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S khc nhau gia SCADA v DCS ?

Toi mo topic nay mong ai quan tam tra loi giup. CH TNG T: Scada Dnh Cho Ngi Bt u Cng nhau tho lun v gii php IP trong h thng SCADA Vit phm mm SCADA s dng VC# SCADA v DCS Ci nhau trn din n! Ni shock nhau, hay hay ko??

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SCADA v DCS
DCS (Distributed Control System - H thng iu khin phn tn) -H thng iu khin phn tn da trn cc phn cng v phn mm iu khin v thu thp d liu trn c s 1 ng truyn thng tin tc cao, cc

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module c phn tn v t chc theo 1 cu trc nht nh vi mt chc nng v nhim v ring. Cc thit b giao tip trn ng truyn tc cao ny cho php ghp ni d dng vi cc b PLC, Controller , cc my tnh iu khin gim st khc. - Cc chc nng iu khin c phn b khp h thng thay v x l tp trung trn mt my tnh n l. Mt h thng DCS tiu biu c cc trm iu khin hot ng c lp v iu khin tng b phn chuyn dng ca nh my... - Kh nng x l tn hiu tng t v chy cc trnh t phc tp l th mnh ca h thng DCS SCADA (Supervisory Control And Data Acquisition - H thng iu khin gim st v thu thp d liu) - C th hiu SCADA l h thng dng trong cc ng dng iu khin qu trnh,cng nghip ha cht, truyn ti in nng.. n da trn 1 my tnh x l trung tm (my ch) , d liu thu thp t cc cm bin t ti cc phn xng, cc ta nh,.. hay cc trm t xa c gi v my tnh trung tm qun l v iu khin ( vi 1 s lng hn ch cc lnh iu khin c nh ngha trc, gi ti cc c cu chp hnh).

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* SCADA c th iu khin c tt c? Khng! SCADA khng c chc nng iu khin t ng. * SCADA lun l mt h ln? Khng nht thit * SCADA > DCS hay DCS > SCADA? Mt h SCADA l mt H NG DNG Mt DCS l mt SN PHM, MT GII PHP NG DNG SCADA l mt chc nng thnh phn trong mt gii php DCS Khng phi h SCADA no cng c xy dng trn c s DCS * PLC + SCADA/HMI = DCS? Mt h iu khin phn tn (theo ngha rng) c th xy dng trn c s PLC + SCADA/HMI Tuy nhin DCS # PLC + SCADA/HMI

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Nghe cc bc ni v SCADA em hiu thm nhiu nhng li thy c nhiu ci khng ng. + Th nht: Nu ni h thng SCADA khng c kh nng iu khin t ng l khng hon ton chnh xc. SCADA l vit tt qu Supervisory Control And Data Acquisition tc l mt h thng c cc chc nng chnh: iu khin, gim st v thu thp d liu. Thng thng mt h thng SCADA c iu khin v gim st tp trung ti cc phng iu khin trung tm. Ngi iu hnh h thng s gim st hot ng v can thip khi cc s c xy ra. + Th hai :Nu ni rng trong h thng SCADA thng tin c thu thp t cm bin gi v phng iu khin trung tm li cng sai. Hu ht cc thng tin c s l trc tip bi cc b iu khin, y c th l cc RTU hoc PLC. ng thi cc thit b ny gi cc thng tin v phng iu khin trung tm qua cc mng cng nghip. + Th ba : Phn mm HMI "giao din ngi my" nghe kh bun ci ny thng ci trn cc my tnh phng iu khin trung tm xong li c th ci t trn cc thit b chuyn dng t trc tip ti cc phn xng.

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28-09-05 16:07

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Scada
kin ca NANOROBO khng hn l khng c c s, tuy th khi a ra mt nh ngha khi qut th c th khi c ta s cm thy cha r nhng ko th ni l sai. Trong h SCADA v nguyn tc s c 2 loi thit b : MTU (Master Terminal Unit) v RTU (Remote Terminal). Thng thng MTU t trung tm, n c th l my tnh vi phn cng v phn mm chuyn dng nhn d liu qu trnh t cc trm xa, hoc n c th l mt thit b Master (mt dng Controller) lm nhim v thu thp d liu v iu khin c phn truyn thng vi my tnh ch. Cc cm bin hay c cu chp hnh trong h thng mng cng nghip ni chung v trong cc h thng SCADA s c ghp ni vi RTU hay PLC thc hin mt qu trnh iu khin theo mt thut ton nht nh. ng thi d liu thu thp c (dng s) s c truyn v trung tm theo h thng mng truyn thng. Cc MTU nhn d liu t RTU, ng thi ng vai tr gi cc tham s, cc lnh iu khin (vi s lng hn ch) t my tnh ch ti RTU iu khin cc c cu chp hnh.

