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By Syed Jaffer
By Syed Jaffer
He gave his life for the nuclear program. He was more for the peaceful use

He gave his life for the nuclear program. He was more for the peaceful use of the technology his argument was that since we don’t have fossil fuel and possibility of hydal-power, we have no option but to go for nuclear option. Sure he did some loose talk by saying that if there can be a Christian bomb, a Hindu bomb an atheist bomb and a Jew bomb why not an Islamic bomb. His program was a very ambitious one. By 1985 we were supposed to have three reactors at Karachi and coastal areas. Several more reactors were envisaged in Punjab and north, some of which were of fast breeder type and some were capable of desalination.

We were to have fuel refining and reprocessing plants also. We have in the north the necessary ore rich in the required element to be used as raw material what we would get at the end was complete nuclear fuel cycle. For the reprocessing plant we had a confirmed agreement with France. Not only the Americans got Bhutto hanged they also were able to get the foreign minister of France sacked. After hanging Bhutto, Zia did not peruse for the agreement with France and obeyed the Americans.

He took an oath. He died defending his oath, his country, and the constitution of his country. He could have bargained and lived a luxurious life in some so called kingdom. Riaz ul Khateeb and many-many more were here all along his trial to plead with the military dictator to take ZAB with them. Disobedience of Clause 6 of the constitution of Pakistan is high treason. It is said that ZAB declared at some occasion during the trial that “the dictator has no choice but to hang me if he does not I will hang him for high treason.” The problem with our country is that people at high places are willing to change oath at every turn of the event.

This book is collection of blogs at Orkut. The comments will help me add more information about the great leader who still lives in the hearts of his admirers. I can recall one speech of Mr. Bhutto when he makes a chain by his index fingers and says “me and my people are like this whether in love or hatred I will be in their hearts for generations to come”. These may not be exact words but this is what I remember.

Contents

01 bhuttos acheivements

02 East PakistanThe end game.pdf

03 was zulfi bhutto behind disintegeration of east pa.pdf

04 Bhutto's speech to the un.pdf

05 He was a GR8 man.pdf

06 Hail Ziaul Haq; Bhutto got what he deserved!.pdf

07 What's so special about Bhutto.pdf

08 Zulfi Bhutto - Quaid-e-Awam or Traitor.pdf

09 Need your few words abut Bhutto Sahab.pdf

10 Why is it all praise for Bhutto.pdf

11 Husna Shaikh.pdf

12 BENAZIR'S INTERVIEW ON JAWABDEH.pdf

13 Does Mussharraf deserve to govern the country.pdf

14 MUSHARAF

15 WHHT BAD THINGS HAVE U HEARD ABT ZULFIKAR ALI.pdf

pdf

BLAME

ZULFIQAR THAT!!!.pdf

topic: bhuttos acheivements

Flex

bhuttos acheivements

1/28/2006 6:10 AM

name any one of his acheivements?? i cant think of any anyone wanna share

of his acheivements?? i cant think of any anyone wanna share Umer 1/28/2006 10:03 PM chairman's

1/28/2006 10:03 PM chairman's biggest acievement waz dat he made masses aware of their rights unit da country after dacca fall

and he re

1/29/2006 4:22 AM Building of the much needed Steel Mill by acceptance of aid from

1/29/2006 4:22 AM Building of the much needed Steel Mill by acceptance of aid from USSR, the very backbone of a nation's construction.

the very backbone of a nation's construction. Faraz Flex 1/31/2006 3:22 AM only 2 acheivememnts WOW

1/31/2006 3:22 AM only 2 acheivememnts WOW thats alot NOTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

Sayed

1/31/2006 4:29 AM

He Made the people of this country understand POLITICS

he gave the concept of the power

of MASSES

He Gave us the Constitution

He strengthened the idea of Federation

He

gave us the Nuclear Dream

He gave us the Foreign Policy

He Gave us a Martyr

 
the Foreign Policy He Gave us a Martyr   Faysal ~ K Д mi- g™~ ♥

1/31/2006 4:37 AM he is the BIIGGEST ASS in the history of pakistani politics and that is what he did took all the money in his ass hole

1/31/2006 4:46 AM you r such a big LOSER Kami

1/31/2006 4:46 AM you r such a big LOSER Kami

4:46 AM you r such a big LOSER Kami Sayed Faysal Faraz kami Perhaps u wud

kami

Perhaps u wud like 2 elaborate y Bhutto is such a big 'asshole' and y u think he robbed

Pakistan of more treasures than any other politician?

2/1/2006 8:37 AM

or

do u just meant to spit at him just for the sake of hatred?

 

2/2/2006 11:24 AM He very cleverly managed to become an elected dictator.

He fooled our uneducated masses into believing that they were all actually going to get bread, clothes, and shelter!

Even the US, UK and other 1st world nations hav e not been able to

Even the US, UK and other 1st world nations have not been able to achieve this as yet, and here this son of a bitch actually got the ppl to think he was gonna do it.

 

Bhutto, as I have said repeatedly, was a man who came into power by fooling the masses. His only vision was to make this nation so dependent on him, that they could turn to nobody else. And of course he did want his family to take over and rule Pak politics for generations to come.

A genius, no doubt, unfortunately though, an evil one.

A genius, no doubt, unfortunately though, an evil one. Faraz 2/5/2006 3:12 AM fooling the people

2/5/2006 3:12 AM fooling the people into voting 4 him? hmmmm

that's

something new.

2/5/2006 4:39 AM no doubt Bhutto is better then others

2/5/2006 4:39 AM no doubt Bhutto is better then others

4:39 AM no doubt Bhutto is better then others Benazir ~ K Д mi- g™~ ♥

2/5/2006 8:54 AM

ok what was his achievment tell me one really gud one

listen

relationships with other countries well hello UNO

gr8 leader why was he hung after all

and

by the way if he was such a

u have some respect some social

u cant just speak ur shit in there

people

wake up i dont say oppose him but he is not to be treated like a GOD

i mean y

the hell any leader should be compared with mohammad ali jinnah

real discussion most welcome do communicate but i can not do if u r sum bhotto

worshiper

if

any one here wants a

damn

him

2/5/2006 1:23 PM shehzad kami wel said i hate bhutto now family are were and

2/5/2006 1:23 PM shehzad kami wel said i hate bhutto now family are were and always will be theives

but yes he got hanged thank God , bhutto and his

 

@ Sanaullah 2/6/2006 1:04 AM Listen sana-ullah why don't u pipe-down ure stupid little ass, you bastard son of a male prostitute. No one is swearing at u, so i'll adivse you to keep ure emotions to ureself, and perhaps give a second-thought to ure writing.

ureself, and perhaps give a second-thought to ure writing. Shehzad You said u wud kill any1

You said u wud kill any1 who spoke against bhutto--well guess what? THAT AINT GONNA HAPPEN.

You're not gonna kill any1, and ure not gonna swear at ny1.

Watch yourself pal! If u want to express ure love for bhutto (which i hope is hetrosexual), and jump up and down screaming 'bhutto zindabad', ure most welcome to do so. However, start watching the way u talk to ppl. No1 is in the mood to listen to ure bullshit, when he/she is having an imp, and mature discussion.

@STUPIDS 2/6/2006 3:26 AM

@STUPIDS 2/6/2006 3:26 AM

WHATEVER STUPIDS SAID I GIVE DAMN TO THEM, GEAY BHUTTO

BHUTTO

ZINDABAD!!!

REGARDS

KASHIF SARMAD

ZINDABAD!!! REGARDS KASHIF SARMAD Kashif Faraz Stop bitching u guys! 2/6/2006 5:52 AM So Shehzad u

Stop bitching u guys! 2/6/2006 5:52 AM

So Shehzad u don't like Bhutto, u dunno hell about history. plz perform an unbiased analysis on his era compared to the policies of his successors and predecessors n u might see y we r

in

things beyond ur comprehension.

favour of it

no

offense yaar, but u shud do that first before howling at the moon 'bout

Faraz

And Kami 2/6/2006 5:55 AM Just cause he was hanged, doesn't actually mean that he deserved it (deja'vu neone?)

He was hanged cause that ******* dictator Zia wanted to claim his seat and cause his policies had angered that piece-of-crap USA that wanted Pakistan to stay it's lap-dog.

USA that wa nted Pakistan to stay it's lap-dog. ~ K Д mi- g™~ ♥ !

2/6/2006 7:18 AM

faraz sahib u r talkin bout the god dam,n history of this country

we dont go to UNO for this kashmir problem

theek hai

up atom bomb???? economy common who am i takin to u dont even know any thing

just

tell me for what reason

and

by the way dont be a bitch of bhotto

and

talkin bout zia common wake

he is not ur PIYO he is an ass and just an ass

Faraz

2/7/2006 7:01 PM Bhutto's an ass! Happy Kami?

U can go all night banging ur goddamn head 'bout how Bhutto's an ass without ONCE giving

a reason 4 it. So keep humiliating urself

i'll

just sit by and enjoy.

keep humiliating urself i'll just sit by and enjoy. Kashif 2/8/2006 4:39 AM GUYS, I AM

2/8/2006 4:39 AM GUYS, I AM SHOCKED TO SEE INSANE BEHAVIOUR FROM YOU. I THINK WE MUST HAVE MANNERS REGARDING TO OUR COMMENTS. SAY WHATEVER YOU WANT TO BUT IT SHOULD REFLECT YOUR EDUCATION AND MANNERS. I AM SORRY TO SAY I HAVENT SEEN IT YET. PLZ COMMENT WTH FACTS AND FIGURES ABOUT ANYTHING & ANYONE. ABUSING DEAD PERSON IS IMMORAL ACT. PLZ AVIOD IT.

REGARDS

KASHIF SARMAD

Faraz Exacly my point Kashif! 2/8/2006 8:21 PM Some ppl here r going 'round screamin'
Faraz Exacly my point Kashif! 2/8/2006 8:21 PM Some ppl here r going 'round screamin'
Faraz Exacly my point Kashif! 2/8/2006 8:21 PM Some ppl here r going 'round screamin'

Exacly my point Kashif! 2/8/2006 8:21 PM Some ppl here r going 'round screamin' how Bhutto was so horrible without even once telling why that's so! We've got his achievements posted all over this community, Kami. Go take a look. If u still don't like Bhutto, that's ur call. But don't insult Bhutto without even knowing what he did in his era

still don't like Bhutto, that's ur call. Bu t don't insult Bhutto without even knowing what
still don't like Bhutto, that's ur call. Bu t don't insult Bhutto without even knowing what
still don't like Bhutto, that's ur call. Bu t don't insult Bhutto without even knowing what
insult Bhutto without even knowing what he did in his era ABDUL RAB 2/9/2006 10:27 AM

RAB

2/9/2006 10:27 AM

hi guyz, nice discussion going on, I think , I read all the veiws about Zulfiqar Ali bhutto, i am

not saying against anyone or how anyone thinks

one who gave us the respect, power in the world community, and the biggest of all achievments is '' Pakistan's Nuclear Power Plant'' and b/c of that we have standing in this world

but against all odds

I must say, he is the

byee

 

bhuttos acheivements

2/9/2006 10:31 AM

cute

ur

,,,and who balme on bhutto ,, i will compare them on tip of my foot who balme on greatest leader and revolutionist of the time, who said once at the top of white house ,, mr. kennedy white house is beneath of my fooot,, bhutto gives such a wonderful constitution , that no boday can even imgine of itt , bhutto makes pakisatni neaulear power ,,,other wise u will be on beaneath the foot of indians,, just think and talk ,, if u reads the history , and books , u will

every one r fooool and stupid , idoit and mean who dosent know acheivements of bhutto

see every truth ful person hangs on,, becaz , this world is the place of liars ,and hypocrate, truth ful can never be survive there

liars ,and hypocrate, truth ful can never be survive there Addy 2/9/2006 11:49 AM mehr &

2/9/2006 11:49 AM mehr & kami juz shut ur ass & do 1 thing go buy a cd of (Zulfikar Ali Bhutto history) u will

know every thing if u both hav a mind

_!_ brainless ppl

Taimur Bhuttos Achievements 2/9/2006 11:59 AM Economic Reforms Order Nationalisation of Key Industries - January

