com/index. seal. diaphragms and needle valve. any questions please contact us .proboards. Please state carburettor reference (stamped on upper body) number or make and model of car. Item 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 Description Washer for damper Bushing for damper Retaining ring for damper Screw & spring washer (x4) Needle adjuster Needle adjuster 'O' seal Screw fixing retaining ring (x4) Retaining ring Diaphragm Piston Needle securing screw Metering needle Vacuum advance take off Body Screw fixing for by-pass valve Washer By-pass assembly Gasket Trimmer screw Spring Throttle spindle seal (x2 ) Screw fixing temp compensator Washer Temperature compensator Sealing washer ( outer ) Sealing washer ( inner ) 'O' ring for float chamber plug Sealing plug Item 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 Description Screw & washer (long x4) Screw & washer (long x4) Float chamber gasket Float chamber gasket Needle valve Needle valve washer Float Float arm pivot Starter assembly Screw for starter assembly (x2) Washer for starter assembly (x2) Throttle stop screw Throttle stop screw spring Starter bracket assembly Clip (choke cable) Bracket fixing screw Throttle disc Throttle disc screw Throttle spindle Throttle return spring Throttle stop & fast-idle lever Lock-nut for fast-idle screw Fast-idle screw Tab washer Extension nut Piston spring Piston cover Community » General Board » mercedes w124 cold starting snags http://retrorides. Some of the other parts are available separately.Due to variations in the 175CDS /CDUS range parts may vary to the illustration depending on carburettor application Repair kits are available which contain gaskets.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=76446 .

but when its back at idle and I try and rev it it dies. 2010. 4:28pm right. 2010. as if its not getting enough fuel. if I pull the hose off it. leads. then chugs and starts idling in my opinion the idle is low at about 600rpm. The water temperature causes the spring to expand and contract and this adjusts the fuelling. Other cars which have the same carb like Volvos have a different set-up it seems. and it seems to only be found on Mercedes cars. Re: mercedes w124 cold starting snags Post by benzboy on Mar 2. or can you not get it to run that long to get up to temperature? The hose you pulled off will be a vacuum pipe of some description. it will rev up and go. 2010. ie not putting any pressure on the butterfly. it causes the idle to rise to about 1200 revs. takes a good 20 seconds cranking. and I figured it was the fuel filter but it cant be. could it be the coolant temp sensor? ive replaced plugs. Inside the casing is a bi-metallic spring as with most auto-choke set-ups. 2010. once it hits 2000 revs its fine. If so. which is virtually the same as what is on earlier W115 and W123 engines. then stalls. this 200 is now about ready for its mot. 7:14pm . I fitted a prefilter at the carb to monitor the fuel and its fine. Re: mercedes w124 cold starting snags Post by pjw on Mar 2.when I was trying to sort mine out I could find very few details. the choke mechanism is on the side of the carb. 6:10pm I think its the stromburg carb. then bites. small pedal presses. 5:42pm Does your car have the Pierburg or Stromberg carb? I suspect that it's the automatic choke that's playing up. then where should I be looking? I grew up on injection Re: mercedes w124 cold starting snags Post by benzboy on Mar 2. fuel filters. If this isnt the choke. 6:53pm OK in that case. Does it run alright once it's warm. it did this when I first rescued it. if I introduce air slowwly. I go to start it today after putting a new fuel filter on and its hard to start. rotor arm. thermostat. I think it's a Stromberg 175CDT carburettor. 2010. as soon as I put my foot on the accelerator it dies. Is the choke like a large actuator on the side of the carb with a vacuum hose to the inlet? From what I can see the engine vacuum causes it to either put pressure on the butterfly a little. plenty of fuel in it. air filter. so. everythings done bar some niggly little bits that arent required. Information on this auto choke is very hard to come by . with 2 narrow (about 12mm) water hoses going to it. but when I rev it when this is disconnected it will still cut out or at least really hesitate when I floor the accelerator. and the revs are rising because the engine is pulling in extra air. Re: mercedes w124 cold starting snags Post by pjw on Mar 2. fuels now clean and fresh.mercedes w124 cold starting snags Post by pjw on Mar 2. and its spring loaded? This is working but is always open fully.

