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8WeeksOut.com’s Interview with Coach Buddy Morris
Joel Jamieson
Joel: Hi. This is Joel Jamieson, 8weeksout.com and today I’ve put together an interview for you with longtime friend and colleague Buddy Morris. For those of you on the website who may not be familiar with Buddy Morris. He’s a great strength conditioning coach, physical preparation coach, and I think I first met you back at the Verkhoshansky seminar in Chicago. Yes. A long time, but for those who don’t know who you are can you please just give us a quick rundown on your background as far as your coaching experience and how you got in this field to begin with? Absolutely, Joel. First of all, I thank you for the opportunity to be part of the website and thank you for this opportunity to be the first inaugural interview with you. I appreciate it. But I started back in 1980, graduated from the University of Pittsburgh, and during my time there since the campus weight room wasn't that nice, I actually went to Jackie Sherrill who was the head football coach at the time and asked for permission to start using the football players weight room early in the morning when none of the players are around. He granted me that permission. I had run track for the University of Pittsburgh up until I think my senior year I decided to give it up simply because I wasn’t going anywhere to be honest with you. So I started working indirectly with some of the players on their strength, on their speed because of my track background. Lo and behold he finds out about it, asked me if I could do the job, and that’s where it all started from. I started in 1980 in April, and I was hired as the head strengthening conditioning coach [for] the University of Pittsburgh, went to the winter of 1990. I resigned at that time because my oldest daughter, Cara, at the time was placed on a liver transplant list which she’s still on the transplant list but is doing exceptionally well. So I went to work in a private industry which is where I really got to be in touch with physical therapists and the value of rehab and pre-hab, and programming for athletes. In 1997 the University of Pittsburgh called me and asked me to come back. I went back in 2001. I got a call from Butch Davis of the Cleveland Browns, went to the Cleveland Browns until 2004 and literally sat around

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Joel for 16 months pulling what hair I had left out until I got a chance to go to the University of Buffalo with Turner Gill, and I was there for six months. Was very fortunate to meet my now wife Monica who has been a Godsend and then was asked to come back to University of Pittsburgh by Dave Wannstedt until a change of coaching regimes this year. So I’m back to where I was after Cleveland looking for a job. So this is my 31st year, Joel, involved in physical preparation. Joel: Yeah, that’s a long time. You’ve had one of the rare experiences of coaching in both the collegiate and the professional level as far as football is concerned. What are the main differences you’ve seen between the two levels from a coaching perspective and what is something that the people out there might be surprised to learn about coaching professional athletes versus collegiate athletes? Probably the biggest difference is the amount of time that you have to train them. The greatest amount of time you have to train a professional athlete is actually during the season when the physical stressors of the game is at its heightened level, so they’re already in maximum strength mode. Your job during that time is just to help them promote recovery restoration, quality and integrity, a lot of hands on work with massage during the season, and to really address individuals simply because some guys are playing, some guys aren't. You only have 53...it's just a whole different scenario, Joel. You're also looking at different age group. In college you got from 17 to 21 or 22. In the NFL, you got from 22 all the way up to 40. So when Tommy and I were in Cleveland we actually wrote programs for one to four years, five to eight, and then nine and above and also in the NFL you have this long list of injury. Joel: Buddy: Right. Because they’ve achieved, people talk about the process of achieving sports mastery, they’ve achieved the mastery of their sport. It’s the highest level. They’re not going to go anywhere else, so it is the highest level sporting activity. So the forces that are generated on the field and the stresses of the game are twice that than what they are in college. By that, in the NFL guys don’t have to panic like they do on the collegiate level, and they say the lifespan of an athlete’s game is equivalent to a lifetime of 10 mile an hour car accidents. People say, “Well, 10 miles an hour isn’t very fast” and it isn’t. But these guys are not made of steel, rubber, and iron, and glass. So there is a tremendous difference in training a professional athlete and training a collegiate athlete.

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it’s not a game. So when they leave the house. you have more control of their environment. you have to understand this too Joel. In the NFL you’re going to pick and choose your battles.com . that sounds exactly like what I kind of saw when I moved up from the University of Washington. In college.000 different other things that we can do so you don’t have to bench press. At least they should. Joel: Yeah. you can pretty much run the show and they’re going to do what you say. Right. so you give them options. Now. they don't care what you know until they know that you care about them and once they know that you care about them and you have their best interests at heart and in you're in a service industry now. You’re still training the body against resistance. you're servicing them and helping them maintain the length of their career because the average career in the NFL is like 2. it’s their job. it’s a very disciplined atmosphere. You don’t want to bench press today. here’s 1. I’ve seen you and James Smith and I’m sure Tommy. you have them all year around. No question. they leave at 6:30 in the morning and they go home at 4:00 in the afternoon after they watch film. These are grown men you're coaching and I've always said this. It’s definitely changes to a professional environment and you are there for them like you were saying.www. from years of service in the league to the fact that like you and I both agreed on. definitely. Talk about yourselves as physical preparation coaches and kind of moving away from the strength conditioning coach name. So training a professional athlete there's a lot of issues you have to deal with from injury standpoint. Is there a Buddy: Joel: Buddy: Joel: Buddy: Joel: www.3 years. it is their job now so it's more of a professional job work-like atmosphere. Like I said it’s not a game where in college it's still a game. And where in the collegiate level. And you’re still adjusting the program through the athlete and also the time because like I said it is their job. I worked with the Seahawks a little bit. Kids still have to go to class. I mean if they don’t want to do the work.8weeksout. It’s what they do for a living. So it’s a very businesslike approach. Right.com The professional athlete. Yeah.8weeksout. they’re not going to do the work so it’s up to you to sell them on why they should do the work and like you said let them see that you care about their performance and you’re there for them above all else. they really will buy into your program and do what you ask them to do.

