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fOR CUOA PERMANENT TRANSFER 18 NOV 63. FOUR
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Article in "Northern Virginia S'"u.."l,., for
21 November 1967 Entitled
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08·TP..ID's Letter
Still a Puzzle" by Robert S . AL!..E::i and
Paul SCOTT
The attached article refers to"the baffling question the
FBI is still trying to answer, concerning Offi·TALD's knowledge of
Cuban Consul Eusebio AZ[.tUE' s recall to Cuba . i:muen.do the article
infers a "mystery" is involved in OSHALD's knowledge and states that
GARRISON hE.s said the 08\·TALD letter is a very il:!portant part of' his
investigat:..on .
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The Report of the President ' s Commission on t he Assassination
of President KENNEDY, , p. 301 through 310, the t:a:tter of OSHALD's
visit to the Cuban Embassy in :t-!exico City is de·;;ai.led and includes
a description of OSWALD
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s dealings vTi th Cuban Consul Eusebio AZQUE
and a I:l.ember of AZQUE ' s staff, Senora SilviCL Tirado de DURAN,. a
Mexican national who 'vas sympathetic to OSHALD a21d. tried to assist
him in obtaining a Cuban visa . In order to obtain a vi sa for entry
into Cuba it was necessary for Offi.TALD to first obtain a visa to enter
the U. S . S.R. SilviQ:de DURAN testified that ad:::ittedly exceeding her
responsibilities, she informal ly telephoned the Russian consulate
with the intention of doing what she could to facilitate issuance of
the Russian visa to OSHAI..D . The Russian Consulate replied that it
would take four months to process his application and on hearing this,.
OS1-TALD created a scene which resulted in angry .. ro:!"ds with Consul AZQUE
who came out of his office . AZQUE told OSi·TALD that "if it were up to
him, h e woul d not give him a visa; " t hat "a person of his type was
harming the Cuban Revolution rather than helping it . "
The "t-larren Report on p. 310 then reports that CIA advised
the Commission of the follo,dng .
"He surmise that the refer ences in OS.·TAI.D
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s 9 Nov ember 1963
letter to a man vrho had since been replaced I!IUSt refer to Cuban Consul
Eusebio   who left Mexico for Cuba on peroa.ne!lt transfer on 18 Novenbe:-
1963, four days before the assas sination . cad been in Mexico for
18 years and it w-as known as early as September 1963 that AZQUE was to
be replaced. His replacement did arrive in AZQUE
schedul ed to 1ea·;e in October but did not leave U!!-.i.l 18 November 1963 .
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any other Cuban "'.=.:i "::een or was to be replaced, but ue speculate
that Silvia :::::- sor:1e Soviet officis.l might h:=.ve mentioned it
if OSHALD   aboilc AZQUE' s altercation •,rith him.
I there is little substance to the inference
in ALLEN ana >:oGUTJ:'S column that there is a great eystery about
OSWALD's knowledge of AZQUE's recall and referred to the Warren
Report as quoted above.
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Letter
Still a Puzzle
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By ROBERT S. ALLEN
and PAUL SCOTT
-F·Y.l:" after tlte-
,.:n:.:. ·).1. Pt·esldent Kennedy.
FBI 'is still investi.;atinl' a
my:>.:cry the c-Jntent:; of
:he :;1,s1 \ettct• i.ce 1-brvcy
Dallas tra;edy.
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and read bv the FBf Eef•Jt'e jt <11'·
'rkej at iis drsqn•ion was mail·
· crl L Soviet Embassy he.t-e
on Xov. 12. 18GJ--or 10 days be·
!or th" a.ssaossination.
Wt·· rten as d. request for a
Soviet visa. tho:!' :etter contained
a reiP.t·r.ng to the high·
lv recall of a CUban O:ti·
c:ia:l :n the- :\texico Clo:y embassy
days after Oswald h.:td \isited
and rearmed to Dallas.
1i1e ba.if'.irt: the FBI
is stiH tryin:; tr, ;s:
How dict Oswald l'Ylrn ab..;.ut
oWcial's unannouncerl re.

Th!' FBI has c:oocluded • ir.-
wou:d ha.\·e lnd 10
t-ome tc- Qsv.-ald !rem cn't" ol rhreoe
sources:
(ll An id(;tmant in Cu.ban
Emb:.l$SY ln   City ,,·h; C'On·
tc=.ctcd Oswald after h? returned
to the- 12l the Central ln.
ot' {31 the
KGB. the So'liet secret polk-e.
Slgni·flcantly. the FBI inquiry
ascertair.ed that CI . .\ and KGB
operntors -in 1Iexico City learned
of ttre oUidal"Joi recall at approx-
;m!l.:e'v the same time and only
a \'-"eek wrcte his
lf'ttc-:; c:ontaining the foU:,,·ing
parn..,..l'h:
"0[ c.-o.urse the Soviet Embassy
\•·as not at tau:lt. ttrey were, as I
  the CuMn Con-
sul uqs guilty a gross breach
d regula:iorts. I am gtad he has
since been rep}aced. ·•
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rMre was r.o , ... ay 0•
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inf:rmar"on du:-ir:z his Seo•emh'"r
..-isit to ·Cit:r. since tht>
secret t-ee'I.U orders rrom
""E're M')' U'"ltil <'I rtf'.'"
he had to Dallas. Even
then there wns ·no publicity and
only a lut ndful o{ pel"50o,s knew
about the ordet"S, one FBI report
state!.
