September 9, 2008

Transcriber, this is Detective Keith Roberts, Louisville Metro Police Homicide Squad. Today's date is September 9, 2008. The approximate time now is 1228 hours. This will be a taped statement from Mr. James Wong. This will be in reference to Case file #08-197.

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Mr. Wong, are you, uh, aware this conversation is being recorded? Yes sir. Does this meet with your approval? Yes sir. Okay. For the record, could you please state your name, and spell it for me? James J-A-M-E-S Wong W-O-N-G. And what's your home address? x Okay. Uh, I'm taking this statement in reference to the events that happened on 08/20/08 that occurred during the PRP football practice. Uh, in your own words, could you please describe the events, uh, of that day, uh

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from the beginning to the end of practice. Wong Roberts Wong Roberts Wong Roberts Wong Uh, well, practice. practice. Okay. It wasn't really horrible, I wasn't really the best practice effort. Okay. But the team was really slacking. Okay. We were walking around, and Coach, Coach doesn't really like that. So we got in trouble because we were really slacking. We were walking in and out of every drill. So when the coach told us… After our water break, he told us to get on the line and run gassers. And, uh, we probably, probably ran about 15, maybe 20 gassers around that area. Okay. And so we understand what a gasser is, you all are on the field running. Is that correct? Yeah. On the field running. It's, it's, uh, it's about 50 yards up, 50 yards back; 50 yards up, and back again. Which is one? Which is one gasser. And this is going across the field, not the length of the field, right? Practice wasn't a great

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Yeah. It's goin' across the field. Okay. Now, uh, how were the water breaks given? Were they individually, or as a team? Uh, it is a team. Like, there, we have like the line backers, and the linemen… Uh-huh. We, we go individually like after each drill. Okay. How long does each drill last about? Approximately? I'd say around… Some drills, mostly the small drills, 10 to 15 minutes. Okay. Probably, probably 15 the max… Okay. …the most. And probably, probably, I'd say around 10, maybe near the (inaudible). Okay. Uh, on that particular day, uh, how many water breaks did you personally take? I know, I know there's one, one near the beginning of practice. I know there was another 'cause, uh, after this drill, then I had, had to go back to another drill. So it's three. Uh, from there, uh, the one before we ran the gassers, I had probably four. Four. And after the last water break, uh, what did the

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practice consist of? Wong Huh. Uh, it was, it was supposed to be like, actually like a real light practice. Because it was, I remember it was on a Wednesday, and it wasn't really that, that big a practice yet because season hasn't really started. So it was probably the drills weren't really that much. My drills were running through bags and, uh, going through agility drills. Nothin' really big. Not yet. So what are you? A running back? Uh-uh. I'm a line backer. A line backer. So you would basically, uh, the drills, uh, after the, the water breaks, you all do individual type drills. Yes. And then there's… I remember there's this, uh, is, uh, it's like hard base period where we'd learn the plays. Like we'd stand or get on the knee and watch the coaches do 'em. They'll instruct us on plays, and we'd learn… That's probably the, the longest. I'd say it's probably 20 minutes in that time. And who is your position coach? Coach Houser. Houser? Houser. Okay. Uh, why was the team, uh, running sprints?

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Uh, people got back from the water, and the coaches yelled for like, uh, another drill to be started basically. Like a team drill where we'd go seven-on-seven, basically passing and all that. And the linemen would go into their drill, basically just, uh, usually one-on-one, O line verses D Line, stuff like that. Well, people walked from the water break. They were walking, walking to their drill. And Coach, coaches were yellin' for them to hurry up, and they were still walkin'. And throughout practice, people were really, not really doin' that good. And everything was real slow. People were walking in, being lazy that day. Okay. That's probably why we got in trouble. Okay. Uh, how many sprints did your group run? Uh… Approximately? My, uh, I know I ran, ran more than the linemen. I know that. Uh, uh, probably, I think I ran maybe 18 or 19, maybe. I'm not sure, but… Okay. Max of probably 20, 20 gassers… Okay. …for me.

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And, and what group were you in? Uh, usually there is like the linemen group that would run. Uh-huh. And that would be the little guys, like the backers. Gotcha… The smaller guys. Alright. Uh, and the smaller guys, you believe, ran more than the linemen? Yeah. If I remember. Was it because the linemen is, was too tired or No. It's because… They, it's okay… It's because how the gassers started off. Like it'd be little guys, then big guys. Little guys, and big guys. So I think I ran… We ran more, like once, one more, than them. Okay. And how many sprints do you remember running, uh, before you were able to start taking off any of your, your gear? I think probably around, around, uh, eight or ten. Okay.

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That's usually, we run eight or ten on, on a daily basis. And how many sprints did you run after you took your gear off? Hum. First we took our helmets off. I remember, I think we ran three or four gassers. And from there, Coach told us to take our, uh, shoulder pads off. Then, we ran, uh, probably three or four after that. So anywhere from like six to ten after all the gear was off? Yeah. And from a time prospective, how long do you think you all were running the sprints? Hum. I really can't answer that. I really don't know. Okay. I really try not to keep track of that time 'cause I just wanta… Okay. I mean, does it feel like it was more than 10 minutes long before everybody finished? I don't know. To me, every, every gas, every time we can run, it feels like we're out there for an eternity. Okay. So I really don't know. I mean, it might just