1. Like I just said. Joel: Yeah. it’s probably not going to happen. but with the National Strength and Conditioning… I doubt it. your genetics. The strength conditioning coach I think kind of limits. No. nature does not deal everybody the same Buddy: Joel: Buddy: Joel: Buddy: Joel: Buddy: www.8weeksout. there's a development of alactic and aerobic power and capacity. Now getting back to the idea of physical preparation. if they don’t up with it they’re not going to listen to it. It was very nice when it came out. But it doesn’t encompass all that we are responsible for from a coaching standpoint. If they were we'd all look like Arnold Schwarzenegger. there’s rehab versus pre-hab. there's flexibility. it’s not in their textbook at least. What are the biggest factors. I mean it definitely is a more accurate term to describe what it is we do that’s for sure.com . The second is your environment and that's how you play the cards nature has dealt you. That's where you're God given. …and their hierarchy of who’s in charge. It’d be nice if the term catches on. …Association. there's stability. Contrary to what the Bible said all men are not created equal. I'd be thrilled and happy. but that's not the case. Yep. That takes into account all the physical attributes involved in the sporting activity itself. there's strength.www. what are the things that you look at as a physical preparation coach that you see determining the physical performance and the athlete’s success at the end of the day? I look at two factors to determine everything in life. Yeah.8weeksout. weightlifting and running and that’s it.com particular reason for that and what exactly do you see as the distinction or the difference between calling yourself a strength conditioning coach or a physical preparation coach? Buddy: When I hear the term strength conditioning. I think of two things. There's so much more that we have to be responsible for plus programming throughout the entire year. You know. but James and I and Tommy now and everybody else that have been prefer to refer to ourselves as physical preparation coaches because you are dealing with every physical component to prepare them for the sporting activity. there’s mobility. because somebody in the NFCA didn’t come up with it so… Yeah.

detoxification. yeah. I would as well. My 15-year-old stepson can figure that out and that's why we've taken the approach we have in training the athletes that we’re responsible for. continue to strengthen their strengths while bringing up their weaknesses and we look at everybody as an individual which makes it harder Joel because you're more actively involved in programming. Well. James and I or Tommy and Alan and Michael.www. helping these guys. But the problem with omega wave is unless you can get everybody on there.com deck of cards. Yeah. it’s hard and like the late great Charlie Francis made me aware of a long time ago. here’s what people don’t understand. Things are going to change Joel: Buddy: Joel: Buddy: Joel: Buddy: Joel: Buddy: www. you have general adaptation. So we look at athletes. cardiac. cardiopulmonary. I mean that’s just basic. …effects of training. So you have eight different systems that do not adapt at the same time to the stressors involved.8weeksout. You know. When you talk about the omega wave Joel. The stress of training is greater to the body than the stress of a broken bone because you have your local adaptation. you’re looking at seven different systems that must adapt to the stressors and pulls upon the athlete. central nervous system. hormonal. but that’s going to change throughout the year from being off season to the competitive season. And it's a proven fact no two people respond the same to the same program. when we look at athletes we always move them to their strengths.com . you really just can’t get around the fact that training is an individual process and there’s no way to cross over that or ignore it. The great thing about the omega wave is it allows you to train what is trainable. I mean. and our muscular system and I would add one more system in there and that’s the immune system. Joel: Buddy: Yep. When you look at the omega wave everybody has a base foundation. Yeah.8weeksout. I mean that’s just the way it is. metabolical. The way you respond to stress. Right. and that’s definitely something I’ve been preaching for years and I’m sure all of us who have used the omega wave and seen the individual… Oh.

when I look at drills Buddy: Joel: Buddy: Joel: Buddy: www. Everybody’s ability to accommodate stress. Not everybody can do that. We’re looking for that quick fix. Joel. At the time I thought it was a great idea. Lo and behold. youth. but as you get older.8weeksout.8weeksout. go for it. the get rich quick scheme. let me jump ahead of you here… Sure. Joel: Buddy: Exactly. but everybody’s ability to adapt or accommodate that stress is different. One of their biggest problems. that new mythical miracle magical pill that’s going to solve all problems and it doesn’t exist Joel. It’s not short-term. 1 training is a long-term process.www. but that's the biggest mistake that's being made on the collegiate level and the only reason we’re able to get away with it is for one word.com tremendously in the human body. it must have been when we met at the conference in Illinois and he talked about categorizing high stressors and low stressors. Remember the Bulgarians choose their weightlifters on people that can tolerate high amounts of stress. I just talked about. you can't. There’s periods of loading. One of the four factors I look at when I look at my programming is No. You’re not going to train an older athlete like you train a younger guy. is different and I truly believe you have to build recovering restoration into your program which is the value of the high/low approach to training. Joel: Definitely not. he developed a high/low approach and that is so valuable today in training in athlete because you cannot be C and S intensive everyday. So would you say one of the primary roles or maybe the role of the physical preparation coach is simply managing the stress so that the athletes are able to adapt successfully to it and see the outcome they’re looking for? I’ve always said better to under train than over train an athlete.com . When I look at programming. You’re not immediately better after what you just did. James Smith who was my assistant at Pitt these last four years is a genius. He called me back and I forget Joel. No. Younger people can handle an enormous amount of volume. …briefly is we’re over volumized in this country and being said in society more is always better. and there’s periods of deloading. But I’m a firm believer that the human body will adapt to stress. You must slow cook it for gradual loading. He sent me his original manuscript.

positional demands.8weeksout. He had to weigh what was unnecessary and became very directed. the greatest resistance we all have to overcome Joel. Joel: Buddy: Right. in a split second you have to overcome somebody just as big if not bigger in a force. it’s gone. So do you train the same? In my opinion. He always said. That’s the only time that James and I or me and Tommy or me and Al will use those types of workouts.com for my athletes if I can't find a good reason to keep a drill. he became more single directed.000 moves. He got rid of all the unnecessary things. Now if you look at skilled guys. the greatest external resistance we all have to overcome is our own body weight.000 times. Even at my age of 54 now. So I’m constantly analyzing and re-analyzing the drills we do and if I can’t find a good reason to keep it.www. 75% or less. he became fancier. 300 yard shuttles. waste of time in my opinion. 20-year-old kids and you remember what it was like to be 18 and 19. It’s that simple. 95% or above. And the third thing that’s important is looking at position requirements.” So you have to look at training Joel as a long-term process. no and that's when I started programming back when I was in the NFL in Joel: Buddy: www. you're looking anywhere from 160 to maybe 195 and you’ve got some bigger skill guys for linemen. I've dealt with football all my life. That's a significant difference. Fear the man that has one move that he’s practiced 1. In football. But a lineman.8weeksout. and plus. 1-10s. Yeah. I still remember what it was to be those ages. And there’s such a tremendous value to the tempo work whether the development of the aerobic enzyme] and myocardial energy production which is what Val has always talked about with the omega wave. exactly. He had become more technical. you're looking at 275 lbs.com . Everything else is based on what Charlie Francis talked about. You have to get their attention sometimes. The second thing you have to look at is the energy demands of the sport. 19. The only time I’ve ever used those is like we said in college you’re in a more structured disciplined environment so you got to discipline them or when you’ve got to get their attention which you have to do because they’re still 18. Football is an a lactic aerobic sport. I get rid of it. “Don’t fear the man with 1. Not all sports use the same energy system. People don’t understand why Bruce Lee became better at fighting.