Bhuttos Achievements 2/9/2006 11:59 AM Economic Reforms Order Nationalisation of Key Industries - January 3, 1972 Announcement of Labour Policies - February 10, 1972 Workers would participate in Profits Old Age Pensions and Group Insurance Land Reforms - 1st March, 1973 Ceiling reduced from 500 Acres to 150 Acres of irrigated land and 1000 Acres to 300 Acres for semi-irrigated land. All lands in excess of 100 Acres allocated to Govt. Servants confiscated and redistributed. The Law Reform Ordinance - giving effect to the recommendations of the Law Reforms Commission. - 14th April, 1972 Martial Law Lifted 21st April, 1972 Simla Agreement Signed Pakistan to get back 5000 square miles of territory occupied in 1971 war. India and Pakistan to respect line of control in Kashmir without prejudice to Pakistan's claim. - 2nd July, 1972 National Book Foundation established - 24th September, 1972 Inaugurated Pakistan's first Nuclear Power Plant at Karachi. - 28th November, 1972 Establishment of NDFC - 5th February, 1973 Establishment of Quaid-E-Azam University - 9th February, 1973 Constitution of Pakistan passed unanimously - 12th April, 1973 Establishment of Port Qasim Authority - 27th June, 1973 Elected Prime Minister of Pakistan - 14th August, 1973 Identity Cards for Citizens - 28th July, 1973 Agreement for repatriation of 93,000 POWs - 28th August, 1973 Administrative Reforms Order - september, 1973 Laid Foundation Stone of Pakistan Steel Mill - 30th December, 1973 Nationalisation of Banks - 1st January, 1974 Establishment of Allama Iqbal Open University - 21st May, 1974 Islamic Summit at Lahore - 22 February, 1975 Inaugurated Pakistan's First Seerat Conference - 3rd March, 1976

Pakistan's First Seerat Conference - 3rd March, 1976 Taimur 2/9/2006 12:02 PM Bhutto's finest hour came

2/9/2006 12:02 PM Bhutto's finest hour came in the reconstruction of Pakistan after the traumatic dismemberment of Pakistan upon the fall of Dhaka on 16th December, 1971. He successfully put the derailed nation back on the track by rebuilding national institutions. His lasting achievement was the unanimous adoption of the Constitution in 1973. He established the Pakistan Steel Mills, Heavy Mechanical Complex Taxila, Port Qasim Authority, Quaid-e-Azam University, Allama Iqbal Open University, Karachi Nuclear Power Plant; thus, fortifying the prosperity, integrity and security of Pakistan. Using his experience as Foreign Minister, Bhutto cemented Pakistan's relation with Afro-Asian and Islamic countries and by 1976 had emerged as the Leader of the Third World. As an author, he brilliantly advocated the cause of hewers of wood and drawers of water of the Third World.

Bhutto was the founder of Pakistan's Nuclear Program. Under his guidance and leadership as Minister for Fuel, Power and Natural Resources, President and Prime Minister, Pakistan developed into the unique Muslim State with a nuclear capability for which he paid with his life. In his book "If I am Assassinated" written from the Death Cell, Zulfikar Ali Bhutto revealed how Kissinger had said "We will make an example of you". COMPARE THIS WITH WHATS HAPPENING TODAY. WHAT OUR RULERS DID AFTER BAJAUAR AND YOU WILL UNDERSTAND HOW BIG A LEADER HE WAS.

2/9/2006 12:04 PM Now can someone please tell me with facts and figures why should

2/9/2006 12:04 PM Now can someone please tell me with facts and figures why should we not love him? Please talk with some logic and facts.

Kashif 2/9/2006 10:30 PM HATS OFF TO TAIMUR BHAI! WELL DONE YAAR. REALLY THIS IS

2/9/2006 10:30 PM HATS OFF TO TAIMUR BHAI! WELL DONE YAAR. REALLY THIS IS IMPRESSIVE WORK DONE BY YOU MAN. KEEP IT UP.

REGARDS

KASHIF SARMAD

 

2/10/2006 6:50 AM so that clearly establishes Bhutto's credentials as gulliver in the land of lilliputians.

though, I see this merely as a list. it is the c onsequences of Gulliver's

though, I see this merely as a list. it is the consequences of Gulliver's actions that need to be debated. maybe we will get there someday.

 

till then,

shukran Taimoor. atleast the pms'ing pricks will go back to their hovels for a while.

s'ing pricks will go back to their hovels for a while. Wow Hi taimur, It's really

Wow

Hi taimur, It's really a great work.

2/10/2006 9:27 AM

I think now they will understand it.

thanks

RAB

 

take care

byee

2/12/2006 8:53 AM he made us nuclar power,steeel mill.hee introduced nationall identity card.islamic conference. and

2/12/2006 8:53 AM he made us nuclar power,steeel mill.hee introduced nationall identity card.islamic conference. and many others

 
card.islamic conference. and many others   Wasib Flex 2/12/2006 11:12 PM i think other presidents have

2/12/2006 11:12 PM

i think other presidents have done equally better or more better thats the fewest

acheivements for a man in complete power

posts WOW im impressed

donot care as far as i know he wasnt a shaheed he was hanged like the rat he was

i

mean his acheivements are written in two

NOT

acheivements

aren't this shit u write here but what ever i

@above 2/13/2006 1:30 AM hahaha. Grow up kid. or get some life. say something logical.

@above 2/13/2006 1:30 AM hahaha. Grow up kid. or get some life. say something logical.

 
or get some life. say something logical.   Taimur Fähäd Achievements 2/13/2006 7:25 AM Z.A. Bhutto

Achievements 2/13/2006 7:25 AM Z.A. Bhutto was the first to start Pakistan nuclear program Salute to Z.A.Bhutto.

 

look at ur face mehr when u say that 2/13/2006 11:35 AM huhh i heard all the filth abt the only MAN This country has producedddddd

yea i do accept that he had some weakness's n flaus but the only thing

yea i do accept that he had some weakness's n flaus but the only thing that makes me his fan is that he was a NAR BACHA not like ur other impotent leaders who dun even have guts tu portest against american attacksss yaakhh thoooo

he had attitude he had pride a leader reflects a nationn

ur

PM nawaz shareef took off his

shoes n socks in white house ,,,had it been BHUTTO he would have slammed the bloody americans wid his own shoesssss

Kashif @mehr 2/13/2006 9:46 PM YOU ARE LOSSER! YOU PEOPLE ONLY KNOW TO CRITISIZE. YOU

@mehr 2/13/2006 9:46 PM YOU ARE LOSSER! YOU PEOPLE ONLY KNOW TO CRITISIZE. YOU DONT KNOW HISTORY, YOU DONT KNOW POLITICS AND YOU EVEN DONT KNOW THE CONSTITUTION OF PAKISTAN. THE PERSON WHO EVEN DONT KNOW ABOUT HIS/HER RIGHTS IN HER OWN COUNTRY, WE CANT EXPECT ANYTHING MORE. ITS BETTER TO READ ABOUT BHUTTO. LET ME SUGGEST YOU THE BOOK WRITTEN BY STANLEY WOLPERT "ZULFI BHUTTO OF PAK". HE IS NOT MEMBER OF PPP, HE IS ENGLISHMAN BECAUSE PEOPLE LIKE YOU ONLY TRUST ENGLISH PEOPLE. FASHION HAI BABA.

REGARDS

KASHIF SARMAD

Flex

2/14/2006 12:37 AM whatever you MONKIES

PROBABLY

BHUTTO GAVE YOU'RE PARENTS SOME MONEY

TO DO SHIT THATS Y U STILL LICK HIS BALLS

BHUTTO

WAS A THEIF A LOW LIFE

AND YOU PEOPLE WERE THE PEOPLE WHO HE FOOLED ,DEEP INSIDE YOU

YOU

ALL KNOW THAT BHUTTO WAS BAD THats y he got hanged THANK GOD

 
 
WAS BAD THats y he got hanged THANK GOD     Taimur @above 2/14/2006 2:49 AM

@above 2/14/2006 2:49 AM When will u grow up? havent someone taught u how to talk with any sense and logic. I am still waiting for one single reason, just one single reason why should we hate Bhutto. Any facts. Any figures. Any thing?

Hussain 2/14/2006 7:18 AM Bhutto's major short-coming was his feudal background and connections. Thats your
Hussain 2/14/2006 7:18 AM Bhutto's major short-coming was his feudal background and connections. Thats your
Hussain 2/14/2006 7:18 AM Bhutto's major short-coming was his feudal background and connections. Thats your

2/14/2006 7:18 AM Bhutto's major short-coming was his feudal background and connections. Thats your whole fucking existance, Ms Mehr Bugti. Go back to your rocky hideout and continue sucking the bloods of balochi serfs and paying their parents to sing paeans for your family and sacrifice their lives to ensure that you guys have your bubble baths. its not like pot calling the kettle black. its even worse. like a stripper suing the government for legalizing prostitution with the claim, that she only strips and not fucks.

like a stripper suing the government for legalizing prostitution with the claim, that she only st
like a stripper suing the government for legalizing prostitution with the claim, that she only st
like a stripper suing the government for legalizing prostitution with the claim, that she only st

2/14/2006 7:21 AM kashif, you have to decide whether its Bacha or Man.

and did you say I have Viking language? Thats kinna cool.

and did you say I have Viking language? Thats kinna cool. Hussain Death to all IDIOTs!!

Death to all IDIOTs!!

and the freemasons!

and George W. Bush Jnr.

and senior.

and if you don't stop soon kashif, you too will be on the list.

@mehr 2/14/2006 9:30 PM I THINK BHUTTO GAVE UR PARENTS A PUNISHMENT FOR THEIR SHITS,

@mehr 2/14/2006 9:30 PM I THINK BHUTTO GAVE UR PARENTS A PUNISHMENT FOR THEIR SHITS, THATS Y YOU ARE ANGRY OVER A GREAT PERSONLITY. HUH! I DONT WANT TO DEBATE WITH PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO DONT HAVE MANNERS TO TALK. I THINK YOUR PARENTS NEEDED TO TEACH YOU MORE REGARDING TO MANNERS. I SUGGEST YOU TO TALK ON TOPIC RATHER THAN ABOUT ANY PARENTS. IF YOU WILL TALK WITH GENTLE LANGUAGE YOU ARE WELCOME AND IF YOUR NOT. GOD WILL HELP YOU!

 

REGARDS

KASHIF SARMAD

HELP YOU! Kashif   REGARDS KASHIF SARMAD 2/15/2006 4:00 AM and hopefully, the doctors at Giddu

2/15/2006 4:00 AM and hopefully, the doctors at Giddu Bandar will help you too.

2/15/2006 8:56 AM Bhutto is dead. Gone. No more. Out of this world. No more

2/15/2006 8:56 AM Bhutto is dead. Gone. No more. Out of this world. No more in Pakistani Government or politics. Which part of it you do not understand? It is time to think about the future, u idiots. And the future lies in unity, regardless of the fact that you hate Bhutto, or praise him. Get a life ppl!!!

