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Started by SonOfTheGods, Apr 13 2014 01:57 PM
caveat caveat,,
SonOfTheGods
Beginners-Rules-Warnings-Cautions

I am Not Responsible if you hurt yourself.
This is for Educational use only.
I am not doctor.
I also do not have a fancy Certificate or Diploma.
I also do not charge outrageous prices for anything.
Actually I do not sell anything, at all - period.
The only motivational factor behind this forum is
Altruism, not agenda.


This Forum, I put together, can never take the place of actual
''one-on-one'' instruction.

This being said, not everyone can afford a personal
trainer/teacher/holy guru

Some people, due to location, finances, responsibiltiies, etc will
never, ever- have access to a trainer/teacher/holy guru

Many people, who visit this forum, are seekers of truth,
researchers- and those who only want to learn solo.
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They trust their own instincts.

They read books, visit web sites and watch videos, maybe buy a
DVD, exchange emails, etc

Some of these people- a small minority, also want extraordinary
power- not just enlightenment or better health.

Then, on the other hand- a minute amount of people are wanting
to venture to the land of Immortality.

This can cause a lot of confusion going at this Alone

Thus, the purpose of this forum.
Edited by SonOfTheGods, 15 April 2014 - 01:01 PM.
SonOfTheGods
The irony is some teachers will say teaching students over the
phone or in email is valid.

They also say they can send energy/transmissions/mufflers to
students long distance.

But having a FREE forum to do it- apparently- is bad.

Controlling the flow of money energy is complicated and
competitive.

If I offer competitive knowledge- i.e., = path to self-power for
free... it is going to ruffle the feathers of some people who seek to
to do as a profe$$ion (money)
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Edited by SonOfTheGods, 15 April 2014 - 11:36 AM.
SonOfTheGods
I Understand there will be many Lurkers.

Most forum visitors are takers- and not givers.

That is understandable.

Also some individuals would like to post on My PPF but can not
because it conflicts with their teacher's rules (I'm free
competition)

&/or some have vested interests/agendas &/or may have other
forums/cults and can not compromise the fringe/cult leader's
rules, etc

It's all cool with me.

However, some of these people due to their inability to
post on here- Email/PM/Private Message me.

The time it takes for me to personally answer a private message
could be better applied by posting those questions on the forum so
everyone can benefit.

I understand some have personal issues, but most of them have to
do with. . Mo Pai.

So please read this now - before you message me later -
about Mo Pai.

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In My Opinion- Mo Pai is DEAD.

70 unknown levels out of 72 -makes it unusable

If you are Western/Caucasian it is off limits to you
anyway.

Seeking information any place OTHER THAN from John
Chang- Personally-- is going to get you confused or even
hurt.

So forget it.

If you still want to look for unknown/false/invented Mo Pai
hidden levels via:

DragonBall Z
or from other books
or from Wudang Mountain
or from oracles
or from any other sources- that's all fine by me.


JUST DO NOT ASK ME ABOUT MOPAI
I DO NOT DO MOPAI
I DO NOT CARE ABOUT MOPAI.


Having Immense power comes from Quantum levels of
entanglment/accumulation of previous life times.

*IF* you are supposed to develop these Immense Power/Abilities
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it will come to you via NeiGong & Neidan

If you are desperate in shooting electric/nuke bolts out of your
hands- buy a laser or nuclear sling shot (I hear they're all the rage
nowdays)

If producing fire makes you thrilled, buy a Flame Thrower

( or maybe just grow up )

However if the yearning for learning is what you Seek- continue on
with My Forum
____
http://thetaobums.co...wbies/?p=540625
(http://thetaobums.com/topic/34481-warnings-for-newbies
/?p=540625)
BaguaKicksAss, on 14 Apr 2014 - 17:42, said:
Did you know that 33.5% of the google searches that bring
people to our forum are for "John Chang"?
Edited by SonOfTheGods, 15 April 2014 - 02:19 PM.
Apech
So how do you feel about Mo Pai?
Posted 16 April 2014 - 02:51 AM
SonOfTheGods
Apech, on 16 Apr 2014 - 02:51, said:
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LDT: Owner's Manual = Symptoms of the Fully Charged
Started by SonOfTheGods, Apr 27 2014 11:02 AM
Pearl Pearl,,
SonOfTheGods
The Ancients referred to the Lower Tan Tien as a Pearl

Pearl is also mentioned in other religions:

Gnostic hymn
Hindu scriptures
Hebrew scriptures
New Testament scriptures
Islamic scriptures
Mormon scriptures

Why would the Lower Tan Tien be referred to as a Pearl?


Quote
A pearl is a hard object produced within the soft tissue
(specifically the mantle) of a living shelled mollusc. Just like the
shell of a clam, a pearl is made up of calcium carbonate in
minute crystalline form, which has been deposited in concentric
layers.


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A solid Crystalline structure/object, compressed in
layers, formed inside soft tissue, inside another living &
solid organic body.

That is My Definition

If you open up a Mollusc, you see a slippery shiny moist
substance.
That is where you find the pearl

Think about this, Meditate about this.

This is how the Lower Tan Tien is born

There also Natural and Cultured Pearl

One is real and grown over time, and the other is manufactured-
Imitation

Also, Meditate about that.

______________________

Ley Lines are Yin Streams

These streams run @ 90 Degree Angles/Perpendicular: Earth To
Sky

Yang (Blue Plasma) Lightning & Rain - Storm clouds- Passing
over Ley Lines-
create Nature's Tan Tien's:
-Tornados

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You Only hear this from Me

I posted another thread about Dowsing and understanding
various Yin Layers/Levels throughout the Earth

The Earth has differing potentials of Yin Qi

Some areas under the soil:

Rich black fertile soil versus sand, clay &/or dead soil.

Fossil - Oil Deposits as well as Mineral, Quartz, Gold, Iron Ore,
Magnetic Lodestone, etc etc etc

Organic life-forms

Water running / negative ions / streams

Under the Earth- like Sedimentary layers- the Yin fluctuates.

Deep down- the Earth's core runs like an engine.

Again as I said prior- under my feet and under your feet is very
differing amount of Yin Qi- the variables are forever changing with
your every step.

There are also water pipes, electric cable, fiber optics, phone/land-
lines, gas pipes etc

take all into consideration- Above You: analog waves, WiFi,
microwave, gamma, ultra-violet, cell phone, etc through out the
sky/rays/network- like a web

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take all this into account
Above you
Below you
Edited by SonOfTheGods, 27 April 2014 - 01:12 PM.
SonOfTheGods
Electromagnetic Waves - What are Radio Waves?
Radio waves are part of the electromagnetic spectrum
(http://www.gcsescience.com/pwav47.htm) .
Radio waves are used for broadcasting radio and TV programmes.
The transmitted (http://www.gcsescience.com/pwav54.htm)
information may be in the form of an
analogue (http://www.gcsescience.com/pwav55.htm) or a digital
(http://www.gcsescience.com/pwav56.htm) signal and uses a
radio wave as a carrier (http://www.gcsescience.com
/pwav55.htm) .

What are Ground Waves, Sky Waves and Space Waves?
Very long wavelength radio waves can travel all the way
around the Earth, diffracting (http://www.gcsescience.com
/pwav43.htm) around the Earth's surface.
These are sometimes called ground waves.
Medium wavelength (http://www.gcsescience.com/pwav4.htm)
radio waves are reflected (http://www.gcsescience.com
/pwav18.htm) from
an electrically charged region of the Earth's
atmosphere called the ionosphere. These waves
are sometimes called sky waves and they can
also be sent from one part of the planet to another.
Shorter wavelength radio waves pass straight through
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the atmosphere and cannot be used to send
information all the way around the Earth's surface.
These waves are sometimes called space waves
and can be used to send information
in a straight line across the Earth's surface.
SonOfTheGods
Quote
Calcium carbonate shares the typical properties of other
carbonates. Notably:
it reacts with strong acids, releasing carbon dioxide
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide) :
CaCO
3(s)
+ 2 HCl
(aq)
CaCl
2(aq)
+ CO
2(g)
+ H
2
O
(l)
it releases carbon dioxide on heating, called a thermal
decomposition (http://en.wikipedia.org
/wiki/Thermal_decomposition) reaction, or calcination
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calcination) , (to above
840 C in the case of CaCO
3
), to form calcium oxide
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calcium_oxide) , commonly
called quicklime (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quicklime) ,
with reaction enthalpy (http://en.wikipedia.org
/wiki/Enthalpy) 178 kJ / mole:
CaCO
3(s)
CaO
(s)
+ CO
2(g)
Calcium carbonate will react with water that is saturated with
carbon dioxide to form the soluble calcium bicarbonate
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calcium_bicarbonate) .
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CaCO
3
+ CO
2
+ H
2
O Ca(HCO
3
)
2
This reaction is important in the erosion
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erosion) of carbonate rocks
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbonate_rock) , forming
caverns (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cavern) , and leads to
hard water (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_water) in
many regions.


Biological sources
Eggshells, snail shells and most seashells are predominantly
calcium carbonate and can be used as industrial sources of that
chemical.
[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org
/wiki/Calcium_carbonate#cite_note-6)
Oyster shells have
enjoyed recent recognition as a source of dietary calcium, but
are also a practical industrial source.
[7]
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calcium_carbonate#cite_note-7)
[8] (http://en.wikipedia.org
/wiki/Calcium_carbonate#cite_note-8)
While not practical as
an industrial source, dark green vegetables such as Broccoli and
Kale contain dietarily significant amounts of calcium carbonate.

Health and dietary applications
(http://en.wikipedia.org
/wiki/File:500_mg_calcium_supplements_with_vitamin_D.jp
g)
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(http://en.wikipedia.org
/wiki/File:500_mg_calcium_supplements_with_vitamin_D.jp
g)
500-milligram calcium supplements made from calcium
carbonate
Calcium carbonate is widely used medicinally as an inexpensive
dietary calcium supplement or gastric antacid
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antacid) .
[18]
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calcium_carbonate#cite_note-
medline-18)
It may be used as a phosphate binder
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phosphate_binder) for the
treatment of hyperphosphatemia (http://en.wikipedia.org
/wiki/Hyperphosphatemia) (primarily in patients with chronic
renal failure (http://en.wikipedia.org
/wiki/Chronic_renal_failure) ). It is also used in the
pharmaceutical industry as an inert filler
(http://en.wikipedia.org
/wiki/Excipients#Fillers_and_diluents) for tablets
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tablet_%28pharmacy%29) and
other pharmaceuticals (http://en.wikipedia.org
/wiki/Pharmaceuticals) .
[19] (http://en.wikipedia.org
/wiki/Calcium_carbonate#cite_note-19)
Calcium carbonate is known among IBS
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irritable_Bowel_Syndrome)
sufferers to help reduce diarrhea
[citation needed
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed) ]
.
Some individuals report being symptom-free since starting
supplementation. The process in which calcium carbonate
reduces diarrhea is by binding water in the bowel, which creates
a stool that is firmer and better formed. Calcium carbonate
supplements are often combined with magnesium in various
proportions. This should be taken into account as magnesium is
known to cause diarrhea (http://en.wikipedia.org
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/wiki/Diarrhea) .
Calcium carbonate is used in the production of toothpaste and
has seen a resurgence as a food preservative and color retainer,
when used in or with products such as organic apples or
food.
[20] (http://en.wikipedia.org
/wiki/Calcium_carbonate#cite_note-20)
Excess calcium from supplements, fortified food and
high-calcium diets, can cause the milk-alkali syndrome
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milk-alkali_syndrome) , which
has serious toxicity and can be fatal. In 1915, Bertram Sippy
introduced the "Sippy regimen" of hourly ingestion of milk and
cream, and the gradual addition of eggs and cooked cereal, for
10 days, combined with alkaline powders, which provided
symptomatic relief for peptic ulcer disease. Over the next
several decades, the Sippy regimen resulted in renal failure
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renal_failure) , alkalosis
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alkalosis) , and hypercalcaemia
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypercalcaemia) , mostly in men
with peptic ulcer disease. These adverse effects were reversed
when the regimen stopped, but it was fatal in some patients
with protracted vomiting. Milk alkali syndrome declined in men
after effective treatments for peptic ulcer
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peptic_ulcer) disease arose.
During the past 15 years, it has been reported in women taking
calcium supplements above the recommended range of 1.2 to
1.5 g daily, for prevention and treatment of osteoporosis, and is
exacerbated by dehydration (http://en.wikipedia.org
/wiki/Dehydration) . Calcium has been added to over-the-
counter products, which contributes to inadvertent excessive
intake. Excessive calcium intake can lead to hypercalcemia
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypercalcemia) , complications
of which include vomiting, abdominal pain and altered mental
status.
[21] (http://en.wikipedia.org
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/wiki/Calcium_carbonate#cite_note-21)
As a food additive (http://en.wikipedia.org
/wiki/Food_additive) it is designated E170;
[22]
(http://en.wikipedia.org
/wiki/Calcium_carbonate#cite_note-22)
INS number 170. Used
as an acidity regulator, anticaking agent, stabiliser or colour it is
approved for usage in the EU,
[23] (http://en.wikipedia.org
/wiki/Calcium_carbonate#cite_note-23)
USA
[24]
(http://en.wikipedia.org
/wiki/Calcium_carbonate#cite_note-24)
and Australia
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia) and New Zealand
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand) .
[25]
(http://en.wikipedia.org
/wiki/Calcium_carbonate#cite_note-25)
It is used in some soy
milk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soy_milk) and almond milk
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Almond_milk) products as a
source of dietary calcium; one study suggests that calcium
carbonate might be as bioavailable (http://en.wikipedia.org
/wiki/Bioavailable) as the calcium in cow's milk.
[26]
(http://en.wikipedia.org
/wiki/Calcium_carbonate#cite_note-26)
Calcium carbonate is
also used as a firming agent (http://en.wikipedia.org
/wiki/Firming_agent) in many canned or bottled vegetable
products.
http://en.wikipedia....lcium_carbonate (http://en.wikipedia.org
/wiki/Calcium_carbonate)
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SonOfTheGods
"Symptoms" of a Fully Charged LDT:

Posted 27 April 2014 - 12:39 PM
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In My unique case:
This Thread needd to be Bumped Up from the Second
Page OUR Forum:

Kundalini:
Posted 12 April 2014 - 12:44 PM
http://thetaobums.co...4458-kundalini/ (http://thetaobums.com
/topic/34458-kundalini/)
Edited by SonOfTheGods, 27 April 2014 - 01:16 PM.
SonOfTheGods
"Symptoms" of a Fully Charged LDT:

First, fully charged means what?

For the Lower Tan Tien to be fully charged that means that both
Tum Mo & Jen Mo/ front & back/ Meridians are flowing.

We have meridians (i.e.: yin yang heel meridians) that will always
"Circulate" away any surplus of Qi built up in the LDT.

The myth of a man having a chi-belly is fabrication.

Jing Qi Shen is a process.


You do not Voluntarily Decide if you "are going to do the
MicroCosmic Orbit/MCO .., or Not"

MCO is an automatic function:

However, using Yi to guide it in your Meditations is YOUR
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CHOICE.

While you were a fetus, all this developed for you.


Once the Tum Mo & Jen Mo are functioning adequately, and you
start to develop a surplus of Jing to spare, from all other bodily
functions, (only -afterwards)- then, your LDT starts to gain
momentum.

Again, a process.

If your Mingmen starts to ache every time you do the MCO, with
Yi- that can sometimes mean your Jing limit is being maximized
and the pain is signaling Jing limited resources is being
expended.

Semenal Retention is necessry during these early stages.

Once all is well, then the next stage in process develops.

The Taji Pole/ Central Channel goes into active gear- meaning-
you sense it with your Yi and you may start to feel involuntary
contractions/Vibrations in your LDT.

When the Central Channel coordinates Qi- which is YinYang
accumulation- the Middle Tan Tien gets "fed"

In Advanced stages, it will start to protrude.
Appears almost like a hernia pushing out- but it can be
voluntarily controlled to move in and out.
I can do this, as mine exceeds approx 1 1/2 inches out- and a
deep round pocket inner.
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This was discussed on another thread.

You will start to feel the right hand get hot, tingly.
Both hands can happen, but primarily the Laogong and Daling
points on the Right Hand.

Warmth generally expands to heart area sometimes too

The heat you feel in LDT will eventually subside once a large
accumulation of Yin Yang build in 1:1 ratio.

Yin is cooling and the heat is Yang Friction.

The cool Qi flow is what we want when we ascend that flow into
the Niwan and BaiHui

If your lower Tan Tien always stays HOT, then trying to combine
that in your Brain would melt it.

Think about how hot your LDT can get,.

This is the Problem of Kundalini.

IT is HOT Fiery magma pouring into your skull.

Not Good

You will feel pressure at Occipital Points behind skull, and feel
pulses along your neck.

The Right Vagus nerve feels like a heart beat going into Carotid
Artery- Right side.

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Again, the amount of Info I am providing on this is very rare to
find anywhere else especially For FREE


Once the Qi is flowing into Third Tan Tien, it is already in Shen
process mode via the Middle Tan Tien

You will know this because when you discuss or read anything
pertaining to spirituality- you will feel the energy dancing on your
scalp and front hairline/True 3rd Eye.

Also when you put Yi by your LDT immediately that central
channel lights up and you feel all 3 Tan Tiens become pressurized
and bursting from their containers.


SonOfTheGods, on 27 Apr 2014 - 12:39, said:
"Symptoms" of a Fully Charged LDT:

In My unique case:
This Thread needd to be Bumped Up from the Second
Page OUR Forum:

Kundalini:
Posted 12 April 2014 - 12:44 PM
http://thetaobums.co...4458-kundalini/
(http://thetaobums.com/topic/34458-kundalini/)
Edited by SonOfTheGods, 27 April 2014 - 02:21 PM.
SonOfTheGods
Advanced:
Posted 27 April 2014 - 01:55 PM
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Also- ejaculation will no longer interfere with your Qi surplus
SonOfTheGods
Whenever I am posting/reading TaoBums, I am in Full Lotus as to
assimilate/subliminate the flow


When I laugh, that lower abdominal massage really gets my LDT
percolating
Edited by SonOfTheGods, 27 April 2014 - 02:59 PM.
Posted 27 April 2014 - 02:58 PM
BaguaKicksAss
Speaking of ldt.... any chance I could get your opinion on my most
recent question in my PPF? Since you know quite a bit about my
practice, and about LDTs....

Darn confusing things they are.
Posted 27 April 2014 - 03:04 PM
SonOfTheGods
BaguaKicksAss, on 27 Apr 2014 - 15:04, said:
Speaking of ldt.... any chance I could get your opinion on my
most recent question in my PPF? Since you know quite a bit
about my practice, and about LDTs....

Darn confusing things they are.
Of course!

be right there!
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Uroboros
How do you "store" Yin and Yang?

Do they both just gather at the same time? You said in Yin Field
that Yin and Yang are always together..if so, is there something
specific we need to do to store/ generate each one in a purer form?

A fully charged LDT is a big goal of mine!
Edited by Uroboros, 28 April 2014 - 06:23 PM.
Posted 28 April 2014 - 06:04 PM
Captain Mar-Vell
...

Quote
One is real and grown over time, and the other is
manufactured- Imitation.

Could you clarify this statement please?

I am neither any more artificial, nor any less human, than any
man or woman on this planet.

God's own truth.

XXX

ps if you refer to a sensitive subject, just say it is sensitive and I
will understand, coff, coff, joe 90, coff.
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Edited by Captain Mar-Vell, 28 April 2014 - 09:24 PM.
joeblast
Uroboros, on 28 Apr 2014 - 18:04, said:
How do you "store" Yin and Yang?

Do they both just gather at the same time? You said in Yin Field
that Yin and Yang are always together..if so, is there something
specific we need to do to store/ generate each one in a purer
form?

A fully charged LDT is a big goal of mine!
practice, practice, practice. the word wasnt really store. what's
gong fu mean? how's your gongfu? energy-time. angular
momentum, energetic gradient-potential. it only increases so
much per unit of cultivation-time, and we can also intellectually
include a qualitative coefficient in that equation also.

by practicing and refining, the energies that make up the
bodymindspirit come into greater harmony, and more
harmonious = streamlined and higher amplitude potential.

that's why the utter and complete stillness is so important, it being
a direct corollary to cultivated harmonious amplitudes and all.
yang does not reach its greatest extent unless fully supported by a
strong complimenting yin. so you do the yang meditation bits like
ldt breathing or other energy center work or what have you,
balanced by the depths you are able to cultivate. its like
comparing jumping on the ground vs jumping on a trampoline in
a way.
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"G.O.D."
Started by SonOfTheGods, Apr 27 2014 03:47 PM
SonOfTheGods
Artificial Intelligence/A.I. = is a network of computers (Slave-
class) all linked up to the Mainframe (Master) computer

The Artifical Intelliigence is a matrix of the host and all linking
computers sharing program data.

The more the individual computers are programmed with
knowledge, the more "omniscient" the Master programmed
computer gets.

Each individual computer is only partial programmed with
limited data, while only the Master computer experiences/shares
(everyone's individual) computer data.

However, without the finite limited data of all the computers, the
Master is program-less

Collectively, "Primordial Consciousness" (G.O.D.) is the sum of
the combined/collected Organic consciousness / Mass-Unified
Experience/Inputs

Upload/DownLoad = Simulation..

We are the reversed-engineered GOD
Posted 27 April 2014 - 03:47 PM
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GrandmasterP
AI koans here.... http://www.whatdoyou...er/aikoans.html
(http://www.whatdoyouthinkmyfriend.com/Lighter
/aikoans.html)
Posted 27 April 2014 - 03:56 PM
SonOfTheGods
http://thetaobums.co...ysticism/page-2 (http://thetaobums.com
/topic/31213-christian-mysticism/page-2)
SonOfTheGods, on 20 Aug 2013 - 10:33, said:
Melchizedek is introduced as the king of Salem, and
priest of El Elyon ("God most high").
Genesis 14:18-20
Abram/Abraham makes a covenant with El Elyon, who
is NOT Yahweh.
In Christianity, according to the Letter to the Hebrews,
Jesus Christ is identified as a priest forever in the
order of Melchizedek, and so Jesus assumes the role of
High Priest once and for all.

jeruSALEM
So, according to the myth, Jesus is the son of a
Canaanite diety.
Some scholars provide a theophoric association on the latter
part of the name, edeq ("righteousness") as an epithet of a
Canaanite god, translating to "Sedeq is my king/lord"
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Therefore, jesus would be a Pagan diety, relating to the
Canaanite pantheon.

So, in Hermetiic Mysticism, this is one of the Biggest
secrets.

Below are some scriptures that present my case,
further.
___________
"El has taken his place in the assembly of EL, in the midst of the
elohim He holds judgment."
Psalm 82:1:
"Ascribe to Yahweh, O sons of EL, ascribe to Yahweh glory and
strength."
Psalm 29:1:
"For who in the skies can be compared to Yahweh, who among
the sons of EL is like Yahweh,"
Psalm 89:6:
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This is based on the traditional Hebrew text, otherwise
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known as the Masoretic text (MT). Now look at a much
older version of this text that was found in the Dead
Sea Scrolls and matches the Greek Septuagint text:
"When El Elyon gave to the nations their inheritance,
when he separated the sons of men,
he fixed the bounds of the peoples according to the number of
the sons of God.
For Yahweh's portion is his people,
Jacob his allotted inheritance."
The older text clearly shows that El Elyon is the father
of all the gods, and Yahweh is simply one of his sons.
El Elyon divides up the various nations and allocates a
portion to Yahweh. The later version of the text simply
merged these two gods into a single being.
-----------------
There are other clues that there were originally
multiple gods, take Psalm 82 for example, where
Yahweh stands in the council of the gods.
1. Psalm of Asaph. God stands in the council of the gods; he
judges among the gods.
2. How long will you judge unjustly, and show preference to the
wicked? Selah.
3. Judge the poor and the orphans; do righteousness to the
afflicted and dispossessed.
4. Deliver the poor and oppressed; save them from the hand of
the evil.
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5. They do not know and they have no understanding; they walk
about in darkness. All the foundations of the earth are shaken.
6. I said, You are gods, and children of Elyon, every one of
you.
7. But you will die like mortals, and fall like one of the princes.
8. Rise up, O God, and judge the earth, for you have inherited
all the nations.

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SonOfTheGods Special Super Secret Power Elixir!
Started by SonOfTheGods, Apr 13 2014 01:43 PM
Elixir Elixir,,
SonOfTheGods
Not really

and pretty inexpensive


1/2 cup of strong black coffee
1/2 of 1 Aspirin

45 minutes before Meditation

Then:

20 minutes after consuming the above-

1/2 teaspoon Sodium Bicarbonate/baking soda- in a warm glass of
clean water- to which is added 1 teaspoon of Organic Apple Cider
Vinegar "with the Mother in it"- let it bubble up and foam. Once it
is finished, drink it

Do not do this everytime you Meditate.
Use it for when you want that "special one"
Edited by SonOfTheGods, 13 April 2014 - 01:46 PM.
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SonOfTheGods, on 13 Apr 2014 - 13:43, said:
Not really

and pretty inexpensive


1/2 cup of strong black coffee
1/2 of 1 Aspirin

45 minutes before Meditation

Then:

20 minutes after consuming the above-

1/2 teaspoon Sodium Bicarbonate/baking soda- in a warm glass
of clean water- to which is added 1 teaspoon of Organic Apple
Cider Vinegar "with the Mother in it"- let it bubble up and foam.
Once it is finished, drink it

Do not do this everytime you Meditate.
Use it for when you want that "special one"
Posted 13 April 2014 - 02:48 PM
Uroboros
SonOfTheGods, on 13 Apr 2014 - 14:48, said:
SonOfTheGods, on 13 Apr 2014 - 13:43, said:
Not really
Posted 13 April 2014 - 02:53 PM
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and pretty inexpensive


1/2 cup of strong black coffee
1/2 of 1 Aspirin

45 minutes before Meditation

Then:

20 minutes after consuming the above-

1/2 teaspoon Sodium Bicarbonate/baking soda- in a warm
glass of clean water- to which is added 1 teaspoon of Organic
Apple Cider Vinegar "with the Mother in it"- let it bubble up
and foam. Once it is finished, drink it

Do not do this everytime you Meditate.
Use it for when you want that "special one"


The only part I am iffy about is the aspirin...Took way too much of
that stuff years ago.

I will give it a go, though!

Thanks for sharing, SOTG!
SonOfTheGods
Uroboros, on 13 Apr 2014 - 14:53, said:
Posted 13 April 2014 - 02:55 PM
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The only part I am iffy about is the aspirin...Took way too much
of that stuff years ago.

I will give it a go, though!

Thanks for sharing, SOTG!
yes minus the aspirin then
Uroboros
SonOfTheGods, on 13 Apr 2014 - 14:55, said:
yes minus the aspirin then

It will still work?

Thats fantastic! Then I will do it with much more vigor!
Posted 13 April 2014 - 02:59 PM
SonOfTheGods
Uroboros, on 13 Apr 2014 - 14:59, said:
It will still work?

Thats fantastic! Then I will do it with much more vigor!
yes it will work

"salts" carry ions - electric feeling
Posted 13 April 2014 - 03:01 PM
SonOfTheGods
Posted 17 April 2014 - 10:32 AM
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SonOfTheGods, on 13 Apr 2014 - 15:01, said:
yes it will work

"salts" carry ions - electric feeling
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The Tao Bums Back Room Personal Practice Discussion SonOfTheGods
Mixing & Matching= It's All the Same
Started by SonOfTheGods, Today, 11:02 AM
SonOfTheGods
Various Techniques- can take you, up the mountain, with
variables thrown in, to make that "Road" a bit more "Appealing"
Traditionalists and Purists may not like this approach, but it is
truth.
Magickians who were Traditionalists hated Chaos mages, for this
reason.

They stripped down all the dogma,

and kept only what worked.

Quote
Jeet Kune Do: is an eclectic and hybrid martial art system
and philosophy of life founded by the martial artist Bruce Lee

Energetics - Kung Fu - Tai Chi - Qi Gong - Nei Gong - Nei Dan =
Jin Dan/Golden Elixir/Pill


Posted Today, 11:02 AM
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These are the Foundations/Basics
in any worthy system:

Meditation/Stillness/Unified-Mind=Alpha State
Understanding energy
Recognize Energy
Feel energy
Move the energy
-and for some,
Compress/Condense the energy

Then the "routine" is performed again, with a higher octave
of Yi.

Yi/Qi equation

All the rest is:
tenets, dogma, rules, laws, religion, guide lines,
lineage, etc.,
Some "systems" need a teacher to:
administer/shaktipat/transmission the energy =
this is one of those "special variables" that make their $$$System
more "appealing" = i.e., Get you there faster.
However, everything you need you already have within you- it is
all internal (arts)- you need nothing external
I do not need a set of laws and regulations to teach me
how to behave properly.

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Do You?

All "Systems/Protocols" allude to the same thing, just in
differing terminology
End result= The initial goal
All paths lead up the same mountain

How High You Want/Will To Go, Is Up To You:
Again: "Then the "routine" is performed again, with a higher
octave of Yi".
Look at an Acupuncture Chart-
those points are always the same

To the spectator it appears to be random mixing
To the skilled practitioner it is Evolving


Some people want to become Immortal- but first, they need to
Evolve/Progress into Responsible Adults:

"Put Your Yi, Where Your Mouth Is"

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Kundalini
Started by SonOfTheGods, Apr 12 2014 12:44 PM
Kundalini Kundalini,,
SonOfTheGods
A True Kundalini Awakening is a GAME CHANGER!

You do NOT PAY $ for this!

You are the SUM ACCUMULATION OF MANY LIFE
TIMES.

Kim Kardashian does not have enough money to have her
KUNDALINI RAISED BY ANYONE

Smoking some dope and thinking your kundalinijust popped is
NONSENSE

Getting SHAKTIPAT to have "an Awakening" is BULLSHIT.

I DARE any Teacher WORLD WIDE to DEBATE ME.

I had A REAL AUTHENTIC KUNDALINI AWAKENING
My Life was OVER.
O V E R !

I had to RETIRE
I Ceased ALL Interactions with Humanity
Posted 12 April 2014 - 12:44 PM
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I got Divorced.

My Ideologies for the most part flipped, inverted- turned inside
out.

I was a world class Power Lifter
And future MMA Hall Of Famer

I WAS FINISHED AFTER THAT "EVENT".

TWENTY FIVE 25 YEARS LATER still Flowing
POWERFUL!
24/7!

If you can still function, normally, in society- still keep your job,
old relationships, etc

YOU DID NOT HAVE A REAL KUNDALINI AWAKENING!


I was into Magick.
Kundalini Road took me into madness and then Qi Work.

I "suddenly knew" how to squeeze the floor, sit on my ankle under
perineum, how to do red phoenix, yoga assanas- THIS WAS 1990-
long before the Internet and Kundalini was FASHIONABLE AND
TRENDY & MAINSTREAM.

Info would be Downloaded into my consciousness at mach speeds

Gopi Khishna was the only other dude who I knew did this stuff.

Years later, Glenn Morris.
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Now days- even my Neighbor's Cat has "kundalini"


Not every "Kundalini Syndrome" case-- is Kundalini

Sorry, but real authentic Kundalini is RARE

SonOfTheGods, on 15 Apr 2014 - 18:40, said:
Pranotthana or Kundalini?
Swami Santaram Saraswati
Director Satyananda Ashram, Spain
Recently a large number of books and magazines have been
published concerning investigations into the reality of
kundalini. Unfortunately, much of what has been written shows
only a very preliminary and partial knowledge of the actual
awakening process. In many texts, the pranotthana or release of
pranic force within the body has been confused with the actual
awakening of kundalini. Pranotthana is the first thing that
happens as the individual evolves, and it is this release of
energy which triggers off the actual awakening of kundalini.
Without pranotthana the kundalini is not awakened.
There are two ways in which pranotthana can take place. The
first is by regular practice of asanas, pranayama, concentration
and meditation techniques. Through these practices, the prana
is gradually released in the body, starting the preliminary
process of purification of organs, glands, nervous system, brain
and nadis. The complete purification comes only with the
kundalini awakening and rising to the brain.
The second way in which pranotthana occurs is by shaktipat,
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the awakening of energy effected by a guru. Shaktipat does not
directly awaken kundalini, it only releases the prana of the
disciple. However, it is this prana in movement that awakens
the kundalini. The time it takes to do so depends on the mental
and physical impurities of the disciple as well as on his attitude
towards the guru who gave him shaktipat and towards this new
process working in him.
Whether pranotthana occurs by individual efforts or by the
activation of one's prana by a guru, the fact is that this is not
kundalini awakening as many people are saying. The confusion
perhaps came about because the process which pranotthana
affects on the body and mind of the individual is somewhat
similar in the beginning to that of kundalini awakening. Some
books state that this energy - kundalini - awoke and rose up to
the brain, either straight away or after a few times, in many
individuals. Nevertheless, these people carried on with their
normal lives, apart from an improvement in health and mental
clarity. This shows that it was not the kundalini energy that rose
to the brain, but the pranic force released by pranotthana. This
force follows the same pathways as does kundalini energy. It
starts in mooladhara and ascends the spine, purifying the
chakras, partially but not completely, until it reaches the brain.
This pranic force thus makes it easier for the kundalini
purificatory process which will come about at a later time.
As the pranic force purifies, it creates automatic body
movements, spontaneous asanas, pranayamas, visions of lights,
etc. as it encounters inner physiological and psychological
blockages. Once pranotthana has finished its initial work of
purification, it normally stabilises itself for a time, before it
starts dealing with the kundalini energy,. After a time, kundalini
awakens. With the kundalini awakening, spontaneous
movements, mudras, bandhas, pranayamas, generation of a lot
of heat, psychic visions, etc. start occurring. But these are of a
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more intense and deeper nature than those caused by
pranotthana. It is now that spontaneous natural meditation
occurs and not before. It is now that real purification takes
place, and the state of consciousness of the individual radically
changes. A higher state of awareness automatically dawns on
the individual, and his behaviour, relations with his
environment, understanding of things, etc. changes completely.
He definitely seems to be a different personality. Powerful
changes occur in every field of his physiology and psychology.
Automatically, the man starts becoming more subtle and
spiritual, or on the other hand, starts behaving like a neurotic. If
he still has many blockages - not having purified himself by the
practice of asanas, pranayamas, mudras, bandhas,
concentration, karma yoga, etc. - the awakening can cause
temporary insanity. Such people may spend some time in the
mental hospital. These extreme cases occur when inexperienced
individuals try to awaken their kundalini energy through
unscientific methods, without any preparation. However, when
properly initiated and guided by an experienced guru, kundalini
awakening is a spiritual rebirth for the aspirant.
However, everything does not end here. Awakening of kundalini
in itself is not a difficult thing, what is important is the
ascending of the energy through the sushumna passage, and
this is not easy, truly it isn't. The awakening can be effected by
any guru or by your own efforts in yoga, but what then? The
ascent through sushumna is clogged with samskaras, physical
and psychic impurities. These great barriers are the obstacles
which the kundalini energy itself will have to pull down and
burn. This process will affect the aspirant in many ways causing
great physical transformation, psychic visions, e.s.p.
experiences, strange illnesses, unconsciousness, etc. all this
depending on the impurities he has on the different levels of his
being. But these are only transitory things, which go away as
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they came, leaving a purified awareness.
Truly this is the energy of evolution, without which a man will
remain ordinary, his latent faculties dormant. Once you have
put your foot on this path, you will never want to go back.
Edited by SonOfTheGods, 27 April 2014 - 12:24 PM.
SonOfTheGods
Full Lotus all the Way!
lol
Posted 27 April 2014 - 12:25 PM
Captain Mar-Vell
...
Amen to all a dat SOTG.

Sheesh.

XXX
...
Edited by Captain Mar-Vell, 28 April 2014 - 08:24 PM.
Posted 27 April 2014 - 12:46 PM
SonOfTheGods
Captain Mar-Vell, on 27 Apr 2014 - 12:46, said:
...
Amen to all a dat SOTG.

Sheesh.

xxx.
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Amen-Ra!
theurgy
SonOfTheGods, on 27 Apr 2014 - 12:25, said:
Full Lotus all the Way!
lol

I have always been able to get into full lotus pretty easily but what
to do about
one's legs going completely numb after 30 mins?
I do not enjoy that feeling at all--doesn't seem good for the body,
cultivation not withstanding.

Any insight?
Posted 27 April 2014 - 01:22 PM
SonOfTheGods
theurgy, on 27 Apr 2014 - 13:22, said:
I have always been able to get into full lotus pretty easily but
what to do about
one's legs going completely numb after 30 mins?
I do not enjoy that feeling at all--doesn't seem good for the body,
cultivation not withstanding.

Any insight?
stretch before full lotus
keep Kua opened
pelvis tilted/top of head connected "like by a string to ceiling"
Posted 27 April 2014 - 02:24 PM
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7 of 13 4/30/2014 11:04 AM
eventually it should subside
SonOfTheGods
Posted 27 April 2014 - 02:26 PM
Uroboros
SonOfTheGods, on 27 Apr 2014 - 14:24, said:
stretch before full lotus
keep Kua opened
pelvis tilted/top of head connected "like by a string to ceiling"
eventually it should subside

Is the pelvis tilted back( tail bone pointed up + stretching ldt
region) or down ( sacrum + spine extended + tail bone pointing to
earth + ldt region squished) ?

How do you open the Kua?

Danke
Posted 27 April 2014 - 11:21 PM
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Uroboros, on 27 Apr 2014 - 23:21, said:
Is the pelvis tilted back( tail bone pointed up + stretching ldt
region) or down ( sacrum + spine extended + tail bone pointing
to earth + ldt region squished) ?

How do you open the Kua?

Danke
pelvis tilt= imagine just about to sit down on the edge of a chair

that position= tilt of the pelvis

kua/hip joints

standing practice is easier to open them
Posted 28 April 2014 - 11:06 AM
joeblast
the main jist of "pelvic tilt" is to bring the lumbosacral junction
parallel and into alignment with the gravitational field, i.e.
up/straight! "naturally" it tilts forward. so when "the tailbone is
tucked" its making this junction (yeah, that's where they removed
40% of my disc there at L5S1) a nice flat surface upon which to
stack the rest of the vertebrae.

I like stacking up my vertebrae and relaxing while they just sit
there of their own accord
Posted 28 April 2014 - 11:18 AM
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SonOfTheGods
joeblast, on 28 Apr 2014 - 11:18, said:
the main jist of "pelvic tilt" is to bring the lumbosacral junction
parallel and into alignment with the gravitational field, i.e.
up/straight! "naturally" it tilts forward. so when "the tailbone
is tucked" its making this junction (yeah, that's where they
removed 40% of my disc there at L5S1) a nice flat surface upon
which to stack the rest of the vertebrae.

I like stacking up my vertebrae and relaxing while they just sit
there of their own accord
L5/S1 fused then?
scar tissue builds up

painful stuff man

yet still, you endure

full lotus- all of it

my hat off to you dude
Edited by SonOfTheGods, 28 April 2014 - 11:21 AM.
Posted 28 April 2014 - 11:20 AM
BaguaKicksAss
Is it just me, or do others get sore ankles when trying to do the full
lotus?
Posted 28 April 2014 - 11:45 AM
BaguaKicksAss
PS fuck kundalini, I'm having enough trouble with LDTs and
Posted 28 April 2014 - 11:46 AM
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10 of 13 4/30/2014 11:04 AM
MCOs LOL.
joeblast
SonOfTheGods, on 28 Apr 2014 - 11:20, said:
L5/S1 fused then?
scar tissue builds up

painful stuff man

yet still, you endure

full lotus- all of it

my hat off to you dude
nah they only cut me open, took out chunks, and sewed me back
up. I still have ~60% of my L5S1 disc. its why I looooove xing
shen zhuang, it is the only thing that really solidly keeps my back
in gear and alive, that and all my normal stretches and catcows
and all that. havent done lotus in a month or two, damaged my
right mcl, so I will probably be off lotus until end of summer. I
can finally bend it all the way again this past week..

BaguaKicksAss, on 28 Apr 2014 - 11:45, said:
Is it just me, or do others get sore ankles when trying to do the
full lotus?
only if hips arent open enough, ankles high enough up on the
thigh. bulky adductors and quad makes for a nice little ramp and
tends to keep the ankles from bending too much, but really its the
fundamental of the hip opening enough.
Posted 28 April 2014 - 12:16 PM
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Captain Mar-Vell
...
fuk kamma

My ankles are alright, it's just my knees that stop me doing full
lotus.

XXX
...
Edited by Captain Mar-Vell, 28 April 2014 - 08:25 PM.
Posted 28 April 2014 - 12:16 PM
SonOfTheGods
BaguaKicksAss, on 28 Apr 2014 - 11:46, said:
PS fuck kundalini, I'm having enough trouble with LDTs and
MCOs LOL.

LMAO
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Started by SonOfTheGods, Apr 23 2014 10:28 AM
NeiDan NeiDan,, Jin Dan Jin Dan,, Magick Magick,,
SonOfTheGods

briefly- for another discussion

internal external arts

Bone breathing- pore breathing

your magickal tools are an extension of you

held in your hand- your aura permeates the subatomic structure
of organic materials

oak wand- holding while bone breathing- takes it to another level
of *You*

just don't get too caught up on using external tools

every tool you will ever need you are born with
Edited by SonOfTheGods, 23 April 2014 - 11:13 AM.
Posted 23 April 2014 - 10:28 AM
theurgy
Posted 23 April 2014 - 11:26 AM
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McGong! Looking forward to this discussion.
SonOfTheGods, on 23 Apr 2014 - 10:28, said:
just don't get too caught up on using external tools

every tool you will ever need you are born with

A great point to apprehend up front. Many get lost in their gizmos.
SonOfTheGods
theurgy, on 23 Apr 2014 - 11:26, said:
McGong! Looking forward to this discussion.
Posted 23 April 2014 - 11:34 AM
theurgy
Posted 23 April 2014 - 12:07 PM
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Uroboros
theurgy, on 23 Apr 2014 - 12:07, said:

HAHAHAHAHA

Drug lord looking ronaldo....good lawd.
Posted 23 April 2014 - 12:10 PM
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SonOfTheGods
Western Magick Elements

Air
Fire
__________
YANG


Water
Earth
__________
YIN


Quintessence
__________
Yin/Yang FUSION/coalesced
Edited by SonOfTheGods, 26 April 2014 - 11:49 AM.
Posted 26 April 2014 - 11:48 AM
SonOfTheGods
SonOfTheGods, on 26 Apr 2014 - 11:48, said:
Western Magick Elements

Air
Fire
__________
YANG


Posted 26 April 2014 - 11:51 AM
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Water
Earth
__________
YIN


Quintessence
__________
Yin/Yang FUSION/coalesced

Tum Mo = Air Fire element working

Jen Mo = Earth Water element working

TaiJi Pole = Quintessence = Akashic/Spirit working
Uroboros
SonOfTheGods, on 26 Apr 2014 - 11:51, said:
Tum Mo = Air Fire element working

Jen Mo = Earth Water element working

TaiJi Pole = Quintessence = Akashic/Spirit working

Ahh!

By bringing these Vessels to a certain level of harmony/ state we
also bring the elements within us into balance/ proper state....

How interesting!
Posted 26 April 2014 - 12:03 PM
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5 of 10 4/30/2014 11:04 AM

It truly does blow my mind how we are made.