Everybody has a weakness and it’s your job in my opinion to find the most productive ways to train your athletes and to address the training of the individual. speed work is different. I think one of the bigger issues we run into is the strength conditioning coaches or physical preparation coaches don’t have a clue a lot of times what is being asked of their athletes on and off the field by their skill coaches and a lot of times they don’t really understand their energy demands. I have Scott [inaudible 0:16:42. They're completely different entities. It’s one of the bigger issues in the strength conditioning and physical preparation is that you have a done a tremendous job of looking at the needs of the sport and looking at the needs of individuals. If you want to learn anything else you have to go above and beyond.8weeksout. "Tommy. it's all different because they have different requirements and last but not least is you have to look at the individual. Joel: There’s a couple of points that you touched on real quick and I want to go over something. I don’t mean to interrupt you. Everybody needs something. this is going to be his eighth year. Charles Poliquin. There's no way I'm training them the same. They only teach you what they want you to know. exercise selection.2] this is his first year. Buddy: Joel: Buddy: Isn’t that amazing? It is. www. So you understand from a physiological standpoint what the skills of football require.com Cleveland and Tommy and I could look at each other and say. you know what? I’m not that smart. loading. what the game of football requires. Nonetheless.www. and I’m training guys now who are in the NFL. I’ve got Shante Spencer who I rehabbed his ACL two years ago. But with the separation in our country at least of strength and conditioning and the skill development side. I'm responsible for the small guys. Ohio.com .. I've seen coaches at the collegiate level barely understand the game of football and they're working with a football team so. So those are the four factors that I look at when I look at programming and when I look at developing programs for sporting. strength training. Joel.. totally changed how I looked at the field of physical preparation. and that’s why back in 1977. We suffer in this country from academic myopia. they don't really understand the game itself. Made me realize.8weeksout. I went to the Mega Power Conference in Cleveland. and what they’re being asked of from their football coach. two speakers – Louie Simmons. you're responsible for big guys." The running is different.

You know. Aside from like we talked about just the idea of strength coaches or physical preparation coaches and trainers maybe don’t do the best job of understanding the needs of the sport and they tend to let their athletes over train because of the. And one of those things I wanted to have you talk about is the physical therapy and the functional training world. Make sure you’re totally hydrated. Joel: Buddy: Yeah water. The other thing I think that’s influenced our industry probably negatively more than anything else is the marketing aspect. Definitely. selling the bands. Oh. but it’s one thing I had to teach younger athletes or younger strength coaches to make sure your athletes are always properly hydrated and you’ll have tremendous success. the quick buck. Joel: www. and there’s training methods.8weeksout. I have figured the fact that all programs work but only work for so long. but a lot of it is being driven by the desire to sell equipment. and the balls. But in recent years there’s been a big push of the physical therapists kind of working their way into our industry.com . That there’s products. Buddy: Joel: Buddy: Joel: Oh. because I know you do come from a rehab/pre-hab background from an educated standpoint. like you said. the perform better. My personal opinion is there’s a lot of value to it if it’s used properly.com And the other thing I figured out in 31 years of doing this Joel is that I haven’t figured anything out. the P90 Xs. It’s the marketing driving the training rather than the training driving the results or the results being based on something scientific. I always stress that to my athletes is you must be totally hydrated pre and post-workout. right. yeah.www. and every other thing known to man. We’ve all sent the cross fits. The human body is electrical current conductor of electricity. nothing works forever. yeah. Buddy: No question. don’t get me wrong. push of this country is more intensity. the fast results. I’m always real big and all my staff and all the people I’ve worked with with hydration of our athletes. I can’t express to you the value and importance of that.8weeksout. all the functional training stuff. and there’s everything being pushed to athletes and coaches from a marketing perspective. The human body was designed to adapt to external stimuli for one reason and that’s survival.

I’ve heard Kevin Wilkes speak. Never ask a physician how the surgery went immediately following the surgery because you get the same response. blah. Vonda Wright with the University of Pittsburgh. and I'm not standing in the back watching a telemonitor or prompt Joel. I believe pre-hab and rehab in their place is very important in designing strength training programs.0 . Wait a couple of months Joel and see how that changes because you’ll get this.2] with the Cleveland Browns. blah.com Joel: If you could give us your thoughts on that whole distinction maybe between how do you see rehab/pre-hab and performance and how do you see them coming together and what do you think of the current kind of training trends of the physical therapist inundating the business? My very close friend who’s almost like a brother to me is Michael Hope who I think is one of the best PTs I’ve ever been around.8weeksout. So [inaudible 0:21:41.5]. I said. Physical therapists are smarter than I’ll ever be. "Never ask a physician how surgery went immediately following the surgery. I'm actually standing right behind the physician as he or she is doing their repair work. and that's why I tell people when you've had surgery you're not fixed. then I'll go up to the physician and say. "How did the surgery go?" Even when I'm in Buddy: www. you're repaired. I’ve been around Alan De Janeiro. tremendous.sounds like micro] flaw in a movement pattern that's going to lead to a catastrophic injury later on down the road. They always go over to MRI with me.com . There’s a difference. Everything went great. who’s Jimmy Andrews PT from Birmingham South. it was Dr. you know. when we went in there we saw some things. I've been to cadaver labs. they're going to exist with every individual athlete where if I can’t figure it out Joel. but I find it hard to believe that you could find a [inaudible 0:21:19. Ask any surgeon and here’s my advice to any young strength coaches who are going to get involved and you should as a strength coach be involved in pre-hab and rehab and the rehabilitation of your athletes from program modification to help get that athlete and return them to 100% of their activity. “Well. [inaudible 0:20:51. One of the things I started doing when I was with the Cleveland Browns is I actually went into surgery with our physicians and watched the repair that was done.8weeksout.” blah." I'll wait 6 to 8 weeks. I told James.www.8 . they explain what was going on during the course of surgery. I’m not afraid to go outside and bring somebody in to help me figure things out and that’s where Michael Hope and Alan have proved to be so valuable to me. So I never ask a physician [inaudible 0:22:46.sounds like whether] there's going to be certain issues or problems especially in movement patterns.