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probably been like 30 or 40 minutes, but to me, it always feels like seven hours. Roberts Okay. Alright. Uh, during the time you all were running, uh, your sprints, uh, did anybody ask for water? Uh, I really don't remember 'cause usually it's, we're all on a side line on the field, and I'm on the, probably the far side with probably lesser people. Uh-huh. So I really, I really don't know if anybody asked for water, but I couldn't hear 'em because I was on the side where nobody really wasn't There running' with me. Okay. Did any, any, uh, did you or any of your teammates become ill during the running of the sprints? Uh, what do you mean by ill? Did you, uh, get sick? Did you throw up? Did you feel dizzy? Did anybody feel like, you know, I'm just gonna sit down because I don't feel good? I could tell you people were tired, but when Coach, Coach saw some like, one of my friends, Antonio… Uh-huh. He was wheezing real bad, and he was really pushin' it real hard to his, probably his, his max because I, I know him and he had, he had run

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his hardest, and he was breathing real hard. And he said he, he kept on goin'. Coach, Coach said, uh, took him out. Roberts Wong Roberts Wong Roberts Wong Roberts Wong What's, what's, do you know Antonio's last name? Uh, Antonio Calloway. And you said he was just wheezing? Just… Yeah. …did he have asthma or somethin'… Uh… …that you know of? I don't think he has asthma, but like I heard from him… We've, we've known that he had like a heart murmur, but I don't think it really has anything to do with that because he's been checked by two doctors before… Uh-huh. And he's cleared, he was cleared to come back. It was probably a long time ago. When, when Calloway, uh, kind of like got, got, looked a little bad, uh, was this uh, before you were able to take any pads off or afterwards or during the whole thing? This was probably after the pads were off. Where everything was off.

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Okay. Anybody else you remember? No. I only remember Antonio and Max. That's who? Max? Is that his first name or last name? Max. Max Gilpin. Gilbin? Oh. Okay. My friend. And, and, was this was he, did he uh, fall before or after doin' the sprints? This was after. On the last one. The last sprint? Yeah. He was, uh, I didn't personally see him 'cause he was on the other side, but… Uh-huh. But I heard he was, he was really actually fine before. Like during the gassers, he wasn't breathing real hard… Uh-huh. …Uh, he wasn't, like, ill or anything. He was just almost the last one that… But I heard that on the last one, that's when he fell. Okay. So… I heard he was fine throughout all of them.

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Okay. During any of the practices this year, have you personally seen or heard of any of your teammates being injured or quitting the team? Uh, personally, I've like, I've had I've been havin' hamstring problems since last season. Okay. So usually when I run, I'll run, but when, when I have when my hamstrings can't really take it, which it like once in like a blue moon… Uh-huh. …uh, I will tell Coach, but, uh, I'll always try my best, try to like see if I can keep on goin' like. Play through the pain a little bit? Just a little bit. But when it really starts…

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Transcriber, this is the continuation of a statement with Mr. Wong. Okay. Go on and talk about your hamstring. Right. The hamstring. Like when it really gets hurting really bad, after I've played through, after I've ran through a little bit of it, I'll tell Coach. 'Cause sometimes… Well, they know about my hamstring injury. I just, I wouldn't

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really just straight up tell 'em but I'll run, I'll run through it and when it's, when it's hurting pretty bad… 'Cause I wouldn't say hurt, but when it's tightening up… Roberts Wong Roberts Wong Roberts Wong Roberts Wong Roberts Uh-huh. …real bad and my leg's really can't lift up, I'll tell Coach and they understand. Okay. And did anybody, uh, you know of any of your teammates to quit? I really don't, don't remember anybody quitting. Okay. Like quitting the team or… Right. I really don't remember that. Okay. And as far as your injury, it wasn't anything that's, uh, like you had a broken ankle… Nothin like… …or (inaudible). Everything is semi-minor. Yeah. It's stuff that you might be able to play through from time to time? Yeah.

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Okay. Uh, has anyone influenced you in any way to withhold information or change any of the facts that actually occurred during the practice? No Is this statement truthful? Yeah. And do you have anything else you wanta add? Somethin' I didn't ask you or you think might be important to what we're goin' through here? Uh, usually, we run gassers like after every practice. I mean, this is normal that we're running probably, probably ten, probably ten gassers… Uh-huh. Usually, we're, we're being timed for gassers. We run four of 'em. Uh-huh. The little guys, we're supposed to make 'em, uh, within' 45 seconds or less. And if we don't make 'em, we, we run eight. So every time it's being timed, so if we make all four of 'em, we don't have to run anymore. But on a usual day, we don't make 'em; it'll be eight or ten. I mean, that's real normal. So… Just…

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…if anybody… …if anybody doesn't make it… Like, let's say I'm the only person that makes it and everybody doesn't, we still have to run eight. And if everybody makes it besides just one person, we still have to run eight. And everybody would have to do it? Uh… I mean, you said you made yours, you know, would you have to run, run 'em again because…. Yeah. …you, you were the only one that made… Yeah. …within 45 seconds? Yeah. But it, but if the little guys… Let's say the little guys… Uh-huh. If we didn't make it, but the O line make all four of there's… Uh-huh. They're probably finished, but that hasn't really happened yet. Okay. But that day, did you all run an inordinate amount of time, or more than

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normal? Wong Roberts It was, it was a border normal. Border normal. And it was… And it was … Wong Roberts Wong Because… …because people were lazy? Yeah. Slack. It was… We weren't even really… The team was just not into it. We weren't even hitting each other right. WE were just probably goin' up to each other and huggin' each other. That's it. We didn't even… That's what probably did it. Goin' through the motions a little bit? Yeah. Goin' through the motions. basically what we did. That's

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Okay. Okay. Uh, well, with that, we will, uh, end the taped statement. The approximate time is 1246 hours.

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