LiVe

2/15/2006 9:54 AM kami and shezad i think u r being real harsh i mean if u said all that abt the real asshole get

who i mean ya i m talking abt MUSHHRRAF well we wouldnt have minded it

all

bhutto was

to strike at the weakness of the people and he did work to provide them with food and shelter

and clothes

those

are the few basic necessities of life

 
2/15/2006 10:04 AM  

2/15/2006 10:04 AM

 

the first person to start the nuclear development in PAKISTAN

the

leader who took

 

measurez with shah faisal to unite the muslims

all

these assholez having no knowledge

must shut up n open the history books

 

he

waz a greta leader who gave his

fuck

uu guyz

life but did not bow in front of the military generalz

 
bow in front of the military generalz   \/\//-\L! Zain itll be a waste of time

itll be a waste of time telling u lot. 2/15/2006 4:41 PM

u guys r just over eacting let these idots say what tehy want for everyone knows Bhutto was

and stillsi the best leader PAKSITAN HAS EVER HAD. as for what he gave us ill just like to point out a few things. the constitution a perfect document that ppl like u and musharaf and the rest r trying very hard to screw over. he gave us a nuclear programme the sole reason y u idiots r still alive and able to criticize him. he gave us a vision an ideology. he gave us a future.he made us proud. tell me of any other leader who had the balls to say no the the

international community. i.e. the UN. he didnt go licking the americans shoes. he created the islamic summit uniting all muslim states and creating the biggest threat to the west. he was

popular well educated and a charismatic leader.above all he was Bhutto

THE

LEGACY

and no offence but with bugti as ur surname i dont know howe u can be talking about families

ill admit he wasnt perfect and he was no angel but he was still better than the rest.i dont want

to win u over or ask u to support him.but think tehre has to be something about the man for him and his party to still ahve teh largest vote bank in teh country 30 years after his death. in

the last election aswell ppp got the highest percentage of votes in the country.think rationally and u might get an idea.but then there si a chance ur one of them stupid on track minds who think bhutto was hung cuz he got someone killed. lol

NICE DEBATE GUYZ 2/16/2006 7:10 PM IT WAS REALLY NICE DEBATE GUYS BUT I DONT

NICE DEBATE GUYZ 2/16/2006 7:10 PM IT WAS REALLY NICE DEBATE GUYS BUT I DONT THINK SO THAT STUPID PERSONS LIKE MEHR GONNA LISTEN TO US BECAUSE BUGTIS WAS KICKED BY THE BHUTTO BEACUSE THEY WERE BLACKMAILING THE GOVERNMENT FOR ENHANCING THE LOYLITIES THAT BHUTTO DIDNT ACCEPT AND DID OPERATION AGAINST THEM. THEY ONLY WANT MONEY FOR THEIR SHITS ONLY. THEY DONT WANT TO EDUCATE PEOPLE. SARDARS LIKE THEM ARE FOOLING AND HARRASING THE PEOPLE FOR THEIR OWN INTREST. I THINK THEY MUST BE HANGED PUBLICALLY. WHAT THEY HAVE DONE FOR THE PEOPLE IN 50 YEARS? NOTHING BHUTTO IS GREAT AND WILL ALWAYS BE GREAT, WHATEVER STUPID PEOPLE THINKS ITS DEFINATELY NOT PUT ANY IMPACT TO BHUTTO'S PERSONALITY. SO GO TO HELL THOSE WHO ARE AGAINST THE LEGEND BHUTTO!

REGARDS

KASHIF SARMAD

Bhutto is great 2/16/2006 9:24 PM he was the leader of the entire 3rd world, not just Pakistan.

- He was the one who brought the Muslim nations closer to each other.

- In his time, Pakistan's international relations with every country were the best.

- He was the one who gave Pakistan the dream of Nuclear bomb so that dirt minded Indians can be tackled.

- Bhutto is one leader who is praised by every great leader.

- Bhutto is one leader who is praised by every great leader. Kamran - He could

- He could have easily run out of the country like other leaders, but he did not! He wanted to die with honour and this is why we all remember him as Shaheed.

- His family was already one of the richest and well respected families of sub-continent even before 1947. So there is no point in him being greedy.

- Bhutto was a highly qualified person and he could have lived a very comfortable life in any

of the developed countries of the world like UK and USA, but he came back to serve his

country! He was not a chaudhry or a terrorist turned into a politician :S

- Bhutto was the one who brought back 90,000 pakistani soldiers alive from Indian cells!! that too at the time of high tension! Can any of your chaudhry birathraaans do that??

these are just a few that come to mind. There are plenty others!

everyone does make mistakes, so did he. But his mistakes are far too less to challenge his good deeds. Some ppl think he was responsible for fall of Dhaka but the truth is: Bangladesh was always gonna be saparated one day because of the violation of rights with Bengali people since 1947. Bangalis were already pushing hard for independence so no matter who the leader was at that time, this would have happened anyway. You cant blame one person for such a big thing, it was a long process which led to saparation of B'Desh.

nabeel 2/17/2006 1:33 AM yea ur right kid hate him or love him one thing

nabeel 2/17/2006 1:33 AM yea ur right kid hate him or love him one thing we need is UNITY whos with me?

love him one thing we need is UNITY whos with me? Adam Sanaullah Got it Assholes???(Kami,Mehr,Shazad)

Got it Assholes???(Kami,Mehr,Shazad) 2/17/2006 1:02 PM

Great Men

You ppl have shut the shitting mouths of Kami

great leader(Mr.Bhutto)

!

Supporters of Mr.Bhutoo

Bravo!

Mehr

and shahzad and Everyone who hat My

@Sana 2/17/2006 2:19 PM lolz ! keep it up moi boy !!

@Sana 2/17/2006 2:19 PM lolz ! keep it up moi boy !!

2/17/2006 2:19 PM lolz ! keep it up moi boy !! Jatoi Sanaullah @majid 2/18/2006 5:10

@majid 2/18/2006 5:10 AM Thanx ustad

Sanaullah 2/18/2006 11:16 AM Bhurway thera dimaagh kharab tho nahin: i thought i told ure

Sanaullah 2/18/2006 11:16 AM Bhurway thera dimaagh kharab tho nahin: i thought i told ure sorry ass to watch the way to talked to ppl, and most of all ME.

 

U

think i don't know politics?! U stupid bastard, ure the one who doesn't know politics. All uve

managed to say up till now is that u love bhutto, and u'll kill ny1 who hates him

Why don't u come up with something productive like the rest of ure fellow bhuttoites.

something productive like the rest of ure fellow bhuttoites. Saim relax goodness not heres what i

relax

goodness

not

heres what i think of bhutto. the only true statesman, politician, and diplomat to take office. the rest are either generals, feudal lords, or bankers without any previous political

understandably, that doesnt necessarily mean he had a clean conscience. a

politician at heart. 77 elections WERE rigged. and he was charged with SOMETHING that he got hanged. now i dont tend to be an expert on these things because i am not that well versed. and if someone is disagreeing then please at least not abuse me. and mehr, i think just insulting bhuttoites wont do u any good. presenting a suitable argument can though.

experience

2/18/2006 12:07 PM

this

everyone

but

isnt a matter of personal pride and honour at stake whether u hate him or

is entitled to their opinion goddammit

all

u people need is an excuse

 

2/18/2006 3:43 PM

 

i

didnt wish to

but

u asked for it

Bhutto

no

doubt a great leader

infact

one of those very few leaders with true leadership

qualities. But what good of it if it only brought destruction. Bhutto came into politics

qualities. But what good of it if it only brought destruction. Bhutto came into politics under the arch bureaucrat and dictator, Sikandar Mirza, who tore asunder the first and the consensus constitution of 1956. Then he changed his loyalties to Field Marshal Muhammad Ayub Khan. He not only served him for consecutive eight years but also eventually became his chief election campaigner against Mohtarama Fatimah Jinnah, who had challenged the autocracy of Ayub Khan. He caused the fall of the Ayub regime only to grab power and helped Gen. Yahya Khan for another martial law that proved fatal and most disasterous for the development of Pakistan. Bhutto was not only an adviser to the new dictator but also acted as his foreign minister and accomplice in the dismemberment of the state that was founded by Quaid-i-Azam. He played, indeed, a decisive role in the separation of East Pakistan particularly by refusing to accept 1970 electoral results, as he was not willing to hand over the power to the majority party - Awami League. Accepting defeant would have proven his bravery…but no. He raised the slogan of ‘idhar ham udhar tum’ only to obstruct the holding of the National Assembly’s session. After the fall of Decca, despite getting around 36 percent of the votes in West Pakistan the founder of the Pakistan Peoples Party maneuvered to get himself appointed as civilian chief martial law administrator, a novel position hardly found in the political history of the world. He retained this post until interim constitution was adopted. Under one-man constitution, he sought to establish the presidential form of government. When in accordance with the 1973 constitution he had to accept parliamentary system, he wilfully distorted it by centralizing powers as a Prime Minister so much so that the President became only a show-piece and a puppet in the hands of the most powerful Prime Minister.

the hands of the most powerful Prime Minister. Nabeel Nabeel 2/18/2006 3:44 PM Strictly speaking, it

2/18/2006 3:44 PM Strictly speaking, it was not a parliamentary form of government. The day the constitution was adopted, he resorted to the emergency powers by suspending fundamental rights. Parliament had never been supreme and the judiciary was never allowed to become independent of the executive. Actually he lacked the democratic spirit due to his bureautic and feudal behavior. What was the vision that Bhutto cherished? About the original 1973 constitution that he had given to the country, let us see what his own right-hand men and law minister Mahmud Ali Qasuri observes: ‘Instead of a full fledged democracy and a parliamentary government, we are, in the draft Constitution, provided with a government wherein the prime minister will have every opportunity of becoming a dictator. Once a person has secured his election as a prime minister, he can act and continue to act in defiance of the wishes of the majority of the Members of Parliament or even the overwhelming majority of the members of his own party. This is not parliamentary government but is prime minister’s dictatorship’. He killed many political leaders and civilians as well. It’s a long list…trust me. Sardar Ataullah Mengal’s son killed and buried somewhere unknown. Nawab Muhammad Ahmad Khan, father of dissident PPP MNA Ahmad Raza Kasuri killed. Dozens killed in Laiqat Bagh protest. Crackdown in balochistan killing many civilians. MNA and veteran politician Khwaja Saad Rafiq’s father murdered…and the list goes on.

Nabeel

2/18/2006 3:44 PM Steel Mill project was started during Yahya Khan's rule. You would know this if u start reading real history, rather than PPPz. Apparently Gen Yahya khan does not have a political party to

praise him. btw

im

not praising Yahya khan

dont

take it wrong :D which some people might

do

just

for the sake of argument

 
 
do just for the sake of argument     Cheeky 2/19/2006 5:51 AM cha gaya hai

2/19/2006 5:51 AM cha gaya hai nabeel

Mirza Agha 2/19/2006 9:56 PM Started the nuclear program. Conducted Islamic Summit and united the
Mirza Agha 2/19/2006 9:56 PM Started the nuclear program. Conducted Islamic Summit and united the

2/19/2006 9:56 PM Started the nuclear program. Conducted Islamic Summit and united the Islamic Ummah. Brought back 90000 prisinors of war from India. Stood fast against the military tyrants. Introduced land reforms and took steps to end feudalism and made people empowered.

fast against t he military tyrants. Introduced land reforms and took steps to end feudalism and
fast against t he military tyrants. Introduced land reforms and took steps to end feudalism and
fast against t he military tyrants. Introduced land reforms and took steps to end feudalism and

Sanaullah 2/20/2006 2:00 AM Thank you my friend for agreeing with me to not swear. Now, moving toward a mature argument.

Never, will I say that bhutto was stupid, or an ass, or nything of the sort. Bhutto was indeed almost a genius.

or nything of the sort. Bhutto was indeed almost a genius. Shehzad My reasons however, for

My reasons however, for not liking are included in, and have now extended to the list that Nabeel has provided.

He was a power-hungry individual. His rule appeared to be democratic, but it really wasn't. In his time, those who chose to oppose him, or speak against him were eliminated instantly-- that is not a democratic form of govt.

Every move he made, since, and and even before, promoting Operation Giblater, were to gain power. The anti India speeches, him bashing the US: all these and various other actions were all nothing but political strategies to fool the nation.

He was a man on a misson for personal achievements. When som1 is as widely hated as Bhutto, then there is a reason behind it, many of which have been provided in various discussions.

 

mirza agha 2/20/2006 5:44 AM

 

nuclear program - much appreciated.

 

Islamic Summit

u

kidding me?

OIC

nation

this

time it was pakistan

not

has been having Islamic Summits in different Muslim a big deal

stood against military tyrants

lol

what

military

he

was brought in by gen Iskander Mirza

and the Ayub khan betrayed Ayub khan

he

praised the military until he formed his own political party

he

Nabeel

Gen

Zia betrayed him

this

is life mate

shit

happens

Land reforms

u

talking abt land reforms? The first series was the Land Reforms Regulation

of Pakistan 1959, enacted as Martial Law regulation 64. it restricted the individual holding to

500 acres of irrigated or 1000 acres of un-irrigated land or 36000 PIUS ( produce index units), whichever was greater. Bhutto wasnt even in picture during that time. The next

reforms was promulgated in 1972, again through a martial law regulation (MLR-114), enacted as Land Reforms regulation 1972. the ceiling of individual holding was lowered to 12000 PIUS, or 150 acres of irrigated, or 300 acres of un-irrigated land, whichever was greater, with additional allowance of 2000 PIUs for tube-well or a tractor. During Gen Yahya's short tenure.