"He sprints. and he’s the world record holder. But here’s what physical therapists don’t have to do. It doesn’t have to be all the time. very directed. and I think there is a valuable role for physical therapists and the pre-hab [inaudible 0:24:10. and they probably are more intelligent than www. regurgitating what Stuart McGill says trying to make themselves seem like they’re the most intelligent people in the world. what they're doing. Seeing all these movement screens. They can maintain an [inaudible 0:23:58. very basic. How hard is that?" We're trying to create circus acts in this country so like you said people can generate revenue. Something Louie Simmons always told me a long time ago. With that being said I think when we start training our athletes all pre-hab and rehab work. I still won't ask them.” Can you imagine somebody trying to tell Michael Johnson that he’s got to get more of a forward lean when he’s runs instead of going straight back. There’s a lot of guys out there just regurgitating what Michael Hope says. We always take our athletes through a [inaudible 0:23:36.8weeksout. he does jumps.www. you won’t buy into all this stuff out there. But I think it is important. I refuse to talk to them until 6 to 8 weeks later where everything has been done and you're in the room with them and they're communicating with you. especially pre-hab. but I still hold off to wait to ask somebody how the surgery went because you’ll get a big difference in your response from a physician. very simplistic.9] heart rate or heart rate elevation and then the next 15 to 20 minutes Joel depending on the workout day is all pre-hab work. We have to ask our athletes Joel to handle heavier and heavier loads and that’s the significant difference. repair work. Yes. It may just be a peculiarity to the athlete.2].1] warm up.3]. he throws a ball. should be done pre-workout.com . they restore movement patterns with very light loads. We look at those areas of the body that are more prone to injury based on the sport and we address those concerns. Charlie Francis always told me a long time ago. here's what we're going to do. I do think it's important to train an athlete unilaterally.com surgery with the physician and they're explaining what the process they're going through. and it can be in your warm up before you start your actual strength training program. here's what we see. here's the injured tissue. “If it’s not a true flaw.8weeksout. you know what Joel? Everyday is a movement screen with your athletes. don’t mess with it. and he lifts weights. It's on a [inaudible 0:24:55. So if you’ve actually read and you understand training methodics and you understand the athlete and training the athlete. So I still look at also what the best athletes in the world do.

you still have to be able to coach and train your athletes. I understand the team concept and you can have team runs if you want. and everybody else falls in between. I think you touched on something that needs to be addressed and there’s a difference between rehabbing an injury and restoring a joint to normal function and asking that joint or that muscle group to perform under high stress. and don’t get me wrong because I admire what they’ve tried to do for strength coaches. I think what the NFCA has done is. It’s just like we teach an athlete to train. or Tommy and I or whoever my assistant was at the time. but when it comes to a multi-disciplinary very intricate approach to the training methodic or prepare them for their sport. I’ve always believed in coaching small groups. We have to learn to train. Yep. 100 athletes and 4 teams.8weeksout. high loads of high speeds and those are totally different things.8weeksout. Joel: Yeah. Then we train them to compete and then we train them to win which is the ultimate end byproduct of what we’re trying to do. Joel: Buddy: Right. we bring in this freshman the very first things we go through is we train them to train. When James and I bring. One thing real quick maybe you can touch on is like we’ve been talking about the individual needs of the athlete. I don’t believe in running cookie cutter programs as you and I have talked. 5 teams. definitely. but still have the ability to train an entire team? How do you weigh those factors? No. how do you suggest being able to individualize as much as possible or take into consideration individualization needs. But when push comes to shove. but they’re trying to make it seem like there’s only one program to end all to be all. they did not hire me to facilitate the facility or the athletes. 1. Joel. I mean. some people never get it.com . How have you been able to address that at the collegiate setting where a lot of the strength coaches out there get their start. I think you're better off Buddy: Joel: Buddy: Joel: Buddy: www.www. training our athletes.com me. Anybody who runs a cookie cutter program makes me nervous because some people get it. Definitely. Expecting the methods that restore normal function to be the same methods to improve to high/low performance is just foolish really. They hired me to coach athletes. then they’re working with 50 athletes.

8weeksout. Let’s communicate. To me everyday is a dynamic functional assessment of all athletes as you watch them move. you have to be able to address it. his programming to my environment. the better you’re going to get. you asked me what did I do with an athlete the very first time I saw him? I take him through an active dynamic warm up." That's egotistical. This is the only way to do it. Joel: Buddy: Right. So I think it's very important to coach in small groups. then you're going to be able to identify weaknesses. and especially we don’t use maximal loads all the time. Well anytime you do your test the first time. And when athletes fail you have to understand why the athletes failed. I want to see his balance. you’re not going to be that good at it. my athletes. I never hired assistants who I wanted to be mini mes or clones of me or go out and say.com coaching in small groups and you’re better off hiring an assistant who can think. So maybe 10% of the time we're at maximal effort during the course of a full week block. I want to see his stability. These are your guys you’re responsible for. I've adapted his methodics. I want to see his mobility. This is his program. and you have to be able to correct it to give every athlete an advantage to develop upon his and/or her own athletic abilities and potentials.8weeksout. but when you impose a maximal effort on somebody. Here’s my guys I’m responsible for. my circumstances. Just giving them a test and watching them perform a test. That’s the learning process. they make me better.6 – sounds like analyses] and sprint because just doing that can tell you a lot. Let’s talk about the program. I love Louie. I want to see his understanding of movement patterns [inaudible 0:29:12. the first thing that’s going to happen is their technique going to deteriorate or suffer.1] awareness. I think it’s very important that you have an assistant who is very smart and www. The end result being this is your guy. So I prefer to look at my athletes on a daily basis and watching them. You know. People think I’m highly westside based.com . I want to see his [inaudible 0:29:10. they make me smarter and they decrease my workload and that's what we try to do probably since 2001 when I went to the Cleveland Browns. One. I've always hired people who are smarter than me Joel for two reasons. That's not a lot Joel. The more you do it.www. get him better and that’s where it becomes very valuable to watch your athletes everyday when they warm up. Let’s talk about things at the end of the day. "Buddy Morris is God.

com . And if you look at Malcolm Gladwell's book called the Outliers he discusses why people become successful Joel. somebody that’s going to make you better.8] two primarily neurological [inaudible 0:32:13. It’s definitely out there. but I always believe that the human body is incapable of [inaudible 0:32:11.8weeksout. Olympic lifters need to achieve at least 10.000 reps to become average at their sport. then get out. That’s one of the things I’m against in this profession. And by that I mean if Olympic lifting makes you a better football player. and he looked at all successful people from Bill Gates to the Beatles to Wayne Gretzky.2] skills that don't support each other. then why we even recruit football players why don't we just recruit Olympic lifters. Is there any advice you have when you may get stuck in a situation like that where you just feel like the guy’s not meeting your needs? Buddy: Well from an athletic standpoint. somebody you can trust.www. But there’s a thing he refers to as the 10. it’s their system. Now. they’re not improving but they just feel they have to go with it.8weeksout.000 hour rule or in lifting I’ll call it the 10. Quit trying to create mini mes. you’re up shit creek because it’s the program.000 rep rule. The athletes may not see the benefit of what they're doing or they feel like they're not getting more explosive.com understand what you’re trying to do. and these are guys Joel: www. you got to run it. There’s certain types of lifting I don’t agree with with football players. People forget that the most important criteria. just have a bunch of mini mes so your ego can be stroked and so you can sell product and make money. How would you suggest they address that? Because I know there's a lot of assistants out there who have questions about why their training coaches is doing what they're doing and rather than ask them or rather than bring something up they tend to just go with it or athletes as well. from every different walk of life and obviously it’s being born in the right place and the right time. Joel: Buddy: Okay. Obviously everybody knows I do not do Olympic lifting. let’s say the assistant strength coach or maybe an athlete and a team doesn't necessarily agree with the training principles or with what the head training coach is doing. I think Olympic lifting is a great sport within itself. That’s not what the profession is about. from the athlete’s viewpoint. I’ve always told people as strength coaches we’re one small entity involved in a program. If you can’t function in the system. the most overlooked is still the ability to play the game.

