ask you what objection you would
have to me having them.
A. Uh-huh (affirmative).
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actions against him,'' then there's 1999, "Bridge
Publications versus F.A.C.T.NET, Lawrence
Wallersheim ... " This was a period where a number of
Scientology critics--I think in most cases former
members--were putting Scientology documents on the
Internet. Some of the documents may have been upper
level, so-called secret documents, but some of the --
were just ordinary ones, and Scientology in various
cases sued for copytight violations and so on. Now, I 10
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doesn't have any bearing on this patticular case, as
near as I can tell; I didn't consult any of them. And
so I just am trying to make sure I don't have things
used against me that didn't have any bearing upon my
particular decision. That's the only reason.
Q. Okay. So, having articulated your reason, do
you have an objection to providing me with copies?
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THE WITNESS: I think I'll check with
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again, you can get a lot of them tight off
the Internet.
Q. Okay.
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A. I'll say yes, as long as we take that
copyright litigation broadly. 'Cause there was a lot
going on in this period.
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21 was a child visitation case in London, England. And
there were two experts, me and another person, I'll say
on -- I'll use this l anguage, but I'll clarify it in a
second. -- on one -- on one side, and Scientology had
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clear to us that the court said, "You can't take sides,"
that "The expert witnesses have to be on the side of the
best interests of the child." So the judge instructed
us to sit in a room and come up with an agreed-upon
5 statement. So we sat in a room for, I don't know, a
6 good day, maybe longer, and I thought we had hammered
out a pretty good statement. But none of us had-- this
is really before laptops, particularly. So none of us
had a computer, and I typed it up later, and the other
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11 was representing Scientology, although also representing
the interests of the child, then backed away from
signing it. So in essence our consultation fell apart.
So there's no written document for that one at all.
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1 telephone. And this was also a -- if I'm not mistaken,
2 it was a divorce. And I think it was a custody case.
3 And Tom Padgett had left the group, and be was claiming,
4 among other things, he had been fair-gamed. And I'm not
5 sure what else I discussed in that. I'm pretty sure I
6 discussed issues about fair gan1e, which is a policy that
7 Scientology now denies exists but critics are insistent
8 that it continues, of-- of various kinds of harassments
9 against critics. So I'm pretty sure that was -- I
10 remembered something about Tom Padgett saying he had
11 some slogans sprayed on his garage door and so on. So I
12 think there was something about fair game in there.
13 Q. Okay. Up until this point in time, had you
14 been deposed in any of these other matters, other than
15 the Padgett case?
16 A. I'll look, but I don't think so.
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Montgomery, as far as I can ... Not in Bonnie Woods.
Dennis Erlich, I don't think so. Certainly not in the
case in London in '99. Dennis Erlich, suppressant
person, don't think so. Bridge, no. EEOC, no; it
never -- it got settled out of court. Lisa McPherson,
wasn't deposed in that. So as far as I can recall here,
the Padgett one was the first instance.
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Q. What was the issue there, very briefly?
A. This was a case involving what's called the
World Institute of Scientology Enterprises. It's the
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application of Scientology practice management or
business management programs into work -- into the
workplace. And this was a veterinary hospital, if you
can call it, and the head -- the head veterinarian had
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6 them into her workplace. And I can't remember how many
7 employees objected. They -- they were clainllng that
a Scientology was a religion, and it violated their
had been receiving Dianetics auditing. And she was
4 about to join the Sea Org when she had an interaction
5 with members of her family, and she suddenly decided not
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after she made these critical comments, she claimed that
she was fair-gamed. That somebody was coming to her
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1 o the EEOC picked up that case. Now, that one is on the
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12 a lawsuit against Scientology, and I was a witness on
her behalf. I was on the witness stand for a long time,
but twice. I flew over there. And at the time I
believe I was associate chair graduate, so I was --
associate chair for graduate students in the sociology
depattment, so I had a reduced cour -- I think I had a
reduced course load. So I had some flexibility with
time, and I was -- I flew there once and they didn't
finish the deposition, so I had to fly back again. And
that case settled out of court.
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handle psychoses. As be defined it. But there are 20
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can't remember what's there. And I think that one's on 22
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some sort of court proceeding?
A. I just testified in a court proceeding. And,
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4 Johnston's had not hired anyone, so -- so the only
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8 in that case.
9 Q. What's the next one?
10 A. Okay. Oh, the "Diana Kostelny ... conceming
11 Scientology and WISE." You know, I can't remember
12 anything in detail about what that case was. So I
13 just -- I can't help you there.
l4 2003, "Front Sight Management..."; he was a
15 gun instructor in Nevada, I think Las V cgas. And, if I
16 remember correctly, he had started using WISE in his
17 company, and there was --I'm not going to say-- I know
18 there was a big objection by one person who had been an
19 employee. And I think I submitted a statement on -- on
20 her behalf. I don't recall what happened to the case.
21 I think it settled out of court, but I'm not sure. As
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1 But I -- maybe time does fly that fast. But this was a
WISE case, and I was deposed in this case. This was a
case in Denver, and this was -- Nakishia Williams was
a -- I believe a dental hygienist, and her employ --
employer, Dr. Lowery, started using practice --
Scientology-based practice management programs in the
business. And Nakishia objected on several grounds.
And, you know, got -- it was a civil case that settled
out of court. But I was deposed for a few hours in that
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Q. I think we established earlier, none of these
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A. None.
Q. -- is that--
A. No, sir.
Q. -- conect? And I counted 22 matters; I guess
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A. 22, and this would be 23.
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eight, nine, ten, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15; this would be 16?
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Q. I'll take your count, 16 of the 23. And on
all of those occasions, Dr. Kent, I assume that you have
testified in opposition to something having to do with
Scientology?
A. I've always been on -- I've never testified on
behalf of Scientology. Scientology's never contacted me
to testify, so ...
Q. And you've always been critical of Scientology
in some regard with respect to these legal matters?
A. Critical about some aspect of Scientology's
behavior, yeah.
Q. Let me ask you about that. Would it be fair
for me to assume that you're not going to offer
criticism of Scientology as a religious belief system?
A. That's not my intention here, no, sir. You
know ...
Q. But my understanding is that in these cases
that you've identified, there was some specific practice
or set of practices that you were critical of?
A. Certainly in the ones I can think of of fhand.
Again, with the understanding that I can't remember
clearly what I said in some of these cases, it would be
the case that I'd be clitical of some aspects of
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Q. Right. And that's what I'm getting at, just
broadly speaking; you're not going to be critical of
anyone's religious beliefs, it would just be if there
was some practice or behavior that you found
objectionable?
A. In this case I'm not even talking about being
critical of people's r eligious beliefs. My attitude
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15 Q. Right. And so if there was ham1ful behavior,
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5 A. I have no intention of making any -- offering
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effective than any other kinds of programs.
Q. And so if people come in and testify in this
case that they've gone tlu·ough the Narconon course and
it's gotten them off a drug or it's gotten them off of
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Q. Have you finished your work in the case? Is
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A. I don't -- let me think. I think I've done --
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13 looks like it's got conected. No, I'm not an M.D., I'm 13 I'm forgetting. You know, 1--1 think I've done all
14 not a psych -- I'm not a psychologist. 14 that I need to.
15 Q. Okay. And, again, I just want to try to make 15 Q. The reason I'm asking, of course, is because
16 sure we're clear on this. You're not going to offer any 16 we want to know what you might testify to in the trial
17 opinions in this case about what Dr. Robbins may or may 17 of the case, so if there was something else --
18 not have done as a medical doctor; is that conect? 18 A. Yeah, if there was something else.
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which I would include in the sauna.
Q. And same with the vitamin therapy?
A. That's true.
Q. Okay. So, in other words --
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Q. Dr. Kent, I appreciate you clarifying the
areas you are not going to give opinions. But in
addition to not planning to give opinions in those areas
we've just discussed, it sounds like you would not feel
that you would be qualified as an expert to give
opinions in those areas.
A. No; I'm not-- anything involving medicine I
don't feel qualified to talk about. So physiology or
drug rehab benefits or whatnot, that's just -- they're
not my area of training, so ...
Q. Okay. And I think I know the answer to this,
but you're not going to offer any opinions about whether
the Narconon program is more or less effective than any
other type of drug and alcohol addiction --
A. I'm not going to offer any opinions --
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A. As far as I know, that's true. I don't have
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to do next.
Q. And let's go to Exhibit 4 for a minute, which
is the statements about the opinions --
A. Uh-huh (affirmative).
Q. --that you anticipate giving in this case.
And I'm going to ask you quite a few questions about
numbers 1 and 2, since you indicate those are areas
where you're going to give opinions?
A. Yes.
Q. Okay. But you indicated that there would be
something very limited that you might say about
number 3, and I thought I would just start there and try
to find out what, if anything, you're going to say
about--
A. Yeah.
Q. -- Narconon International's corporate
structure, and how Narconon International and Narconon
of Georgia are connected to the Church of Scientology.
A. Okay. That's fair enough, and that's fairly
short. Narconon uses materials written by L. Ron
Hubbard. And in order to -- and as part of the right to
use that materials, Narconon pays I believe it's a ten
percent fee back into... 1'11 say the Scientology
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Now, I'm not clear whether the ten percent fee
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Association for Better Living and Education. So I'm
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it gets into the larger Scientology organization. And
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1 percent is paid for?
2 A. My understanding is -- I call it a licensing
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5 Q. Okay. But in tetms of the interaction between
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Q. Okay.
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Q. And you're not a lawyer or a legal expert, as
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A. No, I'm not.
Q. And you're not an expert on regulations and
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Q. And I--
A. -- in licensing or anything like that, no.
Q. Okay. And so in terms of how a drug and
alcohol program might be licensed or regulated, you're
not going to offer any opinions about that?
A. I have no opinions on that, no.
Q. And same with any sort of housing that might
be associated with the program?
A. No opinion on housing issues.
Q. Okay. Or how housing should be run, or how
people should be supervised, or anything like that?
A. No, that's all-- you know, l wasn't asked to
comment on the daily runnings of the program, and, you
know, I'm not going to.
Q. As far as nwnber 3 is concerned, then, it
sounds like -- I'm going to try to summarize but be
fair; is that you believe that Narconon of Georgia pays
a ten percent licensing type fee that goes to somebody,
and you're not sure where it goes, and whoever it goes
to, you're not sure where it might go, if anyplace,
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A. That's correct.
Q. And is it your understanding it is a licensing
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Narconon International and Scientology.
Q. And your understanding is Narconon
lntemational is a nonprofit organization?
A. Well, in the documents I submitted, there are
certain-- in one of the initial submissions to the IRS,
ifl remember correctly, that Narconon said that it was
a tax-- I believe it said it was a tax-exempt
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Q. Maybe I can approach it this way.
A. Okay.
Q. I will tell you that my understanding is that
Narconon International is a nonprofit organization. Do
you have any reason to believe that that's not true, as
we sit here today?
A. I would want to look at, again, very
carefully, the IRS decision. Because it looks to me
like Narconon International-- it was one ofl think it
was 136 Scientology satellite organizations, ancillary
organizations, that received charitable status. Through
the IRS decision. That's my understanding now. But I
do remember that Narconon had claimed that it was a
tax-exempt prior to that IRS decision. So however the
IRS decision -- we'd have to look at that -- that
carefully. But... And we'd have to fmd it-- see, I
think this -- all right, let me see.
It might take a few minutes for us -- and feel
free to help me on this. The mentions ofNarconon in
the IRS decision. That's my only concern with agreeing
with your statement, is that it's -- I've got a certain
level of ambiguity about the impact of this IRS decision
upon Narconon.
Q. My recollection, Dr. Kent, was that Narconon
International is not in that list of organizations
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1 that's in the IRS, and so... But 1 think we both need
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3 A. Yeah, 1...
4 MR. MILLER: Swap with me. You have my
5 copy where I've got them stapled separately.
6 MS. FRANKLIN: Yeah. I've got a copy of
7 his file, but it's not Bates numbered, and
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9 MR. MILLER: Yeah, I've got one that's
10 Bates numbered. And I'm--
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13 MS. FRANKLIN: That's fme. That's
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15 THE WITNESS: It is -- A Narconon is ...
16 MR. MILLER: Would you mark this as the
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18 THE WITNESS: Tbjs could take us a few
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20 it's an important point; now, whether we want
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1 THE WITNESS: I don't think it's back
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3 Page Bates 885, number 4. "The social
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6 June submission along with the subsidiaries,
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8 organizations, or sublicenses thereof, e.g.,
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10 particular names, copyrights, service marks,
11 and/or technologies, are Scientology-relatcd
12 entities. Thus, for example, Citizens
13 Commission on Human Rights, National
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15 Justice, Scientology Defense Fund Trust,
16 Association for Better Living and Education,
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18 International, The Way to Happiness
19 Foundation, and the Foundation for Religious
20 Freedom are Scientology-related entities."
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1 Q. Well, maybe l can get to it this way. First
2 of all, I've marked the document you're looking at I
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4 A. Okay.
5 Q. --to your deposition?
6 MS. FRANKLIN: That's just--
7 THE WITNESS: Just the IRS --
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10 Q. And, Dr. Kent, as I understand it, this is an
11 agreement by the United States government in 1993 that
12 found that the -- well, I want to be careful about the
13 date, but this was an agreement that resolved some
14 disputes with some of the Scientology entities and the
15 Internal Revenue Service about whether or not the Church
16 of Scientology would be tax-exempt?
17 A. That's true. l'd say -- I'd go a bit further;
18 I'd say it settled all disputes. This was a blanket
19 settlement.
20 Q. And the upshot of this was that at least
21 sometime in the 1990s there was an agreement by the
22 government that these entities were all tax-exempt?
23 A. There was an agreement by the IRS. It
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1 Q. I'm treating the Internal Revenue Service as
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3 A. Sure. Sure. But the United States government
4 is multifaceted. And so the court system was not party
5 to this particular decision.
6 Q. Okay. Well, as far as the United States
7 government is concerned for tax purposes, all the
8 Scientology organizations are considered to be
9 tax-exempt?
10 A. That's my -- 1 wouldn't say all ofthem. So,
11 for example, there's no mention in the IRS decision of
12 the Scientology Rehabilitation Project Force program.
13 And this is an -- well, I've called it an internal
14 reeducation -- well, reindocttination, reeducation,
15 penal system. That's not mentioned anywhere in here.
16 So I wouldn't say that all Scientology organizations,
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20 Q. Okay. What was the page you were looking at
21 earlier? Never mind, I found it.
22 A. Okay.
23 Q. But going back to my original question; --
24 A. Uh-huh (affitmative).
25 Q. -- do you have any reason to think that
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1 Narconon International is not a nonprofit organization?
2 A. It's -- I'm unclear as to whether it's a
3 nonprofit or-- or a charity. So ...
4 Q. What's the distinction that you're drawing
5 there?
6 A. I think it might have to do with paying a
7 pmticular kind of taxes. Again, I'm not a -- so it's
8 either one or the other.
9 Q. Well, I'm not ruling out that it's a
10 charitable nonprofit; --
ll A. Yeah.
12 Q. -- in fact, I believe it is a charitable
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14 A. Okay.
15 Q. You would have no reason to disagree with
16 that, would you?
17 A. Not necessarily, no.
18 Q. And same with Narconon of Georgia; if there's
19 evidence that that's a charitable nonprofit
20 organization, would you have any reason to disagree with
21 that?
22 A. Wouldn't surprise me. Let's put it that way.
23 Q. Okay. I just want to make sure that you're
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2 A. I don't intend to.
3 Q. And this IRS agreement that we've marked as
4 Exhibit 7, this had to do with a dispute about the
5 religious status of some of these organizations, as I
6 understand it?
7 A. In various -- this is -- the final IRS
8 agreement is secret. So both Scientology and the IRS
9 have not released the fmal agreement. This was, as
10 near as 1 can -- near as I recall, the -- the
11 next-to-last agreement, that the Wall Street Journal got
12 ahold of and released. And then it's been reproduced in
13 various web sites. So there could be differences in the
14 final agreement. I think there is even a tax case that
15 demanded the IRS release the agreement, and it -- it
16 refused to do so. So there conceivably could be some
17 differences in the final agreement. I don't think there
18 are. I'd be very surprised.
19 Q. But in terms of those negotiations, the
20 drafting of these agreements, that type of thing, you
21 don't have any personal knowledge about that, do you?
22 A. I was not involved in any of it, so ...
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Okay. So going back to Narconon
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Narconon International with any other
organization that you would consider to be a
Scientology-related organization?
A. No, sir, I have no plans to talk about how
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organizations.
Q. And 1 think you already answered this, but
you're not going to talk about how Narconon
International may interact with Narconon of Georgia?
Other--
A. I'm not going to talk about interactions
between Narconon International and Narconon of Georgia.
Q. And I think I know the answer to this,
Dr. Kent, but let me just make sure; have you spoken to
anybody who has ever gone through a Narconon program?
A. I have, actually.
Q. Who is that?
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according to the university ethics that I have to
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Q. Well, are you going to rely upon any
infonnation --
A. No.
Q. -- that you were provided?
A. No, sir, I'm not going to rely upon anything
anybody's told me.
Q. About going through the Narconon program, or
what the Narconon program is like, or anything like
that?
A. I'm not going to rely on any of that, no, sir.
Q. Or recount or offer that information at trial?
A. No, sir, I'm not going to recount anything
from any-- any account.
Q. Would your billing records indicate when you
were first contacted about this matter?
A. Oh, I doubt it.
Q. What sort ofbilling records do you keep?
A. When I start reading, I scribble down the
time, and when I stop, I scribble down the time.
Q. Would those scribbles also have a date?
A. They'd have a date, yeah.
Q. So wouldn't that tell us when you first were
contacted, or at least when you first did some work on
it that you were going to bill for?
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1 A. Yeah, they would. It's just that I don't --
2 with phone calls, I -- I'm an academic, I talk to people
3 all the time for free. And so when I talk to lawyers, I
4 almost never bill them. It's just part of what I do as
5 a researcher. It's very different organization behavior
6 for lawyers, and you can understand why.
7 Q. Well, ifl understand what you're saying,
8 though, is that when Jeff Harris called you up on the
9 phone, you would not have made a note on that for
10 billing purposes?
11 A. That's very true.
12 Q. But when somebody decided to hire you, and you
13 started, for example, pulling these materials out of
14 your files, --
15 A. Yeah.
16 Q. -- then you would make a notation of the date
17 that you started to pull those materials out and some
18 record of the time you spent?
19 A. That's true.
20 Q. Is that piece of paper still in existence?
21 A. The -- it would be back in Edmonton.
2:;1 Q. Okay. Can we have an agreement that you will
23 provide that to Rebecca, and --
24 A. Oh, yeah; I've got to provide that at some
25 point. Sure.
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1 Q. Have you billed them anything to date?
2 A. Nothing.
3 MS. FRANKLIN: I can't agree that he's
4 going to provide that to me. If he does,
5 I'll provide it to you.
6 BY MR. MILLER:
7 Q. Well, so you'll provide her with the record of
8 when you first started doing work?
9 A. Yes, sir.
10 Q. And then she'll provide that to us; --
11 A. Yes, sir.
12 Q. -- is that fair?
13 The course pack that you looked at last
14 night --
15 A. Yes, sir.
16 Q. -- from the Narconon of Georgia course, was
1 7 there anything in that course pack that you're going to
18 offer the opinion was harmful to the students going
19 through the Narconon of Georgia program?
20 A. I'm not -- I don't plan to get into i ssues
21 about hatm or potential hann. Again, because those
22 issues primarily would be medical. But even if they
23 would be social, they're not what I was, you might say,
24 contracted to talk about. So I have no plans to do
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So whether they were helpful, harmful , you're
just not going to offer any opinion about that one way
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A. That's correct.
Q. And the same with regard to any of the course
pack materials that you've reviewed from Oklahoma;
you're not going to offer any opinions about whether
those are helpful or hannful?
A. No; and they don' t-- they're not this case
anyway, but same-- same thing.
Q. And, again, I'm not trying to beat a dead
horse, --
A. Uh-huh (affinnative).
Q. -- but my understanding of what you're telling
me is that you're not going to come into court in this
case and say that there was something that was going on
in this course pack of materials from Narconon of
Georgia that you consider to be harmful to any of the
students like Patrick Desmond?
A. That's not my hired intention, so I plan to
stay away from any of those areas.
MR. MILLER: Why don't we go ahead and
take a short break, Rebecca?
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(Recess at ll:41, resumed at 11:58.)
(Thereupon, Ms. Marschalk is not present
in the deposition room.)
BY MR. MILLER:
Q. Dr. Kent, let me go back and clean up j ust a
couple things.
I think you've already testifi ed that you're
not relying upon any of the documents or depositions
that we've identified in this Exhibit 3?
A. That's conect.
Q. But you had also mentioned that you might have
glanced at some portion of something in there, a
deposition or something, --
A. Uh-huh (affmnative).
Q. --but I take it you're not relying upon
anything you may have, you know, read in the
depositions?
A. I'm not relying upon anything in the
depositions. I figured in terms of what I was asked to
do, outlining the beliefs and practices of Scientology
and also any connection between course materials of
Narconon and Scientology, it didn't matter what any of
these testimony -- any of these depositions may have
said.
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1 Q. Okay.
2 A. So I'm just not getting anywhere near them.
3 Q. And in terms of what the events may have been
4 on the day that Patrick Desmond died, you're not going
5 to offer any opinions about what happened that night,
6 are you?
7 A. No, sir.
8 Q. And you're not going to offer any opinions
9 about the cause of his death, are you?
10 A. No, sir.
11 Q. You're not going to offer any opinions
12 critical of the defendant Delgado in this case?
13 A. No, sir.
14 Q. Or, specifically, you're not going to offer
15 any opinions critical ofNarconon of Georgia or Narconon
16 International, as I understand it?
17 A. I don't see it as my obligation here.
18 Q. Okay.
19 A. So I don't intend to.
20 Q. And basically it's going to be 1 and 2 on
21 Exhibit 4, will be the limit of your opinions in this
22 case?
23 A. That's true.
24 Q. And those opinions are based, as I understand
25 it, on your general familiarity with Scientology and
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3 materials?
4 A. That's correct.
5 Q. And the ten percent number, is that just
6 something that you've heard from somebody?
7 A. Oh, I'm -- no, I'm sure I read it in some
8 materials over the years. I mean, I've been studying
9 Scientology and other groups for at least a quarter of a
10 century. And it's a fairly standard practice in
11 Scientology for these satellite groups to pay a
12 percentage back to the organization. So that's fairly
13 standard procedure.
14 Q. Is it fairly standard, though, in lots of
15 organizations to have people pay some sort oflicensing
16 or royalty fee if they're using copyrighted or
17 trademarked materials?
18 A. I can't say.
19 Q. So whether this is the same or different than
20 practices in groups like Alcoholics Anonymous or the Boy
21 Scouts or anything, you just don't know?
22 A. I'm not an organizational sociologist, so I
23 can't say.
24 Q. I think you've told us this already, but am I
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of the subjects that we're talking about today?
A. No.
Q. Did you review Exhibit 4 before it was sent to
the lawyers in this case? That's the letter that
outlines your opinions.
A. I got I think a draft of it, but I hadn't seen
the actual letter until I got here.
Q. Okay. But as far as Exhibit No. 4 is
concerned, as far as your opinions are concerned, they
did run this language by you for opinions 1 and 2?
A. I believe so. I do recall getting a draft and
approving the draft.
Q. And let me work kind of up backwards on this
list, as we've done already. We talked about 3 already
on your list, and I think you've told me all the
opinions you have connected to number 3 --
A. Uh-huh (affim1ative).
Q. -- on Exhibit 4. Let's talk about your
opinion number 2 on Exhibit No. 4. And that opinion is
that " ... the vast majority ofNarconon of Georgia's
training materials and course exercises are based
primarily on the principles of the Church of
Scientology"?
A. Yes.
Q. And the "training materials and course
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exercises"; are you referring to the course pack that
you looked at?
A. Really referring to all of the books that I
looked at.
So let's put it this way; I didn't see
anything, any-- any of the major concepts, even any of
the minor concepts, in any of the books I looked at that
did not come from Scientology.
There was one term I wasn't familiar with, I
think it was called "Checkout." But everything else has
a direct Scientology connection.
MR. MILLER: Mark this as the next
exhibit.
(Thereupon, marked for identification
purposes, Defendants' Exhibit No. 8.)
BY MR. MILLER:
Q. Let me show you what's been marked as
Defendants' Exhibit 8.
A. Uh-huh (affirmative). Okay. Good. Good.
Q. I'll represent to you that I believe this is
the front cover of the books that have been produced in
this case as the books used in what I think you would
describe as the course pack for Narconon of Georgia,
Inc.?
A. That's right.
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1 Q. And does this look like the books that you've
2 looked at in terms of reaching your opinion number 2?
3 A. Yes. That's the one I forgot. "Changing
4 Conditions in Life Course." That's the one I couldn't
5 remember.
6 Q. Okay.
7 A. Now, I don't-- the attomeys here didn't have
8 a copy of the book number 2, the detoxification program,
9 but I looked-- well, for years I've been, you know,
10 familiar with the "Clear Body, Clear Mind" material.
11 And I think they were also missing 4b, the
12 "Communication & Perception Course"; that would have
13 been the -- I believe that's primarily objectives. And
14 I have seen that, the earlier version, the 1991 version;
15 I just haven't seen the 2004 version.
16 Q. Okay. So you did not look at the course book
17 number 2, "New Life Detoxification Program," or 4b?
18 A. If-- in terms of the 2004 documents, no, I
19 haven't seen those.
20 MR. MILLER: Rebecca, I'll just tell
21 you, my understanding is we've produced
22 those, so ifthere's any question in your
23 mind whether we produced those to you or
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2 MR. MILLER: I believe so.
3 MS. FRANKLIN: Okay. We've got the set
4 here without those two. I thought we
5 produced them to you all. But--
6 MR. MILLER: You may have. You may
7 have.
8 MS. FRANKLIN: Okay. I mean, he's
9 looked at an older version, so ...
10 MR. MILLER: I just didn't want there to
11 be any misunderstanding that we hadn't
12 produced these to you.
13 MS. FRANKLlN: Okay.
14 THE WITNESS: Uh-huh (affinnative).
15 MR. MILLER: But what he looked at--
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17 Q. Did the books you looked at look like they
18 were used books, that somebody had initialed and written
19 in?
20 A. Oh, yes. Yes. The ones last night for sure.
21 Q. And these looked like books that Patrick
22 Desmond had read through?
23 A. I don't know that he had read through them.
24 I'm not -- I don't know whose books they were. I don't
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MS. FRANKLIN: Just for clarification,
they were Nick Parsons' books, who has been
deposed in this case.
MR. MILLER: Okay.
MS. FRANKLIN: 1 think they were used
during his deposition.
BY MR. MILLER:
Q. Dr. Kent, we were provided with a chart of
some lawsuits involving Narconon.
A. That's right, yes.
Q. And my understanding is that was a chmt that
was prepared by the plaintiffs' counsel?
A. It's my understanding.
Q. That's not a document you prepared or --
A. Oh, no. No, no, no.
Q. Do you have any personal knowledge of any of
those lawsuits?
A. I haven't been involved in any of them.
Q. So that's one question. You haven't been
involved in any of them. But do you have any personal
knowledge? You know, know any of the people involved,
do any investigation in any of them, anything like that?
A. I've -- the university has documents on some
of the cases. I've not worked with any of the documents
extensively; I've certainly looked through them over the
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Q. Well, my question is, are you going to rely
upon any of these lawsuits in reaching any of your
opinions?
A. Oh, no, sir; not at all.
Q. And are you going to come to court and testify
about any knowledge that you have about any of these
lawsuits?
A. No, sir; it's not my intention at all.
Q. And so it's just a document that was provided
to you, but it's not a document you're going to use,
rely upon or testify about?
A. That's correct.
Q. Or the subject matter of the document?
A. That's coiTect.
Q. You're not going to come to court and testify,
"Well, Narconon has been sued" in some other place for
doing something?
A. That's not my intention.
Q. Okay.
A. And you see that -- that list had lawsuits,
but I've no idea about the fmal history of what
happened, whether they got settled out of court, whether
there was a ... You know, it's one thing to sue, it's
another thing to have a court settlement. And I just
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1 can't tell fi-om that list how the cases got resolved. 1 A. As far as I can recall, and I was looking for
2 Q. And some of them are things like Wikipedia 2 any mentions of, for example, the term Thetan,
3 entries or newspaper articles, that type of thing? 3 T-H-E-T-A-N. I don't recall seeing any mention of
4 A. Yeah. You've got to be careful about 4 something like that in the -- in the course packs.
5 Wikipedia. 5 Q. So as far as you can tell from the review
6 Q. And the document we're talking about has been 6 you've done to date, it looks like the materials in this
7 marked to your deposition as Exhibit 6; is that correct? 7 course pack, while they embrace principles that would
8 A. This looks -- this looks right. I think the 8 come from L. Ron Hubbard and principles that are used in
9 one I have has some color-- color things on it, but 9 the Church of Scientology, these are not religious
10 this looks right. 10 documents, as far as you can tell?
11 Q. Okay. I think maybe some of the shading 11 A. I didn't see any reference to a supernatural
12 didn't come out-- 12 element--
13 A. Sure. 13 Q. Right.
14 Q. --on the printer. Okay. So that's just not 14 A. --in any of them, as far as I can recall.
15 anything we need to talk about;-- 15 Q. Okay. So would it be fair to characterize
16 A. No. 16 this as a secular program based on L. Ron Hubbard's
17 Q. --is that correct? 17 principles?
18 A. That's correct. We do not have to talk about 18 A. I'd say a secular program based upon L. Ron
19 that. 19 Hubbard's principles that the IRS has deemed to be
20 (Discussion off the record.) 20 charitable based upon religious claims.
21 BY MR. MILLER: 21 Q. Well, let's take the IRS out of it. Let's
22 Q. And based upon the books that you've looked at 22 just talk about Dr. Kent's opinions here.
23 that are similar to what's in Exhibit 8, there are 23 A. Okay.
24 concepts in there that would be similar to concepts that 24 Q. From what you're telling me, it sounds like
2 5 you would understand the Church of Scientology might 2 5 there's nothing in these course pack materials that you
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1 use? 1 would characterize as religious under the definition
2 A. Yes, sir. And I'd probably be a bit stronger. 2 you've given us?
3 That in many cases the botTowings are direct. 3 A. There's nothing involving the supernatural.
4 Q. And the Church of Scientology, as I understand 4 Q. And so would it be fair, under your opinion,
5 it, in your opinion, is a mixture of religious 5 to say that this is a set of secular materials that are
6 organizations and secular organizations? 6 based on L. Ron Hubbard's principles?
7 A. What I've said in academic circles, willch 7 A. Again, I -- I always come back to the IRS
8 might be what you're referring to, is that Scientology 8 decision. That it-- it provides a context, I think, in
9 is a multifaceted transnational organization, only part 9 the American legal system. And if organizations -- for
10 or parts of willch are religious. That in addition there 10 example, The Way to Happiness International has
11 are a number of secular-related activities. 11 charitable status under tills blanket IRS decision. And
12 It's difficult, however, in the legal setting 12 there's a course pack, the number 7 course pack, that
13 in America to make that claim, because of the IRS 13 borrows directly from The Way to Happiness. Then it
14 decision. So the IRS decision, as far as I'm concerned, 14 becomes complicated for me to say it's just secular.
15 trumps here any academic opinion about -- about how I 15 Because of that IRS decision.
16 see Scientology's structure. 16 Q. Well, first of all, you don't know what the
17 Q. Well, how would you define something that's 17 final IRS decision says, correct?
18 religious? How would you defme religion? 18 A. No.
19 A. Well, there's different definitions, but the 19 Q. So we don't know, sitting here today, you
20 standard one, really, has to do with belief in 20 don't know what the IRS decision ultimately said?
21 supernatural forces or beings. That's a very basic one. 21 A. Well, the only reason I-- I'd hesitate that
22 There's a lot of debate about it. 22 in terms of actually what's happened, what's unfolded in
23 Q. Is there anytillng in the Narconon course 23 society is that, as far as I know, all of these
24 materials that talks about a belief in a supernatural 24 organizations that got identified in the version we have
25 being or force? 25 all got charitable status. So as near as I can tell, we
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1 have the document, the last document before, then we
2 have the settled document -- the settled behavior about
3 the IRS decision, so I think it's clear to infer that
4 the docwnent we have is pretty close, if not exact, to
5 the final decision.
6 Q. Well, let me explore that with you for just a
7 minute. You can have nonprofit charitable status and
8 not be a religious organization?
9 A. That's true.
10 Q. I mean, the Red Cross is a nonprofit
11 organization, but it's not religious?
12 A. That's ttue.
13 Q. Boy Scouts are a nonprofit organization that's
14 not religious?
15 A. Uh-huh (affnmative).
16 Q. Correct?
17 A. That's -- I'll take your word for it.
18 Q. Okay. So you can have a charitable nonprofit
19 type organization --
20 A. Yeah. That's my understanding.
21 Q. -- that is not religious?
22 A. That's my understanding.
23 Q. So the nonprofit status ofNarconon, or the
24 IRS's choice to treat Narconon as a nonprofit for tax
25 purposes, does not necessarily mean that they're
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4 religion. Involving the overall Scientology tax
5 exemption. And words about religion or religious do
6 appear in various places in the settlement.
7 Q. I think--
8 A. So-- so it would take, as you would say, I
9 guess a tax expert to sort this out. But I'm just being
10 vety cautious because, you know, there's this blanket
11 agreement, and Narconon's included in it, and, you know,
12 the major push for the Church of Scientology was its
13 religious claims.
14 Q. Well, the Church of Scientology, as far as you
15 know, does have a religious element to it, correct?
16 A. That's true.
17 Q. And there was some dispute about that, that
18 presumably got resolved by this agreement, the final
19 agreement which none of us have seen?
20 A. That's correct. And to say "got resolved,"
21 but it got resolved for tax purposes.
22 Q. Okay. So going back, you know, in fairness,
23 since you don't see anything in the Narconon course pack
24 that you would characterize as religious, and since we
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position one way or another about this specific
organization, Narconon, would it be fair to say you have
no basis to say that this Narconon course pack or the
Narconon program is a religious program?
A. It's based-- the Narconon course packs are
based upon principles and concepts that are central to
Scientology. Scientology beliefs and practices. And
those beliefs and practices are part of which have
received nonprofit status -- or, charitable status from
the IRS, based in part upon religious claims.
Q. Well, Dr. Kent, my question, though, is, do
you have any basis for saying that the Narconon of
Georgia materials that you've reviewed or that the
Narconon of Georgia program was a religious program?
A. Only to the extent that all the concepts in it
are based upon Scientology. Which, as I said, has the
non-- has the charitable status from the IRS.
Q. But other than the IRS possibly thinking that
Narconon of Georgia is religious, that would be the only
basis for your opinion that there's anything religious
in the Narconon of Georgia program?
A. To go back to your earlier question, I didn't
see any mention of anything supernatural in anyplace in
the Narconon materials that I reviewed.
Q. Right. So if all we had, if all you had, were
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anything about the IRS, you would be comfortable saying
that this is a secular program based upon L. Ron
Hubbard's principles?
A. With respect, sir, it's speculative. 'Cause
I -- I can't answer it, 'cause I'm not, and at this
point can never be, in that head space. You know,
because I know other things about...
Q. The other things being that there was some
agreement that was reached between the Church of
Scientology and the Internal Revenue Service?
A. Yes.
Q. Okay. Other than what you speculate might be
in that agreement between the IRS and the Church of
Scientology, is there any other basis for you to offer
the opinion that the Narconon of Georgia program is
religious in any way?
A. I have not seen any mentions of the
supernatural in this program.
Q. And I appreciate what you just said, but I'm
going to have her read back my last question and ask
you--
A. Okay.
Q. --if you can answer it.
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1 go ahead.
2 MR. MILLER: He may have, but I want to
3 be sure.