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to NANOROBO + KT y l trc tip cp trng, vi h SCADA tn hiu a v Trung tm K (NCC), sau o mi a lnh xung iu khin -> vic a lnh do ngi iu hnh hay lp trnh -> cng ko th gi l KT c + Khng nn a nhng m hnh na SCADA na DCS phn tch, hy xem li cc nh ngha, khi

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nim ... + Phn mm Console ti trm ch dng cu hnh, test, np CSDL... khc hn vi Console trung tm iu khin...m thot nhn c tng ging nhau
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Chao cac bac Em thay cac bac trao doi ve phan nay nen em cung muon tham gia theo em biet thi SCADA la he thong ca chuc nang dieu khien giam sat va thu thap du lieu dung nhu ten goi cua no. Nhung hien nay co rat nhieu he thong SCADA nhung duoc goi voi cai ten khac. SCADA bay gio chi la mot thuat ngu duoc quen dung thoi Mot he thong SCADA khong co chuc nang dieu khien co so do do no khong the la mot he DCS duoc SCADA co the co chuc nang dieu khien cao cap ( nhu dieu khien trinh tu, dieu khien theo me ...) Mot he DCS thi luon co chuc nang SCADA DCS cung nhu SCADA den bay gio chi la nhung thuat ngu ma nguoi ta quen dung chu chi dua vao thuat ngu nay ma suy ra chuc nang cua no thi khong dung chut nao Mot so he thong co cau truc DCS nhu :Centum3000(yokogawa), PCS7(Seimens), advan_OCS(ABB),...

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a lu bn bu cng vic ln khng vo tham gia tho lun cng cc bc c, tht c li! Thc t khi tham kho mt s ti liu c trong nc v nc ngoi th i kh chng ta cng nhn thy s khc nhau trong quan nim v mt h thng. V d trong tp ch "t ng ha ngy nay" tng c bi vit cho rng SCADA = PLC + PC, c nhng

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kin phn bc li bi vit ny. Cn cc bc c kin g v m hnh ny:

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Chu de muon thuo Cai de tai tai nay no cung hay, nhin chung cac bac moi nguoi deu co y dung het ca rui, neu tong hop lai thi se co dap an dung. Tuy nhien tui cung la mot nguoi thich tim hieu DCS ( khong co nghia la da hieu het DCS va dang muon hoc hoi them).neu chi dua vao tieu chi ' phan tan ' thi cung thay duoc het su khac biet roi, nao la dieu khien phan tan, thu thap phan tan....Quan diem cua tui la nhin nhan tren goc do ky thuat chu khong di sau vao phan biet tap trung hay phan tan. Theo tui so sanh minh nen phan ra 2 tieu chi chinh de so sanh cho de. 1- To chuc Phan cung bao gom: + to chuc cau truc cua mang tu cap hien truong len den cap giam sat dieu khien. Vi du tu cap hien truong su dung loai BUS truong gi ?( profibus, mod bus ...), cap dieu khien giam sat dung loai bus truong gi ?(ethernet..). Tram van hanh gom co may tram, roi tram thiet ke, tram bao duong, tram kiem tra thu thap thiet bi tu xa... Roi ung voi moi giao thuc ay thi se co lop vat ly la gi ( vi du RS485 hay 4-20mA)..noi chung la kha nhieu va phuc tap. + Kha nang CPU ( toc do, bo nho....) quan ly so cac diem I/O vao ra cua he thong la bao nhieu?.. + Kha nng to chuc du phong cua he thong ( du phong nong cap do CPU, hoac ca I/O phan tan..) + Ngoai ra con mot so van de khac.... ( chua biet) + Toc do cau hinh cua may tinh giam sat... 2- To chuc phan mem.

