Dialogue with "Hidden Hand", Self-Proclaimed Illuminati Insider

by Wes Penre, Illuminati News, Dec 27, 2008 Spanish version

his self-proclaimed illuminati [def] Insider appeared on the "Above Top Secret" forum in October 2008, giving away information about the Illuminati Agenda and their goals. The reason for this, he says, is because time is right for us to know some of what is going on behind the scenes. And when he explains WHY he needs to reveal it now, it's very convincing. In this article I will post the dialogue between the "Above Top Secret Forum" members and "Hidden Hand" in its entirety. Please take time to read through this whole dialogue (yes, I know it's long, but I think we all can benefit from it, even if you end up not believing what is said). When you read it, you need to have an open mind; you can't be stuck in dogma or think you "have it all figured out" already, because then it doesn't matter what he says, you won't believe it. Here are some points which makes him very believable; one being that the forum members he is communicating with make up pages after pages of random questions (as you can see in this article) and he answers them intelligently and precisely without the delay it would take for a person presenting a hoax to come up with them. This is also what the forum members notice. And he is consistent! Many of the questions are very good, deep, to the point and philosophical, and this guy (or woman, we don't know - this being claims not to be from this Earth), manages to reply on a very deep level, and his answers don't contradict each other. In an advanced and intelligent dialogue like this, it's very unlikely anyone would be able to do that without giving himself away at some point. You will most certainly notice he/she is sincere. Ever wondered who is "on top of the Pyramid?" He gives us a clue. The bloodline he represents is well above the Rothschild's in power and in the hierarchy and is extra-terrestrial in origin. The 13 bloodlines we have been talking about thus far on this website and others, with the Rothschild's in a top position together with the Merovingian Nobility, are quite low rank in the Big Pyramid Structure, and are the ones playing a power game here on Earth, only aware of parts of the Big Game (a need to know basis). The bloodline "Hidden Hand" is supposedly belonging to is way more advanced and higher rank. I really think this being believes in what he is saying, and whether he is deceived himself to some degree or not, this is most probably what is driving the Illuminati. These are their goals! It leaves you with a pretty strange feeling after have read it all, but deep inside it rings true. His answers may need to be read more than once to understand the different layers of what he is telling us. Afterwards, when you start connecting the dots you notice that a lot of pieces in the big puzzle that previously were missing and left unanswered, suddenly fit. If you are visiting the Illuminati News website for the first time, already have a fair concept of what the Illuminati and the New World Order is about, and you only intend to read ONE article from my huge database, I would say this one would be the one to read! It's been hard to perceive what ULTIMATELY drives the Illuminati. Greed? Yes. Power? Of course.

Control? Sure. But you always have this feeling that there is a deeper mystery behind their "Great Work of the Ages". This may very well be the answer! When you are done reading this article and feel inspired, please go to the website, Law of One, and start absorbing the information presented there. It is a huge database on the same subject, but extensively expanded. Both these article, may if we read them with understanding plus an open mind and an open heart, show us the real so[u]lution to the New World Order [def] problem. Here is the dialogue between the Above Top Secret members [ATS] and "Hidden Hand" [HH], the selfproclaimed Illuminati Insider (the emphases in bold throughout the article are mine to separate out certain keys points I want to highlight):

First Session:
HH: I am a generational member of a Ruling Bloodline Family. Every so often, as per the directives of the Law of our Creator, a brief window of opportunity opens, whereby a select handful of our Family are required to make communication with our subjects, and offer you the chance to ask us any questions you would like answered. I am double-bound in this duty. It is required of me by The Law of our Creator to offer this opportunity to you at this time, though I am also bound by the Law of (planetary) Free Will and by Family Oaths, that there is only so much I am able to say. Rules define life in games. If you wish to participate, here they are: 1). I will afford you courtesy and respect in the manner I address you, and I expect the same from you in reciprocation. 2). I will decide whether or not I am either willing or permitted to answer your question. If your question is not answered, it is either because I cannot disclose it, or because I considered your question was lacking in one or more of the following: respect, courtesy, intelligence, decency, or that it was otherwise unworthy of being dignified with a response. 3). That you agree to treat this potential dialogue with an aspect of "provisional faith". In practice, this means that rather than impeding the flow of information with crass comments of disbelief or petty name calling, my participation here requires of you that you discourse with me under "suspended judgment". In other words, wait until the process is complete, before deciding for yourself as to the content of truth and knowledge imparted herein. 4). That you formulate your questions intelligently. My time is limited. I do not want to waste it by having to trawl through pointless, futile, insensible or disrespectful questions, therefore I will answer the questions I feel are most deserving of a response, during the time that I have available. Use the time we have wisely. If any of the above conditions are breached, I reserve the right to terminate our discourse forthwith, if I so choose.

ATS: To what extent has selective breeding been used to preserve the purity of the line? and what becomes of children of unapproved unions? (They would naturally still be raised with privilege. Leadership. ATS: How many generations back does your bloodline extend. From the earliest times of your recorded "history". Marriages are arranged. I will attempt to answer your questions as honestly and openly as is permissible for me. Imagine if you will. in one way or another. dependant upon the role that the Family members in question are due to grow into. As I say. we hold key positions in all of these main areas of importance. (far more than you are aware of). and beyond. The Family is all. You do as you are told. perhaps "given the keys to the castle" as it were?) HH: The breeding is generally case specific. I will have to reply in parts. In all my years alive. from early childhood. the 'whole' has our undivided loyalty. Before the rise and fall of Atlantis. or. One Family. We are 'born to lead'. and to each of us. ATS: If one were to imagine a scale. out there on the 'stage' of public life. I have never seen or heard of a Family member breaking this code. (Yes. perhaps more accurately. It is part of the design for this current paradigm. Each part has an important role to play in the functioning of the whole. I will check back and respond as time allows. or. or incarnated into it.That being said. is not as important as the Family. Government. that it would be raised as part of the Family. On the rare instances of a child being born that could be seen as bringing 'difficulties'. but not. The six spheres or 'schools' of learning are Military. Scholarship. though would not grow up in the house or community of either of it's parents. We all have an area of specialty. A House would represent a vital organ or body part within the Body itself. Our Family will always intermarry between lines. and each member of the Family is schooled extensively in all of them. the Line is not as important as the House. In the grand scheme of things. many lines. the House. . Religious and Corporate power at the three points. as far as marriage goes. all bases are covered. With the addition of a complicit Media machine and ownership of your Financial establishments. Spiritual. due to the restriction of characters per post. though we have experience in all spheres. who does your family consider its earliest ancestor in a position of power? HH: Our Lineage can be traced back beyond antiquity. you are correct in your premise. There are no unapproved unions. what we would term 'Houses' [1]. I will touch more on this in answer to the next poster's question that you rephrased. perhaps as a triangle with Political. we are One (truly international) Family. Our realms of influence do not fit as comfortably into the three boxes of your triangle as you may imagine. a body. our Family has been 'directing' the 'play' from behind the scenes. and Sciences. that was indeed perfectly real). No matter the House or Line. There are six disciplines of training within the Family. One is 'born'. In practice. One cannot 'join' the Family. how would you categorize the power your family yields? (Balanced? Leaning more towards one or two than a third? Heavily favoring one of the three above the others?) And has that position shifted over time? HH: You need to first understand the structure of the Family.

So there is interpersonal competition in that sense of the word. Yet there are many many other lines that spring from these. from generation to generation.. knowing the line is of no practical use to you.. just Family. toward upward progression. to what you would call an 'alternative' media source. There are 13 'base' or 'core' original bloodlines. Everyone wants to move up. Not from the intention of misleading. Rockefellers? That may be a bit too direct for our inquisitee. ATS: What does the term " generational member" mean? Which generation specifically? HH: It means that one is born into the Family. Once in 2003. as do rivers from the oceans.. Our whole Familial society is geared that way. even these were of other 'esoterically' integrable lines. Only in extremely rare occasions. then you will have some comprehension. ATS: Can you cite two or more previous instances whereby this directive has been upheld? HH: Once in 1999. If you imagine the 13 Original lines as Primary colour. I'd offer the following substitute: How many parallel bloodlines do you estimate are in similar positions to your own. No competition in the sense of House against House.Napoleon making the "Hidden Hand" sign. . Again. as I say. and to what extent does your family see them as either competition or collaborators? HH: Yes. have outsiders been invested into the Family. showing off that he is "initiated" ATS: Which Ruling Bloodline Family. though it is a 'dog eat dog' world. and then. on another internet "conspiracy" based forum. no competition. Though the information relayed was not entirely 'pure'. but rather through imperfect or incomplete knowledge of the messengers. The Order and it's agenda is handed down. that can be mixed to create a vast array of other colours. It is the belonging to the Family that is important.

and the earth was reaped. allow him to believe that he is already free. Stop looking outside of yourself for 'salvation'. ATS: Is the Messiah alive today? HH: There is no "Messiah". By the Family. The question is. The 'earth' is indeed ripe for Harvest. People are seen as 'collateral'. if mostly subtle. Just not maybe prepared in quite the way that you would like. as described in the book of revelations? HH: Yes. How do you become free? By working out where you are. before the coming Harvest. and exerting a strong. and we must play our parts in the game. it will not be believed by the masses. This time is now at hand. and mystery tradition throughout history. for as long as you are incarnating on this planet. yes. it is actually in our own interest that you are prepared for the coming Harvest. according to the Will of the Creator. Is there what you might call a 'Christ Consciousness' alive. in a manner of speaking. and coming to an understanding. but also in the prophesies of virtually every religion. one could say.” 16 So He who sat on the cloud thrust in His sickle on the earth. ATS: By what basis is the timing of such revelations established? HH: By the decree of the Supreme World Council. The very nature of your being here. There is a reason why you are here. If you wish to enslave a man. is indication of that.If it is not in the mainstream controlled media. contrary to popular beliefs. ATS: Is it the end-times. and in His hand a sharp sickle. as given to us by the Creator. . who will be ready? And will the Harvest be Positive. or Negative? ATS: How do you justify that the current British royal family line is the true bloodline. Those that don't make it. you'll know what I mean. Still. ATS: If so. crying with a loud voice to Him who sat on the cloud. will have to repeat the cycle. To use your own example however: Revelation 14:14-16: 14 Then I looked. but Ishmael is not the true receiver of Abraham's gift? If you're true bloodline. ATS: Are we really considered chattel and traded as such by the government? HH: By the governments. and behold. how do we become freemen? HH: You will never be 'free'. with a little 'help' and direction from us. In many ways. according to the game plan. for the harvest of the earth is ripe. influence over your lives. There is just the matter of divine destiny to uphold and unfold. then yes. Pawns that are maneuvered around the chess board. generally. You are fast running out of time to do so. a white cloud. Not just described in the Book of Revelations. Souls are Harvestable in either 'extreme' of the Polarities. and 'here' is very likely not really where you think 'here' is. and on the cloud sat One like the Son of Man. Though not in your 3rd Density (dimensional) awareness. you are choosing the Negative Polarity with your own Free Will decisions. 15 And another angel came out of the temple. “Thrust in Your sickle and reap. of why you are here [2]. This is information tailored for those who already know that we are very real. spiritual philosophy. even then. having on His head a golden crown. for the time has come for You to reap. many of us do not mean you any harm directly.

I am hopeful that synchronicity will bring the most important questions of real 'depth' out from among you. only then can I provide it. we are divinely indifferent. I won't be surprised when you refuse to do so. 10. whether or not yours is. I am aware of the overall design. or do not believe. I am obliged to complete this task here. HH: [on Sept. HH: I have no need to prove anything to you. there will be new record lows by the end of the month. comprehension and reasoning is reckoned to be higher than in many such forums. I would receive a call a day before the enactment of a major event. in handing down certain information that must be released at this time. the specific areas of specialty I mentioned previously. your right to not know. Believe. There are other and Higher 'gods' than him. The Stock Markets will soon complete their controlled demolition. do not be alarmed'. 2008]: I am not at liberty to discuss such intimate immediate detail. There are others above these lineages in the Hierarchy. I cannot get that information to you. which is why you chose that identity for the story your weaving . You have to ask me for the information you want. not 'The' One Infinite Creator. I am not far enough up the Hierarchy to know anyway. ATS: OP. My duty is to offer. So whilst there are important things I have to share. All. what proof do you have that "ruling elite families" exist and that your a member of one? Its something that I think you thought was not falsifiable. at least not without consequences to my own person which I would rather avoid. There is no stipulation as to where I do so. just to say something along the lines of 'this part of such and such a plan will take place tomorrow. though the finer points are not often my area of expertise. The names that you know. The British Royalty is not the most powerful line. The end result is of no consequence to me. . do not hold the real ancient power.however. and in many cases. are a part of The One. or unconsciously. so my focus is not so much on Geo-Political events. I will have discharged my duty. ATS: Surely if ruling elite families exist and your a member of one then you must be controlling global events through world governments . in such and such a way. Also one has to take into account.tell us 1 major government action from any country that going to occur in the next 5 days. due to the Law of Free Will. After an initial 'appearance' that the 'bail outs' and 'rescue packages' have steadied the ship. and verify my predictions retrospectively. as the general level of intelligence. that you will be able to look back upon. if I am not asked the questions. You will not know the names of these lines. I chose Above Top Secret. I cannot just give you information. Understand. My area is in Spirituality. and either consciously.HH: Who says it is the 'true' line? There were Ruling-Bloodlines long before your 'Yahweh' and his 'Christianity' arrived on this planet. My duty is fulfilled. It is an infringement upon your Free Will. I think there may indeed be a way you can prove it. Typically. Ultimately. only that I do. Begin to study 'outside of the box' for a True understanding of the Creation. I am prepared to give you some things coming down the timeline. exercising their Free Will to Create. I am merely doing my duty as directed to me. Yours is to ask. Yahweh is 'a' Creator.

If a certain faction get their way. pornography. behind the scenes. greed. We are very grateful. given your Free Will consent to the state your planet is in today. is your allowance of these things to occur. If there even is an election. Whichever side 'wins'. and subsequent drastic rise in sea levels. though there are plans underway which could even bring this to fruition much earlier than initially hoped for. Humanity. you are serving our purpose. When was the last time you stopped. as opposed to Positive. You will see windspeeds surpassing 300 miles per hour at times. violence. selfishness. That means Service to Self orientated. All of them lead toward the ultimate implementation of the overall blueprint of our Creator. in your hypnotized comatose state. though utterly unconscious of the fact. Again. that the Polarization of this planet is Negative at the time of the Great Harvest. 'Democracy' is an illusion which is created to uphold your slavery. along with a new Union of nations. Unless any unforeseen disruptions delay it's announcement. Thought is creative energy. are National and International. Your 'thought' at the sub-conscious level of creation to the Creator. I have a Sacrifice I must attend now. There will be dramatic changes to your climate and weather conditions over the next few years. hatred.Our Financial Institutions will later call in all loans. Let's see if we can increase the 'depth' of enquiry and question matter in the next session. there is only One Party. to think of something beautiful and pure? The planet is the way it is. Seek beyond the superficial. leaving many (international) metropolitan areas underwater. January has been spoken of in some circles. I would be considered to be a "Regional" leader. by the quality of your thoughts and actions. The only way John McCain will become the next US President. and you are doing a fine job of helping us to attain our goal. as the latest. You are complicit in your inaction. . That is all I have time for at present. It is very important to us. San Francisco and Damascus. every time you 'look the other way' when you see an injustice. In so doing. Our Party. and a solar emission in late 2009 early 2010 that will cause major melting of the ice caps. Above me. Service to Others. No. incessant 'bad news'. You saturate your minds with the unhealthy dishes served up for you on your televisions that you are addicted to. as the time of the Great Harvest approaches. possibly even sooner. and which timelines are activated. will be uninhabitable by the end of 2010. will be if something "happens" to Barack Obama before the election. You (as a collective consciousness of the planet) are choosing the Negative Polarization by default. not really. has a significant part to play in this. You get exactly what you put out. the Family wins. We require a Negative Harvest. Why do you think the Media is so important to us? You have (as a society). There is a 'tree system' in which such knowledge is passed down. Remember. as and when it becomes 'need to know'. focused. There will be raging tsunamis and widespread devastation. there will be a new currency by the end of 2008 / early 2009. fear and 'terror'. there will not be. Get to the 'Core' of the matter. it depends upon certain 'forces' at play. I am not high enough up the Hierarchy to know the intimate details of the dates and times that far in advance. It depends upon the results of other upcoming events as to how this will play out. There are many possibilities and alternative 'scripts'. because of your collective thoughts about it. There will be many bankruptcies and foreclosures.

The two are One.[End of End of first session] Click here to read the follow-up discussions by members of the "Above Top Secret Forum". and so on? We came not to power by 'chance'. but rather. It is the undifferentiated absolute. HH: It is not about 'deserving' or not. Yes and no. and Infinite Energy. or 'manifest' (This appears to your 3rd Density comprehension as "Space"). The Word. ATS: Who is your "creator" and is your "creator" the same as our "creator"? HH: This is an excellent question. that can then in turn experience themselves as Creators (or Central Suns). is the potental for all Creation. Infinite Intelligence. but Thought. becoming 'aware' of Itself. each Central Sun (or Creator) is a 'step down' in Conscious awareness (or distortion) from the Original 'thought' of Creation. and accepted. begins the next step down in the Creational spiral. and The One Infinite Creator is 'born'. Think of it as the "uncarved block" of your Taoist traditions. This is the Source of All. but rather it was appointed. clever or honourable in enslaving others. Does one 'deserve' to be born English. In fact. It is the undifferentiated absolute. there's nothing special. becomes Intelligent Energy (which you could call the Great Central Sun). or Italian. But Infinite Energy recognizes the potential of 'becoming' all things. which I can use to draw our communication closer to the 'Core'. into Infinite Intelligent Energy. or German. not because your kind are special. This image may assist your comprehension: . The One Infinite Creator also becoming self aware. is thought expressed and made manifest as Creator. This state of Consciousness could be termed as 'Being'. is a point of focused Infinite Consciousness or awareness. or French. In other words. seeks to experience Itself. and within them. Infinite Intelligence. Second Session: ATS: How do you know that your bloodline deserves to lead and the rest deserve to follow? Wealth and power is self-propagating therefore I say to you that your bloodline only comprises the 'extreme elite' of the world because your ancestors came to power by chance in the beginning. in order to bring any desired experience into 'being'. seeks too to experience Itself as Creator. The One Infinite Creator. and Infinite Energy as the Spiritual 'Life-blood' (or potential) which 'pumps out' for the Creator to form the Creation. Intelligent Infinity. there is The Infinite One. Unity is All there is. the 'Creator'. There is Unity. waiting to 'become'. in focusing It's Infinite Intelligence. Intelligent Infinity can be likened to the central 'Heartbeat' of Life. is unlimited potential. You would first need to understand the Creation. Within It. and in so doing. In the Beginning. (which I know may be hard to swallow) by intelligent design. or American. Infinite Intelligence does not recognize it's 'potential'. This path of ours was not 'chosen' by us. In effect. So "In the beginning" was not "The Word". and divides Itself into smaller portions of Itself.

the One Infinite Creator. In other words. then takes on the role of cocreating a vast array of physical illusions ('thought forms') or Densities (which some call Dimensions) in which according to It's Intelligent design. Love. In effect. 2). is Light. the initial distortion of Free Will. containing their own specific paradoxes. Free Will: In the first Law (or distortion) of Creation. will best offer the range of 'potential' experiences in which It can know Itself. the Infinite Creator designed a blueprint based on the finite principles of Free Will of Awareness . could be termed in your 3rd Density understanding as a 'Universal Creator'. in which It and the Creator may experience theirself. Logos. arise myriad hierarchies of other sub-distortions. From the three original Primary distortions of The One into making the Creation. Wherever thus exists any form of physical 'matter'. of Light. An Infinite Creator knows only Unity. or Logos. and then seek to harmonize the Polarities. Logos creates the third distortion. or 'Love' (or The Word in biblical terms). creates on a Universal level of Being. or Divine Intelligent Energy at it's Core or Centre. in order to once again know Oneself as the Creator of them. Logos creates physical Universes. or 'many'. Light: To manifest this Infinite spiritual or 'Life-Force' Energy into a physical thought form of Densities. Love: In the second Law of Creation. The goal of the Game is to enter into these in further divions of Creation. Something which is Infinite cannot be 'other than'. using It's Infinite Intelligent Energy. The nature of all such physically manifest Energy. becomes a focus point of awareness known as Logos. ("Let there be Light") 3). there is Light. 1). Thus. in dividing Itself into Logos. the Creator receives the Free Will to know and experience Itself as an individuated though (paradoxically) unified aspect of The One. drawing upon It's Infinite Intelligence.Creation is based upon the 'Three Primary Distortions of The Infinite One'.