4 (Thereupon, the record was read by the
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6 THE WITNESS: First, I'd say this one's
7 not speculation. We have a very clear sense
8 about the IRS's decision, even if we don't
9 have the final documents. And it's that
10 connection between the concepts and
11 terminology in the Narconon course pack
12 related back to Scientology that's -- makes
13 me hesitate to just simply write this off as
14 a secular program. I've always -- so that's
15 about as good as I can answer it.
16 BY MR. MILLER:
17 Q. Well, what I'm trying to find out is whether
18 you're going to come to court and tell people on the
19 jury that you think N arconon of Georgia is a religious
20 program.
21 A. What I would intend to say is that-- that
22 Scientology has --in the United States has charitable
23 status, based in part upon its religious claims, and all
24 of the concepts in Narconon come from Scientology.
25 Q. Okay. My question's different, though. Are
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4 A. I'd have to give the same answer, sir; that
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6 know, if Scientology has charitable status based upon
7 religious claims, and then people wind up using central,
8 core concepts, many of them, in a program, then I'm not
9 going to simply say that that program's secular.
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Q. Let me ask this question. IfNarconon of
Georgia's tax-exempt status from the IRS is based upon
its charitable status and not religious status, would
you have any reason to disagree with that?
A. That's why I'd want to look at the IRS
decision, see exactly what it says.
Q. But on an annual basis Narconon of Georgia
probably files taxes and claims a particular status
for--
A. Uh-huh (affirmative).
Q. --not having to pay taxes?
A. Yes; but it's still -- still the problem is
the content of the courses that it-- the content of the
material that it uses --
Q. But, Dr. Kent--
A. --in its courses.
Q. But, Dr. Kent, you're--
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BY MR. MILLER:
Q. Have you finished?
A. I think so.
Q. Okay. Dr. Kent, you're saying the hesitancy
you have about agreeing that N arconon of Georgia is a
purely secular program is because of your belief about
what's in this IRS agreement that was reached in the
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Q. Well, if we have documents from the 2000s and,
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other than religious grounds, and the IRS has accepted
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other claims. That may or may not be hue. But the
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belief in the supematural?
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5 it's an interesting constitutional question.
6 Q. But I think bottom line is you're not an
7 expert on taxes, tax-exempt status, nonprofit status, or
8 what the IRS does or does not do in tenns of treating
9 people as tax-exempt?
10 A. All that's true.
11 Q. And you don't have personal knowledge, or any
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13 draft of what you believe was an agreement that was
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16 A. I'd say it's not-- I don't think it's an
17 earlier draft; 1 think it's the last draft before the
18 decision.
19 Q. And what's the basis of that belief?
20 A. The Wall Street Journal got ahold of a copy
21 and released it to the public.
22 Q. But there was a subsequent agreement, and you
23 have not seen that?
24 A. I haven't seen the final agreement, no.
25 Q. And you don't know what changes were made
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4 THE WITNESS: I don't know, other than
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7 Scientology have charitable status. So ...
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9 Q. Well, but the basis for that charitable-- I
10 mean, you don't know what the ultimate decision was
11 about why some of these organizations were given
12 charitable status, do you?
13 A. No, I don't.
14 Q. And you haven't talked to an IRS lawyer or a
15 lawyer for the Church of Scientology who negotiated
16 these agreements, or anybody who had personal knowledge
17 of what the final agreement looked like?
18 A. I did talk to someone.
19 Q. And who was that?
20 A. I -- a IRS agent.
21 Q. What's that person's name?
22 A. I have no idea. It's been quite a number of
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24 Q. When did you talk to him?
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Q. Okay.
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Q. Was this before or after a final agreement had
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Q. And what did the IRS agent tell you?
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Q. Because the final agreement was confidential?
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Q. So he did not reveal any detai Is about the
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Q. So what did he tell you?
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example, that, I'll say it, one or more IRS agents had
been harassed, been followed, by either Scientologists
or Scientology-hircd Pis, and I said, "Well, bow did you
know they were Scientologist?"
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and we relayed it to the FBI." And he said, "This kind
of thing happens to us all the time."
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Q. Maybe I should be more focused on my question.
Did he tell you anything having to do with the
tax-exempt status ofNarconon of Georgia--
A. No.
Q. -- or Narconon Intemational?
A. Not at all. No.
Q. And no details about the confidential
agreement that was ultimately reached?
A. He did not breach any issues of
confidentiality, as near as I can recall.
Q. Where was the IRS agent from?
A. Washington.
Q. Was he in a Washington office?
A. Yes.
Q. And do you know if he had anything to do with
the negotiations of the agreement?
A. I thought so, but I couldn't tell you exactly
what role, if any, he played. I mean, he certainly was
knowledgeable about it, so ...
Q. Well, knowledgeable in the sense that he may
have known information but he didn't share it with you
about what the final agreement looked like?
A. Oh, he did not share that with me.
Q. Okay. Looking at Exhibit 8, based upon either
your review of Nick Parsons' books or your review of an
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1 earlier version, can you very briefly tell me what in
2 each of these books are principles that you would relate
3 back to L. Ron Hubbard?
4 A. Okay. And I'll stick really to the-- as much
5 as I can, to the 2004 books here.
6 Book 1 involves, you see, a "TR Course";
7 they're short for training routines. And they're very
8 basic routines that people go into often in their first
9 moments in Scientology. There are TRs 1 through 4; I
1 0 think, as I said earlier, I don't believe I've ever seen
11 a TR5; and there's 6 to 8. Now, in this book there's
12 also a 9. But I think the ninth training routine is
13 just a repeat of 6b. So the training routines, they go
14 back decades in Scientology.
15 Q. These training routines, as I understand it in
16 this first book, have to do with helping people
17 communicate with each other?
18 A. That's what Scientology says.
19 Q. Okay. Anything else about book number I that
20 you would relate back to Scientology, other than the
21 fact that it has what are called training routines in
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23 MS. FRANKLIN: Before you answer, I'm
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4 THE WITNESS: Okay. Each one of those
5 training routines bas an exact parallel in
6 Scientology materials. An exact parallel.
7 And the wording of the routines is the same.
8 So it's impossible to make -- come to any
9 other conclusion than the training routines
10 in the Narconon program come from
1l Scientology.
12 BY MR. MILLER:
13 Q. Well, and Scientology comes from the mind of
14 L. Ron Hubbard?
15 A. That's hue.
16 Q. And so the Narconon book number 1 is based on
17 the works of L. Ron Hubbard is what you concluded?
18 A. That's hlle. Yes.
19 Q. And the same for the other books where the
20 front covers are identified by Exhibit 8?
21 A. Yes; all of them have direct bases in existing
22 Scientology courses that drew directly -- that Narconon
23 drew directly from.
24 Q. You know the hist01y ofNarconon, where it
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A. Came, at least the Scientology story goes, in
1966 in tlte Arizona state prison. A gentleman named
William Benitez found a Scientology book in the library
and read it, was impressed by it, started doing some
processes with other prisoners. They felt it benefited
them. He eventually got some permission to do some
other prisoners. And I think from that contact-- it
was '66. By about '72 -- not -- but the early --
early-- what's now called Narconon didn't -- it only
involved -- it didn't involve the purification program.
It only involved different sorts of training routines
and so on. So the Narconon program now is different in
content.
Then by the early '70s, 1 think in '72, there
was a Narconon program that opened up in California, and
then also, fairly soon afterwards, a Narconon program
statted doing the Purification Rundown.
Now, the-- but to go back earlier, for
history, you really have to go back to the 1950s. To
look at Hubbard's writings about radiation. I mean, as
we all know, tlte '50s was a time of great concern about
atomic radiation. In this country there were
aboveground testings that were going on, and a number of
people were in communities where the wind changed and
they got doses of radiation from the tests. So back in
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techniques that could 1id the body of radiation
residues. And those claims eventually migrated into the
Purification Rundown. So the Pur -- claims that it is
able to expel from the body drug and radiation residues.
Although the one drug it omits is, of course, nicotine,
and I always assumed it omitted nicotine because L. Ron
Hubbard smoked.
The Crirninon program started later, and, in my
estimation, I don't believe the Criminon program
routinely now runs the Purif. It does a number of
exercises for criminals, but 1 don't think it runs the
Purification Rundown. I think that's limited primarily
now to Narconon. So it's --now Narconon has most --
well, a great number of the services are outside of
prisons. I can't say whether it still has any active
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Q. Would it be fair to say that the Narconon
program, since it started in 1966 with the man who was
in prison who organized some prisoners and they got off
drugs and alcohol using L. Ron Hubbard's principles,
that it's evolved over the years?
A. Well, the figures I've seen in those early
days claim that the success rate of getting people off
was somewhere between 60 and 70 percent plus. The
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1 trouble is their claims and the documentation,
2 throughout the whole Narconon programs, to back up those
3 percentages is in dispute. Now, I'm not going to cover
4 those issues in my -- in my expett statement. I think
5 that' s up to a drug expert. So -- so I think
6 Scientology would agree with your repr esentation;
7 historians might raise some questions about it.
8 Q. Well, I'm not sure if that's the question I
9 asked; let me approach it this way. First, clearly,
10 you're not going to offer an opinion about what the
ll success rate ofNarconon is --
12 A. No.
13 Q. --or is not?
14 A. I'm not going to offer an opinion about the
15 success rate ofNarconon.
16 Q. Or its success rate compared to any other
17 program?
18 A. Nor its success rat e to any other program; I'm
19 not going to offer any opinion on it.
20 Q. Right. My question I was going to ask was, as
21 you've already mentioned that pmification got added in
22 at a later time, that the program materials, and the
23 program itself, have changed somewhat in tem1s of the
24 materials being used and things like that?
25 A. Yes, sir, that's true.
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4 A. Well, my star-- the records go back farther
5 than that in some of the matelials I'd submitted.
6 Q. That's not a very good question. You l ooked
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8 books that would have been used around the 2008 time
9 frame?
10 A. That's correct, yes.
l1 Q. And where you had some gaps, you may have gone
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13 something like that?
14 A. Yeah. The-- the two copyrights, ifl'm not
15 mistaken, in the Narconon books is 1991 and 2004.
1 6 Q. Okay. But for the most part, in terms of
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I think there's some interesting historical
materials that may provide some light about Narconon,
but that's what l'm basing, primarily, my discussion on.
Q. Going back to the discussion we had a few
minutes ago about whether or not there was any religious
element t o the Narconon of Georgia --
A. Uh-huh (affirmative).
Q. -- materials; do you have any opinion about
whether Narconon of Georgia was trying to recruit people
to the Church of Scientology?
A. I don't intend to give a specific answer on
that question. I can speak generally about Narconon and
possible recruitment. But in tenns of actually what
went on on the day-to-day basis in Narconon Georgia, I'd
rather defer to others.
Q. Okay. So you're not going to offer the
opinion that Narconon of Georgia was trying to recruit
people to the Church of Scientology?
A. I don't plan to offer the opinion. I would
say that if -- generally in Narconon, if a person
graduates from the program having done the purification,
a number of people do enter Scientology. But that' s as
far as I go. I'm not going t o say that -- that there
was an active recruitment program in Georgia.
Q. Do you know of anybody in Georgia who went
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through the Narconon of Georgia program who claims that
they were recruited in any way for the Church of
Scientology?
A. No, sir, I don't.
Q. Do you know anybody who went through any other
Narconon program that you have personal knowledge of who
says that they were recruited for the Church of
Scientology?
A. I know there's a Canadian, for example, and I
can speak about him because he's been very public. 1
think his name is David Love. He claims to have been --
to have gone through Narconon and through the program.
Q. Other than David Love, is there any other
person that you've heard who went through the Narconon
program who claimed there was any effort made to recruit
them to Scientology?
A. I'd have to think about it, because I've
talked to people who have been to the Narconon program,
I've talked about -- talked to people who have been
Seientologists who went through the Purification
Rundown, and it's easier for me to jumble what their
stories are. So I'm not going to base any of my claims
on any of these stoties. If that allays your concerns.
Q. Are you going to go in and testify in this
case that Narconon of Georgia or Narconon International
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1 are organizations that recruit for the Church of
2 Scientology?
1 that case here, but I don't want to retreat from the
2 general position.
3 A. The -- I offered two documents in my 3 MR. MILLER: Let me mark a couple
4 submissions. And these are old documents. One shows 4 exhibits.
5 people going into the Purification Rundown, and at the 5
6 end they leave the Purification Rundown and enter into 6
7 an archway that says "Scientology." 7
8 Q. Right. B
9 A. And the other is a pamphlet, I'm not even sure 9
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12 Q. Okay. I think I'm familiar with those 12
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14 A. Yeah. And so they're -- that's why I'm-- I 14
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18 Q. Well, I think it's different to say that 18
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21 Q. --you know, Narconon, to decide to join the 21
22 Church of Scientology, and trying to contend that this 2 2
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3 go to the Methodist church, -- 3
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5 Q. -- I suppose, right? 5
6 A. Well, again, these are all-- the Narconon 6
7 courses are all based upon the low-level Scientology 7
8 courses. And 1 seem to recall--and 1 can't tell you 8
9 where 1 read this, and I could be wrong about this, but 9
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17 A. OCA, it's called; Oxford Capacity Analysis. 17
18 Now, again, I'm-- I'm not going --because I'm not 18
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purposes, Defendants' Exhibit Nos. 9
through 11.)
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Q. I think I've located the two documents that
you've talked about.
MR. MILLER: Do you have a stapler in
here, Rebecca?
MS. FRANKLIN: I can grab one.
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Q. Dr. Kent, Exhibit 11 I believe is the
document--
A. Yes.
Q. --that has the ...
A. Yes, this is the one that has the -- published
by Bridge Publications, which I believe also is the
publisher for the Narconon course pack. It has a
picture of people going into the -- I'll call it a
gate -- a gateway called "Purification Rundown," and
then later on in the book it -- a person claims to be --
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regained his life and is then marching in to
Scientology.
Q. And Exhibit 10 is the other document that you
referred to?
A. That's right. This is an earlier, '74,
"Narconon helps ... people up Ron's bridge to freedom,"
and it's-- "Nareonon is the bridge to the bridge."
And, see, it's often the case that Narconon's staffed by
a number of Scientologists. Now, it's an open question
the extent to which they may or may not talk about their
practice of Scientology, but-- so that' s why I'm not
going to comment on what may have happened in the
Georgia case, but I don't want to back away from the
general concept that people often move from one to the
other, and that Scientology has aspirations that people
would move in that direction.
Q. Okay. Well, let me break that down and ask
you some questions. First of all, in your stack of
materials, your file materials that we've marked as
Exhibit 2, do you have any reason to beli eve that any of
those documents were used by anybody at Narconon of
Georgia?
A. No. No.
Q. Or that these were seen by any students who
went through the Narconon of Georgia program in the
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2 A. I don't recall -- I'm trying to remember the
3 "Clear Body, Clear Mind" more recent documents, but I
4 don't trunk anything like what we're talking about is in
5 the more recent documents.
6 Q. Right. And the Exhibit No. 10 is a document
7 from 1974?
B A. Uh-huh (affirmative).
9 Q. Is that correct?
10 A. Yes, sir.
11 Q. And do you know when Exhibit No. 11 was
12 published?
13 A. I thought I had-- it looks --it's a bit bard
14 to read here. It looks like, and I'll defer to your
15 judg -- it looks like that says 1984? Does that seem
16 true to you?
17 Q. It certainly looks possible, so based on what
18 we can see here, it looks like this may be from around
19 1984?
20 A. Wouldn't surprise me.
21 Q. Do you have any documents that are less than
22 20 years old that would suggest to you in any way that
23 there is any expectation that people who go through the
24 Narconon drug and alcohol program are going to later
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6 Q. Do you have any basis to offer an expert
7 opinion that within the last ten years that there is any
8 effmt to get people who go into the Narconon programs
9 to become members ofthe Church of Scientology?
10 A. Well, there isn't evidence that I'm going to
11 introduce in this case. If that --
12 Q. So there is no evidence that --
13 A. That I'm going to introduce in this case,
14 along those lines.
15 Q. And if you have no evidence that you're going
16 to introduce in this case, can I fairly assume that
17 you're not going to offer the opinion in this case that
18 within the modem, last ten years, let's say, that the
19 Narconon programs are intended to recruit people for the
20 Church of Scientology?
21 A. I had intended to be neutral on the point.
22 Q. I'm comfortable with you just not offering
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to offer that opinion.
A. Yeah. Again, I had not planned to get into
the daily operations of what's gone on in the Narconon
Georgia program, --
Q. Right.
A. -- 'cause I think that takes a different kind
of expertise. That requires talking to people, looking
at their affidavits, you know, and that just isn't what
I was required to do here,--
Q. Right.
A. --so ...
Q. And I appreciate that fact. But I'm asking a
little broader question. Which is, 1 want to make sure
that you're not going to come to court in this case and
say that in the modem era, in the 2008 time frame, that
Narconon programs were being used to somehow recruit for
the Church of Scientology?
A. I hadn't planned to make any statements along
those lines.
Q. Okay. And the reason I'm asking is because if
you were going to offer that opinion at trial, I would
need to spend a lot of time asking you what the basis of
that--
A. Sure.
Q. -- opinion would be.
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Q. But as long as we have an agreement you're not
going to offer that opinion at trial, then I can move
on.
A. That's flne, you can move on.
Q. Okay. And Exhibits 10 and 11 I think we can
agree are probably going to be irrelevant in terms of
anything that you're going to point to or rely upon in
reaching your opinions in this case?
A. I--
MS. FRANKLIN: Object to the form.
THE WITNESS: I -- at thi s point I
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Q. Some of these documents that you've produced
are incomplete, you know, they're missing pages, --
A. Sure.
Q. -- they're just excerpts. Have you given us
evetything you have from any of these particular
documents, or did you pick and choose from a larger
document that's sitting in Canada?
A. Oh, I --just to save on photo -- on
photocopying, l didn't photocopy, for example, the whole
purification book.
Q. Okay.
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now, maybe I did. But -- and some of these are just
short excerpts, and they would be part of larger
5 documents. But in terms of what 1 was using, if there
6 were a magazine, for example, I wouldn't photocopy all
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1 So I've read it somewhere; whether it applies
2 to Narconon Georgia I'm not entirely sure. I may have
3 seen it when I was looking through the Mary Rieser
4 material, but --
5 Q. Okay. But if there's evidence in the case
6 that Patrick Desmond and other students were not
7 . receiving an Oxford Capacity Analysis, you're not going
to dispute that? B
9 A. No, I wouldn't dispute that at all.
10 Q. I think we talked about on Exhibit 8 the first
11 book What is it about the second book that is an
12 Oxford Capacity Analysis, but do you know one way or the 12 L. Ron Hubbard principle?
Q. And I think you mentioned something called the 11
13 other whether the Oxford Capacity Analysis was being 13 A. "Clear Body, Clear Mind." The Purification
14 used at Narconon of Georgia? 14 Rundown is a program -- the detoxification program in
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questionnaire that Scientologists claim identifies areas 18 various dimensions. It involves claims about the value,
in a person's life that need improvement. I've seen it 19 first, of running; second, fairly long periods--up to
2 o used in variations as a recruitment tool so people can 2 o five hours, if possible--of saunas; it involves taking a
come in off the street. There'll be an advertisement, 21 particular-- the-- Hubbard's claim was that -- that
"Get your personality-- free personality test." And 22 drugs absorbed vitamins from the body. Hence he had a
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24 There are-- I've seen it used as an initial 24 He also had a particular increasing vitamin dosage that
25 IQ test, I've seen it used in a variation as a work-- 25 people are supposed to take, including niacin. That
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2 As far as I know, and I know this fairly well,
3 it doesn't have any standing in the psychological
4 community. It's a straight Scientology program. And
5 the Scientology documents that I have talk about how
6 it's --how it's marked. And the way that it's marked
7 is always for the --for Scicntologists to mark it and
8 identify some apparent weak spots on the chart and say,
9 "We can handle this. We can help you improve this."
10 Q. Okay. My understanding is you have not
11 reviewed Patrick Desmond's file from Narconon of
12 Georgia?
13 A. I don't think so.
14 Q. And you don't know whether his file contains
15 an Oxford Capacity Analysis or not?
16 A. I'm not sme. You know, I say I had those two
17 depositions from ... Oh, the head ofNarconon Georgia,
18 is it Mary Rider? Rieser, Mary Rieser. And there are
19 some documents attached to the back. But, again, I
20 looked at them a long time ago and very quickly. So
21 that's why I'm being hesitant, because I'm not-- I'm
22 not speaking definitively, and I've said I'm not using
23 those documents in my--
24 Q. Okay.
25 A. --in my-- analysis.
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2 stored in the fatty tissues of the body and the niacin
3 helped open up pores that would expel these drug and
4 radiation residues from the body in sauna.
5 Q. And the medical effect or the physiological
6 effect of detoxification, you're not going to offer
7 opinions about that?
8 A. I'm not going to talk about it, no.
9 Q. What about book number 3, "Learning
10 Improvement Course"?
11 A. I think earlier I talked about what's in it,
12 and the content is straight Scientology assumptions
13 about learning how to learn and barriers to learning.
14 Q. Helping people to be better students, not
15 stumbling over-- you know, not ignoring a word they
16 don't understand but look it up in the dictionary, that
17 type of thing?
18 A. Some other factors. Yes.
19 Q. How about book 4a, "Communication & Perception
20 Comse"?
21 A. If I remember correctly, 4a is a-- more or
22 less a repetition of the TRs. And it's in preparation
23 for 4b, which is an analysis of the objectives. Now, it
24 seems to me Hubbard made a statement, maybe in the late
25 '60s, that the objectives were very useful to someone
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1 who had been on drugs. Because it-- maybe-- his 1 Q. How about number 7?
2 assumption was that people who had been on drugs were 2 A. "Changing Condition ... " You know, the
3 not oriented to the present time. They were often 3 conditions are principles that-- or, concepts that
4 oriented toward past events, often negative events. And 4 Scientology uses in order to identify either where one
5 the objectives were ways he thought would bring them up 5 is in relation to patiicular work assignments or where
6 into present time. Similar in many ways to some of the 6 the particular organizational operation is in relation
7 TRs and what's often called "locationals" in 7 to work assignments. So it has to do with, on the top
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Q. Book 5? 9 blasting ahead with their -- with their success.
10 A. "Ups and Downs in Life Course" is a straight 10 There's a level about people's ability to write down
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personality, antisocial personality and a potential 12 it on to a person who may fulfill the job later.
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that's a simple version of what an antisocial
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1 Q. It looks like you're married? 1
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3 Q. Do you have children? 3
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5 Q. I was going to ask because it's like telling 5
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7 ar e going to lead them in a bad direction? 7
8 A. Well, I'm not going to get into the ways that 8
9 these contents are used. 9
10 Q. Okay. How about book number 6? 10
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normal -- normal, which is a person or an operation
that's moving ahead, having -- having constant but low
increases. Then it keeps going down into -- it gets
down --lower and lower into, you know, negative
conditions. And I -- I forget the order. I think, you
know, the bottom one talks about a chaos a person's life
may be in. There's a person who is -- who's labeled as
being treasonous, or condition is treasonous. And
there's one with enemy, and one with doubt, and so on.
There's quite a, you know, a number of them. And one is
supposed to be able to locate one's own behav -- in an
organization, really in a relationship, one's supposed
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Q. And what is book number 8, "The Way to
Happiness"?
A. "Way to Happiness." If you look at the back
of the Nar conon course pack, you'll see The Way to
Happiness booklet is a smaller booklet. lt was a
paperback. There's actually a hardback version of The
Way to Happiness that's produced, and it -- I'm not sure
when it came out. It might have been as late as the
early 1980s. But my understanding is that Mr. Hubbard
wanted to produce a document that he said was secular in
nature. So there's no mention about anything religious
in here, about fates or whatnot.
Q. And no mention of anything religious in any of
these books that we've talked about?
A. There are some mentions of religion in terms
of -- in one of these upper-level courses, it -- I'm not
even sure which one it would be. It's what's called the
dynamics. The dynamics arc eight levels of existence
for Scientologists. And, again, fearing that I may omit
some, it starts with self, and then the second level's
currently called creativity; before it used to be family
and sex. Third was -- they use the term "mankind"; I'd
say "humankind." Fourth would be I think-- I think
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1 it's all species. Fifth I think is the -- the universe. 1 Concepts," and the desire to survive through these. The
2 Six is spirit, and seven is infmity. I thought there 2 seventh dynamic is life source; this is separate from
3 were eight, so I may be forgetting one. But the upper 3 the physical universe and that's the source of life
4 two involve spirit and infinity. And they're mentioned, 4 itself. Best there are some efforts for the survival of
5 if I'm not mistaken, in the-- in the Narconon course 5 life source.
6 that deals with them. 6 And then there's some cartoons, and then --
7 Q. Which book do you think it's in? 7 and when I say "cartoons" I don't mean to disparage
8 A. Oh, goodness. 8 these cartoons. Some of these are very talented
9 MS. FRANKLIN: Do you need the books in 9 illustrations. You know, for lack of a better term, I
10 front of you? 10 use the word "cattoon," but I'm really quite impressed
11 THE WITNESS: Well, it might take a few 11 with whoever the artists were.
12 minutes, but it'd be easy to -- it'd pin it 12 And then there's -- on Page 69 there's a clay
13 down exactly. 13 demo; "Demonstrate what the seventh dynamic is. Get a
14 MS. FRANKLIN: Are they in your bag? 14 pass on this from the supervisor." Then there's the
15 THE WITNESS: I brought them in that 15 eighth dynamic. The eighth dynamic is the urge toward
16 roller thing today. This morning. 16 existence as infinity. The eighth dynamic is commonly
17 MS. FRANKLIN: Want to take a break and 17 supposed to be a supreme being or creator. It is
18 get them? 18 correctly defined as infinity, it actually embraces the
19 MR. MILLER: Yes. 19 allness of all.
20 THE WITNESS: Okay. 20 Page 72, "Demonstrate what the eighth dynamic
21 (Recess at 1:08, resumed at 1:25.) 21 is. Get a pass on this from the supervisor."
22 BY MR. MILLER: 22 "An individual who seeks survival on one or
23 Q. Dr. Kent, while we were on the break you went 23 all of these dynamics fails when he abandons a dynamic
24 and retrieved the books that you've reviewed last night 24 as a survival route." So a person is supposed to work
25 and then I guess partially this morning, and in terms of 25 on all those levels. And the reason I had this marked
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1 that last series of questions I was asking you, you've
2 identified book number 6, entitled "Personal Values and
3 Integrity Course," and the seventh dynamic talks about
4 that people are urged to be spiritual, in effect, and
5 then the eighth dynamic talks about the possibility of
6 the supreme being or creator?
7 A. That's right.
s Q. And so these would be the two things you would
9 point to in this book number 6, along with... It looks
10 like on Page 595 there is a space where somebody can
11 talk about what their spiritual beliefs might be or what
12 their belief in the supreme being might be?
13 A. Would you mind -- I want to check-- if you
14 don't mind, Mr. Miller, 1 want to check through
15 something else.
16 Yeah, just to get -- the -- it's on 65, it's
17 called the seventh dynamic. The seventh dynamic is the
18 spiritual dynamic, the urge to survive as spiritual
19 beings, or the urge for life itself to survive.
20 Anything spiritual, with or without identity, would come
21 under the heading of the seventh dynamic. It includes
22 one's beingness, the ability to create, the ability to
23 cause survival or survive, the ability to destroy or
24 pretend to be destroyed.
25 A subheading in this dynamic is "Ideas and
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2 "Write--" --okay. This is what I was looking for.
3 "Write up your overts and withholds on your seventh
4 dynamic. Do this until you are satisfied that they are
5 complete and you feel good about it and have experienced
6 relief." Now, "overts and withholds" is another classic
7 Scientology term.
8 And then -- let me see. Page 607, "You may
9 use this space to write down any wins or gains you had
10 while writing up your overts and withholds on the
11 seventh dynamic."
12 "Write up your ovetts and withholds on your
13 eighth dynamic. Do this until you are satisfied they
14 are complete, and you feel good about it and have
15 experienced relief." So they were asking people to
16 identify any issues they may have not brought forward
17 about these dynamics. And the withholds and -- the
18 withholds eventually become an overt act. TI1e process
19 of withholding. To write these up. So, llmow we
20 talked earlier about whether I had seen anything
21 spiritual in these books; I had forgotten all about that
22 section, but--
23 Q. Okay. Well, that's fair. I had told you we'd
24 come back to the books, --
25 A. Sure.
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Q. -- and I appreciate you getting the books.
With the benefit of having the books in front of you,
Dr. Kent, other than the materials we've j ust talked
about in book 6, anything else in here that you would
identify as spiritual or religious?
A. lfl may?
Q. Sure.
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Q. Well, again, I'm not asking you to identify
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Q. -- that may discuss the seventh or eighth
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A. That's my understanding.
Q. Okay. What I want to do is just find out,
other than what we're talking about here in book 6, now,
is there anything else that you would identify as being
spiritual or religious in the Narconon course materials?
A. Let me look through this for a second.
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"When one thinks of survival, one is apt to make the
error of thinking in terms of barest necessity," in
quotation marks. "That is not survival. Survival is a
graduated scale with infmity or immortality at the top,
and death and pain at the bottom." So 1 don't recall
any other issues, but it...
I just am afraid if I close it up 1 might miss
something that could be important. So if! could
indulge you just for another minute or two.
Q. Sure . That's fme. Although, again, I'm
going to mark book 6 as an exhibit to the deposition, --
A. Sure.
Q. --and I think to the extent it touches on
that seventh or eighth dynamic, we will have already
discussed it, so ...
A. Okay. Ethics and morals ... I' ll let that--
let it go from there and ...
MR. MILLER: Let's mark book 6 that
Dr. Kent' s been looking at as the next
exhibit.
Want to just put it on the front cover?
MS. FRANKLIN: Yeah, shecan putiton
the front cover.
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purposes, Defendants' Exl1ibit No. 12.)
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Q. Okay, that's now marked as Exhibit 12 to the
deposition.
So, Dr. Kent, with the exception of what we've
talked about in book 6, you would still agree that
there's nothing else in these materials that you would
identify as being religious?
A. Not that 1 can recall at this time.
Q. And what's in book 6 about spir ituality or the
possibility of a supreme being, it's not advocating any
particular spiritual belief, is it?
A. I didn't get that impression.
Q. It could encompass Christianity or Judaism or
Buddhist philos -- I mean, religion?
A. I didn't see it specific to any one
particular.
Q. And just from your common knowledge of things,
not as an expert but just commonly, are you familiar
with the fact that Alcoholics Anonymous, for example,
talks about spiritual things and the belief in a higher
being or a higher power?
A. I've heard that about Alcoholics Anonymous.
12-step program.
Q. Right. So it's not uncommon for a drug or
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1 addiction program to encourage people to get in touch
2 with some sort of a spiritual dimension?
3 A. I do know there's controversy about the
4 12-step program precisely for that reason.
5 Q. But, again, you're not going to offer opinions
6 about Alcoholics Anonymous and their 12-step program any
7 more than you're going to offer opinions about Narconon
8 and its program?
9 A. That's true; I'm not going to talk about the
10 12-step program at all.
11 Q. Okay. So going back to your opinions that
12 you're going to offer in this case, I think on your
1 3 opinion number 2 1 can fairly summarize it in this way,
14 but I want you to let me know if this is not a fair--
15 A. Okay.
16 Q. -- summary of your opinion number 2.
17 L. Ron Hubbard had a series of principles that
1 8 were incorporated into what we now know to be the Church
19 of Scientology, and those similar principles, at least
2 o with regard to the matters that are touched upon in
21 these books, were also incorporated into Narconon's
22 materials?
23 A. I'd be a bit stronger. I'd say that L. Ron
2 4 Hubbard included in Scientology techniques, principles,
25 morals, etcetera, that transferred it directly into the
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1 Narconon program.
2 Q. The Narconon books are based on the works of
3 L. Ron Hubbard, correct?
4 A. That's -- that's very true, yes.
5 Q. Okay.
6 A. Says so right on the front cover.
7 Q. Right. In other words, the book themselves
8 all state on the front cover they're based on the works
9 ofL. Ron Hubbard?
10 A. That's right.
11 Q. And you would agree with that?
12 A. Yes.
13 Q. And your analysis of those books and your
14 knowledge of L. Ron Hubbard's writings is consistent
15 with that?
16 A. That's true, yes, sir.
17 Q. In other words, your expert opinion basically
18 on number 2 is that these Narconon ·materials are based
19 on the works of L. Ron Hubbru·d?
20 A. That's true.
21 Q. As far as number 2 is concerned, is there
22 anything beyond what we just talked about, that these
23 books are based on the works ofL. Ron Hubbard, that you
24 concluded?
25 A. If we had the time, I could go through each
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2 don't want to, you know, tie us up all day doing that.
3 But -- so, you know, concepts, terms, techniques come
4 straight from Scientology.
5 Q. Okay. So your opinion on number 2 is, it
6 sounds like, bottom line, what we just talked about,
7 which is that these books incorporate L. Ron Hubbard's
8 works and principles. Not just the specific examples
9 we've talked about, but other examples as well?
10 A. Well, L. Ron Hubbard's, but al so, more
11 specifically, Scientology's opinions-- or, doctrines,
12 opinions, techniques that Scientology uses.
13 Q. But Scientology is in effect based on L. Ron
14 Hubbard's works as well?
15 A. That's true. Scientology is based upon the
16 works. But a lot of these tenns predate Narconon. And
17 a lot of these terms go back to the very early -- early
18 days in Scientology, so ...
19 Q. But the early days of L. Ron Hubbard as well?
20 A. Uh-huh (affirmative).
21 Q. Right?
22 A. That's true, yes.
23 Q. Let me ask you what your opinion number 1 is.
24 It says you intend to "provide testimony at trial
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A. Well, it depends upon what somebody would ask
me about -- about them.
Q. Let me divide it up for a minute.
A. Sure.
Q. Whatever the beliefs are in Scientology, you
would respect people's right in a religious context to
enjoy whatever beliefs they want?
A. In the abstract, separating beliefs from any
kind of action, people can hold in their consciences
whatever they want.
Q. And in terms of practices, would I be correct
in assuming that as long as a practice is not harmful to
other people, you would be of the opinion that you can
practice whatever you want in connection with your
religion as long as you're not harming other people?
A. That's true. Now, it may be of academic
interest to study what the practices are, and even study
what the beliefs are. But in terms of any kind of
intervention to limit beliefs or practices, it has to be
based upon -- intervention has to be based upon harm.
Q. So you have been a critic of the Church of
Scientology over the years, as I understand it?
A. I've been a critic of what I think are some
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Q. Right. But it's the harmful behaviors you're
critical of, not the fact that peopl e might have this
particular belief system, or even a series of practices,
as long as it's not resulting in some harmful effect?
A. That's true. I do -- I do study, and I think
a lot of academics study, unusual belief systems. So in
that regard Scientology is interesting, but in terms of
a lot -- areas where I' ve had concerns, it's on issues
of harm.
Q. Are you aware of anything that you would
consider to be a harmful practice of the Church of
Scientology that was occwTing in the Narconon of
Georgia program?
A. There's nothing I'm going to speak about, but
I do have some -- I do have concerns about some
practices.
Q. Well, this is important, because, you know,
you' re going to come testify at cowt.
A. Uh-huh (affirmative).
Q. Are you going to come and testify at court
that there is some harmful practice of the Church of
Scientology that you will contend was occurring in the
Narconon of Georgia program at any time that's relevant
to this lawsuit?
A. I don't intend to talk about the issues of
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1 harm. It doesn't mean I don't believe that those issues
2 exist.
3 Q. Well--
4 A. Of the issues of harm, I would-- you know,
5 I'd want to look at issues involving the purification
6 program in its different dimensions, but I'm not going
7 there. I don't have medical or physiological training.
8 So I'll tell you that, but it's nothing I'm going to
9 bring up in court.
10 Q. Okay. So for purposes of this lawsuit, you're
11 not going to offer the opinion in court, as an expert,
12 that there was anything that you would consider to be a
13 hannful practice of the Church of Scientology that was
14 being practiced or followed in the Narconon of Georgia
15 program?
16 A. As far as I could foresee, Mr. Miller, I have
17 no intention of talking about issues of harm, period.