  or the
assassin..r:on. the
re-n Cornmission ilirxted onP in-
uiry to CIA to Oet!l"rmint" 0::;
wald migilt "ha ...""t" obtai ner-d
fC' . ..,ott:on. It pr-oduced nc-:;::uivt-
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Tht"' CI. \ "s memorandum to thP
n;·,o; and
O'l fi!, .. •., th" :\\t::o.nJl .'\rchives,
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Wl.s to be re;;laced.'"
recei\in.; this reply trom
the CIA. the Warren Corr.mls--
.s.:J.!f mad!!! no furthe-r jn-
quiL·y on Azque reference,
but their probe on the
ancc.s under which the
lt't\€t' was preparl"d and lafer

The c:onunission's inquj.1-y
the Oswa!d letter. most detail:>.
of wNch were but·ied jn the 2F;
voluumes <Jf testimony, ;revealed
that .:\Irs. Ruth Paine, on \Vhose
l\"pP.writer the !inal draft was
made. and :\I::ui..'l.a Oswald. k.Jvw
d ;he !et1er an.j tts conrems be-
fore it was mailed.
)Jrs. Paine testified Oswald
typed the letter \\."hile spendin;;
rhE> 9 ,..,·eekend at her
residenc.""e with his \-:,ife. Aft""l' ob- ·
st:t·ving the- \vhen Oswalrl
was not arowtd. :\Irs. Paine ,said
copied it. 11te eommission·s
tu..rned the copy
ov-er to the FBI on 23, the
ct.Jy afier the assassination.
An FBI repJrt on filt- in
Na::•Jnal which
been
that the agency :started its i.1·
vestigativn on inter-
cepting- O.•wa!d's letter af\\?1' j:
was mailed on Nov. 12 in Irvin;;.
Texas.
At the time. the F"'B[ in-
\'Cived in the intel'C"!pt cOPied tilt>
tt>Xt o( the lt>tter and put it
  me \\ith a
note that one part.lgraph \'edfied
infc-:mation on Os\\--.a\d's
:vrexico Cit'' ,·i.sil.
rr: te-. pointed out titat 0.:---
"·ald's: mention of ''Com:aO.o;o
Kos·!r." in the letter c<>n!lrmed
a CIA report that he had met
w•·t1 Valerity V!adim:rovi.ch
stikov, a member the consular
cf ·hC' and
or thf' l•)P KGB . fficers in the
\\"·."':':':e :-n Hf·rn :sp!it't"C.
O:o\\·"11d's '·la.st lett('r·· with it:;
to th!" Cubcm Eml:t1ssy
ofncial is also bcin;
bv Odea.ns District Attorney
J,,mcs Gan.iscn.
RcCOlTIS in   .\t··
chi\·e,s hc.o:-e shO\' Garrison's in--
,·r•s!'o;atoM recently combed the
tor informati-;n aho)ut thf"
o-"·a
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d !ettr-r nn<l about hO'.Y"
lccH-nPrl of Cor.sul EuS<'bio
Al'Quc":; unannoun"ed rrc<lll.
One \dtn<>:o-.... "ho <l'f."PeR,·ed in
re:-M1t txofon• OnTisorl"s.
;::-rRnd of the- Kennf"dy
p.:;, ...... I:'\., reoortro to a.
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21 November 1967

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Attached herewith is a1Mexico City repl ay of the
Robert s_ Allen - Paul Scott concerning Harvey
' oswaldrA last letter written befqre his assassination .
The concerns the Central Intelligence Agency,
the KG? and the Cuban Embassy in Mexico City.
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::>rders £ro::1 Havann not tnnsmi tted unHl
he h:.d :e!urned to   Even then there ·.vas ::o p:..rr
lic!ty a:-:d a har.c!£ul persor.s kr.ew about the or-
ders. one FBr reoo..t states.
Du.:in.,. Hs ln\:cstig;:tio!\ of the Ke:medy  
the Warren Cor.tmis:;ion directed one inql!iry to CIA
to where Oswald m:ght have obta:ced in-
rorr.:atio:l. It produced negat!ve resc!t.;. . .
'I'hc CIA's memorandum to t:-.e com::-.:ss1u:1, r.:.w c! e·
  nnd on Iilc in the Archives, st::.t:.:.>:
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nave told Oswald Azqce !O be repbced." : <> _ . :;
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st:lf: :11::c!e r.o   ir.qu!ry on Azque ·
  out     on the
ur:c!. ::::- v:hich the :ctter v:::..>   and i:tter cis.:overed..
Ti:c inquir/ i:tto Os·s.lld lette:-. most .
o( were ou:\ed i.rt !he 26 volu.-:-.es cii
mo::y, revealed 4\irs. Ruth Pair.e. w!:osa tyi)ew!'iter
t!le finai   was mace, ::.nd knew oi
iettcr and its cor:tents be:ore !t wa$ rn:lilecl.
;.::-s. tcs:ificd O:>w:::.!:l tl::: Iet!cr v:h!Ie
Si)er:.ding the 9 weekend hec residence with ·
his wife. After ob.;crving the Jette:- .w:•er. Os•>':llc!. w:ts not
Around, :\rrs. Pai::.e said she cor>ied it.   commiss!on's
shows she   the copy. o.ver to the F3I on
23, day tlle o.ss:!..Ssi!':::tton. .