 

Yea

what

bhutto did later was that he made a new constitution and made these laws

(already applied) part of the constitution.

 

90000 prisoners of war from india 'idher hum, udher tum'.

bhutto

was the reason they got captured in the first place.

but Bhutto is gone people

dead

and

even if he was a great leader, that is not a reason to

support PPP. Its got different leaders now

in

complete shambles.

PPP. Its got different leaders now in complete shambles. One well all i can say positive

One

well

all i can say positive Mr. Bhutto is his SLOGAN "Roti Kapra Aur Makaan" which really had the public with him.

2/21/2006 12:20 AM

the 2nd most important thing was his Attitude. He could talk to ANYONE ANYWHERE no matter what position the next person held. Bhutto had a convincing my way or high way approach with them

But in the end, that cost Pakistan a Bangladesh and i can only blame BHUTTO FOR THAT

If today Bangladesh was present day Pakistan MORE DIFFERENT

Then the situation would have been much

MLK

2/21/2006 12:33 AM fuck still my veiws for him are he is an ass hole

2/21/2006 12:33 AM fuck still my veiws for him are he is an ass hole and that is what he will remain

is what he will remain ~ K Д mi- g™~ ♥ ! Jatoi kami 2/21/2006 3:16

kami 2/21/2006 3:16 AM kami i guess bhutto was ur` mother fucka ! I am readin ur` commentz since a long but unfortunatly i ve neva seen any one else to submitting bullshit commentz like u for Bhutto Sahab !! So I must say ure truly asshole n Bhutto came to ur home n fucked ur` mother in ur absentee !

Imran Kis shaks ko sooli pih charha baithay ho logo 2/21/2006 4:56 AM he was
Imran Kis shaks ko sooli pih charha baithay ho logo 2/21/2006 4:56 AM he was
Imran Kis shaks ko sooli pih charha baithay ho logo 2/21/2006 4:56 AM he was

Kis shaks ko sooli pih charha baithay ho logo 2/21/2006 4:56 AM he was the one who stand in the favour of tashkand. he gave the 1973 constitution which never been possble in the previous 25 years period of Pakistan. he was the one who make this country a capable in nuclear tech. He was the one who declred Ahmedis as non muslim. He was himself a landlord but he always stand for the poor. China-Pakistan friendship, and our relation with Saudia are just bcoz of him. what he has done for Pakistan in his periord from 73-77, no one can do even in entire his life. About his murder i would say this thing in urdu Yeh kia sitm dha baithay ho logo Kis shaks ko sooli pih charha baithay ho logo

his murder i would say this thing in urdu Yeh kia sitm dha baithay ho logo
his murder i would say this thing in urdu Yeh kia sitm dha baithay ho logo
his murder i would say this thing in urdu Yeh kia sitm dha baithay ho logo
ho logo Kis shaks ko sooli pih charha baithay ho logo Jatoi Imran 2/21/2006 5:56 AM

Imran 2/21/2006 5:56 AM Absolutely ryt Imran !

Emaan 2/21/2006 9:47 AM Yeh kia sitm dha baithay ho logo Kis shaks ko sooli

2/21/2006 9:47 AM Yeh kia sitm dha baithay ho logo Kis shaks ko sooli pih charha baithay ho logo never understand this

gr8 shair imran. but these stupids ppl will

this gr8 shair imran. but these stupids ppl will Nabeel 2/21/2006 10:53 AM Salam… Tashkent…why was

2/21/2006 10:53 AM Salam… Tashkent…why was Bhutto against Tashkent? Was it because of the ‘no-war’ clause? The ‘no-war’ clause could have resulted in better ties in both countries. Wars get us no where. And we have seen that. Loss of good men and wealth. So why was Bhutto against Tashkent? The answer is that he was not included by Ayub khan in the meeting with the Indian Prime Minister. That’s it. There was nothing to gain from it. By the way, Bhutto was against Tashkent, not in favour. Ayub khan was in favour. Read history first please.

1973 constitution. Wow…as if he wrote it himself. Like amazing. Truly superb.

Declared Ahmedis non-Muslims? Was it Bhutto? He never even spoke of it. It were the religious leaders like Maulana Noorani sahib who came out against Ahmedis and forced Bhutto to do so. He was simply losing vote. There was no other apparent reason.

He stood for the poor? Like when? I cannot find a single example in books of history. But let me assure you of one thing. I do not find him hungry for money, like today’s leaders. For

power, yea

but not for money.

 

@Nabeel 2/21/2006 12:38 PM

 

Listen You are opposing every Achievement of Bhutto sahab and u are completey wrong.

 

Believe me

No

one is going to believe u

what

do u think

writing

some names of other

 

people in ur post can make people believe u ?

 

know the complete History about Mr.Bhutto and i am damn sure that all the things u r shitting are just wrong

I

 

Wrong and Wrong

Every

single achievement that has been mentioned in the Topic is true

and was done by Mr.Bhutto.Belive me!

He

(Nabeel) is completely wrong and is lieing at a

glance. That's other reason that u may be the son of some Army Officer that's why u r oppsing

 

Mr.Bhutto. What has Army given to us

?

And what is Army giving to us?

Army

dictators doomed us

Sanaullah

completely.They belonged to the lower class people and they meant to have money by ruling

the country.Why we are so backward today

?

 

Just because of these Army Dictators.They always break the laws of the country and started ruling us and dooming us.The same case is with Musharraf.Listen dude here, the conversion is not going on PPP but on Mr.Bhutto.I know that today's PPP is not that PPP during

 

Mr.Bhutto was

But

is still better than others.

 

And who said u that Mr.Bhutto was an angry man

?

Impossible Mr.Bhutto was that kind and

softhearted man i haven't seen in my life.Yes he was angry for US and INDIA but not for his

country remember.You are talking about having good relations with INDIA and US

Are

the

Indians and Americans like for having Friendship

???India

Always broke the agreements

with Pakistan and because of Them only Bangladesh was separated.

 

And what America is doing for Islamic World

?

Just plannig to target the Islamic

Countries.And Mr.Bhutto was the man who oppenly Opposed US and it's policies and that was the reason for his execution.

Listen

The Islamic Summit Conference was the most important conference in the history of

OIC.Do u know how

?

No You may not that's why u just took it little.

 

Mr.Bhutto Presented His goals Befor the Islamic countries

Continue

Presented His goals Befor the Islamic countries Continue Sanaullah continued 2/21/2006 12:55 PM 1)All the Islamic

continued

2/21/2006 12:55 PM

1)All the Islamic countries should get their money out of the World Bank and make their own bank which should be known as The Islamic Bank and which should help all the Islamic countries without any profit. 2) All the natural resources of the Islamic countries should be first provided to Islamic countries and then western countries. Think if these goals would have completed.World bank is the backbone of the economy of the WEST.And Natural resources are the biggest need of them.Think if these goals of Bhutto

sahab would have completed,US troops were not sitting In Afghanistan and Iraq nor pressurizing Iran to get off it's Nuclear Programme.But unfortunately after that

Conference,the sleep of Western countries specially US, had become "haram" for them and they started struggle to Execute Mr.Bhutto.And they succeeded just because of these Army Dictators (Assholes).

I hate Army Dictators.They have always doomed my country and not only my country but All the Islamic World. Jeay Bhutto. Jeay Bhutto. Jeay Bhutto.

Sanaullah @Nabeel 2/21/2006 1:30 PM Don't u think so having "no-war" cl ause with India
Sanaullah @Nabeel 2/21/2006 1:30 PM Don't u think so having "no-war" cl ause with India
Sanaullah @Nabeel 2/21/2006 1:30 PM Don't u think so having "no-war" cl ause with India

@Nabeel 2/21/2006 1:30 PM Don't u think so having "no-war" clause with India makes no sense Uncountable agreements on "no-war" have been done with India but tell if INDIA stood according to the agreements.No Example. Having "no-war" clause with India was just the Wastage of time.And that was the reason

agreements.No Example. Having "no-war" clause with India was just the Wastage of time.And that was the
agreements.No Example. Having "no-war" clause with India was just the Wastage of time.And that was the
agreements.No Example. Having "no-war" clause with India was just the Wastage of time.And that was the

Mr.Bhutto opposed it.

Mr.Bhutto opposed it. Cheeky 2/21/2006 3:57 PM Think if these goals of Bhutto sahab would have

2/21/2006 3:57 PM Think if these goals of Bhutto sahab would have completed---> This is what was impossible. The aims and goals of bhutto sahib were indeed very high. But the way to achieve them was very childish. Lets compare bhutto sahib with hitler and chinesse leader mao. Both worked silently untill they got power instead of bashing on their enemies. I am 100% sure that things would had been same even if bhutto stays for another 20 years in power. That is, pakistan would had been third world country and usa would had been super power. However, this does not mean that i favor dictators. I hate them as much as any body else. I only want to say that what nabeel has said is also right. Similarly, i can not understand bhutto sahib's socialism? Why this was needed at first instance? I even can not understand this! When i see some other nations of the world where every body have rooti, kapra and makan and that even without any kind of socialism then why we need socialism? Why not first try to follow those nations? Secondly, if you are promising some body to give him rooti,kapra and makan then why will he work hard? This will ultimately lead to a collapse of economy. May be bhutto was right for land reforms. I feel that was needed but nationalizing industries was not the right thing to do.

 

@Cheeky and others

2/22/2006 2:53 AM

 

When did u give chance to Bhutto Sahab to complete his goals

?

Just after the end of the dialogues in Islamic Summit conference US started interfearing in

 

Pakistan's Interior politocal affairs.US Intelligence started it's struggle to corrupt Mr.Bhuttos right handed men.US Intelligence started killings in Pakistan and imposed their responsibilities to Mr.Bhutto.US just wanted Mr.Bhutto to look into his country's own matters and forget about Islamic Summit Conference.

You are Comparing Mr.Bhutto with Hitler and Bao.Listen

This

comparison makes no

 

sense.Mr.Bhutto only worked for the development of his country and he did not care for his

Rule but he only and onle thought for the development of his country and US could not see an Islamic country to grow as faster. Which World country today is Pakistan

?

Ofcourse 3rd world country and i will say that Pakistan is not even the 3rd

Ofcourse 3rd world country and i will say that Pakistan is not even the 3rd World country but

worse than 3rd world country.Pakistan is now a days the worst country in the World except

 

it's defence.And all is due to these Army Dictators.You are talking about 20 years

Mr.Bhutto had been in power for next 5 years only,The Islamic Republic Of Pakistan would have been the 1st World country. Which countries you are talking about having no socialism ? Socialism means a political and economic theory that a country's land,transport,Natural resources and Chief Industries should be owned and controlled by the whole community or

if

believe

me

by the state and that wealth should be equally distributed

Now

tell me which country is

 

completely developed without Socialism

????

America and other countries are completey

developed just because of Socialism.No developed country can oppose socialism.What Mr.Bhutto wanted was to make Pakistan The first World country and that can be done only if

u

act upon the rules of socialism.