18 Q. Well, and when you say like as far as you can
19 foresee and that type of thing, --
20 A. Yeah.
21 Q. -- I mean, can we agree that you're just not
22 going to offer an opinion that there was any harmful
23 practice going on in the Narconon --
24 A. Yeah, I don't intend to, 1 just -- I have to
25 have the caveat, 'cause I don't know what kind of
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2 Q. Well, that's the problem, Dr. Kent.
3 A. Yeah.
4 Q. I can't leave this deposition and have you
5 say, "Oh, I'm going to--"-- you know, have you testify
6 to something in the courtroom --
7 A. Uh-huh (affirmative).
8 Q. -- because some lawyer has decided to ask you
9 that question. I mean, the purpose of this --
10 A. Well--
11 Q. -- deposition is for me to understand what
12 your opinions are going to be in court.
13 A. Sure.
14 Q. And 1 appreciate what you're saying, that
15 there might be something that you would say, you know,
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17 degrees, but I'm not an expert on that."
18 A. Yeah. See, I want to avoid any question of
19 hann because I think they involve issues of medical
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22 not be issues of social harm that would come through
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going there.
Q. Okay.
A. I'm not going to the issue of hatm. I want to
limit myself to identifying coru1ections, which I do
believe are very strong, between the Narconon content
and Scientology content. That's it.
Q. Okay. And so in terms of the beliefs and
practices of the Church of Scientology with respect to
this particular case, --
A. Uh-huh (affirmative).
Q. -- it sounds like the only significance there
is that you've identified things in these Narconon
materials that are common principles from L. Ron Hubbard
that you see between the Church of Scientology and the
Narconon written materials?
A. I think. that's true. I mean, one could talk
about Scientology -- part of Scientology involves -- its
tenn is "Making the able more able." And in that
general practice, it tries to help people identify
issues that have occurred in this life that may be
hindering them. That general practice certainly appears
in the Scientology programs. And, for example, it
claims that people who have been involved in drugs have
mental images of their drug involvement, and that the
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greatly reduces those mental images. They still exist,
and the Narconon program doesn' t talk about any further
way to remove them. You know, which one conceivably--
a Scientologist would argue one could do through
Scientology. But-- you know, so there is a sense
about-- one aspect of Scientology is -- is, you know,
what it believes to be identifying issues in people's
lives and getting them-- getting them handled. Now, I
don't know how relevant that general perspective is with
the Narconon program, because I think it finally comes
down to what's been botTowed. But there is a larger
context to Narconon that I'm aware of in the context of,
you know, beliefs and practices and so on.
Q. Okay. What I'm trying to nail down, and I
think you're helping me do this, but --
A. Uh-huh (affirmative).
Q. --is that the Narconon materials which
incorporate works and principles ofL. Ron Hubbard are
similar to works and principles ofL. Ron Hubbard that
have been incorporated into the Church of Scientology?
A. Again, I'd be stronger. Might say "are
exactly," but...
Q. Closely aligned. Would you say that?
A. In many cases, exact.
Q. Okay. But in tenns of what you might testify
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1 to at trial about the beliefs and practices of the
2 Church of Scientology, it would seem like it's going to
3 be limited to there are certain beliefs in the Church of
4 Scientology which are very similar or identical, in your
5 opinion, to beliefs that are in these Narconon books?
6 A. That's very true. You know, I-- 1 could
7 envision saying that Mr. Hubbard identified, probably by
8 the early '70s, or -- that people's ability to do
9 Scientology courses was severely damaged if they had
10 unresolved drug issues. Consequently, there's a big
11 push to get Scientologists to do the Purification
12 Rundown. People in the Narconon program have now done
13 it. So-- so I leave it at that. You know, it goes
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15 recruiting, and I can't say that's true. But I can say
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20 Q. Now, 1 know you have --let me back up.
21 The general goal of the Narconon materials, as
2 2 you've read them, is to help people get off of dmgs and
2 3 alcohol and somehow become better, more complete people?
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1 own techniques. So Scientology has a global vision
2 about its importance and its value. Consequently it
3 markets itself to different aspects of society, with the
4 hope of getting Scientology's ethics in, to use a phrase
5 from Hubbard. And getting ethics in, it would take a
6 while to fmd, but it's actually in one of these course
7 books; I was really -- I was a bit startled to see it.
8 So in addition to whatever benefits people may
9 feel-- Scientologists may feel, or Narconon people who
10 are not Scientologists may feel, about the value of the
11 program, getting people off drugs, there's also the
12 consequence that Narconon is trying to get Scientology
13 ethics into the drug rehabilitation realm in a way that
14 knocks out psychiatiy. There's a couple of mentions
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16 know, the sense is that-- and Narconon is quite proud
17 of the fact that it says it gets people off drugs
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19 that, you know, psychiatry makes billions of dollars off
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21 Narconon, in one way, fits into the larger
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or question Narconon participants, indeed, or
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Q. When you say that it's ttying to inte1ject
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A. Scientology ethics.
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you know, and say, "Well, what's the pw·pose of
bullbaiting?" You know, and, "What's the purpose of
yelling at an ashtray, telling it to stand up, sit down,
and so on." According to number 2 here, I just was
required to identify whether the vast majority of
N arconon of Georgia's training materials and course
exercises are based primarily on the principles of the
Church of Scientology. That's definite. So... So
there's a whole other dimension, but I haven't been
hired nor have I prepped to address those larger issues.
Q. What were you asked to do?
A. Well, what's here.
Q. You were specifically asked to say can you
talk about the beliefs and practices of members of the
Church of Scientology, and can you offer the opinion
that these materials are primarily based on L. Ron
Hubbard's works?
A. Yeah.
Q. Okay.
A. And this third issue about Narconon, but I--
as I said, I really -- 1 don't think I've got any really
definitive evidence one way or the other on those. --
Q. Okay.
A. -- Those points.
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of Church of Scientology would be that in general it's a
non-drug program to get people off drugs and alcohol, so
it's therefore contrary to what a psychiatrist might be
doing?
A. That's true.
Q. That's number one. Then number two is that in
stressing ethics, it uses some of the same principles
that L. Ron Hubbard uses to try to encourage people
towards more ethical behavior?
A. Hubbard outlined --well, there's a whole
series of statements in the upper levels of these
13 Narconon courses that involve morals, ethics, The Way To
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identity them as different moral and ethical statements,
codes and so on. Talks about moral codes in here.
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A. They are Hubbard's visions of moral and
ethical behavior. Not a complete statement by any
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Q. And so the way it fits into the larger
Scientology schemes would be that that -- it's sort of a
systematic structure for trying to encourage things like
the ways of happiness?
A. The reason 1 hesitate, and the reason I hope
we don't go too far this direction, is that the
Scientology organization is multiple levels.
Q. Okay.
A. And--
Q. But--
A. And some of the multiple levels-- some people
in some of those multiple levels have engaged in
behaviors that would seem to me to be contrary, directly
contrary, to the ethical and moral behaviors that are
laid out in the book. So --just as a basic example,
the whole fair game issue.
Q. Let me use that as an example.
A. Uh-huh (affirmative).
Q. Again, you're not going to come to court and
testify that there was something going on at Narconon of
Georgia that was similar to your criticism of Church of
Scientology's fair game?
A. That's not my -- no. I don't intend to do
that at all.
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11 A. I wouldn't even go that far. I would say that
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Q. --which is that basically yow- opinion
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is that the Narconon materials are consistent with the
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1 A. I think that's a fair representation. I mean,
2 I can see how someone would ask a question, "What is a
3 suppressive person," or "What is a PTS." You know,
4 "What's a rule in Scientology, does it appear in the
5 Narconon." Or even go the other direction. But those
6 kind of questions. And not go beyond the implications
7 about how Scientology may respond to a suppressant
8 person; that's a different -- that's not relevant to
9 this particular case here.
10 Q. Okay. I think that's fair enough. So what 1
11 wanted to make sure was that you weren't going to come
12 and offer expert testimony in this case about practices
13 of the Church of Scientology that you're critical of and
14 then to sort of, you know, make the Narconon program
15 seem bad because there's some connection through these
16 L. Ron Hubbard works?
17 A. I didn't intend to talk about issues of harm.
18 I thought it was just enough to say, "These documents
19 exist." Or, "These concepts exist here, they exist
20 there." And if it's a jury trial, let the jury make
21 conclusions.
22 Q. Are there any opinions about the Church of
23 Scientology's practice or beliefs that you intend to
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2 THE WITNESS: I can't think of any at
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9 Scientology. That I agree with. And I'm
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11 I wouldn't even say principles. I think
12 direct bon-owings, but -- but more or less I
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15 Q. Well, we have the documents that you've
16 produced to us in Exhibit 2, and we've talked about a
17 few of them. Are any of those documents ones that you
18 would need to specifically point to in order to support
19 your opinions 1 and 2, or -- and I realize that
20 sometimes you pull documents and --
21 A. Yeah.
22 Q. --they aren't necessarily doctUnents you're
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about the ones that you would point to to support the
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A. Uh-huh (affirmative).
Q. But if there're ones that are just general
background, that you're not going to point to to support
your opinions, then I don't need to talk to you about
them. But I would like to identify them.
A. Sure.
MS. FRANKLIN: And if you want to take a
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THE WITNESS: Sure.
MR. MILLER: Let me do this. I will
mark the rest of them as separate documents.
MS. FRANKLIN: Okay.
MR. MILLER: And that may -- we've
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this case, and I think you've now gotten to the point
where we can do it. And if you wouldn't mind, just
identify by exhibit number and then tell me.
And, for the record, too, what I've done is
I've taken Exhibit 2 and I've broken it down into
individual documents. So maybe what we can do is the
exhibit number and the Bates range of the pages.
A. Forgive me for being slow here; I just ran
across a section I thought I should pay a bit more
attention to.
Okay. And again, I apologize, I just wanted
to check that one document.
I will jump around, unfortunately, with some
of the exhibits, but if we can start with No.--
Exhibit 18. Again, as I got the charge and started
thinking about it, there's nothing in 18 that
specifically relates to this -- to the possibility of
Scientology courses influencing or being part of the
Narconon program.
MR. AMASON: Excuse me, can we get the
Bates numbers when we look at these?
THE WITNESS: Oh, I-- sure. This is
Exhibit 18, Bates number starts at 0821.
MR. AMASON: Thank you.
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There's a section in there about
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Q. Okay. So Exhibit 18 is not going to be --
A. Sure.
Q. -- something you rely upon.
A. Okay. Exhibit 17, which is Bates number 0809
through 0820, is Scientology's submission to the IRS, I
believe, about Narconon's status. And beyond what I--
the vague things I said about it having charitable --
or, nonprofit status, certainly before the IRS decision,
I'm not going to make any big deal out of that one.
Q. Is this just a portion of the submission?
A. Oh, the submission was -- you can see on the
table of contents there was quite a number of other
items included. I just photocopied the ABLE section and
the Narconon section. But I'm not-- I'm not going to
push any issues about the relationship between Narconon
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Q. Okay.
A. So part of my comments are based upon this
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Q. But, again, you're not going to say anything
more about the relationship between N arconon
International and Narconon of Georgia, beyond what
you've already testified to?
A. I'm not going to say anything beyond what I've
testified already.
Q. So that Exhibit 17, then, is simply consistent
with your belief that as part of this dialogue with the
IRS, the Church of Scientology discussed Narconon?
A. That's true. And I believe even before the
IRS decision Narconon had nonprofit status.
Q. And, again, whether that nonprofit status was
based on it just being a charity versus religion you
don't know?
A. I'll leave that open.
Q. Okay.
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realized if it's got medical issues or medical claims,
I'm just going to stay away from that area. So I don't
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Exhibit 16.
Q. Okay. So you're not going to rely on
Exhibit 16?
A. No.
Q. That's conect, right?
A. And we already talked --
Q. I'm sorry. I asked my question poorly.
You're not going to rely upon Exhibit 16 in your
opinions in this case?
A. That's correct.
Now, Exhibit 15 does have a-- this is Bates
0798 through 0801. This is an early Narconon program
that does discuss Scientology's portrayal of the history
ofNarconon. That's a question that came up between us,
so maybe this would be of some value. 1f the history --
if a history ofNarconon comes up in court. So-- I
mean, it came up here, and ...
Q. But it would be fair to say, I think,
Dr. Kent, that your knowledge of the history --
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2 A. Yes. I don't think, again, with the specifics
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4 going to have any real bearing on the case here.
5 Q. And Exhibit 15, it looks like, is an article
6 written by William Benitez as the founder ofNarconon?
7 A. That's right.
8 Q. And he's the prisoner who started a program to
9 help get people off dmgs and alcohol when he was in
10 prison?
11 A. That's true. He was in Arizona state prison,
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14 on this, Exhibit No. 3, but this is the-- "Dr. Kent's
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1 Q. -- talked about that.
2 A. Now ... What is this? Yeah, the reason I
3 included Exhibit 13, which is Bates number 0737 to 0758,
4 was there were some -- if issues came up -- well,
5 nothing's come up about Narconon and the larger
6 scholarship. So as long as I'm not going to get asked
7 about Narconon and the larger scholarship, I won't have
8 to refer to this article. Ifi get asked, there's a
9 question about Narconon and the larger scholarship, then
10 I will refer to this article. But it's not come up in
11 the deposition today, so ...
12 Q. What do you mean by "Narconon and the larger
13 scholarship"?
14 A. This is an article entitled "Alternative
15 therapy, Dianctics, and Scientology." And it looks at
1 6 the sub-social world of Scientology as an alternative
17 medical practice.
18 Q. Okay. But--
19 A. And in that context there are a couple
20 mentions ofNarconon. So just-- I'm not going to refer
21 to it unless somebody were to challenge me and say, "You
22 have no -- no academic basis for talking about your
23 subject," then I would say, "Oh, yes, I do." Hasn't
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2 Q. But in terms of an academic basis for your
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5 Hubbard's writings?
6 A. This atticle doesn't talk about Narconon
7 Georgia, so ...
8 Q. Right. And it doesn't sound to me like you're
9 going to talk about the Narconon of Georgia program one
10 way or the other in terms of its efficacy, or whether
11 it's pseudo medicine or not pseudo medicine, or
12 whether--
13 A. That's -- that's fair enough.
14 Q. As I understood that article, that has to do
15 with -- I think it would be fair to say that Exhibit 13
16 is not going to be something you would need to rely upon
17 to offer any of the opinions that you've identified here
18 today that you're going to give at trial?
19 A. That's true. That's true.
20 Now, Exhibit 14. And this is Bates number
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"In mistreating dmg addiction, psychiatry
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process. For the first time in American history, a
social matter--dmgs--is a major concern for the
population. " And it goes on to talk about -- well, "The
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drug-free solution to a drug problem, here's the
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called Narconon, which exclusively uses his methods."
Now, you know, "exclusively uses his methods"
is pretty much what I'm saying in my submissions. But I
was also interested in the statement about his years of
research. One of the things that comes out about
Narconon is, there's a tremendous number of claims but
there's no production of any kind of research notes or
research protocol or tests or whatnot. So that issue
could come up. Is it in terms of what Narconon's based
upon, there hasn't been the presentation of research
documents, in a n·aditional scientific sense, that one
might expect when there's so much talk about research.
So that's why I marked that particular number.
And then finally, just on Bates Page 0793,
just to make sure that radiation gets included in a
discussion about purification, there's a picture of an
atomic explosion. So that's why I included these.
Oh, and you've broken down No. 2, so I needn't
go through -- unless I'm mistaken, that's -- unless I've
gotten some papers mixed up, I believe that's all of the
breakdown there is of the No.2 fatter exhibit.
Q. Okay. So going back to Exhibit 14 for a
minute, which is Bates range 0774 to 797?
A. Okay. I don' t have a copy-- oh, I see, I
might in this large pack. I'm sorry, what is the
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1 number, 07 ... ? 1 A. -- because there isn't the production of
2 Q. 774. You said this would have some connection 2 documents to back up the claims.
3 to your opinions in that Narconon is supportive of a 3 Q. Whether those documents exist or don't exist
4 non-drug, non-psychiatrist smt of solution to drug 4 you just don't know?
5 problems . 5 A. Oh, they don't exist.
6 A. That's how it portrays itself. There's a 6 Q. How do you know that?
7 real -- again, in Scientology there's a very strong 7 A. 'Cause I've talked to so many people who were
8 anti-psychiatry strain. 8 with Hubbard. I'm-- and he never, ever had any kind of
9 Q. And that's a document that looks like it was 9 scientific tests. He never conducted any kind of
10 generated in 1989? If you flip back a couple pages. 10 scientific tests.
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Q. I think you said 1979 earlier, but it looks
like Page 779, Bates number 779?
A. Yeah, and 0780.
Q. Right.
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Q. And it looks like--flip back one page--that's
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there just isn't any of the kind of research and sci --
it's not -- nothing's been published anywhere about--
from Hubbard, to show what his findings were.
Q. Okay, we're talking about two different things
here. You're saying that you're not aware of any
published research by L. Ron Hubbard. That's one--
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research can consist of talking to people, right?
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expertise to try to evaluate the effectiveness of a 7 and Scientology. But in terms of doing it
program like this? 8 systematically, you know, keeping records, testing
A. That's correct. 9 hypotheses and so on, none of that was done. And I've
Q. Or any of the medical or physiological issues 10 never seen anything-- it was years ago -- oh, what was
11 that might be concerned with, you know, whether the 11 it called. There were attempts from Scientology to
sauna program or the vitamins assist people in helping 12 enter the field of science. I think there are even one
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discussing any of those issues. So it was more the 15 But in this kind of-- in the Narconon books, there's no
issue about the research claims. But the research 16 citation to any research that Hubbard actually did.
claims, ifl may, you know, in the back of each one of 17 There's constant statements about it, but there's just
these books there's a short biography of Mr. Hubbard, 18 no evidence that he-- to produce the basis for the
and there's always claims about-- about his research. 19 claims.
This is Page 396 of book 1, "Therapeutic TR Course." 20 MR. MILLER: Let me see that blue book,
"His research proved that not only is a 21 if you would please, Rebecca.
person's health hannfully affected by drugs ... " It's 22 MS. FRANKLIN: Sure.
more the issue about research. That one has to take 23 MR. MILLER: Thank you.
these claims of research on faith, --
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Q. I'm trying to find the biography of...
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1 But, bottom line, Dr. Kent, it sounds like you 1 Q. And that document would be from the 1990s?
2 are not going to offer opinions in tllis case about what 2 A. The 1993.
3 does or does not work in tenns of getting people off 3 Q. The draft settlement agreement, which was not
4 drugs? 4 the final settlement agreement?
5 A. I don't want to go there. 5 A. That's correct.
6 Q. Okay. And you have not made an attempt to try 6 Q. But you haven't done anything to research the
7 to research that issue yourself, nor is that within your 7 basis ofNarconon of Georgia's charitable status?
8 field of expertise? 8 A. No. No.
9 A. I've certainly not done any kind of studies to 9 Q. Or Narconon International's charitable -- or,
10 measure success rates. In this Narconon program or any 10 nonprofit status at the current time?
11 others. 11 A. I have not done any research on it.
12 Q. And then on Exhibit 14, Page 793, the mushroom 12 Q. Nor would that be within your expertise, to
13 cloud, that just relates to the fact that there was a 13 determine what basis either Narconon of Georgia or
14 belief that part of this detoxification could assist in 14 Narconon Intemational might have for nonprofit status?
15 getting radiation out of somebody's body? 15 A. Yeah, 1 don't really foresee going in that
16 A. That's correct. 16 direction. I mean, I've told you what little I know,
17 Q. Okay. Which you talked about earlier? 17 and --about the relational issues. And they're just
18 A. That's true. 18 not clear enough for me to say anything definitive.
19 Q. Have we now talked about all the documents in 19 Q. In the course of this deposition, is there
20 your file that you would point to to support any of your 20 anything else, other than possibly going back and
21 opinions in this case? 21 looking at Exhibit 7 some more, that you would do to get
22 A. "All the documents ... " Now, ifl were to go 22 ready for trial?
23 through these Narconon booklets point by point, there'd 23 A. I'd want to have another run-through of these
24 be a lot more cormections I'd make with Scientology. 24 books. But, other than that, I can't tlllnk of anything.
2 5 Q. I appreciate that. I'm trying to -- 2 5 Q. But if there was no dispute in this case that
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2 but-- but I'm not planning on going home and fmding 2 L. Ron Hubbard, would there be anything else you would
3 more documents, if that's part of what you're asking. 3 do?
4 Q. It is. 4
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6 Q. What I wanted to do is to make sure that, of 6
7 that collection of documents that we've marked as 7
8 Exhibit 2, that we've talked about any documents or 8
9 portions of documents in there that you would point to 9
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12 this IRS agreement. I've read it several times; I 'm 12
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20 don't want to necessarily throw that out, though. 20
21 Q. And your purpose of going back and looking at 21
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MS. FRANKLIN: Object to the form.
THE WITNESS: Well, the only concem is
exactly what that agreement -- agreement
would mean. It's hard -- it's put right on
the cover, "Based on the works of L. Ron
Hubbard." I think the question is, well ,
what does that mean in the context of
Scientology being a religion, these documents
bon-owing from a religion, these being
secular. So there's still some areas of
discussion. But I could agree with you that
the Narconon books are based upon the works
ofL. Ron Hubbard.
BY MR. MILLER:
Q. Right. And with the exception of the two
dynanlics that you've discussed in book 6, there's
notl1ing that you've identified in there that would be
religious?
A. At this point I can't recall anything else.
Again, if-- I don't want to waste your time going
through all these books, you know.
Q. Okay. But even if there was something else in
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1 one of these books that would be religious in nature of 1
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3 probably talking about, you know, spirituality or 3
4 getting in touch with a higher being? 4
5 A. Again, I don't want to -- I want to be very 5
6 careful not to get into issues about discussing moral or 6
7 ethical issues about Scientology. Because there's a lot 7
8 of moral and ethical statements. You know, I simply 8
9 want to point out that, you know, the dynamics contain 9
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11 realms beyond the secular one, and there's some 11
12 discussion of it there. And leave it at that, if... 12
13 Q. Have we talked about all the opinions that 13
14 you're going to offer in this case? 14
15 MS. FRANKLIN: Object to the fonn. 15
16 THE WITNESS: Certainly in the broad 16
17 sense. Again, there's a lot more in the 17
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20 of what we've discussed. 20
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22 Q. Well, I want to explore that with you for a 22
23 minute. I mean, when you say "there's ... more in the 23
24 books," I'm assuming that what you mean is that there 24
25 are more things in the books that you could point to and 25
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4 Q. But other than that, is there anything else in 4
5 these books, other than specific examples you might find 5
6 to support your second opinion here, which is that the 6
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12 well. That I'd find more specific examples, but 12
13 nothing --no new bombshells, you might say. 13
14 Q. Okay. So, with that understanding, have we 14
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18 THE WITNESS: With that understanding, 18
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again and--
A. Sure.
Q. --talk to you about those. You understand
that--
A. I understand, yeah.
Q. I want to make sure that we've covered
everything that's in Exhibit 2.
MR. MILLER: Let's take a short break
and just look at what we've already marked.
I'll tell you what we can do... Go off the
record.
(Discussion off the record.)
(Thereupon, marked for identification
purposes, Defendants' Exhibit Nos. 19 and
20.)
THE WITNESS: The only items I came
across that might be of use is Bates
number 0760 through 0767. These have to do
with assists. I mentioned locational assists
a couple times . May or may not come up.
They're similar to some other kinds of
processes that appear in these -- in these
books.
BY MR. MILLER:
Q. The Narconon books?
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A. In the Narconon books, yes, sir.
Other than that... And, again, I'll -- other
than what we've discussed, I think we've covered this
Exhibit No. 2 fairly well.
Q. There were two other documents in
Exhibit No.2 that, in my effort to mark them
separately, that I haven't asked you about. Let me ask
you first, Exhibit 19, --
A. Okay.
Q. --if that's anything you're going to be
relying upon?
A. Again, this is from the old historical record,
and since I -- the historical record really doesn't come
to bear in this particular case, so I see no reason to
include it.
Q. So you're not going to rely on Exhibit 19; --
A. No.
Q. --how about Exhibit 20? Is that anything
that you're going to rely upon?
A. I don't think it's any need to, no.
Q. Okay. So just to be clear, I think we have an
2 2 Q. And if you have any additional opinions, will 2 2 agreement that if you come up with any new or additional
23 you let your lawyer know right away? 23 opinions, you'll let your lawyers know right away, and
24 A. Sure. 24 then we have an agreement we can come back and depose
25 Q. And we'll need to come back and depose you 25 you on it.
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1 A. Yes, sir. Yes, sir.
2 Q. And if we don't hear anything between now and
3 the time of trial, it's fair for us to assume you're not
4 going to offer any opinions other than what you've
5 already talked about today?
6 A. Yes, sir, that's --
7 MS. FRANKLIN: Object to--
a THE WITNESS: -- tme.
9 MS. FRANKLIN:-- the form.
10 BY MR. MILLER:
11 Q. And you've completed your work?
12 A. Other than going back through the books.
13 Q. And if you went back through the books to find
14 more specific examples, my understanding would be you'd
15 say, "Okay, there's the word--" --I mean, give me an
16 example of something else that's in there that's ...
17 A. Overt withholds.
1a Q. Okay. And then you would explain what that
19 means in the context of Hubbard's writings and the
20 Church of Scientology?
21 A. Yes, sir.
22 Q. But you would not offer the opinion that
23 because that's in the book, that makes the book a bad
24 book or this a bad program or anything like that?
25 A. That's correct.
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1 Q. It would just be more examples to support your
2 opinion number 2? --
3 A. Right.
4 Q. --On Exhibit 4.
5 A. And, again, I don't want to get into questions
6 of goodness or badness.
7 Q. Let me ask you about the financial aspects of
a all this. What are you charging for your time in this
9 case?
10 A. 250 an hour.
11 Q. 250 an hour?
12 A. Yes. Yes, sir.
13 Q. Is that for all of the time you've spent on
14 the case?
15 A. Yes.
16 Q. Will that be the same for depositions, trials,
17 everything?
1a A. Yes, sir.
19 Q. And that would mean you've put in about $2500
20 of work before you came to Atlanta, assuming you've
21 spent about --
22 A. About ten hours, okay. Yeah.
23 Q. And then since you've been in Atlanta you bad
24 the meeting yesterday with -- was it Rebecca or Jeff
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A. That's correct, yeah.
Q. Was there anything they asked you to offer an
opinion about that we haven't talked about today?
A. I'm not sure. I think counsel would know
better than me. And I understand after -- at the end of
a deposition counsel may get a few minutes to ask me
questions, so I don't want to answer for counsel.
Q. No. The--
A. We've had-- I think we've covered a lot.
There's nothing that 1 can think of at this point, but
counsel may have some other-- some related questions.
Q. Well, I just don't want to be surprised at
trial, --
A. Yeah, I understand.
Q. --so if there's something that, based on your
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A. Uh-huh (affirmative).
Q. -- opinions that you--
A. Uh-huh (affirmative). No,--
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A. --yeah.
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Q. Well, you've made reference to the books that
you reviewed last night. Let's go ahead-- we marked
one of those, book number 6, as Exhibit 12; let's just
mark the remainder of the books, because I think that' s
something that we wanted to do.
MR. MILLER: I'll get the court reporter
to mark those.
And then, Rebecca, you said these have
been scanned in in some fashion that we can
get these from you?
MS. FRANKLIN: Well, can we agree to use
the scanned-in versions that you've produced
in discovery?
MR. MILLER: Well, the only hesitancy I
have to that would be that these are the
books that he's reviewed.
MS. FRANKLIN: Okay.
MR. MILLER: What we could do is maybe
look at the publication dates or something
and just determine whether it's necessary
to--
MS. FRANKLIN: Right.
MR. MILLER: As long as we have the
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1 agreement that you' ll keep these books.
2 MS. FRANKLIN: Sure, sure, --
3 MR. MILLER: -- and we'll have access to
4 them.
5 MS. FRANKLIN: --of course.
6 THE WITNESS: Uh-huh (affirmative).
7 MR. MILLER: So let's go ahead and mark
8 these as the next series of exhibits.
9 (Recess at 2:54, resumed at 3:00.)
10 (Thereupon, marked for identification
11 purposes, Defendants' Exhibit Nos. 21
12 through 26.)
13 (Thereupon, Mr. Hynes is not present in
14 the deposition room.)
15 BY MR. MILLER:
16 Q. Dr. Kent, during the short break we have
17 marked as exhibits 21, which is book number 1 that you
18 reviewed; Exhibit 23, which is book 4a; Exhibit 24,
19 which is book 5; Exhibit 25, which is book 7, and
20 Exhibit 26, which is book 8, for purposes of
21 identification. And what we've agreed to do is, with
22 these exhibits, including the book we marked earlier as
23 Exhibit 12, which is book number 6, that Rebecca's going
24 to keep those books, we'll all have access to them as
25 necessary, --
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2 deposition room.)
3 BY MR. MILLER:
4 Q. -- and we can compare these books to the ones
5 that have already been produced in litigation and decide
6 whether there's any need for any of us to get copies of
7 the books.
8 A. Okay.
9 MR. MILLER: Is that agreeable with
10 everybody?
11 MS. FRANKLIN: Sure.
12 BY MR. MILLER:
13 Q. So, for the record, Exhibits 12, 21, 23, 24,
14 25 and 26 will stay with Rebecca.
15 (Discussion off the record.)
16 BY MR. MILLER:
17 Q. I think I may have omitted Exhibit 22, which
18 is book number 3 that got marked.
19 Dr. Kent, do you have any idea how Jeff Harris
20 and the plaintiffs' lawyers found you?
21 A. I asked Jeff that. I think he -- I'm not
22 entirely sure. I think he saw a reference to me in a
23 newspaper article.
24 Q. What newspaper article is that?
25 A. It was one-- it was a New York Times article,
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and I'm not -- I know I was quoted in one New York Times
article about Scientology; 1 can't recall if I've been
quoted in any more. But other than that, I'm not sure.
Q. What was the thrust of the article?
A. Let's see, there were -- there were two
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One was about the IRS agreement, and the other was about
the Lisa McPherson case. This is a case in Florida
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Q. Okay.
MR. MILLER: Will you mark another
document?
(Thereupon, marked for identification
purposes, Defendants' Exhibit No. 27.)
BY MR. MILLER:
Q. I show you what's been marked as Exhibit 27,
which is a list of --
A. Uh-huh (affirmative).
Q. -- Scientology articles from your web site, I
believe?
A. That's true. Okay, this is ... I'd say the CV
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Q. Between the CV and Exhibit 27 would we have
all of the articles that you've ever written on
Scientology identified?
A. You should. Let me check on one here.
As far as I !mow, everything's listed in the
resume that I published on Scientology. I'm not sure
everything's on the web site yet.
Q. But between Exhibit 1 and Exhibit 27 we have
all of the articles you've written about Scientology or
L. Ron Hubbard or any --
A. Uh-huh (affirmative).
Q. -- organization related to Scientology and --
A. As far as 1 know, that's true, yes, sir.
Q. And all of the written or deposition testimony
you've given would be identified on Exhibit 1, and it
sounds like you've given two depositions before this
case having to do with Scientology; the--
A. I believe that's true, uh-huh (affirmative).
Q. --Williams case in Colorado, and the--
A. Padgett case in Kentucky, l believe it was.
Q. Okay. And you have copies of both those
depositions?
A. I don't have copies of either one of them.
Q. Okay.
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1 A. At least l -- l surely don't have one from
2 Colorado, and I'm pretty sure I don't have one from--
3 I'm almost entirely sure I don't have one from Padgett.
4 Q. I may have the Colorado one.
5 A. lfyou do, I have to chuckle, because I'd be
6 the one hoping that you give me a copy of my deposition.
7 'Cause I don't have one.
8 Q. Let me just hand you a document. Does that
9 appear to be the deposition you gave in the Colorado
10 case?
11 A. It was taken by Stuart Mann, so ... But I'm
12 certain I don't have this. And unless I'm drawing a
13 brain -- brain blank here, I don't think I ever got a
14 copy.
15 Q. Okay.
16 MR. MILLER: Let's mark this as the next
17 exhibit.
18 THE WITNESS: And I'll get a copy
19 eventually through the... Good, good. Thank
20 you.
21 (Thereupon, marked for identification
22 purposes, Defendants' Exhibit No. 28.)
23 BY MR. MILLER:
24 Q. Exhibit 28 now is -- and I want you to satisfy
25 yourself that that appears to be a true and accurate
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3 A. 2010. I -- it's the right attomeys. I'm
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5 Yeah, he's over -- I'm sure that's accurate.
6 For the deposition.
7 Q. Have you spoken to Dr. Roy, who's --
8 A. No.
9 Q. -- another expert in this case?
10 A. No, I haven't.
11 Q. And you haven't seen any repmts or writings
12 from him, have you?
13 A. No.
14 Q. And 1 take it you don't have any plans to get
15 together with Dr. Roy and talk about the case or any --
16 A. No, I don't.
17 Q. Okay. Would you characterize Scientology as a
18 cult?
19 A. Generally speaking, I try to avoid the word.
20 I've used it sometimes. There's a number of different
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22 it just -- you sidestep a whole series of issues. I do
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Okay. But you have in the past sometimes
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A. I'm fairly sure. Now, I'm not sure in what
publication it may have been. I mean, generally
speaking, I avoid it; I'm not going to say I' ve never
used the term "cult," because I just have a little
inkling that somewhere I have.
Q. What, if any, connection or knowledge do you
have about the Cult Awareness Network?
A. And ... ?
Q. Just, what is the Cult Awareness Network?
A. It's outside of what I was asked to talk about
here, so... That's the only reason I'm hesitating. I
don't know that it has any bearing on the case.
Q. I'm not going to ask you very many questions
about it, --
A. Ub-huh (affirmative).
Q. -- but I understand you know or knew Cynthia
Kisser, who was the principal at the Cult Awareness
Network?
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figure, so I can say I did know her.
Q. And I'm just trying to find out, did you ever
work with the Cult Awareness Network in any way, as an
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A. Never as an expert, never as-- in any court
cases. I wrote about a Cult Awareness Network core
case, but it was a year or two after it happened. Maybe
longer. But at the time, no.
Q. What was the case that you wrote about?
A. This was a case brought against the Cult
Awareness Network by a person named Jason Scott.
Q. Was that the gentleman who claimed that he had
been kidnapped and deprogrammed from a Pentecostal
church?
A. Yes, sir, that's the one.
Q. And that was his claim, was the Cult Awareness
Network had kidnapped him and deprogrammed him to try to
persuade him not to be a Pentecostal?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Okay. And I believe you have described
yourself at some point as "the most vocal academic in
the world" when it comes to discussing what you perceive
as human rights abuses by Scientology? Would that be
the way you've characterized yourself?
A. 1 can't remember saying it, but it certainly
is something I could say. Ifl --so I can't tell you
if I said it at a particular time. There is a-- "the
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1 there's an academic who's not really in the field of
2 studying religious groups who in many ways is I think
3 much more aggressive about Scientology than I am. And
4 that's David Touretzky. There was a very strong article
5 written against Scientology, using words I have never
6 used, and phrases, by an Israeli academic named Benjamin
7 Beit-Hallahmi. His last-- so it's B-E-1-T, hyphen,
8 H-A-L-A-H-H-M-1 [sic], I think? Beit-Hallahmi. Who's
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A. Okay, sure, thanks. This is not the copy that
got pub -- there' s an article that he published in the
book. Now, this may be -- so we don't know which
edition this is, if any. But what I'm looking for here
is footnotes. And the footnotes -- see, this is -- this
is just an article. It doesn't-- it has no indication
that it's ever been published, and, in essence, anybody
can write an article. Now, he did write an article
attempting to refute me in a book. The reason I'm
looking at this article--and the published version is
14 Q. Would it be fair to say, though, that your
15 views you've written about Scientology have been
16 somewhat controversial in the academic community?
17 A. It's raised some contToversy with some people.
18 Q. There are people who have published things
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21 A. Do you have a specific?
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A. I do.
Q. And who is he?
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in Waterloo, Ontario.