That’s a constant work in progress and the same thing about bench pressing. [inaudible 0:33:44. There's so many factors you have to look at. you coach what you know. If you want to do it . I think you have to look at the man in the sport. Like I said.www. "The Olympic lift. Yeah and I agree with you on that one. You know.1] to skin a cat. How many guys actually take the time to teach their athlete a bench press? How to get setup.9 . I just have never done it and our athletes have always gotten bigger. Joel: Buddy: Yeah. Then again. how to load. “You know what? We got great squatters” because we don’t. well why are you going to do it? Let them master the basics first. and more explosive.0] sprints.com . but we're not very good at it. But it’s no different from maximal [inaudible 0:33:43. I’m not taking a shot at guys who [do] Olympic lifts. it’s their sports.that’s your business. I'm trying to get the most bang for my buck for my athletes in the shortest amount of time. Again. how to lock it. Yeah. It drives me nuts when I talk to a coach and he says. Understand there’s many roads lead to [inaudible 0:34:48. I am not against Olympic lifting.sounds like pyrometers] and explosive med ball [inaudible 0:33:46. Olympic lift. faster. how to reverse it. If your sport produces force directly vertical as you do in Olympic lifts and by all means. It's just not one way. It’s a primary concern.. how to take the bar out of the rack. Trust me. the highest recruitment or activation is with the Olympic lifts.how to put it back in the rack.4 .com that are doing it 365 days a year 52 weeks a year. I’m just saying it does not have to be done like it’s been jammed down our throats for so many years.. stronger.sounds like defend with it]. So why would I train them to be something that they’re going to be less than average at? And again.8weeksout. And the biggest thing is if you look at a motor unit activation chart.0] which is easier to teach which I'm going to get the most bang for my buck. how to get setup tight. how to [inaudible 0:34:21.000 reps.8weeksout." If you’re not very good at it. which if you buy Charlie’s products and you listen to Charlie speak. I’ve been doing this for 31 years and I cannot look at you and say. If you’re a high jumper or Joel: Buddy: Joel: www. definitely. In 3 to 5 years the athletes I’m responsible for will never ever achieve 10. That’s what they compete at.

and the technical aspects of teaching the Olympic lifts like you said. But if your sport isn’t one of those sports… Buddy: Joel: You don’t need it. very few opportunities and times in combat sport where you’re producing force from the ground straight vertical. I see a lot of people these days wanting to use the Olympic lifts for fighting and I’m sorry but there’s very. Joel.3]. [inaudible 0:36:32.. Guys doing hang clings and pulling their feet off the ground. …you don’t need it. If you’re going to try and teach them Olympic lifts on top of that. He loses contact with his sport [inaudible 0:35:53. Particularly in combat sports. especially a lineman. It’s just now a very common movement… Naw. As football players we spend all our time in acceleration and deceleration. But I can do a standing broad jump I think is more important for a football player. 3 hours.. We'll never achieve maximal speed on a playing field or playing surface. When is the last time you saw an Olympic lifter pull his feet off the ground? Nope. what I want to say.8weeksout. We spend all our time in the horizontal plane.8weeksout. I mean… Can’t do it. There’s… You’re going to confuse the body and here’s what kills me. The elastic reactive response that propels the human body forward does not come into play until you're running 7 meters or 7. …you can’t do it. There’s certain indicators that will give you a great understanding or give you a great.com . than going into a vertical plane. then I can see the use for it. . Joel: Definitely and in combat sports even worst. There’s so many skills of fighting to learn.com some sport that requires tremendous vertical acceleration.www.6 yards a second and that doesn't happen until 14 or 16 meters that’s in a vertical plane. whatever training the skills of fighting. 4 hours. The late great Charlie Francis will tell you that. There’s even less of that in a combat sport and yet you see a lot of guys thinking that the Olympic lift is really the only way to be explosive so all they're going to do is train Buddy: Joel: Buddy: Joel: Buddy: Joel: Buddy: www. So train in the horizontal plane.5] signature athletes can do. let alone they’ve got to spend 6 hours.

I’m not telling you how to program. Again Joel. Joel: Buddy: Joel: Buddy: Joel: Buddy: Joel: Buddy: Joel: www. I guarantee.www. Yeah. exactly. It’s your decision. The first thing and people just [inaudible 0:37:30. The only thing I'll say real quick is worst than that is trying to do that for time in the old cross fit doing clings for 2 minutes straight as many reps as you can get. but then you’re going to do it for 2 minutes straight.com explosively and they think Olympic lifts are the most explosive lifts so that's what they're going to do. the first thing goes out the door is technique. You can’t tell me how it works driving to achieve perfection technically wise because they’re very technicallyoriented lifts. Definitely. That’s an open invitation for a highly technical skilled moved. Exactly. It’s just some people use them and they think they get benefits from them and more power to them. I couldn’t agree more. I just made it my decision I’m not going to do them. I mean how many of those are explosive? [inaudible 0:37:39. No question. we can argue about it just like an atheist and a Christian can argue about who’s their God. I agree.4]. If you like the Olympic lifts. That’s your decision.8weeksout. but like I said that’s your decision. Or just the fact that you say you want to develop explosiveness and power with them. [inaudible 0:37:46. There’s pros and cons and we can sit here and argue all day long. I’m not coaching an Olympic lifter.6] because your last rep is not going to look like your first rep. you’re comfortable with them. it’s crazy. that’s an open invitation for injury. Buddy: Joel: Buddy: Oh yeah. I’ll start doing lots of Olympic lifts but until that happens. if you want to do them do them. …I tend to not use them a whole lot. If I ever coach an Olympic lifter. but… Yep. Yep.1] fatigue. I’m coaching football players. I’m not telling you how to coach your athletes.com . Fatigue sets in.8weeksout.