No doubt on Mr.Bhutto's land reforms policy.He got currupt landlords into jail and gave the

 

rights to deservers(Fielders

jail and gave the   rights to deservers(Fielders Nabeel 2/22/2006 3:08 AM i hate the army

2/22/2006 3:08 AM

i hate the army being in government as much. btw

genius

who says that i hate Bhutto

but

what good if one can't make the best use of his abilities.

he was a

Nabeel

2/22/2006 3:12 AM and dont even get me started on OIC

what

i have presented are fac based on actual

occurrings. please revise your history. i cant keep arguing with you

you

may never agree to

what i say but, as i said before, Bhutto is gone. dead. no need to quarrel on that. think about

the future

Nabeel 2/22/2006 3:16 AM u talk of army being of lower class. what do u

2/22/2006 3:16 AM

u talk of army being of lower class. what do u know about these classes

praise bhutto on his Islamic moves

classes and if u think that these classes differentiate people, then please atleast do not talk

about Islam. U know nothin. and if i may ask, what is your class?

rich landlord? politician?

elite business man?

do not support army involving itself in politics.

on one hand u

and

grow

on the other u talk reverse. Islam doesnot teach us

up

for

your own good. class

lol

btw

as

i said

i

lol

my

ass

 

@class

2/22/2006 3:51 AM took it wrong buddy

 

Hey

you

I

did not spoke about Class of livelihood of a person

As

u r asking me about my

 

livelihood

whether

i am a businessman or Landlord whatever

 

I

just mentioned the class on the moral qualities of Dictators

When

u join army an oath is

taken from u that u will never oppose ur Senior's advice and u will not

taken from u that u will never oppose ur Senior's advice and u will not interfear in Politics of

the country.But those who broke the laws and started ruling country

what

will u say to them

as far as their moral values as being Army Officers are concerned.I am not talking about All

the Army Officers

completely filled with the Spirit of Jihad. And i know the Complete History about OIC

There

are many JAWANS in Army who doesn't mean Politics and they are

What

fatcs u r talking about OIC

did

i oppose

OIC never Listen dude Every Muslim has right to speak about Islam and i was no wrong that u asked to

not to speak about Islam

It

was ur mistake that u took the meaning of class wrong

May

be in

ur daily life u may practicing classes of livelihood of people that's why u took it in that sense

livelihood of people that's why u took it in that sense Nabeel 2/22/2006 9:38 AM man

2/22/2006 9:38 AM

man

example where USA has adopted nationalisation policy

that matter. Schools, colleges, police, hospitals and other such institutions are nationalised

because it is the duty of the government to provide such services. And such services exist in both private and public sectors of the economy through out the world. Let me give you a simple example. Take UK, one of the most developed countries of the world. Be it Gas, Electricity, Water, Telecommunication, pharmaceuticals, or British Rail…everything is privatised. They are even making a move to privatise the NHS (their medical and hospital service). Talking of the US, Lockheed Martin (one of the world’s largest weapons manufacturer and the manufacturer of F-16 as well), Boeing (one of the largest commercial plans manufacturer), in fact 90 per cent of all the top-500 USA companies are private, may be more. Please do your research before you pen down your ideas.

any other developed country for

what

do u know about economics

lol

@ USA

give

me an example

or

one

single

2/23/2006 4:24 AM go on

2/23/2006 4:24 AM go on

me an example or one single 2/23/2006 4:24 AM go on Flex Nabeel 2/23/2006 10:26 AM

2/23/2006 10:26 AM

btw

appropriate selection of words when issue such remarks.

i

m sorry that i misunderstood your 'low-class' phrase. perhaps u need to use more

2/23/2006 10:27 AM *while issuing

2/23/2006 10:27 AM *while issuing

to use more 2/23/2006 10:27 AM *while issuing Nabeel Shehzad @ sanaullah 2/23/2006 11:32 AM I

@ sanaullah 2/23/2006 11:32 AM

I am dusgusted after reading sanullah's posts. Not only is this young Bhuttoite a disillusioned individual, but he is only a reckless writer.

sanaullah, would you care to name even one industry in the US today which has been nationalized?

I can't believe these ppl. First of all, they have the nerve to defend a guy who ruined this nation, and to top it all off, they use all sorts of false examples to "aid" their arguments. ahaha--well i'm not surpirsed--isn't that what bhutto did too?

melted

taimur 2/24/2006 1:50 PM definitely u have given gr8 achievements f bhutto

but

let me add only one thing

and

that s his death for law,constitution,and civillian power

this

s the aheivement which only

bhutto won and that s y he s sooooo great dears but he was the man of principles

bhutto

bhi jaan bacha kar bhaag sakta tha my

bhutto bhi jaan bacha kar bhaag sakta tha my Nabeel 2/24/2006 2:24 PM Bhutto didnot leave

2/24/2006 2:24 PM Bhutto didnot leave the country and flee reason being that he had this thought in his mind that he wont be hanged. neways it was a brave thought.

@All 2/25/2006 12:44 AM Ahan ! Give me a break ! Don't just Consider on

@All 2/25/2006 12:44 AM Ahan ! Give me a break ! Don't just Consider on the Examples Of the countries ok Just consider on the benefits of the Nationalization Then Speak

 

Many Illitrate pplz just start their Personal Conversion that makes no sense

Be

sensity and

just talk about the topic

specially

Shahzad

and just talk about the topic specially Shahzad Sanaullah 2/25/2006 1:21 AM Listen Nationalization u can

2/25/2006 1:21 AM

Listen

Nationalization u can provide people with High Quality Commodities in Lowest Prices but if the Privatization is allowed,the prices of Commodities(goods) are upto the owners of the

Institutions.Take an Example of Higher Secondary School

fees of Rs.20 in a year and Private school requires more than Rs.1000 per month.Remember during Mr.Bhutto's government,Government schools used to to provide best education and Private schools had tough competetion with Government schools (Means Government and Private schools were Equal).Not like todays Government schools which have no competetion with Private schools but Still there are some Government Schools which Provide best

Education Without any charges.So,the step of Nationalization was in Fever of the Nation.As we know that main problem of Pakistan is Poverty,many people can not even bring 2 times meal for themselves.In this situation how poor people can Afford the Prices of

Commodities

Provide High Quality commodities.People who run Institutions both Nationalized and Privatized are the same Pakistani people.Rather the national Institutions have more attraction for Employement than Private Institutions so how can be there a difference between Private and National Institutions as far as Quality of Goods is concerned.The Big Difference between National and Private Institutions is Prices.The thing provided to u in Rs.100 by private institution can be proved to u in Rs.50 by the National Institution with the same quality.

Nationalization

is the must taken step for the development of a country.By

A

Government school requires

?

And this concept is Completey Wrong that Nationalized Institutions can not

2/25/2006 1:28 AM Nationalization was in benefit of the ppl of Pakistan as far as

2/25/2006 1:28 AM Nationalization was in benefit of the ppl of Pakistan as far as the quality and Prices of commodities are concerned Privatization started it's way after 90's.Before that Many Industries were Nationalized

that Ma ny Industries were Nationalized Sanaullah Sanaullah 2/25/2006 1:33 AM However during Mr.Bhutto's

2/25/2006 1:33 AM

However

during Mr.Bhutto's Government

Nationalization

or Privatization

Economy

of the country was Improved at a glance

melted

nabeel 2/25/2006 2:16 AM

 

ya nabeel most f the writers say bhutto ws sure that he culdnt b hanged

thats

a different

thing

bhutto

has made a history ,how,why,he was culprit or not

these

questions are

important but not so much

in

world history bhutto is remembered as an elected prime

minister who ws hanged by the establishment

facotrs

u ppl know.

 
Nabeel 2/25/2006 3:39 AM As i said "Schools, colleges, police, hospital s and other such

2/25/2006 3:39 AM As i said "Schools, colleges, police, hospitals and other such institutions are nationalised because it is the duty of the government to provide such services. And such services exist in both private and public sectors of the economy through out the world." Please read what i write carefully. Nationalisation is seen in the context of nationalising production industries, factories where stuff are made like textile, sugar mills and many more. And no where in the

world has it ever been succesful,

nowhere

Nabeel

2/25/2006 3:42 AM The economy never improved during bhutto's government. yeah

the

most effective

industrial reforms were made under the government of Ayub khan. which we indeed quite successful

 
of Ayub khan. which we indeed quite successful   Nabeel @ shahzad 2/25/2006 3:51 AM Bhutto

@ shahzad 2/25/2006 3:51 AM Bhutto was never an elected representative of the people

rehman. he just divided the part where he has SLIGHT majority. thats it. In the 1970 elections mujiburRehman's part won 160 seats overall in the national assembly and PPP winning only 81. the difference is clear.

mind

you

it

was mujib-ur-

2/25/2006 3:52 AM which was indeed quite successful *

2/25/2006 3:52 AM which was indeed quite successful *

3:52 AM which was indeed quite successful * Nabeel melted shahzad 2/25/2006 10:44 AM in facts

shahzad 2/25/2006 10:44 AM

in facts of history when bhutto was hanged he was the legal pm of pakistan.so bhutto's death was not his death butt the death of a state and death of the constitution and whol f the nation

as well

and

remember after 71 pakistan and bangladesh are two different countaries

Mohammed re 2/25/2006 1:53 PM YEH KON SAKEH HAI JIN KAY LALOO KI ASHRAFIYAA CHAN
Mohammed re 2/25/2006 1:53 PM YEH KON SAKEH HAI JIN KAY LALOO KI ASHRAFIYAA CHAN

re 2/25/2006 1:53 PM YEH KON SAKEH HAI JIN KAY LALOO KI ASHRAFIYAA CHAN CHAN[WHO ARE THESE GENEROUS SOUL'S WHOS BLOODS SHILLINGS FILL THE CUP OF HUMANITY[FAIZ AHMED FAIZ]

KI ASHRAFIYAA CHAN CHAN[WHO ARE THESE GENEROUS SOUL'S WHOS BLOODS SHILLINGS FILL THE CUP OF HUMANITY[FAIZ
KI ASHRAFIYAA CHAN CHAN[WHO ARE THESE GENEROUS SOUL'S WHOS BLOODS SHILLINGS FILL THE CUP OF HUMANITY[FAIZ
BLOODS SHILLINGS FILL THE CUP OF HUMANITY[FAIZ AHMED FAIZ] Nabeel 2/26/2006 4:33 PM bhutto led to

2/26/2006 4:33 PM bhutto led to the seperation

and

then became the PM

2/27/2006 3:37 AM The separation of East Pakistan was decided by a meeting while Ayub

2/27/2006 3:37 AM The separation of East Pakistan was decided by a meeting while Ayub in the chair. Before taking over as CMLA Yahya spent one whole day with Mujeeb while Mujeeb was in jail for Agartala Case. The Six points of Mujeeb were drafted by Altaf Gauhar, a bureaucrat in Ayub’s government. “Six points demand of mujeeb are a receipie of the separation of east from the west” Noorul Ameen a Bengali leader in 66 during the round table conference called by Nasrullah Khan attended by Ayub. Military bureaucracy in the west could not rule the

country with out getting rid of the Bengalis. The generals in East Pakistan were busy in the smuggling of Pan and neglected their professional duties.

Denial plan is the war strategy by which a retreating army destroys every thing that could be of use for the advancing enemy. Complete squadrons of fighter planes tanks and tons of unused armament were handed over intact to India at the surrender ceremony. Senior Pakistani generals from the POW camps in India were allowed out of the camps with their families for shipping in Calcutta.

Please have some time to read the Hamood Commission Report don’t just accuse Bhutto for the debacle. It is common practice in Pakistan to take oath and go against it. He is the only person in Pakistan who gave his life defending the Oath of his Office and stood for what he thought was right. Riaz al Khateeb the Saudi ambassador those days was begging for the life of Bhutto and wanted to take him to his land. Zia sent Dr. Mubashar several times for a patch up to which he refused “I would rather die at the hands of army and not in history” that was his conviction.

of army and not in history” that was his conviction. Syed 2/27/2006 4:45 AM Check out

2/27/2006 4:45 AM Check out the following link East Pakistan:The end game Kausar Niazi in the Bhutto Cabinet was considered to be from the Military lobby.

Syed

2/27/2006 5:40 AM This is what the leader of the country whose 90,000 soldiers were prisoners of war that lost half of the country negotiated with India and got in return Simla Agreement please don’t try to diminish the personality of Bhutto he stands too high among the leaders of his time.

And following is what the fake Field Marshal who allegedly won the 65 war got from India and USSR Tashkent Declaration when I get time I will discuss the so called economic prosperity of that era which terminated by celebrating “decade of reforms of Ayub” popularly know as DECAY OF REFORMS.

of reforms of Ayub” popularly know as DECAY OF REFORMS. Kashif 3/1/2006 3:10 AM His Biggest

3/1/2006 3:10 AM His Biggest Achievement Was NUCLEAR Program. This Really pushed the Pakistan to Safety.