An ?EI re!>o::;: 0:1 in the   A.rd:i-.res. ·
h<:s recently <!eclass!!ied, <;.gency start-
ed. it:> • imme.:: iate!y Osw:lld"$
-lei:ter it 'Nas mailed 0:1.· Xove:cber- 12 in Irvin::. .
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  a.:c tod:1y. I'd li!-:e to thin:-. -teat I was rC:>£>O::lsihle.
- As L:;:tC:.O!'!. Jci1:-:sv:-. I cioh't that's the Ot!:: mec
this week !'lis !our:h   Pres- Thej'   aad a bettc.-
of the Unitcc St:.tcs, b.s job." .
ab:-ul   • cor:.::. LEJ aL.sv a kick out oi     !':itr. b;.·
history. Col. !..:lmar A. Wc:.ch, i:t   o!' £l:l::at =-ov:_l who
His rccen: quotat!o:1. from Lincoln o.t t-ow rr:en ca:nc up to the c!;:;o: of
?rime :\Iinis!cr di:1:1er-'·I ::.m here, the pl::!:ld to :lt:d t!tcn .::oz.:!.
I must do the best I c::.n, and · t!1e "Th!s i:> a j;>b where ·,\·e c!on't co:npcl mea to ju::lp,'•
responsibiHty of tn;dng thi! ::ou:se which I c:cpl::.ir.cd Col. Welch. ''!f they c:tr:.'t iut-:t::>. we just sent
icc! I ought to takc"-reflccts th!s new cr.   to job b. tl!<: Army. In t!.1a hs:
p!'ti!osophy. wat· •.•;c ..;o     of o·.tr t r:tin;:d to j l!r:lf'. The
His ;!; tr.c :c     to zo bd: !o   !n the w:1r
also. The     line tC:c Whit;: Iio:.:st: O-.Jr ju.npcrs •::e::c Eut in thi:> w;::.- 91
s!:c:t,·c.; h.1ve The • o:• pe1·ce:nt of ou: men coming coto:s.
:\i:1i:o:1's n:n·al l'!ft over Ircm c!:.:.-s of t DR, 'ftcy'rc jum;>t r.;." ·
r.:.\·..: rcpl:Jcc.:cl by books oa :;.nd The Presi..:e:tt al sv.   v:Sit to U.S.S.
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Comrade Reznicher..!.w
fro:n Cswald, .M. N.
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9   1963 - Among tl c malcria ls m ad e a vailabl e by the· Sovie t
Government there is a letter from OSWALD, evidcnUy typewritten
in the origmal, dated 9 Novembe r 19b3, which was directed to the
Soviet Embassy in Washington . This letter is reproduced below,
exactly as typed.
"FROM: LEE H . OSWALD, P . 0. BOX 6225 , DALLAS, TEXAS
MARINA NICHILA YEVA OSWALD, SOVIET CITIZEN
"Dear sirs;
' ',TO: CONSULAR DIVISION
EMBASSY U . S.S. R.
WASIDNGTON, D.C.
NOV. 9, 1963
"This is to inform you of recent events si ncom my meetings
with comrade Kostin in the Emba!:>sy Of the Soviet Union, Mexico
City, Mexico.
"I was unable to remain in Mexico indefinily because of my
mexican visa restrictions which was for 15 days only . I could not
t.-1.ke a chance on reqes ting a new visa unless I used my real name , ,
so I retured to the United States.
"I had not planned to contact the Soviet embassy in Mexico sc
they were unprepared, had I been able to reach the Soviet Embass•
in Havana as planned, the embassy there would have had time to
complete our business.
" Of corse the Soviet embassy was not at fault, they were, I
say unprepared, the Cuban consulate was guilty of a gross breac
regulations, I am glad he has since been rcplced . I
" The Fede ral Bureu of Investi gation i s not nov. intt.;rested
my activitie s in lhe progr e ssive or ganization "Fair Play For C
Commillec", of which I was in Nt.;w Orleans (state I
( c ontinued)
9 NO\ ern bcr l9o3 ( continued)
since I no lonr{e r reside in lhal sta t e . Howevt;;r , the F.B.I. ha s
visted us here in Dallas , Texas, on November lsl . Agent James
P. Hasty warned me that if I engaged in F . P . C.C. activitie s in
Texas the F . B . I. will again taku an "interrest" in me .
"This agent also "suggested" to Marina Nichilayeva that she
could remain in lhe United States under F . B . I.   that
is, she could defect from lhe Soviet Uion, of couse , I and my wife
strongly protested these tactics by the notorious F.B.I.
"Pl ease inform us of the arrival of our Soviet entrance visa
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as soon as they come.
"Also, this is to inform you of the birth, on October 20, 1963
of a DAUGHTER, AUDREY MARINA OSWALD in DALLAS, TEXAS,
t o my wife .
"R.especfully,
t s J L eeH. Oswald"
NOTE: Mrs. Ruth PA1NE found the following rough draft of a l e tter
in the handwriting C?f L ee OSWALD sometime during the middle
part of November 1963. (The portions crossed out in pen are
as OSWALD d eleted them in his draft.)
11
Dear Sirs
"This is to inform you of events since my interview
with comrade Kostine in the Embass}r of the Soviet Union,
Mexico City, Mexi co.
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I was unable to remain in Mexico City ..f>e.Era.tls-e--I-
e efl:Bide?eel useless indefini tely because of Mexican
visa restrictions which was for 15 days only. I had a I
could not take a chance on applying for an extension unless
I used my real name so I returned to the U . S .