I think it was you (i owe you a beer) that said it should be a switched 12v live supply? will this make a difference as its still disconnected. 2010. I had bother with one on a VW camper. I never managed to figure out what the electrical connection on it was for... Re: mercedes w124 cold starting snags Post by wilko on Mar 3.yes mate once its warm its perfect. 2010. . Re: mercedes w124 cold starting snags Post by tonycocacola on Mar 2. although that was mounted horizontally as opposed to that one ^^^ up there. pulls the needle down the jet to richen the mixture? If so. I just need to fond a switched 12v supply in the engine bay to wire it up. 2010.. 2010. it'd not be running at all. it always looked clean and dry when ive had it off but always up to try! Re: mercedes w124 cold starting snags Post by benzboy on Mar 2. again though would this cause my problems? surely this will just push a little more fuel into the carb after engine shutoff? Re: mercedes w124 cold starting snags Post by skyway on Mar 2.. lovely idle and revs freely and fine. Re: mercedes w124 cold starting snags Post by pjw on Mar 2. is this the bit youre on about? its part of a pdf which I found. 9:11pm yeah I think its the fuel stop solenoid. so dismantling and cleaning might help.I. can you fully apply the choke manually from the linkage and try it again? I would suspect the bi-metal element in the automatic choke might be worn out and not tightening up properly when cold . 11:01am Does the choke on this Stomberg work like the old skool manual chokes . 9:33pm cool thanks... someones taken the wire off previously for whetever reason.e. 2010. ill give it a go. 9:32pm On the W124 the distributor cap is prone to getting moisture inside when its really cold due to its positioning.your problem could be as simple as that? I used pop it off give it a wipe down inside and a bit of WD40 and away id go! Re: mercedes w124 cold starting snags Post by pjw on Mar 2. The part underneath is the cut-off solenoid. 2010.. so its just like a thermostat then? ill have to see if I can renew the spring or at least get into it tomorrow in the daylight..sometimes this happens because cack from the coolant collects on the element. 10:54pm Yeah that's the auto choke you circled. I dare say if that wasn't working. 8:45pm I'm no expert but the bit where the broken wire goes may be some sort of electro-magnetic fuel cut off? when you turn the ignition off it pushes a pin/ bar/ needle to stop the flow of fuel. I also have a broken wire on the solenoid on the bottom. which is in bloody russian.

2010. 5:52pm Is it definitely a Pierburg? As far as I know. Re: mercedes w124 cold starting snags Post by benzboy on Mar 3. the Pierburg is a twin choke carb and doesn't have a set-up that requires oil..when I press the accelerator the engine dies. I took the waterjacket off for the autochoke and tried starting the car. The Stromberg is a variable jet and requires oil in the piston damper. returning it to full action under idle. 3:59pm You know what they say about assumption. 4:47pm right its got ATF in it. there is often something that backs off the choke flap a bit under heavy throttle. Re: mercedes w124 cold starting snags Post by benzboy on Mar 3. . I would suspect the vac pipe on your carb backs off the choke under high vacum.then thats my problem? Re: mercedes w124 cold starting snags Post by pjw on Mar 3. I found this PDF which has a step-by-step stripdown and rebuild of the assembly. its the pierberg.It sounds like the vac pipe off the manifold is doing *something* to the choke . surely if I can just remove this thermostat thing thats inside the autochoke. filled through the top. From your description it defitiely sounds like you have a Stromberg. 2010. so disconnecting it is stopping it backing off the choke and giving you a bit more choke. it seemed to start a bit better but . Hope it helps. and try and start . ive just got in from work ans the carb isnt a stomberg. I'm going to have a look at the autochoke and see if its got any ATF in the top and try again. 2010. Re: mercedes w124 cold starting snags Post by pjw on Mar 3. 2010.and it does ok . I wish I'd known this when I had mine! It may have slight differences to the Mercedes one but it looks pretty much identical.on fixed venturi carbs. grr all I need is this sorting in order to finish it! is there a cold start valve on these? removing the cts plug makes no difference. 11:57am It seems later MG's with Strombergs have a similar set-up. which I reckon supports the conslusion that the bimetal element in the choke isn't fully operating from cold.

although I don't know what sort of set-up it has on these! . 6:49pm I don't know now you say that to be honest. but not the 2EE as far as I can see. As you say...Here's a pic of the Pierburg 2EE: Re: mercedes w124 cold starting snags Post by pjw on Mar 3. 2010. 2010. it says pierberg on the top as shown here: but looks a lot like the stromberg ones! :S Re: mercedes w124 cold starting snags Post by benzboy on Mar 3. Still it sounds as though the auto choke is the culprit. it's definitely a Pierburg. 6:58pm Oh! Erm. I don't have any experience of those carbs I'm afraid.