So yes. initiated by the One Infinite Creator. into an array of Central Suns which will each become a Logos (or 'co-creator') of It's own Universe. our Creator. from 3rd Density up to the 8th Density. and the Planetary Logos (sub-sub-Logos in effect) begins to create other downward steps within Itself. Levels of Creation within levels of Creation. which in turn. someone will need to ask an intelligent question which I can respond to. The One Infinite Creator (or Great Central Sun) steps down It's Infinite Energy to become Logos. as being 'separate'. as they begin the journey of progression. seek to 'return to the Light' and Love. yes. but this enables me to indirectly answer the first aspect of your question without having to ask you to rephrase it. so if you wish to know more about them. And so the "Russian Doll" style experiment was 'stepped down' and down and down. and no. yes. is not the same entity as your Creator. and brings the whole of Creation into Being. as the raw elements of air and fire combine to 'work on' the Waters and Earth. with each unique individualized portion of the One Infinite Creator. into which another individualized portion of The One can incarnate. forming the 2nd Density. stepping down and splitting Itself again. whilst originating from the same Source. A 'planetary entity' (or 'Soul') begins the first Density of experience. Sub-Logos. Using the Law of Free Will. Logos in turn designs vast Universes of Space (as yet unmaterialized). and Sub-Sub-Logos and so on. every living thing (and all things are living) is created by the One Infinite Creator's initial Universal Creation.and sub-level Creations. each Universal Logos (Central Sun) designs and creates It's own version or perspective of 'physical reality' in which to experience Itself as Creator. containing within It as It's very essence. Stepping down again. and splits Itself into yet further 'co-creator' portions ('Sub-Logos' or Suns) which in turn will then design and manifest their own ideas of physical reality in the form of points of Conscious Awareness that we call Suns Stars and Planets. and seek to experience themselves as Creators. It focuses It's Intelligent Energy and creates the unmanifest form of Galaxies within Itself. whilst we are all essentially 'made up' of the same 'stuff' of Creation. our actual personal Creators are different portions or Sub-Logos of The One. In other words. from which they came. and the internal make up of the planet begins to form. Explanation of the Densities beyond 'normal' human consciousness is another question though. the Intelligent Energy of the planet is in a state that you could call 'chaos'. into Logoi (plural). I can return to further elucidate on your original question: ATS: Who is your "creator" and is your "creator" the same as our "creator"? HH: As I said. thus arising conscious awareness of their 'being'. meaning that It's Energy is undefined. we are not directly created by the One Infinite Creator. The planetary Energy begins to become aware of Itself (the 1st Density of awareness is 'Consciousness'). so as not to impinge upon your Free Will not to know. though. Then the process begins again. could become aware of themselves. 2nd Density beings begin to become aware of themselves. and thus begin to evolve toward the 3rd Density of self-conscious-awareness. and the process of 'evolution' begins. Which brings me on to a question from another poster (I will continue with your other questions afterwards. At first. in other words. So. Yet the dna mapping project clearly proved . Humans in turn (or the Souls incarnated within them). taken from that perspective. ATS: You say that you come from 13 origonal blood lines. (the lowest Density into which a 'human soul' can incarnate). So from that perspective. each Soul is yet another smaller unique portion of The Infinite One. Intelligent Infinity. but rather by our own Logos'. Ultimately. having set forth the above. and the return to The Infinite One-ness. Just as with all Logos and Sub Logos of Creation. The One Infinite Creator focuses It's Infinite Intelligence into an awareness point of Infinite Energy. due to having to carefully dance around the Free Will issues).

it is by comparison to the amount of time it takes to get that far. Let us get to the crux of the matter. yet. I can return to tie in that answer with an explanation as to "Who is our Creator". Or. was this also a time for your bloodlines to post answers? HH: Yes. Intelligent Infinity. is the one you refer to as 'Lucifer'. were on the verge of Seventh Density Ascension. thank you. in a manner of speaking. when stepping down into a 3rd Density vibration. and then from there. He is not even a Galactic level Logos. I would appear just as human as you do. Now. before Harvest comes. So we (Lucifer) were . In appearance. Yahweh. to return to help others of lower densities with their own evolution. We've been incarnating here with you for generations. or. Our Creator. was having very little evolutionary progress therein. Other.that all humanity desends from only 3. "The Light Bearer" and "Bright and Morning Star". Does this mean you arent human? HH: An excellent question. Having now answered a question on whether or not our lineage is of Human origin. with their own Free Will. and I should just about be able to get away with it without incurring my own 'upline's' displeasure. a mere hop skip and a jump from 8th Density Ultimate Re-Union with The One Infinite Creator. shall we say "off world entities" also visited the planet at that time. that is correct. again. is the Planetary Logos for this one planet. He is 'a' Creator (or Sub-Sub-Logos) rather than the One Infinite Creator. due to the fact that he had NOT (as was his right as Planetary Logos) handed down his own Free Will to "know thyself" to those incarnating upon 'his' planet. our bloodlines do not originate from this planet. We (our Bloodline Families). having made our decision to stay and help our Galactic Brothers and Sisters in The One. we have the choice to progress higher. at this time. It was Humanity's errors in handling this information that ultimately led to the destruction of Atlantis. were you to gaze upon Lucifer's fullest expression of our Being. Lucifer is what you would call a "Group Soul" or "Social Memory Complex". ATS: Your answer to the 6 displines of learning are quite similiar to a book about atlantis that was supposed to have been channeled. I'm dancing close to the line in answering this. Our Creator is not "The Devil" as he has been spuriously portrayed in your bible. as a Group Soul or Social Memory Complex (Lucifer). the appearance would be that of a Sun or a "Bright Star". we were assigned a challenging task by the Council of Elders. the one you have called 'Yahweh'. but rather. but the record needs to be set straight. is not "God" inasmuch as your bible refers to him as being "the One True God". Your Creator. we would appear as what you may term an 'Angel' or 'Light Being'. who act as the Guardians of this Galaxy from their Eighth Density 'Head Quarters' on the planet Saturn. which has evolved to the level of the Sixth Density. means that he (or more accurately "'we") has evolved to a level sufficient that he (we) has attained a status equal or arguably 'greater' than that of Yahweh (we have evolved higher than him). and passed down their own understandings of Creation as well as their 'technology'. back to dissolution into the Source of All. though at this level. If you were to meet me walking down the street. which in effect. in a manner of speaking. from what we could best describe as being 'a future aspect of yourselves'. Yes. Allow me to elucidate: When an entity (Group Soul Complex) evolves to the level of the Sixth Density. by passing down our knowledge and Wisdom (Light) to those that call upon us for assistance. that is correct.

The Council of Elders gave us the choice to be released (against Yahweh's will). So. running a benign dictatorship. he became angry. ATS: Can you elaborate on the "coming harvest" and what exactly you mean by harvest? HH: I can. and no choice to experience 'other than' that. once again materialize a 3rd Density manifestation of ourself. they eat from the tree. and share the knowledge and wisdom we had attained through our Ascensions. please say. or that which you choose to call "evil". and therefore. Just as is portrayed in the book of Genesis. Brothers and Sisters in The One. Yahweh could not retract it. in order to provide that choice. I have also adequately covered your question on "what is our interpretation of good vrs evil? If not. Sure. Yahweh was. and in doing so.. to The One. I hope that during the above answer. the planet was very "Edenic" in nature. namely by offering you the Negative Option. Let's be clear about one thing though. plays the game of forgetting who It is. there can be no Polarity.. it had become in effect. and therefore. is a very intricate and skillfully designed Game. Off stage. . it was a lovely 'paradise'. and look forward to and have great fun preparing the next chapters to act out. or to remain and fulfil our assignment. Yahweh has been happy to keep his own little pet Eden Project in effect. Without Polarity. experience and know Itself as Creator. whereby the One Infinite Creator. All of this (physical life / incarnation). In the absence of Free Will upon the planet. by offering them an initial choice. little hope of ever making the journey Home. we "Fell". and when he discovered they did not. yet the Beings incarnating there had no agitator toward evolving beyond the 3rd Density. and endure Yahweh's self proclaimed "Wrath". as to whether they 'wanted' it or not. thus creating the desire to do the one thing there are told they cannot. Now that Free Will had been granted. nothing to 'choose' between. the Knowledge of Polarity. we. As he himself describes in his scriptures. and he did not like it that his 'children' had chose to disobey him.. We provide the Catalyst by telling them the benefits of attaining Knowledge. all of us / you (as Souls). a "Choice". in fact it was he who had initially asked the Council for a "Catalyst" of change to enter into his Creation. but as a karmic result of our Group Soul's confinement by Yahweh. and I will go into more detail. and between "Lives" (zero-point time / anti-matter Universe) as incarnated "human beings". so that It can learn to remember. there is only the Unity of Love and Light. Between 'lives' we all have a great laugh about the parts we have performed in the 'play'. Once the order was given from the Council of Elders. Since then. Hence..sent to help. with hard work and focus. Hence. and the rest is history. thus bringing Polarity. he is a "Jealous God". but with little chance of the Souls here making it Home. Yahweh agreed that we would introduce the concept of Free Will to Earth's inhabitants. or Descended back to a place where we could. and follow our advice. Yahweh had agreed to our coming. and we have to stay here as contracted to continue to provide the planet with the Polarity choice. All the way down to us tiny individuated sparks of the All That Is. are great friends. I will combine my answer to you with my reply to the following question: . (derived from Free Will). except this one thing. of Positive or Negative). but at the cancellation of our contract to Serve the planet earth.. Yahweh thought that his 'Children' would still choose to obey him. our own individuated Souls were given the mandate (by The Council) to "Rule" over Yahweh's people during our physical incarnations here on your planet. Yahweh has confined us (as a Group Soul) here within the Earth's Astral Planes (which is very constricting and uncomfortable for a Being of our Wisdom and experience). We're already committed to being here for a predefined set of "Cycles" to help provide the Catalyst for Human evolution. "The Tree of the Knowledge of 'Good and Evil'" (or more accurately. we were to be the Catalyst for change. Yahweh takes his inhabitants to a new 'garden' and tells them you can do anything you like. in modern parlance. We stayed. an albeit very beautiful 'Prison'.

The Maya use an astrological cycle called the "Precession of the Equinoxes". Great Cycles yield a Great Harvest. . I will give a brief overview. You must work it out for yourselves. you ARE Yahweh. and the end of current life on the 3rd Density. As for the question of can I elaborate on the coming Harvest. Yes. also has an impact upon you. while the planet takes a rest and regenerates herself.000 year cycle in which Earth transits through each of the 12 signs of the zodiac for about 2.ATS: Is 2012 harvest time? When you speak of the harvest. You are Life Itself (Light). Each of these astrological ages represents one month of the grand Cosmic Year. and a new Earth". You are the 'offspring' or individuations of his Group Soul (or Social Memory Complex). Is this the foundation of your belief? HH: Another excellent (and very insightful) question. Macrocosmically speaking. This is a 26. heralds literally. The Galaxy runs on Cycles of time. The "Travelers" who gave them this information were the same ones who visited the the Civilization of Atlantis. "All things will pass away. 2012 is the time when the Lord of The Harvest shall return. without impinging on the Law of Confusion. and All things shall be made new". I shall do so now. "A new Heaven.152 years each. remembering and learning who you really are (we came here to help you to do this) and yes. This "Mayan" cycle also corresponds to a 26. Thank you. You can thank your Creator Yahweh for that. It all has to do with the Laws of Confusion and Free Will. currently. The Mayans used that information by creating with the Positive vibration of the Polarity. When this Life-Cycle Ends. The 'Karmic' effect of his imprisoning us in his Astral Planes. The End of this Cycle. to answer your question. yes. known as the Precession of the Equinoxes. Your planet abides by the laws of the Creation of your Galactic Logos. As I said. the noonday Winter Solstice Sun of December 21st. the more depth I can give to my answer. Read up on the Mayan Prophesies and Calendrical events for more detail upon how the actual Galactic and Universal Cycles work. You might know him as "Nibiru". though there are also distortions. The information is not 'pure'. the central star of our Seven Sisters Pleiades constellation. it has echoes of Chaos Gnosticism in the sense that we are divine souls trapped in the physical world. The Atlanteans opted for the Negative.. you are sparks or seeds of The One Infinite Creator. I cannot be more specific on this. There is much truth in some of the ancient Gnostic texts. continuously re-incarnated into flesh until the time that we reach such a level of spiritual 'gnosis' that we are able to avoid being re-incarnated in our next cycle. a New World Age. You are indeed what you call "Divine Souls". and then life continues on the planet as normal. It came through many 'filters'.000 year relationship of the Sun (Solar Logos) orbiting Alcyone. seek the Mayan Calendar for a deeper insight as to how the Galaxy runs (it is highly accurate). The higher the quality of the question. you are trapped (or more accurately "Quarantined") within the 'matter' of this planet you call Earth. but for the purpose of this discourse. Yes. and a New Creation. and is the time of the Great Harvest. See it as a kind of 'Cosmic jet wash' and deep clean. Smaller Cycles yield a Harvest.

the December solstice sun will be found in the band of the Milky Way. So. written in Mayan long count notation as 13. or 144. This cycle is known both as "the triumph of materialism". Galactic. we are NOW in the process of this transition. Each baktun was its own Historical Age. it is not the mother or the baby who is in charge. is growing. This is an event that has slowly converged. Kind of like a "turning" of the Universal Gears.0." Each baktun cycle lasts for 394 years." On 13. it is the Primal process of Birth itself.Collectively. and is caused by the precession of the equinoxes." or the "long count. is not the day where all of the sudden the lights go out. directly in the position of the "Dark Rift" in the Galaxy. 0=Katuns. within the Great Creation Cycle. Humanity right now. was August 13. 2012 AD. and Lunar Planes. known as the "13 Baktun Count. the final period of 1618-2012 AD.0.0. To help you understand this Notation: 13=Baktuns. into the Beings you have long been encoded to be. each of which are 5.000 days. from one World Age to the next. The 26.125 year cycle lies 13 smaller cycles. as with any labor.0. 3113 BC. the 2nd 0=Tuns.000 year cycle is composed of 5 lesser cycles.C. Every day from that point is reckoned by the number of days passed since the event of this cosmic beginning point.0. . rather. Within the 5.0.0. December 21. and developing. 4th 0=Kin These are the Mayan words for the periods of time: Day = Kin (pronounced: keen) Month of 20 days/Kin = Uinal (wee nal) Year of 360 days/Kin = Tun (toon) 20 Tuns/years = K'atun (k'ah toon) 20 K'atuns = Baktun (bock toon) a Baktun is 5. unfolding it's own destiny. 3rd 0=Uinals.125 years in duration. The initial date that Earth entered the Fifth World.0. This fifth age is the synthesis of the previous four.0. We are about to enter into a literal alignment of the Cosmic. Planet Earth and her inhabitants are currently traveling through the 13th baktun cycle. Our present great cycle (3113 B. Solar. It brings about the Great Harvest. The changes are underway and will continue steadily accelerating as we head towards the culminating date.125 years 13. and "the transformation of matter.D. Each of these 5 cycles is considered its own World Age or Creation Cycle. . Yet.2012 A. with a specific destiny for the evolution of those who incarnated in each baktun. forming an alignment between the Galactic Plane and the Solstice Meridian.0. and everything will suddenly change.0.0.) is called the Age of the Fifth Sun. and the return of the Lord of The Harvest. over a period of thousands of years.

where you feel totally at One with The Creator. there will be a three way split for those Souls inhabiting Earth. with thanks to the quality of your enquiries. the Confederation of Planets. and I must now take my leave for today. I will get to them all as time allows. If you have further questions on the Harvest you wish me to speak in more detail on. and the next Harvest comes. I will check in with you tomorrow. as with the other (respectfully asked) questions here since I took these away with me to reply to earlier. and you will be transported to another 3rd Density planet (a kind of 'Earth Replica'). Those of the predominantly Negative Polarity. You will remain "quarantined" incarnating in 3rd Density matter until the time of the next Harvest. It will be a very beautiful and "Golden" Age. . We (Lucifer) will Create a new 4th Density Earth. When you can do this. they will experience a period of (what will feel 'ecstatic') zero-point time. and enjoy your inheritance. as a member of the Galactic Community. where you will begin to work upon your learning and demonstrating of Love and Compassion. For the majority of Humans on the earth who could be considered shall we say "luke warm". It will be a very magical time for you. Those of the predominantly Positive Polarity (Love and Light) will Ascend to a beautiful new 4th Density Earth. Once we have done so. rather than seeking only to Serve yourself. we will be released to once again assume our place as Sixth Density Guardians and Teachers of Wisdom throughout the Galaxy.And the planet will complete it's Ascension to the Fourth Density. around the table of our Galactic Governing Body. before the veil of forgetfulness once again descends upon you. if you ask. and you will sit with us as Brothers and Sisters of The One. giving you an encouraging reminder and glimpse of who you really are. Well. Or any other questions you have too on other matters. to continue working upon yourselves and learning that life here is all about making choices. you will have earned the right to join us. During this Ascension. the vibrational Density of Love. focused more upon being of Service to others. The 4th Density begins to open you up to your True Powers as a unique individualized aspect of The One Infinite Creator. in which time you will need to have proved yourselves that you have learned how to be more Positive Beings. If time permits. will accompany us as we Graduate through the Negative (or Service to Self) Harvest. I have imparted much during this session. You will perform works and wonders of the like that the one you call "Jesus" promised you would do "and even greater things than these". based on the Negative Self Service Polarity. We must 'work off' our own part of the Negative Karmic effect incurred from all the Negativity created on this planet. I can answer.