"I and Marina Nicholyeva are now living in Dallas, Texas .
.::[ eu allr eady ha
" The FBI is not now interested in my activities in the
pr ogressive organization FPCC of which I was secretary in
P.k.,. O?leaneJ La.. New Orleans , Louisiana since no
longer live in that s t a te.
{ c ont.inue d)
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9 No\ c·mber 19 63 ( conlinued)
"l't o'rombor tho Novombar the FBI has visiled us here
in Texas on Nov. l s t. Agent of the FBI J ames P. Hasty
warned me that if I attempt Lo engage in FPCC activities
in Texas the FBI will again take an uinterestn in me . The
a gent also ••sugges t ed'' that my wife could
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U . S . under FBI protection,
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that is , she could t o
to tho d efect from the Sovi et Union . Of course I
and my wife s trongly protested these tactics by the
nolor i ous FBI.
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lt wa unfortun that tho Soviet Embassy v.as '=lftable t o
aid me in },4.CJcico City bul:: I had not planned to contact the
M exico City Embassy a t a ll so of course they were unprepared
for m e . Ha d I been abl e l o reach Havana as planned I could
havo contacted the S oviet Embassy there for the cgmpletion
of v. ould have been ahle t o help me got tho neces•a.•y
documents I required assist mo would have had time to
assist me , but of course the sluip Cuban consule was at
fault here . I am gl ad he has since been r epl aced by
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This document is not a CIA document . . It belongs to National Archives
as part of the Warren Commission records, held in National Archives ' s
custody as a • • • • • •  
sfielrld net eeRsefR H3el f w i tlr pabl i c requests f01 tit is I:IGGiiiiiiQIIt,. btft
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should be consulted, as appropriate, when pertinent and parall el information
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This document is identified at National Archives as a document which
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APPROVED FOR RELEASE 19fL
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Date: April 1, 197 8
BUERGO: It is suggested that in accordance with what wa s
discussed with Congressman Stokes that the session be
prolonged until b p.m. As one more indication of the
Cuban willingness to coope rat e with the wor k of the Committee,
the Consul of the Cuban Embassy in Mexic o will also take part
in the session . Als o p r esent is Antonio He rnandez who
acc ompanies Mr . Villa.
STOKES: First I want to return these documents that were
handed over to me this morning. In the second place, we are
grateful to you for having brought here the witness that we
had r equested .
BLAKEY : I would like y ou to give your name for the recording .
AZCUE : Eusebio Azcue.
BLAKEY: How old are you?
AZCUE: 66 .
BLAKEY : Are you current ly employed by the government?
AZCUE: I was employed in construction and now I am retired.
BLAKEY: Were you wor king in 1963 ?
AZCU£ : In the Cuban Embassy in Mexico .
BLAKEY : In this respec t, had you r ecognized Os wald?
AZCUA: he came t o request a visa for Cub a.
BLAKEY: We can present to you this d ocument so that y ou will
r ecognize it .
AZCUE : Yej it i s the d oc ument and it was made
Consulate in Me xic o Cit y.
in the Cuban
BLAKEY: Did h e sign the documen t in y our presence?
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AZCUE: Of course. I remember him very well because when
in the act he requested the visa.
did he request the visa?
AZCU : One day before the date of the document .
BLAKEY: When did he go the second time?

AZCUE: On the date of the document. He requested the visa
and came with a document that accredited him as being in the
American Communist Party; he went to the Soviet Union, but
wanted the transit visa to be in Cuba for a week.
BLAKEY: What time did he visi t the Embassy?
AZCUE: He came between 10:00 a.m. and 2 : 00 p.m. We opened
the Consulate at 10:00 a.m. and closed at 2:00 p.m.
BLAKEY: Did he come with anyone on the first occasion?
AZCUE: He was always alone.
BLAKEY: Couldn ' t you see if he came with someone?
AZCUE: That I don 't know because of the location of my
office. The second time he came, he came to bring the photo
and the document. The photographs had not been brought the
first time; he brought a document of his wife, who was a
Soviet citizen; and he was<resident in the Soviet Union,
which I did not understand, but I will later explain to you.
He asked me how long the visa would take. I asked him if
he had friends in Cuba who would guarantee him, because in
that way it could be speeded up . Wh en this situation was
suggested he began to get upset; he came with a book of
Lenin under qis arm and I didn ' t like that; I understand
that a Communist doesn ' t need a book by Lenin to be able
to expre ss his tendencies.
W i t h t he vi s a from t he So vi e t U n i on h e c. ,,J d_ be g i v en
the transit visa. That that same day o r on the next day the
Soviet EMbassy called me to tell me that the documents that
he was presenting (the certificate of the 9f
with a Soviet citizen) were real. I asked  
him the visa and they answLed no; that they had to consult
with Moscow . I told him that I had to consult Cuba. He
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saying that he had already gone to the Soviet Embassy . He \
believe<\ that wi th that I was going to give him the visa. I '
told him no, that I needed to call Cuba; that angered him _
and he called it bureaucracy; I got mad and told him to leave;
he left . He got very mad when he saw that I wasn't giving
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him the visa. He wanted to go to Cuba, according to what
he said, to see and get to know the Cuban Revolution. He
wanted to be in Cuba two veeks an4 if possible longer.
name of my secretary is Silvia Duran, although she
orced and lost her husband ' s last name, but is very
1 known for hav ing had serious problems with the
can authorities and was a prisoner.