James Smith. Once Joel: Buddy: Buddy: www. I don’t see our Olympic lifters playing football. your decision. So in my mind I'm thinking. you do what you want to do. and I don’t see us recruiting Olympic lifters to play football.com Buddy: Again one more time and I don’t want to harp on the point Joel. we better find another way. Think what happened and I started in the profession in 1980 and in 1984 the NFCA was developed. its failed miserably because I haven't seen [inaudible 0:39:32.7] year and put them and help in a more selection pool for the Olympic lifts. I love watching it.1]. but were the biggest things you’ve changed over the years as a physical preparation coach? Well. But like anything we do in this country. then maybe we can push them towards an Olympic sport or Olympic progression of getting them involved in the [inaudible 0:39:21. but it'll only get you about 2 years. if they don't make it to the NFL. the more I’ve realized what I don’t know and the more I understand that there are people out there who are pretty doggone good at what they do. how has your approach to the training evolved over the years? I’m sure it’s continually evolving and it’s going to be different in 10 years from what it is now. Alan De Janeiro. you’ve been around this sport or this profession I should say since it really was a profession. It amaze me in the NFL how I get guys from all these top programs first 2 years they make great games obviously because they're a novice. You know.sounds like not stand] on the platform since 1968 when Irv Schmanski won bronze medal. not anything but most things. I was just a progressive overload guy [inaudible 0:40:53. Then playing football should make you a better Olympic lifter." And again. and antiquated. B equals A. then if A equals B. Joel: Definitely. I just don't think it's for football and again like you and I have discussed. I'm a firm believer that part of the reason the NFCA was developed was to filter athletes into the sport of Olympic lifting. "Well. Tom [inaudible 0:40:44. Michael Hope and of the countless amount of interns we've had. I think it's a great sport. It does work absolutely like all programs work.www. you know.8weeksout.com .0] which now I have come to understand is old. if we're not winning we must be doing something wrong and what we've been doing over the last 40/50 years ain't been working. Teach them Olympic lifting in college. but if Olympic lifting is so valuable and it makes you a better football player. But back in the day.8weeksout. Now. you would think so. I’ve been fortunate enough to have great colleagues and great assistants.1 . outdated. right? Yeah. How have your views as far as training. the more I’ve learned and the more I’ve read.

a 455 to a 500 plus squat. and I’m not patting ourselves on the back. Look at the parts where they come down. and did dumbbell bench in the hundreds for 8 reps. and then put them into the hole.8weeksout. But he went from a 340 to a 405 bench. and his dumbbell bench from 100 lbs. over intensification of this country.www. how much do you think they’re going to bench?" 250. didn’t give up a sack in 4 years of college football. strengthen them. There's a lot to be said for some maximal loading. Everybody wants the short results. Some maximal loading because it's so valuable for the athlete. We had him for 2 years Joel and through our programming. for 22 reps. Alan. I think it goes back to the over volumization. The holes are some of the parts and some of the parts are always greater than the hole. who Tommy recruited from a major top 5 program. We had one athlete. I’m not mimicking a scene like we figured it out because we haven’t and this is just one extreme example.8weeksout.com the body starts to figure things out. Louie always told me a long time ago. So myself. What about the rest of the [inaudible 0:43:26. “If your [inaudible 0:42:19. So I firmly believe it was our programming and addressing the individual components of the athlete. and you can ask Tommy this when you interview Tommy. Well. Now that’s 4 years of a program.1] strong enough to bench 250. he squatted about 455.9]? Buddy: Joel: www. then the games don't come so fast do they? So I was always interested to see how much gain as you became more experienced from your junior to senior year and then your senior year and beyond.3] are strong enough to bench 300 [inaudible 0:42:21. for 8 reps went to 100 lbs. what happens the rest of the year? Yeah. and the problem is you see some little study come out that says high intensity training produce better results than low intensity training over a 6-week period. Joel. He came to us he benched 340 in Cleveland.com . you'd be surprised how often my guys do not go above 85% in programming even with special exercises. Joel: Yeah. That's why Poliquin developed his chart. Joel: Buddy: Right. fix them. He was an offensive lineman. And when I say put them into the hole that means you do not have to train maximally all the time. and Michael Hope. Tommy. James have always taken apart hole approach.

… [inaudible 0:44:07. Go head. it’s a very high C and S stress training which the development of a lactic [inaudible 0:44:39. 1 anticirculatory.3] capacity. and they had literally I think 6 or 7 people in each group.sounds like tabota] research is probably the most overused. You have understand Joel that this high stress training is No. sorry. Louie Simmons hits on it.6 . you have two branches in the nervous system. They didn’t see any further improvements… Yep. and the people you use were very novice people anyway. People who are the best in the world have a tremendous understanding of it.. it’s going to work.9] 3 weeks and you're going to extrapolate that to all athletics and all levels of sport and tell me the high intensity is what you should do all the time because in this one study for 6 weeks they saw slightly better results every 6 weeks. And Charlie Francis hit on it.com . It increases neuro demand. and they were basically PE students to the Japanese university and their progress in the high intensity group stalled after about 3 weeks. it boggles my mind that the whole [inaudible 0:43:44. I mean. You have your accelerant and decelerant. Pick a high level athlete and do that to them and see what happens.8weeksout. over bastardized study out there talking about the high intensity intervals versus the continuous lower intensity volume. …freedom. speed reserves. exactly. Exactly. Yeah.8weeksout. Buddy: Joel: Buddy: Joel: Buddy: www. But this is very sympathetic dominant. When you train at 95% and above. and really requires a good 72 hours of recovery between sessions. So no matter what you do.. It still boggles my mind that… Pick a high level athlete.www. Yep.com Buddy: Joel: Buddy: Joel: Buddy: Joel: Buddy: Joel: That’s 6 weeks. it's very sympathetic dominant. Let me try to explain to you why James’ approach of the high/low approach is so valuable.