Q. Was he a colleague of yours when you were at
the University of Waterloo?
A. No; we were colleagues in graduate school. I
was a year or two ahead of him, so was a slight bit
older.
Q. He makes the statement in a paper that, "To
the surprise of many, Stephen Kent and Benjamin--"--
A. Beit-Hallahmi.
Q. Well, it's Z-A-B --
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Q. Z-A-B-L-0-C-K-1?
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reestablish brainwashing or coercive persuasion as a
legitimate social scientific concept, reversing the
results of 20 years of academic and legal struggle
between sociologists, religion, and others in the
anti -cult movement."
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11 Methodological Critique of Stephen Kent's 'Brainwashing
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14 A. In the book I've got an article for this --
15 before Lome Dawson's that talks about what I called
16 brainwashing in two different groups. One was in the
17 Rehabilitation Project Force in Scientology, which I had
18 mentioned earlier, which is, at least as I portrayed it,
19 the reeducation program in Scientology that's equivalent
20 to a penal system. And there was another group,
21 Children of God, that had a program especially against
22 teens. Lome wrote this response, but, again, citing a
23 paper isn't good enough, because it doesn't have the
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a Ph.D." And I said, "What? He signed Ph.D. on this.
I've got it here in writing, Ph.D." So I made phone
calls around, and it turned out he had had his Ph.D.
revoked. I think it was the University of-- I think he
5 Q. Okay. Well, again, I'm not trying to ask you
6 to agree or respond to what Dr. Dawson said. I'm just
7 trying to determine if there has been academic debate
s about some of yow- theories about Scientology?
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Scandinavia? Norway, perhaps?
Q. How about Dr. Anson Shupe?
A. He's a sociologist at Indiana.
Q. Has he had criticisms of some of your work?
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Cult Awareness files. Now, I ctiticized Shupe-- these
are long stories. These are kind of the academic
debates that go on, though. I criticized Shupe for his
expert testimony in the Jason Scott Cult Awareness
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the table of contents as an advertisement. And an
academic in Britain got it, contacted the Children of
God, and said, "This a11icle's about to appear."
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fact after fact wrong. A lot of it was about my trips
to Germany and talks before a German Bundestag, a
parliamentary committee, about-- about sex cults, and
they called them psycho groups. And he just got-- he
got -- he didn't have the book -- he didn't have the
final report from the Gem1an government in front of him,
and he made assumptions about what I said. He didn't
know that the Gem1an report quoted me in one section,
actually about the RPF. So-- so Shupe-- and I've
responded to Shupe in this last item that came out on
Scientology in a German festschrift, a series of essays
in honor of a particular person. These festschrift was
in honor of a person named Thomas Gandow, G-A-N-D-0-W,
who's the initial person who brought me over to Germany.
He retired, they asked for essays in his honor, I wrote
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1 at least get in print my response to Shupe." So... 1 my work. So there's a bias there.
2 Q. How about Dr. Gordon Melton? 2 Q. Okay. Of cow·se, you would say that he's
3 A. Gordon Melton is not a-- a tenured faculty 3 biased because he brings a religious perspective to the
4 member. As far as I know, Gordon Melton is a Ph.D., I 4 work, I suppose?
5 think in something like church history or religious 5 A. I've seen it in various aspects of his work,
6 history, something. He's an ordained minister. He is 6 yes.
7 the director of the Institute for the Study of American 1 Q. Are there other academics that you're aware of
8 Religion that's based out of-- his collection is in the 8 who have been critical of any of your work or opinions?
9 University of California at Santa Barbara, but as far as 9 A. Well, there's an article that came out in a
10 I know he's not a faculty member. So he's not-- he's 10 journal called Religious Studies and Theology, by Susan
11 done a lot of consulting work for both Scientology and a 11 Rain, that looked at surveillance in Scientology, and
12 number of other groups. You know, we could get into 12 she quotes favorably my RPF work. So it would be
13 reasons why. In part, he doesn't get an academic 13 misrepresenting to believe that it is all, you know, me
14 paycheck, so he's got to get income from somewhere, and 14 against the world.
15 he gets it from books. He's published a number of 15 Q. Well, I guess all I'm trying to establish,
16 books. And-- but he's done consulting for a lot of 16 which I think is true, is that among academics there are
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19 really trying to determine is whether there has been 19 view, and there are people who oppose your point of view
2 o some dispute in the academic community about some of 2 o on a number of points and you oppose their point of
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Lewis's credentials for the reasons you've -- 10 any questions before you go?
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Q. --stated, but do you question Anson Shupe's
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MR. MILLER: -- with you, Rebecca, I'd
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THE WITNESS: Sure.
EXAMINATION
BY MR. HYNES:
Q. I represent Delgado Development. As I
understand what you said earlier, you don't have any
opinions or criticism regarding the housing in this
particular case; is that correct?
A. I'm not going to discuss the housing issue at
all.
Q. And you don't have any opinions, criticisms
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1 that you're going to express in this case regarding
2 Delgado Development; is that also true?
3 A. I'm not going to express any criticisms or
4 anythjng about Delgado Development.
5 Q. Okay. Thanks.
6 A. Sure.
7 MR. MILLER: I need to ask Helena a
8 question, and I think I may be done.
9 MS. FRANKLIN: Okay.
10 MR. MILLER: Do you have -- are you
11 going to ask him some questions?
12 MS. FRANKLIN: Yes, I'm going to have
13 follow-up.
14 (Discussion off the record.)
15 (Recess at 3:3 1, resumed at 3:33.)
16 MS. FRANKLIN: Before I begin asking
17 Dr. Kent some questions, l'd like for
18 everybody to put on the record who they are
19 and who they are here representing or here on
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21 MR. AMASON: Jeff Amason; I'm
22 representing Dr. Robbins.
23 MR. HYNES: Sean Hynes, Delgado
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9 Q. Dr. Kent, I just have some follow-up questions
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13 MS. KOBRIN: I'm son·y, my name is not
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15 MS. FRANKLIN: I'm sorry, how do you
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17 MS. KOBRIN: It's Kobrin.
18 MS. FRANKLIN: Kobrin, I apologize.
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20 Q. Do you know Ms. Kobrin?
21 A. We've never met.
22 Q. Okay. Do you know of her?
23 A. I do.
24 Q. Do you know what she does for a living?
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A. She did give me a card, and it says Moxon &
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Q. Okay. And do you know what her practice area
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A. I' ve always assumed that it's through
Los Angeles.
Q. Okay. Dr. Kent, you were asked a nwnber of
questions generally about the course materials which are
Defendants' Exhibits 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, and 12, and
you said you reviewed these materials yesterday or last
night, correct?
A. That's right.
Q. What were you looking for?
A. I was looking for connections between what was
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Q. And in your review did you see anything within
these materials that is not based on the teachings of
Scientology?
A. Every major concept in these books seemed to
be based upon Scientology.
Q. Okay. And you weren't asked many specifics
about all of the books, and I'm not going to ask you to
go through, page by page, each of them, but you did
mention that you saw a number of l think you said
"classic Scientology terms"; is that right?
A. Oh, sure.
Q. And if at trial you're asked to discuss those
terms, Scientology terms, and how they fit into the
beliefs and practices of the Church of Scientology,
you're prepared and able to do that, conect?
A. Yes.
Q. And same thing with the different teachings
within these books; you're prepared to, you know, talk
about any one that you're asked about and how that
particular teaching or lesson fits into the beliefs and
practices of the Church of Scientology, right?
A. Let me trunk. Yes, as long as they don't
drift-- as long as they don't have to drift into
discussions about morals or ethics or whatnot.
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1 Q. Okay. 1 understand that.
2 A. Yeah.
3 Q. I'm just going to flip through some of these
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5 Let's start with book number 1. First of all,
6 it's titled "Therapeutic TR Course." Is there a course
7 in the Church of Scientology called "Therapeutic TR
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9 A. I think it's called "The Communications
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11 Q. Okay.
12 A. lt includes the TRs.
13 Q. And just tell me generally, what are TRs?
14 A. They're training routines. They're exchanges
15 that go on between a client and what's called a coach.
16 Q. And the Church of Scientology uses the term
17 "TR," correct?
18 A. That's right, yes.
19 Q. All right. And I'm just looking at tills one,
20 it's TR 8, on Page 333, and some of the depositions,
21 which I understand you haven't read, talk about a TR
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24 A. Oh, sure; that's a well-known TR in
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4 A. Well, Scientology sees the TRs--well,
5 especially this TR--as trying to get a person to project
6 intention into a particular target. And in this case
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8 an ashtray. The person is supposed to project his or
9 her intention in a very firm, clear, loud manner. You
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11 tell the ashtray to sit down, and so on. What it means
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Q. Doctor, do you remember where you were in the
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A. Yeah, we were talking about TRs and what their
signjficance is in Scientology. Scientology also
believes that people who have had traumatic events are
not oriented into what is called present time. So some
of the TRs are supposed to get a person oriented towards
the here and now. And they're important-- Narconon
offici als or somebody--Scicntology officials, Narconon
officials--must think the TRs are important, because
they reappear in the Narconon program. So people go
through the TRs a second time later on.
Q. Based on your understanding, are the TRs in
the Narconon materials any different than the TRs in the
Scientology course books?
A. The only difference 1 saw is that in the
Narconon booklet it talks about TR9. But TR9 is
actually just a repeat ofTR6b, if I'm not mistaken.
Now, I've never seen a mention ofTR9. But because it's
a repetition ofTR6b, I don't put a whole Jot of weight
on its existence.
Q. Okay. And on Page 368, and it's discussing
TR8, the direction is, "The student now does TR8 with
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A. Oh, sure; it's an assigned person to go
through the -- with whom one goes through the courses.
Q. Okay. Now, Defendants' Exhibit 22, which is
the "Learning Improvement Course 3," is that a course
that members of the Church of Scientology go through?
A. I -- they wouldn't -- I don't think they go
under it in that name, but certainly the content they go
through.
Q. Okay. And on Page 114 of Defendants'
Exhibit 22, there's a discussion of "working things out
in clay." Are you familiar with this sort of drill?
A. Oh, sure, yes.
Q. And is that a principle or a drill practiced
by the members of the Church of Scientology?
A. It is. The concept behind it is that one
should bring mass, or something physical, to ideas. The
example used in the book is that you can talk about a
tractor, but until you actually see and touch a tractor
you really don't know what it is. The working with clay
is one form of bringing a mass to ideas.
Now, other forms involve doing demonstrations
with whatever items one has. Sticky notes, a pencil,
paper clips, a rubber band, or so on. But it's still
the same basic principle.
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1 Q. Exhibit 23, which is 4a, the "Communication 1 negative ones. The person subverts an environment which
2 and Perception Course." Is that a course that members 2 he or she is in. Addresses a wrong target. You know,
3 of Scientology may go through? 3 if something goes wrong, he or she blames the wrong
4 A. Let me look at this, because this is-- if I'm 4 person. Speaks in generalities. Will say, you know,
5 not mistaken, this is for all the-- okay. The 5 "they say" as opposed to a social personality, who he
6 objectives are here, and objectives are standard 6 specifically identifies by name that Joe Blow said.
7 Scientology practices; again, these are ones that 7 Person is opposed to any beneficial social action, and
B Hubbard said would be useful for people who have been on a it goes on and.on like this. And the parallels in the
9 drugs to bring them up to present time. Now, I 9 social personality are the opposite. People who work
10 thought-- yeah. I thought this was the one-- yeah, 10 for the betterment of society; who speak in specifics;
11 you're back -- but also you're back to the training 11 who, when transmitting communications, don't make it
12 routines in this book. 12 worse, but make it a bit easier for the person to hear
13 Q. Okay. And training routine number 6 describes 13 who is going to receive the communication. So it's
14 a dtill where it sounds like the students look at a wall 14 things like that.
15 and then go touch a wall and then look at a wall. Are 15 Q. And so is it fair to say that in Scientology
16 you familiar with that training routine? 16 people may be declared an SP, a suppressive person?
17 A. It's a-- it's done in Scientology. 17 MR. MILLER: Object to the form.
18 Q. Okay. What's sort of the purpose, or-- 18 THE WITNESS: Well, in Scientology
19 relating to the beliefs and practices of Scientology of 19 people do get declared to be SPs, or
20 that drill? 20 suppressive persons, and Hubbard made an
21 A. Well, it seems like it's a variation on the 21 association, which actually appears in the
22 location. It's again to make sure a person gets brought 22 Narconon books, between being an SP and being
23 into present time. 23 psychotic. Now, it's not necessarily the
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4 necessarily involved in touching, but some of it is, so 4 Q. Okay. Now, on Page 269 under the title
5 gently taking hold of a person's arm and walking the 5 "Handling the potential trouble source," there's a tenet
6 person up to the wall. 6 or a ptinciple that discusses illnesses and what they
7 Q. But it's a Scientology concept? 7 stem from. And I'm just going to read from it. Says
8 A. Oh, sure. Sure. 8 that "All illnesses, in greater or lesser degree, and
9 Q. All right. And then Defendants' Exhibit 24, 9 all foul- ups, stem directly and only from a PTS
10 "The Ups & Downs in Life Course." Book number 5. Is 10 condition." Is that a Scientology principle?
11 that a course that members of the Church of Scientology 11 A. Yes.
12 would go through? 12 Q. And just generally if you can explain that
13 A. Well, the -- what you get in here is the -- if 13 principle to us.
14 I'm not mistaken, this is the booklet that discusses the 14 A. People who are not antisocial personalities
15 social personality, the antisocial personality and the 15 but who are associated with them get a lot of the
1 6 potential trouble source. They're standard -- they're 16 negativity from the suppressive people. And the problem
17 Scientology te1ms; there's actually a Scientology course 17 becomes when a -- that potential trouble source is
18 called "SP/PTS." 18 associated with a Scientologist or a person in a
19 Q. Just explain to us generally what an SP and 19 particular group and has to receive the criticisms,
20 PTS is, and how that fits into the beliefs and practices 20 through the PTS, of that particular program or
21 of the Church of Scientology. 21 activities or behaviors or belief and so on. And so, in
22 A. The booklet identifies at least 12 22 order-- in Scientology you can't progress in courses if
23 characteristics for an SP, and then 12 mirror 23 you have-- if you're associated with a PTS. You've got
24 characteristics for a social personality. And the 12 24 to deal with the PTS in some way. You've got to get the
25 characteristics for an antisocial personality are all 25 PTS to realize what he or she is doing and then stop.
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1 You've got to handle the PTS in some way, and if those
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4 Q. Okay. This may be a little out of order, but
5 is there any principle or tenet in Scientology relating
6 to the discussion of the Scientology tech among its
7 members, or externally?
8 A. Uh-huh (affirmative). You'll notice in the
9 course pack that if one's having trouble, then there
10 are -- then the course pack gives three explanations as
11 to why. The big issue is the misunderstood word. The
12 claim is that a person has gone past a word that he or
l3 she didn't understand, and in doing so bas disrupted the
14 ability to engage in the material.
15 At no time can a person who has questions go
16 to, say, a case supervisor and get the case supervisor
17 to explain with a for-example. The only discussions in
18 Scientology involve a case supervisor either helping a
19 person find a misunderstood word or pointing the
20 individual to the exact Hubbard policy letter which
21 outlines the doctrines. This kind of explanation that
22 would go on in a classroom, where one might try to draw
23 analogies outside of the particular example, cannot go
24 on in Scientology.
25 Q. Okay. What about criticisms of Scientology?
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3 A. If someone hears you criticizing Scientology,
4 the person is supposed to do a knowledge report on you.
5 To write you up. You know, it's out -- it's out ethics.
6 Q. Okay. And just explain to us generally what
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8 A. You know, ethics is, you know, to keep
9 Scientology working, and even if there are problems, to
10 keep the problems internal. Out ethics is doing
11 something that has the potential for hmting, damaging
12 Scientology's ability to progress and develop and so on.
13 And these knowledge reports are write-ups of a person
14 who knows about some out ethics phenomenon that's going
15 on, hence the term "knowledge report."
16 Q. And ifNarconon bas a policy against
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Is there a similar or exactly same course that members
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A. Yeah, I j ust want to make sure this is all the
conditions -- oh, yeah, these are the conditions -- the
conditions are standard doctrines in Scientology. I
mean, they're fairly basic to the organization.
Q. Well, just explain what conditions -- you
don' t have to list the conditions, but what does the
term "condition" mean in the context or the beliefs and
practices of Scientology?
A. Yeah, I have to use my own words. It's always
best to use Hubbard's, but in this case I'll have to use
my own. The conditions are descriptions of one's
relationship to, you might say, one's responsibilities.
This relationship can be on the straight organizational
level, but it also involves bow an individual relates to
his or her, say, job assignment. Or even his or her
relationship with, you know, family and so on. So the
conditions lay out how one is performing what one should
be perfonning, or how an organization is performing and
what it should be performing.
Q. And are those also found in the Narconon
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6 Q. What does the term "technology" mean in
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8 A. It's probably --I guess, again, using not
9 Hubbard's term but my own, it's probably the sum total
10 of the techniques, methods, definitions, the
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12 a particular situation.
13 Q. And did you see that term used similarly in
14 the Narconon materials?
15 A. "Technology"? I don't recall, just because
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1 7 Q. That's fme, if you don't recall.
18 A. Yeah, I don't... I could very quickly check
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20 "the tech."
21 Q. "The tech"?
22 A. T-E --T-E-C-H.
23 Q. Okay.
24 A. I'm just looking in the indexes. Well,
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end of each one.
Hand me those two. Thank you.
There's "technical." "Having to do with a
learned procedure or skill."
Q. Uh-huh (affmative).
A. Not quite the same, but it's close. No.
Q. All right. Defendants' Exhibit 26 is book
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1 A. Well, they -- they can pay to take it, but
2 it's also-- "The Way to Happiness" booklet is a
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4 Q. Okay. And what do you mean by that?
5 A. It's another one of these long academic
6 explanations. Back in the early part of the 20th
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8 Hubbard, his name was Elbert Hubbard. Well-known for
9 popularizing of writings and so on. And earliest years
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12 Garcia." This was supposedly a message that a military
13 commander of some sort gave to an underling to take to a
14 person named Garcia, who happened to be a rebel fighting
15 in the jungles. Without question, the individual took
16 the command, and spent two years, found Garcia, gave him
17 the message, and Elbert Hubbard's "Message to Garcia"
18 booklet got reproduced by many, many companies. These
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2 o you get a command, a directive, you should do it. You
21 know, even if it's hard to do, "Look what this soldier
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different things in each of these course books, but as
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MR. HYNES: Sorry to inteiTupt you, but
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Q. Okay.
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MS. KOBRIN: Uh-huh (affirmative).
BY MS. FRANKLIN:
Q. --represents the Church of Scientology in a
number oflegal matters; did you notice whether
Ms. Kobrin was passing Mr. Miller notes during this
deposition?
A. Oh, I did notice she passed quite a number of
notes; I can't tell you how many.
Q. Okay. Thank you, Dr. Kent.
A. Sure. Thank you.
FURTHER EXAMINATION
BY MR. MILLER:
Q. Dr. Kent, just a few more questions.
You checked on the word "teclmology," which is
a Scientology term that's in fairly common use in the
Church of Scientology, to see ifthere's any mention of
that word in the Narconon books, and I think as far as
you can tell that that word is not being used in the
Narconon books?
A. I'd have to go-- it's not in any of the
glossaries that I looked at.
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of the books last night, seeing that term?
A. I don't recall one way or the other. I wasn't
looking for it, so I can't really say.
Q. And the word "Scientology" also does not
appear in these books; is that correct?
A. As far as I know, it doesn't.
Q. And there's no suggestion in these books that
to the extent people have a spiritual aspect to their
lives, that it has to be Scientology versus any other
spiritual aspect?
A. No-- would you mind, sir, ifl saw that green
book for a second?
Thank you. I just want to check, there's
some ...
No, I think we're okay. I was-- let me see.
No, I just remembered, they were in the back
of "The Way to Happiness." There were references to
the -- it looks like the booklet, but I didn't see any
references in the booklet to anything involving
Scientology.
Now, "The Way to Happiness Foundation
International, 201 East Broadway, Glendale, California";
I'm not sure if there's any other Scientology org --if
there's a Scientology organization also at that address.
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1 I know there have been -- Glendale's been a popular
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3 Q. Bottom line is, there's no reference to
4 Scientology in these books that you --
5 A. Not that I' ve seen.
6 Q. Okay. You have never been a Scientologist?
7 A. I-- no.
8 Q. Have you ever gone through any training from
9 the Church of Scientology?
10 A. Any formal training, no. I've been to a
11 number of Scientology meetings.
12 Q. But you've never --
13 A. No.
14 Q. -- trained as a Scientologist?
15 A. I've never trained as a Scientologist.
1 6 Q. Have you practiced any religious discipline in
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18 A. I have. I'd like to keep those issues
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20 Q. Let me just ask if at the present time you
21 practice any religious discipline?
22 A. No.
23 Q. Can you tell me approximately how many years
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2 year 2000, probably a bit earlier.
3 Q. But in terms of any formal study ofthe Church
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6 with anyone from the Church of Scientology?
7 A. I've not been through any of the courses. As
8 I said, I' ve been through events and interviewed
9 Scientologists, but no courses.
10 Q. Okay. But basically your knowledge of
11 Scientology comes from reading materials and then your
12 own interpretation of those materials, and maybe a
13 conversation or two with people who are Scientologists?
14 A. Yes. I'd say more than -- more than a
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23 A. That's right.
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MS. FRANKLIN: I don't mean to interrupt
you, but I j ust think for purposes of the
record we need to -- is this Sean?
MR. HYNES: It's me.
MS. FRANKLIN: Okay. We just want to
put on the record that you're back.
(Thereupon, Mr. Hynes is present via
telephone.)
MR. MILLER: So is --
MR. HYNES: I'm back, and my car got
booted, so I'm still in the garage, but I
can't come back up there.
THE WITNESS: Oh, my God.
MR. MILLER: Holy smokes. --
MR. HYNES: So --
MR. MILLER: -- What happened?
MR. HYNES: -- carry on.
MR. MILLER: Sorry.
THE WITNESS: He's awfully calm about
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Q. So students are encouraged to go look up the
word or figure it out for themselves?
A. Yes, sir; there's a very -- I think usually,
if not always, at least in books, a glossary of words
that people might have trouble with. And also they're
encouraged to look in various dictionaries. And there
are -- there are specific Scientology dictionaries in
addition to ordinary English language ones.
Q. And, generally speaking, the training routines
are to help people become better communicators?
A. That's what Scientology claims.
Q. Have you evaluated professionally -- I mean,
can you offer expertise on communication skills?
A. I can't.
Q. Or on what can assist people in the
interpersonal relationships?
A. No.
Q. Or what can help people's self image or make
them feel better about themselves?
A. No, sir, I can't.
Q. I mean, those are not areas that you're going
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1 A. No.
2 Q. So whether the training routines help people
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4 in a more positive way, you don't have an opinion one
5 way or the other?
6 A. I don't have an opinion one way or the other.
7 Q. And dealing with life's ups and downs, that
8 type of issue, you're not an expert on how people deal
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10 life?
11 A. I'm not a -- I don't study the sociology of
12 emotions, so ...
13 Q. Okay. And whether the "Ups & Downs" book, for
14 example, helps students deal with stressful life
15 situations, you don't have an opinion one way or the
16 other?
17 A. I don't have an opinion.
18 Q. And the "Conditions" book that discusses
19 students' responsibilities to, say, family, or
20 responsibility to friends, or the responsibility to
21 themselves, perhaps, I mean, again, you wouldn't have
22 any expertise about whether that's effective in
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25 A. I have no opinion.
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6 A. That's my understanding.
7 Q. Right. In other words, it was -- "Respect the
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9 A. Yeah.
10 Q. -- is a principle in that book. "Try not to
1 1 do things to others that you would not like them to do
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13 A. Uh-hub (affirmative).
14 Q. Correct?
15 A. That's true.
16 Q. These would be ...
17 And I may have misspoken. "The Way to
18 Happiness Course," do you know who developed that book?
19 A. I've always assumed it was Mr. Hubbard.
20 There's certainly a Way to Happiness Foundation fixed
21 around it, but I've always -- everything I know is that
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23 Q. Okay. Would it be fair to say that that is
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Q. Do you know if Mr. Hubbard wrote things that
were unrelated to the Church of Scientology?
A. Early on he did, and later in his career there
is a big science fiction book. One was a ten-- a
decalogue, a ten-volume book. Now, to say it's
unrelated to Scientology is generally true, but if one
knows how to read it and one reads certain sections, one
can see some references, some allusions to Scientology,
in there. There's also I think a later single-volume
science fiction book be wrote.
Q. Okay. Going back to these books, there's one
book about learning improvement. You're not an expert
in bow to improve people's ability to learn or --
A. No, sir, I'm not.
Q. --remember things? So, again, whether the
materials in here in the "Learning Improvement Course,"
which is book number 3, whether those are effective or
not in terms of helping people leam, you don't know one
way or the other?
A. I'm not going to make comments one way or the
other.
Q. And same with communications and perception;
you're not an expert in communications or perception,
are you?
A. I'm not, no.
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Q. Or in teaching people personal values and
integrity?
A. I'm going to do my best to stay away from
moral issues if I can.
Q. Okay. So in terms of the substance of these
books -- you can say the opinions you have about that
they parallel things that you see in the Church of
Scientology very closely, or in some cases you think may
be even identical, but in terms of the substance of
whether they are effective or valid, you're not going to
offer opinions one way or the other about that.
A. I'm not going to offer opinions on whether
they're effective or valid.
Q. Right. And I think would you agree that, in
general terms, that any organization that promotes good
moral values, good ethics, people's ability to
communicate effectively, to deal with life's stresses,
those types of things, is generally a positive thing?
A. It's a complicated question. I mean, my ...
Q. Well, let me withdraw the question, because I
think it's probably beyond the scope of what--
A. Fair enough.
Q. --you've come here to testify about.
I think we're done. Dr. Kent, I appreciate
your time. --
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6 A. Okay. Sure enough.