STOKES: Who else was present when Oswald visited your
embassy the first time?
AZCUE: The secretary, the consul,   whol was trans-
ferring my experiences to to be able to leave him in
my place.
STOKES: What is the name of the Secretary?
AZCUE: Silvia Duran.
STOKES: Could you tell us the complete name of the consul
who was going to replace y o u?
AZCUE: I don't remember the c omplete name, but I kn o w
that his name is Mirabal.
STOKES: In any case,
the end of Nove mber .
AZCUE: Here in Cuba.
he was the o ne wh o replac e d y o u at
Wh e re i s he now?
STOKes: You wer e saying that the fir s t ti me that Oswald
came to your office he s howe d you his d o cume nts
had to do with his membership in the Co mmunist Party?
AZCUE: Yes, but I didn't analyz e them.
STOKES: Were thes e documents at s o me time attached to the
visa requests?
AZCUE: No. That was a form of introduction.
STOKES:So that there would be o ther d o cuments rel e vant t o
the visa request?
AZCUE: No, that was the only one .
STOKES: Would the re be some r e c o rding o f y o ur c o nve r s ati o n
with Oswald?
AZCUE: No . We didn't use this at that time; I n e ver u s ed
them. Only full conversaton .
STOKES: Can you tell us the name of the So v i et cons ul with
whom you talked?
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AZCUE: The consul was a very good friend of mine, Pablo Yaskov,
but at that time be wasn ' t there; in charge of
replacing him was someone whose name I don't remember. But
in later conversations at the Embassy with members, possibly
with this same cons ul, I was able to prove that their
judgment, was what they thought - that the documents of his
were correct . Both his and those of his wife wh o resided in
the U. S . I believe in New York.
STOKES: And on the second visit to the embassy , who was
present?
AZCUE: Always the secretary because she was the one wh o
received him.
STOKES: And would the consul who replaced you have been
present?
AZCUE: No, No, I r emember Silvia.     still wasn't
attending to matters at the consulate and in addition, be did
not know English and he wasn't active.
STOKES: At some time were you in contact with Marina Os wald ?
AZCUE: Who . .. No, No. Never.
STOKES : In the moments in which Oswald was in your office and
you talked to you remember if be said something to you about
President Kennedy?
AZCUE: No , no.
politics.
I believe that that would have been poo r
DODD: Seeing that if you observe it and I realize that
we are going to go back quite a ways. Do you remember if he
wore a suit and tie like here? Or a sweater?
AZCUE: No, no . With a jacket, and I remember the color of
the jacket , probably something similar to these pants, Prince
of Gales , jacket and pants. With a tie . In Mexico everyone
wears a tie; the weather is cool.
DODD: At that time, would it be possible to we ar a jacket?
AZCUE: Yes, I r e member him with a jacket.
DODD: So that he did not wear the clothing in that picture .
Do you know where h e ({)14/ J. hQ 11 h&<\; that photo  
AZCUA: Maybe in a place near the embassy, on Tacubaya Street.
DODD: Did you requi re a type of re gular sized photo?
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AZCUE: Yes, of this very size.
clear, carnet - size photo.
It was not very precise, a
DODD:Does this photo look like the man who entered your
office and talked to you?
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AZCUE: Yes , but time pass es and o ne an idea and a face ..
My impression is that he was thinner, with a very profiled
nose, very straight eyebrows, a cold look, very penetrating .
BLAKEY: Could you give us an estimate of his h eight ?
AZCUE: (He stands up and signals by comparing with his own height)
BLAKEY: How tall are you?
AZCUE: Six feet one and a half inches.
if he was one metre 70 or 65 . A short
I don ' t remember exactly
man . Thin .
BLAKEY: How much would he have weighed?
AZCUE: I don ' t know, but his nose was very fine, very narrow
shoulders, very thin .
DODD: His approximate age?
AZCUE: Abont 35, worn out, a worn o ut man. Not a pretty f a c ~  
an e x h a u sfe d fa c e . Some t hi n g 1 i k e a gang s t e r , hard .
DODD: Was it a common experience for an AMerican to go to
the Embassy t o r equest a vi sa?
AZCUE: Yes , many came.
DODD:Who wanted to go to the Soviet Union?
AZCUA: No, no. To visit Cuba.
strange
DODD: But this was a rather / case?
AZCUE: Yes, strange .
DODD:Did you make a special note o n the strangeness of this
occas ion?
AZCUE : No, because we refused him the vi sa . I woul d have made
a notation if I had given him the visa to explain the reaso ns
why I was giving it to him.
DODD:
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to abound because with contacts in Cuba we couldn ' t grant a
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DODD: Did he leave an address so that you could inform him if
at yme time the visa were to arrive?
AZCUE: No . He would have left it if he had left on friendly
t e r m s , but not- how h e l e f t , t h at i s , I k i c k e d hi m o u t .
DODD: Was there some process with respect to the visa request,
so that the process that you consult, in some moment you would
receive a notification?
AZCUE: We would transmit it to Cuba; then the interested party
would call and find out if the visa was coming. We would
constantly receive calls from those seeking them; they are the
ones who were interested.
DODD: But he never called? In all bureaucratic processes when
a process of this type is begun it is supposed that you
will receive calls or not?
AZCUA:. Yes . Our government received this request and never
answered it because it had no reason to .