It’s not because they couldn’t pass a functional movement screen.3] of the nervous system which in other words it brings you down. increase heat or temperature. the only reason these people are getting away with it is obviously because you're dealing with some very young athletes and youth. So it's pro-circulatory. Youth was wasted on the young. what James talked about and everybody talks about Charlie and everybody talks about medium C and S stress training from like 76 to 94% because it's very lactic.sounds like glycolictic] and aerobic training effects which cause a profound impact in adaptation.5 . Okay. It keeps like we talked about motor neurons heated so you have a lower electrical resistance. in other words.com When you follow a high intensity day or high intensity [inaudible 0:45:04. Obviously if you look at this.8] stress training day with a low C and S training day.6] sympathetic [inaudible 0:45:31. Well. 75% or less. This is why we have gone to a high C and S. increase motor unit activation.8weeksout. then you're going to understand that it's going to inhibit an aerobic enzyme and mitochondria production and everybody knows the more mitochondria you have the greater the energy source. you develop your aerobic capacity and power. That’s why we get these injuries. It's circulatory.8weeksout. that’s why you have teams breaking down. I think if more people had the tools like the omega wave and had some way of seeing what they’re doing themselves and seeing the impact that their training is having. the greater energy source the faster you clear lactic anyway. The reason we stay out of. it’s not because they couldn’t do some drill or some test www. and Thursday and Friday we're going to repeat again. they would have a big awakening of what you’re doing everyday and killing yourself. "Youth is wasted on youth." So that's why we've gone to doing what we do. or the high/low approach. Increase capillar density. The great thing about circulatory is it increases capillar density. Tuesday we're going to do speed work and Olympic lifts. Monday we’re going agility work and Olympic lifts. It resets the [inaudible 0:45:30. So you superimpose [inaudible 0:46:06. that’s why you have people burning out. Guys that are going C and S and intensive everyday. You know. low C and S. It secures the high C and S stress adaptation. Joel: Buddy: Right. Decrease resistance. lactic power. it only requires 24 hours of recovery between sessions but more importantly here's what it does. that old philosophy or the old cliché.com . Wednesday we're going to take off. Where is the time to secure the high adaptation to the high C and S stressor? It doesn't occur. And again. Lactic capacity.www. Joel: Yeah.

Being in the situation I am in now. because I don't have an omega wave Joel. [inaudible 0:49:43. the woman can still grab 50 lb. One of the indicators I use. Joel. I know if I’m very sensitive to light going from indoors to outdoors I’m very C and S fried. But her idea of training was to track herself out of the gym everyday. What did you do?" I trained today. it's because I'm C and S fried. Joel: Buddy: Yeah. Joel.8weeksout. Buddy: Here’s a perfect example. but I didn't beat the piss out of myself so I can train tomorrow and get better results. Joel: Buddy: www. It’s funny because she’s now training for a triathlon. That ain't bad. At 50 years of age. [inaudible 0:49:20.com properly. I love my wife to death. If I’m walking around the house and my little finger curls up. dumbbell.www. People just don’t want to understand that. And again.8weeksout. it's a dumbbell incline and I did 14 reps. I think we just depleted ourselves. So I adjust my program accordingly based on me. dumbbells and do 6 reps on a dumbbell incline and I’ve seen her do it. Now. She’s [inaudible 0:47:46. is my grip strength. It had nothing to do with being the fact that we're older. but today in the gym I actually grabbed a 100 lb. Now that I’ve hit a wall…my stepson had mono.com .6] 208 and I don't want to talk about my training because I'm not the strongest person in the world. I know I’m C and S fried. My wife Monica is one of the most best athletes I’ve ever been around Joel. One of the things I try to teach and educate in my own life and my family to the fact that you don't have to crawl out of the gym. And don’t get me wrong because I can do that to myself sometimes. I hit about 2 weeks and then hit a wall.2] competitor. don’t get me wrong. It’s because they were fried because they were over trained for years on end. "I trained today. I don’t have a job so right away the first thing I do is start punishing myself so I train 6 days a week straight in a weight room and I went to Kung Fu Monday and Wednesday with my stepson. my wife and I both went through a bout of mono because we could hardly get out of bed. what I found at my age I can go 2 weeks hard and then I can take a week off and just de-load everything and I'm still able to make games. She wasn't satisfied and that's why cross fit has become so popular because people can pound their chest like a gorilla and say.6] I can hardly get out of bed in the morning it's not because I'm 54. Exactly.

That’s what people don’t understand. he’s… [inaudible 0:50:46. I was done. I hate when kids come to me and say. Tommy and I’ve always said.com Joel: Buddy: No.8weeksout. I didn’t do it. Want to become explosive? Go out for track… Yeah. I had daughters.com . and I got a young high school kid and he comes to me. but he went through gymnastics first Joel which has helped support the development of his Kung Fu. you’re done. You’re not going to accomplish anything else. "All I'm going to do is [inaudible 0:50:55. Give the body time to stabilize itself.” Guess what? The only thing you're better at is being a weightlifter. I mean track and field is one of the greatest sporting activities in this country.2] to the off season. They are two of the best things you can do for your kids growing up.4] track background. …and see what happens. it took Yuri Sedik 18 days to recover for one world record throw. Gymnastics when they’re young followed by martial arts. when I did that Joel that was it. Joel: Buddy: Joel: Buddy: Joel: Buddy: www. And the higher performance athletes you have. Gymnastics when the kids are young and track and a multitude of sports as they get older. You’re not going to become a better athlete. [inaudible 0:51:05. Sedans you can run all day. Her youngest son who lives with us now is pretty doggone good at Kung Fu. Exercise is specific exercises being trained. When you set a record or establish a new mark. Walk away. it’s good. movements are specific movements being trained. I went on to another exercise because I had set a record. Joel: Buddy: Yeah.www. Definitely. Mini cars you can't and that's what I appreciate about James because James had a very intuitive understanding of his skill guys and what they could and couldn't handle. Joel .6].8weeksout. My wife had two sons. Now. the more sensitive you have to be to them because you’re dealing with them because they’re dealing with sedans. I threw a shot and disc in high school myself so I can definitely attest to the value of adding that in gymnastics.

We should have our highly skilled professionals on the very beginning level to develop our athletes. Yeah. Yeah. Right. We don’t develop our athletes anymore. Like I said. It should be reversed. but the computers ruined this country. how is your athlete going to feel?” Just because you write some program you got to be Einstein to figure out doesn’t mean the program’s going to be successful. When it should be reversed. People have no idea what they’re doing are developing our athletes. then don’t bother talking about it. I want to kind of wrap things up by you've mentioned a lot of names in the sport that have influenced you. So I’ve always told people if you can’t explain it to a waitress on a napkin.com Joel: In actually about 20 minutes Matt Hume is bringing his two little sons here. That’s good advice. These are all guys that I'm planning on bringing on board and have all talked to about contributing to the site and I'm thankful for that. I don't care who your strength coach is if you don't work hard you're not going to be successful. I don't care what program you use. how do you think your athletes are going to feel? But if you’re reading your program and writing a program that’s making you tired. We got to develop proper work habits. It has once again made us lazy. Charlie Francis always told me.8weeksout. “If you’re reading a program and it’s boring you. people like Bill Gates are always going to be smarter than Buddy Morris. made things easy for us so our work habits are horrible.com . Well looks like time is just about up here. Is there anybody else or who do you Buddy: Joel: Buddy: Joel: Buddy: Joel: www. They run next door to the gym and train there for MMA and hit the bag and do all their MMA training down there. you’re going to want to look out for them. Train them to train because they didn’t have work habits. That’s true.8weeksout. Our supposed best strength coaches are our highest level. Joel: Buddy: Absolutely. Charlie Francis and having James Smith and Michael Hope and Russ Linski [sp]. and Alan. Maybe 4 and 2 years old so when those kids get older. It's that simple and that's the one underlying ingredient and component we all forget about. At a very early age. Here’s what I think the biggest mistake we make in this country.www. Probably the reason we separate our freshmen from our older guys when they came as freshmen Joel is to teach them how to work.