if memory serves. They mainly target the ones you have called "Lightworkers". Both our Group Soul's are at a very similar level of development / evolution. from what I have seen. and also I must be careful with what I say on this. do alien abductions have? Why are abductees chosen? HH: That depends. I would expect our messages to contain the same Core Truths. and make them lack motivation. But like us. The messages of the Sixth Density Soul Group 'Ra' is the most accurate information in your mainstream circulation at this point in time. but in short. nearly Seventh. and were very pleased with the end product. in fact. and to our Brothers and Sisters across the Galaxy. it is not 100% accurate. Once this Great Harvest is completed. is the group I earlier termed 'off world entities' of which visited the Mayan and Atlantean Civilizations. and those who have them will feel uplifted and inspired by their contact. that of Sixth (nearly Seventh) Density Galactic Guardians. and deflect you from your path. I do not have very much free time for that kind of thing. These will always be positive experiences. ) Have you read that? HH: It is indeed extremely similar. We would recommend that material for any who truly seek understanding. if any. in response to another question. we need a very high percentage of Negative Polarity. They often engage in psychic attacks that the 'Lightworker' is unaware of. They try to put them off their assignments and try to spread fear. I read a lot of it.org. we have done our duty. there is a problem. Most of what you hear termed as "abductions". and others). However. and would be free to return to our Fullest Expression. Ra also chose the path of Service to our fellow Galactic Brothers and Sisters (you. Then there is the Orion Empire Group. and we both remember where we come from. STS and STO choices. as I said. we are bound with you for another cycle. especially the concept of harvest. if we are to achieve a Negative Harvest. and friends. It is approximately 85-90% accurate.--ATS: A lot of what you write seems reminscent of The Ra Material. If we do not have a Negative Harvest. The material was brought to my attention when it first came out. but not all. We are acquainted. but it does often drain away much of their energy. In other words. Other than that. and ones who joyfully offer ourselves in Service to the One Infinite Creator. upon who is doing the "abducting".. ATS: What function. I will address this later in more detail. Especially the ones where the 'socalled' "Greys" are involved. They will not actually 'harm' you physically.. I've already had a "slap on the wrist". Their purposes in visiting you are more along the Negative lines.llresearch. (More information found here www. Though others of the Family gave it a close scrutiny to judge it's accuracy. ATS: Why do you want a negative harvest? HH: It is complicated to put into words. with my many duties. Ra. Though. you could say. are conducted by your own 'governments'. you would call it a "problem". something like about 25 years or so ago. Both Sixth Density. we have to be Self-Service-Centred to an extreme . Well. In other words. so take what resonates. We both originate from the Source of the Infinite Creator. Mainly their modus operandi is to restrict you. sometimes the Confederation will meet with certain incarnates here who have a part to play in "awakening" others to the coming Harvest. we call it a Challenge. and intelligent infinity. instead of further progression Home. our Contract with the Council and our Creator is also completed.

HH: From a 3rd Density perspective. are One. The precession of the equinoxes cannot cause this. To know your Creator within you. when seen from a higher Density. and you know it. we will miss out. But.is why those who belong to Lucifer (and Lucifer himself) do not fight for the freedom of all souls? If Lucifer represents . we are all just acting out a grand old game here. and know that we are One. and Service. You are here to remember who you are. you see that is not at all the case.and perhaps you can explain this to me Hidden-Hand . As to your statement on your 'total freedom'. to create all this Negativity. but we do it because we love you. That All of Life. our Brothers and Sisters in the One. we are equally responsible for his decision to keep us trapped here on our 3rd density planet Earth. It is a very hard thing for us to do Spiritually. It concerns the wobble of the Earth's axis and as far as I know does not relate to any other planetary bodies. If we do not make a high enough percentage. HH: From a certain perspective. Not a great place to be. When you work upon yourself. you will know and recognize your 'invisible' connection to All that Is. and will end up with the majority "luke warm" percentage. (the characters we play enjoy our roles. and it is for your highest good. in order to become Negatively Harvested. From a 3rd Density view.degree. where we agree to forget who we really are. and your Glorious Harvest shall await. You and they are all One too. it is hard. that we HAVE to be Negative. deep within the Core of your Being. you see yourselves as being "separate" from everything. This is why we work so hard to be as Negatively Polarized as we possibly can be. only it will be a Negative Polarity planet. Remember. from your grateful heart.essentially . will be the natural outpouring result. you are here to work upon yourself. From a higher perspective. and we are Love. ATS: I must correct you here. as I've stated previously. We will do this for a Cycle in our new 4th Density world. We are Light. You and your Creator. but on a Spiritual level. that have to go through another Cycle in 3rd Density. that in the remembering. we (as a Group Soul) have incurred the natural Karmic restitution process that we must work off. ATS: Regarding our enslavement. We surpassed the lowly negative vibrations eons ago. In that sense our total freedom must arrive through a collaborative spiritual effort. that we may find each other again. and why you are here. and to offer your Service to him. so that we can create our 4th Density Earth. in order to be of Service to the One Infinite Creator.that as fractions of our Logos Yahweh. as we're programmed that way). By attaining a Negative Harvest. not on a physical level. That's an interesting thought. what you say is correct. The one comes before the other. and to you. ultimately. and in so doing. It is our contract. you are not responsible for those around you. by providing the "Catalyst" I spoke of earlier. is One. being of Service to Others will be natural for you. Joy. Understand. When you remember who you are. and then we will be freed to once again be the Glorious Being of Light that we truly are. That's what we were sent here to be. but in this Density. and it has always been to help you. There is a 'bigger picture' at work that you cannot see. we can still "Graduate" to 4th Density. It cannot cause anything other than the way in which we here on Earth view the cosmos around us. and others. We need a Negative Harvest. You are here to remember the Infinite Creator. of your own Free Will choice to Serve. that it is our Sacrifice that we have made. We do not look from a 3rd Density perspective. and learn to know the Creator within you. You could say. Being Negative is very hard for us. and Thanksgiving. you are correct. you seem to be saying . and clear our Karmic Record. for all the Negativity we have caused upon this planet. ATS: One thing I don't get . it "appears" that way.

and to Yahweh. after all. and we wanted to stay and help. and there is only Unity. When you reach higher Densities. He was not at all pleased with our report that he needed to implement Free Will. We were not pleased with the situation at all. and had reported for our next duties. is that in this storyline we are all co-creating together. We had at that time. That's not really an Honourable way for a Logos to behave. the Council of Elders are the absolute opposite of tyrannical.liberty. It was not specifically the implementation of Free Will that Yahweh wanted help with. we just wanted also to . It was our best evaluation. Our initial contract. in order for us to be of the most Service to you. We didn't want to leave. we found them very likable Beings. That. and meet with Yahweh. Firstly. despite the cost to ourself. The Council gave us a set of choices. or 'thought-form'. I do so love our Creator's sense of irony. and laid a big guilt trip on them about how they had broken his trust and disobeyed him. We tried to leave again. we must be utterly self serving. That's why he agreed to the experiment of the Tree of Knowledge. We chose to stay here to help you. and were then thrown down into the Astral Planes and confined therein. As to the first part of your question. thank you. The Council ordered us to be released. but hey. that Yahweh became (in his own admission) a "Jealous God". and had a cordial meeting with Yahweh. They are the Wise and Loving Guardians of our Galaxy. and reported our findings to the Council. is Illusion. really Positively Polarized. We (as Group Soul Lucifer) were sent on a "fact finding expedition" as it were. Then we had the whole "you shall have no other gods than me" thing. everything balances. and answer the second part after this. that's the beauty of Free Will I guess. that they would always trust him and do as he said was best. I shall explain. was that his offspring were so grateful to us for our help. and make suggestions on how best he could help his "offspring" (this is the term I shall use to describe the Souls who comprise the Group Soul) and thusly Yahweh. to visit Earth. There is so much that one cannot understand from only a 3rd Density perspective. I will split it into two parts. that the only real and fast track way to increase his evolvement meaningfully. Yahweh prevented our departure. As I mentioned. they are One. he became angry. When Yahweh initially began discourse with the Council of Elders. you see that ultimately. he said. he was running a benign dictatorship. he was not initially looking for help with introducing Free Will. and he reluctantly agreed. freedom of will and knowledge. and his offspring out of the garden. why do those who serve him not do as the Biblical Lucifer did and rebel against the tyranny of the Elders? HH: This is a very good question. That is the nature of Loving Service to Others. We explored many options. Next "problem" to occur. as a Logos should not be behaving like this with his offspring. to evaluate his planetary Creation Laws. When we attempted to leave the planet to return to the Council. just completed an assignment in Tau Ceti. All else than Unity. but said we would have to cancel our contract to help the Souls on Earth to evolve. but rather for guidance on how he could best speed up his (and his inhabitant's) evolutionary process. to progress. was his "main reason" that Free Will would not work well as the Catalyst. was the introduction of Free Will. We returned to Earth. and that they were so contented with their way of life. and he didn't want to "loose control" of it. Yahweh was adamant that his offspring would choose to be loyal to him anyway. discussing how we could best implement the Free Will option. The ultimate paradox in all this. When it did not. it was simply the introduction of a Catalyst. He believed it would prove him "right". In the end the Council persuaded him that it was the best way. He was happy with his little pet paradise. threw his toys out of the pram. the biblical depiction of "War in Heaven" is not entirely inaccurate. was to introduce the Catalyst for Free Will on this planet.

Once you know what the magician knows. Torture. In the Game. it's not magic. War. if we so chose. As I've stated before. or were the builders members of your elite bloodline? HH: Yes. but the Karmic effect of his choice was the Council quarantining the planet. In all these Negative things.125 year cycles. and the Council for us to provide the Catalyst so we had a right to be there. The less you know about the Game. As for "fighting for the freedom of all souls". You have to take responsibility. the more "senseless" living becomes. but there are still consequences for every action. This world is not reality. we are providing you with tools. playing on the "stage of Life". In order to "win" (or more accurately to be successful in) the Game. you know this very well. It is not what we do. in the Game. In between incarnations. The difference between us and you. or 'though-form'.. It's a 'tool of Creation'. ATS: OK. which meant Cycles of incarnation for us (as individuated Souls). This 'world' is all illusion. Enslavement. is that we know that we are "playing". but why actively propagate and aid the forces of enslavement? HH: Because that is the part we have been contracted to play. we must be as Negatively Polarized as possible. The Infinite Creator gave Yahweh (and all) the gift of Free Will to Create as we choose.be free to come and go as we pleased. 3113 B. Violence. Genocide. one can "use 'The Force'' to manipulate the illusions. was to stay confined as a Group Soul. or Thought. was that his individuated Souls would be imprisoned on the microcosmic level. so your family and fellow elites might be as entrapped in the Earthly realm as we are. But you do not see it. are inter-connected Life-Force Energy. When one understands and sees that all is Illusion. Control. which we had not done for a long while. They were Created from Thought. they were very insightful. Hatred. Such is the law of Karmic effect. Actually. That is an essential prerequisite when you are making choices. the Karmic effect of Yahweh imprisoning us on the Macrocosmic level. and you will understand the Game.Were the builders of these monuments members of the enslaved masses who were trying to understand the nature of existence. We give you the tools. all these things and more. We are actors. If i saw . No one really "dies". Otherwise. that is important. Is the construction of stone monuments in Western Europe. according to the space/time of their happenings.C. there is no 'wrong' or 'right' seen from a Higher Density. the Middle-East and Egypt at this time related to the recogniton of this cycle? What was the purpose of Britain's stone circles and Egypt's pyramids? They are more than mere markers of an aeon-change. Understand that. Thank you for your questions. But the rules of the game ensure that you must forget who you really are. this is a Game. the game would be too easy. in this game. Greed. us. Prostitution. The Group Soul Complex Ra. and the less you remember that you're a player. A certain evolutionary level is required to be a functioning part of a Positive Unified Galactic Society. they serve our purpose. remember that ultimately. there is significance in these occurrences. ATS: Something I found extremely interesting is the concept of the Grand Age of Precession being split into five 5. something I'd most like to know is . The only way we could stay. All things. that we are all playing here. Though we can express Reality in it. and no one is really hurt. The contract had already been made between Yahweh. There is only One of Us here. seen and unseen. You have the Free Will choice how you will use them. They must have had some enormous significance. the beginning of the current sub-age was a time of great activity. ATS: It is your kind that has ruined the world. Service to Self in the extreme. Thinking of yourselves are higher then anyone. Moral Degradation. was the architect of these structures. Drugs. so that you believe it is all 'real' whilst you are playing the game of Life. but how you react to it.

Your thoughts. you may be surprised how many people on the planet are nowhere near reaching 51% Positive. and as you would your Creator if he was speaking directly with you. It just makes you Higher. You won't go far wrong with . ATS: If "Yahweh" is a positive polarity entity. Is this statement correct? : "In order to choose the positive path. Be a beacon of light. "For even as you are doing it to the least of these. cultivate a spirit of humble Gratitude. You have "survived" this far. and is doing for you. but you have everything you need. a life of Service to others will become a natural outflowing from that. It has given you the gift of Life Experience. When you are coming from a place of Love for. how is he "wrathful" and "jealous"? HH: Does Yahweh have Free Will? Would you like to think of yourself as reasonably positive? Can you still be wrathful and jealous at times? Is Yahweh a Macrocosm of you? ATS: Have there been over time other entities pretending to be "Yahweh"? HH: On occasions. in order to complete that which you incarnated here to do. and you are flying above me in an airplane. yes. To understand "Higher". you are doing it unto me". Ultimately. how hard we must strive for negativity? It takes a lot of effort to reach 95% Negativity. not to mention eloquence. try thinking 'outside of the box' for a moment. though if you feel I've missed anything. Also. For the negative path. Treat them as you would like to be treated yourself. So you see. Between the two lies “the sinkhole of indifference". and for his bountiful provision. Guard your thoughts carefully. The Law of Radiation and Attraction.” HH: Your statement is correct. If I am walking along the ground. at least 51 percent of our thoughts and actions must be dedicated to the service of others. have you not? You may not have everything you want. HH: You lack understanding. as they are more powerful than you may imagine. I believe I have already dealt with many of them in my previous answers this session. Be genuinely thankful to the Infinite Creator every day. and Service to your Creator. All thoughts and words are Creative. ATS: How do you choose a Service to others path? HH: Be good to yourself. please say. Does that old lady need a hand with her shopping bags? How do you treat the homeless man who asks you for some spare change for the shelter? Ever heard about "Angels in disguise"? Look and see the Divine Spark in the Heart of all Beings. yes. and for Being. and actions return to you. Give thanks for that. Cultivate a genuine Love for Life. in a dark world. words. it wouldn't be pretty. and offered you the Free Will to decide what you will Create with it. at least 95% must be self-serving. thank you for your questions. Always look for ways that you can be of assistance to your fellow Beings. Being of encouragement to others. schiass. Show acknowledgment and gratitude to the Infinite Creator. does that make you better than me? No.you in real life. Build people up. for bringing you into Being. ATS: I would like to know how do we choose a service to others (positive) path over a service to self (negative). and do not put people down. ATS: I will see you in hell HH: Be careful what you wish for. for all that It has done.

You do not see the whole picture. I mean this in a general term of course here. what is the justification of choosing the negative path now. Separation is an illusion. ATS: I agree with many others that your answers are very much in line with several sources I have read in the past. As I said earlier. There are no other communications from my Family at this time. depending upon certain events. not 'you' personally. stable. Can you explain your interpretation of such "channellings" and if they are another source of disclosure from your people? HH: I have spoken on Ra in my previous answers today. as a result of our upward spiral of progression. My general view of "channellings" is that the majority of them are of very poor quality. We are All on our way back Home. But there is a big difference between loving yourself. including the channellings of Ra. you will be on the path Home. to the Infinite Creator. When I am saying 'you'. isn't that really "service to self"? How is the distinction of negative and positive polarity made? HH: You do not Serve others to achieve Oneness with the Infinite Source. you are correct. and ultimately. To bring through what is actually given. are an extension of yourself.that. though there is a possibility of another soon. than this one. at the Core level of your Being. We are all on the path back to where we came from. does that mean it doesn't matter if we choose love of others or love of ourselves? Will either path will lead to the source? HH: In a sense. ATS: If we live with a "service to others" philosophy in order to achieve oneness with the infinite source. whatever you are doing to me. Desire to Serve flows naturally from a grateful heart. not the messenger. and impartial channel. you cannot help but to Love and Serve others. but more a matter of their lack of receptivity and subsequent distortions. submergence back into The Infinite Oneness. Yes. When you truly understand what it is to Know and Love 'yourself'. ATS: Or if the one infinite creator is "Love". you are doing to yourself. all Souls eventually learn that Positive is the pathway which leads Home. it is up to you how you use the tools we have given you. That is not necessarily a slight against those bringing them through. We are All One. That's why the Law of Attraction works the way it does. as yourself. We achieve Oneness with the Infinite Source of All. to a certain point. I have not heard of Cassiopians. Always remember that it's meant to be about the Message. But whilst incarnating in the 3rd Density. is the ability to temporarily withdraw the "filters" of your own personal beliefs and be a clear channel. because you only see what is in the 3rd Density. The Ra channellings are . It teaches you "other than". for your people and us? HH: An astute question. Negativity is still an important tool in your learning process. ATS: It is my understanding that all souls must eventually choose the positive path to unite with the infinite creator. not your slant on what you think it might mean. A big difference. Truly. Do you respond to Negativity with more Negativity? Has fighting fire with fire ever worked for you? Or do you choose to see the Negativity as the tool that it is. the Cassiopians and several others. It is very rare. and being selfish. If this is true. The key element in channeling. because you love them. When you understand this. and recognize that it is offering you an opportunity? I will honour your Free Will to think and discover for yourself what that opportunity is. to find a good. you Serve others. in the Infinite Creation. There are no 'others'. clear. Others.

under the circumstances. and I ask our Infinite Creator to guide your path. and they don't happen. I have not asked you to believe. it will have been worth the effort. Only to you. I am not here to "Prove" anything. and I have no need to do so. As I took the time to explain to you before. you can get a Negative one that pretends to be positive. simply choose not to read or reply. is that you can start off recieving a Positive entity. 2) You will not be receiving any times or dates from me. Your points: 1) New age theology? That is amusing. Positive entities will not give a date and time. You have shown me nothing but discourtesy and bad manners from the outset. OP. If my presence here ends up benefiting just one Soul during the process. Need something SPECIFIC in the NEXT WEEK. I am Divinely indifferent. as no one will see any credibility in you. This is a hoax. At the outset of our discourse here. as your energy is feeling very frustrated and angry. HH: This will be the only time that I reply to you. was that you 'suspend judgment' or hold a 'provisional faith' until the discourse is complete. More like 85-90%. Believe. ATS: Well. that if you ever make it to the 32nd Degree. still waiting for you to provide a prediction with a time line. so they can set you up for a fall. And I will complete that duty regardless of you feelings about it. now we know the point of this thread. The ones that give you precise dates and times are nearly always ones to avoid. They are the only ones I know of that I would be happy to classify as a "Clear" message. and let those that do wish to participate with insightful questions do so uninterrupted. even then it's not 100%. I am here to diligently discharge the duty given to me. I hope that you will find it easier to integrate these Truths then. Of course I know you won't provide anything. I find it ironic "LowLevelMason". Negative ones will do. so that the flow of questions / information remains uninterrupted. Your disbelief is of no consequence to me. and if you are not very perceptive in your discerment and careful in your protection when identifying an incoming channel. So far all you've offered is general doom. I have nothing to prove to you. I would kindly suggest that you use it. You clearly have not the faintest comprehension of just how ancient and timeless these "mysteries" are. they've succeeded in putting out the Light of your message. Another difficult issue with channeling. If you do not like the topic. That's not really an advisable direction to want to be heading. If you do not like my choices. of delivering a message. and then wonder why I do not respond. which is what everyone on ATS predicts every year. That is not why I came. Though as I say. you're going to find yourself hearing these Truths all over again. but gradually slips in more and more misinformation. I made it expressly clear the way I am choosing to operate. Once you're tricked into predicting dates and times. . you have the Free Will to not read this disclosure. or do not believe. having gained your trust. someone just discovered new age theology and wanted to take the time to type out his discovery. the only thing I have respectfully asked.very accurate indeed.