DODD: What do you mean that they never answered?
AZCUE: That the Cuban government never answered.
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DODD: Return1ng to the/appearance of Oswald. Besides the
entries here, did he have gray hairs?
AZCUE: He was blond . This photo is curious. I didn ' t fill
out the form myself because the secretary did so. She filled
all of this out, g()t the signature and then we sent it
to Cuba.
DODD: But do you remember that this photo corresponds to the man
that you saw?
AZCUE: I remember him as thinner but it is possible .... photos
are never . ... I remember him as a very thin man and a very hard
expression .
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time that he went to your Embassy he requested a transit visa
or was it a visa for Cuba?
AZCUE: A visa for Cuba . A visa for 2 weeks or 15 days. Normally
the people are not aware of the process for a transit visa .
BREYER: But it was evident that it was to continue to the
Soviet Union.
AZCUE: Yes .
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I heard him ask how long it would take to receive the
visa. And you asked him if he knew someone in Cuba
since it would be faster?
AZCUE: Yes .
PREYER: Did you give him some date on h o w long it would
take if he knew someone in Cuba?
AZCUE: No. I couldn ' t obligate myself .
it vas faster.
I told him that
PREYER: Then, he left and goes to the Soviet Embassy.
Three or four blocks. So that is is possible that he had
walked?
AZCUE: Yes, of course.
PREYER: Shortly after that you got the call in the embassy .
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Soviet consul took a whil e. What is mo re, I believe that he
vent to the Soviet embassy the same day; it is possible the
next day or the same day, but he vent the next day wh e n he
called me, but that was the next day, I beli e v e .
PREYER: And the Sovi et embassy told you t hat they had to
consult Mosc ow. That they couldn ' t give a visa . Or did you
tell it to Oswald?
AZCUE: And when he v ent I told him that if the Soviet Union
had to consult Moscow I had to consult Havana.
PREYER: Did he ask what y o u could fear?
AZCUE: Yes, t hey all ask, and the answer is always the same;
it depends on the friends that you have in Cuba who can
accelerate the process.
Preyer: At moment did you ask the Soviet Embassy about
the time that the process would take?
AZCUE: No . That is their business.
PREYER: I ask you b ecause if it vas a relatively short
period of time, it could be that he would wait thereftor the
visa.
AZCUE: No. Besides, I see in him the deliberate pur pose of
getting the visa from us. He was interest ed in the visa from
us.
PREYER:Thank you very much.
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DODD: You didn't make any copy for him of the documents that
he presented as a member of the Communist Party of the U.S.
AZCUE: No. Those documents are only to show; I couldn't
take them away from him. Facts are taken such as I took
from the passport.
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BLAKEY: Did you examine the passport - Would you look at
the photo in the passport?
AZCUE: One always does look but what is of interest is
the number.
BLAKEY: Did you notice that the person that you saw before
was different from the one who was there?
AZCUE: What I noted was the difference between the person
who went to the consulate and the one that killed Ruby.
They seemed to be different persons.
BLAKEY: When you saw the passport did you see some difference?
AZCUE:I am not usually so analytical . Besides the secretary
does that. The difference that I noted was between the one
who came to the consulate and the man they killed .
BLAKEY: Mr. Azcue, let me show you the book of photO:s which is
an exhibition of   This book contains a complete series
of photo s ihat we would like to have you look at carefully,
p age by page . Study the faces and tell us if you can r e cognize
some of the pers o ns who are there. Take yo ur time and don't
look for anyone in particular; only tell us if y o u recognize
someone .
BUERGO : We can take a recess while col Azcue goes over the
photo ......... s .
BLAKEY: After 15 minute, Mr. Azcue has examined the photo
the
AZCUE: Frankly , the idea that I have of/Oswald that went
to the does not resemble the photograph of the
dead Oswald. The memory that I have of Oswald looks like
the one of the photo. I remember that his nose was very
fine and his cheekbones   This man in the photo
has a maximum age of 30, but I remember that the one who went
to the consulate was some 35 years old . The dead Oswald
I do not recognize as the Oswald who went to my office.
When I saw him in a photo on TV he didn ' t resemble at all the
Oswald that went to the consulate.
I did not relay this . That was something that I did not
capture when I saw the photos of when they were killing
Oswald, I cannot guarantee it but it didn ' t look like him.
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BLAKEY: see the photo of the man who went to the
consulate, would you recognize it?
AZCUE: I think so, that I would recognize it , but when I saw
that he was mad, it was not the same impression of the face of
the man who they were killing. And I r emember that the New
Orleans attorney Jim said that there were two
Oswalds , and that made me think again that the dead man was
not the same one wh o had gone to the office.
BLAKEY: President Castro gave a speech after the assassination
and said that he had had a contact with the Cuban Embassy in
Mexico
CONSUL: I remember that I made some statements
the same as the ones i am making no w. I talked about this
with the Ministry of Foreign Relations.
BLAKEY: Did you inform anyone else about this matter?
AZCUE: I had come from Mexico to Havana , I came November 1 8
and on the 22 was the death of Kennedy and immediately I
remembered the visit of Oswald to the consulate . They took
a statement from me and I said exactly what I have said now.
BLAKEY: Was n ote taken of that interview?
VILLA: It is possible that it exists but we do not have
that report.
AZCUE: The representative of the Ministry of the Interi o r
was the one who held the interview, Co mmander Pineiro .
(Manuel Piniero).