3].5 . There’s some things that are in there that are wrong that we know nowadays are different. When Tommy and I were in Cleveland we visited [inaudible 0:55:07. Great book. My youngest daughter is going to be a nurse. Canadian [inaudible 0:54:41. You're constantly looking to evolve your training. obviously Louie Simmons. Michael [Yeses]. Right now if I was anybody.sounds like It ain't a] psychologist who coined the term the stress of life.sounds like Bonder Chuck]. if you look at that book and I’ve read it. So anytime Yousef Johnson puts on a seminar and brings in the [inaudible 0:55:41. Exactly. Well. when we brought Val to Cleveland I sat there and my jaw just hit the table and I’m thinking to myself. and I wanted to see from an athlete's perspective and get Judd's input on Joel: Buddy: Joel: Buddy: www.9] in Cleveland is I knew that Judd had trained under [inaudible 0:56:02. “Goddamn am I stupid.4 . I’ve had her read it. "Before you do anything. go read.com .3] check or you can read Clings by Stuart McGill.8weeksout. So who do you recommend people start with? I always tell them.7]. Buddy: Joel: Buddy: Joel: Buddy: That’s a great book.9] a couple of times at Penn State.www.. Now. Great. [inaudible 0:55:13. Those two books are…I think Malcolm Gladwell’s book the Outliers…because it will help you understand what it takes to be successful. I had the chance to talk to a good friend of mine John Logan. You can get Val to write anything that is. but I think that’s one of the most important things you can do. Or the guy who developed the word stress. I admitted I was dumb. Hans Selye. and one of the reasons I spoke with [inaudible 0:55:59. I tell you what. So anything by Zadsorski [SP]. and you’re constantly looking just to learn.” And that’s the first thing they say to recovery for an addict is you have to admit. I’d get right to Charlie Francis’ website and order everything on Charlie’s website like I have..com recommend to the people listening to this to go out and learn from because really I think that's what separates guys like yourself and those I just mentioned from a lot of the other strength coaches or trainers or whatever out there is you guys are constantly looking to educate yourself in different areas.8weeksout. but Trasanski." Why Zebras Don't Get Ulcers by Sapolsky because it's going to teach you about stress and about how the body adapts to it. Michael [inaudible 0:55:14.

we were 11 and 1. you limit your abilities because if you limit your abilities. Old school is an excuse for being dumb. I've gotten people who are my assistants who are smarter than me. tell me what you really think. And don’t take it personally. So you got to find ways to get them better. Joel. I’ve always said if you limit your knowledge. But obviously like I told you Joel. My first couple of years at Pitt. Tell me what we probably can improve and that’s why we’ve had some great interns who have sat me down and said. make me smarter. No. I can’t stand when people say I’m old school. I’m a big boy. So I truly thank you for doing this interview with me and for being Joel: Buddy: Joel: www. Because then you’ve really got to look at their movement patterns and really look at them as individuals to put them in the best possible position to be successful and that’s what we’ve done for 31 years. and I learned a lot just listening to Charles Poliquin and Louie speak in 1997. Yeah.www. I think we can it better if we do it this way” and I’m always open to somebody saying that. It’s an excuse for not going out and wanting to learn and it’s just an excuse for saying. that's why these guys have been so valuable to me because they tell me the truth. I want people who can make my program better. We’ve been successful.com . Tell me why you would do it and how you would do it. this is business.” Explain to me what you see. I want people to look at my program and say you can do it better if you do this and that's why Alan DeGenarro.2]. [inaudible 0:56:48. James Smith.8weeksout. and it just works out for the betterment of the program. “You know what? I’ve always done it this way.” Well.8weeksout. Michael Hope. Definitely. well I’m sure you will continue to do it and find a place to do it soon and you’re truly one of the great physical preparation coaches out there.com some things as far as training what he had learned from Bonder Chuck. you know what? Maybe you’ve been successful because you’re a great athlete. My ego isn't that big where I got say no and I want everybody to bow down and worship me and just preach my program is the end all to be all. You know what the hardest thing I did was? Joel: Buddy: What’s that? Open the door and turn the lights on. One thing as the head guy. Joel. I say. “Okay. It’s a little different story when you’re not getting the cream of the crop. I don't want a bunch of mini mes running around. you limit the development of your athlete. I'm no dummy. “You know.

Joel: Buddy: Joel: Buddy: Joel: Buddy: Joel: www. All right. It’s great having you and like I said this isn’t the last…people are going to hear from you. I appreciate the opportunity to be a part of your site and do the inaugural interview with you and it’s an honor for me to be part of those people having learned from them as I have over the past couple of years. I appreciate it and I look forward to it. and more great information on physical preparation for athletic performance coming soon. all right? Thanks. but really to educate the public at large and one another really because there’s not a whole lot of us out there I think who come from a similar ideological background or have read and learned from the same people and the more we can help open people’s eyes and get them to look at the broader picture I think the better really.com . Make sure and check the website for more updates. Buddy: I agree with you 100% and once again Joel. Yep. Not necessarily just to stroke each other’s ego. So thanks again for coming on. Bye. I appreciate your time. So thanks again. 8weeksout.8weeksout.8weeksout. and they’ve really helped me and the athletes I’m responsible for become better.com a part of the site. We’ll definitely get you involved in lots of programs and products and just getting information out there because that’s what this is all about just educating people and continuing to educate ourselves. This is something I’ve really wanted to do was bring guys like you and Tom and Alan and Michael and James and the group of us together that have all kind of shared similar beliefs and philosophies. Bye bye. Thanks for listening. We’ll hear from you again soon.com. Joel. They have really been invaluable tools for me.www. This is Joel Jamieson. more interviews. Thanks.