Syed 3/1/2006 4:23 AM He gave his life for the nuclear program. He was more
Syed 3/1/2006 4:23 AM He gave his life for the nuclear program. He was more
Syed 3/1/2006 4:23 AM He gave his life for the nuclear program. He was more

3/1/2006 4:23 AM He gave his life for the nuclear program. He was more for the peaceful use of the technology his argument was that since we don’t have fossil fuel and possibility of hydal-power, we have no option but to go for nuclear option. Sure he did some loose talk by saying that if there can be a Christian bomb, a Hindu bomb an atheist bomb and a Jew bomb why not an Islamic bomb. His program was a very ambitious one. By 1985 we were supposed to have three reactors at Karachi and coastal areas. Several more reactors were envisaged in Punjab and north, some of which were of fast breeder type and some were capable of desalination. We were to have fuel refining and reprocessing plants also. We have in the north the necessary ore rich in the required element to be used as raw material what we would get at the end was complete nuclear fuel cycle. For the reprocessing plant we had a confirmed agreement with France. Not only the Americans got Bhutto hanged they also were able to get the foreign minister of France sacked. After hanging Bhutto, Zia did not peruse for the agreement with France and obeyed the Americans.

of France sacked. After hanging Bhutto, Zia did not peruse for the agreement with France and
of France sacked. After hanging Bhutto, Zia did not peruse for the agreement with France and
of France sacked. After hanging Bhutto, Zia did not peruse for the agreement with France and
for the agreement with France and obeyed the Americans. Syed 3/1/2006 12:01 PM It was with

3/1/2006 12:01 PM It was with these developments in mind when Bhutto smashed his fist on the table of the famous Darbar Hall declaring that, "there was a Christian bomb, a Jewish bomb and even a Hindu bomb, I want an Islamic bomb." It was Bhutto who sanctioned the establishment of Kahuta laboratories, for "research purposes". To keep the evil eyes of the Americans and other hostile powers away the late Prime Minster played a masterstroke that misled the entire world including the Americans in spite of all the technology at their command. Bhutto signed a deal with France for the installation of a nuclear reprocessing plant; King Faisal of Saudi Arabia paid the money for the deal. The Americans after this deal devoted all their energies, attention and pressure to ensure that Pakistan never got the plant.

Syed 3/1/2006 12:05 PM This resulted in the deal between Pakistan and France being off
Syed 3/1/2006 12:05 PM This resulted in the deal between Pakistan and France being off
Syed 3/1/2006 12:05 PM This resulted in the deal between Pakistan and France being off

3/1/2006 12:05 PM This resulted in the deal between Pakistan and France being off and then on, France ultimately surrendered to the pressure of the United States and scrapped its international commitment. But in the meantime Pakistan had acquired the know how of enriching uranium, a vital process to develop a nuclear weapon. In between another snag arose and that was the transfer of uranium ore from the mines to the laboratories engaged in the process of building a nuclear deterrence for the country. To transport ore, Pakistan made an agreement with (West) Germany to purchase five trucks but the Americans subverted that deal. To overcome this difficulty, an illiterate bus body mechanic was taken to the German plant that made the special purpose trucks. That illiterate person learnt the design of the trucks and also the formula of metal sheets used in the body of those trucks. He came back to Pakistan and with some effort was able to deliver identical trucks that were tested and found to be safe for transporting uranium ore. When the Americans learnt that they had been tricked by Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto they sent their Jewish secretary of state Dr Henry Kissinger to Pakistan who made a public threat to Bhutto when he said, "We (Americans) will make a horrible example out of you and your country." see complete article here this was an article of The News International Edition February 9 2004.

and your country." see complete article here this was an article of The News International Edition
and your country." see complete article here this was an article of The News International Edition
and your country." see complete article here this was an article of The News International Edition
article of The News International Edition February 9 2004. Kashif 3/2/2006 12:56 PM Wot u Think

3/2/2006 12:56 PM Wot u Think Sir??Now

May B Bcoz Of Americans

Seen the AQ departure.

Musharaf

as

Has Rolledback Our Nuclear Program?

they are callin em their Big supporter N V have also heard n

 

3/2/2006 3:51 PM

 

I

respect Bhutto

he's

dead

now

u

talk about seperation

keeping

all the other things aside

does

"idher hum udher

tum" ring any bells?

 
Maybe not because it conflicts with you theory  

Maybe not

because

it conflicts with you theory

 

Okay

 

If

bhutto was a good leader

he

could've had simply given up his prime ministerial

seat to Mujib

for

the good of the nation

who

had actually won the elections

and

he won he

elections after Ayub khan's government and before seperation

I

am not completely blaming u cant even take bhutto out

it

on Bhutto

there

were a series if event before that as well

but

of picture

 
 

Nuclear technology

much

appreciated

 

What about nationalisation and the mass-murder by bhutto

please

read my previous scraps

btw

i

m not even praising army in politics.

 
3/2/2006 3:53 PM  

3/2/2006 3:53 PM

 

oh

one

thing i forgot

there

isnt much difference between Simla and Tashkent agreements,

just a few words here and there

 
Nabeel

3/2/2006 4:02 PM

 

oh mind you

i

do not argue with Scientologists

there

is an element of conflict of interest.

 
there is an element of conflict of interest.   3/2/2006 8:38 PM Mr. Nabeel! Once I

3/2/2006 8:38 PM Mr. Nabeel! Once I also had the opportunity to visit Madam Tussauds but I chose to stand beside Nelson Mendela.

ither ham oodhar tum; a jamaat/jasarat conspricy I don’t know of any mass murders which

Bhutto committed, please give authentic evidences and links. Nationalization is a serious and long subject, I am busy these days even to search out my own contributions on Orkut, and you will have to wait.

 

3/2/2006 8:39 PM

It

is the words and the punctuation, which matters most in the international pacts and

agreements. A single comma can be of extreme significance. Bhutto was facing a leader of

Syed

winner country who wanted the trial of the POWs on Nuremberg War Crime Trials style. He was there to plead for the release of POWs one of the biggest and humiliating surrender ever

in

the history of the world. Simla Agreement terms in specific words that Kashmir is a dispute

while Tashkent Declaration does not, one is an agreement while the other is a declaration.

If

I get time I will give you links to several threads where I confronted Indians on the issue of Kashmir. If you get time do check from my communities on international matters with topic Kashmir Issue.

 

check this one I will give you al lot more links I have them on my other computer which has broken down these days. You will notice the significance of the international documents. I don’t mind if you don’t like to argue with me, I will still be putting the facts on Orkut.

argue with me , I will still be putting the facts on Orkut. Danial 3/9/2006 12:32

3/9/2006 12:32 PM

well i havent read all d replys, but i think alot of ppl dont think Bhutto has achieved any thing worth while for our country. please ppl lets think relisticly, point1:Bhutto made d nuclear bomb for us, and if it wasent for dat bomb india our so called friend now would have attacked us along time ago to make pakistan a part of their country again. which by d way i personally think dey are,not by force now but by acting as our friends n geting into our homes(country). wat do u think america would have not made up a stupid reason to attack pakistan just as it attacked afghanistan.dey even have a reson now because according to their latest intellegence usama bin ladin is currently in pakistan.now lets think of a reason america would

have made to attack pk

for dem. now coming to point 2:Bhutto made the STEEL MILL for us which really helped our

economy n our ppl.the steel mill contains 22 plants n can u imagine how many ppl got employment because of dis mill. now for d ppl who oppose him can u tell me any other

president dat has created so many job oppertunities for so many ppl at 1 time. all mussarraf wants to do is make dose dams so dat it will stop wat ever little dirty water sindh is geting. point no3:Bhutto wanted to create a muslim group like d UN. dis is not 1 of his achievments unfortunately but i wrote it down just to make u see d vision of d man.if we had a muslim UN dey would have spoken up against these cartoons of our prophet n all d mishaps dat are taking place against muslims. now point 4: Bhutto brought back DR QADEER who was our head scientist from holland. DR QADEER was was d main scientist in d creation of our nuclear program,america even tried to take DR QADEER away by offering him to come n work for nasa which he dutifuly refused.now DR QADEER is rotting in jail, hes our national hero ppl. dis shouldnt be happening to national hero.n we all know which fine president of

ours has put him dere, n for who

i thik harbouring a criminal would have been enough of a reason

america!!!

 

3/9/2006 12:57 PM i hope every 1 reads wat MR SYED has writen about BHUTTO and i hope many questions get cleared up. i just want to say 1 thing, its BHUTTO'S achievemnts dat are still getting us by

but i dont know for how long dey will. iam no historian or a politician, just a 19 year old patriot

n

i love pakistan.i would also like to ask d ppl who oppose BHUTTO wat d current president n

d

ones before him have done for pakistan and its my personal opinion dat BHUTTO would

Danial

not hav attacked his own ppl with pakistans artilary. des bombs guns n tanks dat r being used to attack our own pakistanis are made or bought from our paid taxes. we pay dese taxes for d betterment of our country, not to destroy wat little dere is. i would also like to mention IMRAN

KHAN here, he has d pottential to become d next great leader for pakistan n i hope we vote for him in d up coming elections. n for d ppl who oppose him too,i would like u to ask dis

question from ur self dat wat is he geting out of trying to up hold justice n democracy. he had

 

a

great life a good wife who by d way was put into jail for 12 months for an incident with a

painting. now here in our country ppl get away with d biggest crimes n she was put into jail for

a

painting????now why didnt he just sit at home put his coments forward on cricket n enjoy a

 

gr8 life

ill

tell u y, it because he knew pakistan is not going any where with dese fake

 

presidents whose only objective is to make america happy.n may i also bring to d ppls

attention dat recently he was put in house arrest wen his party wanted to do a rally against

mussaraf n bush.he was put into house arrest before d rally

wat

was his

crime???????now we as pakistanis have to stand by d ppl who really want d betterment of our country and not insult d great ppl who have put foward their lives for pakistan, we owe it to dem!!!!!!!!!i hope i have cleared up some visions ALLAH HAFIZ

hope i have cleared up some visions ALLAH HAFIZ Cheeky 3/9/2006 3:05 PM Bhutto made nuclear

3/9/2006 3:05 PM Bhutto made nuclear bomb for us---he did not made it, he started it

but any how he gets the

credit for that. For this, i can conclude that he was a better leader than nawaz shareef or bay nazir. But we are here talking about bhutto in a greater context. We got the feeling from the replies of fans of the bhutto that he is such a great leader that he has done miracles for pakistan. 2:Bhutto made the STEEL MILL---Ok, that is again a sign of a leader and not just an ordinary politician. For this, i can give a counter example of motorway made by nawaz shareef. I believe that projects like motorway also does have effect in the progress of our country. Similarly, there are a lot of other such developmetns that have happened without bhutto like Heavy Mechanical Complex etc etc.

3-Bhutto wanted to create a muslim group like UN

i think it as a negative point

unity of asia against europe and america. I believe any good pakistani leader should first

concentrate on our own country. Once all the problems are finished only then we should try to become the leader of the whole muslim nation. The reason is not that this is not a good idea. The reason is that this will fail. And it was failed very easily as every body should know.

4- Now DR QADEER is rotting in jail

that he has grudge on Dr. qadeer and thats why he is doing this. I think this is not the reason. Perhaps the reason is that he is thinking in a wider context which ordinary people like you and me can not think. He is trying his best to keep his relations normal with the west. And west is power at the moment. What if they put some kind of ecnomic sanctions on pakistan. This will surely have a negative effect on our daily lifes.

All right

--first, bhutto was no doubt a great leader but we should accept that he was only a great visionary.