BLAKEY: Allow me to read a part that appears in a book
published in the U.S.:
"An interview in July l9c 7 with British newsman Comer
Clark .
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consulate. On both occasions he said that he wanted to work
for us . On the second occasion he said that he wanted to free
Cuba from Imperialism. Then he said that someone should
kill President Kennedy and Os wald said that he would be
in charge of that ."
AZCUE: Not Commander in Chief could say that, n o r
could that person exist . They can only see me.
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I would remember that well, but that is of interest
I woul d have noted it, since to work for
I would have sent that to Cuba.
BLAKEY: Do you speak Russian?
speak Russian at that timer
Did someone in the consulate
CONSUL: Probably today many Cubans speak Russian, buVat that
time inb,3 . , nobody .
BLAKEY: Could you give us the r oute that Oswald would take
to enter your office?
AZCUE: If you want I ' ll make a drawing (he prepares it and
explains it.)
BLAKEY: Would he make some call from the consulate?
AZCUE: It could be that the Secretary authorized some call
but I saw her two years later and she didn't mention anything.
She was a very good friend of mine, and her husband too.
She told me of her adventures with the Mexican government .
She remembered exactly as I did. Exactly . After no more than
two years we remembered perfectly. The Mexican authorities
wanted to implicate · her as a Mexican; she did not have
diplomatic protection; they wanted to implicate her and she
defended herself, she bit and kicked and was a public thing
in the newspaper. They tried to coerce her.
BLAKEY: There are no conversations of you with her about
your memories of the person that you had seen o n TV
and the one that had been there.
AZCUE: I don ' t remember that detail. More than anything the
conversation revolved around the problems of hers with the
Mexican authoriti es .
CORNEWLL: All of the visits of this man we r e carried out during
the work hours of the consulate from 1 0 :00 a . m. to 2 :00 porn.
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CORNWELL: Trying to be careful with the dates as much as possibl \
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AZCUE: No . That cannot be becaus e they are informed of the
documents that they must present .
If you don ' t have those documents you do not
begin the typing process?
AZCUE: No. For what?
CORNWELL: To what point do you remembe r the occasion on
which you argued wi th that man where you told him to leave,
to get out f
AZCUE:The next day filling out the visa .
CORNWELL: When
was it?
AZCUE: Possibly the day after calling for the visa or two days
later. Because he goes to the Soviet Embassy and then
returns to the Cuban Embassy . On the 27th he filled out the
request. On the 28th he goes to the Soviet Embassy, on the
29th probably returned again and the 1 8 th the Soviet Embassy
called me; the most     that it \-vaS · like that,
that is, that would be the logi cal and reasonable process.
CORNWELL: The Cuban government yesterday us with
t hi s doc urn en t . It i s a 1 e t t e r d at e d 0 c t o be r l 5 , l 9 6 3 . I t i s
page 1 2 of the documents.
AZCUE; I do not remember this letter. Well, this is a routine
letter that MINREX sends with re g ard to · visa applications.
(He reads the letter)
CORNWELL: Wer e you still in Mexico on that date?
AZCUE: Yes, of course. This was Comrade Mirabal, the name
of the Consul who had replaced me .
CORNWELL: Do you know if the letter was addressed to Mirabal?
AZCUE: It is possible because he wa s o n the job.
CORNWELL: But you werefttill there when the letter was received?
AZCUE: Yes, but that is logical; I d o n't need the letter. I
had authorization to give a transit visa without necessity
of this letter, knowing that the Soviet Embassy had given the
visa. This is a notification. This does not have anrmplicati \
CORNWELL: If you had had an address s for Os wald on October 15,
would you have gotten in touch with him?
AZCUE: No because I am awaiting the Soviet vi sa.
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CORNWELL: If you will again look at the visa application
seeing the photo that is there . How old would you guess
that that man in the photo is?
AZCUE: 28 or 30. But the o ne I remember would be more
than 35 . It is something that I seem to remember well.
I did not see that photo after that time; this is the
first time that I have seen it after so many years and
the memory that I had of the one who went to the
is different from that face.
CORNWELL:   you. I have no more questions.
STOKES: Could you give us an idea of how long Oswald
stayed in your office the first time?
AZCUE:It is a she ri time. Possibly if there was nobody
10 or 15 minutes altogether because he is informed to
bring his passport, photo, how long it takes, etc. That
exchange of information.
STOKES: So that it woul d take 5 to 1 0 minutes.
AZCUE: On the second occasion he was there longer.
AZCUE : Yes because he has to wait, fill out the form,
put his s{gnature , etc.
STOKES: So how long do you think he was there the s econd
time?
AZCUE: 15 minutes maybe o r more; it,,
the secretary .
STOKES : Within your office how much time would have passed?
AZCUE: It was also fast because with his reference to the
Soviet Embassy he believed that everything would be taken
care of and I explained to him that if the Soviet Embassy
has to consult Moscow I have to consult Havana; it is better
he wait until the Soviet visa arrives. Then
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to me that that is bureaucracy , and then I out .
STOKES: In total, how much time would that argument between
you have taken?
AZCUE: Fast. A fast conversation of 10 minutes wi th me , pos -
sibly with the secretary until calling me)5 minuteJ and with \
me no more than 5 minutes . what I had to explain to him was
fas\ after he gets insulting and then I kick him out .
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STOKES: With r espect to the visa application, it is
supposed that it is signed by Oswald; there is a signature
at the bottom of the application. Whose signature is that?