7 Q. Thankyou.
8 A. Thank you.
9 MS. FRANKLIN: Thanks.
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I, the undersigned, STEPHEN ALAN KENT, do
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199:10 125:7;139: 15;154:20; Boy (3)
beyond (10) 156:20;160: 19; 165:23, 35:24;70:20;81: 13
53:16;55: 16;58:2; 23,24;168:5;169: 17, 18, brain (2)
125:22;141 :6; 145: 13; 19,19,20,22,23; 170: 18; 173:13, 13
146:7,9;161: 11;220:21 179:6,12;180: 14;184:4, brainwashing (3)
bias (2) 14; 187:25; 188:2;193:5; 178: 19;180:11 ,16
186:20;187:1 196: 18; 197: 12; 198:1 0; breach (1)
biased (1) 203:25;206:13,17; 92:9
187:3 212: 13;217: 13,18; break (10)
big (5) 218: 10,18;219:4,5, 10,12, 10:11;25:6;67:23;
45: 18; 133:1 0; 145: 16; 17 104: 17; 117:17,23;
201:11;219:4 booklet (12) 143: II ,23; 163:8;169: 16
biggest (1) 21:22;116:7,7;195:19; breakdown (1)
151:8 198: 14,22;207:2,3,18; 152:21
bill (2) 208:5;212:19,20 Bridge (10)
64:25;65:4 booklets (4) 37:22;38:2;43 :21;
billed (1) 26:7; 157:23;209: 16; 101: 10,11;1 03:21; 104:6,
66:1 210:18 7,7;194:14
billing (4) books (102) brief (2)
22: 15;64: 15, 18;65: 10 13: 16; 17: 16;19: 13; 39:9;103: 14
billions (2) 20: 18,21,22,25;21 :4,6,8, briefly (3)
135:19; 151:3 10,12,19;72:3,7,21,22; 35:22;41 :23;93: 1
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155:13 75:2;77:22;92:25;93:2,5, 15: 15; 17:25; 113:5;
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154:18;156:25 116:16;117:9,24;120:21, 196: 17;197:9
bit (17) 24;121 :1 ,2;124:21; 125:2, bringing (2)
16:4;26:2,5;29: 1; 13,23;126:7;133:5;135:7, 42:5; 196:21
59: 17;78:2;86:10; 15; 140: 13; 154: 18; brings (1)
105: 13;124:23;135:7; 156:15; 159:24;160: I ,15, 187:3
140: I; 144:1 0;145:24; 24; 161 :1 ,18,24,25; 162:5, Britain (1)
178:9; 188: 1;199:12; 9; 163:23, 25;164: 1; 182:6
214:2 165:12, 13;168:3,6,18; broad (1)
blames (1) 169: 1,24; 170:4,7; 185:15, 161:16
199:3 16; 188:1; 192:5,8, 19; broader (1)
blank (2) 195: 17; 199:22;203:9,15; 107:13
26:17;173:13 205: 19;206:5;207:25,25; broadly (2)
blanket (3) 208: 15,18;210:25; 38:24;48:3
59: 18;80: 11;82:10 211 :21,23;212:2,6,8; Broadway (1)
blanking (1) 213:4;214:25,25;216:7; 212:23
20:1 219:11;220:6 broken (2)
blasting (2) booted (1) 144:6;152:18
115:9;177:13 215:15 brought (6)
Blow (1) bored (1) 113:23;117: 15; 120: 16;
199:6 17:10 176:7; 184:23;197:22
blue (1) borrowed (1) Buddhist (1)
156:20 132:11 123:15
body (10) bon-owing (1) bullbaiting (2)
18:20;73: 1 0;96:2, 5; 160:12 137:2;194:19
105:3;111:13,22;112:2,4; borrowings (2) Bundestag (1)
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184: 11
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42:2;46:7
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37:2,4,9
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111 :23
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42:4;55:2;98: 18;1 03:23;
134:21;208:24;209:6
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19:22;22:25;32: 17,21 ;
36: 14;41:24;42:18;
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95:9;102:17;103:24;
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114:12;116:19,23;
118:17;150:24; 152:1;
156: 11; 180: 15; 181:22;
182:2;184:4, 13; 187: 10;
193:7,9,15;195:8;198: 18;
206: 17;207: 11
calls (2)
65:2;183:3
calm (1)
215:23
Cal-Mag (1)
111:23
came (15)
24: 15,20;26:8;94:25;
95:1;116:10;147:17,20;
149:4; 163: 16;166:20;
181 :21; 182:24; 184: 19;
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23:20;26: 15;27: 10;28:9;
29: 12,15,15,22;34: 10;
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21; 145:4,5, 18,25;156:3;
158: 13, 14,23;162: 1, 19;
163: 10;164:24; 167: 10;
168:11,13;170:4; 174:21;
175:22; 177:24;179: 11;
180:3; 194:1 ;196: 18;
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206: 1,20;207: 1;209: 19;
211 :22;213:23;216: 16,
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10: 17,20,21;21 :4;22: 1,
16;108:21
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10: 18; 100:9
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102: 12,14, 17;1 09:12,
13,16, 17,23; 110: 15;
11 1:7
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32:15;215: 14
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191:3
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171: 10
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219:3
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59: 12;77:4; 161 :6;
203: 18
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56:8,16;210:17
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183:5
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53: 14
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53: 15
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33:4
carry (1)
215:21
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119:10
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119:6,7,8
case (123)
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14:6,8;16:9;20:21;21: I ;
22:5,7;23:7,10, 13, 14;
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33:24;34:6,9, 15;35: 11,
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40:6,21 ;41 :24;42: 10,25;
43:2, 15,20;44:2,21;45:8,
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147: 12;148:4; 157:2,21; 37:14 choice (1)
159:25;161: 14;162: 16; challenge (1) 81:24
164:14;166:9,14; 171 :8,8; 149:21 choose (2)
172: 18,20,21; 173: 10; challenges (1) 94: 1;108:20
174:2,9, 15; 175: 14,21; 149:25 Christianity (I)
176:4,6,7;183:24; 188:22; change (1) 123: 14
189: 1; 194:6,12; 199:24; 102:1 Christmas (1)
201:16, 16,18;204: 13; Changed (5) 32:14
221:5 30:21,21;31 :2;95:24; chuckle (1)
cases (I7) 97:23 173:5
11:14;20:24;33:24; changes (1) Church (82)
37:24;38:5,10, 12;47: 19, 89:25 18: 11; 19:2;28:5,8;
24;75:24;77: 1 ;78:3; Changing (3) 37: 15;42:13;43:25;
86:25; 132:24; 176:3; 73:3;115:2;204:1 52: 19;55:15;59:15;
191:11 ;220:8 chaos (1) 7 1 :22;77:25;78:4;79:9;
cases-that (1) 115:19 82: 12, 14;84: 10,14;89:14;
208:6 chapters (1) 90: 15;99: I 0, 18; 100:2,7;
Cathy (1) 58:7 I 01: I ,22,24; 102:3;106:9,
37:14 characteristics (5) 20; 107: 17; 124: 18; 127:1,
cause (13) 113: 19,20; 198:23,24, 22; 128: 11,21;129:13;
22:2;23: 17;38:24; 25 131 :8,14;132:20;133:2,3;
45:24;69:9;84:5,6; I 07:6; characterize ( 4) 134:8; 137:8,15;138:2;
118:23; 129:25;155:7; 79: 15;80: I ;82:24; 139:21;140:2,22,25;
156:2;173:7 174:17 141 :1 3,22; 142:8;146:13;
cautious (1) characterized (1) 162:2, I 0;165:20; 176: 11;
82:10 176:21 185:5,21; 192: 15,22;
caveat (1) charge (1) 193:7,16; 196:6, 15;
129:25 144:16 198:11,21 ;202:2,20;
caveat-that (1) charged (2) 204:3;206: 15,20;208: 17;
102:10 36:21,24 211 :7,20;213:9;214:3,6;
CD-ROM (1) charges (2) 218:2;219:2;220:7
24:8 37:2,5 circ.les (1)
ceased (1) charging (1) 78:7
213:24 166:8 citation (1)
Celebrity (1) char itable (31) 156:16
146:22 56: 11;61:10, 12,19,25; cite (1)
Center (2) 79:20;80: 11,25;81 :7 , 18; 180:3
37:22;41 :20 83:9,17;85: 22;86:6,22, citing (1)
Center-an (1) 22;87:3;88: 12,16,20; 180:22
151:7 89:2;90:7,9, 12;145: 14; citizen (2)
centers (1) 158: 15,24,24,25;159:7,9 10: 18, 19
151:25 charity (2) Citizens (1)
central (4) 61:3;146: 17 58: 12
83:6;86:7;88:11,18 chart (3) city (3)
century (2) 75: 8,1 1; 110:8 36:6, 11,20
70: 10;207 :7 check (12) Civil (3)
certain (6) 35:4,8;37: 17;40: 14; 8:21 ;35: 11 ;46: 8
12: 14;55:22;56:21; 45:24,25;1 18:13, 14; claim (8)
133:3;173: 12;219:7 144: 13;172:5;205: 18; 23: 18;78: 13;88:23;
certainly (26) 212: 14 96:24; 109: 18; 111 :21;
11: 15; 14: 14; 15:3,2 1; checked (1) 176:13;201:12
17:11;18:20; 19:7;34:5; 211 :18 claimed (6)
36: 17;43:19;47:22; Checkout (1) 44:8,11;56: 13; 100: 15;
60:17;75:25;92: 18; 72:10 112:1;176:9
105: 17; 131:21; 145:15; child (4) claiming (4)
157:9;161 :16;176:22; 36:21;40:21 ;41:3, 12 42:7;43:3;88:8;96: 1
186:5; 196:8;203: 13; children (12) claims (29)
208:1;214: 15;218:20 36:3,24; 114:3;180:21; 79:20;82: 13;83:1 0;
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124:25; 192: 1 15 17, 18,21 ;96:3,4;97: 1;
chair (2) Chilocco (7) 100:1, 11,22;103:25;
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152:6; 154: 16,17, 19,24;
155:2; 156: 19;183: 10;
216:14
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75: 1
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53: 14
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120:6; 192:11
classroom (1)
201:22
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16:23;119: 12;196: 12,
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68:6
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81 :3;85:7; I 05:3,3;
111: 13,13;134: 16,16,20;
142:3; 159: 18; 164:21;
194:9
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47:24;97:9
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193:15
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16:24; 196:24
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81:4;122:8;206:1 2
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26:3
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132:23;220:8
cloud {1)
157:13
coach (1)
193:15
coaster (1)
113:25
codes (2)
138:16,16
coercive (1)
178:19
collapsed (1)
183:18
colleague (1)
178:6
colleagues (1)
178:8
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25:24;26:20
collection (2)
158:7;185:8
collections (2)
27:9;187:25
color (2)
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77:9,9
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172:20;173:2,4,9
comfortable (2)
84:2;106:22
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44:9;86: 19; 150:4
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207:16,20
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207:13
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53: 16;55: 17;146:3;
219:20
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58:13,14
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119:16;123:19
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207:18,19;208:7
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90:5 39:20 124:3; 177: 17;179:25
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62:16;132:3 133:10;135:2 214:13,15
concept (6) consider (4) conversations (2)
17:8;1 04:14;178:20; 63:5;67: 18; 128:11; 155:11;167:16
192:5; 196: 16; 198:7 129:12 convey (1)
concepts (18) considered (1) 207:19
19: 15;20:22;72:6,7; 60:8 cook (1)
77:24,24;83:6,15;85: 10, consist (1) 30:8
24;86:8;88: 11 ;113: 11; 156:3 copied (1)
115:3; 119:1;126:3; consistent (6) 146:22
141:19;191:25 28:22; 125: 14; 140:7, copies (7)
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41: 16;56:20;95:21; consists {1) 170:6; 172:22,24
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concerned (8) constant (2) 36:17
54: 16;60:7;71:9,9; 115:15;156:17 copy (12)
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154:11 89:5 152:24;173 :6,14,18;
concerning (1) consult (3) 174: 1; 178:24; 179:4;
11:10 21:24;39: 15;40:7 182:4
concerns (3) consultation (1) copyright (5)
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concluded (3) Consultations (1) 24
94: 17;125:24;221: 10 35:14 copyrighted (1)
conclusion (1) consulted (6) 70:16
94:9 13:8;21: 16,18;24:3,5; copyrights (2)
conclusions (3) 46:23 58:10;98:14
141:21;177:20;180: I consulting (7) core (2)
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115:2,21;200:10; 179:17;185:11,16 corner (1)
204:10 contact (1) 18:3
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204: 1,5,5,6,8,9, 14,20; 22:7,20,22;47:8;64: 16, corrected (1)
205:3;217: 18 24;182:6,9 49:13
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155:9 161:9 17: 15;45: 16;55:23;
conference (1) contained (1) 112:21;119:18
23:5 13:9 counsel (8)
confidential (2) contains (1) 8: 11;21 :7;40: 15;75: 12;
91:12;92:7 110:14 167:4,6,7, 11
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63:24;92: 10 101:22;128:22 30:9;31:23
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10:24;29:4 87:13,13;95:13; 46:20;47:3
confirming (1) 112:12;131:5,6;196:8 counted (1)
21:13 contents (3) 46:19
confront (1) 114:9; 145: 19; 182:5 counter-intention (1)
217:3 context (12) 134:21
connected (3) 38:21;80:8; 127:7; countersued (1)
28:8;52: 19;71:16 132: 12,12;136: 19; 37:7
connection (9) 149: 19;154: 14;160: 10; countersuit (1)
20:20;68:22;72: 1 1; 165:19;200:1 ;204: 10 37:8
85: 10;86:5; 127: 15; continues (1) country (1)
141: 15;153:2;175:8 43:8 95:22
connections (3) contracted (1) couple (18)
131:4; 157:24;191 :24 66:24 25:25;30:5;33:23;68:7;
consciences (1) contrary (3) 103:3; 134: 17; 135: 14;
127:10 138:4;139:13,14 149: 19; 153: 10;163:20;
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184:8;188:11;193:4;
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68:22;70:2;71:21,25;
72: 1,23;73:4,12,16;
78:23;79:4,7,25;80: 12,
12;82:23;83 :3,5;85: 11;
93:6;96:6;98:17,23;
103:22; 112: 10,20;
113:10;114:12,24;116:6;
117:5; 118:3;121 :24;
135:6; 136:22; 137:6;
142:7;154:20;159: 19;
169:5;187:2;191:18;
193:6,6,8, 10;195: 17;
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209:21;210:9, 12;214:5;
218:18;219:16
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94:22; 102:7,8;116: 18;
133:9;136: 12; 138: 13;
140: 13;144: 19;194:23;
196:3;200:22;203 :9;
210:25;214:7,9
court (34)
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130: 12; 136:24;139: 19;
147: 19; 168:8;176:2
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130:6
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72:21 ;97:3; 122:22,24;
125:6,8;160:8
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60: 18;163:6;164:3;
167:9
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94:20
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118:22;151:9
creativity (1)
116:23
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118:6;1 19:17
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credentials (3)
186:10, 13,13
criminals (1)
96:12
Criminon (2)
96:9,10
Crisis (1)
150:25
critic (2)
127:22,24
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44:6,8;47:10, 12,21,25;
48:3,8,16, 17;69: 12, 15;
128:2; 141: 13;177:19;
187:8
criticism (5)
47: 16; 139:21 ;181:17;
188:21;203:5
.criticisms (8)
179:21; 183:16; 188:25;
189:3; 194:20;200: 19;
20 I :25 ;202 :2
criticize (1)
202:18
criticized ( 4)
183:20,22;184:1;
187:24
criticizing (2)
202:3,17
critics (2)
43:7,9
critics-I (1)
38:5
Critique (1)
180:11
critiques (1)
181:2
Cross (1)
81:10
crucial (5)
14:6; 17:8;48: 14;
180:24;181:20
cult (15)
174:18,21 ;175:2,6,9,
11,19,24;176:3, 7,13;
183:17 ,20,23; 184:5
cults (1)
184:12
curious (2)
12:20;25:16
current (3)
11:1 ;53: 12; 159:10
currently (1)
116:23
custody (3)
36:2,4;43:2
CV(7)
10:23,25;28: 17;29:25;
48: 18; 171 :25;172:2
Cynthia (1)
175:18
l\1in-U-Script@
145: 15;146:15 11,12;44:17
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declared (2) dependency (1)
199:16,19 51:5
daily (3)
dedicated (1) depends (2)
54: 14; 102: 19; 107:3
207:25 127:2; 155:23
damaged (1)
deemed (1) depose (2)
133:9
79:19 162:25;164:24
damaging (1)
defendant (1) deposed (8)
202:11
69:12 42:25;43: 14,23;44:22;
dangling (1)
defendants (1) 45:22;46:2,9;75:3
33:3
8:5 deposition (33)
date (13)
Defendants' (18) 8:4,13, 16, 18,20; I 0:22;
11:1 ,5;45:24;59: 13;
8:2;57:25;72: 15,18; 16:5;23:25;35:1 ;44:20;
64:21,22;65: 16;66:1;
1 03:6;123:1 ;143:19; 59:5;68:4,14;75:6;77:7;
79:6;91 :4;134:23;172:1;
147:3;163:14;169:11; 122: 12;123:4;130:4,11;
207:11
171: 18; 173:22; 191: 19; 149:11; 150:22;159: 19;
dates (2)
196:4,1 0;198:9;203:25; 167:6; 169: 14;170:2;
22:17;168:21
206:13 172: 15;173:6,9;174:1,6;
David (4)
Defense (1) 209:9;211: 10;221: 10
100:11,13;177:4;182:3
58:15 depositions (12)
Dawson (5)
defer (3) 24:8,12;68:9, 18,20,24;
177:22; 178: 1; 180:8;
53: 19;99: 15; 105:14 110: 17; 148: 16; 166: 16;
181:6;187:24
detine (3) 172:17 ,23; 193:20
Dawson's (2)
78:17,18;210:1 dcprogrammcd (2)
180: 15; 188:4
defined (2) 176:10,14
day (5)
42:20;119:18 deprogramming (1)
26:4,4;41 :6;69:4; 126:2
definite (1) 183:25
days (6)
137:8 describe (2)
36:18, 19;96:24; 126:18,
definition (1) 13:20;72:23
19;156:6
80:1 described (1)
day-to-day (1)
definitions (3) 176:17
99:14
78: 19; 192:1 ;205: 10 describes (1)
dead (1)
definitive (2) 197:13
67:11
137:22; 159:18 descriptions (1)
deal (5)
definitively (1) 204:14
145: 16;200:24;21 7:8,
110:22 designated (1)
14;220:17
degree (2) 9:19
dealing (2)
30:1;200:8 desire (1)
217:7;218:4
degrees (3) 119:1
deals (1)
30: 16;31 :1 7;130: 17 desk (1)
117:6
Delgado (5) 18:3
death (2)
69: 12; 188: 19; 189:2,4, Desmond (5)
69:9;122:6
23 67: 19;69:4;74:22;
debate (3)
demanded (1) 111:6;148:15
78:22;1 81:4,7
62:15 Desmond's (1)
debates (1)
demo (2) 110: l1
183:22
119:13;121:9 destroy (2)
decades (1)
Demonstrate (3) 118:23;134:24
93:14
119: 13,20;121:8 destroyed (1)
decalogue (1)
demonstrated (1) 118:24
219:5
151:19 destroying (1)
December (1)
demonstrations (1) 151:3
29:11
196:22 destructive (1)
decide (2)
denies (1) 151:20
101:21;170:5
43:7 detail (1)
decided (3)
Dennis (4) 45:12
44:5;65: 12;130:8
37:23,25;43: 19,20 details (3)
decision (26)
dental (1) 37:1 ;91:14;92:7
40: 10;56:8,12,14,15,
46:4 determine (8)
20,22;59:24;60:5,11;
Denver (1) 19:7;53: II; 158:22;
78:14,14;80:8, 11, 15, 17,
46:3 159: 13; 168:22; 181:7;
20;81:3,5;82:3;85:8;
department (7) 185:19;215:3
87:6;89:18;90:10;
30: 13,15;31 :9;33:10, determining (1)
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detoxification (5)
73:8,17;111 :14;112:6;
157: 14
develop (1)
202:12
developed (5)
42: 19;96: 1 ;111:17;
151:10;218:18
Development (4)
188: 19;189:2,4,24
dialogue (1)
146:12
Diana (1)
45:10
Dianetics (6)
18:7;44:3; 149: 15;
156:6;207:24,25
dictionaries (2)
216:9,10
dictionary (3)
17:14;112:16;215:3
died (2)
69:4;171:9
difference (2)
86:16; 195:18
differences (2)
62:13,17
different (26)
13: 13;29:2;31 :5;59:25;
65:5;70:19;78: 19;85:25;
95:11, 12; 101:18;107:6;
129:6; 134:3; 135:3;
138: 15; 141:8;155: 18;
174:20; 179: 14; 180: 16;
187: 17,22;192: 18;
195:16;208:15
difficult (1)
78:12
dimension (3)
121: 19;124:2; 137:9
dimensions (3)
37: 18;111: 18;129:6
dinner (1)
25:6
direct (6)
39: 14;72: II ;78:3;
94:21;142: 12;194: 17
direction (6)
104: 16; 114:7;139:6;
141 :5;159: 16; 195:25
directions (1)
146:25
directive (1)
207:20
directives (1)
194:15
directly (7)
80: 13;94:22,23;
124:25;139: 13;161:10;
200:9
director (1)
185:7
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disagree (3)
61:15,20;87:4
disagreements (1)
187:17
discipline (3)
213:16,21,25
disclosing (1)
27:20
disclosure (1)
28:21
disconnect (1)
201:2
Discord (1)
184:5
discourage (2)
209:25;210:23
discovery (5)
8:6,9,19; 148: 17; 168:15
discuss (5)
121: 16; 147: 16;188:23;
192: 13;208: 16
discussed (11)
37: 18;43:5,6;50: 12;
58:5;122: 16; 146: 13;
160: 19;161 :20; 164:3;
208:14
discusses (3)
198:14;200:6;217:18
discussing ( 4)
154: 15;161 :6;176:19;
195:24
Discussion (22)
9: 10;23:25;42: 17;50:6;
77:20;99:3,4;147:23;
150:24;152: 16;160: 14;
161: 12;163: 12; 170: 15;
189: 14; 195:1;196: 11;
201 :6;203: 1;209:7, 13;
216:2
discussions (4)
50:1; 146:24;192:25;
201:17
disparage (2)
113:16;119:7
dispense (2)
145:4, 5
dispute (10)
34: 12;36:2;51 :5;62:4;
82: 17;97:3; 111 :8,9;
159:25; 185:20
disputes (2)
59: 14,18
disrupted (1)
201: 13
dissemination (1)
207:3
dissertation (2)
32:13,1 5
dissuaded (2)
194:18,19
distinction (1)
61:4
distractions (1)
Min-D-Script®
194:21 25: 12 151:13
distress (1) doubt (2) drugs (24)
217:9 64:17;1 15:22 96:21; 111:22;1 13:1,2;
divide (1) down (22) 131 :23;133:22;135: 11,
127:4 12:4;26:2;40:20;64: 19, 17, 18;136:3; 138:3;140:9,
divorce (1) 20; 104: 17;113 :23; 9; 146:24; 148:9; 150:25;
43:2 115:10,13,16, 17;117: 13; 154: 13,22; 157:4; 197:9;
doctor (3) 120:9;132:11,14;137:3; 209: 13;210: 1,14,18
49:9,18; 195:3 144:6; 151: 19;152: 18; drugs' (2)
doctoral (1) 194:11 ;210:5, 25 151:21;209:24
32:19 Downs (5) Dual (1)
doctorate (1) 19:13;113:10; 198:10; 10:19
31:7 217:7,13 duly (1)
doctrines (5) Dr (52) 9:12
126:11; 136: 18; 140: 14; 8:5;9:6,16;28: 19;40:2; during (7)
201:21 ;204:6 46:5;47:4;49:17,20;50:9; 25: 11;30:7;33: 12;75:6;
document (31) 56:24;59: 1 0;63: 17;68:6; 143:23; 169:16;211 :9
22: 18,20;23:22;41: 14; 75:8;79:22;83: 11 ;87:15, dynamic (20)
57 :2;59:2;75: 14;76: 10, 17,22;93:25;103: 16; 118:3,5,17,17,18,21,25;
11, 14;77:6;81 :1, 1,2,4; 117:23;121 :3;122:20; 119:2,13,15,15,16,20,23;
1 03:17;104:3;1 05:6; 123:5; 130:2;134:6; 120:4,11,13;121:10, 12;
108:21; 110: 1;116: 12; 143:23; 147:22;148: 14; 122:15
144: 13; 153:9, 13, 14,22; 157: 1; 169: 16; 170: 19; dynamics (9)
159: 1; 171: 16;173:8; 174:7,15;177:22;178:1; 116:20,20; 119:23;
208:3;218:3 179:24; 181 :6;182:22; 120: 17; 121 : 11 , 17, 18;
documentation (1) 183: 14; 185:2;189: 17,22; 160:19;161:9
97:1 190:9; 191: 17;209: 11;
documented (1) 21 1:2,13,17;220:24 E
182:21 draft (8)
documents (64) 7 1:6, 11, 12;89: 13, 17, earlier (24)
13:8,18,22,23; 14: 1,9; 17;90: 1; 159:3 14:8;28:20;46: 14;
24:2;27:2,9;38:6,7,8; drafting (1) 59:24;60:18,21 ;73: 14;
55:21;68:9;70: 1;73: 18; 62:20 83:22;89: 12, 17;93:1, 10;
75:23,24;79: 1 0;85 :9; draw (1) 95:18;104:5;112: 11;
88:3;101:3,4,13;103 :9; 201:22 120:20; 153: 16;157: 17;
104:21; I 05:3,5,21 ;106:2, drawing (2) 169:22;180: 13,18;
3;108: 15,20;109:5,8,9; 61:4;173:12 188:20;211:3;214:2
110:5, 19,23;141: 18; drawn (1) earliest (3)
142:15, 17,20,22;143: 14, 180: I 38: 16;207:9,25
24,25;144:7; 148: 1; drew (2) early (19)
152:1 1 ;155:2,3;157: 19, 94:22,23 38:1 5,1 7;95:8,9,14;
22;158: 1,3,7,8,9;160: 11; drift (2) 96:23;98:22;116: 11;
164:5;191 :25;210:22,23 192:24,24 126: 17,17, 19;133:8;
dollars (1) drill (5) 134: 15; 147: 15;156:6,13;
135:19 196:12,14; 197:14,20, 207:6,24;219:3
done (33) 25 easier (2)
13: 12; 18:24;33: 18, 19, drink (1) 100:21;199: 12
23;34:3;49: 18,21;5 1: 10, 111:23 East (1)
11,13,20,21;71:14;79:6; drinking (2) 212:23
86: 14,18;99:21 ;130:24; 210:4,6 easy (4)
133: 12; 144:5; 156:5,9; dropped (1) 15:25;19:7;21: 1;
157:9;159:6,11;185: 11, 37:2 117:12
16; 186:6; 188:8; 189:8; drove (2) edition (1)
197:17;220:24 26:3;32:16 179:7
door (1) drug (26) editors (1)
43:11 48:20,22;49:4;50: 17' 188:4
dorm (1) 22;51 :4;54:4;96:5,6; Edmonton (6)
31:22 97:5; 101 :23; 105:24; 10:16;32:1 6;35:11;
dosage (1) 112: 1,3; 123:25; 131:24; 36:6,10;65:21
111:24 133: 10; 135: 13,20; 151:2, Education (4)
doses (1) 10,13,24; 153:4;154:2; 37: 15;53:5;57:22;
95:25 210:23 58:16
double-check (1) drug-free (1) educational (1)
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EEOC (4)
41: 19;42:9,10;43:21
effect (7)
12: 14; 112:5,6; 11 8:4;
126: 13;128:4;214:25
effective (9)
49:3,3, 6;50:21;51: 1;
217:22;219:17;220: 10,13
effectively (1)
220:17
effectiveness (2)
154:2,7
effects (1)
210:4
efficacy (1)
150:10
effort (4)
100: 15; 1 06:8;135:22;
164:6
efforts (1)
119:4
eg (1)
58:8
eight (6)
16: 14,14;27:4;47: 1;
116:20;117:3
eighth (11)
118:5;119: 15, 15, 16,20;
120: 13;121 : II ,12, 16,18;
122:15
EIIU (1)
36:11
either (8)
61:8;91:20;92:24;
115:4;159:13; 172:24;
182:8;201:18
Elbert (5)
207:8, 17,23;208: 1 ,1
element (4)
79: 12;82: 15;99:6;
151:20
else (27)
8:22;11:4;13:3;21:16;
23:2;27:7;28: 14;34: 10;
37: 19;43:5;51:9,17, 18;
72: 10;93: 19;118:15;
121:4,23;123 :7;159:20;
160:2,22,25; 162:4;
165: 16;187:23;221 :3
E-mailed (1)
11:20
E-mails (1)
27:17
embrace (1)
79:7
embraces (1)
119: 18
emotional (1)
217:9
emotions (1)
217:12
emphasis (2)
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17:13;136:13
employ (1)
46:4
employed (1)
32:12
employee (1)
45:19
employees (3)
42:7;207:19;208:8
employer (1)
46:5
encompass (1)
123:14
encompassed (1)
143:25
encourage (3)
124: 1; 138:9; 139:3
encouraged (3)
215:2;216:4,9
encouraging (I)
217:23
encyclopedia (1)
215:1
end (7)
12:2; 101:6;115:8;
167:5; 179: 14;206:4, 7
enemy(2)
115:22;200:2
energy (1)
113:24
Enforcement (1)
58:14
engage (2)
140: 10;201:14
engaged (3)
139: 12; 151:22;214:5
England (1)
40:21
English (1)
216: 11
enjoy (1)
127:8
enjoying (1)
31:2
enough (10)
25:24;52:20; 140:22;
141:1 0, 18;150: 13;
159: 18;180:23;220:22;
221:6
enter (4)
99:22;101 :6;102:11;
156:12
entered (2)
89:14;170:1
Enterprises (1)
41:25
entire (2)
73:25;206: 17
entirely (5)
37:20;48: 13; 111:2;
170:22;173:3
entities ( 6)
58:4,12,20,21 ;59: 14,22
Min-L'-Script®
entitled (3) 116: 19;127: 18;128:3; exchanges (3)
118:2; 149: 14;180: 10 130:25;140:11;141 :5; 184:3; 193: 14;194:22
entries (1) 142:11 ;146: 14; 148:17; exclusively (2)
77:3 156: 12; 158: 19;160:25; 152:1,2
environment (2) 171:11; 186:23; 194:23; excuse (3)
199:1;208:13 202:9;204: 18;207:21; 28:25; 131 :25;144:21
envision (1) 220:9 exemption (1)
133:7 events (7) 82:5
equivalent (1) 17:23,24;69:3;113:4,4; exercises (7)
180:19 195:7;214:8 28:4;71 :21;72: 1 ;96: 12;
era (1) eventually (7) 98:23;137:7;142:7
107:15 33:16;36:25;37: 1;95:6; Exhibit (110)
erasers-to (1) 96:3;120: 18; 173:19 8:2;10:22;11:6;12:6,
16:24 everybody (3) 17; 13:9, 19;21: 17;23:21;
Erlich (4) 134: 18;170:10; 189:18 24:2;26:21 ;27:20;28: 15,
37:23;38:1 ;43:19,20 everything's (2) 20,24,25;29:16,21,22;
error (I) 172:6,8 34:3, 12;35:4,8;52:3;
122:3 everywhere (I) 57:25;58:22;59:3;62:4;
especially (5) 25:15 68:1 0;69:21; 70:2;71; 3,8,
31 :8; 156:5; 180:21; evidence (8) 18, 19;72: 13,15,18;77:7'
194:5,13 61: 19;88:7;106: 10,12, 23;92:24;94:20; 103:6, 16;
essays (3) 15;11 1:5;137:22;156:18 104:3,20; 105:6,11;
184:20,24;187:25 evidenced (1) 111:10;122:12,21;123:1,
essence (3) 208:18 3; 142:16;143: 19,25;
16: 13;41:13;179: 10 evolved (I) 144:4,6,8,16,24; 145:8, II;
essentially (2) 96:22 146:11,21;147:4,6,11,14;
17:17;134:25 ex (1) 148:5,14;149:3;150: 15,
cstablislt (I) 30:24 20; 152:21,22; 157:12;
187:15 exact (7) 158:8; 159:21 ;163 :7, 14;
established (1) 81 :4;91 :4;94:5,6; 164:4,6,8, 16,18; 166:4;
46:14 132:24; 134:22;20 1:20 168:5;169:11, 18, 18, 19,
Estatt; (1) exactly (11) 20,23; 170: 17; 171: 18,20;
42:13 22:8;38: 11 ,13;87:6; 172:2,9,9,16; 173:17,22,
estimate (1) 92:17;117:13;132:22; 24;196:4,11;197:1;198:9;
26:15 136: 14; 160:6;204:2; 203:25;206:13
estimation (1) 205:4 exhibits (9)
96:10 EXAMINATION (5) 103:4; 108:6; 143:24;
et (2) 9: 14; 17: 18; 188: 17; 144: 15; 169:8,17,22;
124:25;192:1 190:7;211: 15 170:13;191: 19
ethic (1) examined (1) exist (11)
136:9 9:12 109:9; 129:2; 132:1;
ethical (10) example (27) 141: 19' 19' 19; 154: 1;
138:10,15, 19,21,24; 14:2,1 0;31: 13;58: 12; 155:3,3,5;205:5
139: 14;140:10;161 :7,8; 60:11 ;65: 13;79:2;80: 1 0; existence (4)
218:5 91: 19; 100:9;108:23; 65:20; 116:20;119: 16;
etltics (24) 109:6;121 :9;123:20; 195:23
63:22;122: 17;135:4,5, 131 :22; 136: 13; 138:23; existing (2)
13,23; 136:5,5,6,8,15, 16, 139:15, 17; 140:9;156:2; 94:21;140:13
20; 138:8,13;192:25; 165: 16;177:22; 196: 18; exists (2)
202:5,7,8,10,14,18; 201 :23;210:3;217: 14 14:4;43:7
208: 11;220:16 examples (8) exited (1)
evaluate (1) 126: 1,8,9; 162:5,12; 209:8
154:7 165: 14;166:1 ;21 0:5 expanding (1)
evaluated (1) except (2) 136:11
216:15 8:14;34:14 expect (1)
evaluating (1) exception (2) 152:12
98:17 123:5; 160:18 expectation (1)
even (39) excerpts (2) 105:23
16:23;19: 18;24:7; 108:18;109:4 expel (2)
26: 13;34:24;42: 16;48:7; excess (2) 96:5; 112:3
53:13,13, 15;62: 14;66:22; 210:2,6 experience (3)
72:6;85:8;88: 1 0;90:25; excess' (1) 48:20,22; 194:22
91 :3;98:20;101:9; I 09: 1; 210:3 experienced (2)
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expert (32)
9:20;27:21,24;28:23;
40:19,25;41:2, 10;50: 13;
53:21 ,24;54: 1 ;62:23,25;
82:9;86:2;89:7;97:4,5;
106:6; 123:19;125: 17;
129: 11;130: 17; 141: 12;
174:9; 175:25;176:2;
183:23;217:8;219:12,23
expertise (7)
107:7; 154:7;157:8;
159: 12;186: 14;216: 16;
217:22
experts (1)
40:22
explain (11)
12:6;28:6; 165:18;
194:25; 198: 19;200: 12;
20 I: 17;202:6;204:8;
208: 18;209:25
explanation (I)
201:21
explanations (2)
201:10;207:6
explore (2)
81 :6; 161:22
explosion (1)
152:17
exposed (1)
17:3
express (2)
189:1,3
extensive (1)
151:22
extensively (1)
75:25
extent (5)
29:21;83: 15;104: 10;
122:14;212:9
externally (2)
201 :7;202: 19