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o day phan mem la tuong doi phuc tap . Xin man phep lai chia ra cach nhin nhan tren hai quan diem. 2.1- Quan diem nguoi su dung - Kha nang giam sat nhu the nao? - Kha nang can thiep ( dieu khien ) den doi tuong nhu the nao ? - Kha nang phat hien su co nhu the nao ? - Kha nang them bot diem do nhu the nao ? - Kha nng quan ly nhu the nao ? - Kha nng p ng thoi gian thuc nhu the nao ?va .... 2.2 - Quan diem nguoi thiet ke - Ngon ngu lap trinh va moi truong thiet ke cho phan giao dien he thong va doi tuong. - Ngon ngu lap trinh va moi truong thiet ke cho chuong trinh o CPU ( co the hieu la mot PLC hoac mot FCS) - To chuc va cach thuc lien ket du lieu giua mot ham (function) duoc lap o PLC va mot doi tuong giao dien duoc thiet ke o phan gaio dien nhu the nao. - Cho phep thiet ke theo huong doi tuong hay khong ? vi du o DCS no se cho phep chung ta thiet ke 1 Dongco la mot doi tuong , va doi tuong Dongco se co nhieu thuoc tinh( faceplate, trend, value,setpoint...) va khi lap trinh thi chi se ket noi cac thuoc tinh voi cac doi tuong nay voi nhau. Con o scada neu dung VISUAL BASIC de thiet ke giao dien thi tu lap cac doi tuong se rat phuc tap va mat thoi gian. -To chuc co so du lieu theo kieu phan tan hay tap trung ? ( khai niem nay trong he thong DCSIIT/ABB da noi rat ro) Theo toi day la mot tieu chi cuc ky quan trong tao nen su khac biet. Co nhu vay thi cac CPU duoc dat phan tan. nhung voi hinh thuc to chuc co so du lieu nhu vay moi trao doi, chia se thong tin va thoa man yeu cau dieu khien phan tan. va nhu vay se dan den kha nang quan ly so I/O tang len. BAn cu tuong tuong o he SCADA tat ca du lieu ban thu thap ve mot CPU xu li thi ro rang se mat nhiu thoi gian hon va kha nag quan ly so I/O han che hon so voi phan tan. - Kem theo cac van de tran la xuat hien goi phan men OPC ( OLE process control) - Roi kha nang bao mat he thong o cap tren( cho phep noi ca internet) - Kha nang thiet ke pha giao dien nhung hay khong ? ( vi du nhu he CENTUM CS1000/CS3000, PCS7 ..thi se co tich hop trinh thiet ke giao dien, nhung IIT/ABB thi phan giao dien duoc nhung trong VB.).. -van van va .... rat nhieu van de khac nua. Ket luan: nhu vay theo cac tieu chi nhu tren thi ve to chuc phan cung cac bac da lam ro duoc roi. Tuy nhien em xin bo sung them: - Kha nag quan ly so I/O, so vong dieu khien cua DCS la hon so voi SCADA - Kha nng du phong o cap do FCS (CPU) cua DCS la manh hon SCADA - O DCS thi y nghia va phan biet pham vi su dung cua BUS truong va BUS dieu khien giam sat la thay

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ro , tat nhien trong he DCS van co thu thap du lieu tu cam bien bang hinh thuc 4-20mA. Con o SCADA thi hau het chua ro va su dung nhieu hinh thuc 4-20mA. - O DCS cac thiet bi hien truong phai la cac thiet bi truong thong minh thi he thong DCS moi dong bo va hoat dong co y nghia.Con o SCADA thi co the khong. - Va o DCS chuc nang cua tram thiet ke, tram van hanh da duoc phan biet ro. SCADA thi chua. thu 2 la phan mem. Phan nay thi cac bac cung cung xem xet voi tui. - Ro rang DCS da cap san moi truong de tao va lien ket cac doi tuong rat ro rang. SCADA thi con tuy truong hop. - O DCS khi mot doi tuong da thiet ke hoan chinh thi ngoai viec hien thi duoc cac thong so giam sat thi dieu khien doi tuong bao gio cung thong qua faceplate chuan: cho phep co 3 muc dieu khien, bang tay tai cho, bang tay tu may tinh, hoac tu dong. co the hien thi gia tri do tuc thoi, trend( do thi qua trinh..) cac canh bao..Con o scasda thi hau het chi hien thi giam sat, viec dieu khien cac doi tuong la do nguoi thiet ke tu lap theo mot so thich hoac tieu chi nao do. - O he DCS ro rang do co he thong BUS xuat hien kem theo cac giao thuc, cac phan mem chuan,toc do xu li cao cua CPU.. nen tinh thoi gian thuc se duoc bao dam hon. - Va Co su du lieu to chuc duoi hinh thuc phan tan.( tui nghi day cung la mot van de hay cung la mot chu de moi cac bac tranh luan cho y kien.) - Va tong the la DCS cho chung ta nhieu thu hon. Hay hon , manh hon . do vay ung dung cho cac he thong lon, con SCADA thi cho he nho hon, nhung cung linh hoat va gia thanh thap hon. He he nhung thiet ke cac he scada nho cung co nhu cau rat nhieu o VN. Y kien tui chung chung vay!

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Cc bc ni ht ri, t ni thm mt cht na - SCADA: c nhn mnh "iu khin gim st" - DCS: c dng cho "iu khin qu trnh" Hai lnh vc ny c th ni l khng th em ra bn cn so snh c, ngy nay mt h thng t ng ln hu nh u tn ti c SCADA v DCS Cho thn i,

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