AZCUE: Possibly this signature is from here from Havana.
Because this one is ours. The signature is this one.
The signature is illegible.
STOKES: We thought that you might remember that signature .
AZCUE: You can see there S. Duran and another last name ... ?
I believe that that signature is from Cuba, it is illegible
but it isn ' t mine; I sign with my last name.
STOKES: On this application there is a section that says
observations. Could you r ead this section so that I can
ask another question?
AZCUE: They are the documents that he presents to us:"The
request er says he is a member of the American Communist Party
and secretary in New Orleans of the Fair Play for Cuba and
that be lived in the Soviet Union from October 1959 to
June 19J 1962 . That there he married a Soviet citizen-
he showed a document that shows he is a member of the two
mentioned organizations , the Communist Party and Fair Play
and the marriage ceremony. He appeared at the Soviet
Embassy of this city , asking that his visa be sent to
the Cuban Embassy . " This is curious, he th,nl:s_s that
we are going to give him the visa because he   that g
it be sent to Cuba . We called the Consulate of the Soviet
Union and lat er they call ed us. I received t he 8
from the Soviet Consu! ate; unless the secretary called the
Embassy, and then the Embassy called me (He continues reading) ' '
and they answered us that they had to wait for the
from Moscow for the visa and that it would take about 4
months ." I r emembered that they had to consult Mosc ow
but not the time .
STOKES : With respect t o this application, when the secretary
wrote it, who dictated it to her?
AZCUE: The secretary in his p r esence .
are made later.
STOKES: Who does it?
These observations
AZCUE: Perhaps the secretary because they are the documents
that he presents and it has no other objective than to
enumerate. the documents that he shows · if they can be of
some use to him.
STOKES: So that none of the information on that application
was taken by you.
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AZCUE: No. That is not my job; it is that secretary ' s.
It is a routine matter and doesn ' t have so much importance
for the Consul to take care of it .
STOKES: Besides Silvia Duran, were there other secretaries
in you office and Mirabal ' s?
AZCUe: No, no other .
STOKES:Doesn ' t the request also indicate that Oswald wanted
to travel to Cuba on Sept . 30?
AZCUE: (Reads) "Proposed date o f arrival lr'l Cuba, Sept. 30."
STOKES: After the assassination of President Kennedy the
name of Lee Harvey Oswald became very important and as a
result of this attracted the attention of your Government to
all of these facts and it must have been very important to
your Government .
AZCUE: First I went to the Ministry of Foreign Relations
and talked with Nilo and Roa . The n they called the Ministry
of the Interior; they saw the importance that my statements
had.
STOKES: Were ther e stenographers who took notes?
AZCUE: No. My interview was personal with Com. Pineiro.
STOKES: if there may have been a stenographe r
present?
AZCUE: No, what I am explaining is that given the importance,
Commander Pineiro asked me something like 80   many
more than you are . doing .
: Did you si gn some rec o rd of statement?
AZCUE: No . No . That was a background statement . We had coffee
something like three times .
STOKES: I would like our interest in talking with Mr. Pineiro
to be taken into account .
DODD: There is a blue stamp that has a date at the bott o m
of the application.
AZCUE: It is very possible that it is ours because Sept.
2 7 t o 0 c t . l 0 a r e 1 3 days , my Co n s u 1 at e .1 nd T l J
so that this appliication had to leave in the next

on our plane of Cubana that never was more than 3 or 4 days
or in other words I believe that this was the receipt stamp
here although it doesn ' t have anything else .
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AZCUE: In Cuba. I had already written down the date and
it seems strange to me. The valise was being picked up and
sent to Cuba.
BLAKEY: I have nothing more to ask,
AZCUE: Alfredo Mirabal or I could have signed it . But it
wasn't necessary because it was the stamp of the Consulate.
BLAKEY: You indicated previously that you also learned at
one time of the investigations on the part of Mr . Garrinson
and that at that time you remembered that the person could
not have been the same one. Did you talk to someone at that
time'l
AZCUE: Yes, of course. I talked to who was the Director
of the Ministry of the office of the Minister of Foreign
Relations, and with Lechuga . He's called Nilo Otero .
BLAKEY: Did he get in touch?
AZCUE: He was going to. Fidel Castro exposed to the wo rld
these situations that had appeared. Fidel said all of this
in his speech. We no longer had anything to talk about.
BLAKEY : At this time nothing more occurs t o me to ask.
Allow me if other thoughts occur to ask you a question through
your Government.
STOKES: You reported that you talked with Commander Pineiro
and wi th vbo else?
AZCUE: Officially with the office of Foreign Relations and
with Commande r Pineiro. Then I was able to repeat the textual
that I had spoken. And now I remember perfectly.
STOKES : You have said these things in private'l
AZ CUE: Yes, with companions, above all that they wanted to
blame us.
BLAKEY: Did you have occasion to see the report that was done?
AZCUE: I had an interview and I said the same thing that I have
said here .
BLAKEY: Allow me to call your attention to photo 60 of the
That face is not familiar to you ,
AZCUE: No (the photo is of Jack

       
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STOKES: In the name of our COmmittee we want to express
our appreciat i on for having come to talk to us and to
submit to our interrogat ion .
BUERGO: We too would like to thank you for your participation
and we hope that you can be satisfied with the answers by
Mr. Azcue .
Translated by Deanna Hammo nd
CRS Language Services Sect i o n
December 1978
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