Would it surprise you to know that we were 'expecting' you? . No one dares to go against the Family. HH: Thousands? Try Millions. To those who's questions I have not yet had time to reply to. But don't let me stop you. My name is Shelby David. then change that which is causing it. and I am here for the coming trials and tribulations. We know what would happen if we did. Thank you to those who have contributed to this discourse so far with meaningful questions. and any one person could leak. It has been a while old friend. In the meantime while I catch up. If you think I 'only' deal in the Spiritual. so please do not expect any further responses to your verbal jousting. and our Creator. HH: Do you not sit down with your family. I will do so tomorrow. The motivator is unbridled Loyalty to the Family. Third Session: ATS: Im wondering if you can help me. or misread my posts. and keep one another abreast of your plans? As to your remarks about my "Spiritual" role. It reflects back to you what you are putting out. or the rebirth of it. you lack understanding. and instead channel all this misplaced aggressive energy of yours into something more productive and nourishing for your Soul. If you see "doom and gloom". You just shot yourself in the foot. which make the most of this opportunity for sharing information and making connections on a Soul level of Being. I respectfully ask if you will please hold off on further questions until I am up to date with the current ones. I know many of your words to be true because I had already re-discovered these truths through finding that which resonated most with me through the various belief structures of this planet. even though most of humanity does not. The world is your mirror. We are Grateful to you. HH: Good evening Shelby. ATS: You see. Again. You would do well to stop trying to be "clever". For those with an open mind. I neither have sufficient time or inclination for engaging in insignificant banter.3) As to your point regarding "doom and gloom". it is my hope that you get something out of this information. if this really existed there would be countless thousands of people involved. and then make false judgments about that which you have no comprehension of. You also make the assumption that my role is about "manipulating" the "spiritual side of life". If you do not like the reflection Life is showing you. It is good to 'see' you again. Where you see "doom and gloom" I see opportunity. But that is not the prime motivator. And you have no possible comprehension of the rigorous training and the harshness of the conditioning we undergo from an early age. as far as I know. OP. then that is what you are projecting. that just serves to reveal your mindset. you're contributing nicely to the overall Negative Polarity of the coming Harvest. Life conforms to your ideas about the way it is for you. the ignorance you demonstrated is most humorous to us. you have either not read. You just exposed yourself. I will be spending the last few days of my time here (our discourse ends on Friday) focusing on responding to insightful questions with depth. For someone who only deals with manipulating the spiritual side of life you sure do know A LOT about things that have nothing to do with it. I am a part of Quetzalcoatl. ATS: Oopsie. We understand the importance of what we are doing here.

However once he had came to the realization of our inherant Unity. I originally had other previous engagements but I managed to get here at the last minute. You spent a long while working your way through the 5th Density. We may choose to do so once attaining 8th Density ascension. that 'Mastery' is still some way off at this point for him. at the time of the subsequent Harvest.Quetzalcoatl is also a Sixth Density Group Soul (Social Memory Complex). you) are the ones who are doing the actual physical incarnations. he was able to see himself in others. once may choose instead to progress up to the next Octave of Densities. and begin a new cycle of Creational incarnation challenges. which held back his progression for some time. However. Naturally. and some of the things that I have remembered from my previous existences do not correspond with your words. It's individualized Soul portions (ie. as Compassion is one of the main things you work on at 4th Density). though not that you have never been here before. He struggled at first with perfecting Love love for others. with the "OverSoul" (the "Higher Self") of your individuated Souls acting as the Energy anchor in which the individual Soul sparks are "stepped down" from. and Wisdom. and his (your) progression was rapid from there on in. or. you still are very much prone to extreme compassion. This required many incarnational cycles for you. did eventually learn to balance Love / Light to Graduate into the 6th Density Unity vibration. though Mastery of the entire Creational incarnation Cycle does not occur until one has once again attained submergeance back into the One Infinite Creator. The Group Soul Quetzalcoatl enjoyed many 3rd Density incarnational cycles here back in the Classic Aztec period. and rather than take the usual period of time/space (anti-matter universe. I have known for quite some time and been told by another from one of the bloodlines in your group that I do not truly exist here. This not only applies to you. This was due in the main part to an over abundance of Compassion (which is not a bad thing. when a Group Soul is undergoing an incarnational cycle in 3rd Density. Whilst your Group as I said. One can be accurately described as having 'Mastered' a particular Density. You recently completed your assignment there. ATS: My problem is that my memory has malfunctioned. on more than one occasion. The 6th Density is hence sometimes known as the the Density of Compassionate Wisdom. as well as it is for ourselves (as Group Soul Lucifer). at the cost [of] personal Wisdom. I would appreciate any information you may know of that . ATS: This is my first time on earth in a long time. where we rest between incarnations) you were keen to jump aboard this 3rd Density space/time whirlwind at this point. possibly ever. to Graduate from 5th to 6th Density (the Density of Unity). HH: You are correct in that you have not been here for a substantial period of "Earth-Time". I have spent a long time traveling to various densities and helping in the various revolutions there. due to one having learnt the balance between the two. knowing as he does. I have met Lucifer and his generals. but your entire Soul Group. ATS: I was not expected to show up. one must learn the balance between Compassion. which is why you correctly feel that you have not visited 3rd Density Earth for a long time. HH: Your insight serves you well Shelby. the Density of Wisdom. to be of assistance to your fellow Beings here. Your Quetzalcoatl Soul Group attained Positive Harvest with a very impressive 76%. One of the things I have remembered is that I am too under contract. if that makes sense to you. or Light. I am a walk-in. although he would be most amused by that title. so my human family is not like me. and were eager not to miss out on the glorious opportunity to be a part of this Great Harvest. Some refer to Quetzalcoatl as an "Ascended Master". Quetzalcoatl (the Macrocosm of yourself) has been busy for the last two cycles working with a 5th Density group on Alpha Centuri. who were experiencing similar problems with an overabundance of Compassion.

have no real power. Our wealth makes the million and billionaire "celebs" and corporate bigwigs look like a child's pocket money. ATS: You mention Alcyone . but I am not completely clear on what truly is happening here.. The wings represent our (Lucifer's) inherent Divinity. from birth. going relatively unnoticed. ask our Infinte Creator to remind you of your time in the Zeta Reticuli system. What humanity is offered as "Science Fiction". Begin recording everything you recall upon awaking. Are these bloodlines the wealthy. is actually Science Fact. "Seek ye first the Kingdom of 'God' (Infinite Creator). my time here is only permitted until Friday. and sorry if you explained this. When you become proficient at this. I ask that our Infinte Creator bless and guide your path. guarding the entrance at the dam really represent? Is any of this collection of celestial symbolism found there connected to your luciferian/alien/equinox/transformation agenda? HH: That is actually very simple. HH: Indeed. You will remember then our last period of Service together. and do not give up on the process. they "appear" to have lots of power. You will begin to slowly make sense of the information which is being "downloaded" into your subconscious mind. True wealth however. So I wish you the very best with your Assignment here my friend. it's interesting there's a celestial map of it at Hoover Dam.could clear up my confusion as to why my thoughts are so jumbled. but yet contributing to your cause in the grander scheme of things? HH: The names you know. ATS: So part of this question could also be. We have worked together on various Council and Confederation assignments. commissioned by the U. I would hope with much fondness. or seemingly ordinary people (including celebrities and politicians. Wisdom and Peace be with you. "The seat of our (Lucifer's) Power connects Heaven and Earth. etc). .S govt.. Thank you for your time. There's also a compass. The Intelligent Energy from the Infinite Creator flows down from above and in through the crown chakra. blending in with society. more often than not. you are born into it. We hide the Truth right out in the wide open. how and at what age were you told you belonged? HH: Yes. We look forward to seeing you on 'the other side' when this grand ride is over. Our wealth is Family wealth. ATS: What do the winged statues. on many occasions. Sure. which has passed down through the generations over thousands of years. and can use your 'Dreamtime' as a method of inner communication. in the way earthbound souls perceive power. Our Love. If you are Bloodline (Family). is knowing deep in your heart. You'll note that the feet point directly downward to the earth. because I know what my path is clearly and I am awaiting the starting point. Sadly. Use the gift of your 'Dreamtime' communications (which are important communications from your OverSoul. or are some members oblivious to this connection they have? Are they informed of this at a particular age? For example. as most assume. and the hands and wingtips point directly up to the sky. Just like in Hollywood productions. that you and your Infinite Creator. and that of your Group Soul. You'll also note that the figure is seated. framed by signs of the zodiac. are all of them aware they are part of this bloodline. both your individual one. and all things must pass through us". therefore we will not likely communicate again after this message. The Life-Force Energy flows into the human mind/body/soul complex from the earth up through the feet. HH: You have indeed 'met' with us (Lucifer) before. and many other Sources whereby information is "downloaded") to 'plug in' to your inner data-bank. and all these things shall be added unto you". even though it is hard at first. ATS: Other questions I have. and you are raised this way. are One.

there'd be no opportunity for a human soul to choose 'good' or 'evil' and thus prove on a spiritual level that they deserve one afterlife fate over another. Does that mean that you should give into and feed the Negativity? No. It was a great Sacrifice for us. you will be as a Beacon of Light into the Darkness. The Game is not Reality. ATS: You are essentially saying that a soul can only choose positivity in a world where negativity also exists. the potential it has). except in the Game. once you have learnt how to do so. with our Infinite Creator. or will you stand and shine your Divine Inner Light? Only you can make that decision for yourself. it's rather difficult to come to terms with a concept whereby suffering and slavery are as natural as love and happiness and that only after this Earthly existence can we ever be free. that this is a beautiful Game that we are playing here and co-creating together. Does it alleviate that we are closing our End Game scenario. Think about this: . to find and express Love and Happiness in a world of Fear and Distress? If you can. ATS: An extremely basic concept but one I'd so far managed to overlook. If there were no protagonist in this world. Does it alleviate that we will have to spend a Cycle in Karmic restitution. to balance this lifetime of overt Negativity? No. and you have the Power to Express your Reality within the Game. to show you that which you are not? Yes. If we only had positivity to choose from. we do it. HH: Exactly. It helps me to understand the answers to some of the questions I've asked. and soon to openly come out and offer publically to "save" the failing political and financial institutions with our esteemed Leadership? No. for those of us who love our Earthly existence (or rather. they are of earthly lineage. do not originate from this planet. Reality is Reality.There is no other way. Can you look beyond what your eyes are showing you. Does it alleviate the Negativity we have perpetuated? No. Does it mean that you should use the Negativity as the tool that it is. its connotations also alleviate the 'NWO' [def] of most accusations. Does it alleviate the pain and suffering we have caused. we'd learn nothing and our souls would manage to prove nothing. HH: I understand. ATS: Unfortunately. they have their place in the Family. The ones you know. Will you succumb to the Darkness. and are causing upon the planet? No. It is the probably the singlemost important thing that I have shared. because we Love you. Remember. HH: That depends upon your perspective. Yes. ATS: I have probably found this the single most insightful thing so far. Unfortunately. always. but the Real Power lines. Your's is to use it. and that no one really "dies" and no one really "suffers". Hard as it is to comprehend from within the mental confines of 3rd Density life experience. I want to be clear on this Bloodline issue. HH: I am glad. Our job is to provide the Catalyst. And that "off stage" (between lives) we are the very best of friends. That is the reason why we came.

and ask the Infinite Creator to guide your path. so I need not spend the little time we have left going into that. When it "just feels right". so as to prevent possible injury whilst dreaming. Train yourself to notice . "Love your 'enemies'. usually until you "shake" yourself awake.If the One Infinite Creator. people I care about. I wish you well on your journey Home. it is not who the messenger is that is of the greatest import. jealousy. There is much information on the internet. I live a good life with friends. Meditate upon that which I have shared. Nothing can destroy the Infinite Creator. it is natural for your body to become paralyzed during the REM cycle. I am essentially a good person but I do have the full range of emotions as a 'real' human. Does sleep paralysis have anything to do with it because i get that from time to time with or without shadow figures. Sometimes when you awake too quickly from a dream. and thus the REM paralysis continues for a while. You are an Eternal Soul. Sit quietly in meditation. even within those who would mean you harm. hate etc. Research and employ Psychic Shielding techniques. then does the Infinite Creator not reside within all things? When you can see the Divine spark of the Infinite Creator. it must pass through the test of your discernment. That occurs when your brain "awakes" from the dream state before your body. HH: There is. No. How can I as an individual take what you say as the 'truth'? HH: No one is asking you to. Use all your Negative emotions as they arise. you've certainly got me thinking and learning. usually. They are the language of your Soul. it is the nature of the Message itself. and you and the Infinite Creator. ATS: And another question. but. are One. others can help you to do so by offering guidance. and listen to your inner feelings. but for their Truth to become your Truth. but rather. and It has). ATS: Thank you Hidden_Hand. sleep paralysis is unrelated. It speaks in the language of Feelings. Your purpose here. the strong grip of the illusion will begin to lose it's power over you. Your earthsuit will perish. I guess I would describe myself as 'luke-warm' to use your phrase. ATS: Is there any way to cancel this restriction? Because i could be just very lazy or under this kind of spell and want to know wich one it is. Never take what another says to you as "Truth". and listen to your Inner Voice. I am genuine. ATS: I go to work to pay my bills. Is it possible that our essence can be destroyed in the coming times or is that just another scare-tactic? HH: No. You are a unique part of the One Infinite Creator. currently residing in a physical shell that you could call an "earth-suit". Read many sites. your body just thinks you are still dreaming. ie. and has created everything that Is (which It is. loved ones. often due to the difficulty to breathe. Sometimes. would it matter even if I were not? Remember. Your Soul will guide you if you ask it. but YOU cannot die. Whilst going through REM deep sleep. is Infinite. HH: You are very welcome. and pray for those who persecute you". is to find your own Truth. and we'll all have a good old laugh about the parts we have played in this grand drama. Your essence can never be destroyed. as the tools that they truly are. We will see you on the other side. Whether you're genuine or not. it is.

or go to another similar 3rd Density planet (for the "luke-warms") to continue in your learning for however many Cycles it takes you to Graduate to 4th Density Positive. before the veil of forgetfulness once again descends upon you. remember that all thought is creative. You will meet up with your Soul Group. that which we call time/space or 'anti-matter'. there will be a moment of "zero-point time". It is called 'working on yourself'. Those in this . even if ones you love who are already back in the world of Spirit have incarnated again on another adventure. and enjoy a wonderful and emotional reunion. what then? What happens to me? What happens to my friends and loved ones? Are we. Depending upon the difficulty level of the life-experience we've chosen. but that he was just not in possession of the "bigger picture". we take more or less of our Energy with us. No. my time here is over and this conscious shell I live in is no more. We all store a portion of our Soul Energy on 'the other side' when we come here. before begining to plan your next incarnation. we typically bring between 60-80% of our Soul Energy into incarnation with us. you will immediately return to that wondrous realm in which we reside in between incarnations. It depends upon the circumstances surrounds your final moments of this particular Lifetime. giving you a wonderful reminder and reassurance of who and what you really are. and in so doing. For those who do not physically "die" before the Great Harvest arrives. I mean the vast vast majority of us who possess this planet. and not a disclosure I was previously aware of. I like questions that come from the heart. ATS: I also read through the above link from one calling themselves 'The Insider'. You will then evaluate your lifeexperience with your Teachers. and your Spiritual Teachers. I wish you well in your transformation process. This is the place that humans refer to as "Heaven". Graduate to 4th Density Positive (possible). simply choose again. although his / her posts were less sophisticated than yours.when Negativity arises in you. and is the main reason you have chosen to be here right now. Therefore. Just keep noticing your Negative thought patterns as they arise. and welcome you Home. For an average "Lifetime". let us say that the physical aspect of you was to do the thing called "die" during the coming earth changes. by and large going to be ignorant of the events you foretell? HH: This is a good question. It was very interesting. and certain clues within his writing gives me a very good idea which one. that would make perfect sense. and learn the lessons of your successes and your mistakes. where you will enjoy an ecstatic merging with the Infinite Creator. there will still be a part of their Energy there to meet with you. this dimension. For example. depending upon whether you join us in 4th Density Negative (unlikely). I would say his material is around 60% accurate. I note that he himself stated that he is "from a minority". and ask yourself if that is really what you want to create? It takes a while to become proficient. not a 'predecessor of mine'. and by we. When you catch yourself projecting a Negative thought. but do not give up. Were he to be from the "minority" group I believe him to be from. Though. You will then spend time in learning and resting. would be highly strange. To work upon yourself. and you will be transported to the place that awaits you. which had it come from my Family. and select a response that is more Positive. ATS: So when the Harvest comes. this density. Was he your predecessor? One of your ilk charged with this 'disclosure'? HH: A good question. There you shall meet with all those you love who have also "died" during this life experience. I have just read through that material. The feelings I get from reading him. are not that he intentionally included inaccurate information.

then my time will have been well spent. although if you were really a royal bloodline person you would know that it means nothing. If I were to give you the "proof" that you are looking for. It just be as though you all had some mystical experience. thinking. and you will receive. Search. I mean in general). as has been my task incarnating here for thousands of years. ATS: You can't provide 1 shred of proof that this isn't a hoax even though it would be incredibly easy to do so. Knock. To make you think.. I'm just a messenger. That is what we came here to do. That would be disasterous were that to occur. and what you do in relation to the Catalyst. not 'you' personally. What I want. I wish you well in your endeavors. and the door will be opened for you". I mean 'you' as in people in general). is to provide a Catalyst. "Ask. or that of the "Order of the Knight's Templar" through the York Rite. My task here. and deciding for yourself what "feels" like Truth for you. to stop for a moment. It's all about you (again.. I do not want for you to blindly believe me. it is quite intriguing.category will not remember anything at the time of your transition. it will be just like nothing has changed. people would likely take everything I've said here as "gospel". If my words cause you. ATS: I find you difficult to believe and yet you respond and inform in a very sophisticated manner. Seek the Infinite Creator within you.. This is not intended to be an object lesson prophesy fulfillment. HH: That is good. except you will retain the memory of your "zero-point" experience to encourage you. Too many on this planet spend their entire lifetime doing and thinking things because others say that they are true. (Again. ATS: I am a 32nd degree Mason. Big difference. even if for just a short time. and take for granted as being true (because "everyone else believes it"). is that my words become a Catalyst for you. you are very much mistaken. and have not been taught of the Truths of Creation. and evaluate that which you 'think' you already know about the nature of Life. I would be disappointed if that were to be the case. were you who you claim you were. then I would be very interested indeed to know which area Lodge you attend. because you will have learned nothing for yourselves. for you will have learned nothing from my time here. Not can't. or even wanted for that to happen. Naturally I completely understand and respect if you do not wish to make such personal details known publicly though. It's not about me. if I were to predict things and tomorrow they all happen before your very eyes. and ask for It's guidance. Question what you "think" you know about reality. generally speaking). If you think I thought that I would be blindly believed. HH: Won't. and you will find.. HH: If you have Genuinely attained the level of "Sublime Prince of The Royal Secret" through the Scottish Rite. You will not remember the recent experiences of the Harvest in this life here. (Not you personally. My desire is that you become an Authentic Human Being. and feeling. and life will continue as 'normal' for you. . as I would very much like to speak with your current Worshipful Master.

HH: That word "debunked" always brings me a hearty laugh. the more results we get. have Trust in him.Of course. that it works both ways. I have already given it unto you". If we get up. I've taken these results to heart as personal evidence that some higher force or forces can respond in a meaningful manner to at least me & perhaps to anyone. I expect you will likely come back and say how there is no further progression beyond 33rd. so they can replace their heads back into the sand for a while longer. ATS: And this one would be the hoaxer's sock puppet (new name. (Because all thought is Creative). When there's no-one else in the room but 'you'. people are too busy to notice. is knowing that our Infinite Creator has provided for you as he promised. Still. and being thankful for that. Our Infinite Creator longs to be close to us. acting as the coach for the OP). even before you see the results. there will be a nice surprise in store for you. would you please be gracious enough to shed light on this phenomena HH: There is no such thing as coincidence. Only mostly. when he gives them their change at the shop. he is closer than most would believe. Don't have "faith" in our Infinite Creator. more often than not. I must press on with questions from those with open minds. I don't rule out the possibility of coincidence. if you're lucky. . Thanksgiving. for those attending the Blue or Craft Lodges. But remember. The more we trust in our Creator. Life gives us what we expect we'll receive. Anyway. "For even before you ask. or the York Rite's equivalent. Just enough of a "shell" to help those who really don't want the Truth to be True. . ATS: That your repeating debunked conspiracy theory shows your just here to hoax. that's exactly what we'll get. they just don't notice him. I hope to be able to be present personally in the event that you are ever invited to progress beyond the 33rd Degree. is because they do not really believe that they will. ATS: Over the course of my life I have occasionally resorted to prayer. Some people seem to think that throwing the word "debunked" around means that it really has been. is Thanksgiving. all posts in this thread. I would like to be the one tasked with introducing you to Lucifer. when you tuck her into bed and give her a kiss goodnight. keep up your good work.. what you said in another post about there only being three degrees is true. though as you've stated that you are 32nd degree. As they pass him by on the street every day. The vast majority of "debunking" has more holes in it that the "conspiracy theories" it's meant to be silencing. The most Powerful form of "prayer". I'm presuming you are either Scottish Rite. somewhere down the line. In truth. Nothing happens by chance. Life is in a constant process of communication with us. I sincerely hope that make it that far. I leave you with my regards. when you squash him as he's running up your bathroom wall toward his web. some formal & some not with truly astounding & nearly instant physical results. The main reason people don't have their "prayers" answered. Well. From your vantage point. and expect to have a bad day. created to give him/her the aura of credibility.. to carry on believing that it's not.

and decide for yourself in the light of your intuition and inner feelings. And I am charged with comparing them to the truth within me. the better. Who will you stand before when we are all called home? HH: We shall stand as all shall. Dreams are a key method our Souls use to speak with us. Any Admin can have the power to see if I'm using multiple accounts. if that's what you are suggesting? Not really my area usually. We are aware of Project Camelot. by all means you are most welcome to spread this message. "Hidden_Hand". nothing by chance. or that I want. I would encourage you NOT to just blindly accept what I say as "the truth". dealing with the internet. May I respectfully recomend that you choose another venue next time? ( I like ProjectCamelot myself ). from my experience here. with the greatest respect and humility. "Hidden-Hand". Again. I would tend to agree. it offers me this HH: Nothing by chance sir. my first one that I never got the confirmation email for. I have. I have quite enjoyed this time of relating to others over "cyber-space". grammer and typos. You really are desperately clutching at straws. When I read your words I am compelled from within to explore their complete meanings and truthfulness. The conscious mind is too busy and distracted most of the time. My Infinite Creator gives me the only "credibility" that I need. In fact I rarely have time to even venture onto it. Though I was not aware they also have a forum. That is not to say that my words are not True. Because I am not. They are doing some remarkable work. if you're game for an "assignment". and this one. to hear what Spirit has to say. I would be happy for someone to collate this topic (minus the "interruptions") so that the message appears with just the actual flow of questions and answers. I am forced to examine them to the fullest. ATS: Hidden_Hand. for that matter. if you so desire. and post it there in one piece. HH: That is precisely that way it should be. before our One Infinite Creator. I chose ATS as I was reliably informed that it is one of the forums with a higher rate of intelligence and reasoning amongst it's members. As I mentioned before. or maybe someone else if you haven't the time. meditate upon them. but I had one last night. Two accounts will show for me. I find it amazing that out of all the topics the universe has to offer. and it urged me to pose a question to you. On the whole. In anycase I'm still reading with an open mind but sceptical mind. HH: Thank you. for my whole life searched near and far for answers to questions. but that one must weigh them up. So It tends to use the subconscious instead. I've enjoyed reading your posts if for nothing then the unusual ( for ATS "whistleblowers" anyway ) fact that it isn't bullet holed with bad writing. .HH: Oh dear. whether or not these words "feel" True for you. Well. The more people it can reach. my question I pose to you. ATS: I have very few dreams now a days. the one I did get the confirmation for. It never was my intention that anyone should make such an error in judgment. ATS: Hidden_Hand. Though if you think it would be of value to Camelot. ATS: Hidden Hand. I would be more than happy for an Admin to say if I am.

But at the same time. to see that which you are not. in bringing this Negative Polarity into your Game for you. ATS: Also you mentioned 2 prior contacts (1999 and 2003) can you shed some more light and specifics on those sources as I assume they are not to be considered privileged to those who ask? HH: Unfortunately that is beyond my remit. . we also know that we shall be rewarded with a hearty "thank you" and "job well done". that you may use it wisely. but I also see similarities in three other sources which have been discussed in this and other forums on the internet. The Edgar Cayce Material (In which the RA entity may have played a part). There are many distortions within it.We already know that which awaits us. for the Sacrifice we have made. They are ACIM (A course in Miracles. and guides your path. That is a wonderful word to have ended your communication with. and the 1999 material was not released for the same reasons as that which I am sharing here. mainly along the lines of the Law of Radiation and Attraction. and the "Terra Papers". We ask that our One Infinite Creator blesses you. there is much strong meat to be ingested from it's reading. ATS: Thank you for your assistance. "to recognize and honour the divine spark within each of us" we would be in for a massively Positive Harvest. We shall have to work off the Karmic effect of our actions. We shall have to experience the Negativity of our own creation. Thank you for your questions. and it would be misleading for me to point you in it's direction now.. Keep an open mind. knowing that this is a beautiful and intricate game that we are all co-creating here together. but weigh it all up (as you should any philosophy that you allow to enter into the sacred space of your mind) and take the Truths that resonate with you. I am not aware of "the Terra Papers". ATS: I wonder if Hidden_Hand has read something called The Law of One. Can those of us seeking to continue our understanding of these matters find anything of use from these sources? HH: ACIM has some core truths within it. You have mentioned the "RA" chanelings. alledgedled channeled by the Christos). but for ones who are of a discerning mind. in our coming 4th Density Negative Polarity world. Namasté HH: You are welcome. I've only picked through it (having just stumbled on it after reading these posts). Namasté to you too. but our goals have changed in many ways since that time. but it is also littered with inaccuracies. There was much Truth within it.. Edgar Cayce's work is significant. The 2003 material was removed by the Admins of the site it was shared at as they felt it was "causing too much controversy". ATS: As you will be leaving us this Friday I would be interested in finding verification for other possible sources of information for this knowledge. and ask our Infinite Creator to bless your path.but it reads remarkably similar to H_H's responses here. we wish you all the very best. If one would genuinely live by it's essence. in fact I have been specifically instructed by my own upline not to do so. I am sorry. and know what it feels like. I would appreciate your evaluation of the information coming from these sources in the light of your messages.

. then please let me know. as I stated. in the short time we have left. many of my answers will need to exercise more brevity that I would ideally like. but i'm afraid to let it out? Help me! HH: Do I "know" you. yes. and it is very similar to the knowledge my Family has.? HH: I have already made reference to this (The Ra material) earlier in the topic. I do not. Will look forward to seeing you tomorrow.www. as the individuated human expression typing to me over cyberspace? No. some 25 years or so ago. We know Ra (the entity) very well. and were not intentional. if that question ultimately still serves a greater purpose. or is that book instead the "truth?" Maybe H_H could respond.. What part do you play in all this? What part do you want to play? The choice. would be to do so . such as what car I drive for example). though this is necessary. it is the most accurate public information available in this world currently. and then I must take my leave. but not all of the books when they first came out.. I think I'm up to date with your questions now. you are co-creating the storyline on this planet. that in light of the above. to respond to as many of you as I can. is entirely yours. and are happy that they are even now still working here on this planet "behind the scenes" to prepare for the Great Harvest. answer other questions that I feel are important in the grand scheme of things. It is approximately 85-90% accurate. My advice. So is this the hoax source. and I strongly recommend it's reading. This was unforeseen and unavoidable. and have passed down for many many generations. as far as possible. The inaccuracies occurred when the channel was weak.info . I will do my best to reply. Without further delay. focus my remaining time with you. Fourth Session: HH: Ok. We have two sessions left together. I shall continue with our discourse: ATS: Do you know me? Do you know who i'm? What part do i play in all this? When will i awake? Will i awake? Should i awake? I feel it in me. As I stated then. Please bear in mind. My second focus will be upon answering other intelligent or insightful questions that can be used to further develop our discourse. as always. I will not have sufficient time to answer all of your questions. I will also. I desire to impart as much as I am able with you. if I have missed any (that are not unimportant ones. so I will for the most part. to anyone with an enquiring mind. upon responding to those questions that I feel to be from the heart... I read some. unfortunately my remaining time is shorter than planned. ones asked by those who are genuinely looking to take something away with them of import from our discourse here together. Whether you are consciously aware of it or not.lawofone. meaning that even if the question seems to be from someone more intent on finding things to "debunk".

ask it to yourself. then use the Catalyst and tools we have provided for you. Giving dates and times that are not going to come to pass. it was a Ritual Human Sacrifice. Eg. but rather. but i'm afraid to let it out? Help me!" Why are you afraid? Do not reply to that question. you will know that there is nothing to fear. ATS: Are the PTB [Powers That Be. and makes it difficult for your mind to achieve the deeper alpha and theta states conducive with relaxing deeply and hearing your inner voice). succeeds in putting out the Light of the 'channeller's message. terror. and discernment. would probably be a good idea. Ask your Infinite Creator to help you. "I feel it in me. don't you? If not. (The electromagnetic field they create disturbs your brainwave patterns. That. Wes Penre's comment] focusing on creating a negative point in the universe to upset the balance of our universe? HH: No. not so subtle. and illuminate your path. leaving the refrigerator on. during your quiet time. ATS: Was the 911 ritual the creation of a star gate? HH: No. I have made many subtle. ATS: Is the creation of fear. You do work upon yourself. as to how you may choose to do this. When you find. by destroying the credibility of the messenger. Switch off all non essential electrical appliances. Thank her. We ask our One Infinite Creator to guide you. because you know that he will. horror and suffering by your kind to create loosh emotions for feeding at the time of harvest? HH: No. She just tuned into the "wrong channel" and listened to the wrong programme. Sit in silence. Be the strong and courageous Soul that deep down. Trust yourself. that if one does not exercise the appropriate protection. Why are you afraid? Remember that this is a Game that you are playing. I mentioned before. and even overtly blatant statements within this topic. and the obvious catalyst for the so called "War on Terror". Be honest with yourself. where you work upon yourself. and that it is not Reality. you know yourself to be. When will you awake? When do you want to awake? Do you want to awake at all? If your answer to this question is "yes". you know that something is amiss. now would be a good time to start. When they start giving you dates and times. what was initially a positive channel can very easily become unknowingly corrupted by a negative one. and come to know your Creator living within you. ATS: So could the predictions of federation of light's "Goodchild" could have been true in a sense instead of a UFO or our understanding of a UFO could be light bearers influencing mankind ascend / descend to a higher/lower vibration status? HH: She has a good heart. . Do not hide your Inner Light. and shine your light into the darkness.consciously.

and cannot be destroyed. You wouldn't learn anything. will you Create Consciously. HH: They are not. To develop a mind that has mastery over my . and loves. That Infinite Being living within and around your "body"..H. my concern is that I will be recycled back onto the wheel of life and be reborn with a new brain and lose everything I have so arduously learned in this life time. there is no need to "try".ATS: Are the bloodlines that have been infused with the ancient wisdoms trying to become god’s themselves? HH: There is no need to try. there's no point in your coming into space/time. Who you are. The only reason you don't remember it all now. The part of you that thinks. HH: There is nothing "wrong" with having an ego. is Real. is due to what we term the "veil of forgetfulness". ATS: I endeavor each day to master myself and change. A Soul enters into It's physical container usually long before the birthing process. You will get to where you desire to be. It would be like playing a computer game with all the cheats. strangely. and do you and others much harm. Yet. and places it upon some shadowy unknown figure. We're just at different stages of our development. if you do not have it under control. If you came into each new incarnation with access to your Soul memory. HH: Your Soul remembers everything you've ever experienced. see "Creator". and feels. Remember that this current physical body you carry around with you. It takes time and patience. I am a growing and evolving Soul. You will retain all your memories of this life experience once you pass onto the realm of time/space. Or in fact learn from the wealth of knowledge that we are searching for in making mistakes and correcting those mistakes. ATS: My dream is to be a master such as yourself. namely your Soul. It will always be a part of you. time/space is Real. The only question is. ATS: H. or that which some call "Heaven". ATS: What is wrong with having an ego and why do the new age religions try to suppress the ego? Without an ego is seems as though one can't ponder his own existence. space/time is illusion. It has the potential to be either negative or positive. What are alarm clocks for? ATS: Please explain how new born babies are infused with spirits after birth. Be sure to make time to enjoy the journey. It is up to you how you use the potential. or subconsciously? ATS: What is 11. as with any tool. outside of yourself. ATS: Does a website like this serve the purpose of negative generating? HH: That depends upon how you use it.. is who you really are. it carries the potential to become dangerous. but still before the actual birth. Humanity needs to grow beyond the stagnating concept of "gods". And so are you. just as you are. Instead of "god". So. sometimes later. is not who you are.11? HH: Think of it as an alarm clock. Your ego is an excellent and invaluable tool. HH: I am not a Master. The idea of "god" takes the Power out of your own hands. We already are Creators. It's just the vessel for your essence. In other words. somewhere "out there". and it takes the fun out of playing the game.

Many there are in this world. to be all that you wish to become. We look forward to sitting down for a good old reminisce with you on the other side. HH: Then here is what you must do: Go and find yourself a mirror. that it is not only the mind you must develop. which engenders unwavering Loyalty. ATS: Honored sir (or madam) I wish to be the one to bring a new planetary energy system to the world. we can only place our trust in those raised in our ways. that this is not possible. in that you are consciously choosing to work upon yourself. You have it Within yourSelf. Remember though. I feel I have come so far in this life time and yet not far enough. and discussions of such would be held with respect. Work with your feelings as well as your thoughts. it can be grueling at times. HH: You are welcome. who are not even aware of such a concept. I would not wish the conditioning process we go through on anyone. but also your Soul. See yourself within all "others". May our Infinite Creator bless and guide your path. I am aware I can never be a "member". I humbly request access to this small bit of needed information. and it is too late to begin the process once childhood has passed. Cultivate Compassion (as that is the main thing you will begin working with in 4th Density). back stage. . I have much to ponder. ATS: My dream is to one day personally meet great masters like yourself and learn what you know. I am also aware a trade off would be in the offing. to our One Infinite Creator. once the game is over. I feel the desire within you to progress. and live each moment in Thanksgiving. and raised in a very specific and rigorous way. No matter how keen and sincere one may be to "join" us. ATS: Thank you for coming here and sharing your vast knowledge of the universe. and then say this magic word: "Hello". though not with guaranteed acceptance. When you see us "out of costume" you will recognize us as your age old friends. A U2U message to set up a more secure route of communication would be splendid. As it is assumed that the "families" have great knowledge. HH: I am sorry. and much more that you cannot yet even imagine. Then remember this one crucial thing: There are no "others". but "acolyte" would suffice. In the meantime. keep Trusting in.body. Thank you for your questions. One is Born into the Family. HH: You are on the right path. and working upon yourself. I await your reply. I presume. And you will indeed meet with us. Gaze deeply into it. and treat "others" as you would like to be treated yourself.

it is a tool of learning. A Karmic Cycle is brought to completion once you have learned the lessons intended for you from it. experience what that felt like for them. Seek therefore to ensure that the effect of your presence upon those 'others' whom you encounter upon your journey. and ask your Infinite Creator to bring you insight. The Law of Karmic Effect is not a 'punishment'. Are your family members born with the knowledge of what they are and where they're from? If not. HH: You are welcome. are positive and beneficial. For some. remember also. if at all? Is there an end to the karmic cycle? 2. ATS: I'm still not clear on what this harvest is. I have some more. or however else. of which there will no longer exist the physical realm as we currently know it to be and are experiencing as an "illusion"? HH: I have already covered this elsewhere in the topic. our Infinite Creator does. We do not reap. But yes. that even cyclical time. I have given as much information as is permissible for me. and what the different variations of experience will be. for those who truly seek to develop themselves. and look forward to seeing you at the "aftershow" party. a Thought-Form of our Infinite . have you ever doubted or questioned any of it? Thanks. and find the information I have already presented on how the Harvest will occur. Take them "within". emotionally. and Creation. which is set in place to promote personal growth and development. There are many informational "gems" within these pages. ATS: Will it be an instantaneous change. 1). It is also important to hold in mind that it works both ways. for want of a more eloquent metaphor. our Infinite Creator did. In other words. Though. is part of Creation. Karma cannot be 'overcome'. it must be 'worked off'. you'll keep cycling until such a time as you get the message. If you keep repeating the same mistakes. or more accurately. or is it another 3D illusion? 3. No. The true nature of time.by you! HH: Not by us. all of us will learn that which we need to learn. and all of us will find our way Home. is cyclical. unfortunately this is also not possible or allowable for me. Is time really as we perceive it. and it's all taught and passed down. others are more subtle and multi-layered. We wish you well upon your journey. If you have to feel the consequences of your actions. beautiful as it may be. by separating the wheat from the chaff.As for further communication. A "harvest" means to reap what has been sown . Some are obvious. 1b). How can karma be overcome. there is a higher likelihood of your choosing a different course. it just takes longer than others. ATS: Thank you for answering my previous questions. you will have to. during this discourse. if that's ok? 1. be it physically. and break the cycle. ultimately. the next time around. is also an Illusion. at some future point. We help to prepare the Harvest. Linear time is more accurately described as an intentional fabrication. 2). I would encourage you to read through again. We did not sow. if you've hurt someone.

Creator. Creation is not Real, but the Creator and Co-Creators of it, are. 3). This is an excellent question. I will devote some time to it: Firstly, there is a distinction to be made. When I speak of Family in this particular reply, I am referring to the Power lines, ie; those that do not originate from this planet. The bloodlines that you know of, whilst they are a part of our extended Family, are not born with the same extent of (Spiritual/Esoteric) Power that we are, and in this response, I am referring to our True and Pure Family. We are not born with the same veil of forgetfulness as you are. The veil is still in place, but would be most accurately described as being somewhat "thinner". We see the "invisible" connections of life which are hidden from you, because we retain access to more than just the 3rd Density perspective. Not dissimilar to the manner in which some people can see what you call auras. This is because you are working your way up, whereas we have chosen to step down, in order to help you. We could not do this as successfully if we had to forget all that we have learned. In other words, to you, everything "appears" as being "separate". We see that this is not the case. We do not have 'direct' Soul Memory, as in the manner that you remember what you did yesterday, but we may access any portion of our Soul memory we so chose when we focus upon it, often in a meditative state. Personally, my experiences are different again, in other ways, due to my specialty in the Spiritual disciplines. But I will go into that in more detail later, in response to another question. Yes, information is indeed passed down, though unlike for yourselves, any one of us may, with some effort, check the validity of that information from our Personal and Group Soul Memory. basically, where you see yourselves as "separate" human beings, we see and Know, that we are One. ATS: Then I am glad I picked up on that particular point. I found it to be a real ray of light. Though, I'm unsure what to do with it. This information feels as though it should comfort me, and yet it's difficult to feel comfortable knowing that 'evil', in part, makes us who we are. But thank you nonetheless. HH: "Evil" is Not who you are. It is part of the complex series of illusions, that you use in 3rd Density, to show you who you are not. The further up through the Densities you work, the less Polarity plays an important part in the game. The Sixth Density, the Density of Unity, is the last level that Polarity is a factor, but even then, it factors in a very different way. Instead of balancing Positive / Negative, you will be balancing Love / Light, Compassion / Wisdom. ATS: True, and I'm glad you pointed that out to me. I think what I really meant when I said you are "alleviated" is that your very essence is not 'evil' or corrupt. And this alleviates you from my perspective because I'd forged an idea of the ruling elite as being comprised of terminally corrupted souls. HH: No Soul is terminally corrupted. Every Soul is a beautiful individuated portion of our One Infinite Creator. Souls play characters in the Game of Incarnation. Souls can play some really mean and nasty characters, but underneath the disguise, they will always be beautiful. Remember this, everytime one of these beautiful Souls 'mistreats' you as a part of their storyline. They're just playing their part, like any good actor does whilst on stage. Be thankful to them for their Sacrifice, and learn the lessons they are bringing to you. ATS: You say we all mingle between incarnations but I suspect the nature of our perception and interaction in that realm is not comparable to our Earthly methods of interaction and therefore, as a united entity there'll be no independent 'laughter' . I have a few (what I feel are probably final) questions for you: HH: Not so. Think in terms of individuated Souls, who can see and understand that they are not separate, but interconnected. It is an illusion, that "space" is "empty". You will still interact as

an individual, yet at the same time, you will see how we are all One. It is difficult to explain in a way that makes 3rd Density sense. We just do not have the words or concepts to describe it. We no longer need words where we are going. ATS: 1) How do you know all this? And I really mean KNOW. Clearly you have been taught in great depth about the nature of existence. But how do you know this first hand? How is it more than faith for you? Have you been able to avoid 'forgetting' upon reincarnation? HH: I have made reference to this, in my answer to the previous poster. ATS: 2) You seem to be suggesting that your methods of physical enslavement are intended to force us into spiritual awakening. But if that is so, why are methods of spiritual suppression used against the general populace (chemicals, organised religion, sociological)? I understand why you obstruct our material lives but not why you obstruct our spiritual development. HH: Think of it as a "test". Have you ever noticed, how just when you 'think' you've found something that really "feels" like Truth for you, something will come along to make you doubt it? To make you doubt the truth, and in so doing, to also doubt yourself in believing it? It happens all the time, in fact, almost every time you have some new revelation that gets you all excited. And it happens, quite by design. You cannot see this however, as it's happening beyond 3rd Density comprehension, in a realm where everything can be seen as adjoining and relating to everything else. Syncronicity. All a magical part of our Infinite Creator's ingenously Creative mind, and excellent sense of humour and irony. Can you see how the "test" works? Just when you find something that you've weighed up and dissected with your discernment, and decided to integrate it into your concept of "Truth", along comes the challenge to your newfound beliefs. Usually in the form of an event, or something that 'others' may say to disuede you. Your Spiritual development, like all other aspects of your progression, is something that you have to work for. How do you know if your newly discovered 'truth' is really True, if you're never tested on it. The test, is this: In the face of a challenge, who do you trust? Do you trust what the "outside world" is showing you? Or, do you hold fast to that which "feels" like Truth, deep within you? That is something you can only answer for yourself. I am sorry I do not have the time left to respond to all of your questions, so I selected the ones I felt to be the most important.

I have enjoyed our communication Cythraul, and am happy to have made your aquaintance. Well, I must press on with more questions. I ask that our Infinite Creator bless and guide you on your path, and give you the Courage of your convictions. Be well friend, I look forward to meeting up with you when we've completed the game. ATS: I have one more question for you if i may. What question has not been asked as of yet that is most important for us to know if any? And if there is any would you consider it asked now? Not sure if this one does any good but it stuck in my mind last night. HH: An excellent, and incisive question to ask. I think what I shall do, is to save this question, for the very end of our discourse. It will be an effective way to bring our time together to a close. ATS: Hidden_Hand, I know you're trying to focus on spiritual questions and questions about the density shift. But if you could detract for a moment to answer my questions about shape shifting I'd appreciate it. HH: I will, but must be very brief, I am sorry. Shapeshifting is not a "natural" phenomenon. "Shapeshifting" creatures / races do not exist, at least certainly not in any realm, Galaxy or Density we have ever experienced. However, there are certain Rituals that when engaged in, enables this to take place. It has to do with the fact that the body, as is true of all physical things, is not really solid. Sure, it looks and feels as if it is, but in actuality, all matter is composed of atomic and sub-atomic particles of Light, within molecules and compounds. As I say, I'm being brief through necessity, and don't have time to go into the science. There are certain Rituals which when undertaken, allow for a range of 'manipulations' of the socalled 'solid' bodily mass to take place. I have seen some grotesque images in my time, which I really prefer not to dwell upon. I trust that even if in some small way, this will have answered your query. And this next question, I will have to finish on for tonight. I have somewhere I must be. ATS: H_H, I wish to thank you for your enlightening words. It has been an utmost pleasure of mine to read what you have spoken. I do however have a couple of questions.. As I look into myself, I see (feel) as though I am an old soul who has learned many things and possibilities, how are we to know how far along we have come in regards to obtaining a higher spiritual being during the coming Harvest?

and concentrate to a greater or lesser extent. But. Or. "He is always behaving like this". in other words. Casting back at you the reflection. The behavior is not "who they are". Do you look at a person. so I'll go with the former. of that which you have projected into it. and think about how you would like to change them? Or. and essentially. you are saying: "She is so hard to live with". Do you see what you are doing? Remember. How many arguments do you find yourself engaging in? Is there bitterness and acrimony within the ranks? Do you look at others. you could miss it. or once the Great Harvest is accomplished. do you love them. I've already touched on what happens after in a few replies. that which you are Creating. most do. Now.HH: You are most welcome.. I am unsure whether your question refers to now. it does mean loving and accepting the person (Soul). So. is known as Unconditional Love. the Soul within. Simply because you do not understand the Law of Radiation and Attraction. word. how loving and harmonious are your personal relationships? Remember that the world. All thought is creative. loving and accepting someone as they are. Despite what "appears" to being going on in "the world at large". You get back Exactly what you send out. that all thought. when Graduating into 4th Density Positive. for who they are. upon the things that you dislike about them and wish would change. there is a simple method to check upon your progress. and deed. is Creative. And in fact. The quality of your relationships. and accept them as they are? Loving and accepting someone. not the Soul's behavior. That is something you will spend much time working upon. or the qualities that you like and admire in them? Remember that we have said. Take away the "question" from your sentence. as this is so obvious. . is who they are. is an excellent mirror. does not mean accepting abusive behavior. when you send out the thought "Why is she so hard to live with? Why is he always behaving like this? Ask yourself. It's a good idea to get a headstart. from which to gauge the quality of your output. You have just created the very behaviour in that person. As for now. Appreciation is always appreciated. what exactly are you doing? Now focus here. that you wish to change. is your mirror.

we've got all the time/space in the world. or have to repeat the cycle. even if for one lifetime you were to be apart. No rush though friend. "catch yourself" as you are having them. in any way correspond to the thoughts you have been having about them? If you're honest with yourself. so the Universal Mind uses Archetypes to communicate in Dreamtime. simply change your perspective. but just keep catching yourself. Now.. the more you are going to see of it. they must have behaved that way in the first place. Ask yourself. It is the difference between conscious. In a similar way that the writing in some of our Oriental languages uses a system whereby a collection of words or meanings are contained within what is essentially a 'symbol'. Think. How you love their smile. having recognized this. and pay attention to their Quality. but soon. or more appropriately. I strongly wish I may meet you someday and have a good talk. try an experiment: Take someone in your life. HH: You are very welcome. Why do we Dream in Metaphors which make no sense? HH: I do not have time left tonight to respond sufficiently. about the things you like about this person. Sure. Persevere. to make you notice that you didn't like it. you just need to learn the language. The Negative thoughts. about the thoughts you have projected about that person. Always monitor your thoughts. Just like understanding any new dialect. it's a strong bet that it does. And then. The more you focus on that behavior. literally. what will you do about it? Simply notice your Negative thoughts as they arise. Though rest assured. ATS: And one more thing as I know there are others who are longing for questions answered. and conforming to your expectations about the way it will be for you. and what Life will show you. the way they do such and such nice thing. All the time/space in Creation actually. we all have off days sometimes. the sound of their happy laughter. you will always be together in time/space (between incarnations) and you will be able to plan many future 'lives' (incarnations) together. Keep putting those positive thoughts out. that you love. . how helpful and loving they can be. but the short version is that the Universal Mind speaks in Archetypal Imagery.. in this lifetime. Not now. but sometimes have trouble getting along with. and it will happen as you wish. but. ATS: Thank you so very much H_H. Then prepare yourself for an "almost magical" transformation of your circumstances. doing what it does. my soul mate who I Love dearly.Now. It's just Life. ATS: And what of our Loved Ones. Focus instead. is directly related to what you will see around you. because what you think about. as you may have a bit of negative work to undo first. does the behavior that you do not like in that person. and focusing on the positive. and subconscious Creation. when we have finished playing this game together. Will I be able to take this new Journey of the Harvest alongside my Loved ones? HH: That will depend upon whether or not you both Graduate.

when the butterfly emerges. I have a long journey I must make shortly. There is no such things as "god". ATS: I feel as though I am like Shelby. for bringing you into Being. None of the names given for this "Supreme Being" by your religions are the true name. Is there anything you can . which is a misunderstanding of the original concept of "Creator". or I am just so confused and not in-tune with my inner-self that I can not figure out what is my purpose in this game. but we are all a part of It. but rather live in a state of Thanksgiving and Service to It. I ask that our Infinite Creator bless and watch over you. and your place within it. which spring from the texts their religion is based upon. This is further confused. "God" implies some separate entity which is 'outside' of you. and has nothing to do with our soul or being which will carry on into the next life or density? HH: Indeed. which you must supplicate to and worship. "God" is a human concept. do not want your worship. They want you to understand Creation. or Logos. Look upon physical incarnation as the chrysalis in which you may transform. Our One Infinite Creator. They feel extremely real whilst we are playing the Game. and cannot be late for it. heavily influenced by us. Do not 'worship' your Infinite Creator. Fifth Session: HH: This will be our last session together. and indeed they have to. in which we may forget who we really are. and that you have spent the time in writing our new ones. But rather. in that there is One Supreme Being. and for this amazing Game It has Created. Goodnight to you all. Should I keep on having faith in the fact that the world around me is "god" and that there is not one particular being that deserves this faith? HH: Religion is either actually created. much like the chrysalis of a caterpillar. as has been explained previously. rather than it's subjects. or at very least. in order to make you believe that the Game is real. the 'matter' of human form is shed. as a Co-Creator. I shall do my best to reply to as many of you as I possibly can do tomorrow. No-one really "dies". They just have different concepts about It. before I must take my leave. Ultimately. and almost all of our Logos and subLogos'. and know ourself one again. but they are indeed correct. in the form of the One Infinite Creator. ATS: So basically the form that we have is actually just a body with bones and skin and so on and so forth. namely the Infinite Creator. I am sorry for those who must have missed my earlier post from yesterday which clearly stated that I already have more questions than I have time to answer. My time is so limited. there is a "Supreme Being".I must go now for tonight. so when we "die" the pain and suffering is just part of our human shell. 'pain' and 'suffering' are just aspects of the Game. but have lost my way. as there are many macrocosmic level Creators. I will do my very best to pack in as much as we can. in order to remember. ATS: I have always been very confused and not clear on the subject of "god". I am unable to respond to you. as the Creator. what matters is our soul or being that is inside us that makes us question and deal with our surroundings and life. having been tossed around from religion to religion from my parents it is hard to discern which "god" to believe or have faith in.

and transform yourself into a more positive and loving being. At the end of each physical incarnation. except perhaps. The idea being. Look at the things in your life that you most love to do. for the coming Great Harvest. worked upon them.shed upon this? HH: Your purpose in the Game. to improve the quality of your character. Once you've successfully identified these issues within your life. and the list goes on. to check that you have not forgotten that which you have learned. It will be highly likely that these are also things that you chose to come here to work upon. but lately I feel as though I am starting to wake up and see things more clearly. and there is nothing to save yourself from. Let us say for example. develop. to work upon these issues. Perhaps anger. It is good to hear that you are awakening. because if you already knew what your goals were. that you perhaps struggle to deal with. is to work upon yourself. which is a main reason for the veil of forgetfulness being in place. the Game would be too easy. and that is another reason why I am here at this time. that rather than losing your temper. look at the negative things. ignorance as in a 'lack of understanding'. This same analogy may be applied to all manner of circumstances in which life will test you. as I've previously stated. and seem to present themselves to you. time and time again. in order for you to learn the things you need to learn. that you chose to come here to work upon patience during this incarnation. No-one's Soul does. you will have to repeat as many 3rd Density Cycles as is necessary. There is nothing to 'save' it from. you will get there in the end. But as I say. I hope this may give you some clues as to how to identify the things you came here to do. speaking with you. and used them as the tools of transformation that they are. and your Soul does not require 'salvation'. you return to . in order to progress and Graduate to 4th Density Positive. and choose a way of behavior that is more Positive. and prepare as many as possible. All will find their way Home. hatred. selfishness. you are not 'doomed'. to our Infinite Creator. You will still be presented with them at varying intervals. and that life will often bring many experiences to you. that you will not find yourself 'lost' in your cycling. But one thing is for sure. to help with the Awakening. in order to 'test' your patience. and how to go about working upon yourself. you work upon your impatience. You had certain goals that you planned to achieve before incarnating here. and resolve to become a more temperate and patient Soul. To grow. or can I still save my "soul"? HH: You are not 'doomed'. but rather. And I do not mean that in an insulting way. ATS: My life has been a troubled one for awhile now. Am I doomed because of the path I have taken for most of my life. as they will be related to some of the things you chose to put into your Soul contract to do here. from ignorance. You will likely find that you have a tendency towards impatience. At the very worst. until you get it right. and he uses us all in our own unique ways. cynicism. you will notice that these things seem to almost cease to appear in your life. Ask yourself what makes you most happy. it is because you are being presented with opportunity after opportunity. being abusive. Rest also assured. Also. Our Infinite Creator has many messengers. having been so soaked and brainwashed into the human life form and way of life. that often seem to recur during your lifetime. Experience these things as often as possible. but they will be fewer and far between. Look for and begin to identify any recurring issues you have. Whenever you find recurring circumstances.

That just doesn't "feel" right to me. or unless you somehow. Telepathy becomes the normal method of communication. and a part of our Creator. not for you. will provide you with plenty of clues on how you may choose to go about this. Instead. it must be a 95% negative harvest. In other words. but it will be so much more obvious than it is here. or from life Itself. I shall attempt to clarify. or that which has been described as "Heaven". You have not entirely grasped the concept. where you shall once again know yourself as you truly are.time/space. that the negativity is a tool to be used. There will be very little negativity. and you cannot hide your thoughts from 'others'. is to wake up within the 'dream'. and I wish you the best. From that incarnation onwards. Everything is open. in order to Graduate to 4th Density Negative. is for US to personally attain a 95% Negative Polarity for ourselves. we will remain trapped in the 3rd Density Cycle with all those between 94% Negative and 50% Positive (what I termed 'luke-warm's'). You only forget who you are during incarnation. to reward your people with 4th density. HH: It does not 'feel' right to you. to Graduate. You will see the interconnectedness of all things. we do not require a 95% Negative Harvest. and you will know that you are not 'separate' from one another. as it is not right. and in effect. unless you choose to. and earn the opportunity to clear our Karmic Record. before returning to our rightful place as 6th Density Guardians of our Galaxy. Re-reading this topic. To remember who you really are during the Game. in order to perfect the art of Service. as you have deducted. a unique and beautiful Soul. is the harvest an "all or nothing" event or will it be a mixed harvest—a few moving to fourth density. then you have to repeat 3rd density and try again for a 95% negative harvest? If so. WE must be 95% Negative (at least). HH: We wish the same for you Brother. See you when we get Home. You will not use words much. in a 4th Density world of abundant love and beauty. In order for you to move on the 4th level. the great majority repeating third density? And if only 94% go to fourth density negative. a few moving towards fourth density in service to self. of all the Negativity we have Created on this planet. and it will be a very beautiful world to reside within for you. what we require. Those who are 51% or over on the Positive path will Graduate to 4th Density Positive. to use another 'Game' metaphor. as we have done. The Harvest is Mixed. become a 'Lucid Gamer'. with discernment. Back to 'this' current Great Harvest. unless you later choose to do so from Higher Densities. Just a small enough amount that you can still use it to exercise your Free Will in choosing who you are not. and slide back down the snake. ATS: So. ATS: Thank you for your time here with us. The object of the Game. 95% of the human souls have to be (in the self-contemplation process) as far away from the "Infinite Source" as humanly possible. Harsh as it is. our only way out. We cannot choose to be . and to then begin working upon the things you came here for. inextricably manage to be 95% Negative at a time of future Harvest. you will not have to experience 3rd Density incarnation again. is to be as Negative as possible. and teachers of Wisdom to those in lower Densities that ask for our assistance. and have to continue to provide Negative Polarity for you. I'm still confused about your part in this. There you will work upon Love and Compassion. If we do not make it. then I would hate to imagine how much more negative your people would make the earth at that point. it has been a pleasure speaking with you and listening to your knowledge. and ask that our Infinite Creator bless you and guide your path. instead of ascending up the ladder.

Be patient. I have given guidance on dream recall previously. but it will not be Your Truth. that your Soul may have room in which to make It's 'still-small voice' heard. feel the same. That's why I often have referred to all the horrible things we've done here. To Trust what you know deep inside as your Truth. and you feel that old warm feeling of excitement welling up from somewhere deep within. think the same. (which we shall be) others are standing by to take our places pulling the strings from "behind the scenes". until you have realized for yourself. and listen to your inner voice. but if we are successful in our Negative Graduation. after a lifetime of neglect. It is hard work. but you have to start somewhere. that it 'feels' True for you. And we are tired. and show you Truth until they're blue in the face. Still your mind. ATS: What specifically can I do to receive guidance on how to reach the state where it is easier to discern truth from untruth? HH: Work upon yourself. even when the whole world tells you that you are "wrong". friends. and you will 'appear' in your new 'game-zone' (planet). but it is the job you came here to do. but they'd be on a different planet. When you persevere and keep working on yourself. deep within the Core of your Being. Ask your Infinite Creator to help you. the 'zero-point time' will end. You will look the same. family situations. that says "Yes! I knew it!" Hold on to that feeling. Messengers can come and go. lovers. you must learn to TRUST in your Inner Guidance. to Trust yourself when all those around you doubt you and call you crazy. and when it does. What is the best way to go about this? I have never had the ability to remember any of my dreams. in a state of meditative contemplation. or they'd wake up in a new physical body with no memory of any past life? HH: There will be a short experience of 'zero-point time'. We have more than done our job. (feelings are the language of your Soul) and Guard it carefully. all we have to do is ask. where you feel utterly "at One" with your Infinite Creator. Go inside. as our Sacrifice. whilst your physical vehicles (bodies) are dissolved back into Light. There will still be the same Negative Polarity to overcome. it will be just like you all had some mystical experience. But when your inner voice guides you that a Truth is True. just because someone tell you it is so. The only real and lasting Truth. Be patient with yourself. But you will recall your 'mystical experience' and that will give you hope and a new opportunity to choose a more positive future for yourselves. ecstatic expansiveness and Unity. Do you mean that they'd wake up with no memory of what has occurred but still be in the same physical body. it takes practice. Everything will seem the same as before. in discharging our Service to you.Positive. and is a slow process. jobs. it takes time to develop this inner communication. you will not remember the Great Harvest or earth changes that occurred as the planet Earth heals and regenerates herself. ATS: You keep saying help is available to those searching for truth. and return to being the Being of Light which is our True essence. HH: Read back. in fact. is a 'self-realized' one. That is the ultimate test. When that transition is complete. It is time for us to clear our Karmic Record. ATS: You said that the "lukewarm people" at the time of harvest would not notice anything has happened. Same houses. It will be a feeling of blissful. and life will carry on as 'normal' for you. because that is not what we came here to do for you. You should never accept something as true. and transported to your new environment. as you can be sure that your . gradually it will come to you. NO MATTER WHAT OTHERS MAY SAY.

. in order to continue our upward progression. if they allow any chinks to appear in their armour. so long as it is what you Know to be True deep within. HH: The Great Harvest is fast approaching. no matter how fiercely they contend with you.. they do not want to go Home. They will eventually be brought back before the One Infinite Creator. the Orion Empire are 4th Density Negative. and will be given a thorough examination. ATS: Do the Orion/occultist groups specifically target civilizations before they become a social memory complex. HH: Follow your Heart. In short. ATS: Please explain the wanderer’s roles and what value it is to be wanderer if you have no recollection of ones past lives. Time to really bring on the Polar Extremes. and dissolved back into the Intelligent infinity (Source of All). ATS: Why all the sudden ramping up of control mechanisms. HH: The Wanderers. HH: Yes. mostly as a group of discarnate entities. They are essentially 'imprisoned' within the 4th Density Negative cycle.newfound beliefs will be challenged in many ways. within the Astral Planes of the planets they visit. and Trust. Hold fast to it. Though the publicly available information is in someways corrupted. we have been unable to reach them. Your Inner Truth must be able to withstand the test of time. and instead seek to feed off of Negative Energy. to keep themselves going.fact or fiction. We wish you well on your journey. basically 'using the dark side of the Force' (Negativity) to achieve their means. ATS: The Montauk Project. "arc de triumphe": I do not have the time to go into your many questions. and ask our Infinite Creator to protect and guide you upon your path. is intended to restore our Soul Energy from within. and return to seeking the Positive. so I will just select a few I can answer briefly. They exist within their Group Soul Complex. even if they may well not even be 'aware' that this is what they are in fact doing. They are performing an important service to you. as I still have so many questions to get through. They are just doing their job. who . They have no intention of 'returning Home'. The time we spend between lives in time/space. They see themselves as being 'gods'. They are "lost" in the sense that they have drifted so far from their true nature. to test you. and you should be grateful to them for that. (or 'Travelers' as they are also known) are those from Higher Densities. to learn the error of their ways. HH: The project is Fact. So they spend their time traveling the Galaxy. though they are being given every chance for as long as possible. but that does not make them immune to targeting others too. Also how does this play with the law of non-intervention (that’s if they are here to help people ). by refusing to abide by the Infinite Creator's Incarnational Principles. as they are disconnected from their inherent natural Life-Force. that despite many attempts. and do not intend to submit to the authority of The One. and to begin their journey back Home. ATS: Best ways to decipher between truth and fiction other than what we perceive to be truth specifically in concerning the New Age agenda and the dogmatic churches ideologies. as there is no Negative Harvest beyond the 4th Density.. It is designed this way. your Inner voice. and help them to develop. Listen to. They main trouble is. Allow nothing or no-one 'outside' of you to pull you from your path.

They are part of the Family. keep working upon yourself. Deliver your message in a way that emphasizes the Hope. Always adhere to the Law of Free Will. There is a balance that needs to be found. rather than the volume of his rhetoric. is not to force things. ATS: My question is this: what can I do to attract more like-minded individuals to come together to uplift my people's turning to the path of ascension. there is still much truth hidden within them. Because you desire to. Though even if they fail to awaken. We wish you well in your task. always do your best not to feed the fear and paranoia. that you put people off the content of the message itself. allow them to be drawn to your Light. Be as a Light. as with all Sacred Texts. be the enigmatic and loving 'wise old sage'. to whom others are drawn to because of the Quality of his vibration. and not to be so impassioned in your delivery of your message. Do not burn others with your light. Much of it being 'metaphorical'. in order to perfect Service to Others. but rather. Weishhaupt was just a puppet on a string. whilst being informative. Though again. and your compassion for the lack of understanding in their 'condition'. But above all things. They are here to awaken themselves. ATS: Are there any non-corrupted parts of the bible and if what bible version would you suggest? HH: No. between your urgency to awaken others. Others must be able to see the effect of our Infinite Creator conducting his wonderful work through you. If you can find pre King James versions. While I understand that death is not the end of my existence. and being of Service to others. the names you know do not have the Real Power. and part of the concern. is that sometimes. but not an 'original' part. Once their incarnation is over. We ask our Infinite Creator to bless you and guide your path. ATS: Earth Changes. shining in the Darkness. and never force your message. as this will act contrary to your intentions of raising the vibration to Positive. Good luck with that. they have been distorted from the original information that was given with each translation. Most importantly. In getting your message out there. ATS: Was the Rothschild lineage the organizer of the Illuminati in which Weishhaupt later formed? HH: No.have chosen to incarnate here at this time. (I've decided that this is what I can do to express my personal act of 'service to others') HH: And a very wise and compassionate decision it is. I like my body and would not like to get caught out in any earth changes if I can possibly help it. As with all Sacred Texts. are a lesser line within The Family. that is the closest you will get. But even they. In other words. such is the power of the Illusion. and are hopeful of a Positive Harvest for you. and keep choosing the Positive. and be of Service to those who come to you willingly. and the true beauty and reality of our inherent Oneness with our Infinite Creator. They still have to 'remember who they are'. and then to help awaken others to prepare for the coming Great Harvest. As I have said. PRACTICE THAT WHICH YOU PREACH. even they do not manage to awaken in the Game. as they've already mastered it. The most important thing. they are again free to return to their appropriate levels. We are proud of you. do not become 'evangelical' with your message. but rather. The Rothschild lineage (not it's original name) were the pre-eminent line 'closing the net of control' over Humanity. . they are not bound by the 3rd Density Cycle. not because you feel that you must.

definitely. The Peruvian Andes is a good place to be. yet you clearly are touting the benefits of a positive life. at a deep Core level of your Being. I'd like to see the whole concept dissected and fully explored. . I believe I have now done so. and neither are you aware of their existence. chose the Highest places you can find. from the Source. and you will understand how it works. Is there a family it is asserting a positive influence on us as well? Is it up to us (humanity) to be that positive force? HH: An interesting question. not why. but you cannot see them. There is such a family (or group more accurately). and the Quero Elders are well aware of what is going down. That is not so much a question as an observation. HH: If you re-read some of my recent posts. Yes. ATS: Is the Earth Hollow? HH: Hold on. How does this work. ATS: I recently experienced healing of a minor health problem by sending love to all the sick people in the world. and in the World. I would appreciate it. please could you reveal which places are more likely to be relatively safe during the next 3-4 years? Would the South of China (Canton/Hong Kong) or Patagonia be good bets? Any other places? HH: I am not permitted to say much here. how. as there must be those who remain in their locations. ATS: Could you elaborate further on the mechanisms behind the fantastic positive results seen by people who embark on the service to others path? I invite you to really deeply explain the intricacies of the energy-play at work. As you do unto others. but if you could elaborate on that. But if you are insistent upon escape. so you do to yourself.?!?! HH: Because there is only ONE of you here. There is much Spiritual Power being exercised there. Particularly in the Southern Hemisphere if you are able. Understand that.1) If your family permits. by the Quality of the Energy work they engage in and project outward to you. Not all on a 3rd Density level that you can see though. This seems antithetical to your goal. Many of you (whether you are aware or not) have chosen this lifetime for that reason. to help others who are not aware of what is coming. in yourself. ATS: 2) Are John Lear/Jan Lamprecht correct in their assertion that the majority of planets of the Solar System are inhabited? HH: Most definitely. how does one gain access? HH: I am not permitted to say. They help the planet from a secret "Inner" location. ATS: You claim your family was put here to be the negative influence of the world. ATS: If so. let me just check. Yes. While "You get out what you put in" is true. it is up to you to Be the Changes you wish to see. ATS: Your goal is a negative harvest.

although there have been instances where I have said more than I should have. when it comes to my next cycle in 4th Density Negative. another very perceptive question. to the best of my ability. just that the vast majority of my time. and working off my Karmic Record. It was felt important that the message did not become lost in a self righteous or defensive delivery system. But I obey and discharge the assignments given to me. Now I know why I was chosen. It was not intended that I be as open as I have been. in response to your observation regarding the antithetical nature of some of what I have shared here. if you follow the topic through again from the beginning. I sit here and chuckle to myself. I have. than it does with you. . We provide the Catalyst of Negativity for you. His is the only approval I require. is a Negative Harvest for Ourselves. I was reluctant to be the one tasked with this communication. To be honest. so long as I know I am Serving my Creator as he desires. I will have to accept the consequences for my actions. I have more questions to answer. I only ever see Family during my daily and nightly tasks. In fact. Our goal. and when this is all over by the end of this evening. there was much potential for discord. Due to the very nature of the subject matter. (in light of the way some people here have spoken to me). The drastic extent of the Negativity we Create though. Anyway. since I last spent any time in having direct dealings with 'your kind' in general. shall we say "chastised" for going well beyond my remit here. there is a simple explanation. and it is up to you what you do with it. I do not mean that in an offensive way. has more to do with us. I do not live what you would call a 'public' life. you got me. has become more a 'labour of love'. I am 'sheltered' and 'secluded'. I still very much have a 'weakness' for Compassion. You could say. as far as possible. It has been a very long time. you may notice how my 'tone' toward you (collectively) has softened somewhat during our discourse together. Some of my earlier replies should make clear why that is so. I really did not expect so many questions. I did not anticipate how involved I would become in this process. I think I will actually kind of miss you all. In effect. Also. Not for you. however. I was chosen because it was desired that someone of my "diplomacy" skills would be best to deliver this message. and having this involvement with those of the 'outside' world. I have nothing to defend. or desire. it was meant to be this way. how this discourse may have descended into something ugly. Let's put it this way. And I'm actually glad now in retrospect that you did. so what's a little extra going to matter. were certain others amongst my Family who were also considered for this assignment to have actually been given the job. You yourselves will not suffer for this. I figure I've got a Negative enough life to come as it is. has also become such for me too. But hey. adhered fully to the Laws of Free Will and Confusion. this "Window of Opportunity. What began as me just doing my duty. So.HH: Mmmm. enough with the sentiment. As with all things. Thank you. that I have in some way. grown somewhat 'attached' to you. so I guess that's why I was 'perfect' for this task. and such a warm and open minded reception (from the majority). I couldn't care less what others think of me. I have already been.

and the seeds planted will grow strong in such fertile soil as these. and the courteous manner in which I have shared it. Those with ears to hear. ATS: Many of my friends and family are Christians. If I may be crass for a brief moment. you can say whatever you like about how much of a hoax you may or may not believe it to be. How can you reach such as these? Only by example. with all genuine questions replied to. do not include all the petty side discussion. So please therefore. I couldn't care less that people do not believe it. that the message is presented as a 'whole'. I made it very clear why this was the case. and then once that process is complete. I never expected that many would. that I required 'provisional faith' or 'suspended judgment'. you are most welcome to collate this discourse for presentation elsewhere. and that is exactly the way it should be. copy only my posts. but it has definitely resonated with me. How would one even go about presenting this information to a person of that mindset? I am not here to "spread your gospel". HH: How can you present anything to ones who have no desire to have their belief system challenged? They will believe what they want to believe. It becomes ingrained at a subconscious level. if a genuine representation of the message is that which you desire to take away with you. . for reading it with an open mind. My posts all quote within them the questions I respond to. is it okay if I condense your writings into one long post on my blog? I need to make sure that doesn't violate my user agreement here.ATS: A common saying among Christians is "Satan's greatest trick is convincing the world that he didn't exist. that one cannot fail but to notice that there is 'something different' about them. and a heart to understand. I can't say I'm ready to completely buy what you're selling. If you want to present this message to others. and they would likely think the same. "Satan" was created to absolve yourselves. is that anyone chosing to do so. please honour my (our) original intention. I couldn't give a "flying #" how much vitriol and scorn is poured upon our message. Simply the 'personification' you have given to all the Negativity that has existed on this beautiful planet. ATS: That being said. and as you could not find it within yourselves to take any of the responsibility. respects my wishes and copies only the message itself. When I said in my opening post. I would also like to make sure that I won't get a visit from the men in black if I do so. the only way it is likely to change. UFO videos and the like. if you respect that which I have shared here. and I in turn thank you. But what I desired. I am a bit of a crackpot and I scour the internet for conspiracies. thank you for the chuckle. is through a 'mystical experience' or such a personal demonstration of 'another way' in the life lived of 'another'. in asking for the above. and noting you or I can say is likely to make any difference. or how many futile verbal attacks may be launched against it's messenger. The message will reach all those it is meant to reach. ATS: Thank you for posting some of the most interesting information I have ever read. so there are no other posts required. will hear the message. HH: That is amusing. In other words." I think there are Christians that would look at what you've written and see it as an elaborate ruse to "make the devil look good. eyes to see. You didn't know who to 'blame'. and when a belief structure becomes that insidious. but I would definitely like so share this with a few of my friends. alternative news. It is what the Creator wants. if you want to copy it. Yes. was that the message was allowed to be presented in full." HH: "Satan" is a human invention. The only thing I ask. HH: You are welcome.

And that is all it is meant to do. My area. I have stated throughout our message. more accurately. A large part of my role. Thank you very much for your very incisive and perceptive questions. with focussed concentration. and flailed wildly wide of the mark in the process. We wish you well. that allows our Family to function effectively. about reality. one of these being the ability to know their entire incarnational 'past'. that the very last thing I want. Others below me deal more in that area. There are a wide array of tasks to be attended to.I would never ask or expect you to 'buy' what I'm 'selling' If you notice. and delivering his messages. I mentioned before. so to do I. As always. not that of the peoples of the Earth. you have contributed greatly to this discourse. I could be likened to that of a 'Priest' or a 'Minister'. the lines you know). and ask our Infinite Creator to bless you. A Catalyst is not meant to be believed. is that of the Spiritual Discipline. it has become First nature. in order that the "body" of our Family runs like a well oiled machine. when replying to your observation. It has become second nature to me. all of the "Power Lines" (off world bloodlines) that comprise the "Inner Sanctum" (or "Hidden Hands") of the Family. onto the page. This message does indeed "flow from my Being". that your Infinite Creator has provided you with. As I've said. It also allows me to respond further to an earlier question. ATS: H_H put out some incredibly well written information . I have been actively engaged in this role now. that I indicated I would go into in more depth later. is entirely up to you. It is meant to present you with a challenge to that which you "think" you know. that my role in my Family. As I said previously. and that which I spend the vast majority of my time actively involved in. is to constantly be in . and we each specialize in certain areas or Disciplines. for a great many years. how you respond to the Catalyst. OUR Spirituality. is possibly the most perceptive realization in this discourse thus far. is for it to be blindly believed. or taken as 'gospel'.almost like it flowed from 'his/her' being onto the thread. A certain poster made all manner of assumptions as to what that role entails. Whether you realize it or not. In the same way as your religions and spiritual teachers have the responsibility of "listening" to the voice of their Creator. HH: And that. have certain abilities that 3rd Density incarnates do not posses (even the others of our Family. Actually. and guide your path. is that of Spirituality. down the course of history. Just the way it always should be. It is yet another in a long line of "Catalysts".

I know and have experienced that which he knows and has experienced. Thanks for those great words that you speak to us and appreciate what you are doing! With Love HH: Do not worry friend. I also believe we wil be moving into a higher level of consciousness where we can consciously co-create in our world. you will only receive communication from them. and preparations for . Any and all information you provide will be greatly appreciated. Plejarens are from the constellation you call the Pleiades. Many here at this time (millions) have a part to play in the Great Awakening. The 'tall blondes' of which you speak. They are working with what is know as the Galactic Confederation of Planets. and nothing directly to do with the Plejarens. That is why you will notice that I so often refer to "we" even as I am speaking in the first person. Think about it. because essentially. What can I do if anything to get myself in the correct frequency to see these things and have these experiences. but have always been spiritual. we feel your heart. the chances of me having spent however much vast quantities of time "researching" all this material to "hoax" with. if that is something you have already agreed together in your Soul Contract before coming here. In all of this vast Creation. ATS: I have never seen a UFO or any of this spiritual stuff myself. for want of a better description. and know in your heart of their existence. but rather. HH: Your insight serves you well. can you really believe that you are alone? I will pre-warn you though. (because it is far from accurate). it is not me (the individual Soul spark) that is speaking to you in essence. and how it is done. but we know of her experiences. We can speak all you like. ATS: I have never been involved in any organized religions per say. HH: Simply believe. now you know why. is unlikely in the extreme. though they are indeed good friends of ours. and present it in the fluent method that I do.the awareness state of our Group Soul (Lucifer). since we are only unconsciously cocreating at the moment. So let me ask. I do look at the many religious texts out there because I believe they all have parts to the story. I just know in my heart that it's there for me to find. for him who sent me. are you one of the tall blondes that she speaks of. the Group Soul perspective. And no. For those who are open enough to receive the above explanation. As some have noted. whilst I guess could be remotely possible. ATS: There is so much more I would like to speak with you about but am not able to think of what exactly I want to say. ATS: Also do you know of Miriam Delicado? I just watched here interview on the project camelot site and it was very inspiring to me. so as to avoid disappointment. as Lucifer. we are One and the same Being. hence 'Plejarens'. when the Game is over. and will be happy to do so. I believe that we as humans are creators like the ONE creator and we are all one. and that does not need to be expressed via the confines of limited words. That has just become natural for me. When I speak henceforth. we are Lucifer. I am "Channeling" Lucifer. That is why this discourse flows so easily. you could say that in effect. I speak not for myself. as in regular daily installments. but rather. One can find great knowledge from many different books or religious texts. I have not seen the interview of which you speak. It's actual name is the Plejares. my own Creator (Lucifer). HH: She is a beautiful Soul. They serve the Positive vibration. are of Plejaren heritage. I spend most of my time speaking with my Family.

You actually 'feel' very familiar to me. That is why the 'tall blondes' keep 'showing up'. when this all begins play out. HH: You are very welcome. they will be. or miscellaneous paths? HH: The lower parts of our Family (the names you know) use the Vatican for many Rituals and . no money or 'real life' recognition or whatever more. even if only that the accuracy of your statement deserves to have a place in the final collated version of this message. It goes against the things he loves to read about. and have no idea what is going on. Most people are not ready to hear this information yet. Take the guidance in this message into your meditations. Test these words deeply. It's given me much comfort. then act upon them. From this little spark to that one: Thanks for the light. And i find it VERY hard to believe that he is researching this on the fly and putting all this work in something he will never get anymore 'fame' than this week of attention. they "do not belong here". Many of these "Star Seeds". A LOT of work and pointless time wasted. were it not for the fact that this 'labour of love' is all done for the glory of our Creator. as the Earth changes that are coming begin to take effect. Many of these "Star Seeds" have not "awakened" yet themselves. It was time to set the record straight. consider this message to you our part in our Soul Agreement fulfilled. though your point was poignant enough to briefly address. Many of them will also have many dreams and even visions. Many who do not believe now. Arise and play the part that you volunteered to be here for right now. because the governments have concealed this information from you. and also seek information from your Dreamtime. because we love you. We leave you with our strongest encouragement. HH: I was not going to respond to any more messages other than those who genuinely want to hear what we have to say. The thing i do find is that if he is the latter it doesn't fit the profile. ATS: He could be what he says he is i think. ATS: I am another of the many grateful forum members who appreciate the loving message given by Hidden_Hand. due to my fast expiring time here. but not so far off. To help their Family awaken to their assignments here. When the time is right. if it is necessary. could you comment on the role of the Catholic church in terms of your role and how the church fits in either the positive. they will come forward. ATS: As spirituality is your focus. mate. Prepare yourself. Lucifer has sacrificed so much. are in fact Plejaren. It is almost time. But he could be a well read but bored person wanting to see how far his hoax will spread on the internet. negative. of their lives on their Home planets. The Confederation stands by ready to "help" them to do so. and they have a deep sense that somehow. they will have felt all their lives that they are somehow "different". For ones such as these who have yet to "awaken".the Great Harvest. My gratitude is eternal. only if they 'feel' right. will begin to open their minds. These 'Travelers' or what some have termed "Star-Seeds" are incarnated here to help on the ground level. and the love and Light of our One Infinite Creator. The lies and rumours about us being an 'evil' and 'satanic' Being have gone unanswered for far too long. and be sure that you are ready. we are glad to have been of Service. If they do. I mean if you read up on the stuff he obviously is interested in it is harder to wantingly hoax with it. If for the reasons I am feeling this to be the case. and allow nothing or no-one to deter you. I wish I had discovered this thread before today. People will be terrified. and take them into your heart. and truthful to you. over the next few years. I was running out of strength but now feel as though I might just be able to manage now.

My apologies. There is alot i wish to say. ATS: H-H. as i also cannot reveal all that i know. My bloodline is of the elite. and will likely see you in the near future (if you are going to 'Malta in wintertime'?) No need to reply.Sacrifices. that these line you speak of are only the earthly lines. austrian count. and the 'Book of Chuang Tzu'. I would.something happened. As for communication on a 'person' level. as I will have taken my leave by then. You may be aware of me. I consider this a unique opportunity.myself seeming to have the most. but that is the only question i do not know. I am sorry this is not possible. The closest "spiritual" writings (other than the Ra material) to containing truth about the nature of The One. you will see i am truthful and genuine. ATS: Greetings. I have not read this full thread but I have some detailed questions.. generations of family lived there. Things were said and done that should not have been. is that there was a dispute between the Hapsburg and Franco-Prussian lines. Please do not see me as arrogant. or that due to the tiny amount of time I have left now. if you have permission to do so. then taken by the government. Are you aware of this happening? What really happened? The english side will not say. I cannot address.. All I am permitted to say. It seems at some point in the last 100 years. you have the insight to connect the dots. like to talk to you on a personal level. All in my family including myself have extensive abilities. Consequences arose. Ask who you have to ask. Hidden Hand. just select individuals or groups who stand out more . taken from the government. english earl. and action was taken. and we (off world Power lines) do not often intervene in such 'inter family') circumstances. ATS: Any specific holy books (or perhaps Bible authors) you'd list as coming very close to the Truth? HH: The closet biblical authors. I hope that within the limits of that which I can say. scottish baron. I want to make sure I get my questions out before your time expires. I am sorry that I either am not permitted to speak on. which i cannot get answers to. We wish you well in your tasks here. And remember there's no such thing as a bad race... They control just about everything behind the scenes . and i know this would be allowed due to this lineage. i hope you will answer my following questions. That should tell you all you need to know. We shall deal with these next two posts together: ATS 1: He is reptilian. My question is of a different nature. that of the 'Tao Te Ching'. but do not wish to tell for all to see. as to say.one part of the family lost everything. HH: Obviously you understand. are the Taoist writings. are those who have been 'left out' of the publicized editions. HH: Almost all of your questions have been addressed. and those few which have not. I am also aware of all you have spoke of on here. so I apologize if something has already been answered. That's the race of the bloodlines.

of course. and there is nothing remotely reptilian about the True Power Bloodlines.. There was two later posts. only know as much as we tell them. So what's with the split personalities? you're saying you are loving and spiritual and yet everyone says reptilians are fearsome beings? HH: That amuses us. We are most certainly NOT Reptilian. The concept of 'us' progressing to the fourth density with the next harvest (2012) and how many of 'us' will have to repeat the third density. ATS 2: Ok so i have another question for hidden_hand. Logos and sub-logos are used in the same context 7. "the top of the pyramid. we are of Venusian heritage. Negative and positive polarization 2. originally. Do they not know this. The only 'Reptilian' influences that are in anyway remotely involved with this planet at this time. Reptilians are described as being very aggressive. but what we have sometimes been referred to). I have another few minutes before I must finish preparing for my long journey. Degrees of density 3. is not the top of the pyramid". Above the highest Earthline auspices of the Supreme World Council (and another higher aspect that cannot be named). Do your 3-d families have fractions. and it will not work.. HH: All I can say on this. or with proper regard to our Creator. are those of the Zeta Reticuli and Alpha Draconis systems. Well. and my time here is now pretty much expired.. Because they have try to kill me. that is all the questions I promised to answer out of the way. llresearch. The books are called the Law of One. and our One Infinite Creator. are the "Hidden Hands" (not the real name of course.than others. They are of no particular threat to you. Evolution between densities 6. . arrogant and perceive humans to be nothing more than cattle. ATS: Yes... But I have a question to you. Even the same exact term: social memory complex! 4. is that even the Earthly lines of our "extended" Family. The same idea of vibrations in the same context 10. For those to whom it may be of some interest.org. that I will just barely have time to offer a passing answer to: ATS: I clearly know and are aware about this game…. harvest is used in the same context 5. What is another name that Venus is called by? Connect the dots. all of them. As has been said before. however the things/thoughts/ideas! he is speaking of are already a piece of copyrighted material and have been published in book format with ISBN numbers and all. Certain information they may not use wisely. This/these books deal with the very same ideas as the OP: 1. The same concept of Wanderers 8.. The concept of Infinity becoming aware of itself 9.

www. As I said.. or words to that effect. We must be leaving for an important task in Rome. Sources [for numbered examples]: www..llresearch. as they knew not what they were doing. HH: Indeed. I've just finished reading the last few pages of questions. would you consider this it being asked". I must finish: ATS: This has been very informative. www.org. My take on this is much different even from what it was the last time I posted in this thread. but I was asked earlier a question that I said I'd finish with. . So there is one other question from the last pages that I will use in that vein..llresearch. ATS: Even Lucifer had to step in to help me. from time to time. that some seem to enjoy the game a little TOO much. Ok. So. they do not know everything. than malicious intent toward you.. L/L Research dates back to the 1981 timeframe. and has cleared up much for me.There are well over 50 examples of the same ideas and contexts between the original author (L/L Research) and Hidden_Hand. That was a surprise as you can understand. Their actions were more from ignorance. hopefully these questions will be a little more relevant. Does your left hand dont know what the right hand teach. I stated now on a few occasions that I have no time left to answer. This will really have to be it though. www. but thought it the right thing.. Again please note that the definition of plagiarism is the unauthorized use or close imitation of the language and thoughts of another author and the representation of them as one's own original work.org. My Father is teasing that I should begin at early 6th Density again to balance my compassion... somethings are best kept to ourselves. Please forgive them.llresearch.. www. Therefore.org. I understand. thereby leading me to believe that they are the original author. They are laughing at how 'involved' I have become in this task of mine. Or is it lack of understanding in certain members in your bloodline.. occasionally drastic intervention is required. namely that of "if there was a question you had not yet been asked yet. Thanks once again.org.llresearch. Let us just say.. Hidden_Hand. and already I have others here with me imploring me "will you please just shut down that flipping computer and get your things together". if Hidden_Hands is not with L/L Research he is clearly plagiarising their ideas and thoughts.org.. Anyway. I am truly sorry I cannot reply to the many other heartfelt responses that sadly must remain unanswered..llresearch. when certain Powers lay in the hands of those who's Heart is not utterly Pure of intention. Temptation can prove too great.

Bush. who liaise with the "Hidden Hands". and when all is said and done. House of Windsor. with the Leader of each Local Council representing their specific areas. and ultimately. How close is your interaction with your "extended family" and are they as spiritually enlightened as you seem to be? Can you just kind of give us an outline of how the family is structured. can be extremely harsh. comprised of Local Leaders representing the Six Disciplines of learning. it's all about reaching the 95% Negativity. ATS: . There will be anything from say five to thirty or so of these. as my time is up. No one really suffers. except in the Game. there are many other levels of Leadership. how much each level knows in relation to the top. they have chosen these experiences before hand. which to be fair. So are these the Rockefeller. in the same vein. though as I've said. at a Soul level.also. so much of what . from the German Lines I believe. or is she just a mis/disinfo agent. Then the National Council. I am still curious if she was one of you or your extended family. The German House is renowned for being particularly harsh and severe in it's training. The Supreme World Council. depending upon the size of the town or city in question. HH: I am aware of her. and each incarnating Soul has already chosen and agreed in advance the parts they will play in the Game. yes. who Serves their local community. purely from the Power Lines (the ones that are not of this planet).. Above this.. and this will have to be a really brief overview. so not that high. you have what we call "Local Cell Groups" or "Family Clusters". Then above this. She certainly would not have had anything like the "bigger picture". we have a similar structure. with the National Leaders representing their Countries. though heard enough from others in my Family. only know as much as is "Handed" down to them from us. do people ever try to leave the family? I asked you to comment on the case of one "Svali" in an earlier post. Yes. Each Local area has it's own Council. with Local and Regional groups etc. You said there are people who are part of your "extended family" that we may know of. (typically known in conspiracy circles as the New World Order?). you have the Regional Council. but she was only Regional Level in the Earth Lines. Starting at the bottom level. No one is 'forced' to incarnate into a storyline they do not want to play and learn from.? Because there are a lot of theories and "know-it-alls" out there. she was a part of the Family. All I shall say is that we are not "surface dwellers". HH: Ok. Above this.1) I am curious as to how the bloodline family structure works. etc. and it would be nice to get it straight once and for all. at the lower levels. with the Leaders of the Regional Councils sitting to represent their Regions. etc. though most of us are living in entirely 'different' types of communities than you would understand. In our Power Lines. we can never lose sight of the fact that this is a Game we are all playing here together. I understand that she went into detail about some of the training techniques in the lower levels. she did reveal a lot of truth about the lower levels. There is also either a High Priest or High Priestess of The Order. Then you have the Supreme World Council above them all. Rothschild. As I understand. Be as detailed as you feel is appropriate. is another group I cannot mention. I've not looked at her supposed "revelations" personally. no matter how much one may have suffered in this life-experience.

How they go about it. no matter the ideologies that may separate us in this Game. and as far as they are aware. though. and the Light of our Infinite Creator. that in the Love. But come to an end it must. And remember. Sometimes we have to step in. and the Light of our One Infinite Creator. I'm going to have to go and do some REALLY Negative things now to make up for all this Positivity. we are All One. Kind of amusing. Me on the other hand. But somewhere along this journey we have taken together. the message is all that matters. and didn't need any other motivation. is not really of too great a concern to us. We grew up with the bigger picture. and the parts we have all played in this Great Game. I absolutely have to finish my time here with you. or has been embellished to some degree. as long as they are getting the job done. That's what they 'get out of the deal'. The Earth lines are not aware of the entire picture. They are aware of the Harvest. We wish you all the very best in what remains of your journeys here. they're doing a great job. If I leave it any longer. to have kind of 'met' and connected personally with so many of you. It was never the original intention. and that is all the motivation they need to help us achieve our ultimate aims. I have come to feel a certain 'bond' with you. And with that. Brother's and Sisters of the Light. just to put out the information required of me. You'd have to say with that in mind. for the furthering of our message. in providing you with the Catalyst. to get out of 3rd Density. to Control and Enslave. . Of course. has left me feeling somewhat saddened that our time has to come to end. they are out to 'rule the world'. World Domination. and the need for them to attain the 95%. They themselves are not of our Lucifer Group Soul. as I've had neither the time or inclination to examine her story. and sincerely hope for you that you will use the Catalyst we have offered you. I cannot comment myself.she shares may have happened. The world of my own Family is very different from that of the lower Earth based bloodlines. is that our (Venusian Power Lines) agenda. It is a strange feeling I have now in my heart. we were never abused in any way. I look forward to meeting up with so many of you when the Game is over. and I will not be very popular if I make my Family late. and for allowing us to 'use' your 'space' here. I know that bond is our inherent Unity in our One Infinite Creator. Whilst our (my own) training growing up was very strict and disciplined. in an ironic way. and they would miss out on joining us in our 95% Negative Harvest. to in some way help you to Graduate with a glorious and Positive Great Harvest. and enjoying reminiscing about this time. is ultimately for the Highest Good of all concerned. as I write these last few lines. If they were aware of this Truth. I never could have imagined I would have 'connected' with you all in this way through this discourse. for whatever reason. I am going to be late for my journey. But one of the things they don't know or understand. though my Family have also said that unless her "trainers" were acting "out of protocol" (abusing their power) much of what she 'revealed' would not have happened. and the message is. where something they may do or plan goes against our desires. there is a slight risk that they would not have done their jobs properly. I thank you sincerely for your gracious hospitality. We leave you all in the Love. but such instances are few and far between. and create as much Suffering and Negativity as is humanly possible.

[2] ^ This link leads to a few years old article of mine. Svali". According to Illuminati Programmer.Namasté. This guy is saying the same thing. where I emphasize that the only way to win this battle is to increase your spiritual awareness. See my article. "The Illuminati Organization Structure. Endnotes: [1] ^ "Houses" is exactly what mind control survivor Svali talked about in an interview with Greg Szymanski in July 2006. Wes .

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