Heck, my mind can barely comprehend.
SonOfTheGods
After 3 Tan Tiens are Active +/-

Hair-line
Point where sexual organs attach to body
L5/S1
Occipital Points
_____________

That was a circuit to keep functioning while in Alpha

Next:

The following is Literal, NOT Figurative:

When you can actually see, with eyes Open- a golden yellow large
disc (the size of a large dinner plate) in front of your sight:

Then, This circuit:

Niwan to Laogong to Bubbling Springs to Niwan to Laogong -

Low/High Magick:

Trace your Sigil
Posted 26 April 2014 - 12:13 PM
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or
Scry with overlap of the golden disc over scrying vessel, or scry
through this golden portal (eyes open or closed)
or
Evoke into golden orb (CAREFUL!)
or
Ascension of Aethyrs/Planes

You will know if your working is successful due to:

Upon completion of Rite
or
Signal that Rite is completed
or
Request/Working is "now in effect" :
By the following (1 or all may happen)

"Flux" cord/rod pattern (full- spectrum array)
or
spark of bright white/shimmering flash of LUX
or
you will see a Royale Blue Light


SonOfTheGods, on 26 Apr 2014 - 11:48, said:
Western Magick Elements

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7 of 10 4/30/2014 11:04 AM
Air
Fire
__________
YANG


Water
Earth
__________
YIN


Quintessence
__________
Yin/Yang FUSION/coalesced


SonOfTheGods, on 26 Apr 2014 - 11:51, said:
Tum Mo = Air Fire element working

Jen Mo = Earth Water element working

TaiJi Pole = Quintessence = Akashic/Spirit working
Captain Mar-Vell
...
Quote
ION COALESCED!

Posted 26 April 2014 - 03:24 PM
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SOTG IS A FOOKIN' GENIUS!!!

xxx.
...
SonOfTheGods
Captain Mar-Vell, on 26 Apr 2014 - 15:24, said:
...

SOTG IS A FOOKIN' GENIUS!!!

xxx.
...
awww schucks lol thanks man
Posted 26 April 2014 - 03:32 PM
tendou
I don't understand much of this. haha
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QuantumGong
Started by SonOfTheGods, Apr 19 2014 02:15 PM
QuantumGong QuantumGong,,
SonOfTheGods
As a cultivator, magickian & mad scientist, it is only
natural to evolve, this way.

After a stint in Radionics and Psychotronics;

Then cometh Magick of all thee types and QiGong NeiGong and
Neidan ( oh, and Acupuncture and Thine Martial Artistries,
including Marriage ) = wrap it up after 4 decades of research
and practice:

And thou art, generally confused


Although, I reached new ground

That's ummm, Above Ground/Higher Ground

-maybe more later
Edited by SonOfTheGods, 19 April 2014 - 02:16 PM.
Posted 19 April 2014 - 02:15 PM
SonOfTheGods
Posted 19 April 2014 - 02:19 PM
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SonOfTheGods, on 19 Apr 2014 - 14:15, said:
As a cultivator, magickian & mad scientist, it is only
natural to evolve, this way.

After a stint in Radionics and Psychotronics;

Then cometh Magick of all thee types and QiGong NeiGong
and Neidan ( oh, and Acupuncture and Thine Martial
Artistries, including Marriage ) = wrap it up after 4
decades of research and practice:

And thou art, generally confused


Although, I reached new ground

That's ummm, Above Ground/Higher Ground

-maybe more later

Are you sure the 3 Tan Tiens are IN the body?

Positive that there aren't 4 Tan Tiens? or 5?

DUAL , BIG ones?

Do you have a Paypal account and do YOU want to Bet?

/justkidding..

,,@Betting

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Everything else- I am serious
Edited by SonOfTheGods, 19 April 2014 - 02:28 PM.
SonOfTheGods
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(http://thetaobums.com/user/109829-
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2421 2422 posts- I'm getting close to my dead_line

if you have questions, you best ask 'em soon
Edited by SonOfTheGods, 19 April 2014 - 03:06 PM.
Posted 19 April 2014 - 02:21 PM
Uroboros
Are the "3" TanTiens in the body? .....What is the body?
Posted 19 April 2014 - 02:27 PM
SonOfTheGods
Uroboros, on 19 Apr 2014 - 14:27, said:
Posted 19 April 2014 - 02:30 PM
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Are the "3" TanTiens in the body? .....What is the body?
where limited belief and imposed reality = inter-twine
Uroboros
SonOfTheGods, on 19 Apr 2014 - 14:30, said:
where limited belief and imposed reality = inter-twine

a combination of belief/filter + program/operating system?
Posted 19 April 2014 - 02:33 PM
SonOfTheGods
SonOfTheGods, on 19 Apr 2014 - 14:19, said:

Are you sure the 3 Tan Tiens are IN the body?

Positive that there aren't 4 Tan Tiens? or 5?

DUAL , BIG ones?

Believe it, or not - this is a game changer
Edited by SonOfTheGods, 19 April 2014 - 02:47 PM.
Posted 19 April 2014 - 02:46 PM
Uroboros
SonOfTheGods, on 19 Apr 2014 - 14:46, said:
Believe it, or not - this is a game changer

Posted 19 April 2014 - 02:48 PM
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4 of 9 4/30/2014 11:22 AM
Are these TanTiens a combination of the Chakras?
SonOfTheGods
Uroboros, on 19 Apr 2014 - 14:49, said:
What is this deadline you speak of?

everything has a natural and logical, conclusion

you are the only poster actually interacting and exgaging
w/dialogue with me- on a daily basis.

but there are hundreds of views on some threads- many
many many times more views than actual unique posters
LOL

so you and I could do this in Email

Why should I even bother?

eventually (soon) I will get bored and shut it down

we can take it to Email

I already have an Email List- Lords Of Ziran


originally, another person wanted to start a NeiGong forum- and I
mentioned to put one in his PPF (the conversation quotes are
archived somewhere around here lol)

he went on to other places so I decided to do my own idea
Posted 19 April 2014 - 03:04 PM
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5 of 9 4/30/2014 11:22 AM

although I also noted, to him, should the whole idea fail, he could
easily delete it all

the reason I knew it would fail is because, generally, people would
much rather take -without contributing back

which is cool

but I also have my limits on how much I can be taken advantage
of

especially doing it all for FREE



This is also the reason why, I will never ACTUALLY take this
forum past Beginner/Intermediate level, due to the fact I
wouldn't start giving just a couple of people Advanced Lessons
then just shut this place down- and leave them hanging doing
advanced exercises.

A few months later, some one comes strolling in here, and
reads and practices the exercises, unattended -because I was
already long gone lol

they could get injured.
Edited by SonOfTheGods, 19 April 2014 - 08:26 PM.
SonOfTheGods
Uroboros, on 19 Apr 2014 - 14:48, said:
Posted 19 April 2014 - 03:05 PM
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6 of 9 4/30/2014 11:22 AM
Are these TanTiens a combination of the Chakras?
Chakras are everywhere

so that's a trick question!

heh

________

My Email is on my Profile- I won't leave you stranded, not to
worry
Edited by SonOfTheGods, 19 April 2014 - 03:05 PM.
SonOfTheGods
SonOfTheGods, on 19 Apr 2014 - 15:04, said:
everything has a natural and logical, conclusion

you are the only poster actually interacting and exgaging
w/dialogue with me- on a daily basis.

but there are hundreds of views on some threads-
many many many times more views than actual
unique posters LOL

so you and I could do this in Email

Why should I even bother?

eventually (soon) I will get bored and shut it down

Posted 19 April 2014 - 08:44 PM
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7 of 9 4/30/2014 11:22 AM
we can take it to Email

I already have an Email List- Lords Of Ziran


originally, another person wanted to start a NeiGong forum-
and I mentioned to put one in his PPF (the conversation quotes
are archived somewhere around here lol)

he went on to other places so I decided to do my own idea

although I also noted, to him, should the whole idea fail, he
could easily delete it all

the reason I knew it would fail is because, generally, people
would much rather take -without contributing back

which is cool

but I also have my limits on how much I can be taken
advantage of

especially doing it all for FREE



This is also the reason why, I will never ACTUALLY take
this forum past Beginner/Intermediate level, due to the
fact I wouldn't start giving just a couple of people
Advanced Lessons then just shut this place down- and leave
them hanging doing advanced exercises.

A few months later, some one comes strolling in here, and
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reads and practices the exercises, unattended -because I
was already long gone lol

they could get injured.
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"Hyper-Kinetic"- Kinesis (Fire)
Started by SonOfTheGods, Today, 10:46 AM
Pyrokinesis Pyrokinesis,,
SonOfTheGods
So I've discovered a secret.
What I am going to say, now- is something I have never heard
before, and I read every book and seen every DVD.
I have communicated with many "Sifus" out there, as well-
and most have no clue about Pyrokinesis.
Either they don't believe any of this is legitimate,or they don't
believe it is useful.
Take your pick
I am going to be brief, and vague.
That will be deliberate.
Now all what I am about to say, works for Me.
In My own Experience.
Posted Today, 10:46 AM
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This might not work for You.
Orgasm, seems to thin out my energy reserves, but does not
dilute it.
At times, my energy seems so heavy and thick, it is almost
uncontrollable.
Uncontrollable = Energy moves me, and I struggle- to move,
"it"
When that happens, I will orgasm.
However, during seminal retention stage, my energy is much
cooler, and sometimes- cold.
My MCO runs reverse, and I am much more Magnetic.


Orgasm:
one hour prior to culivating- and up to approx. 10 days
afterward: produces Heat.

So:
"Hyper-Kinetic Kinesis (Fire)"
Kinetic energy is converted to heat whenever motion with
friction occurs.
The build up after the release is causing that inner friction
which equate In My Experience, to Heat.
Within a two week margin, heavy Yang, transmutes into
Yoking with Yin, which is Magnetic and cool- to - cold. (I
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have learned to despise that word "Fusion")
I use a grounding wire, and sometimes, weather permitting-
outdoor cultivation.
Orgasm:
Flow goes from navel- to LDT, to penis base, runs through
testicles, perineum- coccyx- sacral- Mingmen.
Mingmen cuts across to LDT, and performs that cycle until
friction/Heat.
I spoke about "Dissolving Cords" on other threads on My
Forum.
Then, up to Jade Pillow.
Heavy swirl @ Niwan, and BaiHui "enlarges" and creates
suction.
Engulfs true third eye at the hair line.
Whole forehead throbs like liquid.
Ricochets to LaoGong and Daling.
I do not sense a downward flow of Jen Mo but instead ignites
the TaiJi Pole.
Palate vibrates- tastes sweet, tongue burns like electric.
Throat breathing- vibration- is audible.
Two weeks post Orgasm:
LDT spins in Reverse- Involuntarily- flow up Jen Mo/down
Tum Mo
Also Reverse Breathing Involunatrily.
Perineum tightens and release on it's own accord- swells out
and up- and Mingmen pulses, and kidney area feels like a
huge inhale and swelling- like a helium balloon.
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As if it seeks to levitate.
My modes incorporate "dual rote patterns"- depending on
Orgasm and the allotted time period.
I should state, this is Advanced.

"Those" who say fire takes a lot of energy out of them- it
does.

Orgasm consumes Jing, and as it tries to replenish- it is being
compromised to produce Fire.


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"Word" Scrying/Visions Demons (McGong Series II)
Started by SonOfTheGods, Today, 01:10 PM
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SonOfTheGods
I went deep last night.

Alpha- maybe Theta

I climb (speed of light- maybe faster- mach speeds/inter-
dimenional, etc)
up and down the TaiJi Pole- this was an "innate technique" I
utilize- like climbing the Tree Of Life- (Serpent and Lightning
Path).

I spoke about "Alcyone" on another thread.

Last night , similar occurance- this time headed out passed
Central Sun/Alcyone- onto the "The Greater Sun"

As I made my ascension/rising on the planes (magick
terminology)- I heard, loud "Odessa"

That, was my "word" (another magickal term)

If you have been Meditating, NeiGong, Cultivating- for
Posted Today, 01:10 PM
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"awhile" your third eye is most likely "semi-opened" (which
means, it is opened- it gets better with practice)

Third eye doesn't just pop open.
It is part of the Jing Qi Shen circulation transmutation etc.
You don't just pop open your third eye without training the
whole bio-energy grid

Scrying- can be done, with eyes closed- so whatever visions
you are perceiving- can be called "scrying with the eyes
closed"

People make out "opening the third eye" as some tremendous
feat, and thereby attaching all sort of new-agey loopy
connotations to it.

I started this forum for only ONE reason.

I am totally against the mainstream manipulation of
Occultism.
It should have stayed "Occult/Hidden"
But now that it has gone mainstream- many people are
getting scared, getting $uckered, and taking it to "ridiculous
places"..
So, I decided to steer it to a better place.
A truthful place.


The only reason I made another thread- is due to the amount
of Email I get, in regard to demons.
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Stop

You aren't getting demons.
Unless you deliberately want them.

Demons aren't stalking you, because now "your foot tingles
with energy"

I guess, in these emails- people have been listening to online
radio shows on YouTube
(I don't know/I don't care)

Demons- are not - EVERYWHERE.

Keep your aura tight, your mind semi-clean- and you will be
fine.

By the time you can produce enough good quality clean
energy in a substantial amount to be fed upon- you will ALSO
be strong enough to defeat it. (Overcome your demons/psych
101, etc)

Enough with the superstitious rhetoric, from worn out left
over religious fears.

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Started by SonOfTheGods, Apr 17 2014 10:42 AM
Thunder Thunder,, POWER POWER,, gods gods,, Rite Rite,, Hexagram Hexagram,, Internal Alchemy Internal Alchemy,,
Quantum Entanglement Quantum Entanglement,, Morphic Resonance Morphic Resonance,, Transmutation Transmutation,,
Sublimination Sublimination,,
SonOfTheGods
Internal Alchemy

The Quantum exchange = human - Immortals

From man - Master

Quantum Entanglement

Summoning the Thunders

Morphic Resonance

Transmutation

Sublimination

WhatIsYourDestiny



(coming soon)
Posted 17 April 2014 - 10:42 AM
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Edited by SonOfTheGods, 18 April 2014 - 06:24 PM.
SonOfTheGods
I did a 5.5 hour deep alpha/theta level trance on the Blood Moon

There was some good magnetic disturbance from solar flares and
a lunar eclipse

I like to piggy back off the multiversal flows

Can really feel this days afterward
Edited by SonOfTheGods, 17 April 2014 - 09:10 PM.
Posted 17 April 2014 - 09:10 PM
Uroboros
SonOfTheGods, on 17 Apr 2014 - 10:42, said:
Internal Alchemy

The Quantum exchange = human - Immortals

From man - Master

Quantum Entanglement

Summoning the Thunders

Morphic Resonance

Transmutation

Posted 18 April 2014 - 12:06 AM
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Sublimination

WhatIsYourDestiny



(coming soon)

This all sounds like fascinating topics. Please do delve into them,
SOTG.

Its all...something we need to understand. Whether or not we like
what we find!
SonOfTheGods
Uroboros, on 18 Apr 2014 - 00:06, said:
This all sounds like fascinating topics. Please do delve into
them, SOTG.

Its all...something we need to understand. Whether or not we
like what we find!
Some what dangerous - and I am sure the vampires who absorb
but do not contribute will go off secretly to critique and criticize so
we will see
Posted 18 April 2014 - 06:25 PM
Uroboros
SonOfTheGods, on 18 Apr 2014 - 18:25, said:
Some what dangerous - and I am sure the vampires who absorb
Posted 18 April 2014 - 06:34 PM
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but do not contribute will go off secretly to critique and criticize
so we will see

All of this is somewhat dangerous. Thats the risk we pay to play,
so to speak.

Im in, though. It is sad that some are not contributing..the
potential here is large.
SonOfTheGods
Uroboros, on 18 Apr 2014 - 18:34, said:
All of this is somewhat dangerous. Thats the risk we pay to play,
so to speak.

Im in, though. It is sad that some are not contributing..the
potential here is large.

1) Some teachers are telling their students to avoid this forum- I
would never mention names

Free competition here versus paying for theirs

2) Some/many people, just naturally take and never give back

and

3) some people might think I am retarded

I am OK with all 3
Posted 18 April 2014 - 06:44 PM
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Uroboros
SonOfTheGods, on 18 Apr 2014 - 18:44, said:
1) Some teachers are telling their students to avoid this forum- I
would never mention names

Free competition here versus paying for theirs

2) Some/many people, just naturally take and never give back

and

3) some people might think I am retarded

I am OK with all 3

I can understand teachers not wanting their students to mix
systems/ methods...it can change how you develop..

Staying away just to make more money, though...That is not
something I agree with.

True, some do take and do not give...

I dont think you are retarded. Although...I am a strange one
myself. Hah!

The real test as to whether you are or are not retarded is the fruits
from the methods you prescribe + the knowledge you have.
Posted 18 April 2014 - 08:39 PM
Captain Mar-Vell
Posted 18 April 2014 - 10:11 PM
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28 Apr 2014
...
You are certainly far from retarded.

Next to you I am retarded.

But I still a bit worried.
...
Edited by Captain Mar-Vell, 18 April 2014 - 10:12 PM.
SonOfTheGods
Captain Mar-Vell, on 18 Apr 2014 - 22:11, said:
...
You are certainly far from retarded.

Next to you I am retarded.

But I still a bit worried.
...
don't worry be happy
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SonOfTheGods
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In the mean time:

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Posted 19 April 2014 - 10:23 AM
Uroboros
In Wild Goose, we shake our hands to not only shake of the sick qi
and stagnation, to stimulate and heal the nervous systems and the
brain.

It has done allot for me in healing the nerve damage I
have.....Medical Drugs, man...They will hurt you bad.
Posted 19 April 2014 - 01:48 PM
SonOfTheGods
Under the correct process- the right hand will do this on it's own
Posted 19 April 2014 - 03:27 PM
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volition
OldChi
Had a lot shaking on my hands during my neigong session today.
Must of been some stagnant chi still in there.
My 2 cents, Peace
Edited by OldChi, 19 April 2014 - 04:03 PM.
Posted 19 April 2014 - 04:03 PM
SonOfTheGods
OldChi, on 19 Apr 2014 - 16:03, said:
Had a lot shaking on my hands during my neigong session
today. Must of been some stagnant chi still in there.
My 2 cents, Peace
could be something else manifesting
Posted 19 April 2014 - 04:46 PM
joeblast
to begin with, cultivate pressing with intent (not muscle) and go
directly there,

or, cultivate muscle and work towards intent.

either way, you'll need that dt potential
Posted 21 April 2014 - 10:44 AM
soaring crane
SonOfTheGods, on 19 Apr 2014 - 10:23, said:
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Vibrating Palm
coming soon

how exactly are we supposed to understand that???
soaring crane
Uroboros, on 19 Apr 2014 - 13:48, said:
In Wild Goose, we shake our hands to not only shake of the sick
qi and stagnation, to stimulate and heal the nervous systems
and the brain.

It has done allot for me in healing the nerve damage I
have.....Medical Drugs, man...They will hurt you bad.

I attended a pretty intensive Wild Goose workshop a few years
ago, found it fantastic and wanted to pursue it, but no
opportunities in my location :/
Posted 21 April 2014 - 12:12 PM
Uroboros
soaring crane, on 21 Apr 2014 - 12:12, said:
I attended a pretty intensive Wild Goose workshop a few years
ago, found it fantastic and wanted to pursue it, but no
opportunities in my location :/

Wild Goose saved my life. Literally. It healed things that nothing
else could and gave me the opportunity to figure out how to heal
the root.

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Its an amazing system. Truly.
joeblast
good vibrato on guitar comes from the elbow (now 2+2 that with
the things I've said about laogung breathing.. )
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Becoming a od
Started by SonOfTheGods, Apr 12 2014 06:44 PM
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SonOfTheGods
What is the Recipe, to become a od?


Posted 12 April 2014 - 06:44 PM
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Edited by SonOfTheGods, 12 April 2014 - 06:57 PM.
SonOfTheGods
I got a PM from someone yesterday, asking me:


Quote
How to progress so that Qi Jing Shen burns and vibrates so
hard and so bad- it scares and rocks you

That is the beginning of godhood
Posted 12 April 2014 - 06:49 PM
SonOfTheGods
How many people do you meet in your daily mundane life- that
actually discuss this?

Most rather pray to an external diety

than become their own

HOW ABOUT, YOU?
Posted 12 April 2014 - 06:56 PM
SonOfTheGods
Troubleshooting:

What is the next stage for your development?

Want to know?

Posted 12 April 2014 - 07:02 PM
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Tell us:

How long you have been doing "this"
What is "This"?
Daily schedule?
Little piece of your personal history?
Age?
Sex?
Where is your life going?
How are your Results?
What are you feeling on All levels?
Do you want to be an Immortal?
Why?

From that info we can discuss how to further your own
unique cultivation, individualised, for You
Captain Mar-Vell
...
Alright man.

Gimme a bit more time.
...
Posted 12 April 2014 - 10:01 PM
MooNiNite
SonOfTheGods, on 12 Apr 2014 - 18:49, said:
I got a PM from someone yesterday, asking me:



Posted 12 April 2014 - 11:08 PM
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That is the beginning of godhood

are you talking about rocking, like your body rocking back and
forth when u meditate?
SonOfTheGods
MooNiNite, on 12 Apr 2014 - 23:08, said:
are you talking about rocking, like your body rocking back and
forth when u meditate?
I'm not sure what he meant

maybe he will answer
Posted 12 April 2014 - 11:32 PM
Uroboros
SonOfTheGods, on 12 Apr 2014 - 19:02, said:
Troubleshooting:

What is the next stage for your development?

Want to know?

Tell us:

How long you have been doing "this"
What is "This"?
Daily schedule?
Little piece of your personal history?
Age?
Posted 12 April 2014 - 11:54 PM
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Sex?
Where is your life going?
How are your Results?
What are you feeling on All levels?
Do you want to be an Immortal?
Why?

From that info we can discuss how to further your
own unique cultivation, individualised, for You

I have been training QiGong for nearly 3 years, mainly Wild Goose
1st Form. Occasionally Yin Gong Jin, when my body feels happy
about it...Recently, in the last 4 months started training
XingYiQuan, training the various breaths with the 5 Element
Forms. 2 years ago, started incorporating conscious breathing into
my daily life.

Over the 3 years, I have nearly every day (give or take a day or two
depending on my health state) practiced atleast 20 minutes, on a
good day into 1 hour.

Born with fragile constitution, whole system dysfunction, making
slow consistent progress with QiGong and good supplementation.
Feel like I have not found the root of it, though. I love these arts
with a passion! Eventually want to be training for 6 hours a day.

23 years of age

Male

Moving into training these arts full time and traveling the world
for awhile.

Becoming a od - SonOfTheGods - The Tao Bums http://thetaobums.com/topic/34460-becoming-a-od/
5 of 11 4/30/2014 11:32 AM
My results are health based. my body is much stronger and
resilient then it was 3 years ago. My mind is sharper and faster,
memory is stickier. I now have bad days, instead of bad months or
weeks. I can feel subtle sensations during practicing and in general
life, more of my body is shown to me.

What am I feeling on all levels? Hmm....Inadequate. What I am
doing is helping...it does not feel like its enough. I feel like I need
to go deeper...best word to describe it. Deeper.

Hmm....Immortality is something I have always felt was attainable
and I desire it. There is so much to life that such a short time feels
so wasteful...There is also a deep, driving yearning for it I have
had since childhood.

I want to experience so much of life, to watch as worlds end and
begin. Eventually, to potentially be able to do something useful
and good in the world with the great experience. To understand
the universes workings in deep detain and how to apply. To be
ancient. To watch and experience is the core.
Uroboros
SonOfTheGods, on 12 Apr 2014 - 18:56, said:
How many people do you meet in your daily mundane life- that
actually discuss this?

Most rather pray to an external diety

than become their own

HOW ABOUT, YOU?
Posted 12 April 2014 - 11:55 PM
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6 of 11 4/30/2014 11:32 AM

I have chosen the Path of becoming my own god. Of manifesting
and integrating my Divinity as fully as possible.

How to do that....Working on it! heh
Uroboros
SonOfTheGods, on 12 Apr 2014 - 18:44, said:
What is the Recipe, to become a od?


The Trachea/Thyroid is the TaiJi...
Posted 12 April 2014 - 11:58 PM
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7 of 11 4/30/2014 11:32 AM

Vagus Nerve/Carotid/Jugular is Yin/Yang..

Spine is beggining of TaiJi

How interesting...Not sure what that means yet...Fascinating,
though.
idiot_stimpy
I think the idea of thinking you're God can be quite dangerous.
The fall can be great.
Posted 13 April 2014 - 01:29 AM
MooNiNite
SonOfTheGods, on 12 Apr 2014 - 23:32, said:
I'm not sure what he meant

maybe he will answer

well there is a point when the energy kinda biulds up in the head
and the persons head rocks back and forth,
Posted 13 April 2014 - 01:32 AM
MooNiNite
after the rocking comes complete stillness

i havent gone much further..


...but i doubt that's what he is talking about, that is just a personal
experience.
Posted 13 April 2014 - 01:33 AM
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Edited by MooNiNite, 13 April 2014 - 01:33 AM.
Uroboros
idiot_stimpy, on 13 Apr 2014 - 01:29, said:
I think the idea of thinking you're God can be quite dangerous.
The fall can be great.

MooNiNite, on 13 Apr 2014 - 01:32, said:
well there is a point when the energy kinda biulds up in the
head and the persons head rocks back and forth,

Its funny how people think its natural to think you are not god,
unnatural to think you are.....

Who decided that?
Posted 13 April 2014 - 01:33 AM
idiot_stimpy
In my situation, I think it is better to leave that question
unanswered. The question being, am I God or am I not God.
Posted 13 April 2014 - 01:39 AM
Captain Mar-Vell
...
My advice is Ahimsa (absolute non-violence) and Service, Metta
and Kompassion.

Golden Rule: Do who ye would be done by.

Posted 13 April 2014 - 01:55 AM
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/me sips patiently at his cha.

/me cackles mischievously.
...
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SonOfTheGods
Uroboros, on 12 Apr 2014 - 23:54, said:
I have been training QiGong for nearly 3 years, mainly Wild
Goose 1st Form. Occasionally Yin Gong Jin, when my body feels
happy about it...Recently, in the last 4 months started training
XingYiQuan, training the various breaths with the 5 Element
Forms. 2 years ago, started incorporating conscious breathing
into my daily life.

Over the 3 years, I have nearly every day (give or take a day or
two depending on my health state) practiced atleast 20 minutes,
on a good day into 1 hour.

Born with fragile constitution, whole system dysfunction,
making slow consistent progress with QiGong and good
supplementation. Feel like I have not found the root of it,
though. I love these arts with a passion! Eventually want to be
training for 6 hours a day.

23 years of age

Male

Posted 13 April 2014 - 09:52 AM
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1 of 22 4/30/2014 11:33 AM
Moving into training these arts full time and traveling the world
for awhile.

My results are health based. my body is much stronger and
resilient then it was 3 years ago. My mind is sharper and faster,
memory is stickier. I now have bad days, instead of bad months
or weeks. I can feel subtle sensations during practicing and in
general life, more of my body is shown to me.

What am I feeling on all levels? Hmm....Inadequate. What I am
doing is helping...it does not feel like its enough. I feel like I
need to go deeper...best word to describe it. Deeper.

Hmm....Immortality is something I have always felt was
attainable and I desire it. There is so much to life that such a
short time feels so wasteful...There is also a deep, driving
yearning for it I have had since childhood.

I want to experience so much of life, to watch as worlds end and
begin. Eventually, to potentially be able to do something useful
and good in the world with the great experience. To understand
the universes workings in deep detain and how to apply. To be
ancient. To watch and experience is the core.
Ok I can help you

I will post a little later on though

Had a rough night cultivating- something going on with my right
shoulder and hand and clavicle (suddenly lol)
SonOfTheGods
Posted 13 April 2014 - 10:07 AM
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idiot_stimpy, on 13 Apr 2014 - 01:29, said:
I think the idea of thinking you're God can be quite dangerous.
The fall can be great.

only in religious thinking

jesus said ye are gods
John 10:34

"god" has been trademarked copyrighted and registered lol as if
religion took that word and made it theirs

people need to define what they mean as "god"

that spark within you- that ignites the tan tiens- is "godhood"

shen is the road to godhood

the immortals- especially the spiritual immortals- are the
pavement of the golden brick road to infinity

having the victim syndrome, feeling guilty and worthless
is what religion wants you to feel

captive and useless

needing a saviour or redeemer to save pitiful us

we are all just worthless slaves

NOT FOR ME!

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we are all teachers, while humbly being students = we are gods-in-
the-making

where on the circle is the beginning and the end?

one path
one walk

someone must be in front

we all can't walk through the gates shoulder to shoulder because
narrow is the gate
Edited by SonOfTheGods, 13 April 2014 - 02:18 PM.
Captain Mar-Vell
...
Quote
someone must be in front.

Ladies first.

Ha ha ha.

I want to be left alone, anonymous and humble please everyone k
thanks bye.

PM me here on the taobums, or speak on an open thread or my
ppf if you wish to speak with me.

I'm not listening to the radio any more.*

Posted 13 April 2014 - 10:17 AM
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No sirree.

It made me damn paranoid.

That and the taobums chat room.

I have thrown away all my radios, and shall move very soon.

I shall never listen to the radio again.

Only to my beloved Guru, Olias!

Ha ha ha.

Enter the Mind Drive.

Yes are the greatest rock band evah!

I don't know nuthin' bout no et either, and that's a fact.

I'm just a humble writer, yogi and mendicant.

But I may continue to serve cha in the taobums chat room.

We shall see.

God bless us all and protect us.

Please, and the Queen of England too.

If God exists.

Or if he doesn't.
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* Sorry Darren, Al, Alice and all the boyz n gurlz at you know
where radio. You are all swell and may ye thrice blessed be.

ps I really like dese forums. I stay here a while I tink.
...
Edited by Captain Mar-Vell, 13 April 2014 - 10:24 AM.
SonOfTheGods
it's ok bro
keep the white cocoon around you

hard shell protection

you're safe

breathe- if you can- do reverse MCO

cooling comforting- takes away anxiety, etc

Captain Mar-Vell, on 13 Apr 2014 - 10:17, said:
...

Ladies first.

Ha ha ha.

I want to be left alone, anonymous and humble please everyone
k thanks bye.

Posted 13 April 2014 - 10:34 AM
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PM me here on the taobums, or speak on an open thread or my
ppf if you wish to speak with me.

I'm not listening to the radio any more.*

No sirree.

It made me damn paranoid.

That and the taobums chat room.

I have thrown away all my radios, and shall move very soon.

I shall never listen to the radio again.

Only to my beloved Guru, Olias!

Ha ha ha.

Enter the Mind Drive.

Yes are the greatest rock band evah!

I don't know nuthin' bout no et either, and that's a fact.

I'm just a humble writer, yogi and mendicant.

But I may continue to serve cha in the taobums chat room.

We shall see.

God bless us all and protect us.

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Please, and the Queen of England too.

If God exists.

Or if he doesn't.


* Sorry Darren, Al, Alice and all the boyz n gurlz at you know
where radio. You are all swell and may ye thrice blessed be.

ps I really like dese forums. I stay here a while I tink.
...
Captain Mar-Vell
...
Edited by Captain Mar-Vell, 13 April 2014 - 03:14 PM.
Posted 13 April 2014 - 10:48 AM
SonOfTheGods
Uroboros, on 12 Apr 2014 - 23:54, said:
I have been training QiGong for nearly 3 years, mainly Wild
Goose 1st Form. Occasionally Yin Gong Jin, when my body feels
happy about it...Recently, in the last 4 months started training
XingYiQuan, training the various breaths with the 5 Element
Forms. 2 years ago, started incorporating conscious breathing
into my daily life.

Over the 3 years, I have nearly every day (give or take a day or
two depending on my health state) practiced atleast 20 minutes,
on a good day into 1 hour.
Posted 13 April 2014 - 10:55 AM
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Born with fragile constitution, whole system dysfunction,
making slow consistent progress with QiGong and good
supplementation. Feel like I have not found the root of it,
though. I love these arts with a passion! Eventually want to be
training for 6 hours a day.

23 years of age

Male

Moving into training these arts full time and traveling the world
for awhile.

My results are health based. my body is much stronger and
resilient then it was 3 years ago. My mind is sharper and faster,
memory is stickier. I now have bad days, instead of bad months
or weeks. I can feel subtle sensations during practicing and in
general life, more of my body is shown to me.

What am I feeling on all levels? Hmm....Inadequate. What I am
doing is helping...it does not feel like its enough. I feel like I
need to go deeper...best word to describe it. Deeper.

Hmm....Immortality is something I have always felt was
attainable and I desire it. There is so much to life that such a
short time feels so wasteful...There is also a deep, driving
yearning for it I have had since childhood.

I want to experience so much of life, to watch as worlds end and
begin. Eventually, to potentially be able to do something useful
and good in the world with the great experience. To understand
the universes workings in deep detain and how to apply. To be
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ancient. To watch and experience is the core.

Ok, so you practice anywhere from 20 minutes to 1 hour daily- x 3
years

your results are good

but we can make them improve

THIS IS ONLY ADVICE- USE IT OR LOOSE IT- THAT'S UP TO
YOU, BUDDY

IMO/IME: I would do this, instead:


first- strive for that Full Lotus- yeah it sucks lol- but 1 hour of Full
Lotus is more potent than 4 hours of cross legged sitting- so says
many masters (& I agree, so add me to that list too, LOL)


now- there's more layers of subcutaneous fat on the lower
abdominals as opposed to the upper section

fat is energy

focus on your lower tan tien

breathe into it

into nostrils - down into it

allow diaphragm to expand and then exhale

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do this a few times

Coming next: this is all my personal instruction- most
likely never written down by anyone else:

I want you to "see" a small solar orb/White Hot Lux
descending down in front of your body-
and allow it to drop down right in front of your lower tan tien

this appears to be "something similar to" Sol, our Sun

inhale and absorb the heat and power and bright blinding light
directly into your lower tan tien

inhale it straight inside through lower abdominal wall-
exhale while squeezing the floor as the exhaled energy radiates
into your glowing orb inside your body= lower tan tien

Do this 25 times- faster each repetiton

while doing this- spin forward your lower tan tien

even if you can not feel it- it happens

Try this and let us know you results
Edited by SonOfTheGods, 13 April 2014 - 10:57 AM.
GrandmasterP
All respect to anyone who enjoys and can easily sit full lotus.
No disrespect intended in saying that it matters not a jot how
anyone chooses to sit for meditation.
The main thing is to 'sit' .
Posted 13 April 2014 - 11:08 AM
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Edited by GrandmasterP, 13 April 2014 - 11:08 AM.
SonOfTheGods
GrandmasterP, on 13 Apr 2014 - 11:08, said:
All respect to anyone who enjoys and can easily sit full lotus.
No disrespect intended in saying that it matters not a jot how
anyone chooses to sit for meditation.
The main thing is to 'sit' .

Chunyi Lin talks about the Full Lotus, as the way energy points are
open to the Earth and Heaven with palms and feet up-
5 points up: Bai Hui, Laogong, and Yong Quan and the bottom of
the torso is aligned with Earth, fusing Earth and Heaven energy in
the strongest possible way.

Perineum is touching the ground, and pelvis tilted slightly while
head is suspended by a thread to the sky

The Central channel is worked perfectly this way

If meditation is not just a hobby, but a dedicated life path- Full
Lotus all the way!

This isn't just my opinion- read the ancient classics

Hindu/Padmasana and Daoist- they all go wth Full Lotus all the
way lol
Edited by SonOfTheGods, 13 April 2014 - 11:37 AM.
Posted 13 April 2014 - 11:32 AM
SonOfTheGods
Posted 13 April 2014 - 11:37 AM
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Quote
But, if someone just can't do it

then don't hurt yourself lol

but at least try everyday

a little here
a little there

Although- This Forum is for NeiGong - bordering on
NeiDan

Creating godlikepower on the road to Immortality

This isn't stillness movement - there's nothing wrong with
stillness movement- it just isn't something we're doing down
here

This isn't chi kung either

If YOU want your body(s) to ACHE from the BURN of QI JIN
SHEN - If YOU want YOUR TAN TIENS to GLOW and VIBRATE
so HARD - YOU can not take it one more second..

THEN THIS IS THE FORUM FOR YOU

But if you think you can accomplish this while sitting in your
recliner- IT WON'T BE HAPPENING ANYTIME SOON FOR YOU
Edited by SonOfTheGods, 13 April 2014 - 12:27 PM.
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Uroboros
SonOfTheGods, on 13 Apr 2014 - 10:55, said:
Ok, so you practice anywhere from 20 minutes to 1 hour daily- x
3 years

your results are good

but we can make them improve

THIS IS ONLY ADVICE- USE IT OR LOOSE IT- THAT'S UP TO
YOU, BUDDY

IMO/IME: I would do this, instead:


first- strive for that Full Lotus- yeah it sucks lol- but 1 hour of
Full Lotus is more potent than 4 hours of cross legged sitting- so
says many masters (& I agree, so add me to that list too, LOL)


now- there's more layers of subcutaneous fat on the lower
abdominals as opposed to the upper section

fat is energy

focus on your lower tan tien

breathe into it

into nostrils - down into it

allow diaphragm to expand and then exhale
Posted 13 April 2014 - 02:12 PM
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do this a few times

Coming next: this is all my personal instruction- most
likely never written down by anyone else:

I want you to "see" a small solar orb/White Hot Lux
descending down in front of your body-
and allow it to drop down right in front of your lower tan tien

this appears to be "something similar to" Sol, our Sun

inhale and absorb the heat and power and bright blinding
light
directly into your lower tan tien

inhale it straight inside through lower abdominal wall-
exhale while squeezing the floor as the exhaled energy radiates
into your glowing orb inside your body= lower tan tien

Do this 25 times- faster each repetiton

while doing this- spin forward your lower tan tien

even if you can not feel it- it happens

Try this and let us know you results

Thanks, SOTG! I appreciate you helping me along the Path.

I did 25 reps.

My abdoment felt hot. Some of the heat,afterwards, moved into
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my kidneys and made em a little hotter.

Its a taxing technique, though. 25 reps is tough. Doing another 25
right after ends up being not as powerful, harder to concentrate.
SonOfTheGods
Uroboros, on 13 Apr 2014 - 14:12, said:
Thanks, SOTG! I appreciate you helping me along the Path.

I did 25 reps.

My abdoment felt hot. Some of the heat,afterwards, moved into
my kidneys and made em a little hotter.

Its a taxing technique, though. 25 reps is tough. Doing another
25 right after ends up being not as powerful, harder to
concentrate.
awesome dude

no need to over do it

take your time

quality over quantity
Posted 13 April 2014 - 02:20 PM
Uroboros
SonOfTheGods, on 13 Apr 2014 - 14:20, said:
awesome dude

Posted 13 April 2014 - 02:23 PM
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no need to over do it

take your time

quality over quantity

Is there anything specific I should be looking out for?

What is the goal of this practice?

Markers for training, man! hah
SonOfTheGods
Uroboros, on 13 Apr 2014 - 14:23, said:
Is there anything specific I should be looking out for?

What is the goal of this practice?

Markers for training, man! hah
I rather you tell me

this way- it isn't put in your head subliminally

no placebo
Posted 13 April 2014 - 02:25 PM
Uroboros
SonOfTheGods, on 13 Apr 2014 - 14:25, said:
I rather you tell me
Posted 13 April 2014 - 02:28 PM
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this way- it isn't put in your head subliminally

no placebo

Oh my! Placebo!!

We dun want that!

I shall see what occurs from this practice...Oh, Im gonna go get a
harmonica to do the bone breathing one, too!

So many goodies here...Like a chocolate store! The neigong fatty in
me wants it all!!!!!
SonOfTheGods
--that's the stuff I wanna hear! haha
Uroboros, on 13 Apr 2014 - 14:28, said:
Oh my! Placebo!!

We dun want that!

I shall see what occurs from this practice...Oh, Im gonna go get
a harmonica to do the bone breathing one, too!

So many goodies here...Like a chocolate store! The neigong fatty
in me wants it all!!!!!
Posted 13 April 2014 - 02:30 PM
Uroboros
Posted 13 April 2014 - 06:46 PM
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SonOfTheGods, on 13 Apr 2014 - 10:55, said:
Ok, so you practice anywhere from 20 minutes to 1 hour daily- x
3 years

your results are good

but we can make them improve

THIS IS ONLY ADVICE- USE IT OR LOOSE IT- THAT'S UP TO
YOU, BUDDY

IMO/IME: I would do this, instead:


first- strive for that Full Lotus- yeah it sucks lol- but 1 hour of
Full Lotus is more potent than 4 hours of cross legged sitting- so
says many masters (& I agree, so add me to that list too, LOL)


now- there's more layers of subcutaneous fat on the lower
abdominals as opposed to the upper section

fat is energy

focus on your lower tan tien

breathe into it

into nostrils - down into it

allow diaphragm to expand and then exhale

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do this a few times

Coming next: this is all my personal instruction- most
likely never written down by anyone else:

I want you to "see" a small solar orb/White Hot Lux
descending down in front of your body-
and allow it to drop down right in front of your lower tan tien

this appears to be "something similar to" Sol, our Sun

inhale and absorb the heat and power and bright blinding
light
directly into your lower tan tien

inhale it straight inside through lower abdominal wall-
exhale while squeezing the floor as the exhaled energy radiates
into your glowing orb inside your body= lower tan tien

Do this 25 times- faster each repetiton

while doing this- spin forward your lower tan tien

even if you can not feel it- it happens

Try this and let us know you results

Do you have a another way to go about this that does not require
visualization? I am not a huge fan of visualizing things, it is so
easy to think something real is being done when its just illusion....
Visualizing colors is something I am ok with, though.

I prefer body manipulation, awareness/ feeling + breathing.
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Thanks, SOTG

Peace
Edited by Uroboros, 13 April 2014 - 07:08 PM.
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SonOfTheGods
Uroboros, on 13 Apr 2014 - 18:46, said:
Do you have a another way to go about this that does not require
visualization? I am not a huge fan of visualizing things, it is so
easy to think something real is being done when its just
illusion.... Visualizing colors is something I am ok with, though.

I prefer body manipulation, awareness/ feeling + breathing.

Thanks, SOTG

Peace
just use standard breathing techniques for now
Posted 13 April 2014 - 07:56 PM
Uroboros
SonOfTheGods, on 13 Apr 2014 - 19:56, said:
just use standard breathing techniques for now

Do you mean just use NAB along with the visualization?

Posted 13 April 2014 - 08:01 PM
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I have been some of the MCO you posted and I feel allot more heat
in my LDT area....Mixing the MCO with spiral plus red ball in LDT
, woo! Its nice.
SonOfTheGods
Uroboros, on 13 Apr 2014 - 20:01, said:
Do you mean just use NAB along with the visualization?