extra (1)
24:12
F
facility-is (1)
151:8
fact (12)
20: 16;61: 12;93:21;
102: 13;107: 12; 123:20;
128:2; 135:17;157: 13;
184:9, 10,10
FACTNET(1)
38:3
factor (1)
27:14
factors (1)
112:18
facts (1)
186:18
faculty (3)
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fail (1)
201:2
fails (1)
119:23
fair (33)
10:9,1 0;27:23;32:23;
37: 18;43:6,12;47: 14;
52:20;54: 18;66: 12;
79: 15;80:4;83 :2;96: 18;
120:23;124:14;133:24;
139: 16,22; 141: 1, 10;
147:21; 150:13,15;165:3;
177: 14; 179:24;187:21;
199: 15;217:24;218:23;
220:22
fair-gamed (2)
43:4;44:9
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18:1 0;52:20;70: 10, 12,
14;95:16; 106:16;110:2;
Ill : 19;124: 13;164:4;
175:3; 177: 12;204:7;
21 1:19
fairness (1)
82:22
faith (1)
154:24
familiar (7)
72:9;73: 10; I 01: 12;
123: 19; 193:23; 196: 12;
197:16
familiarity (1)
69:25
family (4)
44:5;1 16:23;204: 19;
217:19
far (40)
11 :5,16; 12:3;23:20;
27: 10;34:4,13;43: 18,23;
45:6,22;51:11,24;54: 16;
60:6;62:25;71 :8,9;78: 14;
79: 1,5, 10, 14;80:23;
82: 14;90:25;99:23;
110:2;125:21;129:16,18;
139:6;140: II ; 172:6, 14;
181 :3; 185:4,9;211 :21;
212:7
farther (1)
98:4
fashion (1)
168:11
fast (1)
46:1
fates (1)
116: 14
fatter (1)
152:21
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112:2
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187:12
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116:21 57: 19;85: 17; 102:2; follows (1)
FedEx (2) 121 :21; 135:6;156:25; 9:13
26:3,3 162: 1,5, 12;165: 13; follow-up (2)
fee (7) 175:23;201 :19;207:22 189:13;190:9
52:24;53: I ;54: 19,25; finding (1) footnotes (3)
55:3,3;70:16 158:2 179:8,8,14
feel (9) findings (1) Force (3)
50:12, 16;56: 18;120:5, 155: I 7 60: 12;78:25; 180:17
14; 135:9,9, 10;216:22 finds (1) Force' (1)
feels (2) 113:25 180: 12
45:24; 150:23 fine (11) forces (1)
fell (1) 12:2,4; 16:7;57: 13, 14; 78:21
41:13 67:24; 108:5; 122: 11; foresee (3)
fellow (4) 182:17;188: 13;205: I 7 129: 16,19; 159:15
32: 18,20,25;151 :22 finish (2) for-example (1)
fellowships (1) 44:20;87: 18 201:17
32:8 finished (4) forget (4)
felt (2) 25:7;32: 13;51 :8;87:20 I 5:4,14;115: 18;134:22
95:5;114:17 firm (1) forgetting (2)
festscbrift (2) 194:9 51:13;117:3
184:20,21 first (26) Forgive (1)
few (14) 9:12;22:7,24;30:22; 144:9
28: 18;36: 18, 19;46:9; 31 :22;35: 13;43:24;59: 1; forgot (1)
52:7;56:18;57: 18;99:4; 64: 16,23,24;66:8;80: 16; 73:3
117: 11;142: 17;143: 17; 85:6;93:8, 16;97:9; forgotten (1)
167:6;209:3;211:17 104: 18; Ill: 1 0,19; 151 :4; 120:21
fiction (2) 164:8; 178:25;181 :19; form (18)
219:4,10 190:10;193:5 8: 14;24: 14;90:3;
field (4) fit (1) 108: 11; 133:25;142: 1 ,25;
156:2,12;157:8;177: 1 192:14 160:4; 161: 15; 162: 17;
Fifth (1) fits (5) 165:9;191 :7; 196:21;
117: 1 135:21; 139:1; 192:21; 199:17;202:21;203:11;
fighting (1) 194:2; 198:20 206:22,23
207:14 five (3) formal (6)
figure (5) 46:25; 1 I 1 :20;210:5 44:25;45: 1,5;213: 10;
22:22; 158: 19,23; fiX (1) 214:3,5
175:22;216:5 194:10 formalities (1)
figured (1) fixed (1) 8: I I
68:20 218:20 formation (1)
figures (1) Flag (1) 151:25
96:23 42:14 formed (1)
file (11) flat (2) 24:6
11 :9,24;12: 17;13:5; 86:12;102:1 former (2)
57:7; 104: I 9; 109:9; flew (2) 38:5;214:16
110:11,14;148:15;157:20 44:14,19 forms (2)
filed (2) flexibility (1) 49: 12; 196:22
9:18;88:5 44:18 forth (1)
flies (7) flip (3) 134:13
13: 14;25:25;26: 1,20; 142:24;153:10;193:3 forward (2)
65: 14;87:8; 183:20 Florida (I) 19:23;120:16
final (21) 171:8 foul-ups (1)
31:25;62:7,9, 14, 17; fly (2) 200:9
76:22;80: 17;81 :5;82: 18; 44:20;46:1 found (11)
85:9;89:24;90:2,17;91 :5, focus (4) 14:6,24;38: 16;48:5;
11,12,15;92:22;136:9; 29: 13;30:2 I ,22;31 :4 59: 12;60:21;95:3;
159:4;184: 15 focused (2) 170:20;204:23 ;205:4;
fmally (3) 17:23;92: 1 207:16
132: 10;152: 14; 158: 16 follow (3) Foundation (4)
financial {I) 63:23,25;114:18 58: 19,19;212:22;
166:7 followed (3) 218:20
find (21) 91 :20; 129: 14;203:22 foundational (1)
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136:9
founder (4)
18:6,11;19:2; 148:6
four (1)
46:25
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116:25;151:18
frame (3)
88: 4;98:9; 107:15
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87: 18;90:3;93:23;
103: 13; I 08:11; 117:9,1 4,
17; 122:23; 133:25; 142: 1;
143:9,15;156:22;160:4;
161: 15;162:17; 165:7,9;
168: 13,19,24;169:2,5;
170: 11;188: 13;189:9,12,
16; 190:8,15,18, 19;
191: 13; 195:2;200:3;
203:7,24 ;206:24 ;208 :25;
209:10;211:4,6;215:5,9,
25;221:9
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183:7
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58 :20; 1 04:6;203 :21
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217:20
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94:20;117: 10;121 :2;
122:22,24; 125:6,8;
184:15
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115: 12
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22
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184:22
gaps (1)
98:11
garage (2)
43: 11;215:15
Garcia (5)
207:12,14, 16,17,22
gate (1)
103:24
gateway (1)
103:24
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173:9;174: 1;207: 13,16
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130:16
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22:8;33:22;42:16
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18:20;53: 16;69:25;
102:21; 1 03:2;104: 14;
131:19,21; 132:9;133:21;
138:2; 143:4;220:15
genemlities (1)
199:4
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175:4;191 :18;193: 13;
194: 1; 198:19;200:12;
202:6;216:12;219:6;
220:18
generated (3)
13:5;153: 10;218:2
gentleman (3)
53: 14;95:2; 176:9
gently (1)
198:5
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136:2
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24:24;28:7;29:9;52: 19;
54: 18;55:6;61: 18,24;
63: 12,15;66:16,1 9;67: 18;
69: 15;72:23;83: 13,14, 19,
21 ;84: 16;85:19;86:3;
87:7,23 ;88 :4,8, I 0;92 :3;
99:6,9, 14,17,24,25;100:1,
25;101 :15;102:20;
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109: 14;110:12, 17; 111 :2;
128: 13,23;129: 14;
139:21 ;146:7;150:7,9;
159:13;190:1
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142:6;159:7
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184:11, 15,17, 20
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184:11,23
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197:22 greater (1)
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64: I ;80:2;90: 11; greatly (1)
108: 18;1 09:23; 172:16,17 132:1
gives (4) green (1)
19:23;86:23; 194: 14; 212:12
201 : I 0 grew (1)
giving (2) 134:23
52:6;175:25 grounds (2)
glanced (1) 46:7;88:6
68:13 group (5)
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212:23 181:22;200:19
Glendale's (1) groups (9)
213:1 70:9,11,20;177:2;
global (1) 180: 16; 184: 13;185: 12,
135:1 17;203: 18
glossaries (1) guarantee (1)
211:25 63:23
glossary (3) guess (10)
206:4;215: 1 ;216:7 22:22;34:1 ;37:20;
goal (3) 46:19;82:9;117:25;
133:21 ;134: 15,24 179:23; 180: 13;187: 15;
God (11) 205:8
90:25; 180:21 ;181:23; guideline (1)
182:2,4,7 ,8,9, 14,15; 202:1
215:17 gun (1)
goes (18) 45:15
48: 12;53:2,3,3,4,6,7;
54: 19,20,20;95: I ;115: 13; H
133: 13; 145:1; 151 :6;
196:3; 199:3,8 H-A-L-A-H-H-M-1 (1)
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32:3;41 :6,7;72: 19, 19; half (1)
85: 15;98:6; 120:5,14; 25:10
134:12;145:25;173:19, hammered {1)
19;180:23;181 :2;200:2; 41:6
220:15,16 hand (3)
goodness (2) 173 :8;194: 12;206:8
117:8;166:6 handicapped (1)
Gordon (7) 30:9
185:2, 3,4,23; 186:13, handle (3)
20,24 42:20;110:9;201 :1
government (8) handled (2)
59: 11,22;60:2,3,7; 132:8;191:10
82:25;89:4; 184:15 handles (1)
governments (1) 191:9
20:5 Handling (1)
grab (1) 200:5
103:13 happen (1)
gradient (2) 33:25
17:3,6 happened (12)
graduate (8) 32:5;44: 11 ;45: 1,20;
30:11 ;31:6;32:3,24; 69:5;76:23;80:22;
44: 15,16; 178:8;182:20 104: 12;176:4;207: 14;
graduated (1) 208:6;215:20
122:5 happens (3)
graduates (1) 53:9;91:25; 114:19
99:21 Happiness (27)
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37:14 80: 10,13;114:20,24;
116:4,5, 7,9;138: 14,23;
139:4;206: 14,18,18;
207:2;209:22;210:9, 12;
212: 18,22;218: I, 18,20
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142:10;180:4
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91:20
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37:6
harassments (1)
43:8
bard (3)
105:13; 160:7;207:21
hardback (1)
116:8
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66:21,21; 127:21;
128:9;129: 1,4,17;130: 19,
22,24; 131 :3; 141:17
harmful (17)
48:11,15, 17;66: 18;
67: 1,8,18; 127: 13,25;
128:1,4,11,21;129:13,22;
209:24;210:1
harmfully (1)
154:22
harming (1)
127:16
Harris (5)
23: 1,7;65:8;166:25;
170:19
head (6)
16:3;42:4,4;48: 12;
84:7;110:17
heading (1)
118:21
health (1)
154:22
healthful (2)
49:23,24
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165:2; 199: 12;221:5
beard (5)
70:6;100: 14; 123:23;
183: 12; 190:10
bearing (2)
86:13;140:6
hears (1)
202:3
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134:19
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189:7,25
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27:7;45: 13;56: 19;
102:1 ;110:9;131 :19;
133:22; 134: 18;140:9;
148:9;216: 13,21 ;217:2
helped (2)
32: 11;112:3
helpful (2)
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154: 12;201: 18;219: 18
helps (5)
31: 15; 136:3; 151: 14;
194:21;217:14
helpspeople (1)
104:6
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11 1:22;133:17;136:15;
202:15
here-is (1)
179:15
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151:13
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113:25
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87:22;168:16
hesitant (3)
86:12,17;110:21
hesitate ( 4)
45:23;80:21 ;85: 13;
139:5
hesitating (1)
175:13
higher (3)
123:21,22;161 :4
him- (1)
113:25
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131:21
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30:24
hindrances (1)
134:18
Hinduism (1)
30:23
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65:12
hired (6)
45:3,4,6;67:20;130:23;
137:10
hiring (1)
110:1
historians (1)
97:7
historical (3)
99:1;164:12,13
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30:22;76:22;94:24;
95: 19;147: 16,18,19,22,
25; 151 :4,9; 185:5,6
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12:1
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127:10;198:5
holidays (1)
26:5
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215:18
home (2)
24:25; 158:2
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114:21,22
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20:5;184:21,22,24
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135:4; 139:5;208:5
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173:6
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67: 12
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42:3
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1 12:24; 114:15, 17;
116:11; 124: 17,24;125:3,
9, 19,23; 126: 19; 131:13;
132: 18, 19; 133:7; 134: 15;
135:5; 138:9, 11, 18;140:7,
25; 141: 16; 151: 18;
154: 18;155:8, 13, 17,20;
156: 16;160:2,9, 16;
172: 11;197:8;199:20,25;
201 :20;203:16, 17, 19,22;
207:8,8,23,23;208: 1,2,2;
218: 19,22;219:1
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96:21; 111:21 ;125: 14;
126:7,10,14; 133: 17;
134:23;137: 17;138:20;
140:8; 150:5; 165: 19;
202:24;203 :2;204: 13;
205:9;207: 17;208: 13
Human (2)
58: 13; 176:20
humanities (1)
31:1 1
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116:25
hundreds (2)
155: 14, 14
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202:1 I
hygienist (1)
46:4
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169:13;170:1;188:11,
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156:9 158:16; 195: 10,12 144:7;20 I :20;204: 17;
impossible (1) 207: 15
I 94:8 indulge (1)
impressed (2) 122: 10
1-20 (1) 95:4;1 19: 10 infer (1)
41:19 impression (2) 81:3
idea (3) 123: 13; 186:23 infinity (5)
76:22;90:22;170: 19 improve (2) 117:2,4; 119:16,18;
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118:25;196: 17,21 improvement (5) influences (1)
identical (2) 109: 19; 112: I 0;196:5; 113: 14
133:4;220:9 219: 12,16 influencing (1)
identification (11) inadvertently (1) 144:19
8: 1;57:24;72:14; I 03:5; 148:21 information (8)
122:25; 143: 18;163: 13; inappropriate (1) 12:25; 17:4,5;55:7;
169:10,21; 171 :17; 173:21 182:19 64:3,12;92:21; 180:24
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14:5;28:23;47:20; 10:5 38:22
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172:4,16;179:15 44: 10 11: 11;12:24,24; 16:8;
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identify (15) 50:2; 164: 15 initialed (1)
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121:5,13,23; 123:8; 82: 11; 124:24; 145:20; initially (2)
131: 19;137:5;138: 15; 149:3;151: 16;152: 15,17; 36:21; 182:2
143:7,25;144:4; 161: 18; 182:12;210:8,10 inkling (1)
185:22 includes (2) 175:7
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131:4; 132:7 including (4) 96:17
identity (1) 111 :25; 121: 11;169:22; inside (1)
118:20 186:8 203: 1
l'd've (1) income (1) insights (1)
30:25 185:14 53:19
ignore (1) incomplete (2) insistent (1)
29:23 108:16;109:8 43:7
ignoring (1) incorporate (2) inspiration (1)
112: 15 126:7; 132:18 18:7
illnesses (2) Incorporated (4) instance (2)
200:6,8 58: 17; 124: 18,21; 43:24;210:20
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140:23 increases (1) 14:5
illustrations (1) 115: 16 Institute (3)
119:9 increasing (1) 41 :25; 185:7; 186:3
image (1) 111:24 instructed (1)
216:21 indeed (3) 41:3
images (2) 106:5; 136: I ;214: 16 instructions (1)
131:24;132:1 index (1) 24:10
immediately (1) 206:4 instructor (2)
40:25 indexes (2) 33:1;45:15
immortality (1) 205:24;206:3 Integrated (1)
122:5 Indiana (1) 36: 10
impact (1) 183:15 Integrity (7)
56:22 indicate (3) 19:22; 114:1 1,13,23;
implications (1) 52:8;64: 15;94:3 11 8:3;136:22;220:2
141:6 indicated (2) intelligence (3)
importance (1) 52: II ; 120: I 36:9,10,13
135:2 indication (l) intend (12)
important (9) I 79:9 28: 16;49:25;62:2;
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126:24;128:25;129:24;
139:23;141:17,23
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47: 17;49:5,19;67:20;
76:9, 19; 129: 17; 154:14;
194:6,9
intentional (1)
34:5
intentions (1)
29:14
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63:12
interaction (2)
44:4;55:5
interactions ( 4)
29:3,7;55: 13;63: 14
interacts (2)
63:4,8
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23: 16; 127:18;208:4
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158: 15
interests (3)
41:3,12;183:19
interference (1)
36:22
interject (1)
136:4
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59: 15;60: 1,13;84:11;
202:10
internally (1)
202: 19
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9: 17;28:7;46: 15;52: 18;
53:4,12;55:6, 13, 18,20;
56:4,9,25;58: 18;61: 1,25;
63:2,4,8, 12, 15;69: 16;
80: 1 0;92:5; 1 00:25;
145:23; I46:7; 159: 14;
190: 2,5, 11 ;212:23
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159:9
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38:7;39: 19;40: 17;42: I I
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216:19
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194:15;214:12
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186:25
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19:11
interrupting (1)
32: 14
intervention (2)
127:20,21
interventions (1)
182:19
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214: 8
into (53)
17:25; 18: 16;30:25;
31 :4;32:5;33:9,11;42:2,2,
6;52:24;53:4,8,10;66:20;
67: 15;89: 14;93:8;96:3;
10 1:5,6;102:23; 1 03:23;
106:8;107:2;113:6;
114:8; 115:13, 16, 17;
124:18,21 ,25; 132:20;
135: 13,21,23; 138: 1;
139: 1; 144:6; 161:6;
166:5;185: 12;192: 14,21,
24; 194:2,6; 195:8; 197:23;
198:20;205: 11;208:13
introduce (3)
106:11,13, 16
Introspection (1)
42:18
investigating (1)
36:13
investigation (1)
75:22
involve (8)
46: I 5;95: 10;117:4;
130: 19;138: 13; 196:22;
197:25;201:18
involved (10)
32:6;36:3;62:22;75: 18,
20,2 1 ;95:10, 11;131 :23;
198:4
involvement (1)
131:24
involves (6)
17:2;93:6; 111: 18,20;
131:17;204:17
involving (13)
16:22;23: 19;34:11;
36:21 ;37:5,6;41 :24;
50: 15;75:9;80:3;82:4;
129:5;212:20
IQ (1)
109:25
Ireland (1)
44:2
irrelevant (1)
108:7
IRS (53)
55:22,25;56:8,12, 14,
15,20,22;57: 1 ;59:7,23,
25;60: 11;62:3,7,8,15;
78: 13,14;79: 19,21 ;80:7,
11, 15, 17,20;81:3;82:3;
83:1 0,17,18;84:2,14;
Min-U-Script®
86: 14,I8;87:2,5,25;88:6; Journal (8) Kentucky (1)
89:8,14;90: 14,20;9I :8, 62:1 1 ;89:20;90: I ; 172:21
I9;92: II; I09: I; I45: I2, 156: 13; 177: 10; 181:11; kidnapped (2)
15;146: 13, 15;158: 12; 187:10,24 176:10,14
171:7 journals (2) kids (2)
IRS's (2) 156:13; 186:5 36:23; 114:6
81:24;85:8 Judaism (1) kill (1)
Israeli (1) 123:14 20:4
177:6 judg (1) Killam (2)
issue (19) 105:15 32:20;33:10
35:23;39:11;40:5; judge (1) kind (23)
41 :23;48: 1 0;131 :3; 41:3 61 :7;71: 13;91 :24;
13 7:20; 139: 16; 150:21; judgment (2) 98: 18; 107:6; 114:24;
151:I1;152:8;154:16,23; 186:18;188:4 127:10, 19; 129:25;
157:7; 158: 15;188:23; jumble (1) 136:25; 141 :6; 152:7;
201:11 ;214:24;217:8 100:21 155:8,9, 15; 156: 15; 157:9;
issues (38) jump (1) 182:11 ;183: 12,21;
42:21;43:6;54:10; 144:14 201:21 ;203:5,5
66:20,22;92:9;97:4; June (1) kinds (5)
120: 16; 122:7; 128:8,25; 58:6 43:8;51: 1; 135:20;
129: 1,4,5,17; 130: 19,22, jungles (1) 163:21 ;194:22
24; 131 :20; 132:7; 133: I 0; 207: 15 Kisser {1)
137: 10; 141 : 17; 145:22; jury (4) 175:19
147: I; 149:4; 154:10, 15; 85: 19;86: 1; 141:20,20 kit (1)
159: 17; 161 :6, 7,10; Justice (1) 121:9
174:22;181 :20;187:22; 58:15 knew (6)
213:18;218:5;220:4 20:23;25: 14;175: 18;
item (1) K 181: 18;207:23;208: 1
184:19 knocks (1)
items (3) keep (13) 135:14
145:20;163: 16; 196:23 34:16;64:18; 136:9,10; knowing (2)
items-paper (1) 169: I ,24; 177: 12; 180:5; 19:19;162: 19
16:24 202:8,1 0;209:5,6;213: 18 knowledge (19)
lzaak (1) keeping (1) 18: 10,21 ;62:21 ;75: 16,
32:19 156:8 21 ;76:7;89: II ,12;90: 16;
keeps (1) 100:6; 123: I 8; 125: 14;
J 115:16 147:22,25; 175:8;202:4,
Ken (7) 13,15;214:10
James (8) 35: 17;36:5,6,9;37:7,8; knowledgeable (2)
181: 16, 18,20;182:9, 10, 43: 17 92: 19,20
12,17;186:9 Kendrick (2) known (4)
January (1) 191: 1, 1 16: 17; 18: 15,18;92:21
32: 17 Kent (40) knows (3)
Jason (2) 8:5;9:6, 11, 16;10:16; 16:21;202: 14;219:7
176:8; 183:23 28: 19;40:2;47:4;50:9; Kobrin (12)
Jeff (8) 56:24;59: 1 0;63: 17;68:6; 190: 1,2,5,13, 17, 17, 18,
23: 1,7;65:8; 166:24; 75:8;83: 11 ;87: 15,17 ,22; 20;191 :4;211 :3,5,9
170:1 9,21 ;171 :11 ;189:21 93:25; 103: 16; 11 7:23; Korbin (3)
job (6) 121 :3; 123:5;130:2; 190:10,12, 14
31 :24,25;33: 15, 15; 134:6; 143:23; 147:22; Kostelnyconcerning (1)
115:12;204:18 157: 1; 169: 16;170: 19; 45:10
job-1 (1) 178: 12; 179:24;189: 17;
33:2 190:9; 191:17;209: 11; L
jobs (2) 211 :2,13, 17;220:24
30:8;32:22 K-E-N-T (1) labeled (1)
Joe (1) 10:16 115:20
199:6 Kent-0737 (1) lack (1)
Johnston (2) 12:9 119:9
43:25;44: 2 Kent-0907 (1) laid (4)
Johnston's (1) 12:9 138: 18;139: 15;203:23;
45:4 Kent's (4) 205:3
join (2) 79:22; 122:20; 148: 14; language (3)
44:4; 101:21 180: 11 40:23;71:10;216: 11
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laptops (1)
4I: 8
large (2)
26:22; 152:25
largely (2)
88:2, 12
larger (14)
53:8; 108:20;109:4;
132:11; 135:21; 136: 19;
137: 10; 138: 1; 139: 1;
149:5,7,9, 12; 194: 12
Las (1)
45:15
last (20)
II :3;24:25;25: 1;45:23;
66: 13;74:20;81: 1;84:21;
89: 17; I 06:7,18; I I7:24;
118: 1; 168:4;177:7;
183: 12;184: 19; 191:20;
211:2;212:2
Late (5)
90:25;91:1; 112:24;
116: 10;181:19
later (15)
16:4;36: 19,19,20;41 :9;
96:9;97:22;1 03:25;105: I,
24;1 15: 12;194:22;
195: 14;219:3,9
launched (1)
44:11
law (3)
39: 18;58: 14; 191:12
Lawrence (1)
38:3
lawsuit (5)
9: 18,20;44: 12; 128:24;
129:10
lawsuits (5)
75:9,17;76:3,8,21
lawyer (6)
39:6;53:21 ;90:14, 15;
130:8; 162:23
lawyers (8)
13:1;24: 16;27: 13;65:3,
6;71 :4; 164:23; 170:20
lay (2)
37:5;204:20
lead (1)
114:7
leader (2)
53: 12;182:3
learn (5)
16:20;1 12: 13;168: 1;
219: 13,18
learned (1)
206:10
learning (1 1)
16: 19,20,22; 17:2,4;
112:9, 13, 13;196:5;
219: 12,16
least (18)
14: 12; 17: 19;22:21;
27:3,6;59:20;64:24;70: 9;
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95: 1; 124:19; 173:1;
180: 18; 185: I ;186: 19;
194: 16; 198:22;209: 12;
216:7
leave (7)
68: 1; 10I :6; 130:4;
133: 13; 140: I4; 146: 19;
161:12
led (1)
151:25
left (4)
33: 10;34:5;36:22;43:3
legal {14)
23:19;34:2,3,11, 14;
35:4,14;46:24;47: 11 ;
53:21;78:12;80:9;
178:21 ;211 :8
legitimate (1)
178:20
length (1)
53: 11
less (5)
50:21 ,25;1 05:21;
112:22;142:12
lesser (1)
200:8
lesson (1)
192:21
letter (9)
27:20,22;71:4,7;
182: 12, 13, 14,23;20 I :20
letters (1)
182:23
level (5)
17:5;38:8;56:22;
115: 10;204: 17
levels (7)
115: 13;116:20; 119:25;
138: 12; 139:7,1 1, 12
level's (1)
116:22
Lewis (11)
181:16,17,1 8,20; 182:9,
10, 12, 17,22,24;183:7
Lewis's (1)
186:10
library (1)
95:3
license (1)
91:23
licensed (1)
54:5
licensing (6)
53 :25;54:3, 19,24;55:2;
70:15
Life (20)
19: 13;73:4,17;1 04:1;
109: 19;113: 10, 15;
115: 19;118: 19; l I 9:2,3,5;
131 :20; 151 :7;198:1 0;
204:1 ;213: 17;217:3,10,
14
life' s (2)
Min-L-Script®
217:7;220:17 111: 19;127:13, 16;128:4; lowball (1)
light (2) 149:6;168:25;183:21; 26:25
99:2;134:2 184:7; 192:23,24;207:5 lower (2)
like-flip (1) longer (3) 115:17,17
153:21 26:3;41:6; 176:5 Lowery (1)
limit (3) look (37) 46:5
69:2I; I 27:20; 131:4 13:25; 15:25; I6:I6; low-key (1)
limited (3) 18:2,2;20:21;22: 17; 177:13
52: 12;96: 13;133:3 27:22;28:20;43: 16;56:7, low-level (1)
line (5) 15;57:2;73: 1,16;74: 17; 102:7
89:6; 126:6; 136:12; 84: 1;87:5;95:20; 112: 16; LRH (1)
157:1;213:3 116:5; 121 :25;129:5; 151:10
lines (3) 130:23; 136:23;143:24; Lustful (1)
106: 14; I 07: 19;161: l9 144:22; 158: 18;163:9; 182:2
Lisa (3) 168:21; 197:4, 14,15;
42: 13;43:22;171:8 207:21 ;215:3;216:4,9 M
list (12) looked (32)
14:23; 15: 11; 16:2;34:6; 13:10; 14:7,1I ;2I:6,21; MA(2)
41: 17;56:25;71 :14,15; 22:2;24:23;25:1;30:8; 30:22;31:5
76: 21;77: 1;171 :21;204:9 53: 14;66: 13;72:2,4,7; magazine (2)
listed (5) 73:2,9;74:9, 15,17,21; I09:6;146:22
11 :3;34:2, 14; 113:19; 75:25;77:22;82:3;90: 17; magnesium (1)
172:6 92:22;98: 1,6,1 2;110:20; 111:23
lists (2) 148: 16; 187:11 ;211:25 major (5)
121: 11; 148:15 looking (21) 29: 13;72:6;82: I2;
literally (1) 17: 13;21: 12;39:9;59:2; 151:5; 192:5
206:6 60:20;79: 1 ;92:24;98: 17; majority (5)
literature (1) 107:7; 111 :3; 120:2; 28:2;71:20; 137:5;
25: I 6 122:20;158:21; 159:21; 142:6;162:7
litigation (3) I79: 7, 13;191 :23,24; makes (6)
38:22,24;170:5 193: 19;205:24;212:4 85: 12; 135: 19; 151 :3;
littl e (12) looks (30) 165:23;178:1 1;203:13
16:4;28:9;86: 1 0; 11:13,15; 12:2,2,4,19; making (4)
107: 13; 140:1; 143: 10; 29:25;30:4, 16;49: 13; 49:5, 19;131: 18; 194:20
145:24;159: 16;175:6; 56:8;57: 11;77:8,8,10; man (2)
179:23;201 :4;203:8 79:6;1 05:13,14,15,17, 18; 96:19;151:22
live (2) 114: 1; 118:9; 148:5; management (5)
10:14,I 6 149: 15; 153:9,14, 16,21; 42:1 ,2,5;45: 14;46:6
lives (3) 212:19 mankind (1)
132:8;151 :3;212: 10 Lorne (6) 116:24
Living (4) 177:22; 178:1; 180:8,15, Mann (1)
53:5;57:22;58: 16; 22; 188:4 173:11
190:24 Los (1) manner (2)
load (1) 191: 16 177:19;194:9
44:18 lot (28) many (17)
local (1) 18: 19;32:22;36:15; 18:13; 19:17;42:6;78:3;
36:8 38: 15,24;39: 18;40: 16; 86:8; 1 13:6; 126:1;
locate (3) 53: 17;78:22; 107:22; 132:24;155:7; 175: 15;
115:24;116:1;214:1 126:16, 17; 128:6,8;156:6; 177:2; 178: 12; 192:7;
located (2) 157:24; 161:7 ,17;162: 19; 207:18,18;211 :12;213:23
103:9; 191:14 167:9;184: 1 0; 185: 11,16; Marburg(2)
location (3) 194: 14; 195:22;200: 15; 177:10;181:11
31: 16; 197:22;213:2 214:15,1 8 marching (1)
1ocational (2) lots (1) 104:1
17:24;163:19 70:14 Marietta (1)
locationals (2) loud (1) 208:23
17:22;113:7 194:9 mark (14)
London (2) Louis (1) 57:16;72:12; 103 :3;
40:21 ;43:20 37:13 I I 0:7;122: 12,19; 143: 14;
long (22) Love (2) 151: 11;1 64:6;1 68:6,9;
16:6;22:3;23: 16;24:21; 100:11,13 169:7; 171: 15;173: 16
25:4;31 :23;36: 1 ;38:23; low (1) marked (30)
44: 13; 108:2; 110:20; 115:15 8: 1;10:22; 12:7;27: 19;
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57:24;59:2;62:3;72: 14,
17;77:7; 103:5; 104: 19;
II 0:6,6;119:25; 122:25;
I23:3; 143: 18; I52: 13;
I58:7; I63:9,13; I68:4;
169: 10, I7,22;170: 18;
17I :17 ,20;173:2I
markets (1)
135:3
marks (2)
58:10;122:4
married (1)
114:1
Marschalk (1)
68:3
Mary (6)
24:9;44:2;45:3; 110:18,
18;111:3
Maryland (1)
30:2
mass (5)
I6:25,25,25;I96: 17,21
master's (3)
30: 16,18,20
material (14)
13: 13,22;24:6;25:2;
26:8,23;73: 1 0;87: 14;
Ill :4;201: 14;206:5,25;
214:18,20
materials (81)
11:9,25; 12:17;13:5,11,
20;14: 17,24;16:4, 17;
18:8;24:24;25:21,25;
26:2,21 ;28:3;52:21 ,23;
55:3;65: 13, 17;67:6,17;
68:22;70:3,8,17;71:21,
25;78:24;79:6,25;80:5;
83: 13,24;84:1;94:6;
97:22,24;98: I ,2,5, 17 ,18,
21,23;99:2,8;104: 19, 19;
121 :3,24;123:7; 124:22;
125: 18; 131:13, 15;
132: 17;133:21 ;137:6, 16;
140:6, 7,24;142:7; 148: 15;
150:4; 176:1; 191: 18,20;
192:3;195: 16; 205: 1,7,14;
209:12;210: 15;214: 11'
12;219:16
matter (6)
12: 18;24: 11 ;46:24;
64: 16;68:23;76: 14
matter-drugs-is (1)
151:5
matters (9)
34:1 1,14;35:5;43:14;
46: 11,19;47:11;124:20;
2 11:8
may (74)
8:7; 15: 14;20: 16;29:21;
38:7;49:7,17, 17,20,20;
60: 17;63: 12;68: 17,24;
69:3;74:6,6;85:2;88: 15,
16, I 7,17;92:20;98: 11;
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99:2;1 04:10,10, 12;
105:18;109:9;111:2;
115: 12,20; 116:21; 117:3;
120:8, 16; 121:6, 16;
127: 17; 130:21,21;
131 :20;135:8,9, 1 0;136:2;
140:1 ;141 :7;143: 16;
148: 1,16,17; 154: 1,17;
163:20,20;167:6, 11;
168: I ;170:17;172:1;
173:4;175:4;179:6;
189:8; 197:3;199:16;
20 1:4;202: 18;204:3;
214:22;218: 17;220:8
Maybe (17)
29: 15;35: 12;41 :6;46: 1;
56:1;59:1;77:11;86:10;
92: 1;109:3;112:24;
113:1 ;144:7; 147: 18;
168:20;176:4;214: 12
McMaster (6)
31 :8,9;32:2,3,7;33:9
McMaster's (1)
31:1 1
McPherson (3)
42: 13;43:22;171 :8
MD(2)
49:12,13
mean (52)
12:4,20;23 : 15;33:22;
39:12;70:8;74:8;81:10,
25;89:2;90:10;91:3;
92: 18;95:20; 102:1;
119:7;123:15;129:1,21;
130:9; 131: 16;134: 11;
141 :1; 147:20;149: 12;
154:6;155: 14,24; 159: 16;
160:7,1 0; 161 :23,24;
165: 15; 166: 19;175:4,21;
186:4; 187:21 ;188: 12;
199:25;203: 14;204:7,10;
205:6;207:4;209: 1;
215:5;216: 15,24;217:21;
220:19
meaning (2)
202:17;215:4
meanings (1)
174:21
means (5)
138:22;165: 19;194: 11;
199:24;202:7
meant (3)
134: 17;209:24;210:2
measure (1)
157:10
Medical (12)
41: 19;49:9,11,18;
66:22;1 12:5;129:7;
130: 19; 147:1,1; 149: 17;
154:10
medicine (3)
50:15;150:11,11
meet (1)
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24:21 17 99:5;117:12;167:6;168:2
meeting (6) might (52) mirror (I)
36:14, 15, 16,18;166:24; 8:16;9:24; 15:21 ,22; 198:23
208:23 16:21; 18:21 ,22;51: 16; misrepresenting (1)
meetings (1) 52:12;54:5,8,21 ;56: 18; 187:13
213:11 61 :6;66:23;68:12;77:25; miss (1)
Melton (6) 78:8;84: 13;97:7;98: 19; 122:8
185:2,3,4,23; 186:20,24 101: 19; 102:2;113:24; missing (4)
Melton's (1) 116:10;117:11;118:11, 20:9,15;73: 11 ;108: 16
186:13 12; 122:8; 128:2; 130:1 '15; misspoke (1)
member (2) 132:21 ,25; 134:9; 138:4; 190:6
185:4,10 144: 1;152: I2,25;I 54: I 1; misspoken (1)
members (13) I 58: I 1; 159: 14;162:5,13; 218:17
44:5;106:9;126:25; 163: 17;167:24;182:25; mistaken (10)
137: 14;196:6, 15;197:2; 184:25; 199:25;201 :22; 17:17;36:3;43: 1;45:2;
198:11 ;201 :7;204:2; 204:15;216:8 98: 15; 117:5;152: 19;
206: 15,20;214: 16 migrated (I) 195:20; 197:5; 198:14
members' (1) 96:3 mistakes (1)
202:2 military (1) 15:21
membersScientology (1) 207:12 mistreating (1)
28:1 MILLER(99) 151:2
members-were (1) 8:4,24;9:3,6,7,15,16; misunderstanding (1)
38:6 15:18;40: 1;50:8;57:4,9, 74:11
memory (4) 16;58:25;59:9;66:6; misunderstood (7)
15: 1,3;26:20; 102:13 67:22,25;68:5;72: 12,1 6; 17:7 ,8,13,14;20 1:11,