This is really that i can not understand

This is like china in early 50's or 60's raises the voice for the

I think that musharraf is doing very nice job. Do u think

i want to summarise now

Cheeky 3/9/2006 3:13 PM and he was not very successful otherwise. --secondly, the main reason
Cheeky 3/9/2006 3:13 PM and he was not very successful otherwise. --secondly, the main reason
Cheeky 3/9/2006 3:13 PM and he was not very successful otherwise. --secondly, the main reason

3/9/2006 3:13 PM and he was not very successful otherwise. --secondly, the main reason for bhuttoos popularity is not any of his achievements bhut the only reason is that he talked about rooti, kapra and makan slogan. So, he was like a ray of light for poor people. All i want to say is that we should not only concentrate on that bhuttoo was a great leader(offcourse, he was a great pakistani leader) but we should also accept that he was not very successful on practical grounds. And his policies were not at the very best.

we should also accept that he was not very successful on practical grounds. And his policies
we should also accept that he was not very successful on practical grounds. And his policies
we should also accept that he was not very successful on practical grounds. And his policies
grounds. And his policies were not at the very best. Danial 3/10/2006 1:05 AM directed to

3/10/2006 1:05 AM directed to MR CHEEKY, how can u say dat BHUTTO was not successful in d practical sense? u r saying nawaz shareef made d national high way, now tell me how many ppl got

permanent employment because of dat? u said dat america is d power rite now n musarraf is only trying to build good relations with

dem

prime minister wen he recently went to america.he was made to take his shoes off!!!!!n now wen bush came to pk, all he said dat he wanted terrorism finished n all dese days u can here from musarafs mouth is dat iam working against terrorism n extremism.do u personally think dat by killing dese so called terrorist in wazirustan, dat r our paki brothers musarraff will wipe out extremism. d only way to wipe out extremism is to educate ppl, provide dem with a better life n help dem develop.now coming back to ur point about BHUTTOS popularity. u said BHUTTO was popular becoz he made promises to ppl abt roti kapra n so on. just tell me its a fact today d rich r geting richer n d poor r geting poorer. d sugar prices r at 40 rs in pk rite now. dis never happened in BHUTTOS time.even so BHUTTO opened universities and hospitals in cities like quetta, peshawar,larkana in which facilities like dis did not exsist until d 70s, now hows dat for practical. do u know dat china is d future super power, BHUTTO was d person who made dese relations possible with china.coming toward DR QADEER dude wat ever he did, he is our national hero, hes my hero. a national hero should not be treated like dat,DR QADEER should have been relieved of his duties not put in jail wat ever his crime was, which by d way i think he has done d rite thing.

how

by bowing down to dem? i hope u are aware of d way d americans treated our

3/10/2006 1:47 AM BHUTTO made d pakistan constitutuion.he also got his oposition leaders to sign

3/10/2006 1:47 AM BHUTTO made d pakistan constitutuion.he also got his oposition leaders to sign on dem. he also called d first islamic confrence in d history, in lahore in 1974, in which even MUJHEEB UR REHMAN was invited(bangladesh leader at dat time). d QASIM PORT was also build in his time, one more of his achievments.n about d point on becoming d leader of muslims, i dont think dat was not his objective.a muslim UN would have ment d collective voices of all muslim leaders.d main reason for his trying to make d united nations is dat he wanted to make all d muslim ppl to become united n not be dependant on d west.n for cheekys point on america being d power rite now, america would not have been d super power if we had our own muslim united nation.n again about d point dat BHUTTO only started d nuclear program

n

was not able to finish it, it was because he killed. if he wer alive for longer time i think he

would have seen d whole program through.

hope i have not offende any 1 here, all i want to do is for d ppl to have more facts before day judge BHUTTO.

i

3/10/2006 5:40 AM

u r saying nawaz shareef made d national high way, now tell me how many ppl got

permanent employment because of dat?--- A lot of progress has been made in pakistan since 1947 and lots of people have got jobs because of that. so steel mill was only one of the

series. A big deal but NOT such a big deal.

only one of the series. A big deal but NOT such a big deal. Cheeky i

i hope u are aware of d way d americans treated our prime minister wen he recently went to

america.he was made to take his shoes off!!---ahan, so do u think that our prime minister was

happy because of that? I guess

so

may say that well we are nuclear power

between pakistan and USA? I think its always better to play the trump cards at the end!

Secondly, i want to clear my point of view

i am discussing bhutto only. may be he was better than musharraf. no problem. but perhaps

you are trying to defend bhutto's agressive nature. But if bhuttoo had been in this position, i can imagine what he would be doing! Giving speeches like at UN. Scolding the whole world and declaring war against them. Could this improve the situation by any means? I want an

Could this improve any kind of situation

answer from you for this

betterment of islamic nation or any other?

what if they put economic sanctions and what if they started bombing in pakistani areas

and the "why" has been answered by musharraf as well

but the thing is that do you want a nuclear war

i

am not comparing bhutto with any of the leaders.

economic or military or

Cheeky 3/10/2006 5:55 AM just tell me its a fact today d rich r geting
Cheeky 3/10/2006 5:55 AM just tell me its a fact today d rich r geting
Cheeky 3/10/2006 5:55 AM just tell me its a fact today d rich r geting

3/10/2006 5:55 AM just tell me its a fact today d rich r geting richer n d poor r geting poorer.--- I accept that this is the main achievement of the bhuttoo, he wants social reforms. And i must admitt that social reforms are needed. For this, i can again say that bhutto was a great pakistani leader. He has the vision. But again, i am forced to say that he was not very successful for implementing his reforms (what so ever was the reason) and his reforms were not the best. Instead of nationalizing the private factories. He could have put attention on other matters. For example, education, law and order,tax reforms and making new industries instead of nationalizing the already present one. I am not here to denounce bhutto or even his policies. I believe that he was the first stone in the pond. What i want to say is that we as a nation should learn from his mistakes and should accept that he indeed made mistakes instead of making an idol out of him. (please bear with my speeling mistakes if there are any)

he indeed made mistakes instead of making an idol out of him. (please bear with my
he indeed made mistakes instead of making an idol out of him. (please bear with my
he indeed made mistakes instead of making an idol out of him. (please bear with my
(please bear with my speeling mistakes if there are any) Cheeky 3/10/2006 5:57 AM DR QADEER

3/10/2006 5:57 AM DR QADEER should have been relieved of his duties not put in jail wat ever his crime was,-- Ok, allright, Dr. qadeer is my hero as well. i am not taking side of musharraf. So may be you are right.

Cheeky

3/10/2006 6:02 AM he also called d first islamic confrence in d history,

this

has been answered by nabeel as

well that islamic confrence is called rountinely after some years in different muslim countries.

 
Sanaullah @Cheeky 3/10/2006 11:03 AM U r afraid of America Are u a Muslim ??

@Cheeky 3/10/2006 11:03 AM

U r afraid of America

Are u a Muslim ?? America can not attack us

Mr.Bhutto

Mr.Bhutto's Nuclear Programme

we are living as a Nation

??

keep

in mind just because of Nuclear Programme of

again

U

need not to be afraid of America it will not attack u

Time

to think

Mr.Bhutto

Mr.Bhutto

is my National Hero

!

just because of

was the Leader because of whom

Danial

3/10/2006 11:54 AM dude i dont think u have read all wat i have written.n to refresh ur memory dis comunity is for BHUTTOS fans not for his critisizers!!!!! BHUTTO was d first person to call a muslim leader

confrence

initiative.

d first. its not a matter of how many happened after dat he was a first 1 to take d

 

3/10/2006 12:24 PM

dat he was a first 1 to take d   3/10/2006 12:24 PM It was the

It was the second islamic conference in lahore and not the first one. First islamic conference was in Rabat, Kingdom of Morocco, on 12 Rajab 1389H (25 September 1969).

3/11/2006 12:06 PM fuck bhooto

3/11/2006 12:06 PM fuck bhooto

12:06 PM fuck bhooto ~ K Д mi- g™~ ♥ ! Madiha 3/12/2006 4:27 AM lets

3/12/2006 4:27 AM

lets conjugate. Bhutto gave us a present ( and im sorry it sounds cliched and decadent but it

really is)

at

a price.

He got to compromise his country only because he wasnt a so-called "smart politician" so as

to play his trump card

The thing is, the father of the nation, helped put this dream in action of our country

ppl who came from allover the subcontinent to run it sadly lacked the intensity of loyalty. Loyalty was only on the biased towards their relative returns from it.

In a conscious and unconscious manner.

but

the

coming back to the nuclear issue, i wonder what else would the prime minster have to releive from himself if we didnt even half the nuclear bomb??

This bomb is our one and only trump card as you say consequence to the west.

sadly,

noting else we have is of

Madiha

@kami 3/12/2006 4:38 AM

yeah well

its

wierd that people who despise certain people, create special time out to

brandish their achievements do you even know what they are?

brandish their achievements do you even know what they are? Cheeky 3/12/2006 5:03 AM First, in

3/12/2006 5:03 AM First, in my opinion, bhuttoo gave us the principles like courage,self independence ,self respect, social reforms,democracy etc. But he was not successful to take us to the heights of the destination. Steel Mill etc were only tiny achievements. See how other nations like germany, japan, china, india have done marvelous things in the same span of time. Coming to the nuclear bomb and the trump card. The thing is that in this thread, i only want to talk about bhuttoo. I am not defending musharraf's government. I support democracy at the first instance. Secondly, by using the trump card, i did not mean to use the nuclear bomb. What i meant was that the strategy of being polite by the musharraf government is OK if not best. But this is a small matter. I do not even want to talk about this. This was in response to the post about the behaviour by US officials with shaukat aziz at his arrival to the US.

Cheeky 3/12/2006 5:05 AM First, in my opinion, bhuttoo gave us the pr inciples like
Cheeky 3/12/2006 5:05 AM First, in my opinion, bhuttoo gave us the pr inciples like
Cheeky 3/12/2006 5:05 AM First, in my opinion, bhuttoo gave us the pr inciples like

3/12/2006 5:05 AM First, in my opinion, bhuttoo gave us the principles like courage,self independence ,self respect, social reforms,democracy etc. But he was not successful to take us to the heights of the destination. Steel Mill etc were only tiny achievements. See how other nations like germany, japan, china, india have done marvelous things in the same span of time. Coming to the nuclear bomb and the trump card. The thing is that in this thread, i only want to talk about bhuttoo. I am not defending musharraf's government. I support democracy at the first instance. Secondly, by using the trump card, i did not mean to use the nuclear bomb. What i meant was that the strategy of being polite by the musharraf government is OK if not best. But this is a small matter. I do not even want to talk about this. This was in response to the post about the behaviour by US officials with shaukat aziz at his arrival to the US.

this. This was in response to the post about the behaviour by US officials with shaukat
this. This was in response to the post about the behaviour by US officials with shaukat
this. This was in response to the post about the behaviour by US officials with shaukat
by US officials with shaukat aziz at his arrival to the US. Danial 3/13/2006 2:34 AM

3/13/2006 2:34 AM well, just becsuse u say d steel mill is not a big deal it doesnt make it any smaller of a deal. d steel mill employed 45000 ppl dat worked directly in d plants n administration.

 

3/13/2006 2:42 AM

Danial

This is in response to cheeky's point about BHUTTO not concentrating more on education

and welfare of people

I

would advise you to read before you type cheeky. I have written

previously that, BHUTTO was the first prime minister to make universities and hospitals in cities like PESHAWAR,QUETTA,LARKANA, in which facilities like this did not even exist until

 

the mid 70s.

 

3/13/2006 2:51 AM

until   the mid 70s.   3/13/2006 2:51 AM Madiha well, these countries did so great

well, these countries did so great in that specified time-span as you say, mainly because of their leaders and the people.

We as a nation have our work cut out for us

certain others down ,well, reality check here:_ nothing good is going to happen in your

country dude. You can bet on that front, right and centre.

Coming to the point, of the islamic conference

the 2nd, cheeky

history

He gave them the easiest way to become a superpower

areas or weapons like the west faith in them

if

certain masses spend more time into putting

well,

its not really important if it was the 1st or

we didnt have selected

but

its the one in which Bhutto gave the muslim leaders( at that period in

just

AT each other

/)

now

all they seem to do is talk, talk and not TO each other

but

collectively

we had brains which needed capital investments and

The muslim leaders like the King Faisal and Khalid of Saudiarabia and those of UAE, they were giving blank checks to Bhutto cause he had a vision, and he knew he could lead all these countries into it.

 

3/13/2006 2:56 AM the islamic confernce inundated by Bhutto was indeed a cursory glance to the west and its

mediocrisy of thought

we

had the resources which we had to keep IN our court-yard

This alarmed the West and aided by the so-called pat riotic opportunist(pak istani, im afraid)

This alarmed the West

and

aided by the so-called patriotic opportunist(pakistani, im afraid)

Ziaul-Haq

incarcerated

bhutto and his legacy so as to keep their dreams from becoming

nightmares.

And the lack of development or its limited evidence in Pakistan today is due to this fact that NOT 1 leader seems to have the backbone to stand up and follow in the legacy that Bhutto created How can they? These "leaders" ALL have hidden skeletons in their closets ,which the big bad West is keeping a damn close eye on, eh?