I have been some of the MCO you posted and I feel allot more
heat in my LDT area....Mixing the MCO with spiral plus red ball
in LDT , woo! Its nice.
Posted 15 April 2014 - 06:38 PM
SonOfTheGods
SonOfTheGods, on 01 Aug 2013 - 11:06, said:
Circulating Qi, Kundalini awakening, and moving energy in
general, moves you to the top of the food chain in the astral
realms, where energy moves in lucid, liquid tides.
The practitioner is consciously moving their energy to various
locations across their body, via metaphysical meridians that do
not actually exist in the physical realm.
These meridians have physical counterparts, however, but the
meridians, nadis, themselves, are mapped out in a realm that is
not limited by time and space.
Breaching physical laws, and moving these flows of etheric
tides, and consciously attaching awareness to them, is what
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powers you up.
Jing, shen, prana, chi - this is power, transformation, streaming
across dimensions and coloured by intent.
Someone who is working this, and then, masturbating, utilizing
visuals, porn, imagination, is creating a web of energy,
thoughtforms and streams/cords all over the place.
If, for instance, you are using a porn movie, and watching it
several times, you are actually strengthening these cords.
With power really does come responsibility.
Pumping, building energy, aiming, and releasing a cord of
energy.
That's masturbation. That's also a magick ritual.
These are very real laws.
If you are popping your root or sacral chakra, and bleeding the
energy in form of sexual arousal, while checking out your
neighbor's wife, she will feel this intuitively, somewhere in her
being.
Religious myths tell parables of, if you think it, you did it.
We can feign ignorance by replacing it with innocence, but if
you are preparing a body for godhood, you are responsible for
the Frankenstein light body you have created.
In the astrals, if you could view these aura shifts, you would see
the mess you have created.
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A web of energy, some strong, some bleeding, some
backwashing.
Remember, time and space is breached by these energies.
I started discussing this here:
http://thetaobums.co...-and-sex/page-3
(http://thetaobums.com/topic/30582-movements-during-
orgasm-and-sex/page-3)
"As the myths of old, sex unites as one flesh.
The performers, viewers, create a web of etheric cords.
Not judging anyone, just a thought.
Kundalini is strong energy, using those lower chakras/Dan
Tien, etc, radiates interdimensionally at the viewed
target/recipiant.
Coloured by intent/emotion/enchantment/lust, empowers it."
"Chaos magick, has a law, that magickians create a sigil, and
although unknown to the casual spectator, will empower it for
the mage's own personal use.
Display this sigil on a T-shirt and stroll through the mall one
Saturday afternoon. This will charge that sigil just as well as
a coven of witches can raise a cone of power."
http://thetaobums.co...-making-a-mess/ (http://thetaobums.com
/topic/30856-celestial-pimping-you-might-be-making-a-mess/)

SonOfTheGods, on 01 Aug 2013 - 11:36, said:
Also, wanted to add onto this discourse of, Celestial Pimping
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It should be noted, that PK, Psychokinesis, is the force behind
poltergeist hauntings.
PK is usually emitted from a teenage occupant, related to the
haunting, that is entering Puberty.
Hormones, have etheric counterparts, and when coloured by
emotion, can produce PK..
Sperm, gives life, to "something"
I am not judging, but I know some people are having problems
with this subject.
Maybe in this light, it might bring you into a deeper
understanding.
If we follow the occult logic behind my posts in this thread, an
image while masturbating would be akin to etheric/RV stalking,
trespassing and rape., unless it is user consentual
It is no different than an Incubus

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NeiGong NeiGong,,
SonOfTheGods
I was going to name this The TaoBums NeiGong Forum, but
decided probably not a good idea

Just so not to confuse people in thinking it was another forum.


I want to try and stay on Topic.

I don't want any bad talking about other members, other
ex-members, other forums, etc.

None of that pertains to NeiGong.


There will some basic and some advanced info her.

Some of it many people never heard of.

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Posted 08 April 2014 - 08:54 PM
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1. The jen mo channel rises from the perineum and goes up
along the belly,
passes through the navel, the pit of the stomach, the chest, throat
and upper lip and
ends below the eye; it connects twenty-seven psychic centres. The
tu mo channel
rises from the perineum and passes through the coccyx to go up
the backbone to the
crown and thence descends along the forehead and nose, ending in
the gums; it connects
thirty-one psychic centres

2. As contrasted with twenty-four organic channels according to
ancient medical
science.
3. Ch'ung mo, or the 'bursting' channel, rises from the perineum,
goes up
between jen mo and tu mo and ends in the chest; it connects
twenty-four psychic
centres.
4. Tai mo begins from both sides of the navel forming a belt
which circles the
belly; it connects eight psychic centres

5. Yang ch'iao rises from the centre of the sole and turns along
the outer side of
the ankle and leg, then skirts the back of the body and reaches the
shoulder, veering
to the neck, the corner of the mouth and the inner comer of the
eye, ending behind
the brain; it connects twenty-two psychic centres.
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6. Yin ch'iao rises from the centre of the sole, turns along the
inner side of the
ankle and leg, skirts the belly and chest, reaches the shoulder,
turns up to the throat
and ends in the inner corner of the eye; it connects eight psychic
centres.
7. Yang wei rises from the outer side of the foot about one and
half inches below
the ankle, goes up the outer side of the leg and after skirting the
back of the body,
enters the upper arm, halfway along which it veers to the
shoulder, the neck, and then
behind the ear ending in the forehead ; it connects thirty-two
psychic centres.
8. Yin wei rises from the inner side of the calf, about five inches
above the ankle,
goes up the inner side of the thigh, and after skirting the belly and
half of the chest,
turns to the throat, ascends along the face and ends in front of the
top of the head; it
connects fourteen psychic centres.
Edited by SonOfTheGods, 08 April 2014 - 09:26 PM.
MooNiNite
SonOfTheGods, on 08 Apr 2014 - 21:04, said:
1. The jen mo channel rises from the perineum and goes up
along the belly,
passes through the navel, the pit of the stomach, the chest,
Posted 08 April 2014 - 09:27 PM
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throat and upper lip and
ends below the eye; it connects twenty-seven psychic centres.
The tu mo channel
rises from the perineum and passes through the coccyx to go up
the backbone to the
crown and thence descends along the forehead and nose, ending
in the gums; it connects
thirty-one psychic centres

2. As contrasted with twenty-four organic channels according to
ancient medical
science.
3. Ch'ung mo, or the 'bursting' channel, rises from the
perineum, goes up
between jen mo and tu mo and ends in the chest; it connects
twenty-four psychic
centres.
4. Tai mo begins from both sides of the navel forming a belt
which circles the
belly; it connects eight psychic centres

5. Yang ch'iao rises from the centre of the sole and turns along
the outer side of
the ankle and leg, then skirts the back of the body and reaches
the shoulder, veering
to the neck, the corner of the mouth and the inner comer of the
eye, ending behind
the brain; it connects twenty-two psychic centres.
6. Yin ch'iao rises from the centre of the sole, turns along the
inner side of the
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ankle and leg, skirts the belly and chest, reaches the shoulder,
turns up to the throat
and ends in the inner corner of the eye; it connects eight psychic
centres.
7. Yang wei rises from the outer side of the foot about one and
half inches below
the ankle, goes up the outer side of the leg and after skirting the
back of the body,
enters the upper arm, halfway along which it veers to the
shoulder, the neck, and then
behind the ear ending in the forehead ; it connects thirty-two
psychic centres.
8. Yin wei rises from the inner side of the calf, about five
inches above the ankle,
goes up the inner side of the thigh, and after skirting the belly
and half of the chest,
turns to the throat, ascends along the face and ends in front of
the top of the head; it
connects fourteen psychic centres.

wow cool. i will incorporate this.

a picture would be cool. i might have seen one..
Edited by MooNiNite, 08 April 2014 - 09:28 PM.
SonOfTheGods
We can go hardcore here!
Posted 08 April 2014 - 09:28 PM
SonOfTheGods
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MooNiNite, on 08 Apr 2014 - 21:27, said:
wow cool. i will incorporate this.
Once you know where all the key and tertiary meridians are, the
rest comes with general practice
SonOfTheGods
We will discuss if the Elixir Field = Tan Tien- is an actual
physical location or "visualised" - OR both.

And if those cords that hold it together are real

and how to cut them
Posted 08 April 2014 - 09:31 PM
KenBrace
SonOfTheGods, on 08 Apr 2014 - 21:31, said:
We will discuss if the Elixir Field = Tan Tien- is an actual
physical location or "visualised" - OR both.

And if those cords that hold it together are real

and how to cut them
Imo the three dan tiens are not just physical locations. They are
probably similar to spiritual body like the stomach, heart, and
brain are to the physical body.
Edited by KenBrace, 08 April 2014 - 10:15 PM.
Posted 08 April 2014 - 10:05 PM
Wu Ming Jen
Posted 08 April 2014 - 10:32 PM
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HARNESS THE POWER OF ONE OF THE OLDEST AND MOST
SECRETIVE ANCIENT CHINESE INTERNAL MARTIAL ARTS
TO BUILD AND RELEASE BOUNDLESS ENERGY, ATTAIN
VIBRANT HEALTH, AND DRAMATICALLY SLOW YOUR
AGING PROCESS!
For centuries Wudang neigong was the most closely guarded
secrets in all of ancient China handed down to just a select few
for each generation.
So powerful are these internal energy secrets, for centuries the
discovery of their unauthorized teaching was a death sentence.
Today the internet which has laid bare most everything formerly
hidden from sight has capitalized by offering parts and pieces of
neigong available in book or dvd form.
SonOfTheGods
I made a simple Banner for Signature

Took me a few minutes to make it
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Nothing fancy

but says it all
SonOfTheGods
MooNiNite, on 08 Apr 2014 - 21:27, said:
wow cool. i will incorporate this.

a picture would be cool. i might have seen one..
the thing with pictures is that everyone has a slightly different
location

Tan Tien locations depend on geographical locations

Those who live closer to the Earth's equator have their LDT lower
in the abdominal region

so to mark actual locations = longitude and latitude meridians of a
human body can be misleading
Edited by SonOfTheGods, 09 April 2014 - 11:25 AM.
Posted 09 April 2014 - 11:24 AM
SonOfTheGods
Last few weeks I have been training about 6 hours daily- my new
life and schedule adjustments allow me to do such


I'm a hermit now

Posted 09 April 2014 - 11:33 AM
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So over the past 40 years I would estimate I had approx. 400
students- that's including magickal as well as enochian studies

____________

I will be listing a Bibliography once I can access my flash drive
MooNiNite
SonOfTheGods, on 09 Apr 2014 - 11:24, said:
the thing with pictures is that everyone has a slightly different
location

Tan Tien locations depend on geographical locations

Those who live closer to the Earth's equator have their LDT
lower in the abdominal region

so to mark actual locations = longitude and latitude meridians
of a human body can be misleading

yes, i read dragons gate too.
Posted 09 April 2014 - 06:23 PM
tendou
6 hours straight or in a few session?
Posted 09 April 2014 - 06:48 PM
SonOfTheGods
tendou, on 09 Apr 2014 - 18:48, said:
6 hours straight or in a few session?
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No not straight

2 or 3 sessions
SonOfTheGods
Pho Wa is a Tantric practice for opening the Aperture of Brahma
on the crown of the
head, through which the consciousness leaves the human body for
rebirth in the Pure
Land.

Daoists employ a different technique which consists in putting the
energized
vital principle into microcosmic orbits MCO -so that
consciousness can leave the body
through the same opening in the crown.

This controlled death is important for the rebirth cycle.
MCO practice is essential to escape from the rebirth wheel

Visualizing in the body a blue psychic tube which is
red inside and stretched from the crown of the head to the
perineum.
Within this tube in the lower belly below the navel was a bright
pearl
which rose up to the heart center.

Sounds similar to g'Tummo
Posted 09 April 2014 - 07:32 PM
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NeiGong NeiGong,,
SonOfTheGods
I have an email list called -Lords Of Ziran

some of you may have read about it in my past PPF

Anyway, I have some info from it, that I will add here periodically
/ eventually


I've been doing a lot of practice and cultivating lately


The weather is warmer so doing much in Nature, streams, hiking

Lots of strong energy by running streams = negative ions = Yi
Posted 09 April 2014 - 09:28 PM
iradie
Beautiful to be able to train 6 hours a day. You must be making a
lot of progress. I would like to do so part of the year.Needs
organisation.
Posted 10 April 2014 - 11:45 AM
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iradie, on 10 Apr 2014 - 11:45, said:
Beautiful to be able to train 6 hours a day. You must be making
a lot of progress. I would like to do so part of the year.Needs
organisation.
We don't own a TV

Time is a precious commodity.

People do not realise how wasteful they have become with this
limited resource.
iradie
Thanks to Wu Ming Jen posting the Wudang Neidan Gong.


Wu Ming Jen, on 08 Apr 2014 - 22:32, said:
Today the internet which has laid bare most everything formerly
hidden from sight has capitalized by offering parts and pieces of
neigong available in book or dvd form.

You are right : a lot is accessible which was not, and the videos can
be of great help, but I believe there is still a lot hidden, also
because it cannot be seen with the eyes. Or to see it you must have
another quality of sight.
I just think that if I had looked at this video 10 years ago I would
not have seen the same as today, And there is a lot I do not see
today because I have not understood it.
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Interview with Chunyi Lin of Spring Forest Qigong
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I removed the No Trolling red warnings because I want
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All the over-trolling will just be moved to The Pit: Here
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Quote
THE MICROCOSMIC ORBIT TECHNIQUE
Secrets of Chinese Meditation Charles Luk
First stop your thinking (process). After regulating body and
mind, sit
facing east, with crossed legs. Adjust your inhalation and
exhalation, and
place the right hand upon the left one, drawing them close to the
lower belly below the navel. Then knock the lower teeth against
the upper ones
thirty-six times to stabilize both body and spirit. Let the red
dragon stir the
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sea thirty-six times,^ directing your (closed) eyes to follow its
movements.
Now let the tongue touch the palate. Calm your mind and count
your
breath three hundred and sixty times. When your mouth is full
of divine
water, rinse it a few times and then practise the four acts^ by
drawing up the
anus to ensure (for the vital principle) free passage in the jen
mo channel
through the coccyx and the middle gate (between the loins) and
then along
the spine up which it moves faster. Close your eyes, turn thein
up and
breathe in slowly through the nose without expiring, until the
piS^e pillow
(i.e. the back of the head) is pierced through. Then (the vital
principle), as if
being forcibly pushed up by the faculty of seeing, rises up the
(central
channel), circles the Kunlun peak (the top of the head), and
descends to the
magpie's bridge (the tongue). Now swallow one third of your
sahva which
should follow (the vital principle) down to the Bright Palace (the
heart) before
returning to the ocean of prana (the lower belly). Pause for a
moment
and repeat the same exercise for a second and third time to
make three circuits
in all. This is called the reverse flowing of the Heavenly Current.
Rest for a httle and, with your hands, rub the lower belly one
hundred
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and eighty times. When taking the hands away, put a warm
cloth over the
navel and lower belly in order not to expose them to cold air.
(The^cients
said: 'The secret of immortality Ues in the preservation of the
heat in the
Field of the Elixir (in the lower belly).') Then, chafe the backs of
the thumbs
against each other until they are hot and, with them, rub the
eyes fourteen
times to quench the 'fire' in the heart, the nose thirty-six times
to refresh the
lungs, the ears fourteen times to invigorate the kidneys and the
face fourteen
times to strengthen the spleen. Close the ears with (the palms
of) your hands
and beat the heavenly drum.^ Then raise your hands slowly
over your
head, bringing the two palms together* as if to salute the
Heavens. Do all
this three times and slowly breathe out impure air, inspiring
fresh air, four
to five times. Then (with crossed arms) hold the shoulders with
your hands,
shaking them a few times to invigorate your nerves and bones.
Conclude
by rubbing the jade pillow (the back of the head) twenty-four
times, the
small of the back i8o times and the middles of the soles 18o
times.
1. The red dragon is the tongue; roll it round your mouth
thirty-six times to
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make saliva flow, thereby reducing the scorching effect of the
heat of rising praqa. A
quicker way is to roll the tongue back as far as possible.
2. The four acts consist of (a) drawing up, ( touching,
closing and (d) inhaling.
Drawing up the anus is to promote free passage of prana
through the coccyx;
touching the palate with the tongue is to make a bridge
connecting the psychic
centres in the h?ad with those in the neck and the chest; closing
the eyes to look up is
to control the mind and to push up the prana; and inhaling
without exhaling is to
avoid dissipation of the vital energy.
3. Place the palms of the hands on the ears, press the second
fmgers on the back
of the head with the first fingers and snap the latter against the
bones above the ears
to make sharp sounds.
4. To connect the currents of pra<u in both arms, thus forming
another circuit
round the body.
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SonOfTheGods
From Li Zhongzi, A Primer of Medical Objectives (Yizong
Bidu), 1637:
The Classic states: 'Whenever we treat a disease, we must
approach it at the base.' Base here means root or source. Every
stream on earth has a source, and every plant has a root. If all
murky sediments settle at the source, the downstream waters will
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naturally be clear and fresh, and if we water a root, it will grow
and branches will sprout; these are the laws of nature. The
experienced physician, therefore, will always consider the source.
However, the body's source is differentiated into a prenatal and a
postnatal aspect. The prenatal source is the kidney; the kidney is
associated with the direction north and the phase element
water-water being the first offspring, in Taoism, of heavenly
Oneness. The postnatal source of the body is the spleen; the spleen
is known as the Central Palace and associated with the phase
element earth-earth being the mother of every living thing.
From Zhuang Yuanchen, Shujuzi: Inner Chapters (Shujuzi
Neipian), Ming Dynasty:
The kidney is the ocean of the human body. Since oceans are
situated on a lower level than the earth's streams and rivers, they
draw every one of them to form one large body of water. Oceans
may appear vast and inexhaustible, yet they still drain off some of
their seemingly unlimited supply. One way of drainage is called
'going to ruins,' meaning the water drains down into the earth
from where it will not return. The other way of drainage is called
'dwelling with the stars,' meaning the water steams toward the sky
and later rains down to earth again, where it dissipates into rivers
and streams and eventually returns to the ocean. This is the water
that circulates between heaven and earth, always striving to keep
an equilibrium between the extreme states of drought and
flooding.
In the context of the human body only the kidney can be compared
to the workings of this natural cycle. All the essences and fluids of
the body's various pathways pour into the kidney. After the kidney
has assembled the essential fluids of the body's vessels, it also
experiences two ways of drainage: one way is through the sexual
urge which draws the essence downward to the sexual centers;
once it exits from here it cannot come back into the system, so this
is just like the ocean "going to ruins." The other way is the upward
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dispersal by way of the suctioning affect of true qi, which draws
the body's combined essences all the way up to the flower pond
(mouth); from here it moves down through the throat into the
stomach, lubricating the five organ networks, nourishing all of the
body's pathways, and finally returning to the kidney. This is the
microcosmic process of ascending and descending that can be
compared to the ocean 'dwelling with the stars.'
Those who are knowledgeable in the art of nourishing life take
care to shut off the lower exit [of jing via ejaculation] while
striving to keep the upper pathway [of jing, nourishing the organs
and brain] open and unobstructed. In this fashion, there will be a
nourishing cycle that is free of leaks. Physical vitality (jing) and
mental clarity (shen) will be abundant, nutritive qi (ying) and
protective qi (wei) will be strong, inside (water essence) will be
sufficient to control fire, and outside (qi) will be sufficient to ward
off noxious influences. This is what the art of expelling disease
and the art of longevity is all about.
From Zhang Huang, A Compendium of Illustrated Texts
(Tushu Bian), Ming Dynasty:
In relation to the other organ networks, the kidney is situated in
the lowest position. It is associated with the phase element water,
and it is in charge of storing essence (jing). Just like water was the
first substance to emerge from heavenly oneness, the kidney is the
source of the human body, the initial sprout of physical life.
Everything between heaven and earth that is made from qi and
blood has the urge to mate. Once fire and water separate and
desire finds a match, the essence leaves the source, and what
creates the body will turn into what kills the body. If you are a
student of the Book of Change (Yijing) and align your desires
by fooling around with the lofty hexagram 41 [Sacrifice, Decrease],
then this is like being worried about floods at one moment and
about water leakage the next-you 'sacrifice' again and again, thus
using yourself up until there is nothing left to spare. Therefore, if
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you want to protect your source of longevity, there is no better way
than to guard yourself against sexual desires.
From Sun Yikuei, Contemplations On Unexplored Medical
Topics (Yizhi Xuyu), 1584:
In the Simple Questions (Suwen) section of the Neijing it is
stated: 'The kidney stores the qi of the bones and the marrow.' At
another place it says: 'The black color associated with the direction
north corresponds directly with the kidney; its corresponding
orifices in the body are the two yin (the genitals and the anus),
and its essence is stored in the kidney.' The Nanjing (Classic of
Difficulties) further explains: 'This is where males store their
essence.' This line does not mean that all of the essence is stored
right there; the brain is also called the sea of marrow, and the
kidney connects with the brain via the spine.
Master Shengsheng once said: 'Chapter 36 of the Nanjing states
that there are really two kidneys, namely the left one being the
actual kidney, while the right one is mingmen, the gate of life. It is
this mingmen that is the seat of all physical (jing) and mental
(shen) essences, and it is here that essence is stored in males, and
from where the uterus branches off in females. Thus, we speak of
two kidneys. Just as is said in chapter 39 of the Nanjing: 'The
fact that six fu organs are paired with five zang organs means that
the kidney really represents two organ systems, namely the left
one being the kidney, and the right one being mingmen. And
mingmen, that is the abode of jing and shen. This is where male
essence is stored and where the female uterus is attached; its qi is
on the same wavelength with the kidney.''
A detailed examination of both sections of the Neijing does not
yield any references to a differentiation of the kidney network into
two distinct parts. It was the author of the Nanjing who first
made this distinction. Does this mean that the entity which the
Nanjing author calls mingmen-the abode of jing and shen, the
seat of the original qi, the place where males store essence and
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females have their uterus-is nothing but idle talk? I say we have to
take this theory seriously, since it appropriately places extra
weight on the kidney network by emphasizing that the original qi
which lodges in the kidney is the source of our life force.
The Central Junction Classic (Huangting Jing) states: 'The
kidney qi regulates the upper burner, nourishes the middle
burner, and protects the lower burner.' The Collection of
Central Harmony (Zhonghe Ji) states: 'Breathing through the
process of opening and closing-that is what happens at the gorge
of mystery (mingmen), the root of heaven and earth.' Opening and
closing here does not refer to the regular action of inhaling and
exhaling through the nose or mouth, but to what is called the true
breath. The author of the Nanjing also said: 'The igniting spark
between the kidneys (shenjian dongqi) is the origin of the various
processes of human life, the base of the body's five zang and six fu
organs, the root of the twelve channel pathways, the door of
breath, and the source of the triple burner.'
Precisely this is what the concept of mingmen is all about. It is
what the Confucians refer to with their Taiji image, and what the
Taoists call the gorge of mysterious origination. If we take a close
look at a bronze acupuncture statue we can easily find out that the
point mingmen is not located on top of the right kidney, but right
between both kidneys. This certainly proves my point.
From Chen Shiduo, A Secret Manual from the Stone
Chamber (Shishi Milu), ca. 1690:
As has already laid out in detail in the Nanjing, mingmen is the
master of the twelve channel networks. But even though many
texts have since been written about this subject, the quintessence
of mingmen still remains in the dark. Therefore I chose to bring
up this topic one more time.
It is always said that mingmen is the master of the twelve channel
networks. Now, what kind of master is it exactly and what does it
master? Let me put it this way: if there is no fire inside us, we
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cannot exist. This fire must be there first so that the twelve
channel networks can be imbued with the igniting spark of
transformation. mingmen, therefore, is a type of prenatal fire.
This fire is immaterial and dwells in water. On earth, material fire
is being quenched by water. Immaterial water, on the contrary,
has the ability to generate fire. Therefore, when we say that "fire is
being quenched by water" we refer to material water; when we say
that "fire is being fueled by water" we refer to immaterial water.
And it so happens that immaterial fire can generate immaterial
water, meaning that fire is not contained within fire, but within
water.
Mingmen fire, is yang fire-a yang that is embedded within two
yin. In the microcosmic context of the human body, mingmen is
generated first, and only then the heart. Does this fact not
illuminate the importance of mingmen? When the heart procures
the power of mingmen, consciousness is in command, and we can
relate to the outside world. When the liver procures the power of
mingmen, it can plan. When the gallbladder procures the power of
mingmen, it can make decisions. When the stomach procures the
power of mingmen, it can absorb food. When the spleen procures
the power of mingmen, it can transport. When the lung procures
the power of mingmen, it can fulfill its administrating and
regulating functions. When the large intestine procures the power
of mingmen, it can pass on the waste. When the small intestine
procures the power of mingmen, it can disseminate. When the
kidney procures the power of mingmen, it can bring about
physical vigor. When the triple burner procures the power of
mingmen, it can keep the body's water pathways unobstructed.
When the bladder procures the power of mingmen, it can store. In
other words, there is not a single one among the organ networks
that does not rely on the mingmen fire for warmth and
nourishment.
This type of fire should be tonified rather than purged. This is
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done by tonifying fire within water, and especially by tonifying
water within fire. In this fashion, fire can be fueled by water and
at the same time be stored within water. If we just use cold or cool
herbs to attack the mingmen fire, it will become weak, and how
could it then nourish the twelve channel networks? This is what is
really meant by the Neijing statement 'when the master is dim,
the twelve officials are all in a state of crisis.' Doesn't that strongly
emphasize the importance of mingmen?

From Tang Zonghai, A Refined Interpretation of the
Medical Classics (Yijing Jingyi), Qing Dynasty:
The root of the triple burner is in the kidney, more precisely right
between the two anatomical kidneys. Right there is a greasy
membrane that is connected with the spine. It is called mingmen,
and constitutes the source of the three burners.
From Zhang Shanlei, A Revised Edition of Master Zhang's
Treatise on the Organ Networks (Zhang Shi Zangfu
Yaoshi Buzheng), ca. 1918:
The triple burner is really a name for the function of the body's
ministerial fire. It is the process of disseminating original qi from
mingmen, which is in charge of ascending and descending, and
absorbing and excreting. It roams in between the heaven and earth
of the body's landscape, and commands all bodily qi-the qi of the
five zang and the six fu organs, the protective qi (wei) and the
nutritive qi (ying), the qi in the channels and collaterals, and the
qi on the top, the bottom, the left, and the right. Its unofficial
name is therefore the central store house of clear qi. The upper
part is in charge of absorbing, the middle part is in charge of
transforming, and the lower part is in charge of excreting.
From Sun Yikui, Mysterious Pearls of Wisdom (Chi Shui
Xuan Zhu), 1584:
The so called triple burner is embedded in the greasy membrane
of the diaphragm, that is the hollow space between the five
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zang/six fu organs and the connective pathway through which
food and grain must pass. The qi of the triple burner is contained
and active within this space, steaming the diaphragm, reaching
out to the skin, differentiating the flesh, and setting everything
around it in motion. The regions that it reaches are labeled
according to their location, that is why we speak of the upper
burner, the middle burner, and the lower burner. Although the
triple burner does not have any structural reality to it, it has a
distinct location that is determined by the structural entities
surrounding it.
From Shen Jin'ao, Illuminating Lantern on the Origins of
Complex Diseases (Zabing Yuanliu Xizhu), 18th century:
What we call the triple burner is actually the corridor above and
below the stomach. The triple burner and its associated regions
thus entirely belong to the stomach, and what it oversees is
primarily the functioning of the stomach. The triple burner qi is
utilized to ferment and cook the food. Together with the stomach,
the triple burner is located in front of the taiyin spleen network-a
place that the roaming ministerial fire calls home. The term
"burner," therefore, refers to the triple burner's function of
cooking everything.
From Li Dongyuan, Illuminating the Science of Medicine
(Yixue Faming), 13th century:
The triple burner is an entity that has a name but no structural
form. It is in charge of all bodily qi, and it is a functional
manifestation of the three treasures [jing, qi, shen]. All of the
body's physiological movements, its unobstructed ins and outs
and ups and downs, therefore, rely on the triple burner-the
process of breathing in and breathing out, the ascending and
descending motion of qi, and the absorption and excretion of food
and water. The upper burner is located underneath the heart; it is
in charge of storing without draining. The middle burner is in the
center of the epigastric region; it is in charge of fermenting and
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cooking food and water. The lower burner is beneath the
umbilicus; it is in charge of differentiating the clear from the
turbid, and it drains without storing. The driving source behind all
three of these functions, however, is the middle burner.
From Chen Nianzu, The Three Character Classic of
Medicine (Yixue Sanzi Jing), Qing Dynasty:
The term triple burner refers to the qi that circulates in the upper,
middle, and lower burners. Burner means heat. Only when the
entire body cavity is permeated with hot qi can the body's water
ways be open and regulated. The triple burner is the fu organ that
forms a zang/fu pair with the pericardium, and thus belongs to
the phase element fire. In other words, if the heating qualities of
the upper burner are out of control, water will assault the upper
plains of the body. If the middle burner is out of control, water
will stagnate in the epigastric region. If the lower burner is out of
control, water will disturb bowel movements and urination. On
the other hand, if the triple burner qi is healthy and in control, the
body's channels and collaterals will be open and its water ways
will be disinhibited. It is for this reason that the triple burner is
called the official in charge of uninhibited water flow.

Jing is the Chinese designation for the essential fluid of our
physical body. The archaic Chinese character for jing denoted the
most refined essence obtained from rice (which is the main staple
of the Oriental diet, so this means the refined essence from food).
The basic yin (matter) from which all yang (physical action)
springs is jing. In classical Chinese medical texts, jing is
sometimes referred to as the body's "original water" with water
representing the ultimate yin ("original fire" being the ultimate
yang).
Water has a tendency to drain downward. The kidney, the lowest
of the organ networks, is where the body's water assembles and
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goes into storage until needed elsewhere. If the kidney function is
weak, its storage capability will become inhibited and jing will leak
from the body. Due to the Daoist belief that the jing is lost when a
man excretes semen (of particular concern, when an elderly man,
who already had deficiency of jing through aging, excretes semen),
virtually all of the ancient medical texts mention spermatorrhea (a
code for release during the disallowed practice of masturbation,
wet dreams, and ejaculation during intercourse when the attempt
is being made to prevent it) as a condition to be treated, since it
indicates a breach of the kidney's function of safeguarding and
storing jing. According to the Daoist ideal, except during early
adulthood, men should refrain from releasing semen, or, at the
very least, experience this infrequently.
Therefore, excessive sexual indulgence by males is considered to
be a major health hazard in all genres of traditional Chinese
writing. Since most men cannot control their urge to ejaculate,
every intercourse means an irrevocable giving away of jing.
Although Chinese medical texts consent that this may be
affordable for young men (who have a rich supply of jing and who
can easily replenish jing through post-natal sources), they
generally warn that the health of elderly males will suffer serious
consequences from frequent ejaculations. "What gives life will take
life" is therefore a common admonition that spans two thousand
years of Chinese medical literature.
While most Daoist and medical writings take up both the general
topic and the detailed techniques of safeguarding jing, it is the
realm of literature which best reflects the Chinese fear of
continuous jing loss by way of sexual indulgence. The epic Ming
Dynasty novel, Flower In the Golden Vase (Jin Ping Mei),
narrates the story of the erotomaniac Ximen Qing who peddles his
money and political influence to assemble a harem of six women,
then resorts to tonic drugs to bolster his flagging virility, and
finally comes to a horrid end after a final ejaculation of
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"mercury-like fluid, followed by blood and a gust of cold air." A
Daoist physician who is called to the deathbed comments: "The
candle flickers once the oil is used up." Both mercury and lamp oil
are often used metaphors for the kidney jing. To avoid such a
gruesome death, the handsome protagonist of the second moralist
novel of the Ming dynasty, Prayer Mat of Flesh (Rou
Putuan), decided to become a Buddhist hermit, cut off his
surgically amplified penis, and utilize his jing for spiritual
cultivation.
Although the word jing is synonymous with the Chinese word
semen, the seminal fluid represents only one form of jing. Other
dense fluid essences such as saliva (particularly the kind that gets
spontaneously excreted during meditation), vaginal fluids, breast
milk, or blood are all regarded to be different transformations of
one and the same jing; these are refined essences. Female
"leakage" problems, such as metrorrhagia or leukorrhea occurring
in older women, are therefore taken seriously for the same reasons
as loss of semen in men. Daoist body science even features a
special category called female alchemy (nu dan), wherein adepts
are instructed in the conservation of (menstrual) blood and its
transformation into physical and spiritual energy.
The jing stored in the kidney can be differentiated into prenatal
jing and postnatal jing. Prenatal jing contains the information that
is given to us before birth (we would today describe it as genetic
information) that is intimately linked to the growth and
maturation of an individual, which differs for men and women.
The defining passage in the Neijing for women reads: "At the age
of seven, the kidney qi [the physical action generated by the
material basis of kidney jing] in females is strong, and the teeth
come in. At the age of two times seven, the tiangui (stage of
hormonal and reproductive maturity) arrives, the conception
vessel opens, the penetrating vessel flourishes, menstruation is
regular, and pregnancy becomes possible." With regard to male
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physiology: "At the age of eight, the kidney qi solidifies in males
and teeth develop. At the age of two times eight, the kidney qi
flourishes, the tiangui arrives, ejaculation occurs, and it becomes
possible to have intercourse with females and beget children...; at
the age of seven times eight, the liver qi is exhausted, the tendons
are unable to facilitate smooth movement, the tiangui is dried up,
jing is sparse, the kidney system is exhausted, and symptoms of
physical aging are plentiful."
Postnatal jing is the nutritive essence distilled from food by the
spleen/stomach, and used to provide a constant flow of nourishing
dew to the other organ networks. If all the networks are plentifully
supplied, the surplus of the body's vital fluid transformation is
stored in the kidney. The Neijing states: "The kidney is in charge
of water, and it receives the essences of the other zang and fu
organ networks and stores it." Before birth, prenatal jing forms
the material basis for the development of postnatal jing. Once
born, postnatal jing continuously boosts the body's limited supply
of prenatal jing. Both forms of essence compose an indivisible
entity.
Kidney jing encompasses both kidney yin and kidney yang, often
referred to as the body's original yin and original yang. Kidney qi
is produced by the dynamic interaction between the two,
specifically the action of functional/warming kidney yang
steaming the material kidney yin. Kidney yin is the source of all
material body fluids, in charge of nourishing and moistening all
organ networks. Kidney yang, sometimes also called true yang, is
the source of all types of yang qi. It is the driving force behind all
processes of warming, generation, and transformation. The yin
and yang aspects of the kidney both rely on each other and control
each other. The proper balance between kidney yin and kidney
yang is an important precondition for health.

Will, determination, and power of memory are attributed to the
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kidney. The ability to keep a secret is attributed to the kidney's
power of retention and safeguarding against leakage. The Neijing
defined that "the kidney stores jing, and jing houses will power."
In turn, if kidney jing becomes exhausted, a weak will and poor
memory will result.

Fluids reach the kidney after they have been absorbed by the
stomach, raised upwards by the spleen, and sprinkled downwards
by the lung. At this point they become differentiated into clear and
turbid aspects by virtue of the transformative powers of kidney
yang. The clear part of fluid essence returns to the lung, from
where it moistens each one of the zang organs. From the lung, it
turns into nasal discharge, or sweat, or saliva, or tears; and it
differentiates into jing, blood, jin (liquids, that is the thinner
fluids moistening the muscles), and ye (the denser fluids
lubricating the joints and bone marrow). The turbid part feeds
into the bladder, where it is being transformed into urine, and
excreted.

Bone marrow is considered to be a transformation of kidney jing
that has the specific task of nourishing the bones. It is
differentiated into bone marrow, spinal marrow, and brain
marrow. Spinal marrow feeds into the brain, where the densest
concentration of "marrow" can be observed. The brain is therefore
also called the sea of marrow.
If kidney jing is plentiful, both the bone (supporting the body) and
the brain (supporting the mind) will be at a level of ideal strength.
On the other hand, a deficiency of kidney jing will bring about
brittle bones and a listless spirit. As the Neijing puts it: "The
kidney is the master of physical strength; it produces exquisite
movements/actions."
Since the teeth are considered to be the "surplus of the bones,"
they also rely on the nourishment of the kidney. If the jing is
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plentiful, the teeth are firm; if not, they come loose or fall out.
The hair's growth process is governed by the waxing and waning
of kidney qi. Again the crucial Neijing quote: "At the age of seven,
a female's kidney qi is in high gear, the second teeth come in and
the hair grows." Ancient texts often consider the head's hair to be
a direct outgrowth of the brain, which would relate it to the
kidney. The growth pattern and general luster of the hair is an
important indication for the condition of prenatal jing.

Although the process of breathing is governed by the lung, the
containment of incoming qi within the lower burner is governed
by kidney qi. Only if kidney qi is plentiful and its grasping power
sufficient can the qi passages of the lung be unobstructed and the
breathing be harmonious. If the kidney is weak and the breath
cannot "root" in the kidney, disease will eventually arise. Shallow
breathing, particularly in patients suffering from chronic asthma,
is therefore often associated with a kidney qi deficiency. In this
situation, the breath gets stuck above the diaphragm and cannot
descend into its rightful abode, the lower dantian. This aspect of
the kidney is one reason why there is such an intent focus on
abdominal breathing in Oriental cultures.

The kidney and bladder form a zang-fu pair: "The kidney is
connected with the bladder," states the Neijing; "the bladder is
the store house of the liquids and humors." This statement
reminds us that the bladder, similar to the gallbladder and the
small intestine, not only excretes unwanted waste materials, but
comprises a temporary station along the body's complex highway
of vital fluid transformation. Bladder function, particular its
function of "opening and closing," is largely dependent on the
power of kidney qi. If kidney qi is strong, normal water
metabolism will take place. The storage and excretion process of
water through the bladder is thus intimately related to the general
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functioning of the kidney.

The ears, which faintly resemble the kidneys in shape, are thought
to reflect the condition of kidney jing. Large ears and sharp
hearing indicate an excellent condition of kidney jing. As people
grow older, they not only become more forgetful, but their power
of hearing decreases (and sometimes their ears shrivel up) as their
jing depletes. As the original statement of the Neijing goes: "The
kidney qi communicates with the ears; if the kidney functions
properly, the ears can distinguish the five essential sounds."
Kidney qi, due to its mother organ's close proximity to the
openings in the lower burner, governs the opening and closing
function of the "two private parts," including sexual functions like
erection, ejaculation, and lubrication of the vaginal tract, and
maintenance of fecal continence (as well as urinary continence via
the control of the bladder).

The concept of mingmen, the vital gate of life, is an integral part of
the kidney system. The Nanjing (Classic of Difficulties)
elaborated on basic Neijing theory by figuratively differentiating
these two aspects of the kidney in structural terms, thereby
initiating a medical theory that was later referred to as the
mingmen school: "There are two kidney parts. Actually, not both
of them are kidneys. The left one is the kidney, the right one is
mingmen." The classic then goes on to elaborate that mingmen is
the place "where the entirety of bodily jing and shen is at home,
and where the original qi is generated." "It is the root of all zang-fu
networks, the foundation of the twelve channels, the gate of
breath, and the source of all three burning spaces." Later medical
scholars argued that mingmen is an immaterial force that could
not be physically located in the right kidney. Rather, its location is
the central point on the spine between the two anatomical kidneys
and opposite the umbilicus, thus forming a "posterior dantian."
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The Chinese name for the acupuncture point located there is
mingmen (GV-4).
The fire lodged within kidney water is often referred to as the
body's ministerial fire (xiang huo), as opposed to the imperial fire
(jun huo) of the heart. In its role of the "minister" serving the
higher centers, it warms the spleen, ripens food, grasps lung qi,
and gives volume to a person's voice.

The triple burner, a fu organ that is said to pass through and
connect all of the body's three burning spaces, stimulates qi
transformation with a specific focus on water metabolism. It keeps
the body's water ways unobstructed and smoothly operating.
These functions of the triple burner are intimately tied to the
kidney and bladder. The Neijing says: "The upper burner is like a
mist, the middle burner is like a swamp, and the lower burner is
like a ditch," referring to the essence misting activity of the lung
on top, the fermenting action of the spleen/stomach at the center,
and the canalization of water in the lowest part of the torso.

Injury to Kidney (Yin) and Mingmen (Yang) Fire: if the
kidney's ability to store jing becomes disturbed, a person's growth
patterns and reproductive ability will be affected; infertility, hair
and tooth loss, slow physical development, or softness and
malformation of the bones may result.
If within the kidney jing the crucial controlling/generating balance
between kidney yin and kidney yang becomes disturbed, different
symptom patterns may arise. Typical manifestations of
hyperactivity of yang due to kidney yin deficiency are burning
sensation in the palms and soles, tidal heat sensations, night
sweats, spermatorrhea, or sexual dreams. When the kidney yang
is exhausted and thus unable to execute its ministerial warming
function, symptoms of listless spirit may result: sore lower back
and knees; cold sensations in the body and its extremities;
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inhibited urination or frequent and profuse urination; early
morning diarrhea; asthmatic panting upon slight physical
exertion; difficult breathing; impotence and premature
ejaculation; or infertility due to a "cold uterus." If there is evidence
of kidney deficiency without obvious cold or heat symptoms, this
symptom complex is usually referred to as kidney qi (or kidney
jing) deficiency.
It is important to understand the intimate relationship of kidney
yin and kidney yang, and that prolonged kidney yin deficiency will
eventually influence kidney yang and vice versa. This phenomenon
is usually called a deficiency of kidney yin implicating kidney
yang, or a deficiency of kidney yang implicating kidney yin.
Changes in Water Metabolism: since the kidney is said to be
in charge of water, all pathological changes involving water are in
some way associated with the kidney. If there is a lack of kidney
yang, the body's general process of qi transformation will suffer,
and consequently water metabolism will be inhibited. As the
Treatise on Blood Diseases (Xuezheng Lun) explains: "If
there is not enough yang qi, pathological water accumulations will
turn into phlegm and distress the heart or attack the lung, or cause
symptoms of edema, abdominal pain accompanied by a sensation
of qi rushing upwards, or diarrhea and intense cold."
Most cases of phlegm or edema occur when the yang fire is unable
to transform yin water. Figuratively speaking, the kidney is the
general commanding the two water fu organs which are mainly
involved in the transportation and transformation of water,
namely the triple burner and the bladder. As the Neijing says:
"The shaoyang [triple burner] belongs to the kidney; above, the
kidney connects with the lung, and thus has two fu organs under
its command [triple burner and bladder]."
Therefore, if there is not enough kidney yang, the upper burner
cannot properly distribute fluids, the middle burner cannot
properly steam and ripen food and separate the clear from the
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turbid, and the lower burner cannot properly transform qi, thus
influencing the opening and closing ability of the bladder (causing
excessive or inhibited urination, as in bed wetting, frequent
urination, nocturia, etc.).
Moreover, since urine is manufactured from body fluids which are
in part produced by the kidney, a deficiency of kidney water will
always involve a deficiency of fluids, causing inhibited urination.
Along the same lines, too much urination will eventually harm the
body's fluid supply.
Emotional Influences on Proper Kidney Function: the
kidney is said to house the force of will power and determination.
Will power, therefore, relies on nourishment by kidney jing. If jing
is weak, then will power and its sustained expression (memory)
will also be weak.
Intense or prolonged fear, the emotion associated with the kidney,
will cause injury to the kidney qi, resulting in impotence,
spermatorrhea, or the gradual development of cowardly behavior.
The other way around, a physical deficiency of kidney jing can
cause a disposition for panicky and fearful behavior.
Kidney Disorders Causing Pathological Changes in the
Bones, the Marrow, the Hair, and the Ears: if kidney jing is
sufficient, the continuous production of high quality marrow is
assured, resulting in properly nourished and, thus, firm and
strong bones. Otherwise the skeletal structure will be weak, or
structural changes such as osteoporosis might occur.
If the kidney is harmed by pernicious qi affecting the kidney jing
and consequently the marrow and bones, there will be symptoms
of weak and sore waist and legs, or even atrophy of the legs
causing severely limited mobility. As the Neijing states: "If
kidney qi is pathologically hot, the lumbar spine will be inhibited,
the bones will become brittle and the marrow scorched, and
atrophy of the bones will result."
For the same reasons, symptoms of loosening and deteriorating
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teeth, or the drying, greying, and gradual falling out of hair are
related to the state of the kidney's jing qi. Since the ears and the
associated sense of hearing also depend on nourishment by the
kidney's jing qi, ringing in the ears, loss of hearing, or deafness
are typical symptoms for various aspects of kidney deficiency.

Moisten the kidney (tonify kidney yin) (zi yin; bu shen
yin): rehmannia (dihuang), tortoise shell (guiban), asparagus
root (tianmendong), lycium fruit (gouqizi), morus fruit
(sangshenzi), ligustrum (nuzhenzi).
Warm the kidney (strengthen yang; tonify the vital flame
of life) (wen shen; zhuang yang; bu ming huo): aconite
(fuzi), cinnamon bark (rougui), sulphur (liuhuang), morinda
(bajitian), deer antler (lurong), cnidium fruit (shechuangzi),
cistanche (roucongrong).
Complement jing and tonify the marrow (tian jing bu
sui): animal bone marrow (dongwu jisui), animal brain (naosui),
placenta (ziheche), deer antler (lurong), antler gelatin (lujiaojiao),
tortoise plaster gelatin (guijiao), cordyceps (dongchong xiacao).
Restore the storing action of the kidney (astringe jing;
stop vaginal discharge; curb frequent and profuse
urination) (gu shen; se jing; zhi dai; shou se xiao bian):
schizandra (wuweizi), cornus (shanzhuyu), alpinia (yizhiren),
rubia (fupenzi), mantis egg case (sangpiaoxiao), rose hips
(jinyingzi).
Restore the kidney's function of grasping and retaining
qi (na qi gui shen): schizandra (wuweizi), psoralea (buguzhi),
gecko (gejie), cornus (shanzhuyu), aquilaria (chenxiang).
Aid the transformation of bladder qi (hua pangguang
qi): cinnamon twig (guizhi) and hoelen (fuling), cinnamon bark
(rougui), lindera (wuyao), fennel (xiao huixiang), saussurea
(muxiang), citrus seed (juhe), litchi seed (lizhihe).
Open and disinhibit the water passages of the bladder
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and the triple burner (tongli pangguang, sanjiao): alisma
(zexie), hoelen (fuling), polyporus (zhuling), talc (huashi), akebia
(mutong), tetrapanax (tongcao), tokoro (pixie), polygonum
(bianxu), lygodium (haijinsha).
Clear kidney heat (moisten yin and descend deficiency
fire) (qing shen re; zi yin jiang huo): anemarrhena (zhimu),
phellodendron (huangbai), morus bark (digupi), eclipta
(hanliancao).
Discharge kidney fire (purge fire with salty and cold
materials) (xie shen huo; xian han xie huo): salt (qingyan),
halite (qingyan), urine (tongbian), calcitum (hanshuishi).

Since the kidney is the representative lower burner organ, it
generally needs to be addressed with high amounts of heavy and
sticky substances. The 18th century fever school authority Wu
Jutong once described this characteristic in graphic terms: "Lower
burner therapy is like a weight-if it is not heavy enough, it does
not reach the bottom."
Kidney disorders are generally of a cold and deficient nature.
Kidney therapy, therefore, needs to focus primarily on the
tonification of deficiency; purging of excess is a definite taboo. If
kidney water is deficient, the kidney needs to be tonified by
moistening yin. If kidney jing is deficient, it needs to be
replenished by supplementing jing and tonifying the bone
marrow. If kidney yang is deficient, the kidney needs to be
tonified by using modalities that strengthen yang. In the more
advanced scenario of mingmen fire exhaustion, materials that
warm and tonify the vital flame of life need to be employed.
Since the kidney has both yin and yang aspects, pathological
situations may arise from an imbalance in the ratio of kidney yin
and kidney yang. The most typical example is the upflaring of
deficiency fire due to a deficiency in kidney water, which calls for
a descending action that re-anchors the floating fire in the yin
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waters of the kidney. This is primarily achieved by the use of yin
tonics which will bring the diminished yin level back to full
capacity and thus naturally extinguish the deficiency type of
pathological heat. If yang deficiency has begun to implicate yin,
both jing and marrow should be supplemented and the vital flame
of life be warmed and tonified. If both kidney yin and yang are
deficient, both the various aspects of the kidney and the vital
flame of life should be tonified.
In the common scenario of spleen and kidney deficiency, both
spleen and kidney yang need to be tonified. In case of lung and
kidney deficiency, both lung and kidney yin need to be moistened.
In chronic asthma patients where kidney deficiency results in an
inability of the kidney to grasp the descending qi from the lung,
the kidney needs to be warmed with substances that specifically
assist with the action of grasping and retaining qi, such as gecko
(gejie) and schizandra (wuweizi). If lung metal fails to properly
generate kidney water, kidney yin needs to be moistened indirectly
by nourishing the yin of its mother system, the lung. If kidney
water fails to nourish its son, liver wood, the liver needs to be
supported by moistening kidney yin and/or kidney jing. In the
case that kidney deficiency has caused an exhaustion of the earth
network, the lower burner's vital flame of life needs to be
rekindled with warming substances in order to provide the
transformative forces of the middle burner above with the
activating heat they require.
If the extended water network (including the kidney, the bladder,
and the triple burner) is compromised by a damp heat condition,
the dampness should be disinhibited with materials of a cooling
nature that have a specific affinity to the lower burner, such as
alisma (zexie), polyporus (zhuling), and talc (huashi). If the
transformative powers of the bladder and the triple burner fail
due to an exhaustion of the kidney's vital flame of life, then this
type of pathological water accumulation needs to be transformed
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by primarily warming kidney qi, and secondarily by adding
several herbs that directly move out the pathological water. If
phlegm, dampness, or water rheum stagnate internally, phlegm
damp needs to be disinhibited, and water rheum driven out.
If the kidney has been damaged due to chronic illness, exaggerated
emotions, or excessive sexual activity, a change of the situation or
life style that has originally caused the condition is imperative.
Simultaneously, the recovery of the kidney system can be
supported by prescribing a selection of tonic agents that moisten
yin, strengthen yang, or nourish jing and marrow.
As the water network, the kidney has an aversion to dry
influences. It would be particularly detrimental to exclusively
employ bitter and drying substances in a situation where the
kidney yin is deficient. Perhaps unexpectedly, the Neijing
recommends pungent flavors to counteract dryness in the kidney;
these pungent flavors aid the lung in distributing moisture to the
kidney. In clinical reality, herbs like cuscuta (tusizi) and cnidium
fruit (shechuangzi) fit this category. The kidney strives for a state
of guarded firmness and tight solidity. If the storage fortress of the
kidney is properly buttressed, precious essence will not leak out.
Many bitter materials, although they should be used cautiously for
the reasons just mentioned, have a stabilizing affect on kidney yin.
Anemarrhena (zhimu), an herb that is both bitter and moistening,
and phellodendron (huangbai) are the prime substances used in
situations of continuous jing leakage, particularly lower burner
deficiency fire fueling obsessive sexual urges, excessive
masturbation, recurrent sexual dreams, spermatorrhea, or certain
types of leukorrhea.
Salty flavors have a direct affinity to the kidney network, and are
generally beneficial when used in moderation. "Salty flavors
generate the kidney," comments the Neijing. Increased dietary
intake of salt, usually obtained from stored foods with salt as the
preserving element, taken during the water season (winter)
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contributes to preserving the kidney against the cold. On the other
hand, salt has a percolating and leakage-promoting affect that is
overall unsuitable for an organ system that is in charge of storing
and metabolizing physiological jing, humors, and fluids.
Therefore, excessive consumption of salty foods is discouraged, as
it will harm the kidney and its affiliated body layer. "If the disease
is in the bone layer," the Neijing points out elsewhere, "do not eat
salty foods."
If the kidney root is damaged, many of the body's stem and branch
organs have already entered a pathological state first. If kidney
yin-that is the base substance from which liver yin, stomach yin,
heart yin, lung yin, and the body's humors and fluids are
formed-is deficient, it usually means that the condition is
preceded by a yin deficiency in other organs. Similarly, the
essential flame of the lower burner only flickers after the light in
the upper levels has grown dim. This situation has given rise to a
school of medicine that favors kidney tonification in most
deficiency situations. Tonifying kidney yin and kidney yang,
proponents have argued since the 13th century, means to moisten
and strengthen the body's source yin/yang and thereby the
yin/yang of all organ networks. However, the root status of the
kidney also implies that kidney deficiency is often accompanied by
inadequate spleen/stomach function. This poses a problem in
light of the fact that herbal kidney therapy requires heavy amounts
of sticky substances that are generally hard to digest. One attempt
to remedy this situation was the addition of herbal "digestive aids"
to kidney formulas such as Rehmannia Six Formula (Liuwei
Dihuang Wan). Pharmacists at the renowned Beijing herb
emporium Tongren Tang, for instance, used to automatically add
small amounts of the aromatic cardamon (sharen) if the patient's
prescription called for large amounts of the greasy kidney tonic
rehmannia (dihuang). Proponents of the spleen/stomach school,
on the other hand, have argued that kidney deficiency is often the
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result of a deficiency of its controlling network, namely spleen
earth. Spleen tonification advocates have said for more than half a
millennium that this should be the primary modality to regenerate
the kidney system. In any case, caution needs to be exercised
regarding the prescription of heavy "water" substances to patients
who show signs of digestive weakness, such as poor appetite,
bloating, and tendency to experience diarrhea or loose stool. A safe
method for the direct tonification of lower burner source qi has
been developed by the ancestors of Chinese medicine, namely
Daoist practitioners of "inner alchemy." The term inner alchemy
refers to Qigong exercises of the quiet, meditative kind that focus
on generating warmth and fullness in the lower dantian.

KIDNEY YIN DEFICIENCY (shen yin xu): primary
symptoms are dizziness; blurry vision; ringing in the ears; sore
and weak lower back or knees; burning in palms and soles; tidal
heat sensations; night sweats. Secondary symptoms include dry
mouth and throat; flushed face; emaciated features; premature
graying of hair; low sperm count in males; decreased menstrual
flow and infertility in females; forgetfulness; insomnia;
spermatorrhea; premature ejaculation; heel pain; yellow
urination; dry stool. The tongue typically presents with a red body
and little or no coating; the pulse tends to be fine and rapid.
Representative Herbs: rehmannia (dihuang), cornus
(shanzhuyu), asparagus root (tianmendong), ho-shou-wu
(heshouwu), lycium fruit (gouqizi), ligustrum (nuzhenzi), tortoise
shell (guiban), turtle shell (biejia), scrophularia (xuanshen),
eclipta (hanliancao), anemarrhena (zhimu).
Representative Formulas: Return the Left Decoction;
Achyranthes and Rehmannia Formula (Zuogui Yin); Rehmannia
Six Formula (Liuwei Dihuang Wan).
KIDNEY YANG DEFICIENCY (shen yang xu): primary
symptoms are pale or dark complexion; listless spirit; obvious
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aversion to cold; cold extremities; low sex drive; weak or cold and
painful lower back and knees; early morning diarrhea; frequent
urination or clear and profuse urination. Secondary symptoms
include impotence; premature ejaculation; infertility; clear vaginal
discharge; inhibited urination and edema; dizziness; ringing in
the ears. The tongue typically presents with a pale, tender, and
often toothmarked body, and a white and slippery coating; the
pulse tends to be deep, slow, and forceless.
Representative Herbs: aconite (fuzi), cinnamon bark (rougui),
epimedium (yinyanghuo), morinda (bajitian), psoralea
(buguzhi), deer antler (lurong), curculigo (xianmao), fenugreek
(huluba), cistanche (roucongrong), cynomorium (suoyang).
Representative Formulas: Return the Right Pill (Yougui
Wan).
KIDNEY QI DEFICIENCY (shen qi xu): primary symptoms
are dizziness; ringing in the ears; weak or sore lower back and
knees; physical and mental fatigue; shortness of breath. Secondary
symptoms include pale complexion; spontaneous sweating;
decreased mental and physical growth rate in children; frequent
urination; nocturia; spermatorrhea; premature ejaculation;
asthmatic panting upon exertion. The tongue typically presents
with a pale body and a white coating; the pulse tends to be fine
and weak.
Representative Herbs: walnut (hutaorou), dioscorea
(shanyao), eucommia (duzhong), cuscuta (tusizi), schizandra
(wuweizi), cornus (shanzhuyu), morinda (bajitian).
Representative Formula: Rehmannia Eight Formula (Shenqi
Wan).
KIDNEY JING DEPLETION (shen jing bu zu): primary
symptoms are dizziness; ringing in the ears; weak or sore lower
back and knees; low sperm count in males; amenorrhea and
infertility in females; delayed mental and physical development in
children. Secondary symptoms include decreased memory; slow
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and clumsy body movements; dull facial expressions; emaciated
body structure; hair loss; loose teeth; late closing of fontanella in
babies; muscular atrophy.
Representative Herbs: placenta (ziheche), deer antler
(lurong), tortoise shell gelatin (guijiaojiao), cordyceps
(dongchong xiacao), cooked rehmannia (shu dihuang), lycium
fruit (gouqizi), cornus (shanzhuyu), eucommia (duzhong),
cistanche (roucongrong).
Representative Formula: Placenta Restorative Pills (Heche
Dazao Wan).
BILATERAL DEFICIENCY OF KIDNEY YIN AND YANG
(shen yin yang liang xu): primary symptoms are dizziness;
ringing in the ears; weak, sore, or painful lower back and knees;
cold fingers and toes and/or burning sensations in palms and
soles; night sweats or spontaneous sweating. Secondary symptoms
include pale complexion and/or flushed face; poor memory;
insomnia; vivid dreaming; listless spirit; loose teeth; dry and split
hair; unsteady walk; swollen feet; asthmatic panting upon physical
exertion. The tongue typically presents with a red body and little
or no coating, or with a pale body and white coating; the pulse
tends to be fine and rapid, or deep, slow, and weak.
Representative Herbs: cooked rehmannia (shu dihuang),
ho-shou-wu (heshouwu), lycium fruit (gouqizi), ligustrum
(nuzhenzi), cornus (shanzhuyu), cuscuta (tusizi), schizandra
(wuweizi).
Representative Formulas: Rehmannia Eight Formula (Shenqi
Wan); Five Seed Fertilize the Ancestral Force Pill (Wuzi Yanzong
Wan).
THE KIDNEY QI FAILS TO EXECUTE ITS STORING
ACTION (shen qi bu gu): primary symptoms include clear,
frequent, and dribbling urination; enuresis; bedwetting;
spermatorrhea; premature ejaculation; tendency to miscarry; clear
vaginal discharge. Secondary symptoms include pale complexion;
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mental and physical fatigue; weak or sore back; loss of hearing;
spontaneous sweating. The tongue typically presents with a pale
body and a white coating; the pulse tends to be fine and weak.
Representative Herbs: schizandra (wuweizi), euryale
(qianshi), rose hips (jinyingzi), mantis egg cases (sangpiaoxiao),
dioscorea (shanyao), alpinia (yizhiren), dragon bone (longgu),
oyster shell (muli), cuscuta (tusizi).
Representative Formulas: Golden Lock Shore Up the Jing Pill
(Jinsuo Gujing Wan); Mantis Formula (Sangpiaoxiao San);
Retract the Source Pill (Suoquan Wan).
THE KIDNEY FAILS TO GRASP AND RETAIN QI (shen
bu na qi): primary symptoms are shortness of breath or
asthmatic panting (brief inhale, longer exhale), especially
following physical exertion. Secondary symptoms include pale
complexion; puffy face; blue lips; emission of small amounts of
urine when coughing; spontaneous sweating; general aversion to
cold; cold extremities; weak or sore lower back and knees; mental
and physical fatigue. The tongue typically presents with a pale
body and a white coating; the pulse tends to be fine and weak, or
floating and uprooted.
Representative Herbs: walnut (hutaorou), gecko (gejie),
psoralea (buguzhi), schizandra (wuweizi), cooked rehmannia
(shu dihuang), ginseng (renshen), codonopsis (dangshen),
aquilaria (chenxiang), amethystum (zishiying).
Representative Formulas: Ginseng and Walnut Decoction
(Renshen Hutao Tang); Ginseng and Gecko Powder (Shen Jie
San); All Encompassing Qi Pill (Du Qi Wan).
YIN DEFICIENCY CAUSING FIRE EFFULGENCE (yin xu
huo wang): primary symptoms are flushed face and red lips;
restlessness; difficulty falling asleep; dry mouth and throat;
burning sensation in palms and soles; tidal heat sensations; night
sweats. Secondary symptoms include obsessive sexual fantasies;
excessive urge to masturbate; frequent sexual dreams; dark
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urination; constipation. The tongue typically presents with a red
body and little or no coating; the pulse tends to be fine and rapid.
Representative Herbs: anemarrhena (zhimu), phellodendron
(huangbai), coptis (huanglian), raw rehmannia ( sheng
dihuang), peony (baishao), cynanchum (baiwei), eclipta
(hanliancao), lycium bark (digupi).
Representative Formulas: Anemarrhena, Phellodendron, and
Rehmannia Formula (Zhi Bai Dihuang Wan); Lock in the Marrow
Pellet (Fengsui Dan).
KIDNEY YANG DEFICIENCY CAUSING WATER
EFFUSION (shen yang xu shui fan): primary symptoms are
puffiness and edema (especially prominent in lower extremities).
Secondary symptoms include ashen or waxen face color; inhibited
urination; obvious aversion to cold; cold extremities; palpitations;
stuffy sensation in chest; shortness of breath; cough or asthmatic
panting accompanied by expectoration of runny and clear phlegm;
heavy and painful waist; abdominal fullness; scrotal edema. The
tongue typically presents with a fat, pale, and toothmarked body,
and a white and slippery coating; the pulse tends to be deep and
wiry; or deep and fine.
Representative Herbs: aconite (fuzi), cinnamon twig (guizhi),
hoelen (fuling), curculigo (xianmao), alisma (zexie), plantago
seed (cheqianzi), polyporus (zhuling).
Representative Formula: Vitality Combination (Zhenwu
Tang).

http://www.itmonline...gans/kidney.htm
(http://www.itmonline.org/5organs/kidney.htm)

Uroboros
Posted 11 April 2014 - 11:07 PM
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SonOfTheGods, on 10 Apr 2014 - 21:26, said:
Quote
THE MICROCOSMIC ORBIT TECHNIQUE
Secrets of Chinese Meditation Charles Luk
First stop your thinking (process). After regulating body and
mind, sit
facing east, with crossed legs. Adjust your inhalation and
exhalation, and
place the right hand upon the left one, drawing them close to
the lower belly below the navel. Then knock the lower teeth
against the upper ones
thirty-six times to stabilize both body and spirit. Let the red
dragon stir the
sea thirty-six times,^ directing your (closed) eyes to follow
its movements.
Now let the tongue touch the palate. Calm your mind and
count your
breath three hundred and sixty times. When your mouth is
full of divine
water, rinse it a few times and then practise the four acts^ by
drawing up the
anus to ensure (for the vital principle) free passage in the jen
mo channel
through the coccyx and the middle gate (between the loins)
and then along
the spine up which it moves faster. Close your eyes, turn
thein up and
breathe in slowly through the nose without expiring, until
the piS^e pillow
(i.e. the back of the head) is pierced through. Then (the vital
principle), as if
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being forcibly pushed up by the faculty of seeing, rises up the
(central
channel), circles the Kunlun peak (the top of the head), and
descends to the
magpie's bridge (the tongue). Now swallow one third of your
sahva which
should follow (the vital principle) down to the Bright Palace
(the heart) before
returning to the ocean of prana (the lower belly). Pause for a
moment
and repeat the same exercise for a second and third time to
make three circuits
in all. This is called the reverse flowing of the Heavenly
Current.
Rest for a httle and, with your hands, rub the lower belly one
hundred
and eighty times. When taking the hands away, put a warm
cloth over the
navel and lower belly in order not to expose them to cold air.
(The^cients
said: 'The secret of immortality Ues in the preservation of
the heat in the
Field of the Elixir (in the lower belly).') Then, chafe the backs
of the thumbs
against each other until they are hot and, with them, rub the
eyes fourteen
times to quench the 'fire' in the heart, the nose thirty-six
times to refresh the
lungs, the ears fourteen times to invigorate the kidneys and
the face fourteen
times to strengthen the spleen. Close the ears with (the
palms of) your hands
and beat the heavenly drum.^ Then raise your hands slowly
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over your
head, bringing the two palms together* as if to salute the
Heavens. Do all
this three times and slowly breathe out impure air, inspiring
fresh air, four
to five times. Then (with crossed arms) hold the shoulders
with your hands,
shaking them a few times to invigorate your nerves and
bones. Conclude
by rubbing the jade pillow (the back of the head) twenty-four
times, the
small of the back i8o times and the middles of the soles 18o
times.
1. The red dragon is the tongue; roll it round your mouth
thirty-six times to
make saliva flow, thereby reducing the scorching effect of the
heat of rising praqa. A
quicker way is to roll the tongue back as far as possible.
2. The four acts consist of (a) drawing up, ( touching,
closing and (d) inhaling.
Drawing up the anus is to promote free passage of prana
through the coccyx;
touching the palate with the tongue is to make a bridge
connecting the psychic
centres in the h?ad with those in the neck and the chest;
closing the eyes to look up is
to control the mind and to push up the prana; and inhaling
without exhaling is to
avoid dissipation of the vital energy.
3. Place the palms of the hands on the ears, press the second
fmgers on the back
of the head with the first fingers and snap the latter against
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the bones above the ears
to make sharp sounds.
4. To connect the currents of pra<u in both arms, thus
forming another circuit
round the body.

So the main part of this is, in simplified language-

put right hand on top of left, on ldt

click teeth 36 times

tongue sweeps the mouth + eyes following 36 times

tounge on palate + breathe with ldt for 360 times

then, keeping the saliva in mouth

suck anus up and in (anal lock) + closed eyes look up to yintang +
slow inhale+ hands on ldt

once the qi reaches the baihui, it will move to the tongue

swallow 1/3 of saliva

follow it down to ldt

-end-

Is that a close breakdown, SOTG?
SonOfTheGods
Posted 12 April 2014 - 10:20 AM
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Uroboros, on 11 Apr 2014 - 23:07, said:
So the main part of this is, in simplified language-

put right hand on top of left, on ldt

click teeth 36 times

tongue sweeps the mouth + eyes following 36 times

tounge on palate + breathe with ldt for 360 times

then, keeping the saliva in mouth

suck anus up and in (anal lock) + closed eyes look up to yintang
+ slow inhale+ hands on ldt

once the qi reaches the baihui, it will move to the tongue

swallow 1/3 of saliva

follow it down to ldt

-end-

Is that a close breakdown, SOTG?
Yes thats old school MCO

Basically the Microcosmic Orbit then the Macrocosmic orbit
encompasses your whole aura
SonOfTheGods
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http://www.lotusneig...sung-breathing/
(http://www.lotusneigongbristol.co.uk/sung-breathing/)

Quote
Sung Breathing
This is an extract from an article written by Damo Mitchell,
founder of Lotus Nei Gong, January 2011.
Sung breathing is a technique which, although simple, has
profound effects on health and consciousness. Benefits range
from relaxing the body right the way through to helping you
reconnect with the two great powers of Heaven and Earth.
The process of changing the way we work with our breath is
as follows:
First, we consciously take control of our breathing. We
need to over-ride the unconscious process which allows us
to breathe without thinking.
Second, we learn how to Sung breathe.
Then we return control of our breathing to the unconscious
processes having retrained our bodys natural breathing
process to a new, more efficient method.

Basic Purposes of Regulating the Breath
Our breathing serves a multitude of purposes but on a basic
level it enables us to carry out the following tasks:
Bring oxygen into the body
Expel carbon dioxide from the body which would otherwise
be harmful
Helps us regulate our emotions to a certain extent
Increases our acquired Qi intake
Regulates the internal pressure of the torso
Allows us to reconnect to the powers of Heaven and Earth
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The above functions of breathing enable us to develop a strong
foundation for further Qi Gong training.
The Principle of Sung
It is not enough to simply relax during practice of Qi Gong or
indeed any of the internal arts. The Daoists use the term Sung
instead of relax for good reason. In brief, Sung can be
translated as: the systematic transference of habitual tension
from either the physical or consciousness body into the
energetic realm.
This may sound a little confusing but in essence it is quite
simple as long as we remember that Sung is an energetic
process which largely takes place within the energy body.
The key to transforming physical tension and tension from the
consciousness body into energetic factors which can be
released is to develop harmonization of the three bodies of
man through our breathing.
Tension within the physical body is simply a piece of
information which is stored as a vibration. This tension may
have been caused by any number of physical or emotional
factors which, for the most part, we will be unaware of during
the process of Sung. As we use our Sung breathing technique,
the frequency of this vibration alters. It is transformed into an
energetic state and so moved into the meridian system before
being discharged from the body. The result is that our physical
tension fades away. The more we practice this process, the
deeper we can delve and so we find that tension which has
been stored deep within us is released leaving us feel lighter
and more mobile. Releasing the body of physical tension is a
long and difficult process that moves through the following
stages:
Removal of tension from the large muscle groups
Removal of tension from the semi-fluid connective tissues
such as ligaments, tendons and most importantly fascia
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Removal of tension from the deeper layers of fascia which
sit deep within the body, particularly the layers
surrounding the organs
As the deepening layers of physical tension begin to vanish you
will notice different changes taking place within your body.
Your posture will begin to change as the bones are allowed to
relax back into their natural position. The tension which
pulled them out of place is let go of and so you should
immediately start to notice aches and pains disappearing. You
will find that your flexibility increases as joints loosen and the
spaces between your bones open up. As the ever-deepening
layers of fascia loosen, internal movement will increase and
your entire body will soften; the feeling is much like the body
of a small child which is very pliable and rubbery.One of the
major changes that you will find is an increase in your
stamina levels. It is very draining for the body to store tension
and letting go of it means that you will feel refreshed and full
of zest.
Tension within the Energetic Body
The energetic body will store tension as blockages in the
various pathways of the meridian system. It is impossible for
physical imbalance not to be reflected in an energetic
imbalance. These blockages within the meridian system
decrease the efficiency of Qi flow and so in turn can lead to
sickness.
Qi is driven through the meridian system by the rotation of the
lower Dan Tien. The nature of this Qi is constantly changing in
response to various factors including our health, emotional
state and the quality of the Qi which we draw in from our food
and air. The energy body is capable of naturally expelling a
certain amount of energetic imbalances when we breathe but,
due to the nature of modern living, we tend to develop more
imbalances than we can effectively deal with in this way.
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Through learning the Sung breathing technique we clear
tensions or blockages in the meridian system far more
effectively. They are mainly expelled through our extremities
and several major energy points including: Laogong (PC8),
Yongquan (K1) and Baihui (GV20) providing that they are
effectively opened through our internal training.
Tension within the Consciousness Body
Tension within the consciousness body is manifested as
imbalances within our psychological state of being. In the
same way that the physical body can develop tensions through
injury and illness, the consciousness body can build up tension
through the various stresses and difficulties we face in our
daily lives. As soon as we have an awareness of the negativity
within life we are developing tension within the consciousness
body. From a young age we are damaging our psychological
state and building up layers of emotional debris. These can
manifest in later life as some sort of physical illness or an
emotional breakdown.
Our emotions are simply a manifestation of imbalances within
the consciousness body. That is not to say that we are trying to
rid ourselves of our emotions through our practice, instead we
are trying to bring them to a stable point rather than
experiencing constant emotional fluctuations which is the case
for the vast majority of people.
Sung breathing uses the method of transforming
consciousness tension into energetic tension so that it can be
removed from the body. Consciousness tension is converted
down from the frequency of Shen to Qi whilst physical tension
is converted up from the frequency of Jing to Qi. In this way
we are finding the middle path in our practice. This is a
common aim in both Daoist and Buddhist practices. It is
important to note that the later stages of Nei Gong training
are more akin to meditative and alchemical practices and so
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consciousness body tension is simply removed directly via the
mind. It does not pass down into the energy body first. Sung
breathing is not as advanced as this and could be considered
an intermediate practice which helps provide the foundation
for further development into meditation. For this stage in our
Nei Gong training it is more than adequate and one
advantage that it has over meditation is that it does not rely
on us being able to achieve the difficult stillness of the mind.
Andrei
This is macrocosmic orbit:
Microcosmic orbit is only governor and conception channels.
Posted 12 April 2014 - 10:32 AM
SonOfTheGods
Tai mo begins from both sides of the navel forming a belt which
circles the
belly; it connects eight psychic centres

Commonly called Chi-belt

Energy ALWAYS Spirals
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Clockwise going down
Counter clockwise coming up

Unless you live in the opposite side to the western world

Reverse that, then

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Posted 12 April 2014 - 01:54 PM
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Soos, on 17 Mar 2014 - 23:54, said: (http://thetaobums.com
/index.php?app=forums&module=forums&section=findpost&
pid=532003)
Two years ago what is described here spontaneously happened
to me for the first time while jump-roping.
Laogong points on bottom of feet- and heel meridians.
Going up and down off the ground creates a magnetic yin pulse-
especially if your toes are coming into contact with the ground
first. (Think Kunlun). Perineum moving up and down. Flexing of
pelvis/cocyxx/sacral/mingmen.

The laogong points in your hands, plus the wrist daling points
being turned per the rope jumping activate the niwan point in
your head.
Then it reverses- like Tai Chi: Bai Hui - Niwan - Daling - LDT -
Bubbling Springs

Deep quick breathing from jumping rope is activating the fire
yang breathe, as your mind focuses on the event.

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SonOfTheGods
Quote
Abstract-

My MCO runs Reverse:
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Up the Conception and down the Governor's Channel.

Some theories suggest females have a reverse MCO, by nature.

I am male, but mine runs in reverse.

I do not produce heat- even when my Kundalini erupted, it was
not the melting heat variety.

Unlike g'Tummo where I can stay warm in cold climate, mine is
opposite.

I can sit in a very hot sauna, well over 280 degrees (F) for over
20 minutes with no problems, not even rehydrating while doing
it.

I do this a couple of times a week.

Other gym members come in there after me, but leave long
before me

I sweat a lot, and rehydrate afterwards.

I also use a lot of steam, and not the infrared variety.

So in my estimation, if g'Tummo uses Yang, then mine is using
Yin.


I use a grounding wire when I meditate in doors.

Simple copper tubing running into the ground outside my
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temple window, about 6 feet down.
Flattened iron container on the other end, which I placed inside
a double terminal Quartz crystal. (which can be used as a stand
in for a Yin field, to get Yang out of the body)

Quartz oscillates, and contains Piezoelectric properties.
Quartz crystal watches, etc

I also use a Yang cushion I made- which is Orgone/Yang/Blue
energy.

I sit on this small orgone cushion, placed directly under my
tailbone, raises me off the floor about 2 inches, while seated in
full lotus.

The grounding wire is raised slightly, and touches my
Perineum/bare skin.

This is used, with several varieties of seated meditation, for 2
hours daily.
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Uroboros
SonOfTheGods, on 12 Apr 2014 - 10:20, said:
Yes thats old school MCO

Basically the Microcosmic Orbit then the Macrocosmic orbit
encompasses your whole aura

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In this version of MCO, do you exhale after you swallow the
saliva?

Also, do you move your awareness+ eyes down to LDT?

Bringing it up, then down with awareness and eyes?
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NeiGong NeiGong,,
SonOfTheGods
I don't use the MCO

But sometimes, if the LDT is just too strong to contain, I use this
MCO to thin the flow out


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make sure your head is being pulled up like being suspended by a
thread, and swallow

don't depend too much on eye movement to make Qi flow

It will flow automatically

MCO - does it all by itself- for everybody
Edited by SonOfTheGods, 12 April 2014 - 02:32 PM.
Uroboros
SonOfTheGods, on 12 Apr 2014 - 14:32, said:
I don't use the MCO

Posted 12 April 2014 - 02:49 PM
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But sometimes, if the LDT is just too strong to contain, I use
this MCO to thin the flow out


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make sure your head is being pulled up like being suspended by
a thread, and swallow

don't depend too much on eye movement to make Qi flow

It will flow automatically

MCO - does it all by itself- for everybody

What do you use, if not the MCO?

Is there any intent used, to guide the qi or do you just use the anal
lock + eyes+ spine extension?
SonOfTheGods
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Uroboros, on 12 Apr 2014 - 14:49, said:
What do you use, if not the MCO?

Is there any intent used, to guide the qi or do you just use the
anal lock + eyes+ spine extension?
intent

anal lock later on, for compression etc

we want to avoid imagination

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SonOfTheGods
Quick & Easy:
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This meditation awakens and circulates qi through the two
primary energy
meridians of the body. In this meditation you will practice
ascending qi up the
Governing Channel, which runs from the base of the spine to
the crown of the
head ending in the upper palate of the mouth, and descending
qi down the
Functional Channel, which runs from the tongue down the
front midline of the
body. This cycle of ascending and descending qi is called the
microcosmic orbit.
The circuit of this orbit is only connected when the tongue
touches the upper
palate of the mouth. For this reason, you see this instruction in
the qigong above
and in this meditation.
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Intention of the practice: Qi flowing down the front of your
body cultivates openness
and receptivity to what is unfolding in life both inside and
outside. Qi flowing up
the back of your body cultivates responsiveness and
expressiveness. As qi
circulates up and down, around and around, a deep harmony
emerges between the microcosm in you and the greater
cosmos. This harmony reveals our beingness in a
deep, subtle, and profound way.
Structure of the practice: Please do this meditation for 20
minutes every day after
practicing the Energy Circulation Qigong.
One of the fundamental principles of qigong is Where the
mind moves the qi
follows. When you focus your attention on a particular
location in your body, you
activate the flow of qi in that area of your body. We will be
utilizing this principle
in this meditation by moving our attention to lead the qi
through the microcosmic
orbit.
1. Posture
a. Sit on the floor or in a chair in such a way that your knees
are lower
than your hips, your back is upright and supporting itself, and
you are
solidly grounded.
b. Tuck your chin in slightly to raise the back of your head and
fully
elongate your spine.
c. Direct your gaze at a 45 angle toward the floor in front of
you with your
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eyelids half open/half closed.
d. Place your hands comfortably in your lap.
2. Focusing Attention / Focusing Qi
a. Focus your attention on the center of your belly, your lower
dan tian,
and begin following your breath as your belly rises and falls.
Rest your
attention there for several minutes as you follow your breath
to allow the
mind to settle.
b. Imagine each breath acting like a bellows fanning a fire in
your belly. As
you follow your breath, your belly fills with qi and becomes
warmer.
3. Orbiting Attention / Orbiting Qi:
a. Close your mouth and gently press the tongue to the roof of
your mouth
behind your front teeth to close the circuit of the microcosmic
orbit.
b. Inhaling qi up your back: Inhale as you draw in your
abdomen and
tighten your anus very slightly. As you do this, move your
attention
slowly from the perineum up the midline of your back to the
crown of
your head.
c. Exhaling qi down your front: Exhale as you gently push
your abdomen
out slightly and relax your anus. As you do this, move your
attention
slowly from the crown of your head down the midline of the
front of your
body to your belly center.
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d. Continue in a cyclical manner to inhale qi up your back and
exhale qi
down your front. 4. As in all meditations, your mind may
wander. When you notice your mind
wandering, simply return your attention back to orbiting
without selfjudgment.
If your mind is wandering a lot, then return to Focusing Qi
(step 2)
and resettle your mind for a few minutes before continuing
with Orbiting Qi
(step 3).
5. At some point you may experience the qi moving through
this orbit
automatically. If this happens, simply allow the qi to move at
its own pace
without trying to control it.

In-Depth:

The exercise Microcosmic Orbit or sometimes they call it
Small Cosmic Orbit or Small Celestial Orbit is one of
the most important exercises in Taoist system.

In Ancient China this exercise was called driving boat along the
river for the channels resemble rivers, and to drive a boat along
the river, the river must have enough water, i.e. Qi. That is why to
master Microcosmic Orbit it is necessary to have experience in
practicing those exercises that contribute to generating,
accumulating and refining Qi, these are Big Tree and
Yang-Qigong.
The human body has 12 ordinary energy channels and 8
extraordinary. The most important of them are Du-Mai and
Zen-Mai that control the work of all the other channels.
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Microcosmic Orbit is the route of Qi
during its constant circulation along the channels Du-Mai and
Zen-Mai.
Zen-Mai channel has its origin in the point situated on the soft
tissue under your tongue and goes down the midline along the
chest and abdomen to the perineum (Huei-Yin point). Du-Mai
channel starts at the Huei-Yin point and goes up along the back
towards the head, crosses the crown (Bai-Huei point) and turns
down along the front part of the forehead to the point on the upper
palate.
Practicing qigong we always put our tongue up onto the
upper palate thus enclosing both channels and encouraging
constant energy circulation along the Microcosmic Orbit.
This is important from the point of personal security.



Qigong practicing generates much Qi energy. Energy stimulates
the blood flow. There is more and more energy, it becomes more
Yang and starts going up, to the head. Ascending together, both
blood and energy create excessive pressure in the head; it may
cause headaches, brain swelling and rather serious consequences.
To prevent it, energy must be routed off from the head down the
front-middle Zen-Mai channel. It happens spontaneously if
the tip of the tongue touches the upper palate, as the
tongue like a bridge connects both channels and the energy flows
freely.
When we practice Microcosmic Orbit the requirement to press the
tongue onto the upper palate is of a particular importance, it
must be done for the exercise practice.
One day it will not be needed any longer. Energy, like water in
pipes, when the pipes are cleaned before the general turning on,
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will smash all the blocks on its way and train the channels
Zen-Mai and Du-Mai channels may be trained so that they will
grow wider and deeper expanding they will imbibe and absorb
the neighboring channels and one day all the body will be one
unified entire channel, one entire Dantian, one biologically active
point.
Then the energy will be flowing in any part of the body steadily
and uninterruptedly. There will never be any blockages and it
means the perfect health.
This is the global objective of Microcosmic Orbit.
Qi energy on its course along the Microcosmic Orbit restores,
cures and improves kidneys, spine, brain and the area of the Third
Eye
Microcosmic Orbit also redistributes the surplus Qi directing it to
the areas that have more need of this energy.
Sexual energy deserves a special mention. After regular 1st step
practicing it starts generating intensively and produces strong
sexual desire. To avoid problems that might arise and turn your
life into uncontrolled and destructive Pandemonium, the
abundant sexual energy may be transformed into the higher and
more delicate energies with the help of Microcosmic Orbit
exercise.
The exercise is simple and as Yang-Qigong is practiced in a sitting
position.
Chan Chuan (Big Tree) practicing accumulates enough Qi in our
body. At first, we concentrate it in the area of the Lower Dantian
in the shape of a sphere, just picturing the image of a red hot ball
in the Lower Dantian, as we do during Yang-Qigong exercise.
Then we move the energy along the Microcosmic Orbit.
There are two ways to move Qi along Microcosmic Orbit:
With your mind and breath;
Only with your mind (not binding it to the respiratory
rhythm).
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Without a teachers supervision it usually takes not less then three
months to learn this exercise. Qigong calls it a hundred-day base
for the further practice. During this period you have to abstain
from sex.
This may be quite a long time and an arduous trial for the
common person, who now lives in a civilized European society
and is not going to display the miracles of heroism trying to
persuade his instructor in his will to study.
The developing module of Wu Chan Zhong Qigong is specially
designed for the ordinary secular people, having many interests
and occupations beyond Qigong, so it uses special intensive
methods. During the seminar class, an instructor shares his own
energy with the students in order to let them feel and learn it
quicker. You can also use our distance training option. However,
when I say "to learn it quicker" i means "you will quicker get the
sensations and gain confidence that you are doing the right thing."
The sensations are not important, you'll get them sooner or later.
The main thing is regular practice. Just practice, even without any
sensations, they will come eventually and you will see for yourself
that "it works!"
But the real result is not the sensations but an ability to enter with
the help of exercises into Qigong States, and further wonderful
and positive metamorphoses of your body and mind, that come
with it. You have no idea how much your life will change if you are
able to practice "very quiet" at least 20-30 minutes daily for 2-3
months, or if you can enter "the pause" for 10-15 minutes just for
2-3 weeks!
Microcosmic Orbit with Assistance of the Breath
Starting position: sit straight on the edge of a chair (occupying
about one third of the seat space). Tuck your chin in slightly so
your neck is straight. Top of your head is hung by the string.
Eyelids are drooped. Tongue touches the upper palate. Hands are
placed on the area of the Lower Dantian, left over right for women,
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vice versa for men.
Concentrate your attention on the Lower Dantian. Imagine and
feel inside it a red hot ball.
While inhaling draw your abdomen in and slightly retract the
anus, thus pushing energy out of the Lower Dantian, down to the
perineum to Huei-Yin point and then upward, along the spine
and Du-Mai channel to Bai-Huei point. You have to keep mental
track of energy movement from the Lower Dantian to Bai-Huei
point. Doing the described operations we make the energy in the
Lower Dantian more concentrated (rising its tension), it becomes
more Yang and therefore goes up along the only available rout
first, it is squeezed down to the perineum and then flows up.
Tracking the energy flow we stimulate the process with our mind
for where the mind is (and an intention itself) there the energy is
Exhaling, relax your abdomen and your body, move your Qi from
the point Bai-Huei down; from the upper palate through the
tongue along the front of your trunk (along Zen-Mai channel) to
the Lower Dantian. And mentally keep track of Qi motion.
Drawing the next breath repeat elevating Qi from the Lower
Dantian through Huei-Yin point along Du-Mai channel up to
Bai-Huei point; and breathing out send you Qi down back to the
Lower Dantian; and so on
The style of breath used in this manner of exercising is called
reverse breath.
In the end of the exercise imagine the red hot ball again in Lower
Dantian, squeeze it into the tiny dot, pat your head and chest to
prevent Qi stagnation in the head area Massage your ears and
shake your body
Practice the exercise for 30 minutes.
Attention!:
The pause between breathing in and out is not allowed, so Qi
movement doesnt stop in the head area.
After you breathe out you may pause and stop Qi movement to
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collect it in the Lower Dantian, then again send Qi along the
Microcosmic Orbit;
People with severe hypertension should not to retract their anus,
as it may lead to an increased blood pressure.
Microcosmic Orbit with Consciousness Alone.
Starting position is the same.
Concentrate your attention on the Lower Dantian. Imagine and
feel a red hot ball inside it. Mentally send the energy down to the
perineum, then send it up to the head, then down to the perineum,
up to the head
Keep mental track of energy passage along the Microcosmic Orbit
as if you scan Du-Mai channel from bottom to the top and
Zhen-Mai channel from top to bottom
Complete the exercise the same as all the other exercises
The time of practicing is 30 minutes.
Commentary: This exercise is easier practiced in the second
offered style (with your consciousness) if you trigger Qi
movement with the breath. And in this case, it is practiced for
5-10 minutes according to the first variant and then is continued
for the rest 20-30 minutes following the second style.
***
How to watch the channels?
Watch slightly, -seems to be, seems not to be. You do not have to
imagine the ball and its detailed journey along the rivers of your
channels Do not drag your sensations through the body, dont
force anything. Just run your attention along the back (you may do
it along the spine or somewhere around there)...
And one day you will feel something really moving up your back
and then going down the abdomen
At first the area of sensation will be really small and it will skip
along rather than being continuous; sometimes sensed, sometimes
not You do not have to intensify concentration, just remember
the description of Yang-Qigong exercise practice.
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With further experience the sensations become more stable and
the felt area of energy course tends to expand and grow.
One day, just by turning a part of your attention to your back you
will feel the entire Du-Mai channel, and turning it to your front
you will have a feeling of Zen-Mai channel. In this case, you just
have to turn your mental sight from back to front feeling the
energy circulation in the channels
And some time later, it may be enough just to sit in the starting
position of Microcosmic Orbit and you will be able to feel the
energy flow in each and every point of Microcosmic Orbit at one
and the same time. All you have to do is just to sit still, watching
and feeling the entire Microcosmic Orbit. This is a good way to
achieve pause as if you were sitting on the river bank watching
the waters constant stream.
Even when you are busy with the daily routine, doing whatever
you are doing , your Microcosmic Orbit will be constantly working
and, as soon as you pay attention to it you will feel the entire
Microcosmic Orbit
It signifies that the exercise has been mastered and
Microcosmic Orbit has opened.
Commentary:
About drooping eyelids as an element of the starting position of
this exercise: Some people insist that it is the most effective for
meditation because with the eyes open, too much irritating
information penetrates our mind and interferes with the State of
Qigong. But they also say that when you keep your eyes completely
closed it may take you to getting into some peculiar trance states
that have nothing in common with the State of Qigong, or you
may just easily fall asleep.
In fact, it is better to close your eyes and not spend additional
effort keeping the slit between the eyelids narrow enough to see
the light. Strictly following this recommendation we impose our
mind with some unnecessary effort-consuming rules and
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regulations. It may hinder relaxation and main effect. Do the
exercises in a way that is most simple, easy and comfortable for
you. When the State of Qigong comes, all the muscles, including
those on your face, will relax on their own and your eyelids will
open on their own, the right way for you.

http://en.dzendo.org...oad=stat&cat=19 (http://en.dzendo.org
/index.php?load=stat&cat=19)
Uroboros
SonOfTheGods, on 12 Apr 2014 - 14:57, said:
intent

anal lock later on, for compression etc

we want to avoid imagination

________________

will add more to this later on

http://www.amazon.co...duct/1470174545
(http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1470174545)

Ling Bao Tong Zhi Neng Nei Gong Shu

http://www.amazon.co...ader_1470174545
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/1470174545#reader_1470174545)

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Interesting.....I used the anal lock later, as you said to try and it
did feel different....It helped move the qi over and around my head
then letting it go, it fell down.

Yes, I do not like using imagination...I prefer to use technique and
feeling, some intent (not visualization).

I will look that book up, thanks SOTG! I look forward to what
other goodness you post!

This is a good forum you created. Its blossoming nicely.

Peace
SonOfTheGods
Uroboros, on 12 Apr 2014 - 15:09, said:
Interesting.....I used the anal lock later, as you said to try and it
did feel different....It helped move the qi over and around my
head then letting it go, it fell down.

Yes, I do not like using imagination...I prefer to use technique
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and feeling, some intent (not visualization).

I will look that book up, thanks SOTG! I look forward to what
other goodness you post!

This is a good forum you created. Its blossoming nicely.

Peace
Thanks man

When you do anal locking-- try this:

Locking the floor is what I call it

Squeeze Perineum, Anal area, but relax Coccyx-

release and squeeze again

Like a Pump

INhale squeeze and PULL UP

Exhale down into area- release the locks

This will generate HEAT

Pull up that heat into your LDT

let me know how it works for you
joeblast
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wish I could more adequately describe the crane neck motion I use
for the saliva swallow - similar to that central channel activation
technique I mentioned, take a potential and actuate it into the
crane neck when the saliva is full and swallow around the
energetic culmination of the movement....dropdropdrop thud
ldt-gurgle

I had to chuckle at the feeling the mco stuff...just knowing the
points and executing the pattern, there's no trying.
SonOfTheGods
Quote
The methods of the five arts are all inseparable from a number
of major elements: heaven,
earth, and humanity; yin and yang; water, wood, fire, earth, and
metal. These also produce the sky and
earth "stem and branch" parameters of the calendrical system,
as well as the eight trigrams and nine
chambers. Among these, yin and yang are the most fundamental
elements. "The Way produces one,
one produces two, two produces three, three produce myriad
things." The "two" is yin and yang, the
"three" is heaven, earth, and humanity. Heaven, earth, and
humanity also contain the five elements,
each of which has yin and yang. When primordial chaos first
began to open up, there was a single
energy, undifferentiated and still; the energy contained yin and
yang and had both cloudiness and
clarity. The clear energy swirled to the left and rose to produce
water, then turned into fire when it had
climaxed. The cloudy energy swirled to the right and descended
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to produce metal, then turned to
water when it had climaxed. Between yin and yang, at the hub of
rising and descending, the centered
energy became earth. So yin and yang are the governing order of
all things, the parents of evolution,
the origins of vivifying and killing, the seat of spiritual
illumination.
As for the calendrical stems and branches, there are ten "sky"
stems and twelve "earth"
branches. In combination, they make the sixty-year cycle. These
stems and branches are all divided into yin and yang. They have
correspondences in time and space, which are essential to
calculating
techniques used for prognostication.
The eight trigrams are constructed by spatial and temporal
changes in positions of broken yin
and solid yang lines. Three lines make a trigram, six make a
hexagram. A trigram is divided into three
positions representing heaven, earth, and humanity, with a
distinction between yin and yang line
positions. A hexagram is also divided into three positions
representing heaven, earth, and humanity,
and yin and yang positions are also distinguished. The
permutations of the eight trigrams produce the
sixty-four hexagrams, which are used to represent myriad
things.
The "nine chambers" is a notation device used to complete the
spatial arrangement of the eight
trigrams in the four cardinal and four intermediate directions,
which otherwise leaves a space in the
middle.
Using these basic elements of calculation, based on their mutual
production and their
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extension, the natural laws of evolution of myriad things are
investigated, using the present to
examine the past, using the present to figure out the future.
These are the tools used by the ancients for
purposes of prognostication.
Uroboros
SonOfTheGods, on 12 Apr 2014 - 15:14, said:
Thanks man

When you do anal locking-- try this:

Locking the floor is what I call it

Squeeze Perineum, Anal area, but relax Coccyx-

release and squeeze again

Like a Pump

INhale squeeze and PULL UP

Exhale down into area- release the locks

This will generate HEAT

Pull up that heat into your LDT

let me know how it works for you

Posted 13 April 2014 - 01:36 AM
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When I pull the pelvic floor and anus up, how do I relax the
coccyx? It seems to tighten a bit when the anus is activated..

It feels hard to inhale whilst pulling up on the pelvic floor. Hmm.

I will continue to experiment.
joeblast
Uroboros, on 13 Apr 2014 - 01:36, said:
When I pull the pelvic floor and anus up, how do I relax the
coccyx? It seems to tighten a bit when the anus is activated..

It feels hard to inhale whilst pulling up on the pelvic floor.
Hmm.

I will continue to experiment.
think prostate instead. in taoist yoga reference is made to the root
of the penis
Posted 13 April 2014 - 11:27 AM
Uroboros
SonOfTheGods, on 12 Apr 2014 - 13:47, said:
Tai mo begins from both sides of the navel forming a belt
which circles the
belly; it connects eight psychic centres

Commonly called Chi-belt

Energy ALWAYS Spirals
Posted 13 April 2014 - 07:46 PM
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Clockwise going down
Counter clockwise coming up

Unless you live in the opposite side to the western world

Reverse that, then

___________

This NeiGong Forum has really taken off, I am thankful
for that.

Altruism!, and everyone working together nicely.
No trolls- awesome!
THANK YOU EVERYBODY!
___________

Those who are sending me PM's and Emails- unless
they are personal, please ask your questions on this
forum- so others can benefit from the Q&A

I took the MCO and added some spirals per this recipe....The
results were immediate. The rising sensation + counter twist was
FAST! Also, increased the sensation by a ton!

The sinking had trouble twisting clockwise through my head until
it reached my tongue, then it shot down to the LDT like lightning.

Very interesting....Shall experiment more.
Uroboros
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joeblast, on 13 Apr 2014 - 11:27, said:
think prostate instead. in taoist yoga reference is made to the
root of the penis

Ahh, very helpful, Joeblast!

Thanks a bunch!

The root of the penis, mhm...Strange point, that one.
SonOfTheGods
Uroboros, on 13 Apr 2014 - 19:46, said:
I took the MCO and added some spirals per this recipe....The
results were immediate. The rising sensation + counter twist
was FAST! Also, increased the sensation by a ton!

The sinking had trouble twisting clockwise through my head
until it reached my tongue, then it shot down to the LDT like
lightning.

Very interesting....Shall experiment more.

awesome!
Posted 13 April 2014 - 08:01 PM
Uroboros
Uroboros, on 13 Apr 2014 - 19:46, said:
I took the MCO and added some spirals per this recipe....The
Posted 13 April 2014 - 08:10 PM
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results were immediate. The rising sensation + counter twist
was FAST! Also, increased the sensation by a ton!

The sinking had trouble twisting clockwise through my head
until it reached my tongue, then it shot down to the LDT like
lightning.

Very interesting....Shall experiment more.


Yep, this works wonders! A good bit of heat is in my abdomen,
hotter in the LDT and my heart area...Not surprising its in the
heart chakra area since I qi gets stuck there often. Lots of fullness
that blocks the breath from sinking there.

Anywho, Thanks SOTG!
Uroboros
SonOfTheGods, on 12 Apr 2014 - 15:14, said:
Thanks man

When you do anal locking-- try this:

Locking the floor is what I call it

Squeeze Perineum, Anal area, but relax Coccyx-

release and squeeze again

Like a Pump

Posted 13 April 2014 - 09:10 PM
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INhale squeeze and PULL UP

Exhale down into area- release the locks

This will generate HEAT

Pull up that heat into your LDT

let me know how it works for you

I finally got the perinium (penis root) area to pull up with the
coccyx relaxed! It did generate a little heat, more then heat it
activated my sexy qi. Felt the good ole sexual energy tingle and
burn right at the root of the penis.
Uroboros
What do you think about this practice?

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NeiGong NeiGong,,
Captain Mar-Vell
...
All of dis sounds too rote.

And some of it.

I don't want my tongue sticking out of my nostril.

Tink I'll stick to wiz wayz.

Dat way I don't know what I'm doing.

Don't tink about it.

It don't make sense at all.

...
Edited by Captain Mar-Vell, 14 April 2014 - 12:55 AM.
Posted 14 April 2014 - 12:54 AM
SonOfTheGods
Uroboros, on 13 Apr 2014 - 20:10, said:
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Yep, this works wonders! A good bit of heat is in my abdomen,
hotter in the LDT and my heart area...Not surprising its in the
heart chakra area since I qi gets stuck there often. Lots of
fullness that blocks the breath from sinking there.

Anywho, Thanks SOTG!
watch that heat in the heart area

drop it down the front meridian
Uroboros
Last night, after doing SOTG's bone breathing technique one
round, the sol technique 3 rounds, 6 rounds of the opening the
third eye circuit, 15 minutes of MCO in full lotus, Wild Goose 1st,
15 minutes of Pranayama, my Mingmen was burning hot with lots
of pressure behind it and my whole body was burning..This has
been happening about every few days for weeks now. Started
around when I restrained my ejaculations to once every 7 to 20
days, this was day 12 after 20 days beforehand.

In the night I got hot and heavy and had a bit of sex with my
girlfriend, I attempted to circulate the sexy qi but was unable to
move enough and an ejaculation exploded out of me. Came on
suddenly, too fast to catch. Then, the heat in my mingmen lost
allot of the pressure, my legs on the inner channels went fuzzy
weak and allot of sadness came up.

I think I pushed a little too hard yesterday.
Posted 14 April 2014 - 12:19 PM
Uroboros
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SonOfTheGods, on 14 Apr 2014 - 11:09, said:
watch that heat in the heart area

drop it down the front meridian

Thats something I have trouble with. Lots of "blockages" in the
heart area constrict the downward flow...

Im working on it, for sure. Thanks, SOTG
SonOfTheGods
Uroboros, on 14 Apr 2014 - 12:19, said:
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Last night, after doing SOTG's bone breathing technique one
round, the sol technique 3 rounds, 6 rounds of the opening the
third eye circuit, 15 minutes of MCO in full lotus, Wild Goose
1st, 15 minutes of Pranayama, my Mingmen was burning hot
with lots of pressure behind it and my whole body was
burning..This has been happening about every few days for
weeks now. Started around when I restrained my ejaculations to
once every 7 to 20 days, this was day 12 after 20 days
beforehand.

In the night I got hot and heavy and had a bit of sex with my
girlfriend, I attempted to circulate the sexy qi but was unable to
move enough and an ejaculation exploded out of me. Came on
suddenly, too fast to catch. Then, the heat in my mingmen lost
allot of the pressure, my legs on the inner channels went fuzzy
weak and allot of sadness came up.

I think I pushed a little too hard yesterday.

yes you over did it

but you did learn something from it- for next time
SonOfTheGods
Uroboros, on 14 Apr 2014 - 12:20, said:
Thats something I have trouble with. Lots of "blockages" in the
heart area constrict the downward flow...

Im working on it, for sure. Thanks, SOTG
drop it down from middle tan tien- in front- to lower tan tien- then
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to penis base

if it still a problem, do not squeeze the floor- but drop energy
down to perineum then further down through 6 feet of earth
Andrei
I already warned other people around here on these forums: too
much heat in mingmen-liver-kidney whatever will create a Vata
imbalance. Yes you have Qi but Qi is Vata, is too much too soon,
too fast. Also the heat in the prostate will make your sperm
thinner, and will cause you to ejaculate instantly because of too
much Yang energy.

It os not about Qi and not about circulation, MCO as taught
usually on internet and books will cause you only that : to get sick.

The only good thing that can happen is that your girlfriend leave
you someday soon if you continue this. I know because it already
happened to me. Twice
Posted 14 April 2014 - 06:25 PM
Uroboros
SonOfTheGods, on 14 Apr 2014 - 18:22, said:
yes you over did it

but you did learn something from it- for next time

Yea, I did. Thats ok, I learned allot. I always try and learn as much
as I can from my failures..

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Now I know I need to work on strengthening my kidneys and
flowing things down the Ren Mai a bit more.
Uroboros
SonOfTheGods, on 14 Apr 2014 - 18:24, said:
drop it down from middle tan tien- in front- to lower tan tien-
then to penis base

if it still a problem, do not squeeze the floor- but drop energy
down to perineum then further down through 6 feet of earth

Hmm...I will try focusing on the MDT - LDT - Penis Base
chain...see if I can clear up some of the MDT..

Its interesting how the stuckness in the MDT over time created
muscular tightness in the whole chest cavity. Alexander Lowen
had that right!

Thanks, SOTG
Posted 14 April 2014 - 06:28 PM
Uroboros
Andrei, on 14 Apr 2014 - 18:25, said:
I already warned other people around here on these forums: too
much heat in mingmen-liver-kidney whatever will create a Vata
imbalance. Yes you have Qi but Qi is Vata, is too much too soon,
too fast. Also the heat in the prostate will make your sperm
thinner, and will cause you to ejaculate instantly because of too
much Yang energy.

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It os not about Qi and not about circulation, MCO as taught
usually on internet and books will cause you only that : to get
sick.

The only good thing that can happen is that your girlfriend leave
you someday soon if you continue this. I know because it
already happened to me. Twice

Hehe, my GF wont be leaving me because of sex. I do not have a
problem lasting. The problem is that too much qi gets build up
and my system is not moving it well enough and it overflows out
of my cock!

EEGADS! Its bad!

Haha.

Thanks for the advice, Andrei.
Uroboros
I was thinking about this earlier, SOTG.

Why do we want to transform Jing to Qi to Shen?

Shouldnt we build and purify the Jing first?
Posted 14 April 2014 - 06:31 PM
SonOfTheGods
Uroboros, on 14 Apr 2014 - 18:28, said:
Hmm...I will try focusing on the MDT - LDT - Penis Base
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chain...see if I can clear up some of the MDT..

Its interesting how the stuckness in the MDT over time created
muscular tightness in the whole chest cavity. Alexander Lowen
had that right!

Thanks, SOTG
try doing the MCO in reverse tonight

start off from Perineum- bring it up to LDT - reverse breathe if
you can- from LDT straight to eye brow area/nose bridge

to crown, down to back of neck -down to middle of back/scapula-
down to mingmen down to perineum
SonOfTheGods
Uroboros, on 14 Apr 2014 - 18:31, said:
I was thinking about this earlier, SOTG.

Why do we want to transform Jing to Qi to Shen?

Shouldnt we build and purify the Jing first?
its a process

enlightenment is more important than power

Jing = essence
Posted 14 April 2014 - 06:33 PM
SonOfTheGods
Posted 14 April 2014 - 06:34 PM
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SonOfTheGods, on 14 Apr 2014 - 18:31, said:
try doing the MCO in reverse tonight

start off from Perineum- bring it up to LDT - reverse breathe if
you can- from LDT straight to eye brow area/nose bridge

to crown, down to back of neck -down to middle of
back/scapula- down to mingmen down to perineum
afterwards let me know exactly what your LDT did
Andrei
Uroboros, on 14 Apr 2014 - 18:30, said:
The problem is that too much qi gets build up and my system is
not moving it well enough and it overflows out of my cock!

Nope. The more you move the worst will be. I let you
experiment, and when you find your conclusion post it here for
anybody to see it. I am not ashamed because I know the truth,
which I payed a lot to find it.
Posted 14 April 2014 - 06:34 PM
Uroboros
SonOfTheGods, on 14 Apr 2014 - 18:31, said:
try doing the MCO in reverse tonight

start off from Perineum- bring it up to LDT - reverse breathe if
you can- from LDT straight to eye brow area/nose bridge

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to crown, down to back of neck -down to middle of
back/scapula- down to mingmen down to perineum

Will do, buddy teacher man!

I shall report back with the results!

Danke
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NeiGong NeiGong,,
SonOfTheGods
Everyone who wrote me PM's

I read them but I can't answer yet because my allotted
time for the last 2 days was taken up by Trolls
Posted 14 April 2014 - 06:35 PM
Uroboros
SonOfTheGods, on 14 Apr 2014 - 18:33, said:
its a process

enlightenment is more important than power

Jing = essence

If we turn our essence into qi and then shen...wont our body
become weak?

Or does the process create more jing?
Posted 14 April 2014 - 06:36 PM
SonOfTheGods
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Uroboros, on 14 Apr 2014 - 18:35, said:
Will do, buddy teacher man!

I shall report back with the results!

Danke
good work dude
Uroboros
Andrei, on 14 Apr 2014 - 18:34, said:
Nope. The more you move the worst will be. I let you
experiment, and when you find your conclusion post it here for
anybody to see it. I am not ashamed because I know the truth,
which I payed a lot to find it.

I will def post my results. If your are right about the MCO, I will
let it be known.
Posted 14 April 2014 - 06:37 PM
Andrei
That may work, running the MCO in reverse. just remember when
driving a vechicle you use the acceleration pedal but also the
brakes pedal.
Posted 14 April 2014 - 06:38 PM
SonOfTheGods
Uroboros, on 14 Apr 2014 - 18:36, said:
If we turn our essence into qi and then shen...wont our body
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become weak?

Or does the process create more jing?
we seek preserving pre-natal Qi

Postnatal qi- and Acquired Qi-- there is more than just Qi

combination of pre and post natal Qi is "true Qi"

we will go in depth with this eventually
Uroboros
SonOfTheGods, on 14 Apr 2014 - 18:41, said:
we seek preserving pre-natal Qi

Postnatal qi- and Acquired Qi-- there is more than just Qi

combination of pre and post natal Qi is "true Qi"

we will go in depth with this eventually

The Pre-Natal is the key, this is true.

Lots and lots of Qi's! Spleen Qi, Kidney Qi, Liver Qi, Post-Natal
Jing...

It definitely is a vital topic to go into...I look forward to it!

How to replenish Pre-Natal Jing?

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What is Pre-Natal Qi and how to create/replenish?

All things I want to know and I am sure others do as well!
Uroboros
Andrei, on 14 Apr 2014 - 18:38, said:
That may work, running the MCO in reverse. just remember
when driving a vechicle you use the acceleration pedal but also
the brakes pedal.

Thats a good point, Andrei...Remembering to pause/ rest is
important, just as much as acting/moving is....
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Uroboros
SonOfTheGods, on 14 Apr 2014 - 18:31, said:
try doing the MCO in reverse tonight

start off from Perineum- bring it up to LDT - reverse breathe if
you can- from LDT straight to eye brow area/nose bridge

to crown, down to back of neck -down to middle of
back/scapula- down to mingmen down to perineum

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I did 12 minutes of this in full lotus.

After 10 minutes I was feeling mentally calmer, breathing became
a bit stuffy, though.

The interesting thing was that my kidneys feel less hot and my
LDT started to quiver at the 10 min mark, it is also feeling hot.

It is still quivering a little and the heat is increasing as the
quivering lessens.
SonOfTheGods
Uroboros, on 14 Apr 2014 - 19:27, said:
I did 12 minutes of this in full lotus.

After 10 minutes I was feeling mentally calmer, breathing
became a bit stuffy, though.

The interesting thing was that my kidneys feel less hot and my
LDT started to quiver at the 10 min mark, it is also feeling hot.

It is still quivering a little and the heat is increasing as the
quivering lessens.
Do you use a grounding wire? and if not, can you?
Posted 14 April 2014 - 07:36 PM
SonOfTheGods
Did you reverse breathe?

Which way did your LDT spin? front or back or not at all- can you
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tell, or not etc?

there is no right or wrong answer- unique per indivdual
Uroboros, on 14 Apr 2014 - 19:27, said:
I did 12 minutes of this in full lotus.

After 10 minutes I was feeling mentally calmer, breathing
became a bit stuffy, though.

The interesting thing was that my kidneys feel less hot and my
LDT started to quiver at the 10 min mark, it is also feeling hot.

It is still quivering a little and the heat is increasing as the
quivering lessens.
Uroboros
SonOfTheGods, on 14 Apr 2014 - 19:36, said:
Do you use a grounding wire? and if not, can you?

I do not. I can use one, though. I have one connected to my
computer which is not far from where I cultivate.


SonOfTheGods, on 14 Apr 2014 - 19:38, said:
Did you reverse breathe?

Which way did your LDT spin? front or back or not at all- can
you tell, or not etc?

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there is no right or wrong answer- unique per indivdual

I did about half of the 10 minutes reverse breathing. Its difficult
for me to do reverse breathing, heck, breathing is difficult period!
hah

I did not feel it spin. The times when I have felt it spin, which I
can if I feel internally, it goes clockwise then counter then
sideways. Kinda like its a gyroscope.

When I feel that sensation, my LDT area gets hot.
Uroboros
After doing over and hour of cultivation for 4 days now, with a
focus on MCO work and adding in the few exercises SOTG shared,
I have discovered something about my body.

Last night, I ejaculated again. What happened was that the HuiYin
region, all the way from tail bone through to the penis, felt heavy
and stuck. Kind of numb in a full way. The sexy qi would not move
through this region and the ejaculation popped up suddenly.

Now I know that I need to focus on restoring flow to this region.
hehe, mistakes are helpful for growth, if we let them be.

SOTG- would the reverse MCO be the way for me to go right now
to help whatever is going on work through?

Oh, I also felt something in my navel area drop into my HuiYin
when I ejaculated...Like a heavy rock.
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Uroboros
SonOfTheGods, on 14 Apr 2014 - 18:31, said:
try doing the MCO in reverse tonight

start off from Perineum- bring it up to LDT - reverse breathe if
you can- from LDT straight to eye brow area/nose bridge

to crown, down to back of neck -down to middle of
back/scapula- down to mingmen down to perineum

In the book QiGong Empowerment by Shou Yu Lian, he has the
MCO cultivation in it.

First stage is opening the TailBone Gate, inhale into MingMen,
exhale into Navel/LDT.

Moves at a goats pace, slowly and requires much Qi to build up to
open fully.

If I did this reverse, since that region (small orbit) is where I have
allot of problems, would that be reverse circulation?

IE- Inhale at Navel, Exhale at MingMen

What say you, oh wise ones?
Posted 16 April 2014 - 03:15 PM
SonOfTheGods
Uroboros, on 16 Apr 2014 - 13:29, said:
After doing over and hour of cultivation for 4 days now, with a
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focus on MCO work and adding in the few exercises SOTG
shared, I have discovered something about my body.

Last night, I ejaculated again. What happened was that the
HuiYin region, all the way from tail bone through to the penis,
felt heavy and stuck. Kind of numb in a full way. The sexy qi
would not move through this region and the ejaculation popped
up suddenly.

Now I know that I need to focus on restoring flow to this region.
hehe, mistakes are helpful for growth, if we let them be.

SOTG- would the reverse MCO be the way for me to go right
now to help whatever is going on work through?

Oh, I also felt something in my navel area drop into my HuiYin
when I ejaculated...Like a heavy rock.


Uroboros, on 16 Apr 2014 - 15:15, said:
In the book QiGong Empowerment by Shou Yu Lian, he has the
MCO cultivation in it.

First stage is opening the TailBone Gate, inhale into MingMen,
exhale into Navel/LDT.

Moves at a goats pace, slowly and requires much Qi to build up
to open fully.

If I did this reverse, since that region (small orbit) is where I
have allot of problems, would that be reverse circulation?

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IE- Inhale at Navel, Exhale at MingMen

What say you, oh wise ones?


@ LDT, inhale and bring Qi flow to:
base of penis,
down to testicles-
to perineum
coccyx
sacrum
- exhale

sacrum is a large inverted pyramid with lots of nerve endings-

You can hold the energy there if it gets too hot- if the flow isn't
too hot/hard/heavy/feeling like it can pass-

then inhale and go to:
mingmen and
straight across to navel area- not lower tan tien.

Then on meridian outside skin- bring it down to LDT and the
points directly under the LDT- back to penis base.

If energy flow can be maintained- doesn't feel threatening- do this
route one more time- then

exhale at
mingmen- inhale at mingmen,
and reverse it down to
coccyx
perineum
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LDT

If you do this standing in a Goat stance- you can travel that flow
to Bubbling Springs transitioning from perineum, down- inhale
up to perineum, etc

For problematic Qi- push it deep down into earth to subliminate
it before bringing back into circulation
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NeiGong NeiGong,,
Uroboros
SonOfTheGods, on 16 Apr 2014 - 18:24, said:
@ LDT, inhale and bring Qi flow to:
base of penis,
down to testicles-
to perineum
coccyx
sacrum
- exhale

sacrum is a large inverted pyramid with lots of nerve endings-

You can hold the energy there if it gets too hot- if the flow isn't
too hot/hard/heavy/feeling like it can pass-

then inhale and go to:
mingmen and
straight across to navel area- not lower tan tien.

Then on meridian outside skin- bring it down to LDT and the
points directly under the LDT- back to penis base.

If energy flow can be maintained- doesn't feel threatening- do
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this route one more time- then

exhale at
mingmen- inhale at mingmen,
and reverse it down to
coccyx
perineum
LDT

If you do this standing in a Goat stance- you can travel that
flow to Bubbling Springs transitioning from perineum, down-
inhale up to perineum, etc

For problematic Qi- push it deep down into earth to
subliminate it before bringing back into circulation

When you say -base of penis- is that point before the testicles, then
testicles, then Huiyin?

Edit- gave this a go. The top of my sacrum to my coccyx is burning
a bit. My pelvic floor region did light up, though. Much more
tingly sensation then before! less stagnant deadness.

after some time, I noticed the burning is actually in my
pelvis/sacrum region more then kidney/mingmen or tailbone.

Also, I tried inhaling into the gate between the shoulders (behind
heart) and exhaling into navel..it flowed much easier then
mingmen-navel. The gate area also got hot and tingly fast. Felt a
bit slipper. My spine in that region is somewhat stuck and curved,
collapsing at the solar _ heart region.


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Would be it safe to, when things are somewhat stuck, to gather Qi
at Sacrum?
Edited by Uroboros, 16 April 2014 - 07:33 PM.
Uroboros
In Awakening the Healing Energy of the Tao by Mantak Chia, he
goes about the MCO by the method- Yi guides Qi- on key points
such as HuiYin, MingMen, ChangChiang, QiHai etc all the up and
down.

Letting the Qi flow, warmth gather, then move on to the next
center until the warmth gathers there...

What is your opinion on this, oh wise bums of Tao?
Posted 16 April 2014 - 09:29 PM
SonOfTheGods
Never let it stay stuck anywhere near the heart area

Either send it down the front

or

pull it from front to back through the Qi-belt/splits and pairs off
to sacrum and across down to LDT


Quote
When you say -base of penis- is that point before the testicles,
then testicles, then Huiyin?
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Yes.

Uroboros, on 16 Apr 2014 - 18:50, said:
When you say -base of penis- is that point before the testicles,
then testicles, then Huiyin?

Edit- gave this a go. The top of my sacrum to my coccyx is
burning a bit. My pelvic floor region did light up, though. Much
more tingly sensation then before! less stagnant deadness.

after some time, I noticed the burning is actually in my
pelvis/sacrum region more then kidney/mingmen or tailbone.

Also, I tried inhaling into the gate between the shoulders
(behind heart) and exhaling into navel..it flowed much easier
then mingmen-navel. The gate area also got hot and tingly fast.
Felt a bit slipper. My spine in that region is somewhat stuck and
curved, collapsing at the solar _ heart region.


Would be it safe to, when things are somewhat stuck, to gather
Qi at Sacrum?


SonOfTheGods
Uroboros, on 16 Apr 2014 - 21:29, said:
In Awakening the Healing Energy of the Tao by Mantak Chia, he
goes about the MCO by the method- Yi guides Qi- on key points
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such as HuiYin, MingMen, ChangChiang, QiHai etc all the up
and down.

Letting the Qi flow, warmth gather, then move on to the next
center until the warmth gathers there...

What is your opinion on this, oh wise bums of Tao?
that's simply means = energy follows thought

if you know the acupuncture points you feel them light up like
a pinball game

I bet joeblast will give a hellyeah lol
Uroboros
SonOfTheGods, on 17 Apr 2014 - 10:27, said:
Never let it stay stuck anywhere near the heart area

Either send it down the front

or

pull it from front to back through the Qi-belt/splits and pairs
off to sacrum and across down to LDT



Yes.

Alright, I wont let anything stay stuck at the heart. I have to move
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things from/ through there anyway.


Ah, ok. So it is the base below the penis. Mantak Chia uses Jing
Gong (sperm palace) which he shows above the penis at base.
Both feel extra tingly to me. When I feel the tingly at those bases,
the HuiYin lights up with tinglys, too.
Uroboros
SonOfTheGods, on 17 Apr 2014 - 10:29, said:
that's simply means = energy follows thought

if you know the acupuncture points you feel them light up
like a pinball game

I bet joeblast will give a hellyeah lol

Ok, good. I was thinking this would be a good way to open the
points/ MCO.

Qi follows Yi.....Foundations of foundation.

Its interesting how if I activate the tingly goodness at the sperm
palace or penis base, then move on to GV-1 ( tail bone) the tingly
goodness moved into it.
Last night I spent some time on the tailbone (GV-1) and at a point
it felt like tingly buzzing water was building behind a dam and was
attempting to shoot through the dam...did not break through,
though....A little bit made it through.
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Uroboros, on 17 Apr 2014 - 11:57, said:


Ah, ok. So it is the base below the penis.

no the base is where the shaft connects in the body
Posted 17 April 2014 - 06:29 PM
SonOfTheGods
Uroboros, on 17 Apr 2014 - 12:01, said:
Ok, good. I was thinking this would be a good way to open the
points/ MCO.

Qi follows Yi.....Foundations of foundation.

Its interesting how if I activate the tingly goodness at the sperm
palace or penis base, then move on to GV-1 ( tail bone) the tingly
goodness moved into it.
Last night I spent some time on the tailbone (GV-1) and at a
point it felt like tingly buzzing water was building behind a dam
and was attempting to shoot through the dam...did not break
through, though....A little bit made it through.
a good way to get to the coccyx is visualize the Qi flow on the
rectum area
Edited by SonOfTheGods, 17 April 2014 - 06:32 PM.
Posted 17 April 2014 - 06:31 PM
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that's the first knot/bandh/granthis

Uroboros, on 17 Apr 2014 - 12:01, said:
dam and was attempting to shoot through the dam...did not
break through, though....A little bit made it through.
Uroboros
SonOfTheGods, on 17 Apr 2014 - 18:29, said:
no the base is where the shaft connects in the body

Why do you use the bottom base, where Mantak only talks about
the top base, Sperm Palace?

They both feel powerful and tingly.
Posted 18 April 2014 - 12:36 AM
joeblast
SonOfTheGods, on 17 Apr 2014 - 18:31, said:
a good way to get to the coccyx is visualize the Qi flow on the
rectum area
disagree, yi follows qi, no need to energize that. make sacrum
bright instead, feel gradient from s4/5 to top.
Posted 18 April 2014 - 07:40 AM
Uroboros
joeblast, on 18 Apr 2014 - 07:40, said:
disagree, yi follows qi, no need to energize that. make sacrum
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bright instead, feel gradient from s4/5 to top.

What do you mean, yi follows qi? I have always heard it the other
way, that Yi guides the Qi's flow..
SonOfTheGods
Uroboros, on 17 Apr 2014 - 12:01, said:
Ok, good. I was thinking this would be a good way to open the
points/ MCO.

Qi follows Yi.....Foundations of foundation.

Its interesting how if I activate the tingly goodness at the sperm
palace or penis base, then move on to GV-1 ( tail bone) the tingly
goodness moved into it.
Last night I spent some time on the tailbone (GV-1) and at a
point it felt like tingly buzzing water was building behind a dam
and was attempting to shoot through the dam...did not break
through, though....A little bit made it through.


joeblast, on 18 Apr 2014 - 07:40, said:
disagree, yi follows qi, no need to energize that. make sacrum
bright instead, feel gradient from s4/5 to top.

No No don't energize the rectum! lol

Just wanted him to be aware of where the area of tailbone knot
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area is located at, and due to the large amount of blood vessels in
the rectal area it makes it easier to find

like if a sign that reads: "if you see the asshole keep going" LOL
Uroboros
SonOfTheGods, on 18 Apr 2014 - 18:15, said:
No No don't energize the rectum! lol

Just wanted him to be aware of where the area of tailbone knot
area is located at, and due to the large amount of blood vessels
in the rectal area it makes it easier to find

like if a sign that reads: "if you see the asshole keep going" LOL

OK! I wont energize the rectum!

I can feel some real good tingly full ness at the tail bone GV-1 area.
Right above the rectum. This place is a solid spot to work on,
right?

Hehe, I see the asshole, must keep going......
Posted 18 April 2014 - 08:51 PM
joeblast
Uroboros, on 18 Apr 2014 - 13:45, said:
What do you mean, yi follows qi? I have always heard it the
other way, that Yi guides the Qi's flow..
eh that was kinda ass backwards, not the right verbiage. I had
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more a concept of "mindful of" in my head...busy day at work
SonOfTheGods
joeblast, on 19 Apr 2014 - 10:14, said:
eh that was kinda ass backwards, not the right verbiage. I had
more a concept of "mindful of" in my head...busy day at work
actually though, it could be useful both ways

Advanced practitioners- Yi can follow Qi flow, when those points
light up = rote- your intent can follow them to discover other
Tertiary minor points along the way



Advanced cultivators who eventually explore diamond and
rainbow Immortal/etc body(s)- new longitude and latitude
meridians will envelope the evolved auric structure(s)

-all readily available to be discovered
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NeiGong NeiGong,,
SonOfTheGods
Uroboros, on 18 Apr 2014 - 20:51, said:
OK! I wont energize the rectum!

I can feel some real good tingly full ness at the tail bone GV-1
area. Right above the rectum. This place is a solid spot to work
on, right?

Hehe, I see the asshole, must keep going......

Yes getting past the knot

the rectum, as in anal breathing- turtles do that- is also useful

in advanced, the Qi flow with Yi can take it from rectum across to
prostate

that being said- of course there are other routes to get to
prostate

but in advanced sometimes it is advisable to re-route or go
different ways

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i.e., to cut cords etc

all advanced though not for you! lol -not yet- eventually
though

you're making good progress
Uroboros
SonOfTheGods, on 19 Apr 2014 - 10:48, said:
Yes getting past the knot

the rectum, as in anal breathing- turtles do that- is also useful

in advanced, the Qi flow with Yi can take it from rectum across
to prostate

that being said- of course there are other routes to get to
prostate

but in advanced sometimes it is advisable to re-route or go
different ways

i.e., to cut cords etc

all advanced though not for you! lol -not yet- eventually
though

you're making good progress

After doing a good bit of work on the MCO, mostly first knot
region, a new sensation has occured.
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Now, when inhaling at mingmen, I feel "qi" moving up the inside
of my legs into mingmen region, when exhaling at navel, it flows
down legs into feet.

This is consistent. Every inhale + exhale. Strongest with light
awareness of mingmen/ navel

Does this have anything to do with the knots opening?
SonOfTheGods
Uroboros, on 19 Apr 2014 - 19:40, said:
After doing a good bit of work on the MCO, mostly first knot
region, a new sensation has occured.

Now, when inhaling at mingmen, I feel "qi" moving up the
inside of my legs into mingmen region, when exhaling at navel,
it flows down legs into feet.

This is consistent. Every inhale + exhale. Strongest with light
awareness of mingmen/ navel

Does this have anything to do with the knots opening?

see how consistant it is with what joeblast posted somewhere on
here:

Quote
1-Breathe in to drive the vital breath up from the huiyin through
the governing vessel (tu mo) in the spine to the brain
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2-Breathe out to lower the vital breath through the conception
vessel (jen mo) down the front of the body to return to the
huiyin.
3-Breathe in raising from huiyin through CV (jen mo) to the
cavity of vitality (lower dantien) continuing split in two along
both sides of the belt vessel (tai mo) joining at the lower back,
continuing on up to the T5 vertebra (GV11 which is the heart
point of the back) where it stops
4-Breathe out to let it flow from both shoulders down into the
(positive) yang yu channels in the outer sides of both wrists, to
the middle fingers before reaching the centers of both palms
(PC8, laogung) where it stops (the common arm & legs channels
are simply grouped together here since they flow in common
direction.)
5-Breathe in to lift the vital breath from laogung into the
(negative) yin yu channels on the insides of the wrists up to the
chest where it stops
6-Breathe out to drive the vital breath down to the belt vessel
where its two branches reunite before returning to the mortal
cavity (huiyin)
7-Breathe in to lift it from the mortal cavity into the central
channel (thrusting vessel, chung mo) up to the solar plexus
(chiang kung cavity) where it stops; on no account should it rise
above the heart.
8-Breathe out to send it from under the heart down to the
huiyin where it divides into two to descend in the two (positive)
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yang chiao channels on the outer sides of the thighs and through
the toes of the feet before reaching the yongquan cavity (KD1
point) where it stops
9-Breathe in to raise it from the yongquan into the (negative)
yin chiao channels in the inner sides of the legs up to the huiyin
and then to the lower dantien where it stops.
10-Breathe out to lower it to the huiyin where it stops.
This is especially effective if you do seated meditation at night.
Even moreso if you can well maintain a still heart and dont
overindulge in senses. This circulation will eventually cause the
vital force to thoroughly cleanse the channels and if you are able
to produce real vitality it will vibrate through all of these
channels, cleansing and purifying them.
SonOfTheGods
Unfortunately My PPF Forum has taken up too much of
my valuable time.

This would not have been such a big deal though, had
more people participated.

A Regular Forum has Moderators, and can monitor it.

I, being the Primary contributor- is just too much work
and time.

Those regular posters who were participating, my Email
is:
Posted 19 April 2014 - 08:47 PM
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thesonofthegods @ gmail

I may periodically open This Forum, once in awhile, for
brief interludes


SonOfTheGods, on 19 Apr 2014 - 15:04, said:

everything has a natural and logical, conclusion
you are the only poster actually interacting and exgaging
w/dialogue with me- on a daily basis.
but there are hundreds of views on some threads-
many many many times more views than actual
unique posters LOL
so you and I could do this in Email
Why should I even bother?
eventually (soon) I will get bored and shut it down
we can take it to Email
I already have an Email List- Lords Of Ziran
originally, another person wanted to start a NeiGong forum-
and I mentioned to put one in his PPF (the conversation quotes
are archived somewhere around here lol)
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he went on to other places so I decided to do my own idea
although I also noted, to him, should the whole idea fail, he
could easily delete it all
the reason I knew it would fail is because, generally, people
would much rather take -without contributing back
which is cool
but I also have my limits on how much I can be taken
advantage of
especially doing it all for FREE
This is also the reason why, I will never ACTUALLY take
this forum past Beginner/Intermediate level, due to the
fact I wouldn't start giving just a couple of people
Advanced Lessons then just shut this place down- and leave
them hanging doing advanced exercises.
A few months later, some one comes strolling in here, and
reads and practices the exercises, unattended -because I
was already long gone lol
they could get injured.
Edited by SonOfTheGods, 19 April 2014 - 08:57 PM.
joeblast
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SonOfTheGods, on 19 Apr 2014 - 10:48, said:
Yes getting past the knot

the rectum, as in anal breathing- turtles do that- is also useful

in advanced, the Qi flow with Yi can take it from rectum across
to prostate

that being said- of course there are other routes to get to
prostate

but in advanced sometimes it is advisable to re-route or go
different ways

i.e., to cut cords etc

all advanced though not for you! lol -not yet- eventually
though

you're making good progress
you know where the rectum is, right? sounds like you are
conflating anus. not the same structure..
joeblast
SonOfTheGods, on 19 Apr 2014 - 10:35, said:
actually though, it could be useful both ways

Advanced practitioners- Yi can follow Qi flow, when those
points light up = rote- your intent can follow them to discover
other Tertiary minor points along the way
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Advanced cultivators who eventually explore diamond and
rainbow Immortal/etc body(s)- new longitude and latitude
meridians will envelope the evolved auric structure(s)

-all readily available to be discovered
yeah I didnt mean follow as in "come after"....yi, awareness,
always right now, there is no coming after.
SonOfTheGods
joeblast, on 20 Apr 2014 - 12:43, said:
you know where the rectum is, right? sounds like you are
conflating anus. not the same structure..
yeah I didn't want to get too DEEP in anal structure

lol

I've met many assholes in my time, so

lol
Posted 20 April 2014 - 12:46 PM
Uroboros
joeblast, on 20 Apr 2014 - 12:44, said:
yeah I didnt mean follow as in "come after"....yi, awareness,
always right now, there is no coming after.

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Ahh, I gotcha, Joe. Thanks for clarifying!

Sometimes my Qi moves and I become aware of it without Intent
to guide the Qi...Then I can use Intent to guide it through this new
way/ path.

Sometimes, just let it run its own course.
Uroboros
Is there a kind of breathing that will build/store/ cultivate the
kind of Qi required to transform the body and mind, to create a
whole body TanTien?
Posted 21 April 2014 - 04:02 PM
SonOfTheGods
Uroboros, on 21 Apr 2014 - 16:02, said:
Is there a kind of breathing that will build/store/ cultivate the
kind of Qi required to transform the body and mind, to create a
whole body TanTien?
Embryonic Breathing also known as Primordial, Umbilical &
Turtle Breathing (to some people) = stores the elixir in LDT
Edited by SonOfTheGods, 21 April 2014 - 05:48 PM.
Posted 21 April 2014 - 05:47 PM
Uroboros
SonOfTheGods, on 21 Apr 2014 - 17:47, said:
Embryonic Breathing also known as Primordial, Umbilical
& Turtle Breathing (to some people) = stores the elixir in LDT

Posted 21 April 2014 - 07:36 PM
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What is the method of Embryonic Breathing to store the elixir?

I want to store the elixir.
tendou
Where can I find good instruction on embryonic breathing?
Haven't heard about primordial, and umbilical breathing.
Read about turtle breathing in some book but don't know if it's the
same thing. The turtle breathing I read about use neck movement.
Posted 21 April 2014 - 08:48 PM
SonOfTheGods
Uroboros, on 21 Apr 2014 - 19:36, said:


What is the method of Embryonic Breathing to store the elixir?

I want to store the elixir.


Quote
Tai Hsi is the Chinese name for Taoist Embryonic Breathing.
Also known as Primordial Breathing or Umbilical Breathing,
Tai Hsi refers to the process by which a Taoist practitioner
reactivates the electro-magnetic circuitry associated with the
primordial breath that fetuses have inside of the womb. As
this happens, the physical breathing process becomes
increasingly more subtle, and then -- for periods of time --
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may cease altogether. In the same way that a fetus breathes
through the umbilical cord, the practitioner whose system has
re-membered embryonic breathing is then able to draw qi
directly from the universal matrix, i.e. the sea of energy in
which their individual bodymind floats.


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In the language of biochemistry, this process, in short, revolves
around the creation of ATP within the mitochondria - the
"power-plant" of the cells. If our bodies are functioning
according to post-natal (http://taoism.about.com/od/qi
/a/Qi_Forms.htm) principles, this cellular process is fueled
primarily through the workings of our digestive tract (Spleen
(http://taoism.about.com/od/thefiveelements
/p/Five_Element.htm) energy) in conjunction with our
respiratory system (Lung (http://taoism.about.com
/od/thefiveelements/p/Five_Element.htm) energy).
Through meditation and qigong (http://taoism.about.com
/od/glossaryoftaoistterms/g/qigong.htm) practice, however, we
can return to a pre-natal (http://taoism.about.com/od/qi
/a/Qi_Forms.htm) state, in which the "battery" of the
mitochondria is fueled electro-magnetically, i.e. directly via qi
(chi) (http://taoism.about.com/od/glossaryoftaoistterms
/g/Qi.htm) . As we consolidate our energy into the Chong
meridian (http://taoism.about.com/od/themeridiansystem
/a/eight-extras.htm) (the central channel of the yogic body),
and open the Dai meridian (http://taoism.about.com
/od/themeridiansystem/a/eight-extras.htm) , our energy bodies
flow in a pattern similar to a solenoid, providing ample energy
for this process. It is at this point that embryonic breathing --
"breathing" through the acupuncture points and meridians --
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starts to replace physical lung-breathing. We are able to draw
(breathe) life-force energy directly from the universe -- from
the space-time continuum -- into the meridian system of our
bodymind.
The Microcosmic Orbit, The Central Channel & Nondual
Awareness
When were in our mothers womb, we breathe through the
umbilical cord, and circulate life-force energy along a
continuous circuit of energy, that flows up the back of our torso
and down the front of our torso. When we leave our mothers
womb, the umbilical cord is cut, and we begin to breathe
through our mouth/nose. At the same time (or at least within
the first several years of our new life) the continuous circuit of
energy divides into two, forming the Ren and the Du meridians
(http://taoism.about.com/od/themeridiansystem/a/eight-
extras.htm) .
In the qigong practice known as the microcosmic orbit, we
reunite the Ren and Du meridians to form, once again, a single
continuous circuit -- allowing energy to flow in a way similar to
our in-the-womb state. This is just one of many polarities
(http://taoism.about.com/od/practices/ht/polarity.htm) that
are resolved, en route to consolidating our energy/awareness
within the central channel (Chong meridian). In the Hindu
yogic tradition, this same process is spoken of in terms of the
separation between the Ida (moon) and Pingala (sun)
channels; and their resolution into the Sushumna Nadi
(http://taoism.about.com/od/taoismglossarys
/g/Sushumna_Nadi.htm) .
The primordial consciousness that flows in the central channel
is the energy/awareness of nonduality. It represents the
resolving of all karmic polarities (and so a withdrawal of all
projections) -- a state of bodymind which wakes up the dormant
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circuitry of which embyonic breathing is one manifestation.

The following passages, by Nan Huai-Chin and Mantak Chia
respectively, offer additional insights into this rather mysterious
(though completely natural!) phenomenon of Embryonic
Breathing. Please note, especially, Mantak Chias point that
Embryonic Breathing is not something that we can make
happen or will to happen. Rather it simply happens by itself,
when conditions are right.
From Tao & Longevity by Nan Huai-Chin:
The dhyana teachings of Hinayana Buddhism classify the
breathing of air and the latent energy of the human body into
three ordered categories.

(1) Wind. This indicates the ordinary function of the
respiratory system and air. In other words, people depend on
breath to maintain life. This is the state of air known as
"wind."

(2) Ch'i. This indicates that after refinement through
meditation, the breath per se becomes light, easy and slow.

(3) Hsi. Through the highly advanced refinement of
meditation the breath becomes so slight that it almost stops.
At this stage the inward and outward movement of the
respiratory system ceases to function. Breathing through
other parts of the body, however, is not completely stopped. A
natural breath starts to function from the lower abdomen to
the lower Tan Tien. This is Hsi. Later, the Taoists call it Tai
Hsi (the breathing of an embryo in the womb). Some schools of
thought even believe that mind and Hsi are interdependent.

From Energy Balance Through The Tao: Exercises For
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Cultivating Yin Energy by Mantak Chia:
You might at some point experience a quite different, yin,
quality of chi experience. Maintain the relaxed, soft, slow,
steady breathing in the tan tien and function only as the
observing witness. When conditions are right and the chi is
ready, you might discover that your physical breathing has
stopped for a brief period of time. This is a very quiet, subtle
transition. The subtle, refined chi breathing in the tan tien
connects directly with the environmental cosmic chi. The tan
tien energetically functions as a chi lung. This is called inner
chi breathing or embryonic breathing, Tai Hsi.
This embronic breathing can only happen when your whole
being is suffused with calm, peace, and quiet, and is at the
same time full of chi. This experience may provide you with
some hint of the process that enables one to merge with the Wu
Chi. You cannot make this happen or will it to happen.
Embryonic breathing happens by itself, when conditions are
right.
Suggested Reading
Eight Extraordinary Meridians (http://taoism.about.com
/od/themeridiansystem/a/eight-extras.htm)
Snow Mountain: Our Energetic Root
(http://taoism.about.com/od/snowmountain
/ht/snowmountain.htm)
Tonic Gold - Alchemical Elixir - Potent Support For Qigong
& Meditation Practice (http://taoism.about.com/od/diet
/ht/TonicGold.htm)


I originally planned on doing a Thread on Reverse Breathing-
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then, depending on how well the thread turned out- start
dwelling deeper into Turtle Breathing.

However, the Forum didn't turn out well, ONLY because
there are more lurkers than contributors.

So the Turtle Breathing I recommend to all those lurkers
is:

Anal Breathing

Because - Turtles breathe through their Ass


haha



Quote

Turtles can breathe through their butt.
http://seriousfacts....ugh-their-butt/ (http://seriousfacts.com
/turtles-can-breathe-through-their-butt/)

A few species such as the Fitzroy River turtle can pull this one.
By breathe it means actual breathing, taking in air into the
body, as opposed to taking it out (farting), which perhaps also
features since breathing has to be two-way. This area is still yet
to be well researched on.

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Edited by SonOfTheGods, 21 April 2014 - 08:59 PM.
SonOfTheGods
tendou, on 21 Apr 2014 - 20:48, said:
Where can I find good instruction on embryonic breathing?
Haven't heard about primordial, and umbilical breathing.
Read about turtle breathing in some book but don't know if it's
the same thing. The turtle breathing I read about use neck
movement.
Posted 21 April 2014 - 08:58 PM
Uroboros
SonOfTheGods, on 21 Apr 2014 - 20:56, said:



Posted 21 April 2014 - 09:11 PM
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I originally planned on doing a Thread on Reverse
Breathing- then, depending on how well the thread turned
out- start dwelling deeper into Turtle Breathing.

However, the Forum didn't turn out well, ONLY
because there are more lurkers than contributors.

So the Turtle Breathing I recommend to all those
lurkers is:

Anal Breathing

Because - Turtles breathe through their Ass


haha




Are you saying that the method of Embryonic Breathing is a step
after the MCO is fully open and the breath is long, deep and
subtle?

Also, turtle breathing... Would that be squeeze on inhale or
exhale? Such as, HuiYin/ Anus squeeze + inhale- Release +exhale

The difficulty I have with reverse breathing is how much tension
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to use...

Is just enough to feel pressure adequate?
Edited by Uroboros, 21 April 2014 - 10:10 PM.
joeblast
The YMAA EB book is excellent, highly recommended. Its the first
thing you do once you can settle your mind, basically.

Reverse breathing, learn by not including the front of the
abdomen. Get the internal mechanics down first. Then bring in
the front.

Long deep and subtle becomes longer deeper even more subtle
when you stop moving air passageways. You wouldnt get much
power out of the car if the cylinder walls moved around...well,
maybe you would, but it would be a timing nightmare
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NeiGong NeiGong,,
tendou
Do you breath like this or nearly like this all the time Joe? Then
you won't smell anything?
Posted 22 April 2014 - 08:07 AM
joeblast
entrench the protocol deeply enough and it carries forth into all
aspects of life.

yeah, I've saved myself from smelling a few bad ones over the
years from doing that but usually I dont notice that I'm
"missing out on a given smell."

that said, in meditation...smells come and go like crazy, plenty
often I'll have a dozen come visit me in a session. anything from
flowers to grass to an old girlfriend's shampoo, leather,
jasmine...even the smell of whatever I may need to eliminate from
the body...(no not crap, more like when I had inhaled some junk
and sawdust, in meditation I practically puked out the scent of the
lung's reaction...)
Edited by joeblast, 22 April 2014 - 08:50 AM.
Posted 22 April 2014 - 08:46 AM
SonOfTheGods
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Uroboros, on 21 Apr 2014 - 21:11, said:
Are you saying that the method of Embryonic Breathing is a
step after the MCO is fully open and the breath is long, deep and
subtle?

Also, turtle breathing... Would that be squeeze on inhale or
exhale? Such as, HuiYin/ Anus squeeze + inhale- Release
+exhale

The difficulty I have with reverse breathing is how much tension
to use...

Is just enough to feel pressure adequate?

Personally I squeeze the floor on exhale
But that's just me

joeblast, on 22 Apr 2014 - 06:30, said:
The YMAA EB book is excellent, highly recommended. Its the
first thing you do once you can settle your mind, basically.

Reverse breathing, learn by not including the front of the
abdomen. Get the internal mechanics down first. Then bring in
the front.

Long deep and subtle becomes longer deeper even more subtle
when you stop moving air passageways. You wouldnt get much
power out of the car if the cylinder walls moved around...well,
maybe you would, but it would be a timing nightmare
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Edited by SonOfTheGods, 22 April 2014 - 11:19 AM.
joeblast
hehe, I dont go around sweeping my footprints from the sand
Posted 22 April 2014 - 11:24 AM
Uroboros
SonOfTheGods, on 22 Apr 2014 - 11:17, said:

Personally I squeeze the floor on exhale
But that's just me


If I squeeze the floor in inhale, it seems to automatically pull the
stomach in, reverse style. Relax floor on exhale, pushes stomach
out a bit.
Posted 22 April 2014 - 11:26 AM
joeblast
depends on what one's doing...

meditation I am usually doing natural. standing, reverse, esp
horse stance. and mco, well, it depends what phase
Posted 22 April 2014 - 11:32 AM
Uroboros
I was thinking about this and thought you all might enjoy talking
about it.
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A main goal of internal cultivation is merging Fire and Water.

I realized that ShaoYin is Heart (fire) and Kidney (water)....Both
the same channel.

Im not sure what this means, if it is even the same kind of fire and
water as in NeiDan.

What do you all think?
Captain Mar-Vell
...
Quote
What do you all think?

It sounds most profound to me.

Thank you.

xxx.
...
Edited by Captain Mar-Vell, 26 April 2014 - 09:26 AM.
Posted 26 April 2014 - 09:26 AM
Uroboros
Today I was experimenting with a possible solution to a problem I
have.

At times my heart feels full and there is pressure on my chest/
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heart / chakra region. When this reaches a certain level, I feel
anxious and manic, ungrounded and scattered. Easily flustered,
emotionally unstable.

I was practicing some Medical QiGong and the method I was
doing drained the Heart Fire through the Heart Channel...

So, I thought why could I not do that any time? Just use my Yi to
drain the sensations in the Heart through the drain pipe of the
Channel..

Well, it works. I brought the sensation into the channel and out
the Jing Well cavity for Heart. After a short bit, the sensations in
my chest lessened, I felt more grounded and stable. Then, I started
to feel sticky thicker water moving through the Heart Channels in
my arms from my chest and out the Jing Well cavity.

I then experimented with the Small Intestine Channel. Started
from the end in the jaw, where I have tension and the cavity there
hurts a good bit when pressed. Then, drained from there to Jing
Well Cavity and out. Eased the tension, pain and fullness within
no time!

I had a headache, manifesting in stagnation in the Triple Warmer
+ Small Intestine mainly. So, I drained those two and my
headache went away.

Thought you all might enjoy this bit of internal trickery!
Andrei
Uroboros, i told you already, you are doing the neidan wrong! i am
sorry to be so blunt but this is the truth. Firstly the energy should
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be circulated in the 5 organs before everything else to accustom
the organs with the energy. The energy is not recommended to
circulate through meridians, because some of them may be
blocked. Before circulating through meridians they should be
opened. The best way to open meridians is stretching, i.e. Yi jin
jing - tendon practice. Now in spring is the best season for tendon
stretching. In summer the meridians will be opened. Normally a
practice should be scheduled to be done at least 100 days i.e. 3
months i.e. One season. So you did MCO and opened the CV and
GV, it is very good, but now you should stop and do other
practices like the one i suggested here. Just keep the energy in the
dantian warm but do not circulate in MCO with the mind. if it is
opened it will flow by itself. To solve the issues with energy
stagnation in heart or liver or head, i suggest you do the 5
elements meditation. Start with urinary bladder and circulate
energy from bladder to liver. The moist energy from bladder will
wash the liver. Then from liver pass the energy to heart. The
excess wood from liver will burn in the heart fire. Then the excess
fire from heart give it to spleen. Spleen likes the heat and dryiness.
Stomach like the heat and moisture. The excess of moisture from
liver will go to stomach and the excess of heat from heart will go to
spleen. Then from spleen move the dry energy to colon/lung -
metal point on the left side of the belly button. The colon will melt
the metal and will supply the sex organs with water in the kidney
points, a little below, and from there the water energy is moved to
the bladder. This circuit is circulating energy through 8 points
around belly button, each point corresponding to the 5 elements in
organs. You have the map of the points and organs posted a couple
of days ago, but you have to understand that if you don't balance
the yin-yang energy in the organs, the dantian will be unbalanced.
You need to circulate the heat from the heart through the left side
down and the coolness of water from kidneys and sex through the
right side up, cooling liver. If you heat the liver and the prostate
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with yang energy too much this is wrong is exactly the opposite
what is supposed to be. A heated liver will give excessive yang
energy to gall bladder that will allways give insomnia and
headaches through gall bladder meridian that goes up to the head.
I suggest you try this meditation for 1 month and see what is
hapening, and if everything goes ok you should keep doing it for
100 days. Charles luk made a confusion in his book, this is the
falun rotation, not the MCO. Falun rotation which is the taichi
simbol rotation on the abdomen is a totally different meditation
than MCO. As i said earlier MCO should be done after the energy
pearl in dantian is cristalized and balanced by the energy of the 5
organs/elements. I hope any beginner interested in neidan is
reading this and take it to heart.
Andrei
The rotation of energy in the abdomen will create this flow of heat
from heart downward and coolness of water upward. This if Kan
and LI fusion, they meet at the middle in the dantian and begin to
vibrate. As i said already the feeling should be simultaneously
warm and cool and a pleasant vibration should spread through the
body, organs and meridians. This the steam that is the result of
Kan and LI interaction. After you obtain the steam sensation you
do another meditation, which is the 8 extraordinary meridians
meditation, which can be done seated or standing in zhan zhuang.
Also Kan and LI can be obtained through Kunlun, because Kunlun
is esentially sending the kidney and bladder energy up and heart
energy down , which in my opinion and experience is the fastest
Kan and Li fusion ever, the only problem with kunlun is that if you
have an imbalance in the organs that imbalance will be
exacerbated, and it will take a long time until the imbalance will be
cleared maybe a couple of years. Kunlun is quick quick path it will
show you very quick what is your problem , where is your organs
with blockages, and is not so safe because it does not deal with
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liver and spleen and can create an imbalance on one side of the
body depending on your personal predisposition. As a safety exit
it has the 5 elements Maoshan practice, but in my opinion and
experience the 5 elements energy rotation is safer, even if it is
slower.
Edited by Andrei, 27 April 2014 - 12:03 AM.
Uroboros
Andrei, on 26 Apr 2014 - 23:36, said:
Uroboros, i told you already, you are doing the neidan wrong! i
am sorry to be so blunt but this is the truth. Firstly the energy
should be circulated in the 5 organs before everything else to
accustom the organs with the energy. The energy is not
recommended to circulate through meridians, because some of
them may be blocked. Before circulating through meridians they
should be opened. The best way to open meridians is stretching,
i.e. Yi jin jing - tendon practice. Now in spring is the best season
for tendon stretching. In summer the meridians will be opened.
Normally a practice should be scheduled to be done at least 100
days i.e. 3 months i.e. One season. So you did MCO and opened
the CV and GV, it is very good, but now you should stop and do
other practices like the one i suggested here. Just keep the
energy in the dantian warm but do not circulate in MCO with
the mind. if it is opened it will flow by itself. To solve the issues
with energy stagnation in heart or liver or head, i suggest you do
the 5 elements meditation. Start with urinary bladder and
circulate energy from bladder to liver. The moist energy from
bladder will wash the liver. Then from liver pass the energy to
heart. The excess wood from liver will burn in the heart fire.
Then the excess fire from heart give it to spleen. Spleen likes the
heat and dryiness. Stomach like the heat and moisture. The
excess of moisture from liver will go to stomach and the excess
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of heat from heart will go to spleen. Then from spleen move the
dry energy to colon/lung - metal point on the left side of the
belly button. The colon will melt the metal and will supply the
sex organs with water in the kidney points, a little below, and
from there the water energy is moved to the bladder. This
circuit is circulating energy through 8 points around belly
button, each point corresponding to the 5 elements in organs.
You have the map of the points and organs posted a couple of
days ago, but you have to understand that if you don't balance
the yin-yang energy in the organs, the dantian will be
unbalanced. You need to circulate the heat from the heart
through the left side down and the coolness of water from
kidneys and sex through the right side up, cooling liver. If you
heat the liver and the prostate with yang energy too much this is
wrong is exactly the opposite what is supposed to be. A heated
liver will give excessive yang energy to gall bladder that will
allways give insomnia and headaches through gall bladder
meridian that goes up to the head. I suggest you try this
meditation for 1 month and see what is hapening, and if
everything goes ok you should keep doing it for 100 days.
Charles luk made a confusion in his book, this is the falun
rotation, not the MCO. Falun rotation which is the taichi simbol
rotation on the abdomen is a totally different meditation than
MCO. As i said earlier MCO should be done after the energy
pearl in dantian is cristalized and balanced by the energy of the
5 organs/elements. I hope any beginner interested in neidan is
reading this and take it to heart.

Can you clarify for me how to do the meditation, Andrei?

I prefer your blunt honesty in your opinions. Yes, I could very well
be making mistakes/ doing things incorrectly! I accept that
possibility always.
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I do see the reasons as to why you are saying its important.

Are you saying that I need to circulate my Qi around my navel,
starting from bottom right, up to top right, then over to top left,
down to bottom left then over to bottom right?

Also, is the area to circulate right around the navel or farther out
from the navel into the abdomen?

In doing so, the blending of the 5 Elements will be balanced?

Thanks!
Edited by Uroboros, 27 April 2014 - 12:59 AM.
Uroboros
I took the chart you posted in -how to cut LDT cords- and used the
one that corresponds to what you are saying.

The Water is at base of belly button, metal at left, liver at upper
right, heart at top middle, spleen at top left, small fire at bottom
left.

I then circulated around my navel starting at bottom water and I
did indeed feel coolness from bottom up to liver quadrant then
heat from fire to water.

Am I doing it correctly?
Posted 27 April 2014 - 01:05 AM
SonOfTheGods
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Uroboros, on 27 Apr 2014 - 00:43, said:
Can you clarify for me how to do the meditation, Andrei?

I prefer your blunt honesty in your opinions. Yes, I could very
well be making mistakes/ doing things incorrectly! I accept that
possibility always.

I do see the reasons as to why you are saying its important.

Are you saying that I need to circulate my Qi around my navel,
starting from bottom right, up to top right, then over to top left,
down to bottom left then over to bottom right?

Also, is the area to circulate right around the navel or farther out
from the navel into the abdomen?

In doing so, the blending of the 5 Elements will be balanced?

Thanks!

Finding your acupuncture points, you can massage them,
following the corresponding meridians- according to your
problems
SonOfTheGods
Uroboros, on 27 Apr 2014 - 01:05, said:
I took the chart you posted in -how to cut LDT cords- and used
the one that corresponds to what you are saying.

The Water is at base of belly button, metal at left, liver at upper
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right, heart at top middle, spleen at top left, small fire at bottom
left.

I then circulated around my navel starting at bottom water and I
did indeed feel coolness from bottom up to liver quadrant then
heat from fire to water.

Am I doing it correctly?

Mantak Chia: there are actually several warnings about
him on TaoBums- & the forum owner Trunk also has a
warning posted about Mantak Chia.

This is not to discredit or demean Andei's posts

I just caution people about playing around and
experimenting with their Organs.

Doing a correct MCO, and Reverse MCO will
automatically balance everything.

If you start bypassing meridians, re-routing energy
flow, etc- it could go all bad unless you know what you
are doing.

If I was your teacher in real time/off forum, Uroboros
I could help you with acupuncture etc

Just on a forum I would advise you to be cautious.

Experimenting on your Liver Spleen Lungs Heart etc,
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can turn into a deadly experience down the road

That is what Dim Mak is
malikshreds
Uroboros, on 27 Apr 2014 - 00:43, said:
Can you clarify for me how to do the meditation, Andrei?

I prefer your blunt honesty in your opinions. Yes, I could very
well be making mistakes/ doing things incorrectly! I accept that
possibility always.

I do see the reasons as to why you are saying its important.

Are you saying that I need to circulate my Qi around my navel,
starting from bottom right, up to top right, then over to top left,
down to bottom left then over to bottom right?

Also, is the area to circulate right around the navel or farther out
from the navel into the abdomen?

In doing so, the blending of the 5 Elements will be balanced?

Thanks!
Basically study the 5 elements. Look at your lifestyle and say am I
acting too watery, too wood, too fiery. Fix that. Check the emotions
of the organs too and see what foods correspond with them.

As for practice, try just doing breathing. Breathing into your lower
dan tian then breath into your organs. Bruce Frantzis talks about
this in his cd on Breathing. He has it step by step in one of his
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exclusively on breathing and make it very specific. Then talk about
exclusively about the elements.
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NeiGong NeiGong,,
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Also check out the Element Correspondances on my McGong
Thread
Posted 27 April 2014 - 11:21 AM
Uroboros
I did try what Andrei was seeming to recommend.

I did feel the cool rising and the heat sinking....There was also a
ton of abdomen tension and heat pouring out of my upper body.

Not very comfortable.

I do not know if I was doing it right or if its even good to do.


SonOfTheGods, on 27 Apr 2014 - 10:16, said:
Finding your acupuncture points, you can massage them,
following the corresponding meridians- according to your
problems

I do this near daily. I turn over my cavities often, massage along
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each channel.


SonOfTheGods, on 27 Apr 2014 - 10:24, said:
Mantak Chia: there are actually several warnings about
him on TaoBums- & the forum owner Trunk also has a
warning posted about Mantak Chia.

This is not to discredit or demean Andei's posts

I just caution people about playing around and
experimenting with their Organs.

Doing a correct MCO, and Reverse MCO will
automatically balance everything.

If you start bypassing meridians, re-routing energy
flow, etc- it could go all bad unless you know what
you are doing.

If I was your teacher in real time/off forum,
Uroboros I could help you with acupuncture etc

Just on a forum I would advise you to be cautious.

Experimenting on your Liver Spleen Lungs Heart
etc, can turn into a deadly experience down the road

That is what Dim Mak is

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I have read the cautions of mantak chia...I think he has some good
information. Some of it, heck, allot of it is advanced and is easy to
mess up...I do not think books/ dvds are the way to learn them.

If I am moving my Qi through the Ren and Du Vessels, is that not
all there is to a correct MCO?
Uroboros
malikshreds, on 27 Apr 2014 - 10:41, said:
Basically study the 5 elements. Look at your lifestyle and say am
I acting too watery, too wood, too fiery. Fix that. Check the
emotions of the organs too and see what foods correspond with
them.

As for practice, try just doing breathing. Breathing into your
lower dan tian then breath into your organs. Bruce Frantzis
talks about this in his cd on Breathing. He has it step by step in
one of his books too. I think what he should've done was make
one book exclusively on breathing and make it very specific.
Then talk about exclusively about the elements.

Ahh, great advice, Malikshreds!

I forget the breath, at times...How potent and powerful it is.

I am looking at BKF's breathing cds again, seeing where I can
glean a nugget of goodness from.

I agree, a book exclusively about breathing would have been
beneficial.
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SonOfTheGods
The MCO, is performed with or without Yi-- that is, your body
does it naturally

But, by performing it with Yi, it strengthens it

The energy flows along major and minor meridians, vessels,
organs, nadis in and OUT of your body

That is why I caution people to leave what is not understood-
alone.

That is also why it is not a good idea to just pile energy into the
LDT, and not allow it circulate to the millions of other routes

If you do the MCO, and Pore Breathe daily- all will be
well.

Now, if you have any illness, and that needs extra care-then, it is
different

But for general health maintenance, do as we were speaking about

Uroboros, on 27 Apr 2014 - 11:38, said:
I did try what Andrei was seeming to recommend.

I did feel the cool rising and the heat sinking....There was also a
ton of abdomen tension and heat pouring out of my upper
body.

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Not very comfortable.

I do not know if I was doing it right or if its even good to do.



I do this near daily. I turn over my cavities often, massage along
each channel.



I have read the cautions of mantak chia...I think he has some
good information. Some of it, heck, allot of it is advanced and is
easy to mess up...I do not think books/ dvds are the way to learn
them.

If I am moving my Qi through the Ren and Du Vessels, is that
not all there is to a correct MCO?
SonOfTheGods
Also, work the Kua points

hips and arm pits
Posted 27 April 2014 - 11:52 AM
Uroboros
SonOfTheGods, on 27 Apr 2014 - 11:51, said:
The MCO, is performed with or without Yi-- that is, your body
does it naturally

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But, by performing it with Yi, it strengthens it

The energy flows along major and minor meridians, vessels,
organs, nadis in and OUT of your body

That is why I caution people to leave what is not understood-
alone.

That is also why it is not a good idea to just pile energy into the
LDT, and not allow it circulate to the millions of other routes

If you do the MCO, and Pore Breathe daily- all will be
well.

Now, if you have any illness, and that needs extra care-then, it
is different

But for general health maintenance, do as we were speaking
about

Ok! I gotcha. One uses Yi, another is automatic. Yi strengthens the
flow.

Pore Breathing being through Laogung, Yongquen, Baihui,
HuiYin?
Uroboros
SonOfTheGods, on 27 Apr 2014 - 11:52, said:
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Also, work the Kua points

hips and arm pits

Massage them or use Yi to guide some Qi there?
SonOfTheGods
Uroboros, on 27 Apr 2014 - 11:54, said:
Massage them or use Yi to guide some Qi there?
Both.
Posted 27 April 2014 - 11:55 AM
Uroboros
SonOfTheGods, on 27 Apr 2014 - 11:55, said:
Both.

Gotcha, SOTG.

Thanks for the help!

Should I keep doing Reverse MCO to help cool my heart/
flusteredness?

Again today I feel a bit manic..hard to focus.

I would prefer to go about utilizing this for growth, not just
purging.
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SonOfTheGods
Uroboros, on 27 Apr 2014 - 11:54, said:
Ok! I gotcha. One uses Yi, another is automatic. Yi strengthens
the flow.

Pore Breathing being through Laogung, Yongquen, Baihui,
HuiYin?


Pore Breathing: ADVANCED.......In Your Email

INTERMEDIATE & ADVANCED & SUPER ADVANCED
TECHNIQUES WILL NOT BE POSTED ON THIS FORUM

Posted 27 April 2014 - 11:59 AM
SonOfTheGods
Uroboros, on 27 Apr 2014 - 11:57, said:
Gotcha, SOTG.

Thanks for the help!

Should I keep doing Reverse MCO to help cool my heart/
flusteredness?
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Again today I feel a bit manic..hard to focus.

I would prefer to go about utilizing this for growth, not just
purging.
Keep doing Reverse MCO - it also preps @ "cord cuts"
Captain Mar-Vell
...
I'll stay in touch.

I'm really sorry if I wasn't much help, at the end of the day.

Sorry, man.

xxx.
...
Posted 27 April 2014 - 12:05 PM
SonOfTheGods
Captain Mar-Vell, on 27 Apr 2014 - 12:05, said:
...
I'll stay in touch.

I'm really sorry if I wasn't much help, at the end of the day.

Sorry, man.

xxx.
...
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you did great

much respect

you're here and contribute to the positive energy side of
the forum
Uroboros
SonOfTheGods, on 27 Apr 2014 - 11:59, said:
Pore Breathing: ADVANCED.......In Your Email

INTERMEDIATE & ADVANCED & SUPER ADVANCED
TECHNIQUES WILL NOT BE POSTED ON THIS
FORUM


Thanks, SOTG!

I shall check that puppy out once it births!

SonOfTheGods, on 27 Apr 2014 - 12:01, said:
Keep doing Reverse MCO - it also preps @ "cord cuts"

I shall keep doing it. I will keep in touch through email with you.
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Uroboros
Captain Mar-Vell, on 27 Apr 2014 - 12:05, said:
...
I'll stay in touch.

I'm really sorry if I wasn't much help, at the end of the day.

Sorry, man.

xxx.
...

You were helpful and enjoyable. Both are needed.

Stay active, keep in touch, bring the plain jane pleasurable pain!
Posted 27 April 2014 - 12:10 PM
Andrei
Uroboros, on 27 Apr 2014 - 01:05, said:
I took the chart you posted in -how to cut LDT cords- and used
the one that corresponds to what you are saying.

The Water is at base of belly button, metal at left, liver at upper
right, heart at top middle, spleen at top left, small fire at bottom
left.

I then circulated around my navel starting at bottom water and I
did indeed feel coolness from bottom up to liver quadrant then
heat from fire to water.

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Am I doing it correctly?
Yes this is correct.
I will reproduce here excerpts from the WLP book first chapter :
Regulate the posture. Sit on the floor and straighten spine, neck
and head.
Remain cross legged on the floor; you can stretch or move your
upper body, not your legs.
Ensure that lips together and teeth are each touching, with tip of
the tongue remaining on the soft palate and behind the front teeth.
Holding the above position, cross legs as character as fetal
position and relax the mind.
Match Mother Nature's five elements and space of four directions
that are the mirror of different human organs.
As the human body came from earth, the natural rhythm of the
earth will serve to modify organs in the body.
The Heart fire character acting as the sun will go down to warm
the Kidney water character embodied by the ocean.
Within human body, South representing Heart fire and Kidney
water in the North of the natural world communicate with each
other to achieve balance between the upper and lower.
The liver is embodied by the trees of nature and represented by
the wood character and the direction East,
The lungs are represented by the metal character and the direction
West.
Together the Liver and the Lungs form a middle bridge of
communication assisteng in the regulation of the upper Heart Fire
andlower Kidney water. The spleen is represented as earth
character and is in the middle.
keep the body and extremities still and relaxed so that spleen Qi
does not leak.
The spleen will serve as the axis on which the harmonization of
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the left, right, and up and down movements occur.
...
Eyes are closed and looking within, the eyes are the window to the
liver, the Hun of decision making, the Liver spirit resides in the
Liver.
The Kidney's opening ear listens within the body, uhe Zhi of
confidence, the Kidney spirit resides in the Kidney.
As the nose does not smell outside, the Lung opening nose smells
within the body, the Po of courage, tle Lung spirit resides in the
Lung.
Silence, the tongue is not moving and the Heart becomes calm,
Heart, in which the Shen of spirit, the heart spirit resides.
As the body and its extremiies are not moving that is their
connection to the spleen is made, where Yi of intention, the Spleen
spirit resides.
The Heart spirit, the Shen of activity, the Kidney spirit, the Zhi of
confidence, Liver spirit, the Hun ofdecision, Lung spirit, the Po of
courage, and Spleen spirit, the Yi of intention all combine and
harmonize within the body.
The Qi starts to move the five organ elements: urinary bladder
water nourishes Liver wood, Liver wood nourishes Heart fire,
Heart fire supports the Spleen and Stomach earth, Spleen and
Stomach earth create metal Lung, and metal Lung turns into
Kidney water, Kidney water moves back down to Urinary Bladder.
This state is similar to what happened at the tginning of Mother
Nature; and similar to the Qi moment when life began. At this
point, you reproduce the original state of being to heal yourself.
P.19-21
...
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After the Qi and spirit move through the five organs, the essences
generated from the five organs are ready to journey to the Lower
Dantian to make a Jin Dan (goden pill) p.24
Etc.
Closed quote.
This is the same technique as Mantak Chia, except that MC wrote
an entire book only for this meditation, while WLP has only some
paragraphs spread throughout his book.
The issues with Mantak Chias books is that everyone who read his
books and practiced after them, went into a cul de sac because he
didn't said the order of meditations. Only people who were
instructed at his courses were aware of the meditations sequence.
The first book MC ever wrote was the multiorgasmic man who
contains the so called multimillion dolar poifu technique, which is
a bullshit and caused thousands of people who practiced after the
book, sexual health problems. Michael Winn who coauthored that
book, recognized the mistake of publishing "that" technique which
created so many problems. Another thing is that MC published
mirocosmic orbit way before any other meditation, so everybody is
thinking this is it, the core of alchemical taoist practices, which is
correct but they neglect the other practices which are essential.
Just as a note MC is the exponent of the southern sect of Complete
Reality school, while WLP is the exponent of the northern sect.
The techiques are the same, they differ in some details, the biggest
difference is in the sexual practices that are not emphasized in the
northern sect, even WLP is married and is having a normal sex life
(allegedly) he does not teach sexual techniques.
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The 5 elements meditation in my opinion is much more important
than MCO, because without it the energy body is imbalanced.
According to MC, first and foremost a BaZi reading is necessary to
establish the natal energy chart. The BaZi reading can determine
your particular situation, which organs are overactive and which
are underactive. This means that you can have an organ too Yang
and other organs too Yin. Everyone's configuration is different and
unique, is a combination of the energies at birth, between the Sun,
Moon and Earth cycles ( year, month, day, hour and location of
birth). Also BaZi reading can tell you how the energies will change
during your life, in each year and each decade, so that you can
know which are the auspicious time periods in your life and which
periods will provide hardness. For example this year2014 is Wood
Horse, and the energy of the year is Wood Yang which means
everything related to wood like liver will be overactive. Also if you
add that now we are in Spring and normally now the wood
element is expanding, I have not a single doubt that all the
troubles peoples have with kundalini awakening and headaches
and insomnia caused by meditation are because of the Wood
element overactive. My advice for everybody with wood energy
problems, cool it down especially this year, drink lots of green tea
(i myself like to add goji berries which also supports liver
function) and take care of all 5 elements keeping them in balance.
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NeiGong NeiGong,,
malikshreds
Andrei, on 27 Apr 2014 - 12:25, said:
Yes this is correct. I will reproduce here excerpts from the WLP
book first chapter : Regulate the posture. Sit on the floor and
straighten spine, neck and head. Remain cross legged on the
floor; you can stretch or move your upper body, not your legs.
Ensure that lips together and teeth are each touching, with tip of
the tongue remaining on the soft palate and behind the front
teeth. Holding the above position, cross legs as character as fetal
position and relax the mind. Match Mother Nature's five
elements and space of four directions that are the mirror of
different human organs. As the human body came from earth,
the natural rhythm of the earth will serve to modify organs in
the body. The Heart fire character acting as the sun will go down
to warm the Kidney water character embodied by the ocean.
Within human body, South representing Heart fire and Kidney
water in the North of the natural world communicate with each
other to achieve balance between the upper and lower. The liver
is embodied by the trees of nature and represented by the wood
character and the direction East, The lungs are represented by
the metal character and the direction West. Together the Liver
and the Lungs form a middle bridge of communication
assisteng in the regulation of the upper Heart Fire andlower
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Kidney water. The spleen is represented as earth character and
is in the middle. keep the body and extremities still and relaxed
so that spleen Qi does not leak. The spleen will serve as the axis
on which the harmonization of the left, right, and up and down
movements occur. ... Eyes are closed and looking within, the
eyes are the window to the liver, the Hun of decision making,
the Liver spirit resides in the Liver. The Kidney's opening ear
listens within the body, uhe Zhi of confidence, the Kidney spirit
resides in the Kidney. As the nose does not smell outside, the
Lung opening nose smells within the body, the Po of courage, tle
Lung spirit resides in the Lung. Silence, the tongue is not
moving and the Heart becomes calm, Heart, in which the Shen
of spirit, the heart spirit resides. As the body and its extremiies
are not moving that is their connection to the spleen is made,
where Yi of intention, the Spleen spirit resides. The Heart spirit,
the Shen of activity, the Kidney spirit, the Zhi of confidence,
Liver spirit, the Hun ofdecision, Lung spirit, the Po of courage,
and Spleen spirit, the Yi of intention all combine and harmonize
within the body. The Qi starts to move the five organ elements:
urinary bladder water nourishes Liver wood, Liver wood
nourishes Heart fire, Heart fire supports the Spleen and
Stomach earth, Spleen and Stomach earth create metal Lung,
and metal Lung turns into Kidney water, Kidney water moves
back down to Urinary Bladder. This state is similar to what
happened at the tginning of Mother Nature; and similar to the
Qi moment when life began. At this point, you reproduce the
original state of being to heal yourself. P.19-21 ... After the Qi
and spirit move through the five organs, the essences generated
from the five organs are ready to journey to the Lower Dantian
to make a Jin Dan (goden pill) p.24 Etc. Closed quote. This is
the same technique as Mantak Chia, except that MC wrote an
entire book only for this meditation, while WLP has only some
paragraphs spread throughout his book. The issues with
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Mantak Chias books is that everyone who read his books and
practiced after them, went into a cul de sac because he didn't
said the order of meditations. Only people who were instructed
at his courses were aware of the meditations sequence. The first
book MC ever wrote was the multiorgasmic man who contains
the so called multimillion dolar poifu technique, which is a
bullshit and caused thousands of people who practiced after the
book, sexual health problems. Michael Winn who coauthored
that book, recognized the mistake of publishing "that" technique
which created so many problems. Another thing is that MC
published mirocosmic orbit way before any other meditation, so
everybody is thinking this is it, the core of alchemical taoist
practices, which is correct but they neglect the other practices
which are essential. Just as a note MC is the exponent of the
southern sect of Complete Reality school, while WLP is the
exponent of the northern sect. The techiques are the same, they
differ in some details, the biggest difference is in the sexual
practices that are not emphasized in the northern sect, even
WLP is married and is having a normal sex life (allegedly) he
does not teach sexual techniques. The 5 elements meditation in
my opinion is much more important than MCO, because
without it the energy body is imbalanced. According to MC, first
and foremost a BaZi reading is necessary to establish the natal
energy chart. The BaZi reading can determine your particular
situation, which organs are overactive and which are
underactive. This means that you can have an organ too Yang
and other organs too Yin. Everyone's configuration is different
and unique, is a combination of the energies at birth, between
the Sun, Moon and Earth cycles ( year, month, day, hour and
location of birth). Also BaZi reading can tell you how the
energies will change during your life, in each year and each
decade, so that you can know which are the auspicious time
periods in your life and which periods will provide hardness.
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For example this year2014 is Wood Horse, and the energy of the
year is Wood Yang which means everything related to wood like
liver will be overactive. Also if you add that now we are in
Spring and normally now the wood element is expanding, I have
not a single doubt that all the troubles peoples have with
kundalini awakening and headaches and insomnia caused by
meditation are because of the Wood element overactive. My
advice for everybody with wood energy problems, cool it down
especially this year, drink lots of green tea (i myself like to add
goji berries which also supports liver function) and take care of
all 5 elements keeping them in balance.
Funny I just came from drinking a green juice. Of course, I'm
careful with the type of plants. I only use dandelion greens,
romaine lettuce, and collard greens. The other plants if used a lot
cause a lot of problems because of oxytoxin. I grew up eating a lot
of spinach and it takes away calcium from the bones. No one
needs that.
SonOfTheGods
malikshreds, on 27 Apr 2014 - 12:39, said:
Funny I just came from drinking a green juice. Of course, I'm
careful with the type of plants. I only use dandelion greens,
romaine lettuce, and collard greens. The other plants if used a
lot cause a lot of problems because of oxytoxin. I grew up
eating a lot of spinach and it takes away calcium from the
bones. No one needs that.
oxytocin?
If not, I am very interested because I drink it as well

wheat grass, etc
Posted 27 April 2014 - 12:42 PM
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Andrei
malikshreds, on 27 Apr 2014 - 12:39, said:
Funny I just came from drinking a green juice. Of course, I'm
careful with the type of plants. I only use dandelion greens,
romaine lettuce, and collard greens. The other plants if used a
lot cause a lot of problems because of oxytoxin. I grew up eating
a lot of spinach and it takes away calcium from the bones. No
one needs that.
I knew that on the contrary, the dark greens improve calcium
metabolism, especially kale, broccoli and spinach they add bone
mass and are recommended for people with osteoporosis . Maybe
you were missing something else from your diet.
Edited by Andrei, 27 April 2014 - 12:44 PM.
Posted 27 April 2014 - 12:43 PM
SonOfTheGods
Andrei, on 27 Apr 2014 - 12:43, said:
I knew that on the contrary, the dark greens improve calcium
metabolism, especially kale, broccoli and spinach they add
bone mass and are recommended for people with osteoporosis .
Maybe you were missing something else from your diet.

Quote
Quote
A pearl is a hard object produced within the soft tissue
(specifically the mantle) of a living shelled mollusc. Just like the
shell of a clam, a pearl is made up of calcium carbonate in
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minute crystalline form, which has been deposited in concentric
layers.
http://thetaobums.co...-owners-manual/ (http://thetaobums.com
/topic/34652-ldt-owners-manual/)

SonOfTheGods, on 27 Apr 2014 - 11:02, said:
The Ancients referred to the Lower Tan Tien as a Pearl
Why would the Lower Tan Tien be referred to as a
Pearl?
A solid Crystalline structure/object, compressed in
layers, formed inside soft tissue, inside another living
& solid organic body.
That is My Definition
If you open up a Mollusc, you see a slippery shiny moist
substance.
That is where you find the pearl
Think about this, Meditate about this.
This is how the Lower Tan Tien is born
There also Natural and Cultured Pearl
One is real and grown over time, and the other is manufactured-
Imitation

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Andrei
I know about that the tibetans who achieve rainbow body leave
behind some small pebbles which are actually calcium carbonate
from their belly produced during cultivation exactly like oysters
pearls. There is something here, but i personally believe that the
"pearl" in the dantian from taoists texts is a metaphor for the light
you see behind the eyes during meditation, which is like a white
pearl. But this is only a stage in the taoist cultivation, maybe in
time the pearl becomes more physical.
Posted 27 April 2014 - 01:06 PM
SonOfTheGods
Andrei, on 27 Apr 2014 - 13:06, said:
I know about that the tibetans who achieve rainbow body
leave behind some small pebbles which are actually calcium
carbonate from their belly produced during cultivation exactly
like oysters pearls. There is something here, but i personally
believe that the "pearl" in the dantian from taoists texts is a
metaphor for the light you see behind the eyes during
meditation, which is like a white pearl. But this is only a stage in
the taoist cultivation, maybe in time the pearl becomes more
physical.

I agree- it is metaphor and also literal

like the tan tien itself

it is a spiritual essence that resides in a physical cavity

like truth behind the legend
Posted 27 April 2014 - 01:14 PM
malikshreds
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Andrei, on 27 Apr 2014 - 12:43, said:
I knew that on the contrary, the dark greens improve calcium
metabolism, especially kale, broccoli and spinach they add bone
mass and are recommended for people with osteoporosis .
Maybe you were missing something else from your diet.
Yeah I eat a lot of broccoli. Just didn't have balance in my diet. I
tend to binge eat certain types of vegetables instead of increasing
the horizon. Ate too much salt, too much pungent plants, it messes
with you after a while.

The other dark greens are good when cooked. Yeah don't avoid
eating them. Just be mindful of how much you put in a juice.