mental (2) 73:20;74:2,6,10,15, 16; 19;214:24
131:24;132:1 75:4,7;77:21 ;85:2,16; mixed (2)
mention (13) 87: 19;90:8;94: 12;1 03:3, 19:13;152:20
60:11;79:3;83:23; 8,11,15;108:14;117:19, mixture (1)
11 6:13,15;149:25;150:1; 22;118: 14; 122: 19;123:2; 78:5
161:10;179:19; 192:10; 129: 16; 134:1; 142:14; modeling (2)
195:21;209:13;211:20 143: 13,16,22;145:7; 16:23,23
mentioned (13) 147:24; 156:20,23,24; modern (5)
23: 12;29:3;58:24; 160: 17; 161 :21; 162:21; 98: 18,24,24;106:18;
60:15;68: 12;97:21; 163:8,24;165: 10;168:8, 107:15
109:11;117:4;163:19; 16,20,25; 169:3,7, 15; moment (1)
180: 18;182:22;206:3; 170:3,9, 12,16; 171:15, 19; 9:7
211:3 173: 16,23; 188:7, 12,14; moments (I)
mentioned-at (1) 189:7 , I 0,25,25; 190:3,6; 93:9
14:11 191 :7; 199:17;202:21; money (1)
mentioned-on (1) 203: 11;206:22;209:3; 53:6
14:12 21 1:9, 16;215: 13,18,20, Montgomery (6)
mentions (11) 22;216:3 35: 17;36:5,6,9;37:7;
14:1 ;56: 19;79:2;82:3; millions (1) 43:18
84:18;116:17;135:14; 151:3 Montgomery's (1)
149:20;209:17;210:7,18 mind (13) 37:8
mess (1) 39: 12;60:21;73: 10,23; month (1)
37:9 94:13;105:3;111:13; 22:12
Message (4) 118:13, 14;144:3; 178:24; moral (12)
207:11,12, 17,17 180:5;212:12 114:14;138:15,16,19,
met (5) mine (1) 20,24; 139: 14;161 :6,8;
24: 16,20; 133: 17; 153:12 218:5;220:4,16
181: 19; 190:21 minister (1) morals (6)
Methodist (2) 185:6 114: 16;122: 17; 124:25;
102:2,3 minor (1) 138:13; 192:25;208: 10
Methodological (2) 72:7 More (45)
180:11;181:1 minute (11) 26:22;27:6;50:21,25;
methodology (1) 18:4;28: 17;52:3;68: 1; 91: 19;92: 1; 105:3,5;
177:19 81 :7; 122:1 0; 127:4; 112:21; 121:8; 124:7;
methods (3) 143: 10; 152:23;161:23; 126: I ,10;131: 18; 133:23;
152:1,2;205:10 188:8 138: 10;142: 12;144: 10;
Midtdal (6) minutes (7) 146:6;154: 15,23;157:24;
35:10, 10, 19,21;43: 17, 25: 10;56: 18;57: 19; 158:3;159:21 ;161: 17, 19,
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25;162: 12,19;165: 14;
166: 1; 171 :3,12; 172:1;
177:3; 179:23; 180:3;
184:8;209:1,11;211:17;
214: 14,14;217:4,23
morning (4)
25:8,9; 117:16,25
most (8)
38:5;41: 16;96: 14;98:2,
16;151 :20;176: 18,25
move (9)
101: 17,19;102:22;
104: 14,16; 1 06:4;108:3,5;
206:1
movement (2)
178:23;202:25
moves (1)
194:13
moving (2)
115: 15;194:23
Moxon (2)
191:1,3
much (16)
11:14; 18:15;25:9,21;
28:9;29:12;93:4; 109:1;
134:23;152:3,12; 177:3,
11 ;179:20;210:4;221:1
multifaceted (2)
60:4;78:9
multiple (3)
139:7,11,12
murky (1)
188:1
mushroom (1)
157:12
myse1f(2)
27:9;131:4
N
nail (1)
132:14
Nakishia (2)
46:3,7
name (16)
9:6, 16;10: 14,15; 18:25;
19:5;38: 19;51:12;64: 1;
90:21; 100:11 ;190: 13;
196:8; 199:6;207:8;
208:13
named (6)
53: 14;95:2; 176:8;
177:6;184:22;207:14
names (1)
58:10
Nar (2)
190:4;205:2
Narconon (255)
9: 17,17;13: 10,13, 16,
20; 14:8; 19:21;20:24,24;
21: 18;23: 13,19;24:24;
26:6;28:3,7,7;29:9,11;
46: 15,15;49:4,6;50:21,
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25;51 :3;52: 17' 18,18,21'
23;53:2,3,4,7, 12;54:18;
55:6,6,13,18,19,23;56:4,
9,13,19, 23,24;57: 15;
58: 17;61: 1,18,24,25;
63: 1,4,8,8, 11 ,12,15,15,
18;64:8,9;66: 16,19;
67:17;68:23;69: 15,15;
71 :20;72:23;75:9;76: 17;
78:23;81 :23,24;82:23;
83:2,3,4,5,12,14,19,21,
24;84: 1, 16;85: 11 '19,24;
86:3;87: 1 ,7,23;88:4,7, I 0;
92:3,5;94: 10, 16,22,24;
95:9,12, 15,16;96:14, 14,
18;97:2, 11,15;98: 15,18,
24;99:2,6,9, 12,14,17,20;
100:1,6, 12,14,18,25,25;
101:10,15,21;102:6,11,
20,22; 103:22;104:6,7,21,
25;105:24; 106:8,19;
107:3, 16;109: 14; 110: II ,
17;111:2,15;116:6;117:5;
121 :24;124:7; 125:1,2, 18;
126: 16;128: 12,23;
129:14,23;131 :5,12, 15,
25;132:2,10,12, 17;133:5,
12, 14,16,21; 135:9,12,16,
21 ;136: 1,13; 137:6,20,25;
138: 13; 139:20;140: 12,
24; 141 :5,14;142:6;
144:20; 145:21 ,22;146:6,
7,13, 15;147:15, 17, 19,25;
148:6; 149:5,7,9,12,20;
150:6,9,25;151:7,17;
152: 1,6;153:3;154:2;
156: 15; 157: 10,23;159:7,
9,13,14;160: 15; 163:25;
164:1;190:1,2,5,11;
195:10,11,13,16, 19;
199:22;202: 16,17;
204:23;205:3,4,7, 14;
21 0:16;211 :21 ,23;214:25
Narconon's (6)
23: 16;82:11;104:8;
124:21 ;145: 13; 152:9
national (2)
53:3;58:13
nature (4)
35:23; 116: 13; 161: 1;
208: 4
near (7)
16: 11;40:7;62: 10,10;
69:2;80:25;92: 10
necessarily (7)
61: 17;81 :25;82:2;
142:22;158:20; 198:4;
199:23
necessary (3)
150:3; 168:22; 169:25
necessity (1)
122:3
need (20)
Min-U-Script@
51: 14,20,22;57:1; 39:13;41 :7,8;46: 14, 16; 153: 1,17; 163:18; 166:2;
77: 15; 107:22; 109: 19; 82: 19; 156:9 168:5;169: 17,23;170:18;
117:9; 136:15;142: 18; Non-party (1) 174:20; 185:12, 15; 186:6;
143:6; 150: 16;162:25; 12:21 187:20;191 :10,10, 17;
164:20; 167: 18;170:6; nonprofit (23) 192:1 0;193:5;197: 13;
180:24;189:7;215:7; 55:20;56:4;61: 1,3,10, 198: 10;204:1;206:14;
221:5 13,19,25;81 :7, 10, 13,18, 209:5,21;211:8,11;
needn't (1) 23,24;82: 1 ;83:9;88:8; 213: 11;219: 17
152:18 89:7;145: 15; 146: 15,16; numbered (3)
needs (1) 159:10,14 20:3;57:7,10
94:2 non-psychiatrist (1) numbers (4)
negative (6) 153:4 12:7;35: 12;52:8;
17:23;113:4, 14,24; non-Scientologists (1) 144:22
115:17;199:1 136:2 numeral (1)
negativity (1) Nor (4) 58:22
200:16 97: 18; 137: 10;157:7; nutshell (1)
negotiated (1) 159:12 39:9
90:15 normal (3)
negotiations (2) 115: 14,14;187:18 0
62:19;92:16 North (2)
net (3) 32:4;183:5 object (16)
41:22;42:15,23 Norway (1) 17:1 ;40:3;90:3;1 08: 11;
network (11) 183:13 133:25; 142: I ; 160:4;
151:25; 175:9,11,20,24; Nos (5) 161 : 15; 162: 1 7; 165:7;
176:3,8,14;183: 18,24; 8:2;103:6; 143: 19; 191 :7; 199:17;202:21,24;
184:5 163:14;169:11 203:11 ;206:22
neutral (3) notary (1) objected (2)
45:7;1 06:21;161:2 9:4 42:7;46:7
Nevada (1) notation (1) objection (7)
45:15 65:16 39:2,4,21,24;40: 12;
New (6) note (1) 45:18;134:2
73: 17; 151:7;162: 13; 65:9 objectionable (1)
164:22;170:25;171: 1 notes (8) 48:6
newspaper (3) 14: 16;45:5;70:25; objections (1)
77:3; 170:23,24 152:7; 179:15; 196:23; 8:14
Next (14) 211:9,12 objective (1)
19: 19,20;37: 11,21; nothing's (2) 45:7
42: 12;45:9;52: 1,2;57: 17; 149:5;155:16 objectives (10)
72:12;116:2;122:20; notice (6) 17: 19, 19,25;20:12;
169:8;173:16 21: 19;30:22;41 :15; 73:13;112:23,25;113:5;
next-to-last (1) 201 :8;211 :8,11 197:6,6
62:11 noting (1) obligation (1)
niacin (2) 93:24 69:17
111 :25; 112:2 November (1) OCA (1)
Nick (3) 22:9 102:17
75:2;92:25;98:7 NP(2) occasional (3)
nicotine (2) 12:4,19 209: 17;210:7,18
96:6,7 number (92) occasions (2)
night (10) 11:3;16:14,19;19:23; 47:4;210:23
24: 19,25;25: 1;66: 14; 26: 10;28:2,9;29: 12; occurred (1)
69:5;74:20; 117:24; 36:23;38:4;52: 13;54: 16; 131:20
168:4; 191:21 ;212:2 58:3;70:5;71: 16,19;73:2, occurring (2)
nights (1) 8,17;78: I I ;80: 12;90:22; 128:12,22
26:6 91:9,18;93: 19;94: 16; occurs (1)
nine (2) 95:23;96:11,15;99:22; 106:5
16: 13;47: 1 104:9;112:9;114:10; o'clock (1)
ninth (1) 115: I ,23; 116:3; 118:2,9; 208:23
93:12 124: 13, 16; 125: 18,21; October (1)
non (1) 126:5,23; 134:6; 137:4; 153:11
83: 17 138:7,7 ,24;140: 19, 19; odd (1)
non-drug (2) 144:4,8,24;145: 11,19,25; 33:24
138:3;153:4 146:21 ;148: 13;149:3; off (34)
none (7) 150:20,24;152:6,13; 9: 10;16:2;22:2;35: 15;
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40: 16;50:6;51 :4,4,25;
77:20;85: 13;96:20,24;
109:21;133:22;135: 11,
17, 19; 136:3;138:3;140:9;
147:23;148:9; 154:13;
157:3;163: 1 0,12; 170: 15;
189: 14;195: I ;207:10;
209:7;215:25;216:2
otler (53)
27:21,24;28:14;47: 15;
49: 16,22;50:20,23;54:6;
55:9,12;61 :24;63:3;
64:12;66: 18;67:2,7;69:5,
8, 11,14;84: 15;86:2;
97:1 0,14,19;99:16, 19;
102: 10;106:6,17;107: 1,
21; 108:3;112:6; 124:5,7,
12;129:11,22;137:15;
141: 12,24; 150:17;157:2;
161: 14; 162:15;165:4,22;
167:2;216: 16;220: II, 12
offered (4)
34: 10;35:5; 101:3;
206:16
offering (2)
49:5; 106:22
offhand (2)
47:22;168:1
office (1)
92:13
officer (3)
36:7;136:15,16
officers (2)
36:15;37:7
officials (2)
195: 11,11
officials-must (1)
195:12
Often (8)
16:23;93:8; 102: 14;
104:8,14;113:3,4,7
Oklahoma (6)
21:19,24;27:3;67:6;
145:3,4
old (5)
10:14,17;101:4;
105:22;164:12
older (2)
74:9;178:10
omissions (1)
15:22
omit (1)
116:21
omits (1)
96:6
omitted (3)
11: 16;96:7; 170:17
once (4)
44: 19;53:9;86:21;
146:25
one (165)
11 :3; 14:9; 16:22;19: 13;
20:9,14;21 :22;22:21;
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25:7;32:2,4;33: 1,6;35: 13;
36:23;38: 11, 14;40:20,24,
24;41: 14,21 ;42:10, 12;
43:24;45:9,18,23,25;
46:20,22,25;49:11;51: 12;
53 :20;55:22;56:9;57:9;
61 :8;67:2;72:9;73:3,4;
75: 19;76:24;77:9;78:20,
21;83: 1;91:19;94:4;96:6;
I 01:4, 17;103:13,20;
I 04: 14; 1 09:7,12; 114:16,
25; 115:4, 19,22,22,23;
116:1,2,18,19;117:3;
119:22; 122:2,2;123: 16;
126:1; 131; 16; 132:3,4,6;
134:5, 17;135:6,21;
136:20,25;137:22; 138:7,
14; 144: 13;145:16;150:9;
152:5,11 ;153:21 ;154: 17,
23;155:20;156: 12;
158:16, 16; 161: 1,11;
168:5; 170:25; 171; 1,6, 7'
10;172:5,24;173:1,2,3,4,
6,7; 174:21; 176: 12;
180: 16;181 :9; 182:24;
183:6; 184:17; 186:22;
188:3; 192:20;193:4,19;
194:12, 13,13, 14,15,19,
22; 196:3, 16,21,23;
197: 10; 198: I ,2;201:22;
204:20,20;206:7 ;207: 5,
24,25 ;209: 19 ;21 0:20;
212:3;217:4,6,15;218:3;
219:4,6,7,7, 11,18,20;
220:11
one-page (2)
182:12,14
ones (15)
16: 14;35: 15;38:9;
41: 16;47:22;74:20;
142:17,24; 143:1,4;
148: 16;170:4;197:7;
199:1;216:11
one's (10)
42:22;85:6;115:24,25;
116:1;118:22;198:1;
201:9;204: 14,15
only (27)
8:6,9; 16: 14;40:5, 10;
45:4;48:10;56:20;78:9;
80:21 ;83: 15,19;95:9, 11;
109:7;131 :11 ;151 :11;
154:21;158:11,17;160:5;
163: 16; 168:16;175: 13;
195: 18;200:9;201:17
Ontario (2)
32: 16;178:5
onto (1)
25:12
open (3)
1 04:9;112:3;146: 19
opened (4)
24: 10;33:7,13;95: 15
J\Iin-U-Script@
operation (2) 183:9;204:7,21 ;212:25; own (8)
115:6,14 220:15 45:3;115:24;135: 1;
operations (1) organizational (3) 183:9;204: 12, 14;205:9;
107:3 70:22; 115:6;204: 16 214:12
opinion (55) organizations (21) Oxford (11)
24:6,14;27:21 ;28: 15; 56: 10,11,25;58:8,9; 102:12,14, 16, 17;
35:5;51 :7;54: 10;61 :24; 60:8,16, 19;62: 1 ,5;63:9; 109: 12,13,16,17,23;
66: 18;67:2;71: 19,19; 70: 15;78:6,6;80:9,24; 110:15;111:7
73:2;78:5, 15;80:4;83:20; 88: 15;90:6, 11; 101:1;
84: 16;86:2;97: I 0, 14,19; 213:2
p
99:8,17, 19; 106:7, 17,23; organized (1)
107: 1,21,25;108:3; 96:20 pack (37)
124: 13, 16; 125: 17; 126:5, oriented (4) 13: 10,20,22;14:8,1 0,
23;127: 14; I29: 1 I,22; 113:3,4; 195:8,9 17,24;16:4,8, 13, 19;21: 18,
133:5; 134:6; 13 7: 15; original (2) 20,25;23: 15;24:23;25:2;
140: 18,19;150:4;162:6; 60:23;185:18 66:13, I 7;67:6, 17;70:2;
165:22; 166:2; 167:3; others (6) 72:1,23;79:7,25;80: 12,
217:4,6,15,17,25 60: 17;99: 15; 157:11; 12;82:23;83:3;85: 11;
opinions (77) 178:22;218:8, 1 I 98: 17;103:22;116:6;
9:24; 10:3;13:9,19; out (69) 152:25;201 :9,10
15:6,8;20:20;23 :7;24:3; 9:23; 10:2; I 1:3,4, 18; packs (6)
27: 17,24;28:21 ,23;29: I 8; 15:5; 18:20;20:6;22:4; 15:2, 16,25; 18:8;79:4;
34:11;49:2,6, 17,22; 26:2,9,24,24;28: 15;30:4; 83:5
50:10,11 ' 14,20,23;52:4,9; 32: 11,16;34:5;41:7; pack's (1)
54:6,7;55:9,12;63:3;67:7; 43:22;44:21 ;45:21 ;46:9; 15:17
69:5,8,11,15,21,24;71:5, 52:14;53:6;61 :9;65: 13, Padgett (8)
9,1 0, 16;76:4;79:22; 17;76:23;77: 12;79:21; 42:24,24;43:3,10, 15,
108:9;112:7;124:5,7 ,11; 82:9;85: 17;86: 12;102:2; 24;172:21;173:3
126: 11' 12; 130: 12; 116: 10;121 :21;135: 14; page (28)
141:22; 142: 19; 143:2,6; 138: 18; 139: 15; 142:24; 14: 13;57:23;58:3;
144:1 ;147:12;150:3, 17; 145: 16;152:5;154:1; 60:20;118: 10;119: 12,20;
153:3; 157:2,21; 158:1 0; 157: 15;158: 19,20,23; 120:8; 121:12, 14; 122:1;
161: 13; 162: 15,22; 161 :9,18;175:23;182:4; 152: 14; 153: 17,23;
164:23; 165:4; 167:20; 183:3; 184:19;185:8; 154:20; 157: 12; 184:9;
185:21; 187:8;188:21,25; 187:9; 188:2;196: 11; 192:9,9;193:20; 195:24;
220:6, 11,12 201 :4;202:5,5,7, I 0, 14, 18; 196:1 0;200:4;209:25,25;
oppose (2) 203:23;204:20;205:3; 210:1,2,3
187:19,20 216:5 pages (8)
opposed (2) outlier (1) 12:14;58:5,21 ;108:16;
199:5,7 158:11 109:7; 144:8;153: 10;
opposite (1) outlined (1) 155:14
199:9 138: 11 page-that's (1)
opposition (2) outlines (2) 153:21
47:5;134:20 71:5;201:21 paid (3)
ordained (1) outlining (3) 55:1 ;179:19,20
185:6 27:25;68:21 ;126:25 pain (1)
order (10) outside (5) 122:6
13:9;24:3;30:23;52:22; 21:16;96: 15;175: 12; painful (1)
114:13; 115:4,18;142:18; 188:2;201:23 31:24
200:22;20 I :4 over (9) pamphlet (2)
or ders (2) 42:25;44: 14;70:8; 101:9;207:11
194:14,17 75:25;96:22;112: 15; paper (9)
ordinary (2) 127:23; 174:5; 184:23 11 :14; 26:17;65:20;
38:9;216:11 overall (1) 178: 11,25;180:8, 13,23;
Org (2) 82:4 196:24
44:4;212:24 oversight (1) paperback (1)
Organization (32) 29:12 116:8
42:14;52:25;53:2,8; overt (2) paper s (I)
55: 14,20,25;56:4;61: 1, 120:18;165:17 152:20
20;63:5,6;65:5;70: 12; overts (4) paragraph (1)
78:9;81 :8, 11, 13,19;83:2; 120:3,6,10,12 151:18
88:9, 19; 102:25,25; overwhelming (1) paragraphs (1)
115:25;139:7;172:13; 151:9 184:8
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parallel (5)
94:5,6; 113:20;162: 1;
220:7
parallels (1)
199:8
parents (1)
32:11
parliamentary (1)
184:12
Parsons' (3)
75:2;92:25;98:7
part (26)
22: 12;23: 17;30:19;
38:12;41; 17;52:22;60:2;
65 :4;78:9 ;83 :8,1 0;85 :23;
88:20;98:2, 16;102: I 0;
1 09:4;131:17;144: 19;
146:3, 12; 157: 14; 158:3;
185: 13;207:6;218:24
partially (1)
117:25
participants (1)
136:1
particular (35)
13: 15,15;20:25;40:6,
1 0;58: 1 0;60:5;61 :7;87:8;
108: 19; Ill :21,24;115:5,
6;123: 12,17;128:3;
130:25;131:9; 136:23;
141:9; 145:23;152:13;
164: 14;176:24;181 :4;
184:21; 188:22; 192:21;
194:2,6;200: 19,20;
201 :23;205: 12
particularly (1)
41 :8
parties (2)
32:14;148:18
partnered (1)
36:12
partnership (1)
190:25
parts (1)
78:10
party (1)
60:4
pass (3)
115:11 ;119: 14,21
passed (2)
182:18;211:11
passing (1)
211:9
past (7)
17: 12,24;40:4; 113:4;
175: 1; 191:1 0;201: 12
path (1)
194:19
Patrick (5)
67: 19;69:4;74:21;
110:11;111:6
pay (6)
70:1 1,15;87:11;
144: 10;206:20;207: 1
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paycheck (1)
185:14
paying (1)
61:6
pays (2)
52:23;54:18
peer (2)
182:23;187:25
peer-review (1)
188:5
peer-reviewed (1)
187:23
penal (2)
60: 15; 180:20
pencil (1)
196:23
pencils (1)
16:24
Pentecostal (3)
176:10, 15;183:25
people (105)
17:23;18: 13,16,19,21,
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49:24;51 :2;53: 19;54: 12;
65:2;70: 15;75:21 ;85: 18;
86: 1,7;89:9;93:8, 16;
95:24;96:24;99:9, 18,22;
100: 18,19; 101:5, 16, 19;
102: 11,22;103:23;
I 04: 14, 15;105:23; 106:8,
19;107:7;109:20; 111 :25;
112:14;113:2,14;114:6,
18;115:8;118:4;120: 15;
124: I ;127:10,14,16;
128:2;131 :19,23; 133:12,
16,18,22,23;135:8,9,11,
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140:8; 148:9; 154: 12;
155:7 ,12; 156:3,6; 157:3;
177: 17,1 8;186:22;
187: 19;194:24; 195:7,13;
197:8; 199:9,16, 19;
200: 14, 16;210: 1;212:9;
214: 13,22;216:8,13, 18;
217:2,8,23;218:4;219: 18;
220: 1
people's (9)
32: 14;48:8; 115:10;
127:7;132:7; 133:8;
216:21;219: 13;220: 16
people-you (1)
18:25
perceive (1)
176:19
percent (7)
52:24;53: 1 ;54: 19;55: 1;
70:5;86: 17;96:25
percentage (3)
18:25;33:20;70: 12
percentages (1)
97:3
perception (6)
37:25;73:12;112:19;
Min-U-Script®
197:2;219:22,23 philosophy (1) played (1)
performing (4) 30:14 92:18
204:20,21,21,22 phone (4) player (1)
perhaps (2) 22:24;65:2,9;183:2 185:24
183: 13;217:21 photo (1) please (1)
period (6) 108:22 156:21
30:7;37:24;38:4,25; photocopied (1) plus (1)
98:22; 129:17 145:20 96:25
periods-up (1) photocopy (2) pm (1)
111:19 108:23;109:6 221:10
permission (2) photocopying (2) point (33)
64:1;95:6 108:23;109:2 19:1 0;23:3;32:7;37:4,
permitted (1) phrase (1) 4;43: 13;57:20;65:25;
58:9 135:4 84:7; 106:21 ;108:8,12;
person (49) phrases (1) 118:9; 134:22;142: 18;
14:2;17:3,6,9,25;18: 1; 177:6 143: 1,5; 144:2; 157:20,23,
19:23;20: 10;36:22; physical (2) 23;158:9; 160:22;161 :9,
40:22;41: 10;43 :21; 119:3; 196:17 25; 167: 10; 176:18;
45: 18;99:20; 100: 14; physically (1) 187:18,19,20;211: 1, 1,2
103:25;113 :24;115: 12, 198:2 pointing (1)
14,20; 119:24;141 :3,8; physiological (3) 201:19
176:8; 184:21 ,22,23; 112:5; 129:7; 154:10 points (3)
194:5,8,21 ;195:9;196:2; physiology (3) 137:24;187: 17,20
197:22; 198: I ,2,6; 199: I, 50: 1,16; 130:20 police (6)
4,7, 12,16;200:18;201: 12, pick (1) 36:6,10,11, 14,16;37:7
15,19;202:4, 13,17; 108:20 policy (3)
207:14 picked (1) 43:6;201 :20;202: 16
person' (1) 42:10 poorly (1)
38: 1 picture (2) 147:10
Personal (13) 103:23;152:16 popular (1)
19:22;62:21 ;75: 16,20; piece (2) 213:1
89:11;90:16;100:6; 26: 17;65:20 popularity (1)
114: 11, 13,23; 118:2; pieces (1) 151:9
136:22;220: 1 186:6 popularizing (1)
personalities (3) pin (1) 207:9
19:15,16;200:14 117:12 population (1)
personality (13) Pis (1) 151:6
109:22,22;113: 12, 12, 91:21 pores (1)
18,21,22; 198:15,15,24, place (4) 112:3
25;199:5, 9 8:10,12; 14: 13;76: 17 portion (2)
persons (1) places (2) 68:13; 145:17
199:20 19:17;82:6 portions (1)
person's (10) plaintiffs (1) 158:9
48: 12;63:25;90:21; 13:11 portray (2)
109: 19; 113:23;115: 19; plaintiffs' ( 6) 156:14;208:3
136: 16;154:22;194:20; 13: 1;21 :7;24: 16;27: 13; portrayal (1)
198:5 75: 12; 170:20 147:16
perspective (3) plan (9) portrayed (1)
132:9; 187:3;203 :20 51 :9,12;66:20;67:20; 180:18
persuade (1) 99: 19; 102:25;140:22; portrays (1)
176:15 147:3; 150:25 153:6
persuasion (1) planet (4) position (9)
178:19 134:16,17, 18,20 32:19;33:6, 13,13;83: 1;
PhD (12) planned (3) 103:2;115:8,11;135:25
30: 17;31:7,12;33:9; 29:2;107:2,18 positive (2)
182: 17; 183: 1,1,2,3,6, 10; planning ( 4) 217:4;220:1 8
185:4 30: 18;50: 11;51: 19; positively (1)
PhDs (1) 158:2 86:13
32:21 plans (5) possibility (3)
phenomenon (1) 48:25;5 1 :25;63:7; 118:5; 123: II ;144: 18
202:14 66:24;174:14 possible (5)
philos (1) plates (1) 33:4;99: 13; 105:17;
123:15 91:23 142:4;208:24
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possible-of (1)
111:20
possibly (3)
15:9;83: 18; 159:20
postdocs (1)
32:21
postdoctoral (3)
32:18,20,25
posted (1)
34:19
potential (8)
19:16;66:21; 113:12;
134: 19; 198: 16;200:5, 17;
202:11
power (3)
115:8,11;123:22
Practice (22)
8:21 ;42: 1,5;46:5,6;
47:20;48:5;70:10;
104:11;127:13,15;
128: 11,21;129: 13,23;
131:19,21;141:23;
149: 17; 191 :5, 14;213:21
practiced (5)
129: 14; 196: 14;213: 16,
24;214:22
practices (30)
28:1;47:21 ;48:10;
68:21 ;70:20;83:7 ,8;
126:25; 127:12, 18,20;
128:3,16; 130:23;131 :8;
132: 13;133: I ;134:7;
137: 14; 140:3,23; 141: 12;
192: 15,22;194:3;197:7,
19; 198:20;204: II ;208: 19
practicing (2)
136:13;194:7
precepts (2)
19:24;20:3
precisely (2)
124:4;203:22
predate (1)
126:16
preliminary (1)
194:16
preparation (1)
112:22
prepare (1)
194:21
prepared (5)
75: 12,14;192:16,19;
208:16
preparing (1)
51:25
prepped (1)
137:10
present (11)
18: 1;68:3; 113:3,6;
140:22;169: 13;195:8;
197:9,23;213:20;215: 11
presentation (1)
152:10
president (1)
(17) paycheck - president
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53:1 2
pressed (1)
101 : 16
presumably {1)
82: 18
pretend (1)
118:24
pretty (8)
15:25;41 :7;42: 15;43:5,
9;81 :4;152:3;173:2
prevent (1)
210:5
previous (2)
20:23;21 :18
previously (1)
14:7
primarily (9)
28:4;66:22;71 :22;
73: 13;96: 13;99:3; 137:7,
16; 142:8
primary (1)
214:19
principal (1)
175: 19
principle (10)
111 : 12; 196: 14,25;
200:6, 10,13;201:5;202: I ;
218: 10, 12
principles (33)
25: 13, 15;28:4;42:9;
71:22;79:7,8, 17, 19;80:6;
83:6;84:4;93: 2;96:21 ;
114:17,25;11 5:3; 124:17,
19,24; 126:8; 131: 13;
132: 18, 1 9; 136: 14;137:7;
138:8, 18; 142:8,11;162:9;
205: 11 ;208: 17
print (3)
11 :4,18; 185: 1
printer {1)
77: 14
Prior (3)
24: 15;27:4;56: 14
prison (4)
95:2;96:20; 148: 10,11
prisoner (1)
148:8
prisoner s (3)
95:5,7;96:20
prisons (1)
96: 16
private (2)
155:23;213: 19
privilege (1)
86:23
probably (17)
22:9;26:23;37:5;78:2;
87:8; 102:24; 108:7;
133:7; 153: 15;161 :3;
181: 19,25; 188:6;205:8,9;
214:2;220:21
problem (5)
12:23;87: 12; 130:2;

151:13;200:16 17; 194:5,8 37:23;38:3, 16, 17;
problems (5) prominent (1) 103:21;186:19
17:2;86: 11 ;153:5; 36:8 publicity {1)
202:9,10 promise {1) 18: 17
procedure (2) 32:23 publicly (1)
70:13;206:10 promotes (1) 44:7
procedures (2) 220:15 published (18)
136:18; 191:25 pronounce (2) 20:7;32:23; 103:20;
proceeding (2) 190:16;211:4 105: 12; 155: 16,20; 172:7;
44:23,24 proper (1) 177:9, 18; 179:5,1 0,13, 15;
process (4) 136:18 180:4; 181 :24; 184:4;
120: 18; 151 :4; 188:1; protocol (1) 185:15;186:5
195:4 152:8 publisher (1)
processes (4) proud (1) 103:22
39: 13;95:5; 163:22; 135:16 publishers (1)
194:17 proved (1) 182:4
produce (2) 154:21 pull (4)
116: 12;156: 18 provide (12) 22:4;65: 17; 142:20;
produced (11) 27:25;39:8;65:23,24; 161:18
72:21 ;73:21 ,23,25; 66:4,5,7 ,1 0;99:2; 126:24; pulled (2)
74:5,12;108: 15; 116:9; 177:24;214:25 27:9;70: I
142: 16;168: 14;170:5 provided (9) pulling (2)
production (2) 1 0:23; 11 :6;21 :7;24:2; 26:1;65:13
152:7;155:1 27: 16;64:5;75:8;76:10; Pur (1)
professionally (1) 214:4 96:4
216:15 provides (1) purely (2)
professor (1) 80:8 87:24;218:3
180:9 providing (2) Purif(2)
program (103) 40:12; 175:25 96: 11; 133:19
21 :5,8;29:9;31 :2,3,15; pseudo (2) Purification (22)
42: 19;49:4, 6;50:21 ,24; 150:11, 11 16: 15,16,18;95: 10, 17;
54:5, 9, 14;60: 12;63: 18; psych (1) 96:4,13;97:21;99:21;
64:8,9;66: 19;73:8, 17; 49:14 100:20; 10 I :5,6; I 03:24;
79: 16,18;83:4,4,14, 14,2 1; psychiatric (1) 108:24;111 : 13,15,16;
84:3, 16, 19;85: 14,20; 199:25 129:5; 131 :25; 133: I I ;
86:3,8;87:24;94: 10; psychiatrist (2) 146:23; 152: 16
95:10, 12, 15, 16;96:9,1 0, 49:9;138:4 purpose (8)
19;97: 17,18,22,23;99:21, psychiatry (9) 8: 16,19;9:23; 130:9;
24;100: 1,6, 12, 15,18; 134:23,25,25; 135: 14, 137: 1,2;158:21;197: 18
10 1:23; 104:25; 105:24; 15,19; 150:23;151:2, 15 purposes (21)
107 :4; 11 0:4; 111: 14, 14; psycho (1) 8:2,6,8,20;57:25;60:7;
123:24; 124: I ,4,6,8,1 0; 184:13 65: 10;72: 15;81 :25;
125: 1; 128: 13,23; 129:6, psychological (1) 82:21; 103:6;123: 1;
15; 131 :25,25; 132:2, 1 0; 110:3 129: 10; 143: 19;163: 14;
133: 12, 17; 135: 11 ;136:3; psychologist (2) 169: 11,20; 171: 18;
137:25; I 38:3, 17; 141 :14; 49:10,14 173:22; 194:7;215:6
144:20;145:23; 147: 15; psychoses (1) pursuant (1)
148:8; 150:9;151 :12; 42:20 8: 10
154:3,8,12; 157: 10; psychotic (2) push (3)
165:24;180:19,21; 199:23,24 82: 12; 133: 11 ;145:22
195: 13;200:20;202: 17, PTS (11) put (11)
18;210:16 113:21,24;141:3; 15:24;34:7;61 :22;72:5;
programs (14) 198 :20;200:9,20,23,24, 122:22,23; 160:7; 166: 19;
31:1 0;32:4;42:2;46:6; 25;201: 1,3 189: 18; 195:22;215: I 0
48:21,23;49:23;51: 1; pub (1) putting (2)
97:2; 106:8, 19; 107: 16; 179:5 38:6;51:25
131 :22; 140: 13 public (7)
program's (1) 9:4;58:4;89:21; 100: 1 0; Q
86:9 151:9; 175:21;208:3
progress (2) publication (5) qualified (2)
200: 22;202: 12 151: 17; 168:21; 175:4; 50:13, 16
Project (6) 179:22; 182: 1 quarter (1)
60: 12; 151 :8; 180:12, Publications (6) 70:9
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questionnaire (1)
109: 18
question's (1)
85:25
quickly (3)
41 : 17; 110:20;205: 18
quite (9)
52:7;53:7;90:22;
115:23;119: 10;135: 16;
145: 19;206: 12;211 :11
quotation (1)
122:4
quoted (3)
171:1,3;184:17
quotes (1)
187: 12
R
r adiation (9)
95:20,22,25;96:2,5;
112: 1,4; 152: 15; 157: 15
Rain (1)
187:1 1
raise (3)
97:7;116:2;147:3
raised (1)
177: 17
ran (1)
144:9
range (3)
144:8; 152:23; 186:4
rate (5)
96:24;97: 11,15,16, 18
rates (1)
157: 10
rather (2)
29: 10;99: 15
RCMP(1)
36: 11
reach (3)
13:9,18;24:3
reached (5)
84: 10;87:25;91 :6;92:8;
177:20
reaching (6)
20:20;23 :6;73 :2;76: 3;
108: 9;134:19
reacts (1)
17:9
r ead (19)
9: 1 ;68:17;70:7;74: 22,
23;84:21;85:4;95:4;
102:9; 105:14;1 11:1;
133:22; 148: I ;158: 12;
184:9; 193:21 ;200:7;
214:21;219:7
reading (4)
64: 19; 155: 13,14;
214:1 1
reads (1)
219:7
ready (1)
(18) pressed - ready
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159:22
real (4)
86:22; 148:4;153:7;
210:5
reality (1)
90: 5
realize (3)
8:6; 142: 19;200:25
realized (1)
147:1
really (30)
18: 19; 19:21 ;22: 13;
24:11;25:15;39:8;41:8;
44: I 0;72:3;78:20;89: 12;
93:4;95: 19; 115:8,25;
119:10;135:7; 136: 11;
137:21,21;154:6; 156: 14;
159: 15; 164: 13;177: 1,13;
181: 15; 185: 19; 196:20;
212:4
realm (1)
135:13
realms (2)
136: 11;161:11
reappear (1)
195: 13
reason (23)
11 :22;40:2,10, 11;5 1 :5,
15;56:5;60:25;61: 15,20;
80:21 ;87:4; 1 04:20;
107:20;119:25;124:4;
134:4; 139:5,5;149:2;
164: 14;175:13; 179:12
reasonable (1)
86:2
reasonably (1)
167:22
reasons (4)
32:2;82: I ;185: 13;
186: 10
Rebecca (11)
23:4,7;65:23;67:23;
73:20;103: 12; 156:21;
166:24; 168: 10; 170: 14;
188: 14
Rebecca's (1)
169:23
rebel (1)
207: 14
recall (21)
23:20;36: 1;43:23;
45:20;62: 10;71: ll ;79: I,
3, 14;92: I 0;1 05:2; 106: 1;
109:2; 122:6; 123:9;
160:22; 171 :2;205: 15,17;
2 12: 1,3
recall-and (1)
102:8
receive (3)
21: 10; 199: 13;200: 19
received (3)
27:20;56: 11;83:9
receives (2)
1\fin-L-Script®
136: 16; 194:14 70: 1;149:8,10,20 91:24
receiving (2) reference (7) release (1)
44:3;111:7 12:14;13:21;79:1 1; 62: 15
recent (3) 168:3; 170:22;210: 11; released ( 4)
32:21; 105:3,5 213:3 62:9,12;89:21 ;90: 1
referenced (I) relevant (5)
I
13:18 128:23; 132:9;134:9;
references (4) 140:5; 141 :8
'Recent (1) 210: 14;212: 18,20; relief (2)
151:19 219:8 120:6,15
referred (3) religion (31)
R 104:4; 175:2;205: 19 30:12,14,15,17, 17;
referring (3) 31 :4,7,9,12, 15, 18;33 :8;
Recess (7) 72:1,3;78:8 42:8;48:9,10,11 ;78: 18;
50:7;68: 2;103: 14; refers (2) 82:4,5; 116: 17; 123: 15;
117:21;143:21;169:9; 16:15;180:13 127:16; 146: 17;160:1 1,
189:15 refused (1) 12; 177: 10;178:22;
recitation (1) 62:16 181:11,25;185:8;186:16
19:14 refute (1) religions (1)
recognition (2) 179:12 89:1
18:25; 19:5 regained (1) religions-Hinduism (1)
recognize (2) 104:1 30:23
19: 1;21 :2 regard (8) religious (62)
recollection (2) 46:24;47: 11;48:20; 31: 10;37: 15,22;42:9;
44:25;56:24 49:3;67:5; 124:20; 128:7; 47: 16;48:4,8;58: 19;62:5;
reconceptualize (1) 186: 19 78:5, 10,18;79:9,20;80: 1;
178:18 regarding (2) 81: 8,1 1, 14,21;82: 1,5,1 3,
record (25) 188:21;189:1 15,24;83:4,1 0, 14, 19,20;
9:10;45:1,7;50:6; regional (1) 84:17;85: 19,23;86:3,7,
65: 18;66:7;77:20;85 :4; 53:2 13,20;87:3 ;88:6,9, 12,20,
93:24; 144:5; 147:23; regular (2) 23;89:4;99:5;1 16: 13,15;
163:11,12;164:12,13; 210: 8,10 121 :5,24;123: 8; 127:7;
170:13, 15; 189: 14, 18; regulated (1) 160:21 ;161: I ;177:2;
195:1 ;209:7;215:7, 10; 54:5 180:9;185:5; 186:20;
216: 1,2 regulations (1) 187:3,10;213: 16,21,24;
records (5) 53:24 2 18:8
22: 15;64: 15,18;98:4; rehab (1) rely (14)
156:8 50:17 29: 15;64:2,6,1 1 ;76:2,
recount (2) Rehabilitation (7) 12;108:8; 142:23;145: 10;
64: 12,13 60: 12; 135: 13; 151 : 10, 147:5,11;150:16; 164: 16,
recruit (7) 24;154:3; 180: 12,17 19
99:9, 17; 100: 15;101 :1, reindoctrination (1) relying (4)
23; 106: 19;107: 16 60:14 68:9,16,19; 164: 11
recruited (2) relate (3) remainder (1)
100:2,7 93:2,20;209: 14 168:6
recruiting (2) related (5) remained (1)
102:21;133:15 85: 12; 167:11 ;172: 13; 33: 16
recruitment (4) 206: 19;207:7 remember (24)
99: 13,24; 102:14; relates (4) 17: 15;20: 14;22: 12;
109:20 144: 18;157: 13;158:24; 27: 10;3 1: 13;32: 13;42:6,
Red (1) 204:17 22;44:7, 11 ;45: 11, 16;
81:10 relating (3) 47:23;51:12;55:23;
reduce (1) 197: 19;201 :5;202: I 56: 13;73:5;105:2;
15:21 relation (2) 112:21; 114:15; 176:22;
reduced (2) 115:5,6 184:7; 195:3;219: 15
44:17,18 r elational (1) r emembered (2)
reduces (1) 159:17 43: 10;212:17
132: 1 relationship (6) r emove(l)
reeducation (3) 115:25; 145:22; 146:6; 132:3
60:14, 14; 180: 19 204:15, 16,19 rendition (1)
reestablish (1) relationships (2) 113:1 1
178: 19 55: 17;216:19 repeat (3)
refer (4) relayed (1) 17: 17;93: 13;195:20
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repeats (1)
24:9
repetition (3)
16: 12;112:22; 195:22
replace (1)
134:25
report (5)
34:25;184: 15, 17;202:4,
15
reporter (5)
9:8;45:3,5;85:5; 168:8
reports (4)
34:24; 136: 16; 174:11;
202:13
represent (4)
9: 16; 11: 17;72:20;
188: 19
representation (2)
97:6;141: 1
representing (4)
41:1 1,1 1;189:19,22
represents (1)
211:7
reproduce (1)
208:7
reproduced (2)
62: 12;207: 18
required (4)
107:9;136:21,21; 137:5
requirement (1)
133: 17
requirements (2)
63:24;89:3