,which the big bad West is keeping a damn close eye on, eh? Madiha bhutto's point

bhutto's point in the conference 3/13/2006 3:01 AM 1) Keep the oil in our muslim wold

2) Get you money out from the world bank and Geneva and keep it to be spent for the muslim

world's benefit

so

as to not let the west freeze or abuse these funds

3) the 1st islamic conference was merely a fashion statement

ALL the muslim world leaders Bhutto's conference enticed all of them to come an join under 1 roof

it

had diplomats mostly

not

never happened before.

4)Create a muslim army

needed It would have helped the poor American led-late-realized NATO rescue mission in places like

Kosovo and Bosnia

so

as to defend muslim sovereignity

and

help asap where

we

could have done then what they hate to do now.

3/13/2006 3:31 AM nice answer yaar kami,now just tell us how many hours did it

3/13/2006 3:31 AM nice answer yaar kami,now just tell us how many hours did it take you to come up with such a "WITTY ONE LINER"!!!!

come up with such a "WITTY ONE LINER"!!!! Danial Maharana 3/16/2006 6:56 AM Seperation of east

3/16/2006 6:56 AM Seperation of east pakistan,nationalization,destruction of industrial base,tradition of rigged elections and much more

 

3/17/2006 6:12 PM Earlier I gave this link Seperation of east Pakistan I think you have not been able to open it I have cut/paste the same for your convenience

Bhutto was behind the breakup of pakistn---This phrase echoes every now and then---- There were

Bhutto was behind the breakup of pakistn---This phrase echoes every now and then---- There were several occasions where the establishment always hostile to Bhutto could prove it if it was true. At least two documents; the white paper (a number of books almost 1700 pages released at different occasions by Zia containing forged documents) and the Hamood ur Rahman Commission Report does not accuse Bhutto of the charge. Zia had to conspire with false charges and fictitious stories which were not political in nature to get rid of Bhutto. Idher hum udhar tum was a Jamat Jasarat lies and conspiracy.

Yahya the following generals todate are guided by the lobby which works for some kind of a role for the army in Pakistan politics. Yahya imposed a binding condition on the elected representatives of Pakistan to prepare and agree on a constitution within 90 days of the commencement of the assembly, namely LFO. If the assembly was not able to give a constitution Yahya had his constitution authored by Justice Cornelius ready to be implemented which gave a presidential form of government run by him. Tufail of Jamat had seen it and was in favor and declared it to be Islamic. Mujeeb won on the basis of six points which were said to be authored by some bureaucrat (Hamood Report hints). Mujeeb’s manifesto was nothing but a recipe for separation.

manifesto was nothing but a recipe for separation. Syed Continued 3/17/2006 6:14 PM Not attending the

Continued 3/17/2006 6:14 PM Not attending the assembly; Bhutto was very clear about that. He did stop his party members to attend the assembly session. He set preconditions for the session to start. He said that calling of the assembly was a trap of Yahya to prolong military rule. He wanted the 90 days condition imposed by LFO be removed and the assembly be allowed to work and deliberate on the agreement for the people of Pakistan to live together. If the 90 days condition stayed he wanted all the major political leaders to agree on all the important points of the future constitution.

When ZAB gave the constitution in 71 he got together JUI, NAP, and PPP to agree on the draft and sign it before taking it to the assembly. What he confessed was that the mess created by the civil military establishment for about 25 years could not be cleared with in 90 days with LFO hanging on the heads of the parliamentarians. What Mujeeb wanted was separate currency, finance, foreign policy, trade, armed forces, banking system etc. Bhutto went to the extent of accepting 5 points of Mujeeb.

IF MUJEEB EVER WAS A PAKISTNI HE SHOULD HAVE NAMED HIS COUNTRY PAKISTAN AND DEMANDED THE WESTERN PORTION ALSO. I supported Bhutto as his voter and support now as his admirer.

3/18/2006 12:17 AM just build a nation or murder the berocracy culture nd tht y

3/18/2006 12:17 AM just build a nation or murder the berocracy culture nd tht y he was a leader

 
Mustafa 3/18/2006 2:27 AM Shaheed Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto's foremost acheivement was that he removed the

3/18/2006 2:27 AM Shaheed Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto's foremost acheivement was that he removed the poor man from

the clutches of the powerful

would have been in the hands of the few who were portege of the west

for

the first time

spite for the rich he did it because he was a PATRIOT and it was very rightly said JAB TAK SOORAJ CHAND RAHEY GA BHUTTO TERA NAAM RAHEY GAH

and he did not do it due to

zulfiqar ali khan brought a social revolution

my dear if there wud have been no bhutto today

the power

sain

the feudals

sain zulfiqar ali khan empowered the poor

the middle class dared to get up against the rich

kîdD¥

3/18/2006 3:51 AM

true! But, the best thing I liked about Bhutto is his unforgettable service in acquiring nuclear weapons for pakistan.

in acquiring nuclear weapons for pakistan. ƒØÛ-Lú Noor 3/18/2006 4:44 AM I dont know whether somebody

3/18/2006 4:44 AM I dont know whether somebody has written this earlier or not but I want to mention one more acheivement of Shaheed Bhutto, he, after the division of this country, gathered people and brought back the lost moral and confidence of this nation. If someone says Bhutto was the one responsible for the division of the country, I will not confront because no one can give final verdict on this issue. Just look at things from the perspective that when we were people who had lost greater part of its country, we were people who were defeated twice by our enemy, we were people who waited for 12th fleet to come for our rescue which never shown up, we were people who had no friends in need and in deed, we were people whose 90000 soldiers were in prisons of enemy, we were people whose ruling dictator left us when we were in grief, who picked us up from the floor and made us a proud nation. Nation, the word has lost its spirit for us after the Shahadat of Bhutto, now we are same old people Punjabi, Muhajir, Sindhi, Baloch and Pakhtun.

3/18/2006 5:06 AM

3/18/2006 5:06 AM

yep, this disunion of us

its been one of the biggest dilemma for our nation and

surprisingly its still found nowadays and even in a broader sense

4/2/2006 4:31 AM

@noor

your

words are brutal but right as for now.

ZAB culdnt clear up the military's sef-induced-self-involved opportunistic mess which sky- rocketed the east pakistan issue into a virago

which sky- rocketed the east pakistan issue into a virago Madiha its was claimed to be

its was claimed to be his fault when he wasnt even in power at the time of this and its

creation

(25

yrs before)

he was a convenient scapegoat for the army holders, who proclaimed to be saviours with their own issues at hand

sometimes i feel sorry for the general soldeirs in the armed forces about "serving their own country and protecting it" hah. serving opportunists that is what they have to be doing.

they are so idealistic

4/11/2006 6:29 AM bhutto murdered 23 poloticions and 400 innocent people , may his soul

4/11/2006 6:29 AM bhutto murdered 23 poloticions and 400 innocent people , may his soul burn in hell

Flex 4/11/2006 6:30 AM syed my old haggerd freind offense, y dont u go outside

4/11/2006 6:30 AM syed my old haggerd freind

offense, y dont u go outside and i dont know water some plants or something

sir

you are sadly mistaken the shit ur writing is utter shit no

Kashif

@Mehr 4/11/2006 12:52 PM You are the same as your photo. I think You better keep your mouth shut. The person who dosent know how to behave with the seniors must keep their presence out of the civilised debate

Who the hell you are who decide whether Bhutto must be hell or not. I suggest you to concentrate on prays that Allah forgive u

I suggest you to concentrate on prays that Allah forgive u 4/11/2006 11:33 PM A- he

4/11/2006 11:33 PM A- he decided to die but not ran away, B- he insisted a nuclear Pakistan at extreme cost if he was after chair he would not have decided to go with, which endangered his chair, C- Most of Pakistani Defence industry constructed in his period, D- he gave a gift of Pakistan Steel to people, E- He awakened the people to stand up and regard and maintain self respect, when people are respected then pakistan is respected, F- his govt. took honor and prepared the constitution 1973 passed in the parliament unanimously. G- he started real freindship with China since he was Foreign Minister, H- he started an era of independent foreign policy, I- he set higher prices for agriculture products to benefit farmers and pakistan as well, and

enacted tax relief for the poorest agriculture workers and placed ceilings on land owner ship,

J- he inaugurated karachi nuclear power plant in 1972, K- Kahuta facility was also installed in

his era, L- The Senate of pakistan was created in his era, M- The council of common interst for each province was established in his era, N- Labour Laws passed to ensure the future of labour, O- Several new posts were created in Pakistan Army to increase combat ability, P- prices were very much lower during his period as compared to the dollar price,

 

4/12/2006 9:11 AM My dear young and newly hatched fellow, you started with the photo of a lady on your profile which turned into a dog and now you are a thin body builder trying to keep yourself fit. Flex, Mehr or what ever variety or species you belong to. Don’t you think you are a confused person? The language you use for a great leader reflects your state of mind and state of maturity you are in. Kid; grow up and decide what you actually are.

What murders you are talking about? Clear you mind and try to dig out the

What murders you are talking about? Clear you mind and try to dig out the real facts. The trial against Bhutto was a judicial setup against him. It was an in-camera trial; against all judicial norms the trial was taken up directly by the Lahore high court. The presiding judge was the most biased person and an enemy of Zurfikar Ali Bhutto incapable of delivering any justice. He has been accused of prompting and harassing the witnesses during the cross- examination to get the statements of his choice against Bhutto. He has been accused of going to Zia pleading even before any hearing, that it is only he who can hang Bhutto.

All the leaders of PNA who conspired with army to over throw Bhutto don’t have the face to publicly side with the trial judges who were against Bhutto. Retired Justice Naseem Hassan shah on TV program Jawabdeh has publicly admitted that members of the then judiciary were afraid to loose their jobs.

topic: East Pakistan:The end game

 

East Pakistan:The end game 1/12/2006 12:53 AM Finally some one has the balls to speak up openly. Unfortunately its too late.

This should be a lesson for those who are conducting operations in Balochistan and NWFP for similar reasons.

operations in Balochistan and NWFP for similar reasons. Here is a snapshopt from the book.  

Here is a snapshopt from the book.

 

Siddiqi also exposes the infamous General Niazi who shamelessly defended the rapists by declaring that: “You cannot expect a man to live, fight and die in East Pakistan and go to Jhelum for sex, would you?”

You can buy the book from Dukandar

 

1/12/2006 9:35 PM @junaid

as early as 1969, Tariq Ali criticized the army rule in Pakistan in his book

as early as 1969, Tariq Ali criticized the army rule in Pakistan in his book “Pakistan: Military rule or People’s power” [I’ve yet to read it] and became a bitter critic of its actions in East Pakistan in 1971.

Around the mid 1990s, I read his other book “Can Pakistan Survive? The Death of a State”, which was supposedly an ‘expansion’ of the previously mentioned one. Now I don’t remember most of what I read, but I sure was surprised by the author’s criticism of the Pakistan govt. and army on the East Pakistan question.

 

Pakistan resources must be defended 1/12/2006 10:23 PM The Pakistani military's "alleged" misconduct in 1971 does not, in any way, mean that the Pakistani military is carrying out atrocities in Baluchistan. This is faulty logic.

Recently, Asma Jehangir, the representative of the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan, was in Baluchistan

Recently, Asma Jehangir, the representative of the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan, was in Baluchistan to assess the situation first hand. She reported counter claims from both the Bugtis and the military.

 

Baluchistan has vast energy resources (natural gas and possibly oil)that must be protected and secured at all cost. These resources belong to the Pakistani people. The Pakistani military apparently is working on behalf of the Pakistani people.

These natural resources do not belong to any tribe, Baluch or otherwise.

1/13/2006 1:49 AM The Pakistani military's "alleged" misconduct in 1971 does not

1/13/2006 1:49 AM The Pakistani military's "alleged" misconduct in 1971 does not

please explain the extra effort made by putting those double qoutes around the word alleged.

 

1/13/2006 1:51 AM This is faulty logic.

you are right. i didnt mean to infer that because pakistan army commited murders in

you are right. i didnt mean to infer that because pakistan army commited murders in bengladesh thats why it is also commiting murders in balochistan.

 

i only meant to emphasize that those who dont learn their history are condemned to repeat it.

1/13/2006 1:52 AM Recently, Asma Jehangir, the representative of the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan,