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Pete Peterson - Part 1 Bi Interview transcript

Erich von Dniken Wade Frazier Erich von Dniken Wade Frazier

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Dr. Pete Peterson - Part 1 - Bill Ryan Interior US, 29 June 2009

[Ed note: Normally the transcripts that had any parts in them that had been difficult for the transcribers in audibles in square brackets in red for Bill Ryan to attend to, fix, then hed post the transcript; howe unexpected interruptions in the normal working process in Project Camelot, this normal process was no forward, so the audibles were left in the square brackets.] Intro: Dr. PETE PETERSON (PP):

...Its an area thats very highly defendable. That was very important because of my belief, and the belief of many ot respect for, that the world is going through a... Ill call it a meltdown.

...Once the people found out what had done to them by their representatives, they felt that it would be much better fo somewhere else. ...My understanding, it was the third-ever closed session of Congress.

...We found that no matter where the politician was and what committee he was on, when top secret things were talk close the session early so they could get out and put their tips out to the news. We dont have any confidentiality in t BR: Am I right in assuming that you wouldnt contradict those leaks? PP: I wouldnt contradict them at all. BR: Thank you.

Beginning of Interview:

BILL RYAN (BR): This is Bill Ryan and Kerry Cassidy from Project Camelot and this is Monday, June the 29th, 20 Camelot interview with a difference because not only have I flown the best part of 8,000 miles at least it feels like from Europe to be here for the weekend, but we are also here with David Wilcock, who has also flown from Los An join us in a meeting that we had with Dr. Pete Peterson, whos a name that not many people will know, but may be extraordinary whistleblowers and contacts and researchers and scientists who we have had the great pleasure of talk most important.

Yesterday we were talking off-record for the best part of twelve hours and our minds are still digesting an enormous information that he shared with us, some of which is off-record. As much as possible, Pete is willing to put on record you feel, don't you, Pete, that there is a profound and important reason why the sort of people who will be watching it is that you have to say.

We want to salute you because you're a very brave man. One of the things we want to ask you straight off the cuff is you wanted to put some of your almost unbelievable and very important testimonies on camera for a lot of people to understand at this time? Why is it that you've come forward and you're talking to us now?

Dr. PETE PETERSON (PP): Well, I think the main reason for that is I've had an inside insight for many, many years various programs to do things for the government since I was 13 years old. Being a problem-solver, I wish I could sa so forth, but I come from a long line of inventors on both sides of my family tree, and people who graduated from sc significant in affecting things that affected humanity, a number of them, in virtually every kind of field and climate.

I see that the world seems to have gone downhill. I'm aware of many programs to remove intelligence from people a of this nation [America], to a mediocre status. We've watched the school systems deteriorate. We've watched the, as program in the school systems No child left with a mind. (That's her paraphrase for it.)

And I've seen that the type of government we have... though I'm a patriot and very crudely use the phrase that I got t cheeks of my fanny the hard way. I spent ten years in the Marine Corps and a great part of that was in combat and co did for the government. I like to think I'm unique in that I was probably shot at on most continents. Anyway, what I see happening is a complete turn away from the way this country started out and in its Constitution toward a socialistic system where reason and logic has no bearing.

It concerns me. I have no idea if my voice can help. I have no idea if that can, but I know that my ideas, I have ideas proven to be very helpful to society. Many of them have been suppressed by the fact that we had a government that than by the people. It's turned away from that, and many industries are actually governed by rules and regulations th impossible for them to exist if they do things that are good for humanity.

For example, we've had numerous things that have happened in the industry of alternative power that were very inex what we do is we've, through their own legislation, limited the power companies to being able to charge a certain am costs, so when their costs went down, their profit went down and they couldn't economically operate.

BR: What I would love to ask you about, Pete, before we go into some of the stories that you have to tell and we h that, having spent the best part of twelve hours yesterday talking about a tiny fraction of your experience, I think tha literally, for days what the people watching this video are really concerned about, I think, is what can you help the do at the moment about what's really happening on this planet at the moment? What are the agendas of the controlle in and what can people do?

And I want to put that question on hold because this is the purpose of this video as far as we're concerned.

There's a whole separate topic, which is a technological topic, because this man we're talking to now has told us abo know existed. My brain is still reeling over a conversation that we had at breakfast this morning about which I'm go

Now, before we start all of that and that was a wonderful overview that you gave about your intentions can you g timeline of your career history which started when you were very young? A little bit about the kind of things you've asking you to name names, but we just want to present you as somebody who people can get some kind of an idea o talking to whose name they haven't heard before.

PP: Well, I can do that. A very interesting thing we were talking about... I have no idea where these thoughts came to early on in life I was so different from the people around me that I thought that probably I fell from the sky in a titan grandfathers orchard and my parents found me there. BR: And I think you're probably right, actually, having talked to you for two days. [laughter] PP: Until I was about 22, I actually believed that. DAVID WILCOCK (DW): [touching Pete on the shoulder with his finger] He is real. He's solid.

PP: Then I quit believing that when I was in my mid-20s and in my last few years I'm nearly 70 and in my last fe believing that again. Because I find that the people I'm stuck with here on this little spaceship Earth don't seem to ha anything. It may be that I'm just wacky, but my wackiness has made a lot of products and made a lot of sense to a nu my life.

For some reason I... well, its probably genetics, because on both of my parents sides I have long lines of geniuses t grew up in a home that was entirely powered and heated and cooled, in a very temperate climate, was powered by th pressure change. It was a home that had a gallery inside of it, much like Mexican haciendas, but was covered, where products in the form of chickens and rabbits and such, and where we grew all of our food products. BR: So you had an interesting and unusual upbringing.

PP: I had an interesting and unusual upbringing. We drove in cars that my father made and invented. We lived in hom strange materials that were very highly insulated. My dad was a pioneer in tilt-up concrete buildings and was an eng youth through the Second World War. BR: And you were hand-picked and chosen for a special program when you were as young as 13. Is this correct?

PP: Yes, I distinguished myself at age 10 by building a number of rockets that held world altitude records, and by in even today to power solid-fuel rockets. That material got out of my hands because I'm not a businessman, and wasn' gave it away and other people capitalized on it. But I liked explosions, and so, early on, started building rockets.

BR: There's a wonderful story that you told us yesterday that we'd love to say again very briefly. I'm going to be usin questions here with an apology, because we know that you could talk with us, literally, for days about the extraordin the things that you know, the things you've been told, the things that you strongly believe with good reason. But one you to tell is what happened one day, when you were ten years old, with a bunch of adults, and you had an extraordi

PP: Well, I'll preface that just a little bit with the fact that, as I was growing up, it was in a very small country town a not a lot of people. My parents had a home that had a formal garden, and many of the local people would borrow tha reunions and things like that, which my parents gladly lent them the facilities. There was a wedding that went on and of in maybe June or July of 1950.

At that point I had very limited educational resources in this tiny town, but one of the books that got me very, very i and anthropology and archeology was the book that was written about the discovery of King Tut's tomb. About the t got me very, very excited to learn about the Egyptians, and learn about the technologies that they had, and who they Pyramids. A lecturer came to town, the man who wrote the book Kon-Tiki, Thor Heyerdahl. Then that got me excited an anthropologist-archaeologist and was dead set on it and reading everything I could get through the state library sy

Along came this wedding, and just about as the preacher was to say the words of destruction to the bride and groom sky and said: Whats that? And everyone turned around there were about 130 people there everyone turned arou next two hours everyone at the wedding watched a series and groups of what I can only call flying saucers flying thr as maybe 100 feet and some as far away as, maybe, 20 miles put on a spectacular show. Everyone there saw it, as surrounding community. DW: Were they all the same?

PP: No, there were very different ones. Some were the shape of a pencil and seemed to have windows along the peri a ball. Some were saucer-shaped with a bubble or a dome on top, some saucer-shaped with two or three bubbles on t and look through the various flying saucer sightings that weve heard about over the years, there was probably one o ever heard about. [laughs] These things would dash away clear out of sight and come back. They would run away fr party directly, so you were looking just at one spot... BR: And the significance of this is that, at this point, you made a major life change. Right?

PP: At this point I made a major life change. I decided I was much less interested in King Tut than I was in having m BR: Right.

PP: So immediately started studying science. Ive studied science ever since, much of it toward the end of building m the years I came to the conclusion that to build a flying saucer, you really needed to know first how to build what I c booth.

For those who dont know, Dr. Who was a British science fiction spoof that runs on many stations in America about thereve been something like six or seven different Dr. Whos over the years, its run so long. Dr. Who had a red Brit

BR: He didnt have a red British phone booth. He had a black police phone box. It was a police phone box. It wasn

PP: Ah. Okay, alright. He had a two-holer British phone booth and he would go into it and it would become a time m DW: It was called the TARDIS.

PP: It was called the TARDIS. So he was a Time Lord and he would travel back and forth in both space and time. So to build a flying saucer, I found out it was easier to build a TARDIS. Then I got thinking: Well, who wants to just sho through air when you can just simply get somewhere and dial your destination and walk out where you are, and you through the air?

Anyway, I worked toward that end and have done many, many science projects, some for large corporations, some f

agencies and many of them for myself. Im in the process now, at age 69, of building a laboratory to complete th having acquired a number of very special pieces of equipment for researching such things.

So thats what Im about right now. Im in the process of building that laboratory in a remote location where there ar magnetic fields. We dont really get television or radio direct much here and have very, very little man-made interfer interference and it allows me to do my work that I need to do. So thats the life change that happened when I was t on that pursuit ever since.

BR: And we would say be careful what you wish for because now you have the understanding, as far as you have tol far, you have actually the understanding, if you dont have the factory, to actually be able to make these machines. Y Powers That Be on planet Earth actually have access to this technology and use it for all kinds of reasons. Is this cor

PP: As far as I can tell, there are a number of governments that have this technology. My feeling is, and/or my know acquired from people who came to this planet from off planet. And its been from the reading of a lot of ancient docu 6,000 years. BR: To the Sumerians.

PP: To the Sumerians. I have a Sumerian document thats been translated that tells exactly how to build a flying sauc translation. It probably doesnt give everything, but it certainly gives the principles and Ive experimented with a nu find out that things take place that in modern physics arent possible.

Ive worked with a group of scientists that have recently discovered things in both mathematics and science that wou greater part of science that we have today and I have a PhD degree in Natural Philosophy, which they used to call effort to acquire and it leads me to believe that these ancient documents portray knowledge that we simply dont h we do have is wrong.

BR: And youve been privileged to spend time in the Vatican library. Is this something you can talk about on record?

PP: Uh... probably. Well, I can talk about things that... There is a lot of information there that is very contrary to thin deeply, both philosophically and scientifically, and thats basically been held away from the public its not commo translations which, I think, probably came from the remnants of what didnt burn in the Great Library of Alexandria

I was involved, for a time, with machine language translation of a lot of that material which was, in those days, som gave us some ideas. And the ones that looked good were later translated by people who had done, you know, lifetim I think theyre pretty fair translations.

BR: Are you able to say anything about anything that you learned about the Anunnaki? Or is this off-record as well?

PP: Well, the Anunnaki, who are written about in the Christian and Jewish Bible texts... there are... Ive seen skeleto

Thereve been recent giants. They are, you know, people that would travel around with traveling circuses and so fort through genetic problems that they had; genetic errors. All of them had joint problems; they had organ problems; the couldnt support the weight, things like that.

But some of the skeletons dont show those anomalies that one would see. Theyre very well-formed. Theyre very m many respects. They were written about in the Bible and they were written about in other ancient texts, so one has to

I know that there were numerous suggestions that DNA tests be run on them once we got DNA testing pretty well do

been thwarted by various religions and various school bodies, people not wanting to say that there are things that we they dont understand or that they dont want to understand. BR: But we human beings are from ET lineage -- are we not?

PP: My belief is that... Ill give you an example. Radio carbon dating has become very, very accurate. We have very that didnt have a language. Some drew pictures, some didnt. We found caves with their tools in them, with the evid with their making crude tools and things. Thereve been a number of spots that those were found, especially in Afric East.

Then, all of a sudden, over an 80-year period, emerged a civilization that, for 3,000 years, had the same language an same writing and the same mathematics, and was very, very advanced from things that came afterward. And, you kn oh, lets say 300 BC, we havent had any civilization that didnt change the language to where you couldnt read it in

BR: Sure. Yeah. Now, many of the viewers of this video will be aware of the influence on ancient Sumeria, where th civilization seemed to appear from nowhere. I was just asking whether you can confirm in any way what a lot of peo actually are, have been, created or engineered by ETs, who knew what they were doing and who wanted to create us

PP: Well, I dont have absolute proof of that. Thats one reason Im building the laboratory here. But one of the thing and early 80s... I did a lot of medical equipment engineering, and I designed a machine that would read a field that and could give you a read-out on the condition of the organs, organ by organ, in the body. Then it could locate or fin medication that would fix it. One of the things that I found was, in the early beginning, that that machine could prett diagnosis rate of 50 percent.

Of course, I wanted it to be perfect and spent a number of years finding out that the reason I didnt get over 50 perce people had genetic errors in their genetic system. As a result of that, they had disease processes that were based on t had to treat them very different -- these people who had a disease that was based on virii or germs, or other... parasit So I finally got it to where about 70 to 75 percent of the diagnoses appeared correct and the selection of medication Then I thought: Well, okay. Theres 25 percent here that I really dont understand.

It was about, oh, ten or fifteen years later that we got pretty familiar with and pretty good with genetic testing, and I people had very, very similar sequences in the DNA that were unlike the other 85 percent of the people and they w Earth. They appeared to be alien to the Earth. So I thought: Well, that well could be through exposure to some form o type of ionizing radiation.

So we looked at people that lived in areas that had natural radioactive compounds, like the areas in southern Utah w other uranium-bearing ores were mined and people that spent time there, people that were in fallout zones of nuclea center in Nevada...

[Ed note: a video splice begins here on a different topic] We sent the Gemini capsule up, and it went up the first ca all sitting in Mission Control and called up and you know, Ground to capsule, Ground to capsule. Hello. Do you rea

[Pete makes noise like muffled radio communication] ...comes back and there was dead silence and then everybody thing, the last guy that went to work had to be the guy that ran for lunch, and right down the street from JPL, right ab one the first Jack-in-the-Boxes. And youd drive in and youd order, and theyd repeat order back and itd come bac radio communication] and you couldnt hear a word. So everybody realized that these astronauts had taken their turn etcetera, etcetera, and everybody laughed and thought they were simulating the Jack-in-the-Box effect.

It turns out that that was the best communication that we had, so immediately Chris Kraft turns to me and says: Pete I made a thing that we eventually called the Lecture Laundry and it was a device that found out why such things to place. You still go to drive-ins and you cant understand a darn thing.

But I built some no-noise microphones that also had a device that removed all of that problem. We found out that the bands for all the information as speech is recorded.

Two of them record the information. One of them gives you the identification of the speaker. But that one pass band identification has to have a variable frequency startup and drop-off. So you have little knob on it, so you turn it on loudspeaker mode] and turn this knob until you can hear the speaker very, very clearly. And you can hear them perfe airplanes go over, the police cars go by, people shuffling their papers, the noise from the cooling fan, the noise from etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.

So anyway, its one of the little things out of my life. But I used to build those and when I moved to build my new la quit building those. So thats one of the products I intend to get put back into production. [Ed note: end video splice here; the 15% alien DNA topic resumes.]

I checked to see why I couldnt get the final 15 percent of the diagnostic readings correct and finally came to the con these people had DNA that had come from off planet. That led me to think: Well, if thats the case, there must be som

And when I went back and looked at the historical record, I found out that there are numerous records and archaeolo visited by people from off planet very probably, in my opinion, not only off planet but extraterrestrial or extra-Sola

You know, theres so many different people that claim having seen such things, that they existed, seen such peoples. categories of such aliens. A few, a small percentage of those, could be attributed to anything from paranoia to just ta you have as many as there are, all the way down through all of recorded history, it leads one to believe that it probab such things existed. As an example, anyone who wants to find something from the past, read Ezekiel in the Bible.

BR: In the course of your work, have you encountered any documentation about the existence of our relationship wi PP: I have. Most of them I cant talk about. BR: Sure.

PP: But yes, Ive seen things written by scientists that I have very high respect for. Some were teachers of mine. Som with scientifically in other fields, and there were casual conversations about such things. Thats why I have the belie extraterrestrial DNA in our bodies... some of us do.

Its rather interesting to note that theres been a lot of supposition about various programs to reprogram peoples min off, to cause them to believe things that arent necessarily true, but politically would be a very good thing for those i and in religion. Its interesting to note that mind control techniques work on 85 percent of the people, and the 15 per well on are people that have that particular DNA string. BR: Ah-ha. Okay. PP: So, just another verification that those people are very different from the average person.

DW: Pete, Im sure were going to have tons of people wanting to know, of this 15 percent DNA category, is it all on race? Or are they distributed throughout the population? And if you cant tell us, you cant tell us.

PP: No, they obviously run in family trees, along family tree lines or family lines, but theyre pretty well distributed cultures and races. DW: Thank you. I thought that was the case but I wanted that on record.

PP: Which, again, would be, to me, a confirmation that that probably did happen because why would someone come one family line? BR: So theres black and white and red and... PP: Red and yellow and green and blue and whatever. KERRY CASSIDY (KC): How about your DNA? Are you one of those? PP: As far as I know, I am. BR: We probably all are in this room. [laughs]

PP: We probably all are in this room. Matter of fact, Ive found that, as the last ten or twelve years have progressed, people, when I talk to them about things that I know that are a fact in both science, mathematics and in history, as w talk to certain people and the 85 percent that I dont seem to have a medical problem with, i.e., the ones that have n BR: Dont seem to understand what youre talking about. [laughs]

PP: When I talk to them, it used to be that they would call me crazy, or it used to be that theyd be really interested a But, nowadays when you talk to those people, when youre done talking they dont say: Thats crazy. Youre crazy. I back into consciousness and start talking like youd never said a word. KC: Absolutely.

BR: Yeah. Interesting. So the people watching this video are probably among the 15 percent. Theyre self-selective i find.

PP: Well, from what youve told me about the people that you deal with, I would believe that. Theyre probably in th

BR: Okay. Now, theres so many places we can go from this conversation, but theres something important which I w and that is: You made an allusion a few minutes ago to when you moved here nine years ago to be in a very quiet, se laboratory which you are building to do your work. What can you say about why you are here and why people who wish that they were also here?

PP: Well, that's something that, in our talks over the last day or so, we haven't really gotten into but I'm in an area th me and for some of the people who I do various things for that are not to be named.

One of them is this area is very secluded from man-made electromagnetic radiation. It's a deep valley with high mou degrees. The entrance to it is through a very narrow long, winding canyon. So we don't really get radio here, or telev

that comes in here does have interference on it as well as it has information on it. But it's very, very secluded, inform

Then the place that I chose here is kind of back in a little notch in the mountains, so its even more secluded. That w

The other reason is its an area thats very highly defendable. That was very important because of my belief, and the that I have great respect for, that the world is going through a... Ill call it a meltdown. Were going through a change radio and television shows and motion pictures and books and movies are all fraught with the fact that something m 2010 or 2012 the end of the Mayan calendar, Earth changes, a number of things.

The Yellowstone caldera is very, very active. There are areas up there where the ground has risen. My understanding We all know that theres got to be major volcanic activity under Yellowstone area because we can go up there and se Old Faithful geysering and smell the sulfur coming out of Hades. BR: And, metaphorically, the same thing may be happening politically.

PP: Exactly. The same thing happening politically. Best I can tell, weve been printing not only billions, but trillions back them whatsoever. Right now I have very dear friends in China that are offering me mature T-bills and mature U to get cashed, that theyre offering for 10 cents on the dollar.

And there are trillions of dollars worth. It would be enough that, if the world court system would enforce their event woman and child in the United States would have to work for four or five generations to pay them off. BR: Whats the connection between that and your being here?

PP: Well, that, and my being here is Im in an area that, because if its geographical location, has four seasons but it The area where I am exports both agricultural and meat product in far greater amounts than the people here would c

One pry bar, or one stick of dynamite, would shut access not egress particularly but it certainly would shut acces indeed, a failure of the currency and ensuing political and certainly geopolitical meltdown, this area would be very p people with no money and therefore no food and no energy and whatever. People whod come looking for food wou like this. BR: Is there anything you can say about your belief of the likelihood of these events transpiring?

PP: Ive been lead to believe in numerous briefings and people that I know in fields that very definitely would know warned me that I should be at a place like this. Many people, even those from Europe and other places, that had very in major cities around the world have closed those offices down, and a great number of them have expressed a desire already moved here. BR: And you mean here to this particular area? PP: Here to this particular area.

BR: Uh-huh. So you believe that there is something very important happening this year and this one of the reasons w

PP: Thats one of the reasons why Im talking. Ive kind of, if you would, come out of the closet because I think that The people now that are, say, 27 years old and younger, have gone through a school system that hasnt schooled them obviously because if you know anything about education, has very specifically not trained them and not schooled certainly, and in politics and in economics, and certainly geo-economics. They just seem... they dont have an idea o

You know, we look at a President that complained entirely about all the money that the previous President spent, the ten times as much. Now it was turned over to the Fed to spend it and the Fed, in congressional testimony on televisio idea where that money went. We have no idea. We can tell you where two billion of it went, but we certainly cant tel it went, or six trillion of it went. We dont have any idea.

And, you know, the people have just let that pass by: Oh, that means that ourselves and the next four generations of work their whole lives to pay this debt off. And yet we dont even have any idea where it went or who has it. Its cer the economy. BR: Mm-hm. Now, if this occurs, would this be a worldwide problem? I mean, like the collapse of the dollar...

PP: Well, it is a worldwide problem. I mean, look back at James Burke's programs on Connections. The thing of it is the Unions had to do something to get the Union members to pay their dues, and the only thing they really could do So the Unions have increased their salaries to a point where the work has had to move off-shore, because we dont h work and be blue-collar workers anymore. They want to work and get white-collar wages.

The white-collar people want to get white-collar wages, rather than wages that were consistent with their production from the blue-collar workers and stolen from the rest of the world by loaning them money and then taking all their n rates.

This has happened all over the world. It hasnt just happened here. Were seeing economies beginning to fail everyw with a system now for, oh, 70 years or better, of fiat money money thats backed with nothing. Its like was said ab moved into New York and into Boston: Everybody made money by taking in the neighbors wash.

BR: Sure. In your personal opinion, and if you can qualify that personal opinion, it would be useful -- what do you t some tipping-point of social instability or financial instability that occurs before the end of this year? What can peop

PP: Well, lets take a look at the Depression in the late 20s. People had ethics. They had morality. Ethics and morali school systems 25 years ago, and for specific reasons. It had nothing to do with reasons of ethics or morality. It had So they were taken from the school systems.

So in the 20s when we had a Depression, people would go out to farmland and knock on the farmers door and say: that need to eat and Ill shovel manure, Ill dig potatoes, Ill haul the weeds out of the garden, Ill do whatever I nee feed my kids.

Now what people have been taught is that theyre owed a living, theyre owed to live like television says that people an ethic; they dont have a morality.

So what happens is, if we have a financial collapse, it wont be like the 20s. Its going to be like today and youre g absolute chaos. The government knows that. Theyve recently asked the service members if they would fire on civil which is entirely against the Constitution.

We had a Second Amendment and the founders of our country, in writing after the Constitution about where the Sec didnt say that we should have the right to keep and bear arms so that we could go get a deer and feed the family. Th the right to keep and bear arms so that if the government, with its military, got out of hand and tried to suppress the C they could take control back, because the government was supposed to lie in the hands of the people.

Now, not that I believe that the people are smart enough to handle themselves, because theyre not, otherwise we wo

several Presidents that weve had. Wed have actually had senators and congressmen thrown out because they would necessary. And the senators and congressmen had no option because we had so many splinter groups that they had to couldnt do what was necessary for the people as they were charged to do. BR: Is there anything you can say on record about a recent Congressional session that you attended? PP: Yes. Uh... Probably better not said. BR: Okay. PP: Just note that there was the third... my understanding... it was the third-ever closed session of Congress. BR: Okay. I understand. KC: But it is on Google, so...

PP: Yeah, I think many things have leaked out about it on Google. We found that no matter where the politician was on, when top secret things were talked about, they wanted to close the session early, so they could get out and put th dont have any confidentiality in that. It leaked out, Im sure. BR: Am I right in assuming that you wouldnt contradict those leaks? PP: I wouldnt contradict them at all. BR: Thank you.

KC: But werent they told to... weren't some of them getting out of the country to relocate in South America? Ask hi PP: Thats my understanding. KC: George Green has given us testimony to that effect.

PP: Yeah. Thats my understanding that a number of them felt that, once the people found out what had been done to representatives, they felt that it would be much better for their health and safety to be somewhere else.

BR: Mm-hm. And that kind of says it all. Do you know anything, or suspect anything, about once the financial syste would it be replaced by?

PP: Well, up until a few days ago I would say it wouldve been replaced by a world currency. Remember, the last fo members of the Council on Foreign Relations, and have openly stated that theyre moving toward a One World gove should have a One World government. If we had a One World government, wed probably have a One World curren

And it might even be they were smart enough to have a currency that was backed by something real, like gold or silv always wanted to see a commodity-backed currency, so you could have a currency that was worth so much corn, or of something that was a real, tangible thing. BR: Sure. Up until a few days ago, you said. What changed?

PP: Up until a few days ago. What changed was my understanding is now that theyre... well, the NAFTA and GATT

into a system where we had Mexico, United States and Canada almost as one government with three parts.

There was going to be a, you know, its been highly rumored that there was a printed currency available pictures a etcetera, etcetera, because theres nothing thats a secret anymore that would have currency, different colors and di denominations, and was to be called something like the Amero for North America.

Its been rumored that that currency is being destroyed now and replaced by another U.S. currency that is being prin lot of sense because theres so much... well, the money thats being printed is funny money because its backed on no so much counterfeiting, especially out of Iran. So you can look at some of our politics with Iran having to do with nu much of it having to do with the fact that they have good printing presses and good duplicators of paper and ink. The amount of currency that we know has moved here from Iran that is counterfeit, and its rampant.

BR: Yeah. Many people watching this video will be aware of what David Icke has been talking about. We spoke to h year and one of the drums that he's been beating is about what he feels is the danger of the population being chipped is going to be linked with their ability to operate financially at all. Can you comment on that at all?

PP: There are a number of things to lead one to believe that they are going to be shipping people around. There are a no explanation for, but very large concentration camps have sprung up, one of them very near where I live here that'

On the other hand, I was involved, back in the '70s, with a very large food and feed company to build chips that cou breeding cattle, for example, and show cattle, to geolocate them or to identify them.

That technology has now been reduced down to things that can be injected through a hypodermic needle into the bo currency that I heard about that was to be a One World currency was based on being chipped. The credits, if you wo that chip by a method similar to Bluetooth that's used today. BR: And this is technology which you yourself have helped develop! Is that what I heard you say?

PP: Well, it's technology that I developed, some of the early things, and it's technology which, in it's smaller implem in a product that I'm in the process of building for geolocation and anti-theft because there's so many people being k their organs, or being kidnapped and held for ransom not the least of which is around the Mogadishu area and in th even in Mexico. A tremendous number of people are being kidnapped for ransom there, both their own people and v BR: There's a problem tracking containers. PP: Theres a problem tracking sea-land containers as well. BR: Why is it important to track these containers?

PP: Well, there are around 10,000 containers a day coming into the country that are never physically inspected. We k destruction, though this is not totally announced, but we know weapons of mass destruction are coming in in those c are coming in in those containers because we see the evidence of it afterward.

Thank God the government has picked up a lot of these things later, but the containers a lot of them are shipping c shipping... You know, we saw the dog food come in that was laced with Melamine, because it wasn't inspected.

BR: Now, we just did a tape change here, and just before that little interlude, David was very keen to ask Pete about transform these danger signs into something that is a healthy warning to us? What sorts of proactive, positive-thinki we take without just blindfolding ourselves and ignoring whatever real risks that might be there?

Now this is my bridge because I want David to ask his own questions. This is one of the reasons why he's here with for David, his intellect, his perspective, his experience. David, this is all yours. You want to talk to Pete about this ve

DW: Sure. What I wanted to say was just that I have a perspective, which includes documenting my dreams every d following their guidance, getting accurate information from that guidance. Yesterday morning, while we were talkin a dream in which there was a volcanic eruption. It looked terrifying. There were rocks flying into the air and everyb were all going to die. We ran under these trees, the rocks fell all around us, but we were all fine. Nobody was actuall a disaster, obviously it had caused property damage, but the people were okay.

That's one of many different varieties of data that I've gotten to suggest that, even though things look like they could apocalyptic, that humanity will persevere through this and that we will be able to have a positive outcome on our ow a situation that's completely outside of our ability to manage.

PP: Well David, you had a question that you asked me just before the break and I think we're going to agree to disag question again, or make that statement again.

BR: It was a very good question. It was about prior warnings not having come to pass and therefore why should we okay. Yeah, let me give you some prelude to that. I spoke with another witness who was involved in various compar particular which was at the Montauk base, and he had extensive contact with people on the inside.

One of the things that he said was that the Superdomes that were built in all the major cities were intended to be larg people to be herded in. He said that there was a plan that the Rodney King riots would foment enough social upheav actually round up black people who were rioting in the cities and put them inside these domes and basically keep the away.

That was a plan that was made and it obviously did not happen. So, we've heard from many Project Camelot witness in which the Powers That Be, whoever they are, say apocalyptic things are going to happen. The dates come, strange doesn't lead to an apocalypse scenario.

So, in private conversation with us, you had mentioned that there were other dates that came and went where they ha might happen. Some friends of yours inside told you something like that and then it didn't actually turn into a social PP: Yes. DW: Okay. PP: I did say that, and so the question is?

DW: Well, the question is, in terms of... You had mentioned before that people have a conditioning to not think, and control. You said that there is a degradation in the moral fabric of our society. So, I think what we really need to kno What can we do to help ourselves not be indoctrinated by this passive programming that's coming out to us? You me control and things like that. I think that's an important key to not getting stuck in this trap.

PP: I moved here because I was told by various people that I should geolocate and be in an area that would be safe w financial and, therefore, a political, collapse. So there're certain things that I've done to make sure that myself and m safe from that.

The question that David just asked is a little bit different, having to do with the fact that numerous ones of us have h

in the future, ranging from the fact that, supposedly in the year 2011 or 2012, we have the end of the Mayan calenda coming. People who are apocalyptic Christians say about the same thing, that the End Times are here or coming. We about the economic posture of the United States and the whole world, and we see things happening.

We see Iceland, for example, declaring bankruptcy, and I hear from people that I know in the banking system that a states are going to follow them in bankruptcy. When the U.S. currency fails... which I can't imagine that it won't, bec currency and put out there that's backed by nothing -- it's all beginning to come home and roost. The T-bills and bon I can't see what's going to happen there.

We have the huge collapse that when, before the current President took office, 16 billion dollars was going to solve a get this bill through, and We can take 16 billion dollars and put it out in. And it barely passed and we got that throug

Then it seemed like three weeks later we didn't know where the 16 billion dollars was even supposed to go or what f bill without even knowing what was going to happen. That 16 billion dollars disappeared immediately. And now, all or nine trillion dollars, and then we needed 20, you know, and we don't have any idea where that went.

So the things we've heard in the past about there going to be a failure, the time came and left and there wasn't a failu pumped somewhere. And, of course, the system had a lot more inertia than we anticipated. So now what we have is is coming to roost. I drive around in the town that I live nearby, the large town that's about 50 miles south of me, and look in the little malls and I look in the big malls. The big mall has closed. We only had one mall in the town, and th nearly, well, 750,000 people.

The one mall that we had, the people that had the mall failed and went bankrupt, and it's closed. All the stores that se jewelry stores, bed and bath stores, etcetera most of them have closed. Sporting goods stores, most of them have c BR: What you're saying is that we haven't been here before. This is something new.

PP: So we haven't really ever been here before. You know, we've heard that things are going to happen, things are go on as normal and the government continued to print money and pass it out to its friends and so forth. So, therefore, w circumstances. I moved here in 1999 because I was told [that] by 2001, that the system was going to fail. And here w nine years later... BR: In fact, you were ordered to come here.

PP: I was. So, we found out that no, it didn't fail. I'd go for a briefing and they'd just be in shock: We don't understan why it hasn't failed. I mean, we just don't know. The only thing we can do is say there was so much inertia.

So, now it's beginning to fail. And it isn't just beginning to fail -- it's increasing on a logarithmic scale, and very shor to do that. Which then brings us back to the first question that David asked just before the break was: What do I see listeners out there, something that they might do? And I can say: Well, in my personal opinion...

And what I've done, I've put my money and my talent, my skills and my abilities, where my mouth is. I've come her grow all my own meat, all my own vegetables. I have stored up those things that are going to be critical to society. I didn't have that allow me to do things in such an environment and such a society to produce things that are going to have. BR: And you can even make your own radio and probably fuel your own truck.

PP: Exactly right. I have a number of vehicles that I now have -- engines that'll burn alcohol. I have the equipment a

have the tractor, and I have the land and I have the water to grow material that I can make alcohol from at a much la

BR: Now, a lot of people listening to this will say: But I'm in the middle of a big city. I've got a wife and a mortgage school, and I hear what you're saying but what can I do? I'm not in that situation. What would you tell them?

PP: Well, I've taught survival for better than 40 years and my particular area of expertise in survival was urban survi book about urban survival, and I started the book out, and I can tell you that we got into that a little bit earlier I c isn't any such thing as urban survival. Who knows their neighbors? In '29 people knew their neighbors and they had ethics and morality has been taken away from the children, and the children are now in their 20s and 30s. BR: The community's gone.

PP: The community is gone. We don't have a community that would do that, and we have people that have children, a couple children. What are you going to do when your kids say: Daddy, my tummy hurts. I haven't had anything to smell the next door neighbor over there, who was a wise squirrel and put something up, and you smell him out on hi no power but charcoal - cooking a couple of freeze-dried steaks? You have to ask yourself: What would that person

BR: Okay. But there are a lot of psychological operations that have been put in place in preparation for all of this, an or mental preparation, emotional preparation, spiritual preparation. Is there something that you can speak to about th circumstances are?

PP: Well, I will do that, but first I want to suggest that... Take a look at just the things that have happened. Forget the Let's take a look at things that have happened in this country over the last, say, four or five years.

You've got the debacle that occurred in New Orleans, and then you've got the next debacle that occurred in Texas an see that, no, all those people couldn't leave town because they got out on the freeway and the freeway was jammed. they ran out of gas and there wasn't any gas. The people that owned the service stations left to get out of town also, s the service stations.

You look at New Orleans. I knew people that were getting water to New Orleans that had been ordered, it was a yea were people who got thousands and thousands of trailer-houses that were stuck in the Midwest and never got shippe use them. But by the time they got where they could've put them down there, the things had already decayed, and th with the wrong materials and they were out-gassing toxic things...

That was how well the government was prepared for that. They saw it coming and saw it coming and saw it coming you look at the people that live along the Mississippi River and its feeding tributaries. They've had floods virtually e have floods, and they go back and they rebuild their houses with lots of insurance money, and then they have floods

The weather is changing. I think it's changing to the colder rather than the warmer, but anyway, the weather is chang changing right here where I live, tremendously so. In the last couple of winters, we've had two-to-three times the sno ten years. Then we've had water from it, major, major water problems. We had droughts for a number of years. I live that holds enough water to irrigate the whole southern state for a year or two, and it's been absolutely dry in the bott it's clear full and spilling over. BR: So, in summary, you're saying that as a scientist and as an intelligent man, as somebody who is well-connected scientists and other intelligent men, you think that there's a real problem.

PP: I think that there's a major real problem and I think that people who don't see that, and don't realize that, simply that what they should do is think: You know, maybe there's something to this. But at least we see that in major areas o

problems where people needed to have a little supply of food left because they couldn't get to a store.

They need to have things that, if they have to leave their homes... Like in the area that I'm in, and in California, espe especially. There've been major, major fires that have gone on. People have been moved out of their homes. And wh came back and they're crying on television: Oh, everything's gone. Everything's gone.

And yet, some of those people went to survival lectures that I gave and they had copies of their driver's license, copi copies of their insurance papers, copies of all the things they needed to have copies of. They had extras of all the chi the journals and so forth put away in another location. These are things that people can do to assure continuity even something coming.

California? We hear predictions about earthquakes all the time and we see earthquakes all the time. Some are small a hear the people that actually are predicting those things predicting very large earthquakes. They don't know if it's go after, but they know it's going to come, they know it's going to be large, they know people are going to lose things. W what's called a bug-out bag in their car where they could take off and leave the area?

The government says: Oh, you only need to have three days storage. But we look at where the government's come in over just the last four or five years, and found out the government didn't have anything for them. They had to fend fo sometimes, before they had effort come in.

It's very interesting to understand... When I teach a survival class, one of the things I do is, right at the beginning of over people's head. Then I tell them: I'm going to place a ten dollar gold piece somewhere in the room and have you it gets to keep it.

So I do that and then I say: Okay, go look for it, and immediately someone says: Oh, here it is. I have it. I found it. A off and says: Well that's no fair! He didn't have a hood on!

And I say: Okay, so let's say that there's a big earthquake or a big emergency, and if you don't have a way of commu phones are going to be down, the radio stations are going to be down if you don't have a way of communicating ou a bag over your head. You're not going to know what roads are blocked. You're not going to know what roads have p people to go through. You're not going to have gasoline in your car.

If you had a short-wave radio or an amateur radio, which are very inexpensive, you could listen to the radio amateur immediately there because that's what they're set up for, that's what they're trained to do. If you had an amateur radio get these days, it's like you had eyes. You can see where to go, where there's problems, where there are not problems there are not riots, and carry on and go there. If you had a bug-out bag in your car you'd have gas and fuel and medical supplies, things to keep you warm, things up ready to go. Just a small bag. So, there are a number of things that one could do to become aware.

BR: Theres a lot that has been done to dumb down the population. How can this be reversed? How can that be aided David gets a chance to answer his own questions. What I'm trying to do is support you in that and I want to give you

DW: There is a compartment of reality that we can talk about in which people are on this planet and there are forces outside their control to do anything about other than, as you said, preparations for the sake of survival. Then we also is that you are apparently directly aware of extraterrestrials who are not strictly negative. In fact, you mentioned to u positive. We know they're out there, we know they're visiting us.

While I don't believe they're going to just come down and save us from problems, there appears to be a greater realit

and that this situation... My understanding is that the situations we're going through are going to be instrumental in h influences on this planet that have been prevailing for so long, not make them worse. There will be, certainly, a crisi that's part of a passage into a more organized and enlightened society. That's how it's been explained by many differ opinion, including ancient prophecies that speak of the coming of a Golden Age.

PP: Well, one of the things that I did in studying survival was I went to numerous places on the face of the Earth wh things taking place, whether it be genocide in Africa, whether it be eruption of volcanoes, whether it be tornadoes an those places studying survival, and I know one thing: There's one person I can rely on and that's me, and all the rest

I found out that the people that survived were the people that were prepared. Some were prepared mentally, and that you could do. But I know that when you believe in other people, that may or may not happen, but if you believe in y happen and you don't have any worry.

I found out that a few days or a few hours, or even a few minutes can be the difference between life and death. So I little time and a little effort and a little money, and be able to take care of myself and my people. And if other things have things I can share with others. DW: Yeah, I don't dispute that at all. In fact, I am very well prepared for eventualities in myself. We also, at Project enough different witnesses that we are trying to look at the big picture perspective.

I do believe that we have an intelligently-guided planet. I do believe that the things that happen on the planet are not that society itself is going through an evolutionary process. A lot of the things that you've shared with us already, off are potentials of the human being much greater than what we currently understand.

Youve also suggested there are efforts to suppress our natural ability that have been put in place and I think that, wh important, I think anything you can tell us about how people can strengthen their intuitive faculty, so that they have that part of themselves that does have the knowledge you've mentioned remote viewing before, too.

If they have some way, something you can share with us, a way in which people can greater empower themselves to they actually possess and how that could help them through these transitional times, maybe that would be important PP: Well, actually, strangely enough, we really agree and I think we're both saying that one should do both, because anything; you don't have to rely on somebody else.

That's the problem. What's been taken out of people over the last 20 years is response-ability. People have to take re

Over the millennia, the people that we've considered major, major prophets, such as the prophets of Mohammedanis Christianity, prophets of record such as Nostradamus and so forth. Every one of those, and all the religions, have sai prepare yourself.

The things that Davids talking about to prepare are exactly correct. People should have those skills. They should go know that your group has been superb in providing evidence and providing a website that's a fantastic website where find out people that are talking about such things, people that are saying such things.

I'm basically a warrior because that's kind of my path and I've noticed that there isn't anybody out there in this world except me. That's not necessarily true because the knowledge, the intellect, the experience, the vast experience that I

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Dr. Pete Peterson, Part 2 - David Wilcock Interior US, June 29, 2009

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DAVID WILCOCK (DW): Okay. Now, Pete, one of the questions that I had for you is that you had men

you didnt like the term consciousness field, and you would prefer the term information field. I was won could explain why that distinction was made in your discussion?

Dr. PETE PETERSON (PP): Because, to me, the consciousness field deals with consciousness and the in mostly unconscious. DW: Id like to double click on that and get more information on that link.

PP: Well, [laughs] the information field holds everything in the known universe, and, theres consciousn has their own consciousness and their own consciousness field. Its one of the characteristics of individu information field. Its one of the characteristics of the information field that I think the best English word spirit. The individual consciousness field of each person is very, very different.

The information field holds everyones consciousness, while the consciousness field holds each individu consciousness, or their... I guess we could say spiritual characteristic, though I use spiritual in a very dif than its used by religions.

DW: My witness, Daniel, referred to spirit as the intellect. He said that the intellectual aspects of mind a theyre not happening in the nervous system at all. Theyre in the field where those cognitive processes t

PP: I absolutely agree with that. Theyre definitely non-localized. Theyre in the consciousness field, wh localized with the person whatsoever. Its everywhere and every-when.

Its not a device. Its not a part of the neural or even non-neural anatomy. Its a field. Its like a magnetic electric field in some respects in the respects of a field but its non-local, even though it appears to be centered around the actual individual.

It may be what some people call the aura. But it also has tentacles, if you would, that extend through tim infinity.

DW: Theres a Russian scientist named Budakovski who takes a holographic photograph of a healthy ras shines that light into a raspberry tumor, and the tumor cells rearrange into healthy raspberry cells and it g plant. Are you familiar with anything like that?

PP: Well, I am. I wasnt aware of that experiment and would very much like to be, because Im looking can instrument and observe, to try to come to some conclusions. But that to me is... it would be a necess that way. DW: Right.

PP: Id like to be familiar with the experiment; but, for example, I found out in human medicine, for exa to the conclusion -- and feel I can prove that to any competent neuro-anatomist -- that the DNA is merely generates the physical part of the body. The DNA gets its information from the informational field in how you find that the informational field is eternal and holds the spirit or the being or the information of the p perfection whereas the perfection then runs through the factory. If the factory is missing the thing that on, the wheels are going to fall off, if you would.

And so, the DNA problems that you get with human health and anatomies are errors that are in the DNA appears, are pretty much passed down through the family tree. But theres also information that comes d

family tree, and thats shown by a lot of work that was done by Joseph Chilton Pearce, for example, repo The Magical Child.

Theres information thats transmitted to heart tissue actually brain tissue thats in the heart and that h persons information about emotional things, and a lot of information about taste.

For example, they found people with heart transplants all of a sudden loved mustard when they couldnt beforehand. And they find that the person that was the donor loved mustard. They find that the person th was a very loving person, where the person who lost their heart lost it because of a lot of frustration and they were a person that wasnt a loving person. Now they become a very loving person, and the people a no idea how to relate to them.

DW: Does each person have the same degree of contact with this information field, or consciousness fie

PP: I would doubt that they do because theyre all individual. For example, there are people who just see informationally troubled, if you would, which has nothing to do with being, you know, personally troubl to have problems, even when you go in and correct things in their...

This is from a health field, because I spent many years in that field building medical instruments. Theyr computerized and we had, you know, years and years and thousands of patient visits that we could go ba look at and correlate the long-term data. That was the instruments that have been out there now for 28 ye marketplace, and some 16,000-plus instruments around the world, and well over a million-and-a-half pa

So we correlated that data and have shown that much of this must be the way that things are. So, like the you made was one that I absolutely agree with, that out of necessity there has to be an informational fiel necessity there has to be something that drives the DNA.

Now weve done some experiments showing that we can generate this field around the body and the bod the DNA were perfect. If they had a genetic disease, the genetic disease goes away. Now with the adven research, we find out that we can use a persons own stem cells in the body and heighten this field aroun the cells they had, that are replicable cells, that had a genetic problem, the genetic problem goes away be informational field holds the perfect information rather than the flawed information of the gene itself. DW: Well, thats like the Budakovski raspberry thing I told you. PP: Exactly. DW: The tumor was transformed. Yeah. PP: Yep.

DW: How can someone strengthen their contact with this field that they have? Do you have any exercise technology perhaps, anything that they could do?

PP: I have technology that could do that, and thats one of the products that I intend to come out with on laboratory and factory completely built.

DW: Well, thats tantalizing, but what have you done? What could you do? What could it do for someon

PP: Well know that once we get it done and do the testing on it, so... I know what I think it would do an weve been very successful with these instruments. The American Medical Association publishes every of clinical diagnoses that their doctors, they feel that their doctors got correct. This year it jumped all the from 5% the previous year. We have 85% of the patients that use the medical equipment that Im talking the patients feel that within two days they dont have what they had when they came. DW: Do you believe in acupuncture points on the body?

PP: Well, I have to believe in them because theyre there, and you can go to Radio Shack, or you can go and buy a $4.00 or $5.00 dollar meter and adjust the meter appropriately and run those on the body and the points, put a little dot there; go compare yourself to an acupuncture chart, and youll look exactly the

I did find out how the acupuncture system works. There have been a number of people that postulated it, show that it worked. I worked with Dr. Jean Claude De Roche at the French Institute of Science. Hes a acupuncturist. He taught the Chinese acupuncture. They did away with acupuncture in the 20s and mad though it was practiced down every alley, and then during the Cultural Revolution they brought it back.

The reason for that was they had a huge plague and acupuncture wouldnt cure the plague but penicillin French missionaries brought in penicillin and so they did away with acupuncture and went with penicilli acupuncture has its definite uses, as does the sister of acupuncture, which is Chinese herbal medicine. It [that] if you put certain chemicals in the body and certain precursors, youre going to get certain chemic the body.

So, anyway, the acupuncture system is very interesting. What we did is we injected radioactive potassium acupuncture point while the person was under a high-speed CAT-scan machine, and we found that the ra moved directly to the organ associated with that point... KERRY CASSIDY (KC): Oh, wow.

PP: ...for the 3,300 years that the Neijing has been around talking about it, and for the 6,200 years that A medicine has been talking about it.

So we found there was a direct correlation to, not only to the organ system, but to actual parts of it. For e the outside of the thumb you have a point that gives you information about the entire lymphatic system first joint. But above the first joint, it talks about the lymphatics that are in the tonsillary ring.

When we inject here [touching the side his left thumb], the radioactive material goes to the tonsillary rin inject here [touching same thumb, but closer to bottom knuckle], it goes the whole lymphatic system.

You go down [indicating different points down the side of the thumb] and, you know, it goes on down th

The same thing, you know, if you work across the hand, you have lymph and lung and circulation and et etcetera. [pointing to different places on his hand] You come over here and you have the heart and the sm can go down and inject here and it goes to the mitral valve. Here it goes to the aorta. Here it goes to, you chamber, that chamber, etcetera, etcetera.

Then you go down on the feet, the acupuncture points are the same thing. We also found that the acupun acupuncture meridians arent veins, they arent vessels.

The acupuncture meridians, as theyre called, arent really meridians. Theyre made up of a... If youve game animal or a chicken, youll notice that between the organs or done surgery between the organs filmy layer. That layer is built up like a baklava. Its built up in a number of layers, and each of those lay capacitive, conductive surface, not meant for conducting materials such as radioactive potassium, [laugh does anything in the body.

The body is a biological mechanism. It works like the intestine does, peristaltically, like the heart does, p ionic in nature, so its polarized, so it pulsates and moves information. So that system was an informatio points are just above and below each joint, and you have them down each side of the hand. Theyre arou about a 45-degree angle toward the finger. And you can take something like a ball point pen I dont see up a pen] but you can take, not the point of the pen but the point of the case, and you can probe about a just above and below each joint.

Most people dont know theres a joint just like this joint and this joint and this joint [pointing to the bac the pen], right down here at the wrist. You can probe those places, and on ones where youre having a pr organ or organ system, youll find a little hard nodule under the skin, just above and below the joint, at a [degrees].

If you rub back and forth past those, ones that arent too bad, ones you dont have a bad problem, youll nodule but it will actually palpate like it were a little grain of rice filled with coarse sand. Youll feel a gr graininess. And you go up below the joint and above the joint, and so you can tell where you have a prob

Now, what acupuncturists dont want you to know is, if you take something thats a little milder rounded point, itll feel really good if you have a problem there. And if you take a piece of metal and do the same points will feel differently because the metal thing tends to discharge an excess of electric field there, an tend to charge up a point of extra field there. It turns out theres a type of material called an electret. An electret is to electric field like a magnet is to So theres a way of putting a permanent electric charge on a piece of plastic.

All the microphones in little tape recorders youve ever seen, 99% of them are electret microphones whe little piece of film with a permanent charge. As the voice hits it, the film vibrates. Then theres a piece of and you measure the voltage between the two, feed it into the device, and thats where the voice signal c

So you can make an electret and rub the various points and itll just feel really good. And you rub it one and all of a sudden, itll quit feeling good and you move onto the next point. If you do that on your finge feet, youll feel really, really good. Itll normally alleviate almost any problem you have.

Thats what an acupuncturist does. They can find where those places are that you need to have a treatme way. Another way to do it is use an acupuncture needle and stick it into the point to charge it or discharg way to put it in to do either.

So, one of the products that we came up with is two little pieces of metal that you can have little indenta you can rub your points. Those pieces of metal have a number of holes in them, and people asked us wh for, if it was critical to the use of the unit, and I said: No. Thats where you tie a shoelace, and if you loan you keep one hand with a shoelace around because they wont give it back to you, it feels so good. [laughter]

PP: So we have tooling to make those and I probably need to make another batch of them. But anyway, w these were there. Now, it turns out that these points like this is the lymphatic system here [pointing to t hand], and this is the lung system here, and if you go clear to the end of what... and there are points up th clear to the end of where that meridian is, they all end at a tooth root. The teeth are piezoelectric. When piezoelectric material, it generates a voltage. DW: Discharge.

PP: Or if you take a piece of piezoelectric material and apply a voltage, it expands or contracts. The teeth piezoelectric. So thats why you should take very good care of your teeth and dont get a root canal unle have to have it, and, not that youll die, but your health will go down.

So there are some things that we have, these little devices, will make up for that and will charge you up. who are missing a lot of teeth get a real, real success from that, and they have very, very pronounced litt their nodules are usually hard like a rock. If they keep massaging them from time to time until it quits fe good as a scratch on a good itch, and when it quits feeling good, move to the next one. And after a perio feel the granularity, and after a period of time itll just get softer and there wont be any little nodule und

DW: My mother had a large nodule right here and it finally went away, but she worked on it for a couple on the middle finger. PP: I have one here, as a matter of fact. [laughs] And it comes and goes. DW: So youre saying that the tissues around the organs have an ionic transfer system, which is...

PP: No. To the organ. Theyre around the organ, but they go all the way up the body. If you start strippin tissue... in fact, its kind of an interesting thing. Most people dont know that lions and tigers never eat m highly toxic. They strip out the blood veins, the vessels, the neural tissue. They eat intestines and they ea heart and the internal organs. They dont eat muscle tissue. DW: Really? PP: Yep. If they feed em muscle tissue and they only give em muscle tissue, theyll eat it, but they get highly toxic. But people eat all the muscle tissue and throw the good parts away. BILL RYAN (BR): Does that mean that we shouldnt eat a good raw steak if youre a meat eater?

PP: Unfortunately. [sighs] Its very obvious that I eat anything thats slower than I am. [laughter] But tha As good as it tastes, its not good for you. DW: Im just trying to understand...

PP: Thats also why the kosher meats have a very specific way of sneaking up on the animal and not alar very mercifully putting them out of their... demise. Its because they dont want that animal to get excited of toxins into the muscle tissue. DW: Hm. This is not... PP: Whether they know it or not.

DW: This is not the typical nervous system youre talking about, with sodium... PP: No. Theres no nervous system there. Its what Im saying. DW: Right.

PP: Its a completely different system. There was a Korean fellow, Kim Bong Jung, who postulated that said: I found the neural system and here are pictures of the little tubules that carry a yellow fluid, etceter thats all been reported.

You can find that all over the Internet and you can find it all over medical literature. But what it doesnt years later he committed suicide and said he was sorry for perpetrating such a hoax. There isnt that syst looked for it and couldnt find it and finally he just had to admit that he made it all up. DW: Hm.

PP: And so, that isnt the system. We found how it worked because we injected the radioactive potassium looked at it and watched it go through the body. And it goes exceedingly fast. If you took blood from the and traced it back to the heart, it doesnt move very fast. It moves very, very slowly. It doesnt race throu

But if you inject the radioactive potassium there, we had to get a higher speed CAT-scan machine to eve races. Its the frequency of this. Its like milking a cow or a goat its a peristaltic action, and it really ra Its a very high frequency.

DW: Now, youre saying this is all happening, some interface with the consciousness field or the inform PP: The informational field. DW: Okay. Could you explain that? Whats the energetic component? PP: I really... Yeah, thats a couple hour lecture. DW: Well, could I get the elevator version? [laughter]

PP: Theres not really an elevator version. It depends where it is, what it is, what the problem is, which m DW: Okay. If an organ is dysfunctional, why would it matter whats going on in your hand? PP: It doesnt. It makes whats going on in your hand. It creates whats going on in your hand. DW: Okay. So, because theyre the extremities, somehow...

PP: Because were built that way. KC: Youre saying you can either heal it on the hand or you can heal i organ, right? PP: No. KC: No?

PP: No, I wasnt saying that at all. What Im saying is that problems in the organ manifest themselves bo informationally at the appropriate points on the body.

Now, if you think about it, when you build a car; any car that youve had in the last 10 or 12 years has an connector under the seat. You plug a computer in there and itll say: The oxygen sensors bad. The brake weak. Itll say a number of things.

So, lets assume that somehow, whether divinely or by genetics, we were designed. Why not design a sy could test the thing? I mean, we dont come with an operators manual, but maybe we come with a syste easy for us to find out what the problem is and then alter things.

Now, one thing we found out is that every substance has an informational field around it. We found out a substance, place it on a device, and from the device find a numerical signature for that information field. way, therefore, to store it in a computer.

Now we can take the computer and run that information back out and generate an informational field. W field large, so it surrounds the body. And we can then measure in real time at these points, some of which which -- are acupuncture points, and some arent. There are some acupuncture points that we find dont though theyre classical points.

Now, you know, 6,000 years ago, or 3,300 years ago, they didnt have any kind of measurement instrum have a bio-feedback system that will actually do that.

DW: A lot of our audience is going to think of the Rife machine when you say these numerical signature PP: Thats very unfortunate. DW: Okay? PP: Because theres no correlation whatever. It has nothing to do with the Rife machine. DW: Okay. KC: Didnt you work for Royal Rife?

PP: I worked for Rife for a period of time, yes. I know how his instruments worked and it has no bearing whatsoever. This is a very gross, mechanical type of thing. DW: Okay.

PP: And it doesnt work at all like anybody thinks. Thats another story. But, anyway... threw me off a lit thinking about this. DW: You can play a signature for a specific compound.

PP: Yeah, we can make a signature of a compound, and what happens is, the body will react to that infor if you had given the person that substance. So you can go to an acupuncture point and get information fr can graph and chart on a machine, and it will tell you whether that organ is in a type of inflammatory pro

degenerative process, and how much, how long its been there, whether its winning the battle or losing t you can put the person in an informational field from a substance that you think may solve that problem, body. The body will react exactly as if youve given that substance, so you can select a type of treatment BR: When somebody is given a placebo, are they affecting their own informational field?

PP: Absolutely. Placebos work 50 percent of the time, and it isnt because placebos have a physical effec mental effect in some instances, and they have an informational effect in some instances. BR: So you should be able to affect your own informational field without a placebo.

PP: Yes. People asked me when I built these very complex computerized machines that do the diagnosis treatment, they asked me: Whats your goal for this machine? And I said: My goal is, when the doctor th the Dempsey Dumpster, and just does it.

That can be done. However, the machine takes away his emotional state and his emotional interference w patients emotional state and the patients emotional characteristics with it.

But, one of the machines that I want to come out with in the future is one thats a bio-feedback device th patient to put himself in an informational or mental state that affects the problem with the body. That can easily be done, and other than gross poisoning, or gross over-consumption of something...

For example, its very beneficial to have vitamin A. We dont get enough vitamin A in our bodies. But, y vitamin A and youll find yourself gaining water and getting ascites, and some people die from it. Many from it. So, too much of a good thing is too much, no matter how good the thing is.

DW: A lot of people are going to want to know, is anybody using this technology? Are there any doctors PP: There are, right now, in the United States, that I know of, 18,000 clinics. DW: Eighteen thousand?

PP: Eighteen thousand clinics using this technology. I taught seven companies how to make it. About fiv companies came in and stole the information from them, which, if theyd come and asked me, Id have h DW: Hm.

PP: Because I knew it was going to need 20 or 25 years out there before it got itself established. And so let other people do it, and I ran around in front of them like the man that runs in front of a curling stone a pathway for it. I went around in front of them sweeping a pathway in front of the FDA.

[Ed. note: Pete is talking about the Scottish sport of Curling, in which a Curling Stone is slid on ice. A m goes in front of it, sweeping the ice, smoothing the surface so that the stone can slide more freely.] We got a very, very good publicity man whose mother had been given, I dont know, eight or ten weeks kept her alive for another 17 years. DW: Oh my gosh.

PP: He felt very happy about that, and so he jumped on our bandwagon. Out of that, it finally ended up, years later theres actually an alternative medical branch of the FDA, and that branch handles things like meantime, I spent a lot of money, and a lot of time and effort, and got this device actually approved by th DW: That was my next question. There must be publications. There must be documentation out there.

PP: Well, the only documentation I know is, when you put my name into a computer, itll come up and t this device is, and how its a quack device. But if you find out who put that in there, youll find out that h thing about a lot of other things that work. Then if you go and watch the man, youll find that the checks the bank are from large pharmaceutical companies and from the government at times. DW: Right. KC: So, what name are they going to put into the computer for that device?

PP: Im not going to say that. Im not interested in thousands of people associating that and being able to friends that Im a fraud. Anybody who wants to know if its a fraud, come to me. Ill give you the closes can go there and ask the doctor whether his 3, 5, 7, 10,000 patients that went there, and two days later w their problem, think that its a fraud.

Now, I know its not 100% placebo because placebos only work 50% of the time. And even though the m the AMA -- says their doctors only get 5% of their clinical diagnoses correct... If they only get, you know this year, of their clinical diagnoses correct, what do you think they get correct with the treatment? You k say practicing medicine.

Or on the other hand, watch the TV show House, and in each incidence they tried five, or six, or seven tr killing the patient each time, and then find out what the solution is. You know, hes supposed to be the be in the world, you know, on television. But its very true to life. It comes out of Canada. Theyre a lot mo And, you know, you get the picture of practicing medicine. They dont have an idea. They dont have a w idea.

So Im now ready, after 28 years of having this device out there and about somewhere between, oh, prob million, or maybe more, patient visits behind it; all computerized. In the medical terminology, its anecd patient cant tell you if theyre well or they dont have the symptom any longer thats illegal.

But, Im now ready to go up against any one of them, because I can prove that my diagnoses with this ty are absolutely correct, because when they go look with conventional diagnostic tools and equipment, Ill as much as 20 years before it manifests itself in the body where common medical things can test it.

How can I prove that? Well, Ill wait 20 years and prove it. Thats what weve done. Thats why I have 2 done on it. Thats why I have people that came and thought it was a fraud and didnt accept the medicati them over a period of time and saw them eventually die of what I told them they would die from.

So I now have enough evidence. Im ready to go and do that, except Im not going to do that because I d desire to be assassinated. I have people that have more testicles than I have that are willing to do it... par in the Marine Corps. DW: You said theres a lot of clones of this technology out there, people have stolen it from you and...

PP: They didnt steal it from me. They stole it from other people. I gave it away, so they couldnt steal it theyd come to me, Id have given it to them. DW: Is it variable in terms of how well they work, like...

PP: Oh, absolutely. The first thing I did was... in my instrument, when you touch the body, in the beginn doesnt know where the points are, so I put a Point Locator. And the Point Locator made a tone, which a likened it to the sound of a cow that was dying. [laughter] Okay?

So, when I gave the people how to build this thing, they built it, and everybody says: Oh, that sounds lik they changed the tone. They eliminated 80% of the effectiveness of the machine, because the tone carrie information, that, if the doctor had only persisted with it for a month, he could then hear that tone and he diagnosis time from 35 to 40 minutes to 2 to 3 minutes. DW: Wow.

PP: It just became natural. Hed: Oh, I know what that means. I know what that tone means. Let me try t that.

He can dial up on the machine now some 850,000 different substances that are in this world. All the med medical system known; all the herbals of every herbal system known; all the magic healing potions of ev healing potion system known; all the chemicals that are out there that are man-made; all the chemicals th nature; all the vitamins; all the minerals; all the pharmaceuticals in the homeopathic pharmacopeia, and pharmacopeia. Everythings there. So, you can do it; the machine will help you sort those out and find o will alleviate the problem.

And many times youll find something that will alleviate a problem in the, for example, the small intesti itll aggravate the neural system. So you say: Oh, well there must be another medication thatll work and something here. So you can go back and find that particular medication. Now you know what to give.

Now, you can ask it: Okay, if Im going to give this, how much should I give? Itll tell you an exact amou everything in nature, theres a bell curve produced, a curve that looks like a bell, and you want that medi at the peak of the bell curve. You want just that amount thatll produce that reaction and BANG you

Many times when we give the medications to a patient, theyll bounce up and down like they were at Di Toads Wild Ride, and theyll say: Ah, ah, Ive had that pain for 20 years and now its gone. Did we heal him? No. Did we cure them? No. Why do I say: No? Because its against the law.

Do they believe they were healed? Yes. Did they believe they were cured? Yes. What makes the differen

DW: One thing that I think is really important is, if this video is out there online, theres going to be a lo want to claim that they have this technology to profit from it. PP: Oh, absolutely. DW: And it may not be the one youre actually talking about. PP: Absolutely.

DW: How do we prevent against that? Is there any search term we can give people on Google? PP: I dont know that we can prevent against it. DW: Or doctors that are actually using the right one? Or...

PP: The problem is that the first, about 6000 doctors I trained, and they had machines that moo-ed like a really good, and after that it went downhill. So, again, Im building a laboratory and a factory where I w and instead of having to do, like you have to do today, pay between $12 and $50,000 dollars for one of t DW: Oh. PP: Ive got one thats built in a fountain pen and well probably sell it for around $99. DW: Wow. BR: But there are similar healing modalities in existence, which is... PP: Oh, there are some that work beautifully. BR: Radionics, you know. Go on... PP: Well, yeah. There are radionics machines that... BR: Im not saying its the same. Im just saying its something that works... PP: Yeah, it works very well. BR: ...in the informational field.

PP: Oh, it works very well, and it works with, on... Exactly right. It works through the informational fiel DW: Have you heard of the SCANAR, the Russian SCANAR?

PP: Ive definitely heard of the SCANAR, having spent about, oh, eight months with the people doing it DW: Really?

PP: ...and working together with them. Theres another machine for pain. Its called the Acuscope, which this country by Tony Nebrinski who was the KGB man in this country looking for medical technology to Russia.

DW: Theres a guy named Dr. Hartmut Muller who built this LED thing that you put on your skin. Is tha you think works? PP: No. DW: It doesnt work?

PP: No, I didnt say that. DW: Oh. PP: I said there are things that work a lot better. Thats what I meant to say. DW: Okay. But people can also, as you said, massage these points on their hands.

PP: The best medical machine I ever invented were these two little things we call Acu-Combs [Ed note: did not find this device, so the correct spelling of this is unknown.] that you just rub your points with and DW: Is there a way people could build those on their own?

PP: They probably could as soon as they saw one, but its easier and cheaper to buy one from me, becau thousands of dollars for the tooling and they stamp them out like... DW: Great.

PP: ...shells coming out of a machine gun, and they put em in a tumbler and tumble them, and they actu material that we invented to actually do the charging. Its interesting in that you can take one of the units

By the way, you can find out how youll react to any food. One of the best things is that anything that go you say: How do my organs react to that?

Theres a reason that the highest-paid doctor is the anesthesiologist. Its because he has to pay the most i think... I may be wrong. Youd have to check what it is these days, but when I was working on it, two ou people were killed by the anesthetic. BR: Thats about right. [overtalk]

PP: This thing will tell you exactly because this finger and the distal side of the middle finger tells you a absorption here, and allergy here. It will tell you whether you have an allergic dispensation toward that m anesthetic, itll tell you how your body will react to it. KC: How does it tell you?

PP: By making an indication. Theres an indication on a meter and on a chart. When you learn how to re learn how to read the chart, which can be taught in approximately one minute, you can tell whether you an allergic reaction or not.

Another thing we found was, out of a major universitys animal husbandry department, we found that th substances that all humans and all animals are allergic to. Most of them are phenolic compounds that hav benzene ring in the molecule, and a couple are hormones, and a couple are proteins.

We found out that we can measure here and we can find out exactly if you have allergies, exactly what to. Then we can take that material and prepare it homeopathically and give you a couple drops under the allergy will disappear entirely.

Then, after a period of time, it may come back, and well find that you need a homeopathic remedy of a they call potency or strength, and then you take that. Sometimes it takes you three or four days to chase and find out exactly what you need, but eventually youll get to an end point, and you wont have that al know, and weve tested people now for 28 years, nobodys ever had an allergy come back. DW: Wow.

PP: And were dealing strictly with an informational system here that modern science refuses to do. But make much difference to those people who had allergies and dont, that modern science doesnt like it. I paradigm, which is wrong.

BR: I just want to say, on camera here, that what we are very clear about, having spent quite some time t that youre not trying to get rich through any of this. You want to make this technology available.

PP: No, I dont. No, I have no need to make any money. The only reason I want to build the things is so right, and they moo like a cow [laughter] a dying cow. Because that gives it... that lets the doctor do th much less, or the diagnoses for much less money.

And remember, the doctor only uses this to help him in making his diagnoses. The diagnoses cant be m only made by a doctor. BR: Yeah.

PP: Thats why in the beginning, we only sold them to card-carrying AMA, card-carrying MDs. Then we chiropractors. We sold a few of them to osteopaths, a few of them to naturopaths.

Then, the first person to have one that was a veterinarian was the Veterinary Commissioner for the State she started using them. Then we have now... I quit keeping track when I started trying to keep in front of keep them out of trouble for using them. And weve not had any trouble in using them, because we kept trouble.

Anyway, at the time all this was maybe 18 years ago there were about 350 veterinarians using them a working perfectly. They could find out what problems animals had, and how to solve the problem.

BR: Folks, were coming to the end of our third hour and there may be a number of other topics which w on before, well, while we have the opportunity. I know there are a number of other topics. Ive had my s David, is there more things youd like to pick up on? I know that Kerrys got some questions too.

DW: Yeah. Im just sensitive to all the emails that are going to be coming in. People are going to want to buy these little plates, so if you say you can machine them, once youre ready to do that, can you give us PP: If I had orders, I could probably ship within two weeks. DW: Okay.

PP: I cant tell you what they cost. I know that one of the plates out of necessity needs to be copper. I kn plates, the factory that used to make my electric material has gone out of business. DW: Hm.

PP: So, either Ill have to make it or find a factory that does it. But we have tooling that fits in a machine Amada Punch Press that punches it out faster than you can even see, and then it just has to be tumbled in combination of things to make it smooth and easy to handle, so it doesnt have sharp edges on it. DW: But its not that expensive, is the bottom line.

PP: Its not really that expensive. The copper in it now costs about $7.00 or $8.00 dollars for the copper probably much the same for the electric plate. Then we have to stamp it and process it. It comes normall carrying case with a separation between the two. DW: Okay.

PP: And a little set of cards that you can fold out that shows all the points on the hand, all the points on t are pressure points where there are things that you deal with; indigestion and headaches and that kind of

DW: Well you have your first order right now. [video displays dr_peterson_orders@projectcamelot.org a

PP: [laughs] Yeah. Ive taken them to, oh, I dont know, maybe a couple hundred health fairs and Psycho Association meetings, the Global Science Congress and Tesla Society meetings and dowsing meetings a Ive never taken them... I started with taking 20, and then Id take 50, and then Id take 100, and Ive nev that I didnt sell out before noon... DW: Right. PP: ...on the first day. Once I sell three or four, then everybody is... people cant put it down. So theyre doing it, people [saying]: Well, whered you get that? What does that do? And the guy is: Here, let me try it. No. I dont have a shoelace. Then Id start giving a shoelace with them so theyd get them back.

So, anyway, people like the way it makes them feel, they like the way it makes their hands feel, and they themselves without any help from the government that they actually do something for them that they lik them.

DW: Hm. Well, yeah, I think its really important to note that the healing is within. We all have this pow ourselves.

PP: Like I said, in any medical device that Ive ever done... And Ive also, by having the machine as a bi found a number of substances that do miraculous things for the body. DW: Such as?

PP: Out of all those substances, and all the machines, the best thing I ever did was the plates; theyre not I tell people is: If you think about this right, you can just throw the plates away...

...which brings up another device that Ill be putting out that looks like a cigarette pack thats a bad thi pack of playing cards, and maybe thats even bad to use. But its a little device that has a headband that y

electrode you soak with salt water in the front and the rear, and it... DW: Salt water?

PP: Salt water, just regular salt water, table salt. You put that on and it makes a tone, and we give a little makes a tone, and you can learn to, with your brain, you can learn to match. Its like if I hum or whistle ten times, you can hum Yankee Doodle. And if I do Mary Had a Little Lamb, you can do Mary Had a Li makes a sound and you learn to generate that sound by holding your tongue right. Have you ever seen a work? DW: The position of your tongue changes the tone? PP: No, no, thats what I didnt want to say. DW: Oh. PP: If you watch someone thats doing precision work, like an engraver or a watchmaker, they do it this tongue out the side of his mouth] DW: Okay.

PP: Yes, they have to hold their tongue in a certain way and it lets them do things. But you dont necessa your tongue right, you learn how to hold your mind right. DW: So this gives off an even pitch? But the pitch is varying? PP: No. Its not an even pitch. Its a varying pitch. It sounds like whistling a tune. DW: Okay.

PP: So you learn to make that tune by thinking right, and eventually youll put it on and if you do differe mentally, youll get different tones. So, you learn to hold those tones, so you get the tone that was on the when you get to that point, you can then alter these things without the plates. You can just do it mentally

DW: This is going to make me sound stupid, but people in the audience are going to compare that the M the binaural synchronization in the ears. PP: Yeah. DW: Is there any relationship with those? PP: None whatsoever. DW: I didnt think so. Is this like an EKG, like its a brain wave? PP: No, no. DW: Okay. Whats making the tone?

PP: An electrical field thats generated by the body. DW: So, why these two points then? [touching his forehead and center back of his head] PP: Because those are the ones that work. [laughter] DW: Okay. So, is it used only for healing? Or are there other...

PP: My favorite thing to do with it is find somebody thats into brainwave analysis and brainwave work, them implement me, and then play Yankee Doodle for them with my brain. They immediately say: Oops broken. Weve got to fix it, because nobody can learn to do that. Sorry, I can teach anybody to play Yank their brain in two weeks. DW: But, I mean, are there...

PP: And, once you learn to do Yankee Doodle, you can do Mary Had a Little Lamb in about ten minutes. DW: Lets say you have a guy that can move things with his mind; he has telekinesis. PP: Yeah. DW: And he makes a song on this thing.

PP: He makes a song, and you buy the song from him, like buying an mp3 thing, and you make that song very good that youre going to run that little ball bearing around through the maze with your head. DW: Really? PP: Yeah. DW: Thats very interesting. PP: [speaking quietly] I can tell you that government agencies have bought those by the thousands.

DW: How would you get an electrode on the back of your head? Isnt that going to go through your hair

PP: Well, surplus-wise, I bought about 10,000 little fold-out razors that are used to scrape hair off the bo surgeon needs to sew it up. You just put a little shaving cream on it and scrape a little piece off and... DW: And theres a headband you wear?

PP: Theres a headband you wear, and theres two little electrodes made out of a special metal, and they cotton sock over them. You soak this; you take water and you put it in a little bowl, and you stir water an until theres no more salt to dissolve, and you dip those in there and squeeze them out a little bit. Use a l with some soap on it and wipe the grease off the area here [pointing to his forehead] and the grease off th that youve balded. You put it on, and it works just fine. DW: Wow. How precise do you have to be in placement? Does it have to be right smack on?

PP: No, within a couple inches. DW: Oh. PP: No, it doesnt go on the third eye. A lot of your people will ask that. It goes in a different spot. DW: Okay.

PP: But its very easy to tell where it goes because you put it on and it isnt making... well call it brainw not what it is, but then anything that isnt hooked directly to the brain isnt brainwave noise anyway.

BR: I have a 60-second question before this tape goes out. Why would the agencies be interested in stuff PP: Oh, I dont know that I can say that. BR: Okay. Well leave it to our imagination. PP: Leave it to your imagination. BR: Okay. PP: I can tell you that there were a lot of them bought at SRI. [Ed. note: Stanford Research Institute] BR: Uh-huh. PP: And a lot of them were bought by... KC: To teach remote influencing. [music begins to fade in] PP: I didnt say that. I didnt even hint that. KC: I said that. PP: I wouldnt do that if I were you. KC: Oh. PP: Not unless youd like a visit. You will have a visit if you mention it. And you wont like it. [fade out]

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unexpected interruptions in the normal working process in Project Camelot, this normal process was no forward, so the audibles were left in the square brackets.] Intro: Dr. PETE PETERSON (PP):

... I wonder. I look at Earth, and I look at the things weve done to destroy this fragile little spaceship tha going through space. You know, we talk about burning, we talk badly about all the burning of the rainfor and yet most of the oxygens produced by plankton. Our use of nickel-cadmium batteries, and lead batte them out into the environment has killed a good part of the plankton. Cetaceans are beaching themselves enough food left for the others. Start of Interview:

KERRY CASSIDY (KC): So Pete, we are very, very happy to be able to connect with you, and you have generous with your time, with your energy. I hope I have a little more energy left, because Im coming a David, and I just have a few wrap-up questions that I want to run by you, and well see how this goes. So, one of the leading things you said was that you were involved with robots. PP: Thats correct.

KC: Im just wondering if we could kind of drill down there a little bit and talk about what your backgro how involved you really were with robots.

PP: Well, having been involved with trying to build flying saucers, you usually found that with flying sa at most of the movies, there always seems to be a robot involved with it, so I was very interested in robo

In the early days, when I built a satellite tracking station before there were satellites, then tracked the Ru when it was launched and called the government and told them the launch trajectory and the orbital and was transmitting on during the McCarthy era they thought maybe I was a Communist pinko. So they out that I actually had a satellite tracking station before there were satellites. I was about 17 years old at got a lot of notoriety here in Idaho.

At that point in time in Idaho on the eastern side of the state, there was a place that was called the Atomi Commission, a nuclear reactor test site. Its where the first nuclear power generation was done. Anyway, having some nuclear problems there and decided they need some robotic-type thing that could waltz into meltdown and pull the reactor apart, so that they wouldnt have a China Syndrome taking place.

So, eventually I, and a few of my friends, got the contract to do robots that could do that. I, naturally, ha myself and said: Oh sure. [laughs]

I found out a lot of things; that was a tremendous education. I found out that materials that were electrica inside of a heavy nuclear flux became insulators, and insulators became conductors, and DAVID WILCOCK (DW): Really?

PP: very stiff metals became like toast and very brittle and broke apart, or like ashes. Materials like as

hard, and grease became like welds...

So, eventually we built a couple of different types of... I wont call them robots, because they were truly They were devices that at one end looked exactly like we think of a robot looking. It had a pair of arms t and grip. Actually, we designed them so if you could grip a beaker of liquid, you could move it very rapi tilt it accordingly and not spill it. You could reach around behind you or in front of you, or out to the side

Then on the bottom of it, we had some that had three rolling wheels, and some had little tank treads. So, 1955-6-7-8 region of time. KC: At that point did they have AI?

PP: No, the term hadnt even been invented yet. So anyway, on the other end of this device that looked a robot, was a thing that a person got into. They had a couple of small one-inch television tubes with lense put those on and they could see stereoscopically. Then they had a couple of little hands that they could m and hands like it, and the robot would move accordingly the manipulator would move accordingly. KC: And there could be a distance, right? They could be back at

PP: There could be any distance up to 20 or 30 miles, but it required wires at the time. Later we made so on radio waves.

But for working with atomic materials, radio waves could be interfered with, a number of things. They c that type of lack of physical security, so all of them that we did for them had wires.

KC: So lets fast-forward to a lot more recently, or at least, may be not even recently. I dont know when really involved in AI and you started to...

PP: Well, first I got involved in computers. In 1975, 76 we built a computer that was used in Tokyo at th announce the plane flights in a number of different languages. It was the first use I know of a microproc real product.

Then later we built a computer training device to teach people how to use microprocessors and how to u accomplish various tasks. We built that at a little computer company whose name was Cyberdyne, and o who worked for us later worked on Terminator whatever-it-was.

KC: Well that was my next question. [Pete laughs] So, Im not sure how you want to answer this, but the Terminator, is not so far off base. Am I right?

PP: No, its not so far off base at all. Once we got those working and its interesting to note that the co used in the 1970s, there are more of those produced monthly than all the Intel chips produced in a year, e Because its a chip that was actually designed like a computer, whereas the Intel chips are not designed l

Intel is paying a lot of royalties to various people who worked in and on various chips that evolved over evolution of computer chips what I consider to be proper. We now have a chip thats very, very tiny, an of computers built into it that automatically look at the task and adapt themselves. So you may have 10, chips working on 30 processes all at once. KC: In the body of one robot?

DW: In a chip. PP: Well, in the body of one little, tiny tenth-of-an-inch-square chip. KC: Thats operating the robot?

PP: Thats operating a robot. But once we figured out the right language to use, and the right computer d then got involved with a number of people working on building an artificial intelligence chip that... wel the call on it was a fuzzy logic chip.

It turns out the only logic thats not fuzzy is fuzzy logic. Its a chip that can look at a number of different those make a decision thats correct.

So, with the robot, you can be looking at bumps on the floor; you can be looking at a doorway as compa can look at somebody standing between you and the door; you can look at the width of the door and the and decide whether it can go through it or not. It can go over there and manipulate around the person, go trip over the cat on the floor, etcetera, etcetera, all using fuzzy logic.

Then, because a chip was doing digital computing a fuzzy logic chip either does digitally (if its high-s [or] it does analogue computing it looks at things as we see them in the real world. The floor can be lo like it had millions and millions of little tiny bumps, or larger bumps; or it can be looked at analogue-wi sense the roll of the floor and move the wheels and so-forth so it doesnt tip over. KC: But, werent the Japanese really advanced in terms of robotics?

PP: Well, I can tell you that when I went to the Idaho National Engineering Labs, which is what the Atom Commission became, which was one of the nations largest research centers. Its in eastern Idaho. I think Ph.D.s that work there. The whole town is built around... in fact several towns are built around that cente on there.

When we went there visiting with super-capacitors that I brought out of the Ukraine, I got talking to som found out I was the one who built the manipulators, and they said they had a large contingency of Japane experts. This was in about 1987, 88, somewhere in there. They had a large Japanese conference over try manipulators and robots, and when they saw my robots they said: My God, we dont have anything like t world did these come from?

We said: Hell, weve had it for 50 years. [laughs] Soturns out it was only about 43 years at that time, b KC: So basically, you were working in Black Projects, werent you? PP: Well, one could say that.

KC: I just have a curious question and we havent gone over this ahead of time, so I dont know if you c this, but its not diabolical or anything. But, Im curious because I used to love robots, and sort of went o sort of studied, and was interested in how far theyve progressed with all of that. One of the biggest prob have was when they wanted them to walk upright like humans that they would fall over. How did you so

PP: Well, we did it much the same way that Dean Kamen built his two-wheeled scooter. Are you familia

KC: Oh, yeah, the... what do they call that? DW: Segway. PP: Segway. The Segway. Its very simple to do. KC: Which is? If you can say... PP: Well, you simply have a sensor that senses whether youre upright or not. And if youre not upright, fuzzy logic to put it back right.

BILL RYAN (BR): Presumably, thats the kind of stuff they put in the F-117. It would have fallen out of hadnt had that kind of PP: Yes, it would. BR: Right.

PP: For example, the programming language that we use is called FORTH, [spells] F-O-R-T-H. It should F-O-U-R-T-H, because it was the fourth major programming language, but in those days, computers wou characters, rather, six characters, so they had F-O-R-T-H. KC: Okay, so this kind of segues into mind control, because I also know that you worked with SRI [Ed. Research Institute], and you worked with Hal Puthoff, right? And I understand you probably knew Ingo of the people involved in remote viewing.

So, what I was wondering I think you were involved in MK Ultra and you can probably talk about tha declassified, right?

PP: Well, you can think about that all you want to think about it, and who knows whether its true. I don thats true. KC: All right. PP: I know that I worked in a lot of very interesting areas. KC: But you know that MK Ultra is declassified. PP: I dont know anything about MK Ultra. KC: Okay.

PP: I mean, Ive heard about it, and heard about it, and heard about it. I dont know anything about it. I k that came out of it, and I know that I researched some of those things, and I built things that I thought we turned them over to the government. But other than that, I really dont know. I actually dont know that m KC: Okay. Is it true that youre still on call for the government?

PP: Well, Im doing things all the time that I get calls on, for a number of different governments, actually member of the Astronautics Association for Mankind, which is the Russian equivalent to NASA. Im on directors. KC: So, why arent you on the board of directors for NASA if youre on the Russian board? PP: Well, mainly because I have no desire to be with a bunch of clowns. KC: Okay... PP: If I wanted to be with clowns, Id join a circus.

KC: So, youre really aware of the secret space program, in essence, and you know that NASA is someth for almost a distraction? PP: I havent been associated with them for years, so I have no idea what theyre doing. KC: Okay, but you said NASAs a bunch of clowns. Why are you saying that? PP: Well, because all I have to do is look at the products they have.

KC: Why are they still? I mean, I know theyre going to retire the Space Shuttle any day, but its basic going up in space. Why are they even dealing with that kind of technology at this point? Do you know?

PP: Because they have it and it works. They've had about, maybe It depends on how you look at realit what I consider to be about 10% of the budget that they really ought to have.

If you look at the things that came out of the space program through NASA, probably 50 to 60 percent o we use today throughout all industries came out of NASA: the metallurgy technology and alloys; the tem resistant plastics and metals; large-scale integrated circuits, you know, basically even the whole transisto

I worked in things like that. My cousin and I did quite a number of spy satellites. We did the sampling ar the Viking Lander to Mars, which, by the way, was run by a FORTH-programmed computer. So, I worked in and around that area. I worked with North American Rockwell. KC: JPL?

PP: JPL. A number of different places, and got to see the things that came out of there. I got to see brand were 20 years ahead of anybody on Earth actually applied, and things that were made from them, and th space, and they recorded things from space. The camera that youre shooting me on, the image sensor in basically made for use in outer space. Thats where they came from.

So, if you look at return on investment, there isnt a corporation ever in the history of mankind that retur the investment, even 10%, of the return on investment that came out of NASA. It literally transformed o whole new century.

Yet they take that, which is the only success story that I think man really has, and totally mal-funded it. N reason was that they wouldnt pay the appropriate amount of money to get the brainpower that they need

on worked for NASA, not because they got paid good money, but because they got to accomplish their d finally Congress snuffled their dream, they quit working for NASA, so now you had clowns working for have been a circus. Not that there werent great people there, and not that there arent great people there, but theyre totally sure. KC: Right. But theres also a lot of Black Projects going on under the table. PP: I dont know that theyre going on at NASA. KC: Really? PP: They may be. I dont know. KC: What about your familiarity with things like superluminal travel? PP: My familiarity hmm Well, no, I dont know anything about superluminal travel.

KC: Well we have testimony from Henry Deacon and from Jake Simpson, a couple of what we call whis which, in essence, is what you are at this point in your career, in a way. PP: Mmm well, in a way. KC: Okay, youre treading a fine line. PP: Treading a fine line. [laughs]

KC: And they are testifying that we have superluminal travel, that we have craft that go outside the Sola you say anything about that? PP: I know nothing about it.

KC: Okay. You told us, or at least you talked to me at one point about being a spymaster. Is that really tr PP: I dont know a thing about that.

KC: Okay. Okay, well, were kind of striking out here. Where do you think that we can go with all of thi PP: Well, I told you the things that Im [not] willing to talk about. [laughs] Now youre trying to get me them, and uh KC: All right. What do you know about a UFO detector? PP: I was asked to build a UFO detector when I was about 14, and eventually built one. KC: Okay. And its operational? PP: I have no idea when its operational. The best I know, they smashed it immediately.

KC: Whos they? PP: The government. Actually, the President of the United States at that time. KC: Really? Okay.

PP: Now, heres a problem with it. Id love to do something with it. Its a very simple, inexpensive techn KC: It's based on Wilhelm Reich's technology?

PP: No, it has nothing to do with Wilhelm Reich. Its based on science. The problem with it is that it wor manner that it will detect virtually every single type of thing in the universe. What that means is that it w anti-collision device that ever went on board an airplane, because it could see every other airplane in the good news. KC: Okay. PP: The bad news is it can see any stealth plane just as easily as it can see a damned dirigible. KC: So thats why they destroyed it? PP: I have no idea why they destroyed it. KC: Well, can we surmise that thats why they destroyed it?

PP: I have no idea. I dont know that it was destroyed. Im just telling you thats my feeling, because Iv KC: Well, you told me they took it. PP: Ive never seen one. KC: Well I thought you

PP: Yeah, they took it. So, what did they do with it? I dont know if they put it in their pocket or put it in the Smithsonian. I dont know what happened to it. But Ive never seen one out there in operation. I cou were one in operation. KC: But how could you tell? PP: Because of how it works. KC: Well, I mean PP: Im not about to tell the secrets of it. KC: I understand that, but you PP: I cant talk about it without telling the secret of it.

KC: You would know if somebody was operating your device? PP: Id know if anybody was operating one of them. KC: How would you know that unless youre operating PP: I would know that because of how it works. KC: Okay, would you remote view them, or would you be PP: No, not at all. KC: You have a tracking device on your invention? PP: It emits something that is absolutely unique to the device. KC: Oh wow. Okay. BR: Theres another kind of detector which was destroyed upon Presidential order, I understand. PP: Yes, there was. BR: Are you able to talk about that? Because thats a fantastic story. PP: Probably not. Its probably not healthy for you guys to talk about it.

KC: Okay, well I understand that you and I dont know if you can talk about this but my understandi robots, with any kind of device that youre operating using AI or any other kind of, as you say, manipula that there sort of has to be a fail-safe or a command override such that You call it a gatekeeper, I belie PP: No, a gatekeepers a product that allows that to take place. KC: Or not to take place.

PP: Or not to take place. And yes, theres a Obviously its like with atomic bombs and hydrogen bomb devices, and Cruise missiles and whatever, one thing you dont want is your enemy to get hold of it and So there must-needs be some methodology to handle that. KC: Are you able to say that you had a hand in creating some gatekeepers?

PP: Oh, I created gatekeepers, and whether they use it there or not, I dont have any idea. I just know the gatekeepers, or bought a lot of gatekeepers. I know that right now were in the process of negotiating a v for gatekeepers what I call gatekeepers. What theyre going to use them for, I really cant mention. KC: Would you call yourself sort of an inventor? How would you? PP: I have always billed myself as an Instrument Maker.

KC: Okay.

PP: I build instruments that see things, or hear things, or measure things that, heretofore, nobody else bu else builds something, I dont ever replicate it. I dont reinvent anybodys wheels, I invent my own whee KC: Okay. I want to kind of go into a different area that we havent really addressed at the moment, and if because obviously, I realize theres a lot youre not talking about, and theres some stuff that weve and all of this kind of thing. But, do you feel that youre protected? PP: Yes. KC: Do you feel youre protected on an Earthly level or on other levels as well?

PP: Definitely on an Earthly level. I have no idea about other levels. However, when you say feel, as com then I will tell you that Ive had a charmed life. KC: Okay.

PP: I can remember one time in Vietnam, standing in a firefight... And remember that basically only mac tracer bullets. Every fifth round, in our machine guns at least, is a tracer so the machine gunner can aim because theyre jiggling and bouncing so much you cant really use a sight well, so you want to see whe going and place them where you want them. So every fifth bullet goes out and you see a little red glow w going.

I was in firefights where the tracers were so thick it was like you were in the middle of a 30-foot campfi to the ashes, with a weed-eater whipping up sparks. I remember about the third time, I looked up and sai Big Al, all the way, [laughs] because I knew I was being kept alive. There was no reason for me to be ali of the Marine officers I went to Vietnam with were killed while they were there. They were there for 13 there for 23 or 24 months. But, anyway... KC: And to this day, you feel that youre protected?

PP: Well, Ive been in other places that were even scarier than that. And Ive done crazy things all my lif things fast rather than slow, and take it the hard way instead of the easy way, and so forth, and somehow of it.

You know, I get the biggest kick today out of some kids spilled a little tiny bottle of mercury in a town came and dug an Olympic swimming pool in their front yard and hauled all the dirt off, and charged them thousands of dollars to get rid of the mercury. Hell, I used to spill two or three ounces of mercury a day i was down in a basement, and the only thing it did, probably, is drop my IQ by 30 or 40 points, but KC: But that didnt really matter, considering how high it is.

PP: I used to go around with a piece of lead solder hanging out of my mouth. I must have spent 20 years solder sticking out of the corner of my mouth, getting that good lead. All that did was drop my IQ anothe KC: [laughs] PP: So, yeah, Ive been charmed.

KC: Okay. Have you been threatened?

PP: Oh, yeah. Ive been threatened a number of times, by just about every kind of person that would wan BR: You can make a joke about Bastard School as well. Thats a good one. KC: Well, that was what I was trying to get to, but BR: You can talk about Bastard School. DW: A.K.A. Terrorism School. KC: Can we talk about Bastard School at all? PP: Well, yeah. KC: Okay. And what was your experience with that?

PP: Well, I call it Bastard School. When I was an officer in the military, very obvious, I was trained in m was taught to be the biggest S.O.B. on the block. I got so good at it, they finally turned around and had m things, because it scared them to death. Because I was a mean, green, killing machine.

So, instead of teaching terroristic things, they had me teach anti-terroristic things. Then they in both ca were afraid that the enemy would learn what I was doing that was nasty; then they thought the enemy m was doing to disrupt being nasty. So then they moved me on to other things.

KC: Youve dealt with mind control in some ways, in some fashions. You know something about the min about this information field. Im wondering if theres something within the information field and/or the m interaction that can be set up to protect oneself against, lets say, mind control devices such as the digital now projecting you know, able to communicate with people in their houses and so on, so forth. PP: Well, thats an assumption that were making.

KC: Right. Im making that assumption, not you. So Im just asking is there something, some technique?

PP: There are things that were designed specifically. As an example, in the probably, 80s, the Russians h was... because it sounded like a woodpecker on the shortwave radio, was called the Woodpecker.

They had three large locations that were transmitting probably several million watts per location, and the a particular area, so they could move where the peak of that electromagnetic wave would fall. It turns ou places here they had it fall was in a town called Eugene, Oregon.

People there were getting sunburns while they slept at night, and they were getting headaches, and they defects and so forth. The Woodpecker had a very strong signal there and a highly interfering signal. It w psycho-active frequency, so that it would disrupt the appropriate thinking capabilities of the brain. KC: This is all documented, by the way, on the Net.

PP: Oh yeah. Its all documented on the Net. Also, a good friend of mine was the man who discovered th bombarding the Moscow Embassy with microwaves that had much the same frequency content.

So, there was a fellow that designed a little device that you could wear under the collar, which was provi personnel that we needed to make sure had clear thinking, that they could carry with them and it would s close-by signal... remembering that electromagnetic waves decrease with the cube of the distance. After distance, the signals very, very weak.

So you put a weak signal near the person, and drive their mind into a range of brainwaves that would be hopefully, beneficial. They found a very simple way to find out what was beneficial, and then a very sim the device so that it would put those waves out. They were carried by all types of diplomats and military years and years and years. KC: So, we can assume that the president and various people are using these devices to this day? PP: I would certainly think they would be. I know that I carry one around.

KC: Okay, and youre saying this person who invented it youre saying youre not the person who inv PP: I didnt say anything about it.

KC: Okay. But theres also a technique involved, such that one can do it without the device if one learns PP: Yeah, you can learn to hold your mind pretty much in whatever mode you want. KC: It has to do with the informational field, is that right? PP: No, it doesnt. It has to do with the electromagnetic field. KC: Oh, really? PP: Yep. KC: So you use your mind to affect the electromagnetic field? PP: No. You just use your mind to generate its own electromagnetic field at a benign frequency, or even frequency. KC: To counter it?

PP: To counteract it. Ill give you an example. You get three or four people that are very close, or two pe closer, and what youll get is youll get heartbeat synchronization which just occurs and then youll g synchronization. Then, unfortunately, or fortunately, depending on the situation, you get hormone produ hormones are very, very powerful messengers, and then you get into trouble, [laughs] or not. KC: Its a form of entrainment, right?

PP: Its a form of entrainment, and you get an entrainment. So, a very weak signal can give you great en

Nicola Tesla made a device that used compressed air, and it was a little weight. He could stick that on th of a skyscraper in New York and this thing would sense ground-wave oscillations and tune itself to them

So, it would start out very rapidly and slow down, and then it would find where it was affecting the envi resonate with it.

Its like if you have a wineglass here and you play your violin up scale, eventually youll find where if y quick, youll hear the wineglass vibrating. Then if you play that note exactly, pretty soon the wineglass w because just a little bit Its like pushing a swing. If you push the swing in phase, the swing will go push it out of phase, itll stop, it wont go very high, itll go high, and then low -- a number of things. Yo resonant or in phase.

So, thats what Teslas device would do. It would move a weight up and down, up and down, up and dow pneumatic pressure and pneumatic valving, and hed make a skyscraper just wag like a dogs tail... in Ne KC: So, isnt this like sort of the kernel behind mind control? Getting a very slow resonance set up, and one way or another? No?

PP: No, no no. Doesnt have much to do with mind control. But part of what you want to do, perhaps, control, is get your mind in a certain frequency. But thats old-style mind control. What you want to do n you want to look at neuro-linguistic programming, using the principles of neuro-linguistic programming powerful than getting a brainwave entrainment.

Brainwave entrainment will drop the IQ, itll drop the attention span, itll change the memory, so there a things that can be done there. But, what we use now is a thing that changes the way the brain is attached way the brain hooks together, and we just change the neural pathways.

You can cause a person to forget; you can cause a person to do things that they have no intention of doin a stimulus that would cause one thing, like a stimulus that would cause me to reach out and grab some w drink because I was thirsty; you can very quickly and easily change that stimulus to when I get thirsty, I grab a glass of water and pour it down my neck, pour it down the front of my suit.

KC: So, what about the idea that you were telling us about the piece of the heart? You could cut off a pie and give it to somebody who would recognize it a doctor who would recognize it as a part of the bra resonance on the PP: It would appear to be brain tissue. KC: And this is a medical fact, right?

PP: Its a medical fact. Theres a very good book that anyone who has a child that doesnt read this book [Kerry laughs] Im serious. Its called The Magical Child by Joseph Chilton Pearce, [spells] P-E-A-R-Cfollow-up books on it. For example, The Magical Child Matures tells you why that no center-city, father going to amount to anything, ever. They cant because their brain doesnt form properly. KC: Really? PP: Yep.

KC: A fatherless child? PP: Well, or motherless. KC: An orphan.

PP: A child thats raised outside of a normal family environment, lets put it that way. Thats much more you why that cant happen, why they cant really become useful to society. KC: Well, is this the thing you were telling us about the heart? Being close to the heart?

PP: Its part of it, thats part of it; thats just part of it. There are a number of different factors. But one of Pearce writes about in The Magical Child is, for example, that during the first 16 days or so after the am breaks, the child is exposed to the electromagnetic field from the mothers heart beating, and that field is whats in the brain cells in the heart, which are the emotions, and those emotions are transferred to the ch

So, they thought: Well that may be true. They went to Europe, where a lot of women have their children nurses who nurse them on their breast, and they find out that the child takes on the emotional content of children who are raised without a father never get the emotional the male emotions from the father, a female emotions. KC: But youre saying it happens in the first 16 days, after that PP: The greater part of it happens in the first 16 to 18 days. KC: Incredible.

PP: It turns out, for example, the Russians did brilliant and massive research on this. They found out tha born underwater in a fluid remember, the childs already in a fluid, it isnt going to hurt him to be unde while. The childs born under water in the fluid about body temperature and moved up, with contact with the breast.

Where, if you look at how you would naturally hold your arms and nurture a child, the heart of the moth of the child are going to be right next to each other. The child starts picking things up. If the child is kep for the first 12 to 14 hours, the child usually develops speech by six months of age and is able to stand o months of age. KC: Can you talk about that Russian doctor?

PP: I unfortunately I could if I remembered his name. I cant remember his name. He was brought t States... I can tell you that his techniques were used by Madonna in having her children. BR: We were talking about generating an IQ as high as 275 in the children.

PP: Right. I can tell you that her children are some of the most brilliant children on the face of the Earth know that she worked using those techniques for a year to a year and a half before they were conceived, ready. That could well be privileged information, but it leaked out to me, and I know it to be true.

DW: So youre saying that the heart has an information field component, which somehow entrains the fo

nervous system?

PP: No, Im not saying anything about the information field. Im saying the heart has an electromagnetic is there because the heart beats and it takes a large electrical current to beat the heart. DW: Okay.

PP: The body is bioelectric. Anything near a magnetic field or an electric field thats conductive, then, ha that come from the things around it that are electric or magnetic or conductive. KC: Okay.

PP: So, you can see that stuff in the heart field. The information not the information field the informa the just like programming a ROM chip transfers to the heart of the child.

As an example, one of the final proofs of this is: There was a man who absolutely hated the odor, the sig mustard, and got a heart transplant, and all of a sudden, couldnt get enough mustard. Just by happenstan the donor somehow got word to him that her husband loved mustard. So he had the heart; that came alon

A number of people were, in essence, SOBs, or were very tense individuals and they got a heart from a m very calm man, and all of a sudden, their wife and their children didnt even know who they were. They completely different person.

That information was encoded in there, and when the nerves were sewn together and some of them grew information got out of the heart. It may well be that the magnetic field of the heart transmitted, and the b

I dont know that. But, I know that we instrumented peoples hearts and would let them see things that w The heart rate picks up, adrenalins produced; maybe what they see causes anger or fear. And if you anes the heart, then they dont have those fears and those angers, and so forth.

So, that emotional information and some things like preferences in flavor, or color are transferred and tra So, its very important to get the child up into a nurturing position. Children who were nurtured by both have both male and female components. Children nurtured by one or the other have only the one compo emotional make-up. BR: And its the first 16 days that does it, is that right?

PP: Well, read the book. The greater part of it occurs in the first 16 to 18 days. And yes, maybe thats 30 another 10% occurs in the next 50 days; maybe another 10% in the next 180 days. KC: Okay, but very early on as opposed to later... PP: Very early on. You want to get that in there very early on. KC: Okay. I want to go in another direction.

DW: Wait a minute is there any other tissue in the body, besides the heart, that acts like neurological ti

PP: Oh, absolutely. Now, if you want, you can call the pineal part of the brain. Even though it doesnt do

its part of the brain. The pineal and pituitary are mostly a substance called melanin. A type of melanin m pigment, but theyre a slightly different kind of melanin.

I, in my research, have found that the melanin in the pineal which, in Eastern medicine is the third eye third eye is very, very, very good at picking up informational signals and adding a time content to them a non-time content, so its always been attributed to clairvoyance, clairaudience and so forth. Those are s taken out of a signal that appears to be everywhere, every-when. It coheres that for the person and they h abilities that they wouldnt have.

The Tibetans drill a hole in the front of the forehead with a little rock drill, and then they poke a bamboo manipulate the pineal to open the third eye. What it does is it gives it a hole through the Faraday Cage science terms, and it makes a sensitivity by making a piece of scar tissue that opens up, or opens the thir clairvoyance or clairaudience, or remote viewing, or remote influencing, or a number of different things. KC: Isnt it true that fluoride deadens or hardens the pineal gland? PP: Absolutely, but what it mostly hardens

KC: And since we have fluoride in our water, basically you could look at that as an Illuminati plot to dea intelligence and the psychic ability of the population. PP: What I try to do, as a scientist, is stay to scientific things. I dont presume about what the Illuminati KC: Okay.

PP: But, I can tell you that the main thing that halides which are chlorine, fluorine, bromine mainly w the body is congeal cholesterol into arterial plaque. I mean, thats well known. KC: So, it slows down the blood flow in the arteries.

PP: Yeah, it closes down the arteries. So there are many ways to sterilize water other than chlorine and fl many ways, for example, they say: Well, we use fluorine for tooth decay.

You have a whole fleet of boats up and down the West Coast of the United States and the East Coast of t that cant fish anymore, because weve killed all the fish, except there are bottom-feeders called... I won name of the fish, but theyre bottom feeders. Thats a fish that consists of... 60% of the weight of the fish about 60% of the liver is that particular fish liver oil, which contains a compound called Activator X b Price-Pottenger Foundation of years-ago fame.

He found out right after World War II that one drop of that... Well, you can take that fish oil, which is hig Get it cold; the waxes and false isomers will solidify. You can filter those out and the oil left over has ve taste to it. That oil, you can put in the sunlight and it wont turn rancid for hundreds of years. It should h place of sperm whale oil for lubricating watches, but they didnt use it for that. KC: Is this cod liver oil?

PP: No, its not cod liver oil. Its a different oil, but those boats could go out and bring back boatloads of grows from Antarctica to [the] Arctic and everywhere in between.

KC: What does that have to do with fluoride in the water?

PP: What it has to do with is that that oil, one drop put in a slice of bread eaten daily and you [will] h whatsoever; theres no tooth decay. It eliminates tooth decay. And they did this on thousands and hundre of children in Europe after World War Two. KC: And likewise you can guard against hardening of the arteries.

PP: Well, then you dont get the hardening of the arteries from the fluoride or the chloride. Now, what ha and Ill take the hit for this, lets put it that way. Its my conjecture that the only reason we use chloride i because the politicians have already spent all of the Social Security money, so youve got to have someth people die at retirement age. KC: [laughs]

PP: Then because of health care getting better, we had to have something else that made it happen even f fluoride in the water. KC: Wow. That's something.

PP: They could have gotten rid of tooth decay with an absolutely benign substance that we had a whole could go out and bring us back all we could ever use for the whole world, very inexpensively and totally in the body. But we didnt do that.

Now, the reason that that fish oil doesnt turn rancid is, obviously, because its an antioxidant. Its the be known to man as far as I know. Price called it Activator X. It has a definite chemical formula. It could de out there. But itd eliminate most of heart surgery; it would eliminate tooth decay, so its not put out ther isnt efficient in our capitalistic system. KC: Well, youre talking worldwide though, as well, right?

PP: Yeah, it would be worldwide. Like I say, we did it in Europe after World War II, for years, but we to X... By the way, theres a small amount of it in wheat germ oil, so that was taken from wheat germ oil. N found the ratfish had this stuff in, you know, massive amounts. BR: When you said Price, did you mean Dr. Weston Price? PP: Weston Price, yeah. So its my conjecture theyre only I mean the only reason I could see that we that is to kill people off. Why else would you do that?

DW: You're saying, about the pineal gland. Because I have a whole long section in my video that everyb of this audience has seen it, all about the pineal gland. So, youre saying that this oil, if taken, would hel pineal gland, or somehow increase its sensitivity? PP: If the pineal gland is calcified by halides, yes it would. DW: Okay. KC: But youre not naming the fish.

PP: I wasnt really naming the fish. KC: Other than the ratfish that you just talked about? PP: No. And thats not the KC: not the main source. PP: No, thats what its called in certain areas of the world.

KC: Hmm. Okay. But I was curious. You said something about, you know, theres camps being built aro States. Do you know the purpose behind them? PP: Yes. Theyre camps to detain people.

KC: Is this something that goes on the tail-end because Im looking for the agenda that goes behind th dollar, that basically youre saying is coming at some point in the near future, quite possibly. Right? Tha sources are telling you? PP: I think thats a great possibility. Im planning for it. KC: Okay. And then, on top of it, there are camps being built, and you can verify that? PP: Well, theyre giving tours of some of them, and you go on the Internet and youll find out that there locations where people say: Well, heres a camp thats built.

KC: Okay, and what about the role of viruses in eliminating the population? Is there any validity to that? PP: I have no idea. Its not my area of expertise. I have suppositions.

KC: Well you clearly are a healer, so have you got advice on how people can protect themselves from vi

PP: Well, I think all that advice is available if you just download it from the FDA websites or the various FEMA and Homeland Security. KC: Really? PP: Oh, absolutely. Wear a mask, wash your hands; theyre absolutely correct. KC: Okay.

PP: Another good thing to do is go someplace [where] theres not a lot of people. Were sitting here film theres not a lot of people. The town says Entering the Town on one side of the sign, and on the other sid it says Exiting the Town, and 1st Streets in some great big city somewhere else, because [laughs] theres street.

KC: [laughs] Okay. Well, so what is it that you think is coming in the future in terms of... Lets talk abou little bit. Do you think that theres anything out there that we need to be aware of?

PP: Well, I think therere all kinds of things out there [that] we need to be aware of. KC: Okay. I mean, is the only threat... In other words, is the only threat PP: Well its a major threat that we right now dont have any deterrent for. KC: What threat? PP: A threat from outside the planetary bounds.

KC: Well, what about the satellites that have recently been classified, such that they wont tell us about i Thats all classified suddenly.

PP: Well, that I dont know about. I didnt realize that had been done, but if its been done, its obviously some reason. And that reason may be to stop panic.

I know the government has a tremendous belief in: Whatever you do, dont cause panic in the people. Be cause panic in the people, then it draws attention to the lawmakers, the Senate, the Congress, the Preside ruling party. And theyre not looking...

You know, its like the old Chinese curse: May you live in interesting times. You know, try to live in time all interesting; theyre boring as hell -- nothings going to happen.

So, I think that anything that might happen that would cause people to start thinking about: Well, why isn being done here? Were out of money. Weve been out of money for years. So we dont have money to g about it, so why let the people worry?

KC: Okay, but you were telling me something about the fact that you think theres really only ten month of, rollout of what could be, like, reversing the agenda. I mean, I dont even know if you believe its pos the agenda thats being rolled out at the moment. Youve said weve got about ten months, because the E polluted our own nest.

PP: Okay. Herere just a few things that you can look up, and the things I talk about are things that are o the Internet; Library of Congress or a lot of things now on YouTube; a lot of things on, you know, Ask.c Google.com, and so forth. You can go in there and start making searches, and looking, and you can find information. Theres a tremendous amount of information. KC: About?

PP: About the things that you just spoke about, and specifically you can find out that oh, its about a co we just had a very near flyby of a huge asteroid that wouldve caused, depending on where it hit, thousa millions of deaths on the Earth, if it had hit the Earth. And it was a near flyby.

Now, maybe that nearness was 100,000 miles, but 100,000 miles is sure different than the distance betw Mars, or here and Pluto. It came by very close. It could have been one of those things that hit the Earth, nothing to stop something like that.

KC: Okay, youre saying we have nothing to stop something. Is it possible black people in black project

to stop that? [Ed. note: no reference to African-Americans intended] PP: No, I dont believe so. KC: Okay, and what about... PP: If they did, I dont believe theyve had the money to build it.

KC: And what about positive aliens? Do you think that they might interfere with something of that natur

PP: Well, if there are such things as positive aliens, I think that, yeah. You know, I wonder. I look at Eart the things weve done to destroy this fragile little spaceship that we live on going through space. You kn burning, we talk badly about all the burning of the rainforests in Brazil, and yet most of the oxygens pro plankton.

Our use of nickel-cadmium batteries, and lead batteries, and putting them out into the environment has k of the plankton. Cetaceans are beaching themselves so that theres enough food left for the others. KC: Because theyre that wise. And self-sacrificial.

PP: Well I think that they are, and of course, you had to have worked with them in some of the military p understand how wise they are.

KC: Okay, well Im going to have to wind this up. I would love to talk to you all night and all day, and e were able to come out with some of the more fascinating things that youre involved in.

But Project Camelot wants to thank you very much. I want to thank you for your service to humanity. Yo involved in some things that are healing for the population out there. Youre here, trying to testify to som that you firmly believe that people need to be aware of, and so I want to thank you.

PP: I appreciate your interest anything that can get information out to the people. And my suggestion t because this stuff is not really hidden. It may be squirreled away somewhere, but its there, and you can the information for yourself.

My suggestion is you do it. My suggestion is that you prepare yourself for an emergency, because no ma in life, youre going to run into an emergency. If you prepare yourself for it, then you stand a very good surviving it, and if you dont prepare yourself for it, you stand a very good chance of not surviving it.

KC: Okay. Thank you, and Pete Peterson, I really want to thank you again. Bill, you want to say any clo yourself? BR: I think this is the most important interview weve ever done. KC: Okay, and David, you got anything you want to add to that?

DW: Well, Pete, I just want to say I appreciate your courage for inviting us out here. I think that the data given about the consciousness and the information field is really instrumental in my work, and I hope we that discussion.

PP: Well, I think that well probably continue a relationship for a long time, and Im perfectly willing to information. Im at a point in my life that the only thing I can do now to make my life worthwhile is to s that Ive obtained as a stone rolling through this interesting experience of life on Earth. [music fades in]

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