unless that pin isnt actually doing anything to the choke internals I suppose. 2010. before I start taking this apart (as ive never done it before) is there anything else this could be? the starting of the car is a little problem initially but its the fact its dying when I put my foot on the pedal thats more concerning. but I would think that the whole cold-starting system on these consists of the choke mechanism and nothing more.when I put the waterjacket back onto the carb I can turn it by hand before totally tightening it up. I'm not sure how complicated these carbs got in later years. yeah. 2010. ill whip it off tomorrow and see whats what. Re: mercedes w124 cold starting snags Post by pjw on Mar 4. 5:58pm Right ive taken the carb off and the only thing ive noticed is theres no gasket between the carb and the inlet. it didnt return all the way as the spring was a bit old. diagrams and info relating to the Stromberg 175CDT will also relate to this one I'd have thought! Re: mercedes w124 cold starting snags Post by pjw on Mar 3. someone has mentioned a "cold start valve". I didn't know that! In that case. 2010. it still almost cut out. Re: mercedes w124 cold starting snags Post by pjw on Mar 3. 7:28pm after having another look its a pierberg 175cd. 2010. 8:19pm I have to say a big thanks for the pdf file above. 7:36pm Ah I see.Re: mercedes w124 cold starting snags Post by pjw on Mar 3. presumably to introduce more or less fuel at startup. Now. whats this? Re: mercedes w124 cold starting snags Post by benzboy on Mar 3. 8:48pm the only thing I'm thinking is that when I moved the plastic pin (that would usually be moved by the autochoke spring) manually I even put it in both positions (ie fully one way. certainly looks the same and has all the same autochoke setup etc looks like they were fitted to saab 900s as well Re: mercedes w124 cold starting snags Post by benzboy on Mar 3. which is essentially a stromberg I think. Stripped the autochoke down and when the pin (which is moved by the bimetallic spring thing) is pressed down. 2010. so Stromberg became Pierburg at some point. Theres a little plastic window thing so I can see where its set. 2010. 8:29pm I've only ever encountered cold start valves on fuel injection systems. how do I set it? When cold should there be pressure from the bimetallic spring onto the rod from inside the autochoke or none at all? . Only question is benzboy . I wouldn't say that the choke is definitely to blame but I think it's a likely suspect. it seems to show the overhaul of exactly what I'm looking at. Stretched the spring a few mil to get it a little longer and it seemed to be a bit better. they fully the other way) with a cabletie and it didnt affect the engines response from opening the throttle.

12:48pm Mar 5.gap. . you'll see the fuel begin to flow through the filter. 6:04pm That set-up sounds a little different to the one I did on my 115 . Could this be the problem? I would have thought though if air was getting into the pipes or the system then fuel would be coming out of the car somethwere. Have you checked the diaphragm in the carb for tears / holes? Re: mercedes w124 cold starting snags Post by pjw on Mar 5. before tightening these three screws it will just spin in the ring. I wouldn't have thought that the fuel pump is to blame. I put an inline filter just before the carb. Last thing is the mechanical fuel pump. One thing I have noticed is the there seems to be little bubbles in the fuel. 2010. 2010. Its not under the plastic tray where they usually are. you'll find that the filter isn't always full.Hope this makes sense. 12:03pm. because it's much newer and I suppose they have made improvements for emissions etc.petrol. but then again you never know. anticlockwise lean so I suppose ive just got to get it on the car and have a play. 9:33am Right the carb is back on. but ive still got the same problem. Hmm. and I know its all working. As soon as the float level in the carb drops. Sorry I can't be more helpful! Re: mercedes w124 cold starting snags Post by pjw on Mar 5. and at the top of it (going to the carb) the fuel going in isnt one constant feed. is it behind the tank in the boot? Re: mercedes w124 cold starting snags Post by pjw on Mar 5. obviously if you spin it all the way clockwise it will cause it to run rich. 2010. The carb on your car seems to have a lot more "stuff" on it. 2010. I wouldn't have thought that the fuel pump is to blame. Re: mercedes w124 cold starting snags Post by benzboy on Mar 5. you'll find that the filter isn't always full. so ive been and got one but I cant find it anywhere. As soon as the float level in the carb drops. you'll see the fuel begin to flow through the filter.the choke housing just fit on one way as far as I can remember. 11:06am No fuel filter.gap. more of a petrol. cheers for your help again mate Re: mercedes w124 cold starting snags Post by pjw on Mar 5. 2010. 2010. its held in place by a ring over the top and three screws. but then again you never know. benzboy wrote: With the fuel flow. 2010. 7:50am Youve been more than helpful mate On mine you can rotate the choke housing by hand. Re: mercedes w124 cold starting snags Post by benzboy on Mar 4. 12:03pm With the fuel flow. but I cant find anything? ive just been talking to my dad who reckons theres a larger fuel filter (not the inline one) at the back somewhere.

Is it a case of stripping the carb down? edit I just realised its the bit behind the trangle plate.I'm a bit of a carb newbie though. Re: mercedes w124 cold starting snags Post by benzboy on Mar 6. 1:02am I'm a liar.Have you checked the diaphragm in the carb for tears / holes? I havent . 8:24am That looks like a proper Mercedes diagram. Hope the diaphragm solves the problem! l turn up tomorrow and ill see whether it has any effect. . 2010. 2010. ill have a look in a mo Re: mercedes w124 cold starting snags Post by pjw on Mar 6. once ive found a new diaphragm ill get it on thanks for all your advice mate. I found some guys over on a 190 site and got this: just thought it post it should anyone need it in the future.

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