requires (1)
107: 7
research (30)
13: 13;20:20,23;63:25;
151:19,23,23; 152:5,7,8,
10, 12; 153: 14,25;154: 1,
16,16, 19,21 ,23,24;
155: 15,20,24; 156:3, 16;
157:7;159:6,11;181:24
researcher (1)
65:5
reserve (1)
8: 14
residential (1)
151:8
residues (4)
96:3,5; 112: 1,4
resolved (5)
59: 13;77: 1;82: 18,20,21
respect (7)
8: 12;20:5;47: 11;84:5;
127:7; 131 :8;218:7
respond (3)
141:7; 180:24;181:6
responded (6)
179:21; 181: 12, 12;
184:2,2, 19
responding (1)
186: 19
response (5)
(19) real- r esponse
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180:22,25; 181 :10,13;
185:1
responses (1)
148:17
responsibilities (2)
204:15;217: 19
responsibility (2)
217:20,20
responsible (1)
217:23
rest (1)
143:14
resulting (2)
128:4;151:24
results (1)
178:21
resume (1)
172:7
resumed (6)
50:7;68:2; 117:21;
143:21 ;169:9; 189:15
retired (1)
184:24
retreat (1)
103:1
retrieved (1)
117:24
reveal (3)
91:10,10, 14
Revenue (3)
59: 15;60: 1;84: 11
reversing (1)
178:20
review (12)
14: 16;70:2;71 :3;79:5;
92:25,25; 181 :24; 182:23;
188:1 ;192:2;209:12;
212:1
reviewed (10)
67:6;83: 13,24;110:11;
117:24; 160:1; 168:4, 18;
169:18;191:20
reviewers (1)
188:2
reviewing (1)
25:21
reviews (1)
182:22
revoked (2)
183:4,6
rid (2)
96:2;134:18
Rider (1)
110:18
Rieser (3)
110: 18,18;111:3
Rieser's (1)
24:9
right (77)
11:8,12;12:6;13:2,21;
15:12;19:12;22:11;24:5,
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75:1 0;77:8,10;79: 13; rubber (1) 155:19;176:22
83:25;97:20; I 01 :8; 196:24 scale (1)
102:5;104:5; 105:6;1 07:5, rule (1) 122:5
10;118:7; 123:25;125:6,7, 141:4 Scandinavia (1)
I 0; 126:21 ; 127:7; 128: I; ruling (2) 183:13
138:23; 139:25; 142:10, 55:25;61:9 scanned (1)
13; 145:25; 147:3,8;148:7; run (5) 168: 11
150:8; 153: 19;156:3; 18: 16;41: 17;54: 11; scanned-in (I)
158: 1; 160:7,18; 162:23; 71:10;130:16 168:14
164:23; 166:3;168:24; Rundown (16) scenario (1)
174:3; 184: 1, 1;191 :22; 16: 15,17,18;42: 18; 44:7
192: 11,22; 193: 18,19; 95: 17;96:4, 13; 100:21; scheduled (1)
198:9;206: 13;209:20; 101 :5,6; 103:24; Ill: 14, 181:23
211 :4;212: 1 ;214:23; 15, 16; 133: 12;146:23 scheme (1)
218:1,7;220:14 running (2) 138:1
Rights (2) 111:19;183:9 schemes (1)
58:13;176:20 runnings (1) 139:2
road (3) 54:14 scholarship (6)
203:20,21,21 runs (2) 32:23; 149:6,7,9,13;
Robbins (3) 96:11,12 186:21
49:17,20;189:22 run-through (1) scholarships (1)
role (2) 159:23 32:9
92:18;142:4 Scholastics (1)
roller (2) s 58:17
113:25; 117:16 school (5)
Roman (1) same (23) 30:4, 12;31 :5; 178:8;
58:22 50:3;54:8;61: 18;67:5, 183:11
Ron (54) 10,1 0;70: 19;86:4;94:7, schools (1)
17:22; 18:4,6,9,11; 19:1, 19;111: 15; 138:8;161: 19; 30:21
9,24;42: 19;52:21;55:3; 166: 16; 179:21; 181 :20; Sci (2)
79:8,16, 18;80:6;84:3; 192: 18; 196:25; 199:24; 102:22;155:15
93:3;94: 14,17;96:7,21; 204:2;205:4;206: 12; science (4)
111:12,17;124:17,23; 219:22 86:2;156: 12;219:4,10
125:3,9, 14,19,23; 126:7, San (1) sciences (5)
1 0,13,19; 13 1: 13;132: 18, 30:25 31:3,10,11,13,15
19;134: 15;137: 16;138:9; Sanskrit (1) scientific (4)
140:6,8; 141: 16;150:4; 31:1 152:11;155:9,10;
151: 17; 155:20;160:2,8, Santa (1) 178:20
16;172: 11;203: 16, 17; 185:9 Scientologist (9)
207:7;208:2 sat (1) 36:8;91:22; 132:4;
Ron's (1) 41:5 171 :9;181: 11;200: 18;
104:6 satellite (2) 213:6,14,15
room (6) 56:10;70:11 Sci en tologists (17)
41 :4,5;68:4; 169: 14; satisfaction (1) 19: 18;91:20;100:20;
170:2;209:9 106:4 1 04:9;105:25;109: 18;
route (1) satisfied (2) 110:7;116:21;133:11;
119:24 120:4, 13 135:9,1 0;136:2;203:4;
routine (3) satisfy (1) 214:4,9,13,16
93:12;197:13,16 173:24 Scientology (319)
routinely (1) sauna (5) 13:22,23,25; 14:3,4,6,
96:11 49:23;50:2; 1 I 2:4; 12,15; 17:9;18:7,12;19:4,
routines (16) 130:16;154:12 I 0, 14, I 7 ,23;20:7,22,24;
16:9,10;93:7,8,13,15, saunas (1) 23:17;25:13,15;28:5,8;
21 ;94:5,7,9;95:11; 111:20 35:6,16;36:12,13,14;
102: 19; 193: 14;197: 12; save (1) 37:12, 15;38:5,6,9, 16;
216:12;217:2 108:22 40:3,24;41 :11 ,16,25;
Roy (2) saw (7) 42:1 ,8,14, 18;43:7;44: I ,7,
174:7,15 20: 13,13,15;170:22; 12;45:2,3,5,11 ;46:24;
royalty (1) 192: 10;195: 18;212: 12 47:6,8, 10,16;48:1 ;52: 19,
70:16 saying (12) 24;53:8, 10;55: 15,18;
RPF (5) 22:23;36:3;43: 10;65:7; 56: 10;58:15;59: 14,16;
180:3;181: 10;184: 18; 83: 12;84:2;87:22; 60:8,12, 16;62:8;68:21,
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23;69:25;70:9,11;71:23;
72:8,11 ;77:25;78:4,8;
79:9;82:4, 12, 14;83:7, 7,
16;84:11,15;85:12,22,24;
86:6,21 ;88: 11,18, 19,22;
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100:3,8,16;101 :2,7,22;
1 02:7,15,23;104:2,11,15;
106:9,20;107:17;110:4,5;
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114: 12,17; 115:4;120:7;
124:19,24; 126:4, 12,13,
15,18;127: 1,6,23,25;
128:7,12,22; 129: 13;
131:6,8, 14,17, 17,22;
132:5,6,20; 133:2,4,9,18;
134:8,21,24;135: 1, 12,22;
136:6,8,10,10, 14,18;
137:8,15; 138:2; 139:2,7;
140:13,25;141 :4,7, 13;
142:9; 144: 19;146:13;
149:15, 16;150:23;
151: 12; 153:7;156:7, 11,
13;157:24;160:11; 161 :7;
162:2,10;165:20;171 :2,
23;172:4,7 ,10,13, 18;
174: 17; 175:2; 176:20;
177:3,5,15; 179: 17;180:2,
12,17,19; 181 :8; 183:18,
19; 184:20;185: 11,21;
186:8;187:11;191:25;
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193:7 ,16,25; 194:3,4,12,
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219:2,6,8;220:8
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46:6
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91:21
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46: I 1;58:11,20;60: 19;
63:6;191:11
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37:25;47:8,12;78: 16;
86:24;113:11 ;126: 11;
135:4; 139:22;140:3,23;
141:23; 145:12;147: 16;
151 : 14; 15 8 :25; 171 :9;
202:12
scope (1)
220:21
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Scott (2)
176:8;183:23
Scouts (2)
70:21;81:13
screwed (1)
26:5
scribble (2)
64:19,20
scribbles (1)
64:21
Sea (1)
44:4
Sean (4)
188:8,9; 189:23;2 15:7
Second (13)
17:2;26:4;3 1:5;40:24;
111:11,19; 116:22;
121:25;134:20; 162:6;
195: 14;212:13;214: 19
secondary (1)
214:19
secret (2)
38:8;62:8
secrets (1)
91:10
section (11)
109:7; 120:22; 144: 10;
145:2,20,21 ;146:4,22;
151:11;184:6,17
sections (1)
219:7
secular (18)
78:6;79: 16, 18;80:5,14;
84:3;85: 14;86:9,17;
87:24; 116: 12; 160: 13;
161:11 ;186:23,25;208:3,
13;218:3
secular-related (1)
78:11
seeing (3)
40:3;79:3;212:2
seeking (1)
178:18
seeks (1)
119:22
seem (5)
102: 8;105: 15;133:2;
139:13;141:15
seemed (1)
192:5
seems (6)
16: 12;112:24;186:20,
21;197:21;205:2
sees (2)
151:12;194:4
self (3)
116:1,22;216:21
self-identified (1)
179:16
semantics (1)
86:11
semester (3)
32:1 ;33: 1;52: 1
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semesters (1) shall (1) single-volume (1)
31:24 177:11 219:9
sending (1) share (2) sit (5)
26:25 92:21,23 41:4;56:6;137:3;
sense (8) Sheila (1) 194:11;210:25
85:7;92:20; 132:5; 37:14 site (6)
135: 16; 152: 11; 161: 17; shifted (1) 14:3,4;34:20; 171:23;
185:25;203: 14 31:4 172: 1,8
sent (6) short (8) sites (3)
12:25; 13:3;26:2;71 :3; 36: 19;52:21;67:23; 14: 1,7;62: 13
182:4;188:2 93:7;109:4; 154: 18; sitting (3)
separate (2) 163:8;169:16 57:21;80: 19; 108:21
119:2;143:14 shout (1) situation (1)
separ ated (1) 193:22 205: 12
142:23 show (6) situations (3)
separated-out (1) 23:21;27: 19;72: 17; 217:3,9, 15
142:25 114:25; 155: 17; 171 :20 six (4)
separately (2) shown (1) 27:3;46:25; 109:7;
57:5;164:7 32:22 117:2
separating (1) shows (2) skill (1)
127: 9 101 :4; 114:23 206:10
series (9) Shupe (6) skills (1)
37:9; 118:1 ;124: 17; 183: 14,20,22;184: 18, 216:16
128:3;138: 12; 169:8; 19;185:1 slight (1)
174:22; 184:3,20 Shupe's (2) 178:9
served (1) 186:12,17 slogans (1)
22:17 side (5) 43:11
Service (5) 30: 15;40:24,25;41 :2, I 0 slow {1)
42: 14;58:1 0;59: 15; sides (1) 144:9
60:1;84:11 41:1 small (2)
services (2) sidestep (1) 34:1;109:7
96:15,17 174:22 smaller (1)
sessional (1) Sight (1) 116:7
33:1 45:14 smoked (1)
set(ll) sign (1) 96:8
20:3;21:4,6,8, 10,12; 9:2 smokes (1)
28: 15;47:21 ;73:25;74:3; signature (1) 215:18
80:5 8:25 so-called (2)
setting (1) signed (3) 38:8;136:15
78: 12 41:1 0; 182: 16; 183:1 social (20)
settled (8) significance (2) 19:15;31:3,9,1 1, 12, 14;
43:22;44: 21 ;45:21; 131: 11;195:6 58:3,14;66:23;113:11,20;
46:8;59: 18;76:23;81 :2,2 significant (1) 130:22,24;151 :5; 178:20;
settlement (5) 14:25 198: 15,24; 199:5,7,9
59: 19;76:25 ;82:6; signing (1) societies (1)
159:3,4 41:13 151:20
seven (2) similar (15) society (5)
46:25; 117:2 17:20,21;20:4;38: 13; 80:23;135:3,24;
seven-page (1) 77:23,24; 113:6; 114:19; 136:11;199:10
182:13 124: 19;132:19;133 :4; sociologist (5)
seventh (12) 139:21 ;163:21;193 :8; 31:14;70:22;130:25;
118:3,17, 17,21; 119:2, 204:2 178:4;183:15
13;120:3, 11;121:11,16, similarly (1) sociologists (1)
18; 122:15 205:13 178:22
several (4) simple (3) sociology (10)
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158:12 simplest (1) 44: 16; 180:9;18 I :25;
severely (1) 14:13 217:11
133:9 simply (5) soldier (1)
sex (2) 85:13;86:9;146:11 ; 207:21
116:24;184:12 148:1;161:8 solidify (1)
shading (1) single (1) 151:14
77:11 151:20 Solution (3)
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somebody (10)
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74: 18; 113:21; 118: 10;
127:2; 130:1; 149:21
somebody's (1)
157:15
somebody-Scientology (1)
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somehow (3)
101 :23;107:16;133:23
someone (7)
38: 18;90: 18;112:25;
141:2; 149:25;202:3;
210:5
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sometime (1)
59:21
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175: 1; 188: I ;205: 19
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97:23;177:16
somewhere (4)
96:25;111:1;175:7;
185:14
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152:25; 171: 12; 178: 15;
190:3,3,6, 13, 15;208 :22;
215:22
sort (20)
18:24;23: 19;35:5;37:6;
44:23;54:8;64: 18;70: 15;
82:9; 113:15; 124:2;
139:2; 141: 14;153:4;
193:22;196: 12;197:18;
202:1 ;207: 13;208:2
sorts (1)
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63:2;79:24; 126:6;
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source (8)
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200:1
SP/PTS (1)
198:18
space (3)
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148:3; 199:10
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48: 3; 11 0:22;174:19,
24;175:5;216:12
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117:1
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specifics (5)
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speculate (1)
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speculation {1)
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speculative (1)
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speed (1)
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27: 12;33:21;65:18;
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123:12,21 ;124:2;212:9,
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123:10;161:3
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110:8
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104:18;148:22
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44: 13; 137:3;194: 10 Steve (3) 215: 1;216:4;217: 14
standard (8) 9:6,16;189:25 student's (1)
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78:20; 197:6; 198: 16; 29:10;93:4 students' (1)
204:6 Sticky (1) 217:19
standing (1) 196:23 studied (1)
110:3 still (10) 30:24
staple (2) 65:20;87:12,12;88: 11; studies (5)
179:1,3 96: 16; 123 :6; 132:1; 18:24;31: 10; 157:9;
stapled (1) 160: 13;196:24;215:15 180:9;187:10
57:5 stipulate (1) study (9)
stapler (1) 9:3 30:25; 127: 18,18; 128:5,
1 03: 11 stop (5) 6;185:7;214:3,5;217: 11
star (1) 18:4;64:20; 142:10,13; studying (2)
98:4 200:25 70:8;177:2
start (5) stored (1) stuff (1)
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144:15;193:5 stories (3) stumbling (1)
started (14) 100:22,23; 183:21 112:15
25:3;31: 1 ;32:8;45: 16; story (2) subheading (1)
46:5;65: 13, 17;66:8;95:4, 95:1;208:12 118:25
17;96:9,19;144:16;148:8 straight (8) subject (3)
startled (1) 19: 14;20:6; 110:4; 76: 14; 149:23; 151:23
135:7 112: 12; 113:1 0; 126:4; subjects (1)
starts (3) 182:25;204: 16 71:1
116:22; 144:24; 194:19 strain (1) sublicenses (1)
state (3) 153:8 58:8
95:2;125:8;148:11 stream (4) submission (7)
stated (1) 33:3,8,13,15 12:24,25 ;3 7:25 ;58: 6;
186:12 stream-back (1) 145:12,17,18
statement (16) 33:4 submissions (9)
27:23;37: 17;41 :5,7; Street (4) 11: II ;34: 13,16;38: 14,
45: 19;56:21 ;97:4; 62: 11;89:20;90: 1; 14;39:3;55:22; 101 :4;
112:24;136:24; 138:21; 109:21 152:3
151: 14,17;152:4;177:25; stresses (1) submitted (6)
178: 11;208:10 220:17 11: 16;37: 16;45: 19;
statements (9) stressful (2) 55:21;98:5,21
52:4; 107: 18; 138:12, 15, 217:9,14 subordinate (2)
24;140: 12; 156:17;161 :8; stressing (2) 58:7,7
177:11 138:8,18 subsequent (1)
States (5) strike (1) 89:22
59:11 ;60:2,3,6;85:22 134:5 subsequently (2)
status (41) strong (3) 38:19;183:10
56:11;62:5;80:11,25; 131 :5; 153:7; 177:4 subsidiaries (1)
81:7,23;83:9,9,17;85:23; stronger (4) 58:6
86:6,22, 22;87 :2,3 ,3 ,8; 78:2; 124:23; 132:21; sub-social (1)
88:5,8, 12, 16,20,23;89:2, 177:11 149:16
4,7,7;90:7, 12;92:3; structure (4) substance (3)
145:13, 15;146: 15,16; 28:6;52: 18;78: 16; 53:17;220:5,9
158:15,24,24,25;159:7, 139:3 substantiate (1)
10,14 struggle (1) 140:19
stay (6) 178:21 subverts (1)
49:25;50:1;67:21; struggling (1) 199: I
147:2; 170: 14;220:3 139:25 success (8)
steep (2) Stuart (1) 96:24;97: 11, 15,16, 18;
17:3,6 173:11 115:9; 151 :24;157: 10
stem {2) student (7) suddenly (1)
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8:5;9:11;10:15;178:12; students (12) 76:24
180:11 32:3;44: 16;66: 18; sued (2)
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suggested (1)
51:20
suggesting (1)
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suggestion (1)
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sum (2)
158:14;205:9
summarize (2)
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summarized (1)
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158: I 0; 162:6; 166:1
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202:4
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108:17;109:15;110:16;
111 :2;114:22; 116:9, 19;
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148:3; 152:15;156:22;
158:6, 16; 162:24; 163 :2,6;
167:4; 169:2,2; 170:11 ,22;
171:3,6, 10;172:7; 173:2,
3;174:4,5;175:3,3; 179:4;
188: 16; 189:6;192:12;
193:24; 196:2, 13;197:22;
198:8,8;204:4;208:25;
210:21;211 :14;212:24;
221:6
surely (1)
173:1
surface (1)
208:11
surprise (3)
61:22; 105:20;178: 12
surprised (5)
18:13 ;62: 18; 109:1;
167:12;221:3
surveillance (1)
187:11
survival (9)
118:23;119:4,22,24;
121 :9,10;122:2,4,4
survive (4)
118:18,19,23;119:1
Susan (I)
187:10
Swap (I)
57:4
swear (1)
9:8
switched (1)
114: 14
switching (1)
19:20
Syracuse (1)
183:5
system ( 6)
4 7: 16;60:4, 15 ;80:9;
128:3;180:20
systematic (3)
139:3;156:5,14
systematically (1)
156:8
systems (1)
128:6
T
tabbed (1)
15:23
table (2)
145:19;182:5
tabs (1)
15:24
talented (I)
119:8
talk (38)
1\[ in-t.:-Script®
29:2,6;50:16;63:7,11, 37:22; 151 :10,24; 16;76:6,12,16; 100:24;
14;65:2,3;66:24;71: 18; 203:19;205:6,-1 5;211:18 128: 18,20; 130:5; 132:25;
77:15, 18;79:22;90: 18,24; teens (I) 134:9;139:20;220:23;
102: 19;104: 10;110:5; 180:22 221:4
112:8;118:11;124:9; Tel (2) testifying (1)
128:25; 131: 16; 132:2; 177:9,9 86:19
137: 14;141: 17;142:25; telephone (3) testifyN arconon (1)
143:6;150:6,9; 151 :6; 27: 12;43: 1;215: 12 28:5
152: 12;163:3; 174: 15; telling (4) Testimonies (2)
175: 12;192: 19;193:21; 67: 14;79:24;114:5; 35:14;45:7
196:18 137:3 testimony (9)
talked (35) temperate (2) 27:25;34: 11;68:24;
23:6,9;71: 14;90:14; 209:22,23 126:24;140:21; 141: 12;
100:18, 19,19; 103: 10; ten (I2) 172: 15;174:1;183 :23
111:10;112:11;114:15; 27:6,11;47:1;52:23; testing (1)
116: 16;120:20;121 :3; 53:1 ;54: 19,25;70:5; 156:8
123:6; 125:22; 126:6,9; 106:7, 18;166:22;219:4 testings (1)
141 :24; 142: 16;143: 17; tenet (2) 95:23
145:24;147:9; 149:1; 200:5;201 :5 tests (4)
155:7; 157: 17,19;158:8; tenets (1) 95:25; 152:8;155:9, 10
161: 13;162: 15;165:5; 208:17 thanks (4)
167:3;214: 15,16,22 tenure (6) 26: 18;179:4;189:5;
talking (18) 33:3,4,8,13,15,16 . 221:9
13:23;19:5;27: 12;48:7; tenured (1) theology (2)
71: 1 ;77:6; 105:4; 107:7; 185:3 186:22;187:10
121 :22;129: 17;136:5; ten-volume (1) theories (1)
140:2; 149:22;155: 18; 219:5 181:8
156:3;161 :3;180:7;195:5 term (24) Therapeutic (3)
talks (10) 14:4; 17:6;32:19;72:9; 154:20;193:6, 7
78:24;115: 19;118:3,5; 79:2;114:16; 116:24; therapy {2)
123:21 ;138: 16;153: 13; 119:9;120:7;131 :18; 50:3; 149:15
180:15;184:11;195:19 134: 16;174:21 ;175:6; there'd (1)
target (3) 193: 16;196: 1,1;200: I ; 157:23
194:6,7;199:2 202: 15;204:1 0;205:6,9, therefore (1)
tax (10) 13;211: 19;212:2 138:4
55:24;60:7;62: 14,23, terminology (I) There'll (1)
25;81 :24;82:4,9,21 ;86:23 85: 11 109:21
taxes (4) terms (59) thereof (1)
61:7;87:8, 11;89:7 13: 14,17;14:2,5,14, 15, 58:8
tax-exempt (10) 23; 18:24;19: 17;25: 16; there're (2)
55:24;56: 14;59: 16,22; 26:20;48: 12;54:4;55:5; 143:4;210:6
60:9;87:2;88:5;89:7,9; 62: 19;63:3;68:20;69:3; there'smore (1)
92:3 73:2,18;80:22;89:8; 161:23
T-E (1) 97:23;98: 16,22;99: 13; Thereupon (16)
205:22 108:7; 109:5;114: 14; 8:1;57:24;68:3;72: 14;
teaching (6) 116:17;117:25;122:3; 85:4; 103:5; 122:25;
31: 13,25;32:6;33: 17; 126:3,16, 17; 127: 12, 19; 143: 18; 163: 13; 169:10,
192:21;220:1 128:7; 131 :7;132:25; 13;170: 1;171:17;173:21;
teachings (3) 140:2;145:24;150:2,10; 209:8;215: 11
192:3,18;202:20 152:9; 156:7; 157:3; Thetan (1)
tech (3) 181 :9;186: 13;192: 11,14, 79:2
201: 6;205 :20,21 14;198:17;214:3;215: 1; T-H-E-T-A-N (1)
T-E-C-H (1) 219:18;220:5, 9, 15 79:3
205:22 terribly (1) thinking (5)
technical (2) 36:18 83: 18; 122:3;140: 15;
32: 19;206:9 test (4) 144:17;207:10
techniques (9) 102: 13; 109:22,23,25 third (3)
96:2; 124:24; 126:3, 12; testified (7) 17:7; 116:24; 137:20
135: 1;136: 14;192:1; 9: 13;44:24;47:5,7; Thomas (1)
201:2;205:10 68:8;146:8,10 184:22
technologies (1) testify (20) though (8)
58:11 9:24;22: 18;28:24; 65:8;70: 14;83: 11;
Technology (7) 37:16;44:22;47:9;51 :2, 85:25; 158:20; 177: 14;
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thought (19)
14: 25; 19:24;20:3;
24:11 ;36: 12;41 :6;52: 13;
74:4;92: 17; 105: 13;
113:5;117:2;141:18;
144:1 0;174:23;182: 19;
184:25;197:10,10
Three (7)
16:22;30:9;31 :23,23;
46:25;201: 10;209: I
throughout (2)
88:18;97:2
throw (1)
158:20
thrust (1)
171:4
Thus (1)
58:12
tick (1)
35:15
tie (1)
126:2
times (7)
32: 11;46:23; 158: 12;
163:20;170:25;171:1;
174:23
tiny (I)
33:22
tire (I)
102:1
tissues (1)
112:2
title (2)
182:1;200:4
titled (1)
193:6
today (10)
9:23;56:6;71: 1 ;80: 19;
117: 16; 149: 11;150: 18;
151:20;165:5; 167:3
together (1)
174:15
told (7)
48: 18;64:7;70:24;
71 : 15; 120:23;121: 17;
159:16
Tom (2)
43:3,10
tone (1)
177:13
took (5)
24:25;25:6;26:2;82:25;
207:15
tool (2)
102:15;109:20
top (3)
16:3;115:7;122:5
total (4)
26:9;158: 14;203:20;
205:9
touch (8)
18:2,3;36: 17; 124:1;
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161:4; 196: 19;197:15;
198:3
touched (3)
35:6, 15;124:20
touches (1)
122:14
touching (1)
198:4
Touretzky (1)
I77:4
toward (3)
113:4;119:15;150:23
towards (2)
138:10;195:9
TR (12)
14:12; 16:9;17: 17;93:6;
154:20;193:6,7,17,20,21'
24;194:2
TR5 (2)
I6:11;93:11
TR6(2)
16:1 1, 12
TR6b (2)
195:20,22
TR8 (2)
I95:25,25
TR9 (3)
I95:19, 19,21
tractor (2)
196:I9, 19
trademarked (I)
70:17
traditional (1)
152:11
trained (3)
130:21 ;213: 14,15
training (27)
I6:8,9;28:3;50: I8;
71:21 ,25;93:7,12,13,15,
21 ;94:5,9;95: 11;98:22;
129:7; 137:6;142:6;
193:14;194:16;197:11,
13,I6;213:8,10;216: 12;
217:2
transferred (1)
I24:25
transmitting (1)
199:11
transnational (1)
78:9
TR-as (1)
194:5
traumatic (1)
195:7
treasonous (2)
115:21, 21
treat (1)
81:24
treating (3)
60:1;82:1;89:8
treatment (2)
49:4;209: 14
treatments (1)
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135:20 136:4,7;139:3; 156:14,25; 59: 11;60:2,3,6;85:22
tremendous (1) 157:25;175:23; 181 :5,7; universe (3)
152:6 185: 19;187: 15; 194:5; 29:18;117:1;119:3
trial (20) 2I4: 1 university (19)
27:25;51: 16;64: 12; turned (1) 13: 14;14:9;30: I ;31 :22;
107:21; 108:3;126:24; 183:3 32:24;33:5,5,7, 14,17;
133: 1;141:20,24; 149:24, twice (2) 63:22;75:23;177:9;178:4,
25; 150: 18; 154:5; 159:22; 27:1;44:14 7;180: 10; 183:4,5; 185:9
162: 16; 165:3; 167: 13,18; twin (3) university-appointed (1)
192: 13;208: 19 196:1, 1;198:1 I86: 1
trials (1) two (39) university's (1)
166:16 15:24;I7:16;26:20; 22:3
tried (5) 27:1 ;30:6, 16,18,20,24; unless (6)
Il:I7;53:1I;86:25; 32:25 ;36: 14;3 7:6;40:22; 63:25; I49:21 ;152: 19,
142:3;I53:25 46:25;74:4;98: 14; 101 :3; 19;173: 12;206: I
tries (1) I 03 :9;110: 16;117:4; unnecessary (1)
131:19 118:8;122: 10; 138:7; 24:13
trip (1) 155: 18; 156: 13; 160: 18; unpleasant (1)
27:1 161:10; 164:5;171:5; 184:3
trips (1) 172: 17; 176:4;178:9; unrelated (2)
184:10 I80: 16; 182:23; 188:4; 2I9:2,6
trouble (9) 206:8;207: 16;214:13,15 unresolved (1)
I9:I6;53:13;97:I; two-year (1) 133:10
113: 13; 198:16;200:5,17; 32:18 unusual (1)
20 1:9;216:8 type (14) 128:6
TRs (18) 20:22;25: 13;34:3; up (76)
14:II , l1;16: 13;17:21; 46:23;50:22;54: 19; 11: I,5; 17: 14,20,25;
93:9;112:22;113:7; 62:20;77:3;81 :I9; 19: 13;25:6,7,7,23;26:5,
136:25; 193: 12,13; 112: I7; 129: 19;I40:7; 13;29: 15;33:7, 13,24,25;
194: 16,23;195:5,9,12,14, 161:2;2I7:8 41 :4,9,19;42: 10;43: 13;
I5,16 typed (2) 48: 13;65:8;68:6;71: 13;
TRs-well (1) 19:9;41:9 86:7;95: 15;97:2,5;1 04:6;
194:4 types (2) I12:3, 16;113:5; 114:23,
true (54) 53:25;220:18 25;116:2; 120:3,10,12, 19;
30: 19;34:23;48:22; I22:8; I26:2; 127:4;
49: 11;50:4;51:24;56:5; u 129:9; 133:20; I37: 3;
59: 17;65: 11, 19;69:23; 147: 17, 19,20; 149:4,5,10,
81:9, 12;82: 16;88:2,17; ultimate (1) 24,24;150:21 ;151: 11;
89:10;91 :13, 16;94: 15, 18; 90:10 152:9,20; 154:4;I55:2;
97:25; 102: 13;105: 16; ultimately (2) 163 :20; 164:22; 172:1;
109: I0;124:9; 125:4,16, 80:20;92:8 181 :2I ;I94: 10,10, 13,13;
20; 126: 15,22; 127: 17; um(1) 197:9; 198:2, 6;202:5;
128:5;13 1 :16;133:6, 15; 20:13 215: I6;216:4;221 :3
138:6,25; 146: 14; 148: 11; unclear (2) upon (55)
150:19,19;155:21; 20:19;6I:2 18:9;19:21 ;24:6;29: 15;
157: 18; 165:8;171 :25; uncommon (1) 35:6;39: 14;40:9;56:23;
172: 14,19; 173:25; 123:25 64:2,6;68:9, 16,19;76:3,
187: 16;189:2;203:3; under (8) 12; 77 :22;79: 18,20;83 :6,
218:15;219:6 8:21;35:13;80:1,4,I1; 10, 16;84:3;85:23;86:2,6,
trumps (1) 118:21 ;196:8;200:4 18;87:2;88:5,12, 16,20;
78:15 undergraduate (1) 89:2;92:24;98:23;102:7;
Trust (1) 30:1 108:8; 124:20; 126: 15;
58:15 underling (1) 127:2,21,21 ;142:23;
try (16) 207:13 145: 10; 146:3; 147:I1;
32: 15;49: 15;52:13; understood (2) 150:16;152:10;155:11,
54:17;116:2;138:9; 10:9;150:14 24; 158: 17; 160: 15;
154:7; 157:6; 174: 19,25; unfolded (2) 164: 11, 19;192:6;203:16
176: 14; 177: 12; 184:25; 37:1;80:22 upper (3)
186:25;201 :22;218:10 unfortunately (1) 38:7; 117:3;138: 12
trying (25) 144:14 upper-level (1)
26:9;40:8;67: 11 ;85: 17; unit (3) 116:18
99:9,17; 101 :22,23;105:2; 36:9,10,13 Ups (5)
114: 15; 132: 14; 135: 12; United (5) 19: 13;I13: 1 0; 198: I 0;
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upshot (1)
59:20
urge (3)
118: 18, 19;119:I5
urged (1)
118:4
use (31)
17: 18;24:13;40:23;
52:23;55:3;58:9;64: 1;
76:11 ;78: 1 ;98:2; 108: 13;
114: 16; 116:24;119: 10;
120:9;135:4; 139:17;
144: I ; 15 8: 18; 163: I7;
168: I3; I86: I8;200:1;
203: 19;204: I2,13, 13;
210:19,24;211:19;21 8:4
used (24)
8: 16;40:9;72:22;74: 18;
75:5;79:8;97:24;98:8,19;
104:21 ;107: 16;109: 14,
20,24,25;114:9;116:23;
174:20,24; 175:6; 177:6;
196:18;205:13;211:22
used-the (1)
I14: 17
useful (3)
15:2;1I2:25;197:8
uses (9)
52:21;87:14;115:4;
126: 12; 138:8,9; 152:1 ,2;
193:16
using (15)
16:23;45: 16;46:5;
70:16;86:7;88:11;96:21;
I 09:5,7; 110:22; 121:9;
I35: 18; 177:5;203: 17;
205:8
usually (2)
32:21;216:6
v
vague (1)
145:14
vaguest (1)
145:24
valid (2)
220:10,13
value (5)
111:18;135:2,1 0;
147:18;151:12
values (11)
19:20,22,24;20: 1 0;
114:11 ,13,23;118:2;
136:22;220: 1 '16
var (1)
102:24
variation (5)
109:25; 197:21;203:3,6,
8
variations (3)
109:20;1 1 0: 1; 197:25
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102:24
various (12)
32:11;38:9;39:2;43:8;
62:7,13;82:6;111:18;
115: 13;135:20;187:5;
216:9
vast (4)
28:2;71:20;137:5;
142:5
Vegas (1)
45:15
verify (1)
14: 14
version (9)
73:14, 14, 15;74:9;
80:24;93: 1; 113: 17;
116:8;179:13
versions (1)
168:14
versus (13)
35: 10, 18;37: I4)23;
38:3;4 I: 19;42: 13,24;
43:17,25;86: 19; 146: 17;
212: l 0
veterinarian (1)
42:4
veterinary (1)
42:3
via (1)
215:11
view (4)
187:17,19, 19,21
views (1)
177:15
VIII-2 (1)
58:23
violated (1)
42:8
violations (1)
38: 10
vision (1)
135:1
visions (1)
138:20
visitation (2)
36:4;40:21
vitamin (2)
50:3;111:24
vitamins (2)
111:22;154:12
vocal(2)
176:18,25
w
waiver (1)
8:11
Wales (1)
183:11
walking (3)
198:1,3,5
wall (10)
l\:lin-C -Script@
18:2,2;62: 11 ;89:20; 72: 17;77:23;80:22,22; Wollersheim (1)
90:1 ;197: 14, 15, 15; 198:2, 87:25;89: 19;90:2 1 ;95:9; 38:4
6 107:3; 112:1 1 ;113:7; Woods (2)
Walton (1) 116:19;123:10;132:11; 37: 13;43:18
32:20 137:1,2, 12; 141 :4;150:24; word (19)
was-and (1) 153: 12;171 :20; 193: 15; 17:8, 8,12;81:17;
208:6 197:18;203:3 112:15;119:10;165:15;
Washington (2) whatsoever (2) 174:19,21 ;201:11, 12,19;
92:12, 13 49:3;70:25 211: 18, 21,22;212:5;
waste (1) whole (11) 214:24;215:2;216:5
160:23 37:9;53: 17;97:2; wording (1)
Watch (2) 108:23; 114: 12; 137:9; 94:7
179:1,3 138:11; 139: 16; 174:22; words (11)
Waterloo (6) 184:6; 195:22 17: 14;50:5;82:5; 125:7,
33:5,11 ; 178:4,5, 7; who's (7) 17;138: 17; 139:25; 177:5;
180:10 113 :21; 115:20; 174:7; 204: 12;216:7;218:7
way (66) 177: 1,8; 180:8; 184:23 work (36)
10:6;12: 10; 13:25; whose (1) 11:10;24: 13;27:7;31:6;
15:23 ;20:2,6;21 :23; 74:24 33: 18;34:3;39: 13;42:2;
22:24;56: 1;58: 18;59: l; widely (2) 51 :8;64:24;66:8;71: 13;
61 :22;67:2;72:5;80: 10, 18:15,18 109:25;110:1;115:5,7;
l3;83:I ;84: 17;97:9; Wikipedia (2) 119:24; 157:3;165: I 1;
100:2; I05:22;109: 12; 77:2,5 166:20;175:24;179: 17;
110:6;114:19,24; 116:3,5, wild (1) 181:10;182: 19;183: 16;
6,9;124: 13;132:3; 134:7; 33:25 185: 11;186:2,4,21;187: I ,
135: 13,21; 137:22,25; William (2) 4,5,8,12,24; 199:9
138: 13,23; 139: 1; 150: 10; 95:3;148:6 worked (5)
156:5;175:24;176:21; Williams (3) 18:14;23: 12;30:8;36:9;
200:24;20 1: 1 ;206: 14,17' 46:3;172:20;174:2 75:24
18;207:2;208: 12;209:21; Wilson (1) working (7)
210:8,12;212:3,18,22; 37:14 26: 10;36: 15;136: 10,
217:4,5,6, 15;218: I, 17,20; wind (2) l 0; 196: 11,20;202:9
219:19,20;220:11 86:7;95:24 workplace (3)
ways (8) wins (1) 42:3,6;44: 10
38: 12;86:25; 113:5,6; 120:9 works (17)
114:8,19;139:4;177:2 WISE (3) 18:9;94:17; 125:2,8, 19,
weak (1) 45: 11,16;46:2 23;126:8, 14,16; 132:18,
110:8 'vithdraw (1) 19; 137: 17; 141:16;
we!J (10) 220:20 146:23;160: I ,8, 15
14:1 ,3,4 ,7, 13;34: 19; withholding (1) World (5)
62: 13;17I :23; 172:1,8 120:19 4 1 :25; 149: 16; 176: 19;
weed (1) withholds (7) 187: 14,1 8
26:24 120:3,6, 10,12,17,18; worse (2)
weeding (1) 165:17 186:23;199:12
26:24 within (7) worth (1)
weight (2) 106:7, 18;143:25; 122:1
188:5;195:22 157:7;159: 12;192:2,19 write {12)
well-being (1) without (5) 26: 16;85: 13; 115: I 0;
151:22 74:4;118:20;135: 18; 120:2,3,9, 12, 19; 179:11,
well-educated (1) 203: 16;207: 15 ll ;202:5;210:4
186:14 witness (37) write-ups (1)
well-known (2) 9:20; 15: 17;37: 16; 202:13
193:24;207:8 40:14;44:1 2,13;57: 11, 15, writing (3)
weren't (2) 18;58: 1;59:7;74: 14;85:6; 27: 17;120: 10;183:2
141:11;192:7 90:4;94:4;108: 12; 117:11' writings (8)
whatnot (4) 15,20; 142:2;143: 12; 95:20;125: 14;150:5;
50: 17; 116: 14;152: 8; 144:23; 145:1 ;160:5; 165:19;174: 11;202:25;
192:25 161: 16;162: 18; 163: 16; 203:2;207:9
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