SonOfTheGods, on 27 Apr 2014 - 12:42, said:
oxytocin?
If not, I am very interested because I drink it as well

wheat grass, etc
Here you go man:
http://thewholejourn...oid-and-kidneys
(http://thewholejourney.com/the-best-greens-for-your-thyroid-
and-kidneys)
Edited by malikshreds, 27 April 2014 - 02:49 PM.
Andrei
I am not trying to push Mantak Chia here but i want to make you
guys aware that Immortality Alchemy is serious business
(metaphorically speaking and also practically speaking). What i
don't like at MC is that his system is so hairy and stuffy you get
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lost in that labyrinth of techniques and names, he has a package
with techniques for every need, either you want to be immortal, to
be healthy or have sex (which is like a trap imho to hook people in
his system). The techniques are the same, he is just repeating
them at every level with more connections and more details. What
I like though are his book illustrations which are very explanatory
and the free material he is offering on youtube.
tendou
Not sure where the right place for this, but lately the weather have
been very hot here.

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So what practise is good in this extreme heat environment?

Just sitting will make profuse sweating.
Andrei
What about sitting during the night? Or sitting under a tree in the
shadow? Or under a tree during the night/ evening after sunset /
early morning?
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Edited by Andrei, 28 April 2014 - 01:11 AM.
tendou
I did try during the night. still hot unless I use the ceiling fan, or
open the door or window, which is not that suitable to do in the
night. Yes, it is cooler and more comfortable than the day.

I am not sitting under a tree, to avoid hassle from people. haha..

I did try early morning. better but I need to wake up early for that.
In the wee hour of morning. I need to go to work very early.
Posted 28 April 2014 - 01:15 AM
Captain Mar-Vell
...
Mantak Chia does seem a most accomplished fellow.

He has published many interesting books.

But I have an enormous reading list.

And I don't know if I will bother buying or reading any of them.

XXX
...
Edited by Captain Mar-Vell, 28 April 2014 - 09:54 PM.
Posted 28 April 2014 - 04:58 AM
SonOfTheGods
tendou, on 27 Apr 2014 - 22:01, said:
Not sure where the right place for this, but lately the weather
have been very hot here.
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So what practise is good in this extreme heat environment?

Just sitting will make profuse sweating.

reverse MCO

magnetic Yin work

water path

energy coming DOWN

all cooling

= YinGong

avoid the fire path - Tum Mo up/back/spine if you too hot
joeblast
tendou, on 27 Apr 2014 - 22:01, said:
Not sure where the right place for this, but lately the weather
have been very hot here.

So what practise is good in this extreme heat environment?

Just sitting will make profuse sweating.
if you've been through my laogung thread,
correlate the firesippin', and how it uses the yin channels...
do the opposite analogue,
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relaxing inhale
exhale and shed heat off the outer yang channels
Captain Mar-Vell
...
I repeat for the benefit of the hard of understanding.

There is nothing artificial about ME.

I'm Mr NATURAL.

NOT machine messiah.

XXX
...
Edited by Captain Mar-Vell, 28 April 2014 - 09:55 PM.
Posted 28 April 2014 - 12:59 PM
Uroboros
In this video, he talks about Yin and Yang imbalances and other
fundamentals to cultivation. One thing he says at the end of part 1
and beginning of part 2 is that people with Yang Deficiency should
do LDT focus and people with Yin need to do Yongquen focus.

If people with Yin Deficiency do LDT, it increases Yang which
burns their Yin up more, thereby depleting them even more.

What say you all?

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Started by SonOfTheGods, Apr 08 2014 08:54 PM
NeiGong NeiGong,,
Andrei
Uroboros, on 28 Apr 2014 - 19:30, said:
In this video, he talks about Yin and Yang imbalances and other
fundamentals to cultivation. One thing he says at the end of part
1 and beginning of part 2 is that people with Yang Deficiency
should do LDT focus and people with Yin need to do Yongquen
focus.

If people with Yin Deficiency do LDT, it increases Yang which
burns their Yin up more, thereby depleting them even more.

What say you all?

Posted 28 April 2014 - 07:37 PM
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I did not see the video because I am at work now, I will see it later
but I think he is right. People with Yin deficiency first need to
replenish with Yin their organs especially Liver and Kidney and
then do the Kan&Li alchemy. They have to have Water energy in
the Cauldron before boiling it.
tendou
SonOfTheGods, on 28 Apr 2014 - 11:00, said:
reverse MCO

magnetic Yin work

water path

energy coming DOWN

all cooling

= YinGong
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avoid the fire path - Tum Mo up/back/spine if you too hot
Where can I learn more about magnetic Yin work?

joeblast, on 28 Apr 2014 - 12:29, said:
if you've been through my laogung thread,
correlate the firesippin', and how it uses the yin channels...
do the opposite analogue,
relaxing inhale
exhale and shed heat off the outer yang channels
I've been through your laogung thread.
But I'm just afraid if you do the shedding of heat/energy from the
laogung, won't you lose energy or qi?
tendou
Enriching yin energy. How to do it?

Or is the energy coming down, reverse mco the practise for
enriching yin? But if I can;t get the MCO to work obviously needs
to build the dantien first.
Posted 28 April 2014 - 08:49 PM
Uroboros
Today is the 14th day since my last ejaculation. I started to feel
very horny, hot and manic yesterday. My MingMen also starts to
hurt/ache. This does normally happen once a certain amount of
sexy qi has been built up. The time varies. The first time I
retained, it took 25 days to feel excessive and I could not contain
it.

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I have been doing the MCO reversed, up the Ren/front - down the
Du/back and it has been feeling more vivid. If I touch my teeth,
they tingle and vibrate once the Qi reaches my mouth. My lips at
the center and tongue also tingle vibrate.

I was getting close to overwhelm tonight. It starts to affect my
emotions and mind.

I tried focusing on my YongQuen points because the guy in the
video I shared said for Yin Def. that was best to increase Yin.

I did that while watching a movie and for a bit before...My feelings
of excess have decreased and I do feel calmer.

Now, the Channels in my right leg ache and hurt, though. Heh,
one problem after another, eh!

Anywho, I am looking to find out why these symptoms happen
and what practices I can do to heal the source to further utilize my
sexual energy for cultivation.

Thanks, all!
Captain Mar-Vell
...
I have been retaining approx one month.

Maybe I am accumulating too much energy too quickly.

Hence the electric, tingling/benumbed hobbit feet!

ps It says I've reached my daily quota of likes! Maybe it'z TIME
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to CLUCK OFF! Ha ha ha!
...
Edited by Captain Mar-Vell, Yesterday, 02:32 AM.
Andrei
Now you guys learned how to do tummo. when i did that years
ago, i got outside in the snow to cool down, it was just a little
missing to put my balls in snow, haha
Maybe now you listen to this guy, because he is Chinese and has
"masters" and "lineages". Don't listen to me because I am a white
guy, with no master, no lineage.
tendou, on 28 Apr 2014 - 20:49, said:
Enriching yin energy. How to do it?

Or is the energy coming down, reverse mco the practise for
enriching yin? But if I can;t get the MCO to work obviously
needs to build the dantien first.
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Any practice involving breath and mind is increasing Yang energy
no matter what you do, including kunlun, water paths, stilness-
movement, mopai, longmenpai, healing tao, spring forest, yellow
bamboo, panda qigong etc.
Yin energy: eat the right stuff, drink the right stuff, and sleep. And
stay conected with nature, under trees, in breeze near ocean or
lake or a waterfall, or in a cave in a mountain.
Infinity
http://en.dzendo.org...oad=stat&cat=19 (http://en.dzendo.org
/index.php?load=stat&cat=19)
SonOfTheGods, on 12 Apr 2014 - 15:09, said:

Many thanks for this link and in general! :-)

Posted Yesterday, 08:45 AM


joeblast
tendou, on 28 Apr 2014 - 20:45, said:
I've been through your laogung thread.
But I'm just afraid if you do the shedding of heat/energy from
the laogung, won't you lose energy or qi?
dont grasp so tightly to that which you may perceive as something
you own or embody mostly the shudders are heat balancing.
the body regulates in both directions, it has many mechanisms to
do either, this is just a method to enhance a certain aspect just like
fire sippin enhances a certain aspect (in a complimentary yet
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reciprocal fashion )
tendou
joeblast, on 29 Apr 2014 - 09:33, said:
dont grasp so tightly to that which you may perceive as
something you own or embody mostly the shudders are heat
balancing. the body regulates in both directions, it has many
mechanisms to do either, this is just a method to enhance a
certain aspect just like fire sippin enhances a certain aspect (in a
complimentary yet reciprocal fashion )

Everyone collects money, possession, toys etc..

You mean collecting, collecting obsessively with fears of losing is
not good?
Posted Yesterday, 10:39 AM
joeblast
can be the source of neuroticism no matter what the subject,
money, qi, etc
Posted Yesterday, 10:54 AM
SonOfTheGods
Uroboros, on 28 Apr 2014 - 22:46, said:
Today is the 14th day since my last ejaculation. I started to feel
very horny, hot and manic yesterday. My MingMen also starts to
hurt/ache. This does normally happen once a certain amount of
sexy qi has been built up. The time varies. The first time I
retained, it took 25 days to feel excessive and I could not contain
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it.

I have been doing the MCO reversed, up the Ren/front - down
the Du/back and it has been feeling more vivid. If I touch my
teeth, they tingle and vibrate once the Qi reaches my mouth. My
lips at the center and tongue also tingle vibrate.

I was getting close to overwhelm tonight. It starts to affect my
emotions and mind.

I tried focusing on my YongQuen points because the guy in the
video I shared said for Yin Def. that was best to increase Yin.

I did that while watching a movie and for a bit before...My
feelings of excess have decreased and I do feel calmer.

Now, the Channels in my right leg ache and hurt, though. Heh,
one problem after another, eh!

Anywho, I am looking to find out why these symptoms happen
and what practices I can do to heal the source to further utilize
my sexual energy for cultivation.

Thanks, all!

horny equates to Jing trying to replenish

ejaculation then leads to greaterJing loss

full circle
Andrei
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Uroboros
SonOfTheGods, on 29 Apr 2014 - 11:26, said:
horny equates to Jing trying to replenish

ejaculation then leads to greaterJing loss

full circle

Well, I made it through the super horny period!

I did about 2 hours of cultivation, which helped allot.

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Im glad my Jing is replenishing.

Does this mean that when a wave of arousal/ horny-ness comes
upon us, it is our Jing Essence starting to replenish and if we
make it through this phase without ejaculating, we will have
replenished some Jing Essence?
Captain Mar-Vell
...
Lovin' dat pic Andrei!

Ha ha ha!

Datz what I always say when folk tell me I haven't been eating or
sleeping enough.

I've just been burning the candle at both endz.

on edit or perhaps that should be burning the midnight oil...
...
Edited by Captain Mar-Vell, Today, 12:44 AM.
Posted Yesterday, 11:06 PM
tendou
Uroboros, on 29 Apr 2014 - 22:59, said:
Well, I made it through the super horny period!

I did about 2 hours of cultivation, which helped allot.

Im glad my Jing is replenishing.

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Does this mean that when a wave of arousal/ horny-ness comes
upon us, it is our Jing Essence starting to replenish and if we
make it through this phase without ejaculating, we will have
replenished some Jing Essence?
I get it that you practise sex without ejaculation and not complete
celibacy with even no thought about sex?
Andrei
Jing is Yin and Qi is Yang. When you start practicing you increase
first the Yang because is easier to work with it. Yin is slower.
When you increase Yang you become horny, and if you spill it you
lose both the Yin and the Yang (jing + Qi). Yang is easier to
replenish, you just do the meditation and will be there, but Yin is
slower, you need to eat and sleep and stay connected with the
earth to replenish again. When is fully replenished, your dick
retracts and becomes like a baby dick. The scrotum retracts and it
became thicker like a baby scrotum. This means you return to the
child innocence. But if you increase Yang, your dick awakens again
and becomes horny. So the rule is if Jing is replenished the sex
drive disappears. If Qi is replenished the sex drive reappears but
the hunger disappears. If you loose the Qi through ejaculation you
become hungry and you need to eat to replenish both. If you don't
loose, you don't need to eat so much because you have both them
replenished. Now becomes the third stage of alchemy when you
produce Shen from Qi. Shen is the spiritual energy from what you
build your immortal body. Shen is built anyway during your life
because the process is automatic but because there is not enough
material, the process is incomplete bfore death occurs when you
loose both Yin and Yang. If Shen is replenished the need for sleep
disapears, because your spiritual body exits the physical body and
goes into the dream land, the spiritual realms. When this process
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is blocked somehow, vrythong is screwd up and you begin to have
sexual problems, digestive problems, sleep problems. So that is
why is important to have a regulate and quiet life, because your
energies attune with the natural cycles, like sun and moon cycles.
When moon is full, this is the time when Yang energy increase
during the night and usually celibate men have nocturnal emission
during this time. So during full moon is better to meditate and to
keep the energy low, which means do not force the Qi. During full
moon the Qi should be converted into Shen, and the Shen is
visible as a white light shining inside your head in your third eye.
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Andrei, on 30 Apr 2014 - 10:30, said:
Jing is Yin and Qi is Yang.
where did you get this from?
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Started by SonOfTheGods, Apr 10 2014 12:25 PM
SonOfTheGods
How do you know when to start NeiGong?

If you don't know what NeiGong is, most likely you aren't ready
for it yet.

You should be actively performing Qi Gong for a good number of
years- and understand how to move your energy flow

Instantly move it to your toe to your ear to your hand

You should be feeling some heat- which is friction

The heat should start to Vibrate

You should be able to feel your lower tan tien in all positions, not
just with your pelvis tucked in

Laying down, standing on your head, any place anytime, if you
attention moves to that area, you should FEEL it

Not IMAGINE it - but FEEL it

If you practice just on weekends, or miss most of the week, or do it
every other day- and do it erratically sometimes 15 minutes, then
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40 minutes

NeiGong isn't for you.

You're going to cause problems for yourself

Stay with Qi Gong until your schedule or your mind becomes
concrete enough to work on stable foundation


Eventually your Qi Gong practice will turn into NeiGong without
you realizing it


Despite what others would have you think, there isn't any
important tools, vitamins, elixirs, etc you need.

If you desire a teacher because you are unsure about what you are
doing, then get one.

If you think you can learn on your own, like I did, study and
research first.

Don't think in "Levels" - this isn't video games, or power levels.

Think in moments, and desire Enlightenment BEFORE power.

If you rather shoot lightening bolts out of your hands before you
even grasp the concept of power, just go buy yourself a light saber
at the toy store- or purchase a pellet gun.

Don't be all consumed by trying to figure out how to "cut energy
cords" to free your LDT.
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John Chang said there were at least 10 others like himself, some
were Tai Chi masters.

These masters practice Tai Chi- and "if" there are "cords", then the
"cords" will dissolve themselves WHEN THE TIME IS READY.

That's energetic evolution.

Sure, we can aid and hasten Nature, but only if we are ready.

If you have been "playing with chi" for less than 3 years, and now
you think you are going to cut cords- you're in FOR A PROBLEM.

Patience
Practice
Enlightenment
Power

In THAT order.

Individuals who are power hungry- are usually bullies.

They do not care about compassion, empathy- they have only one
goal - Power.

Examine these people, their motives, etc and you will see what I
am saying is truth.

POWER MONGERS:

They are insecure, afraid, argumentive, and loners- anti-social
outcasts (which IMO they should never own any type of weapon,
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at all - period) and believe the Answer to all their problems is
ultimate chi power.

Watch their lives crumble and their minds grow more paranoid
long before any chi power rescues them.


This is science, not religion.

Power is not your redeemer or saviour.

If you feel I am wrong- please DO NOT POST ON MY
FORUM.
Edited by SonOfTheGods, 10 April 2014 - 12:29 PM.
SonOfTheGods
I worked a lot of Magick in my lifetime.

A LOT.

Lodges, Covens, Groups, Seminars, Retreats, Classes, Lectures

Invocations, Evocations, Circles Triangles Squares/Cubes,
Tesseracts and every Polygon you could imagine, and some you
could not.

Every religion, every diety, every yoga, every pantheon, every
hierarchy

I had the weirdest experiences known to man- I seen it all, I did it
all

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Ghosts Vampires Lycans- you bet

Psychic PSI thieves and blood drinkers

psychedlic to celibate

There is a sub culture and underground

Reality is at levels

Interdimensional and Extraterrestrial

Amateur fighting, Professional MMA, Powerlifting, Self Defense
Classes

ALL ENERGY EXCHANGES

I HAVE MUCH EXPERIENCE.

I am willing to teach if you are willing to learn

FREE

After awhile, my chi practice went to NeiGong all by itself.

How did I know when the transition took place?

When I was Full Lotus and the Qi Jing Shen burns and vibrates so
hard and so bad- it scares and rocks you

This isn't your I <3 CHI bumpersticker Qi Gong!
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BaguaKicksAss
They have I <3 chi bumperstickers?!
Posted 10 April 2014 - 01:17 PM
SonOfTheGods
BaguaKicksAss, on 10 Apr 2014 - 13:17, said:
They have I <3 chi bumperstickers?!
lol I hope not
Posted 10 April 2014 - 05:38 PM
SonOfTheGods
I removed the No Trolling red warnings because I want
this forum to be fun


All the over-trolling will just be moved to The Pit: Here
(http://thetaobums.com/topic/34439-off-topic-the-pit-kangaroo-
chi-kung/)
Edited by SonOfTheGods, 10 April 2014 - 06:24 PM.
Posted 10 April 2014 - 06:24 PM
maheosphet
While I agree with most of what you say I do not like this:

Quote
Despite what others would have you think, there isn't any
important tools, vitamins, elixirs, etc you need.

Which could be misconstrued, because a clean pineal gland is
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important, and it can take a while to clean.

The cleansing can leech the body of minerals, which should be
replaced. Other than that great post.

tendou
3 question.
1. How to make your chi practice become neigong?
2. Which practice or how to make so that you don't need strict
celibacy or retention?
3. What about going from shen, qi, jing?how?
Edited by tendou, 10 April 2014 - 09:26 PM.
Posted 10 April 2014 - 08:28 PM
SonOfTheGods
tendou, on 10 Apr 2014 - 20:28, said:
3 question.
1. How to make your chi practice become neigong?
2. Which practice make you don't need strict celibacy of
retention?
3. What about going from shen, qi, jing?

1. That's answered in the OP
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2. Jin Dan the golden elixir . The LDt is created through breathing
practice and semen retention- so the ancients said.
However, use moderation

3. Transmutation, sublimation etc all happen through dedicated
practice.
Edited by SonOfTheGods, 10 April 2014 - 09:14 PM.
SonOfTheGods
Quote
Charles Luk transl.:
It is absolutely wrong to keep the vital principle in the
lower belly or to prevent it from ftowing freely in the
eight
psychic channels. When it has accumulated in the
belly, it
is advisable to shift one's concentration to the 'central
spot' so
that it can be put into the main orbit.
For this reason, in the
first volume of our Ch'an and Zen Teaching Series^p. 56,
note 4we recommended concentration on the spot between
the navel and the pit of the stomach but could not, for lack of
space, deal with the subject fuUy.
It is said that when the vital principle flows freely in all the
psychic channels, it permeates first the marrow in the bones,
then the nervous system, the flesh and inner organs and
finally
the skin, thus subHmating the whole body. This perhaps
explains the preservation through the ages of the bodies of
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great masters which were only plastered with a thin layer of
rosin mixed with gold powder and dust of sandalwood. This
may also explain the presence of rehcs in the ashes of the
cremated bodies of enhghtened monks.
The unhindered flow of the vital principle in the eight
psychic channels, as explained in Yin Shih Tsu's book, was
known to all Taoists whose prime objective was to reaUze it
in their training with a view to attaining immortaHty.

Quote
We know now that controlled breathing produces prana
which can be accumulated either in the lower belly or in the
solar plexus. When enough of this vital principle is stored, it
generates heat which produces vibration. According to the
Taoist method, the practiser should, at the start of each
meditation, massage his loins and the spine between them
down
to the coccyx until that area is very warm, or visuaUze the
vital principle in the belly as descending to the perineum and
breaking through the coccyx, the first of the three psychic
gates, the other two being between the kidneys and in the
back of the head. If heat is felt in the base of the spine, this
shows that the first gate is being forced through, and there
will be no great difficulty for it to ascend through the second
one and along the backbone to the occiput, through which
it is very difficult to pass. If he perseveres in his training, the
third gate will be forced open and prana will ascend to the
crown of the head, and the rest of the circuit will be completed
in due course as explained by Yin Shih Tsu.
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tendou, on 10 Apr 2014 - 20:28, said:
2. Which practice or how to make so that you don't need strict
celibacy or retention?
3. What about going from shen, qi, jing?how?
Celibacy is something useful in the beginning and intermediate
stages.
Until the Jin Tan = golden pill/elixir is formed.

For me personally, semen retention is not necessary.

I feel a tug on my Mingmen which tells me my flow is a go, and all
is well.

Advanced stages allows insight into the mechanics of your own
body, as each person is different.

--------------

The Pelvis renews bone marrow- so bone and marrow breathing is
essential


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.
Edited by SonOfTheGods, 11 April 2014 - 12:19 PM.
SonOfTheGods
SonOfTheGods, on 11 Apr 2014 - 12:14, said:
The Pelvis renews bone marrow- so bone and marrow breathing
is essential
Bone marrow = red blood cells = which carry oxygen

so you can see the grand scheme of things
Posted 11 April 2014 - 12:20 PM
SonOfTheGods
Yesterday, I seen a guy I know from the gym.

We aren't buddies, but acquaintances as we see each other only
during gym time.
We sometimes spot each other, friendly, superficial chit chat- that
sort of gym rat camaraderie.

I haven't seen him in a few days.

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Check this out:

About 8 or 9 days ago- I was getting out of the sauna. I was in
there for about 25 minutes, always sitting in full lotus in the
sauna- circulating energy, in reverse MCO -magnetic, cooling Yi.

Wooden floorboards, concrete slab underneathe it. Good Yi
absorption.

As I was getting out of the sauna, the guy I mentioned above, was
passing me and said "have a good weekend" , and, as he was
passing me by, he reached around sort of quickly and sloppily to
sort of pat my shoulder, by extending his arm back and out.

It took me unexpectedly, sort of startled, as I was sort of groggy
still from the steam and the meditation of the sauna.
When he did that- my mingmen jolted and I felt an electric charge
go right into the area he had slapped.

As he was leaving I turned around real quick and he said "wow my
shoulder is really sore I'm getting too old for this stuff" and sort of
laughed.

I haven't seen him since that day, then he showed up yesterday at
the gym, to pay his monthly gym dues, with the same arm in a
sling.

I asked him what happened.

He said "hey remember that day when I seen you in the locker
room and said have a good one?"

"Well I must have over hyper extended my shoulder, must have
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been tight, my rotator cuff er something like that. I was driving
out of the parking lot when I felt like a sharp pinching burning
pain right under my arm pit."

"Later on that night the lymph gland swelled up, and I couldn't
even put underarm deodorant on after my shower. It's one of
those weird things that you are fine one minute working out
then you do something minor, and bang your shoulder craps
out".

I asked him if it was his rotator cuff but he said the chiropractor
said it was fine.
Just some inflammation in the posterior anterior and lateral
deltoid head, probably.

The lymph gland swelling has since decreased and isn't as sore to
the touch, no fever, no infection.

So he said he was just going to rest up and heal, then come back
and workout lighter for the next few days.

I told him- maybe put some of the IceyHot ointment around the
shoulder and he said that's what the ache feels like already- hot
burning coldness radiating up and down his hand wrist, forearm
to the armpit, shoulder and upper lat area.

I told him, "ok -well take it easy, and if it keeps acting up, maybe
get some Acupuncture".

He just sort of shrugged and nodded.

That was that.

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Uroboros
SonOfTheGods, on 11 Apr 2014 - 12:14, said:
Celibacy is something useful in the beginning and intermediate
stages.
Until the Jin Tan = golden pill/elixir is formed.

For me personally, semen retention is not necessary.

I feel a tug on my Mingmen which tells me my flow is a go, and
all is well.

Advanced stages allows insight into the mechanics of your own
body, as each person is different.

--------------

The Pelvis renews bone marrow- so bone and marrow breathing
is essential


.
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Now, this is amazing!

How do you form the Jin Tan?

Do you have a sex drive? Do you ejaculate at all or is that reflex
gone?

I put allot of work into my sexy qi and restraining ejaculation,
learning how to cultivate this Jin Tan sounds vital.

Peace
tendou
Charles Luk transl.:
It is absolutely wrong to keep the vital principle in the
lower belly or to prevent it from ftowing freely in the eight
psychic channels. When it has accumulated in the belly, it
is advisable to shift one's concentration to the 'central spot' so
that it can be put into the main orbit.
Where is this central spot?
What does keeping the vital principle in the lower belly means and
how to avoid that?
Edited by tendou, 12 April 2014 - 12:48 AM.
Posted 12 April 2014 - 12:42 AM
tendou
How to convert from shen into qi, into jing?
Edited by tendou, 12 April 2014 - 12:50 AM.
Posted 12 April 2014 - 12:46 AM
SonOfTheGods
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Uroboros, on 12 Apr 2014 - 00:01, said:
Now, this is amazing!

How do you form the Jin Tan?

Do you have a sex drive? Do you ejaculate at all or is that reflex
gone?

I put allot of work into my sexy qi and restraining ejaculation,
learning how to cultivate this Jin Tan sounds vital.

Peace
The Jin Tan is the LDT

It is created via the exercises I give here

Cultivating, TaiChi, Meditation, MCO

Seminal Retention is useful in the beginning and intermediate
stages.

If you have to release, just do not over do it.
In other words- don't masturbate 10 times lol

If I orgasm, I can still cultivate a few minutes later.

But I have been doing this for almost 40 years
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Started by SonOfTheGods, Apr 10 2014 12:25 PM
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tendou, on 12 Apr 2014 - 00:42, said:
Charles Luk transl.:
It is absolutely wrong to keep the vital principle in the
lower belly or to prevent it from ftowing freely in the eight
psychic channels. When it has accumulated in the belly, it
is advisable to shift one's concentration to the 'central spot' so
that it can be put into the main orbit.
Where is this central spot?
What does keeping the vital principle in the lower belly means
and how to avoid that?
This means, do the MCO and do not concentrate ONLY on the
lower Tan Tien.

There are some beliefs which have become like religion, that say
only cultivate the LDT and don't perform the MCO

The Middle Tan Tien begins the Shen conversion, which ends up
in the Niwan, Crown, and then back down.

Once the Tum Mo and the Jen Mo develop, then comes the power
of the central pillar or TaiJi Pole
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SonOfTheGods
Some people employ various techniques to develop Jin Tan =
Golden Pill = Elixir Field = Lower Dan/Tan Tien

Alchemy, elixirs, Ginseng, etc

It can get very dangerous and expensive.

Set aside a couple of hours daily, and cultivate.

Once *YOU* are ready, it will happen.
Posted 12 April 2014 - 10:17 AM
tendou
SonOfTheGods, on 12 Apr 2014 - 10:10, said:
The Jin Tan is the LDT

It is created via the exercises I give here

Cultivating, TaiChi, Meditation, MCO

Seminal Retention is useful in the beginning and intermediate
stages.

If you have to release, just do not over do it.
In other words- don't masturbate 10 times lol

If I orgasm, I can still cultivate a few minutes later.

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But I have been doing this for almost 40 years

What about the famous "you shouldn't cultivate 72 hours after
ejaculation" stuff? Myth or truth?
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tendou, on 12 Apr 2014 - 11:13, said:
What about the famous "you shouldn't cultivate 72 hours after
ejaculation" stuff? Myth or truth?
I would wait a couple of days at beginner and intermediate stages

Mostly because you won't be feeling too much energy at all, and try
to push too hard, that's the danger

If you want to meditate, that's fine, just no compression etc
Posted 12 April 2014 - 11:18 AM
tendou
SonOfTheGods, on 12 Apr 2014 - 10:13, said:
This means, do the MCO and do not concentrate ONLY on the
lower Tan Tien.

There are some beliefs which have become like religion, that say
only cultivate the LDT and don't perform the MCO

The Middle Tan Tien begins the Shen conversion, which ends
up in the Niwan, Crown, and then back down.

Once the Tum Mo and the Jen Mo develop, then comes the
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power of the central pillar or TaiJi Pole

Intersting about middle dantien doing shen conversion. There was
a time I was concentrating on LDT and energetic sensation comes
inside the area of middle dantien. And some sensation on
forehead skin area.

SonOfTheGods, on 12 Apr 2014 - 10:17, said:
Some people employ various techniques to develop Jin Tan =
Golden Pill = Elixir Field = Lower Dan/Tan Tien

Alchemy, elixirs, Ginseng, etc

It can get very dangerous and expensive.

Set aside a couple of hours daily, and cultivate.

Once *YOU* are ready, it will happen.

Would just doing sitting still meditation counts as cultivating?
When you do sitting meditation, what do you suggest to focus on?

Full Lotus mandatory?
SonOfTheGods
If you want to feel HEAT in your lower Tan Tien, and
haven't yet- try this

ABSTAIN FROM ALL SOLID FOOD FOR AT LEAST 30
HOURS
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Then cultivate

if you have been cultivating for a substantial period of time, you
might finally feel HEAT/Friction
SonOfTheGods
Quote
Quote

Marks of Glory, on 22 Mar 2014 - 01:50, said:
(http://thetaobums.com/index.php?app=forums&
module=forums&section=findpost&pid=533323)
the 'mysterious female aperture' is mentioned in the tao teh
ching. On Long Men Pai it is said that this "aperture" is
found half way between the Heart (representing Heaven
here) and the Navel / Kidneys (Representing Earth).

i.e. the mysterious female aperture is localized on the solar
plexus, on the stomach area. If I'm not mistaken there a
stage on the practice in which the adept must hold his
intent and qi higher than the navel but lower than the
heart, until the qi will spontaneosly enter into this cavity.



SonOfTheGods Wrote:

All very real, and not allegory.

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Mine protrudes about 1.5 inches, and is round.
I can make it pop in and out, very easily, over and
over.


When I put focus on my lower Tan Tien, immediately
the flow surges into it, Shanzhong heats, Vagus nerve
on right side of neck pulsates, my lower lip goes
numb/tingles and my false and true (and middle) 3rd
eye/Niwan starts to swell.

Lingtai, BaiHui pulses and Laogong, Daling Points
heat and ignite all the way to Yong quan/Bubbling
Springs.

Huiyin, Qihai, Wei lu, Mingmen throbs and Tan Tien
MCO reverses.

Few minutes later the energy sublimates and little
death visits.
http://thetaobums.co...n-pai/?p=535606 (http://thetaobums.com
/topic/34127-minor-death-in-longmen-pai/?p=535606)
SonOfTheGods
tendou, on 12 Apr 2014 - 11:19, said:
Intersting about middle dantien doing shen conversion. There
was a time I was concentrating on LDT and energetic sensation
comes inside the area of middle dantien. And some sensation
on forehead skin area.


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Would just doing sitting still meditation counts as cultivating?
When you do sitting meditation, what do you suggest to focus
on?

Full Lotus mandatory?
Focus on stillness, breath and LDT- in meditating would be
cultivating

The Alpha State enhances LDT formulation

If you want to be a serious cultivator, and not just as a hobby

FULL LOTUS ALL THE WAY

practice practice practice
MERCELESS ONE
SonOfTheGods, on 12 Apr 2014 - 11:18, said:
I would wait a couple of days at beginner and intermediate
stages

Mostly because you won't be feeling too much energy at all, and
try to push too hard, that's the danger

If you want to meditate, that's fine, just no compression etc
i learned this the hard way! felt like getting stabbed in the groin
with a hot knife...not fun dropped straight to my knees.
Posted 12 April 2014 - 11:56 AM
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After a period of years, these are the signs to WATCH:

Mingmen jumps, spasms, aches

Between the shoulder blades- Scapula= LingTai ***(don't forget
to Bone Breath these and the Clavicles and Rib Cage!) spasms

Right Hand- Laogong and wrist Daling points BURN BAD- then
at other times, feels like an orgasm in your wrist

Shanzhong gets fluttering and warm

Left foot starts to cramp, ache, burn, numb- even if not in Full
Lotus
Left Big Toe Burns

joeblast
haha, orgasm in wrist. that's what it feels like when it becomes
necessary to strike. that reason, thankfully, seldom happens. (so
what do you call that when it happens at the niwan? )
Edited by joeblast, 12 April 2014 - 12:23 PM.
Posted 12 April 2014 - 12:22 PM
SonOfTheGods
joeblast, on 12 Apr 2014 - 12:22, said:
haha, orgasm in wrist. that's what it feels like when it becomes
necessary to strike. that reason, thankfully, seldom happens.
(so what do you call that when it happens at the niwan? )
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a female orgasm

LOL
Edited by SonOfTheGods, 12 April 2014 - 12:28 PM.
SonOfTheGods
The Pelvis:

Bone Breath this bone marrow renewal machine

It will vibrate like a Tibetan Bowl

It will open the Coccyx and Sacrum/upside down pyramid

Also the Kua points in the hip joints will thank you


One of the things about the Pelvis is that when you are doing
right- YOU WILL KNOW ABOUT IT

Your Testicles will feel as if they are breathing

The base of the Penis is where strong meridians lie dormant- but
is a strong area to focus on.

From LDT and several other non-points down to that base area

This is basic even for the females
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SonOfTheGods
"Home" of the LDT
Edited by SonOfTheGods, 12 April 2014 - 12:37 PM.
Posted 12 April 2014 - 12:36 PM
Uroboros
SOTG-

Is the bone breathing you are talking about the kind found in
Wayson Liaos Taichi Classics?

Or is it more of breathing into the bones?
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Uroboros, on 12 Apr 2014 - 12:41, said:
SOTG-

Is the bone breathing you are talking about the kind found in
Wayson Liaos Taichi Classics?

Or is it more of breathing into the bones?
I have some other techniques but those Classics are NECESSARY
READING.

Charles Luk's books too

Eventually will be adding the techniques
Edited by SonOfTheGods, 12 April 2014 - 12:46 PM.
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joeblast
SonOfTheGods, on 12 Apr 2014 - 12:27, said:
a female orgasm

LOL
just there, nowhere else, not the same thing
Posted 12 April 2014 - 01:55 PM
SonOfTheGods
joeblast, on 12 Apr 2014 - 13:55, said:
just there, nowhere else, not the same thing
when my Kundalini popped it felt like that

thought I was dead

I might have been lol
Posted 12 April 2014 - 02:00 PM
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SonOfTheGods, on 12 Apr 2014 - 19:20, said:
Qi has it's own unique consciousness.
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It can:
provide, improve;
defend, attack, protect, bring conscious and subconscious
desires, teach, sustain, drain, coordinate, control, burn, freeze,
repel, attract, power, strength, speed, agility, stamina,
intelligence, health, wealth & magick
This is why science will never decode what Qi, really is
Sure science can duplicate and replicate various components
of Qi- but will never dissect it to the point where science can
create it synthetically.
Weaponised Qi is dangerous
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Opening Third Eye
Started by SonOfTheGods, Apr 12 2014 12:43 PM
Third Eye Third Eye,,
SonOfTheGods
A sacred marriage and union of bliss:

Inhale through nostrils using throat friction-

visualize a thin nadi/white stream of energy flowing through your
nostrils, down up your forehead- just under the thin skin on your
forehead

exhale the breathe and see it swirl at your hairline

recall what I said about energy on another thread

spirals and rotation according to your location

inhale and pull that energy under your scalp skin, just touching
the circumference of your skull, exhaling at the jade pillow,
approximately at the occipital points

inhale again and push the energy straight down the Tum Mo
channel into your Mingmen and exhale hard at that point

again swirls etc

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inhale and go down around to lower tan tien and squeeze the floor
as you exhale

one long inhale and reverse the whole procedure

do it again

10 cycles

share on here what you felt

This is Mine- you will not find these Instructions,
anywhere
Edited by SonOfTheGods, 13 April 2014 - 10:25 AM.
SonOfTheGods

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These particular Meridians are useful in 3rd Eye activation.
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Andrei
Do you have it opened?
Posted 12 April 2014 - 05:03 PM
MERCELESS ONE
a meditation that starts the energizing and opening is to draw
energy from the crown to the dantien. this act will open and
energize the dantien as well as the third eye.

how to do this: while getting ready for meditation and energy work
focus on the pineal gland
not a hard focus just a light one. then focus on the energy of peace,
and love. one then the other. after these permeate the brain focus
on the dantien then commence to drawing energy from the crown
down to the dantien.

the third eye will not open till you have stored and compressed
enough yang energy to cause the breakthrough.
Posted 12 April 2014 - 05:22 PM
MERCELESS ONE
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afterwards when time to mix yin and yang comes all powers will
be amplified!
SonOfTheGods
Andrei, on 12 Apr 2014 - 17:03, said:
Do you have it opened?

Anyone who has been seriously cultivating for a few years should
have it "opened".

What I was going to explain, I started but you jumped ahead lol-

The meridians I showed up above in this thread are important in
the work up & make up to this process.

It is a process.

The Niwan- Thalamus Pineal Pituitary - in conjunction with the
Bai Hui and the central channel flowing- all keep the Mind-
Open/Flowing.

To separate new age myth from the real third eye awakening, and
to understand this:

Pigeons have a magnetic crystalline structure that guide them =
Magnetoception

Bats use Echolocation/sonar to guide them

A blind man sharpens, naturally all his other senses, to still be
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able to "see"


Quote
Magnetoception has been observed in bacteria, in invertebrates
such as fruit flies, lobsters and honeybees. It has also been
demonstrated in vertebrates including birds, turtles, sharks and
stingrays.
Edited by SonOfTheGods, 12 April 2014 - 05:30 PM.
Andrei
what do you see with it?
Posted 12 April 2014 - 06:00 PM
SonOfTheGods
Andrei, on 12 Apr 2014 - 18:00, said:
what do you see with it?
I could write volumes on that.

A little at a time we will discuss the attributes, otherwise this
forum turns into my autobiography lol
Posted 12 April 2014 - 06:02 PM
SonOfTheGods
Anyone work
Kunlun?
Red Phoenix I II III ?
YiGong?
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MERCELESS ONE, on 12 Apr 2014 - 17:22, said:
a meditation that starts the energizing and opening is to draw
energy from the crown to the dantien. this act will open and
energize the dantien as well as the third eye.

how to do this: while getting ready for meditation and energy
work focus on the pineal gland
not a hard focus just a light one. then focus on the energy of
peace, and love. one then the other. after these permeate the
brain focus on the dantien then commence to drawing energy
from the crown down to the dantien.

the third eye will not open till you have stored and compressed
enough yang energy to cause the breakthrough.
!! WARNING WARNING !! also i would like to point out, never
ever never ever ever ever ever focus energy to any other part of the
brain!!! head aches, insomnia, and a host of other ailments will
occur your only focus should be to relax the brain.. please take
heed to this warning.
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MERCELESS ONE, on 12 Apr 2014 - 19:50, said:
!! WARNING WARNING !! also i would like to point out,
never ever never ever ever ever ever focus energy to any other
part of the brain!!! head aches, insomnia, and a host of other
ailments will occur your only focus should be to relax the brain..
please take heed to this warning.
yeah I got a nosebleed and a headache from hell several times
from that many years ago

good warning there
Posted 12 April 2014 - 07:52 PM
MERCELESS ONE
SonOfTheGods, on 12 Apr 2014 - 19:52, said:
yeah I got a nosebleed and a headache from hell several times
from that many years ago

good warning there
for me it was a serious headache after which kept me up all night
till i sat in meditation then drained all the energy back to the
dantien, took bout 45 min felt like my eyes were gonna pop lol not
funny then but now when i look back on it..
Posted 12 April 2014 - 08:01 PM
SonOfTheGods
MERCELESS ONE, on 12 Apr 2014 - 20:01, said:
for me it was a serious headache after which kept me up all
night till i sat in meditation then drained all the energy back to
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the dantien, took bout 45 min felt like my eyes were gonna pop
lol not funny then but now when i look back on it..
Exactly- that's the way it is drained/siphoned- circulate back to
LDT via MCO or shortcut via central Taiji channel
MERCELESS ONE
** TO NOTE **
opening the third eye is a continual process that gains
more clarity with practice. as your energy builds the
more potential you have for greater sight but thats not
the end. sight/ spiritual sight is as much related to the
physical world and knowledge as it is to the spiritual
world and the knowledge there of. its not something that
will just all of a sudden happens and then you have "
super psychic " vision it happens over time. most
practisioners will have no idea what they are seeing and
how to interpret it, and thats where knowledge comes in.
so be patient keep studying and practice practice
practice!!
Posted 12 April 2014 - 08:30 PM
SonOfTheGods
The 3rd eye consists of 3 components

2 are not-the-true-third-eye

and the actual location of said "true third eye"- is in the area of the
front hairline

between your eyebrows at the bridge of the nose is NOT the 3rd
eye
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14 Apr 2014

there is also a true and false lower Tan Tien
MERCELESS ONE
that is true! while meditating one may think the third eye
is the spot on the forehead that vibrat/pulses/feels like
somtning is moving or spiraling. but in fact this is only
pressure caused by the real third eye being energized. so
that feeling is a side effect not the actual alchemical
process.
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Opening Third Eye
Started by SonOfTheGods, Apr 12 2014 12:43 PM
Third Eye Third Eye,,
SonOfTheGods
A sacred marriage and union of bliss:

Inhale through nostrils using throat friction-

visualize a thin nadi/white stream of energy flowing through your
nostrils, down up your forehead- just under the thin skin on your
forehead

exhale the breathe and see it swirl at your hairline

recall what I said about energy on another thread

spirals and rotation according to your location

inhale and pull that energy under your scalp skin, just touching
the circumference of your skull, exhaling at the jade pillow,
approximately at the occipital points

inhale again and push the energy straight down the Tum Mo
channel into your Mingmen and exhale hard at that point

again swirls etc

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inhale and go down around to lower tan tien and squeeze the floor
as you exhale

one long inhale and reverse the whole procedure

do it again

10 cycles

share on here what you felt

This is Mine- you will not find these Instructions,
anywhere
joeblast
interesting lightup of the mingmen-yinjiao(cv7) bringing it back
down. part of that preparatory lower loop of "small-small"
circulation (see 3dt mco.)

Posted 13 April 2014 - 12:17 PM
Uroboros
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SonOfTheGods, on 13 Apr 2014 - 10:28, said:
A sacred marriage and union of bliss:

Inhale through nostrils using throat friction-

visualize a thin nadi/white stream of energy flowing through
your nostrils, down up your forehead- just under the thin skin
on your forehead

exhale the breathe and see it swirl at your hairline

recall what I said about energy on another thread

spirals and rotation according to your location

inhale and pull that energy under your scalp skin, just touching
the circumference of your skull, exhaling at the jade pillow,
approximately at the occipital points

inhale again and push the energy straight down the Tum Mo
channel into your Mingmen and exhale hard at that point

again swirls etc

inhale and go down around to lower tan tien and squeeze the
floor as you exhale

one long inhale and reverse the whole procedure

do it again

10 cycles
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share on here what you felt

This is Mine- you will not find these Instructions,
anywhere

I did it 3 times(forwards and backwards), my mingmen started to
hurt a bit/ feels cold, my head feels more relaxed/ expansive and
my mind is a bit clearer.

I will do it some more and see what else happens!
Edited by Uroboros, 13 April 2014 - 03:32 PM.
SonOfTheGods
Uroboros, on 13 Apr 2014 - 15:32, said:
I did it 3 times(forwards and backwards), my mingmen started
to hurt a bit/ feels cold, my head feels more relaxed/ expansive
and my mind is a bit clearer.

I will do it some more and see what else happens!
ok- just go slow
a little at a time

this way if you have any ill effects, we can troubleshoot
Posted 13 April 2014 - 05:46 PM
SonOfTheGods
Uroboros, on 13 Apr 2014 - 15:32, said:
I did it 3 times(forwards and backwards), my mingmen started
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to hurt a bit/ feels cold, my head feels more relaxed/ expansive
and my mind is a bit clearer.

I will do it some more and see what else happens!

Now, there are 2 theories on why the Mingmen can hurt.

1. There is not enough Qi and the Mingmen is overworking

2. Mingmen is now awakening and/or any spine injury you had in
the past is healing. Also there are some blockages that is being
worked.

So that's why i said go slow
Uroboros
SonOfTheGods, on 13 Apr 2014 - 17:53, said:
Now, there are 2 theories on why the Mingmen can hurt.

1. There is not enough Qi and the Mingmen is overworking

2. Mingmen is now awakening and/or any spine injury you had
in the past is healing. Also there are some blockages that is
being worked.

So that's why i said go slow

My mingmen area and sacrum hurt on and off at times. My
mingmen started hurting/ burning about 1 and a half years into
my training, at a infrequent pace. The top of my sacrum has been
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hurting (sharp burning) for a few months now.

My kidney area either feels burning tingly or cold, it cycles.

We shall see! I will go slow, a few reps at a time....I seem to need
to do that for most practices anyway.
MERCELESS ONE
Uroboros, on 13 Apr 2014 - 18:43, said:
My mingmen area and sacrum hurt on and off at times. My
mingmen started hurting/ burning about 1 and a half years into
my training, at a infrequent pace. The top of my sacrum has
been hurting (sharp burning) for a few months now.

My kidney area either feels burning tingly or cold, it cycles.

We shall see! I will go slow, a few reps at a time....I seem to
need to do that for most practices anyway.
from my experience sometimes this happens when dehydrated
and rehydrating. after masturbation or sex this could happen.
staying hydrated helped me nullify all the pains i would feel. so i
drink a gallon of water or more every day especially when i
workout. this also goes for if you drink alcohol, or any substance
that is toxic or slightly toxic that heats the body up and depletes
water. if you drink coffee or alot of soda you really wanna cut
down or stop. i cut down alot on the coffee drinking. never really
liked sodas.
Posted 13 April 2014 - 07:18 PM
Uroboros
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MERCELESS ONE, on 13 Apr 2014 - 19:18, said:
from my experience sometimes this happens when dehydrated
and rehydrating. after masturbation or sex this could happen.
staying hydrated helped me nullify all the pains i would feel. so i
drink a gallon of water or more every day especially when i
workout. this also goes for if you drink alcohol, or any substance
that is toxic or slightly toxic that heats the body up and depletes
water. if you drink coffee or alot of soda you really wanna cut
down or stop. i cut down alot on the coffee drinking. never really
liked sodas.

I drink allot of water, 6 - 8 8oz cups a day, purified by reverse
osmosis.

I do have sex regularly, I do not ejaculate (inward or outward). My
ejaculation frequency is about..7 - 20 days. Im nearing a
consistency of 12 - 20.

You are right about the water and sex, it can mess everything up if
not taken care of!

My vice is sweet tea....LAWD I LOVE IT!!!! Uggh. I drink more
water to compensate when I do drink z tea...
Uroboros
Uroboros, on 13 Apr 2014 - 18:43, said:
My mingmen area and sacrum hurt on and off at times. My
mingmen started hurting/ burning about 1 and a half years into
my training, at a infrequent pace. The top of my sacrum has
been hurting (sharp burning) for a few months now.
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My kidney area either feels burning tingly or cold, it cycles.

We shall see! I will go slow, a few reps at a time....I seem to
need to do that for most practices anyway.

I did this practice again and noticed that the top of my sacrum,
where the hips end and the spine gap starts, is what hurt the
most.
MERCELESS ONE
Uroboros, on 13 Apr 2014 - 19:25, said:
My vice is sweet tea....LAWD I LOVE IT!!!! Uggh. I drink more
water to compensate when I do drink z tea...
im a tea person myself, i drink a mixture of green tea, yerbamate,
bamboo tea. sometimes i throw hibiscus in the mix.
Posted 13 April 2014 - 07:37 PM
MERCELESS ONE
Uroboros, on 13 Apr 2014 - 19:36, said:
I did this practice again and noticed that the top of my sacrum,
where the hips end and the spine gap starts, is what hurt the
most.
you may need to streatch and open up the hips, lower spine and
groin. i notice a difference in my practice when i do really good
stretching before hand.
Posted 13 April 2014 - 07:40 PM
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MERCELESS ONE, on 13 Apr 2014 - 19:37, said:
im a tea person myself, i drink a mixture of green tea,
yerbamate, bamboo tea. sometimes i throw hibiscus in the mix.

Hehe, I love true tea! Not just the sugar filled blaspheme that is
sweet tea!

Tuo Cha Pu-erh...Its godly. Have you tried it?

Oolongs are my second favorite...mmm, a nice WuYi Oolong...Oh
yea...
Uroboros
MERCELESS ONE, on 13 Apr 2014 - 19:40, said:
you may need to streatch and open up the hips, lower spine and
groin. i notice a difference in my practice when i do really good
stretching before hand.

Oh, definitely. I have lots of problems in my hips. They are twisted
and pulled, which pulls my ribcage and spine. Lots O fun there.

Its an ongoing process, amigo.

Yoga has been amazing for this, though. I recommend it highly, so
long as you use the asanas as forms for the mind and breath, not
like pull ups and such.
Edited by Uroboros, 13 April 2014 - 07:51 PM.
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MERCELESS ONE, on 13 Apr 2014 - 19:18, said:
from my experience sometimes this happens when dehydrated
and rehydrating. after masturbation or sex this could happen.
staying hydrated helped me nullify all the pains i would feel. so i
drink a gallon of water or more every day especially when i
workout. this also goes for if you drink alcohol, or any substance
that is toxic or slightly toxic that heats the body up and depletes
water. if you drink coffee or alot of soda you really wanna cut
down or stop. i cut down alot on the coffee drinking. never really
liked sodas.

good stuff!
SonOfTheGods
Uroboros, on 13 Apr 2014 - 19:25, said:
I drink allot of water, 6 - 8 8oz cups a day, purified by reverse
osmosis.

I do have sex regularly, I do not ejaculate (inward or outward).
My ejaculation frequency is about..7 - 20 days. Im nearing a
consistency of 12 - 20.

You are right about the water and sex, it can mess everything up
if not taken care of!

My vice is sweet tea....LAWD I LOVE IT!!!! Uggh. I drink more
water to compensate when I do drink z tea...

tea = diuretic
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SonOfTheGods, on 13 Apr 2014 - 20:00, said:
tea = diuretic

True.

I have always peed a good bit because I drink allot. Have to or
dehydration will occur.

Dangit, tea! Why are you so delish?!
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Third Eye Third Eye,,
Andrei
Just be careful not to overdo this exercise. If burning sensation in
mingmen increases you are looking for trouble. The heat will
invade the liver and you are screwed. Do you see that fire in the
ming men area? That is a sign that the desired effect was obtained
but you should go to the next step now. What you did until now
was "lighting the fire". But if you do too much the forest will burn,
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the forest being the liver. So you have a fire in the prostate and a
fire in the mingmen which means you have the yang Qi but you
need to put in the cauldron the other ingredients and cook them.
Edited by Andrei, 13 April 2014 - 09:35 PM.
Uroboros
Andrei, on 13 Apr 2014 - 21:34, said:
Just be careful not to overdo this exercise. If burning sensation
in mingmen increases you are looking for trouble. The heat will
invade the liver and you are screwed. Do you see that fire in the
ming men area? That is a sign that the desired effect was
obtained but you should go to the next step now. What you did
until now was "lighting the fire". But if you do too much the
forest will burn, the forest being the liver. So you have a fire in
the prostate and a fire in the mingmen which means you have
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the yang Qi but you need to put in the cauldron the other
ingredients and cook them.

Damn...That is a beautiful painting! Even if I had no idea as to the
alchemical messages, it is still stunning!

Hm....I do not know if I have reached the proper goal in - lighting
the fire-...

I do have liver fire problems, pretty much every week. I wake up
often with liver fire headaches and sluggishness.

I was born with a underdeveloped liver, though... I was a yellow
baby! Oh and a cone head! Twas a delicious baby flavored yellow
ice cream cone! hahah

Thank you for the advice , Andrei....I will put that in my pipe and
hopefully not smoke my self!

Also...what would the ingredients be? These are some amazing
practices...I would rather not fuck my body up by being ignorant.
Edited by Uroboros, 13 April 2014 - 09:44 PM.
MERCELESS ONE
Uroboros, on 13 Apr 2014 - 21:43, said:
I was born with a underdeveloped liver, though... I was a yellow
baby!
my twin and i were as well, we were born 2 1/2 months early. you
wouldnt be able to tell now being 6"3 235 solid muscle lol. after we
mixed yin and yang alot of problems we had from birth started to
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go away the body starts healin wonderfully after that.
Uroboros
MERCELESS ONE, on 13 Apr 2014 - 21:50, said:
my twin and i were as well, we were born 2 1/2 months early.
you wouldnt be able to tell now being 6"3 235 solid muscle lol.
after we mixed yin and yang alot of problems we had from birth
started to go away the body starts healin wonderfully after that.

Haha! Big boy, eh! You are the kind that scares little
children....this is good.

What is this mixing yin and yang I hear so much about?!

Please splain, mister MERCELESS
Posted 13 April 2014 - 10:03 PM
MERCELESS ONE
Uroboros, on 13 Apr 2014 - 22:03, said:
Haha! Big boy, eh! You are the kind that scares little
children....this is good.

What is this mixing yin and yang I hear so much about?!

Please splain, mister MERCELESS
its when you have gathered enough yang energy, after which you
can after learning to move the dantien can move it down to the
perineum, but there is much more to it than just moving it down,
"explanation for another time lol" but afterwards when you
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harness the fusion of the two your body gives off another energy
"life force" energy this allows you to start different cultivation
methods that allow you to develop further. so in a nut shell your
changed for ever by a more powerful energy than the two separate
energies.
Andrei
Inscriptions on the figure:
1. Mysterious yin-yang treadmill
2. Kan-water flowing in reverse
3. Correct elixir field
4. Spirit of heart called elixir origin guarding the numen
(shou-ling)
5. Spirit of kidneys called mysterious obscurity nourishing the
child (yu-ying)
6. Spirit of spleen called continuously existing pavilion
7. Spirit of gallbladder called dragon glory majestic illumination
8. Spirit of lungs called brilliant splendour emptiness complete
9. Spirit of liver called dragon mist containing illumination
10. Engraving a stone, the lad holding a string of coins
11. Cow herder constellation
12. Mysterious pass hidden in fifty regions
13. Weaving maiden transporting and transferring
14. Central elixir field
15. Iron ox plowing the field where golden coins are sown
16. This field is the earth of ken-mountain
17. Cavity of the two kidney storehouses
18. Mountains and streams decocting in a half-sheng cauldron
19. Upper pass of jade perfection
20. Cavity of the numinous peak
21. Summit of the great peak
22. Numinous terrace of the thickly meshed net
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23. Niwan palace
24. A grain of millet containing the world
25. Prefecture of ascending yang
26. Mountain of nine peaks
27. Eyebrows of white headed Lao Tzu hanging down to earth
28. If you orient yourself towards the mysterious, the mysterious
will be attained.
29. Outside this mystery there is no mystery
30. Governing vessel Tu Mai
31. Conception vessel Jen Mai
32. Origin of the ascending method
33. Larynx
34. Qi sickness over the descending bridge
35. The blue-eyed foreign monk holding up the heavens
36. Palace of the sweet spring and cold peak
37. The twelve storied pagoda store the secret transmission
Edited by Andrei, 13 April 2014 - 10:24 PM.
Uroboros
MERCELESS ONE, on 13 Apr 2014 - 22:20, said:
its when you have gathered enough yang energy, after which you
can after learning to move the dantien can move it down to the
perineum, but there is much more to it than just moving it
down, "explanation for another time lol" but afterwards when
you harness the fusion of the two your body gives off another
energy "life force" energy this allows you to start different
cultivation methods that allow you to develop further. so in a
nut shell your changed for ever by a more powerful energy than
the two separate energies.

Wow! That sounds awe-some!

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What practice do you train in to achieve this?

I can see how that would heal allot of things...

Since your liver weakness was pre-natal, did you have difficulty
healing it with herbs, medicines, regular QiGong?
Uroboros
Andrei, on 13 Apr 2014 - 22:22, said:
Inscriptions on the figure:
1. Mysterious yin-yang treadmill
2. Kan-water flowing in reverse
3. Correct elixir field
4. Spirit of heart called elixir origin guarding the numen
(shou-ling)
5. Spirit of kidneys called mysterious obscurity nourishing the
child (yu-ying)
6. Spirit of spleen called continuously existing pavilion
7. Spirit of gallbladder called dragon glory majestic illumination
8. Spirit of lungs called brilliant splendour emptiness complete
9. Spirit of liver called dragon mist containing illumination
10. Engraving a stone, the lad holding a string of coins
11. Cow herder constellation
12. Mysterious pass hidden in fifty regions
13. Weaving maiden transporting and transferring
14. Central elixir field
15. Iron ox plowing the field where golden coins are sown
16. This field is the earth of ken-mountain
17. Cavity of the two kidney storehouses
18. Mountains and streams decocting in a half-sheng cauldron
19. Upper pass of jade perfection
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20. Cavity of the numinous peak
21. Summit of the great peak
22. Numinous terrace of the thickly meshed net
23. Niwan palace
24. A grain of millet containing the world
25. Prefecture of ascending yang
26. Mountain of nine peaks
27. Eyebrows of white headed Lao Tzu hanging down to earth
28. If you orient yourself towards the mysterious, the
mysterious will be attained.
29. Outside this mystery there is no mystery
30. Governing vessel Tu Mai
31. Conception vessel Jen Mai
32. Origin of the ascending method
33. Larynx
34. Qi sickness over the descending bridge
35. The blue-eyed foreign monk holding up the heavens
36. Palace of the sweet spring and cold peak
37. The twelve storied pagoda store the secret transmission

Ahh!

Thank you for the key to the map, Andrei...

Study is involved now.
Andrei
I will give later the other translations but I can explain some
meanings in the diagram.
Anyways whomever is interested you can see the translation here:
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http://wangfengyi.fi...neichingtu1.pdf
(http://wangfengyi.files.wordpress.com/2011/05
/neichingtu1.pdf)
The water below is the jing the sexual fluids.
The boys are the testicles, they are running or stepping on the
tread mill making it to turn the water wheel, making the water to
go upwards towards the brain. The mountains are the spine and
the upward river is the spinal marrow through which Tu Mai, or
governor vessel is flowing. The piece of land below is the penis,
which is connected to the boys and the fire in the prostate area.
The ox and the plower are the guts area where is supposed to sow
the golden coins. This is the field where the yellow sprouts raise.
The forest and the piece of land represent the liver and the
stomach, because liver is sustained by the stomach, the wood
grows on earth. The maiden is the spleen which transports and
transforms. Also waiving maiden is a technique of rotating the Qi
in the dantian. The technique is described in Wang Liping book, I
highly recommend to buy that book, because that technique is
essential, and even if this technique is all over the internet in
various forms it is not correct, only WLP has the correct form of it.
This technique collects essences from the 5 organs which is
symbolically represented by the pearl glowing encircled by the
four yin-yang taichi symbols. Which means that in the cauldron,
in the correct elixir field location you should gather and store the 5
essences which should be balanced yin-yang plus another 2
substances in total should be 7 substances that you cook in the
cauldron near mingmen fire. Some people are more balanced than
others, some made enough cultivation in other lives and in this life
was much easier, but this is the path towards opening the third
eye. Which is the verse "one grain of millet contains the world".
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MERCELESS ONE
Uroboros, on 13 Apr 2014 - 22:27, said:
Wow! That sounds awe-some!

What practice do you train in to achieve this?

I can see how that would heal allot of things...

Since your liver weakness was pre-natal, did you have difficulty
healing it with herbs, medicines, regular QiGong?
i practice taoist alchemy, a good book on this is TAOIST YOGA
ALCHEMY AND IMMORTALITY.

it healed as much as it could but the real healing didnt start till the
mixing point.
Posted 13 April 2014 - 11:01 PM
Uroboros
MERCELESS ONE, on 13 Apr 2014 - 23:01, said:
i practice taoist alchemy, a good book on this is TAOIST YOGA
ALCHEMY AND IMMORTALITY.

it healed as much as it could but the real healing didnt start till
the mixing point.

I have that book...I find it difficult to decipher, especially finding
where to start and how to start.

Do you have a teacher or was it by the book?
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Funny, I picked it up yesterday to read again....

Seems to be time.

Ahh, so similar to my experience...Most stuff just does not heal the
pre-natal damage..So the mix was when it really kicked in, eh.
Good to know.

Thanks MERCELESS.
MERCELESS ONE
Uroboros, on 13 Apr 2014 - 23:09, said:
I have that book...I find it difficult to decipher, especially
finding where to start and how to start.

Do you have a teacher or was it by the book?

Funny, I picked it up yesterday to read again....

Seems to be time.

Ahh, so similar to my experience...Most stuff just does not heal
the pre-natal damage..So the mix was when it really kicked in,
eh. Good to know.

Thanks MERCELESS.
a little of both, but i mainly learned from practice! in other words
im pretty much self taught the teachers i came in contact that were
light years ahead of me confirmed my suspicions lol. the taoist
yoga book can only be deciphered after practicing and
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understanding alchemy. understanding alchemy through practice
and practical application.
Andrei
Yes I agree with Merceless, you understand metaphors in the
books after you practiced them, never before.
Posted 13 April 2014 - 11:23 PM
Uroboros
MERCELESS ONE, on 13 Apr 2014 - 23:19, said:
a little of both, but i mainly learned from practice! in other
words im pretty much self taught the teachers i came in contact
that were light years ahead of me confirmed my suspicions lol.
the taoist yoga book can only be deciphered after practicing and
understanding alchemy. understanding alchemy through
practice and practical application.

Andrei, on 13 Apr 2014 - 23:23, said:
Yes I agree with Merceless, you understand metaphors in the
books after you practiced them, never before.

So you read the book, applied the techniques as best you could,
studied alchemy and then course corrected as you went along?
Posted 13 April 2014 - 11:27 PM
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Quote
The technique is described in Wang Liping book, I highly
recommend to buy that book, because that technique is
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essential, and even if this technique is all over the internet in
various forms it is not correct, only WLP has the correct form of
it.
Yes awesome book!
Daoist Yoga too!
great work guys!

team work!

yes, do take it easy with these new exercises

I promise you that great power will come- just don't over do it in
the beginning

Also keep those Kua/hip joints open.
Edited by SonOfTheGods, 13 April 2014 - 11:44 PM.
MERCELESS ONE
Uroboros, on 13 Apr 2014 - 23:27, said:
So you read the book, applied the techniques as best you could,
studied alchemy and then course corrected as you went along?
not quite ive been practicing for about 16 years, i learned to mix
before reading this book but had no idea what to do next. it just
helped me with the next steps.
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Opening Third Eye
Started by SonOfTheGods, Apr 12 2014 12:43 PM
Third Eye Third Eye,,
Uroboros
SonOfTheGods, on 13 Apr 2014 - 23:41, said:
Yes awesome book!
Daoist Yoga too!
great work guys!

team work!

yes, do take it easy with these new exercises

I promise you that great power will come- just don't over do it in
the beginning

Also keep those Kua/hip joints open.

YEA! TEAMWORK!

Team awesome! -free trade label-

Im taking it easy with them...mucho excited bout it, though.

I did 15 minutes in full lotus, my legs and kwa are twinging after
it.
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Are you saying that the book by Wang Li Ping is a must have?
Uroboros
MERCELESS ONE, on 13 Apr 2014 - 23:50, said:
not quite ive been practicing for about 16 years, i learned to mix
before reading this book but had no idea what to do next. it just
helped me with the next steps.

Oh, wow. So you have been at it for awhile.

You made lots of progress! Congratulations!

Good reference to have, then, eh
Posted 13 April 2014 - 11:58 PM
MERCELESS ONE
Uroboros, on 13 Apr 2014 - 23:58, said:
Oh, wow. So you have been at it for awhile.

You made lots of progress! Congratulations!

Good reference to have, then, eh
lol thanks!
Posted 14 April 2014 - 12:05 AM
MooNiNite
Andrei, on 13 Apr 2014 - 21:34, said:
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Just be careful not to overdo this exercise. If burning sensation
in mingmen increases you are looking for trouble. The heat will
invade the liver and you are screwed. Do you see that fire in the
ming men area? That is a sign that the desired effect was
obtained but you should go to the next step now. What you did
until now was "lighting the fire". But if you do too much the
forest will burn, the forest being the liver. So you have a fire in
the prostate and a fire in the mingmen which means you have
the yang Qi but you need to put in the cauldron the other
ingredients and cook them.

Hi Andrei,

Question:

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is there an "orbit' one can do with just the head? IT looks like a
road going around the area of the head.

I only ask because it reminds me of a practice called "Ankhing"
where one moves the energy above and below the head and then
through the neck and then around again. almost like an orbit, but
exclusively for the head.
tendou
Uroboros, on 13 Apr 2014 - 23:58, said:
Oh, wow. So you have been at it for awhile.

You made lots of progress! Congratulations!

Good reference to have, then, eh
Have you been training for the full lotus long? Or do you just jump
into it?
Posted 14 April 2014 - 07:30 AM
joeblast
tendou, on 14 Apr 2014 - 07:30, said:
Have you been training for the full lotus long? Or do you just
jump into it?
I always thought you had to train to jump into it

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MERCELESS ONE
tendou, on 14 Apr 2014 - 07:30, said:
Have you been training for the full lotus long? Or do you just
jump into it?
my legs are way to stiff to do full lotus im only at half lotus
although i stretch regularly my exercises dont allow for maximum
flexibility. lots of weightlifting, cardio and martial arts.
Posted 14 April 2014 - 11:55 AM
MERCELESS ONE
tendou, on 14 Apr 2014 - 07:30, said:
Have you been training for the full lotus long? Or do you just
jump into it?
if your flexible enough you can jump rite intol it if not work up to
it, or suffer severe pain.
Posted 14 April 2014 - 11:56 AM
MooNiNite
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As consciousness expands the body becomes more flexible
Edited by MooNiNite, 14 April 2014 - 04:39 PM.
Andrei
MooNiNite, on 14 Apr 2014 - 00:43, said:
Hi Andrei,

Question:

is there an "orbit' one can do with just the head? IT looks like a
road going around the area of the head.

I only ask because it reminds me of a practice called "Ankhing"
where one moves the energy above and below the head and then
through the neck and then around again. almost like an orbit,
but exclusively for the head.

Well, I don't know about Ankh meditation, what I know is
standard Taoist advice, don't mess with the energy in the head
cause you cook your brain. The best you can have would be a
headache (which by the way comes from overheating the liver and
gall bladder through the gallbladder yang meridian - this is what
in western medicine they call "migrane" that has no cure and no
explanation from western medicine except you take tylenol which
is a beta-bloquer).

The two rainbows connecting simbolize the connection of the Jen
Mai and Tu Mai channels (Governor and Conception).
The "blue-eyed monk" is the tongue that has to be lifted to touch
the mouth palate. The mouth is like a cave and you have there a
pool which is called "heavenly pool". That pool simbolize the
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salivary glands below the tongue. Also you can see there is a
stream of water flowing and filling the pool that flow from the
ceiling of the cavern. This stream is the "Sweet nectar" or the elixir
you feel flowing from sinuses during meditation which has a thick
and sweet taste. This fluid in not quite mucus, it is something in
between mucus and saliva but actually is flowing from the
pituitary gland through nasal sinuses into the mouth. This is the
elixir you are suppose to swallow because contains hormones from
pituitary gland. And this is not the exercise commonly called
"swallowing the saliva". You can swallow a lot of phlegm or saliva
but it won't contain any hormones or elixirs in it, it has to be
processed, or cooked after an hour or so of meditation. They say in
texts that "The elixir can be obtained in one hour" by anybody,
because anybody has the immortality elixir inside them. You just
need to apply the correct technique, which is quite simple but this
is the reason was wrapped in such a complex mesh of alchemical
terms and secrets and what not. Anyway I digress, you are
supposed to swallow the saliva or whatever is flowing from the
sinuses during and after at least one hour of meditation.
Edited by Andrei, 14 April 2014 - 05:26 PM.
Uroboros
Andrei, on 14 Apr 2014 - 17:21, said:
Well, I don't know about Ankh meditation, what I know is
standard Taoist advice, don't mess with the energy in the head
cause you cook your brain. The best you can have would be a
headache (which by the way comes from overheating the liver
and gall bladder through the gallbladder yang meridian - this is
what in western medicine they call "migrane" that has no cure
and no explanation from western medicine except you take
tylenol which is a beta-bloquer).
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The two rainbows connecting simbolize the connection of the
Jen Mai and Tu Mai channels (Governor and Conception).
The "blue-eyed monk" is the tongue that has to be lifted to touch
the mouth palate. The mouth is like a cave and you have there a
pool which is called "heavenly pool". That pool simbolize the
salivary glands below the tongue. Also you can see there is a
stream of water flowing and filling the pool that flow from the
ceiling of the cavern. This stream is the "Sweet dew" or the elixir
you feel flowing from sinuses during meditation which has a
thick and sweet taste. This fluid in not quite mucus, it is
something in between mucus and saliva but actually is flowing
from the pituitary gland through nasal sinuses into the mouth.
This is the elixir you are suppose to swallow because contains
hormones from pituitary gland. And this is not the exercise
commonly called "swallowing the saliva". You can swallow a lot
of phlegm or saliva but it won't contain any hormones or elixirs
in it, it has to be processed, or cooked after an hour or so of
meditation. They say in texts that "The elixir can be obtained in
one hour" by anybody, because anybody has the immortality
elixir inside them. You just need to apply the correct technique,
which is quite simple but this is the reason was wrapped in such
a complex mesh of alchemical terms and secrets and what not.
Anyway I digress, you are supposed to swallow the saliva or
whatever is flowing from the sinuses during and after at least
one hour of meditation.

What is the correct technique, Andrei?

Fascinating how all this was put into a painting....
Andrei
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It is in the Neigong book by Wang Liping. You have to put 7
substances in the cauldron (tripod) and cook them with a slow
fire. The 7 substances are the 5 essences from the organs (there is
a meditation in the book called 5 elements meditation) plus 2
substances which are the Yin energy of the right eye (the moon)
and the Yang energy of the left eye (the sun). You can see the
moon and the sun also in the painting.
Uroboros
Andrei, on 14 Apr 2014 - 17:33, said:
It is in the Neigong book by Wang Liping. You have to put 7
substances in the cauldron (tripod) and cook them with a slow
fire. The 7 substances are the 5 essences from the organs (there
is a meditation in the book called 5 elements meditation) plus 2
substances which are the Yin energy of the right eye (the moon)
and the Yang energy of the left eye (the sun). You can see the
moon and the sun also in the painting.

Im going to have to get that book, eh....Sweet!

Have you practiced the method in the book to know that it works?
Posted 14 April 2014 - 05:39 PM
Andrei
Yes is the only method that worked for me. I tried everithing it
is advertised here on this forum, nothing works for a Vata like me,
there is nothing that keeps me on the middle path, everything else
goes to extremes and this is not true Taoism. The true Taoism is
the thin line between Yin and Yang, and I couldn't find it
anywhere else.
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Uroboros
SonOfTheGods, on 12 Apr 2014 - 12:43, said:
A sacred marriage and union of bliss:

Inhale through nostrils using throat friction-

visualize a thin nadi/white stream of energy flowing through
your nostrils, down up your forehead- just under the thin skin
on your forehead

exhale the breathe and see it swirl at your hairline

recall what I said about energy on another thread

spirals and rotation according to your location

inhale and pull that energy under your scalp skin, just touching
the circumference of your skull, exhaling at the jade pillow,
approximately at the occipital points

inhale again and push the energy straight down the Tum Mo
channel into your Mingmen and exhale hard at that point

again swirls etc

inhale and go down around to lower tan tien and squeeze the
floor as you exhale

one long inhale and reverse the whole procedure

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do it again

10 cycles

share on here what you felt

This is Mine- you will not find these Instructions,
anywhere


I am reading QiGong Empowerment, section 2 Daoist Methods,
on the MCO.

In it he has a method for depletion of jing / weakness and how to
fortify the body.

It is VERY similar to this method!

You sit or lay on your side, fill the YinTang with qi, feel the qi fill
the forehead, then fill the body...

Thats stage 1, after a bit of doing that you change it to the method
similar to yours, SOTG.

You inhale into the YinTang and exhale down Du Mai into
MingMen.

How neat!
tendou
joeblast, on 14 Apr 2014 - 10:57, said:
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I always thought you had to train to jump into it

That's crazy. Haha
MERCELESS ONE, on 14 Apr 2014 - 11:55, said:
my legs are way to stiff to do full lotus im only at half lotus
although i stretch regularly my exercises dont allow for
maximum flexibility. lots of weightlifting, cardio and martial
arts.
MERCELESS ONE, on 14 Apr 2014 - 11:56, said:
if your flexible enough you can jump rite intol it if not work up
to it, or suffer severe pain.
More than pain, need to avoid injury. I also do martial arts
sometime. So protection the knee is important. Need to go slowly.
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MY Bone Breathing Technique
Started by SonOfTheGods, Apr 13 2014 12:58 PM
Bone Breathing Bone Breathing,,
SonOfTheGods
You won't find this technique anywhere because it is
Mine

You will need:

One Ink Marker

One source of high pitch frequency such as the high note on a
Harmonica, Hi-pitch whistle, etc


If you are right handed, look at your left inside forearm:


Draw a Circle in the middle of your left inside forearm with the
ink marker-
about the size of a half dollar.
Google an Image of it if you don't know

Look at the circle you just drew and become one with it-
focus on your lower tan tien, while staring at it

now slap it hard
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feel it sting

inhale into your lower tan tien while absorbing that sting

feel the sting fade as you exhale through that circle

do that about 5 times


Now stare at your circle, slap it- this time however, inhale while
having the high pitched end of your harmonica to your pursed lips

the inhale causes the reed to vibrate

Feel that high note with the sting- while inhaling

make it one

The sting will start to resonate with the high pitch

repeat that again 5 more times


Now- Inhale and only recall to mind, the sting and high pitch
resonating feeling from before, while staring at that circle

Do this everyday AFTER your daily cultivation routine

let us know what happened, results, etc


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Edited by SonOfTheGods, 13 April 2014 - 01:00 PM.
SonOfTheGods
SonOfTheGods, on 13 Apr 2014 - 12:58, said:
You won't find this technique anywhere because it is
Mine

You will need:

One Ink Marker

One source of high pitch frequency such as the high note on a
Harmonica, Hi-pitch whistle, etc


If you are right handed, look at your left inside forearm:


Draw a Circle in the middle of your left inside forearm with the
ink marker-
about the size of a half dollar.
Google an Image of it if you don't know

Look at the circle you just drew and become one with it-
focus on your lower tan tien, while staring at it

now slap it hard

feel it sting

inhale into your lower tan tien while absorbing that sting

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feel the sting fade as you exhale through that circle

do that about 5 times


Now stare at your circle, slap it- this time however, inhale while
having the high pitched end of your harmonica to your pursed
lips

the inhale causes the reed to vibrate

Feel that high note with the sting- while inhaling

make it one

The sting will start to resonate with the high pitch

repeat that again 5 more times


Now- Inhale and only recall to mind, the sting and high pitch
resonating feeling from before, while staring at that circle

Do this everyday AFTER your daily cultivation routine

let us know what happened, results, etc

Try it before asking questions about how to do it

You will find by actually doing it- it is simple and natural
thamosh
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Bone breathing isnt enough......

It only gets you so far.

Yes it can be used to create jing thats tru but it doesnt build raw
power it just transforms the energy you have into jing.

Dorian black posted on that space panda forum that he was told
by his teacher that he couldnt set things on fire and doubted if it
was possible.

Theres a reason for this.....
SonOfTheGods
thamosh, on 13 Apr 2014 - 13:09, said:
Bone breathing isnt enough......

It only gets you so far.

Yes it can be used to create jing thats tru but it doesnt build raw
power it just transforms the energy you have into jing.

Theres a reason for this.....

I agree
Posted 13 April 2014 - 01:10 PM
SonOfTheGods
My OP is only Step 1- obviously
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thamosh
Well condensing breathing isnt spiritual at all.

That type of internal power isnt an attainment. If it was you would
be able to stop doing condensing breathing and your power would
remain even after sex.

Bone breathing wont cause the required alchemic reaction at the
ldt.

That type of internal power is different than the internal power of
jing thru bone breathing.
Edited by thamosh, 13 April 2014 - 01:27 PM.
Posted 13 April 2014 - 01:26 PM
SonOfTheGods
thamosh, on 13 Apr 2014 - 13:26, said:
Well condensing breathing isnt spiritual at all.

That type of internal power isnt an attainment. If it was you
would be able to stop doing condensing breathing and your
power would remain even after sex.

Bone breathing wont cause the required alchemic reaction at the
ldt.

That type of internal power is different than the internal power
of jing thru bone breathing.

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After I orgasm I still retain full power

Bone breathing is part of the whole, and an essential process

This is why I made another topic called "Neidan"

So - if you decide you no longer want to be cryptic- tell us what it
is you are hinting at
Edited by SonOfTheGods, 13 April 2014 - 02:01 PM.
thamosh
SonOfTheGods, on 13 Apr 2014 - 13:33, said:
After I orgasm I still retain full power

Bone breathing is part of the whole, and an essential process

This is why I made another topic called "Neidan"

So - if you decide you no longer want to be cryptic- tell us what
it is you are hinting at


I was pretty clear what was unclear?
Posted 13 April 2014 - 02:13 PM
thamosh
it may seem cryptic if you dont understand it...
Posted 13 April 2014 - 02:14 PM
SonOfTheGods
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thamosh
SonOfTheGods, on 13 Apr 2014 - 14:28, said:


Posting pictures of cats?

Well that makes about as much sense as the condensing breathing
you do.

If i wanted to be cruel I could have posted nothing and just
watched and laughed to myself.

You dont need it its just a waste of time.

Chris Matsuo doesnt do it and he has jing, Richard Clear doesnt
do it and he has jing, and I could go on and on but you should see
my point.

To be honest it just seems like your confused about things.
Posted 13 April 2014 - 02:55 PM
SonOfTheGods
thamosh, on 13 Apr 2014 - 14:55, said:
Posting pictures of cats?

Well that makes about as much sense as the condensing
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breathing you do.

If i wanted to be cruel I could have posted nothing and just
watched and laughed to myself.

You dont need it its just a waste of time.

Chris Matsuo doesnt do it and he has jing, Richard Clear doesnt
do it and he has jing, and I could go on and on but you should
see my point.

To be honest it just seems like your confused about things.
I could have deleted your post(s) too but was giving you the
benefit of the doubt

You did this on my last PPF too

if you have something to say- say it

I dont care what other instructors do, or have etc

I am posting info to help beginners

there is nothing confusing here

bone breathing is a part

so is focusing on the LDT

so is breathing

so is eating

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if you have a point then spill it

or back and laugh to yourself

you have nothing to say- just that obviously I'm wrong and you're
right
thamosh
Bone breathing is not part of it.

Bone breathing came into the chikung world from 2 sources both
sources come from 2 different systems.

Teachings from these systems from the 2 sources to the mass was
incomplete and utterly wrong.
Posted 13 April 2014 - 03:06 PM
SonOfTheGods
thamosh, on 13 Apr 2014 - 15:06, said:
Bone breathing is not part of it.

Bone breathing came into the chikung world from 2 sources
both sources come from 2 different systems.

Teachings from these systems from the 2 sources to the mass
was incomplete and utterly wrong.

so tell us then- what is it ?


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P.S. I Will Not be surprised if You do Not answer
Edited by SonOfTheGods, 13 April 2014 - 03:24 PM.
thamosh
SonOfTheGods, on 13 Apr 2014 - 15:08, said:
so tell us then- what is it ?





P.S. I Will Not be surprised if You do Not answer


Thats not my point the point is you dont need it.

It doesnt build the ldt it doesnt open the 3rd eye and its not
required to run the mco.

The only thing that it actually "does" is charge and burn the fat out
the bone marrow.

But any meditation will do that in time anyways.

Plus certain meditations run the chi thru the bbones differently if
your doing condensing breathing it could conflict with the packing
method causeing irregular musle twitches at first.

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Plus the body gives off its own heat and funk you do not suck that
back into your body....that is wrong.

The vibration is created by the wood organs the liver and gall
bladder which is connected to the wood element which is
connected to chen(thunder).

Proper alchemy always starts by strengtening the kidneys first.

By doing condensing breathing to soon you can cause liver illness
which will manifest in green stool. Which will hurt your
progression in the future.

So if I was to advise any practitioner to do or not to do condensing
breathing id say not to do it.

Id say just spend the time doing lower belly breathing. Which will
strengthen the kidneys which will strenghten the liver which will
cause you to buzz and that buzz thru time will circulate thru the
bones and so on.
Edited by thamosh, 13 April 2014 - 03:42 PM.
thamosh
So basically condensing breathing will at some point stop the
progression of your internal power. It taxes the liver and
gallbladder too much without strenghtening the kidneys.

So then the question would be is there a meditation that
strengthens the kidneys and builds a vibration in the body at the
same time?....

If a meditation like this is practiced then the practitioner will
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generate heat (kidneys/fire) and a powerful deep vibration
liver(wood/thunder).

This is thinking like a practitioner.

Now how would one find a method like this what would be some
things to search for....

Some keywords might be rejuvenation, healing, and martial
power.

then followup would have to be done by talking to the instructor
teaching it. To confirm that this method does what you are looking
for.
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MY Bone Breathing Technique
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Bone Breathing Bone Breathing,,
SonOfTheGods
Study ties breathing problems, asthma to bone loss
http://www.reuters.c...EA3A1TK20140411
(http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/11/us-breathing-
problems-idUSBREA3A1TK20140411)


Quote
(Reuters Health) - People with asthma-related breathing
problems may be at increased risk for bone loss, according to a
new study.
The study examined the records of more than 7,000 adults in
Seoul, Korea, and found those with a certain characteristic of
asthma had significantly lower bone density in a region of their
spine than those without asthma symptoms.
Edited by SonOfTheGods, 13 April 2014 - 06:01 PM.
Posted 13 April 2014 - 05:59 PM
SonOfTheGods
Bone Marrow Qigong (Bone Breathing)
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Also the joints benefit from the exercises
Breathe into your bones
Improve your health by rejuvenating your bone marrow and
blood
Bones are extremely porous, and they are always "breathing". The
pores allow the passage of oxygen, blood, and nutrition through
the bones in the same way a sponge absorbs and releases water.
Learn the step-by-step practices in a useful and informative way
for the health and spiritual well-being of today's world.
Bone Marrow Qigong cleanses the bone marrow and uses internal
power to improve blood quality and add vitality. Poor nutrition,
sugar and acidic food can be the cause of bone marrow reduction
and loss of vitality & quality of life. The Bone Marrow Breathing
practice can help you revitalize and regrow the bone marrow by
bringing Qi into the bones. Bone Breathing draws external Qi
(energy) in through skin, muscles, and tendons to be combined
with our Qi and compressed into the marrow of the bones through
the Bone Compression practice. It is very simple.
The "Bone Breathing" guides to a deep inner relaxation. This will
energize the body all the way into the bones and bone marrow.
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You also can do this practice, while laying down.
Private sessions with Gabrielle in Christchurch are available.
Healthy bones and the production of blood
Hips and pelvis produce white blood cells
Bone Breathing brings density into the bones
Red blood cells are produced by the long bones of the body such as
those found in the shins, thighs and arms. They circulate oxygen
and eliminate carbon dioxide. White blood cells are produced by
the flat bones such as the pelvis, sternum, scapulae and skull.
They are vital to the body's defense system. Both red and white
blood cells are produced in the marrow of the bones.
Healthy bones contain more red marrow, which produces blood
cells. Yellow bone marrow also exists, producing fat which
accumulates as the body ages. Although yellow marrow can
produce blood cells, healthy blood production is contingent upon a
higher proportion of red marrow in the bones and less fat. For this
reason. Bone Marrow Nei Kung practitioners always seek to
increase the growth of red marrow while eliminating fat.
Qi Flow Assists the Heart
The Dao regards the heart as both a muscle and a vital organ. Even
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a strong heart should never be overworked. The heart never truly
rests from the time it begins to beat. As blood carries oxygen and
nutrients throughout the body, its circulation can be a burden to
the heart if physical stress remains constant. When energized with
Qi, however, the blood becomes lighter and easier to move,
allowing the heart to work less and maintain a higher energy level.
The Bone Marrow Nei Kung helps to develop the Qi flow while
improving the heart's capabilities.
Improving the Heart Function
The process of Bone Breathing can relieve the heart of excessive
work while increasing circulation in other parts of the body.
"Nei Kung" means "practicing with your internal power"
and implies building body-mind power without using physical
breathing techniques. Mental concentration, internal imaging, and
development of a deep inner sensing of psycho-physical processes
are the marks of Nei Kung.



http://www.taomotion...bone-breathing/
(http://www.taomotion.com/en/seminars/bone-breathing/)
SonOfTheGods
You can find instructions about -bone
breathing/condensing breathing in - Waysun Liao T'ai
Chi Classics

so don't tell me I am mixing up systems


You can argue with the Hermetic Magick group. too

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They use Pore Breathing as well.

Franz Bardon especially


I am done proving my point.
Edited by SonOfTheGods, 13 April 2014 - 06:27 PM.
Uroboros
SonOfTheGods, on 13 Apr 2014 - 12:58, said:
You won't find this technique anywhere because it is
Mine

You will need:

One Ink Marker

One source of high pitch frequency such as the high note on a
Harmonica, Hi-pitch whistle, etc


If you are right handed, look at your left inside forearm:


Draw a Circle in the middle of your left inside forearm with the
ink marker-
about the size of a half dollar.
Google an Image of it if you don't know

Look at the circle you just drew and become one with it-
focus on your lower tan tien, while staring at it
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now slap it hard

feel it sting

inhale into your lower tan tien while absorbing that sting

feel the sting fade as you exhale through that circle

do that about 5 times


Now stare at your circle, slap it- this time however, inhale while
having the high pitched end of your harmonica to your pursed
lips

the inhale causes the reed to vibrate

Feel that high note with the sting- while inhaling

make it one

The sting will start to resonate with the high pitch

repeat that again 5 more times


Now- Inhale and only recall to mind, the sting and high pitch
resonating feeling from before, while staring at that circle

Do this everyday AFTER your daily cultivation routine

let us know what happened, results, etc
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I did this exercise as prescribed.

At the end, using the mind create the sensation, the
stinging+squealing buzz sinked through the skin of my arm and
into my bone...then it resonated through my whole forearm and a
bit into the rest of my arm into my shoulder.

Could I use this mix of sting+squeal on any bone area?

I tried it on my pelvis and it felt...nice.. I felt the sensation move
towards my sacrum and up a bit.
SonOfTheGods
Uroboros, on 13 Apr 2014 - 19:21, said:
I did this exercise as prescribed.

At the end, using the mind create the sensation, the
stinging+squealing buzz sinked through the skin of my arm and
into my bone...then it resonated through my whole forearm and
a bit into the rest of my arm into my shoulder.

Could I use this mix of sting+squeal on any bone area?

I tried it on my pelvis and it felt...nice.. I felt the sensation move
towards my sacrum and up a bit.
keep at it on both forearms then both inside shin bone for a week
first
Posted 13 April 2014 - 07:54 PM
Uroboros
Posted 13 April 2014 - 07:59 PM
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SonOfTheGods, on 13 Apr 2014 - 19:54, said:
keep at it on both forearms then both inside shin bone for a
week first

Gotcha!

Is there a limit of time I should keep it each day?
thamosh
Hmm you seem to misunderstand everything i said.......

Ya know what good luck with your condensing breathing.... pm me
when you can set stuff on fire
Posted 13 April 2014 - 08:48 PM
SonOfTheGods
thamosh, on 13 Apr 2014 - 20:48, said:
Hmm you seem to misunderstand everything i said.......

Ya know what good luck with your condensing breathing.... pm
me when you can set stuff on fire

Thamosh, you said I shouldn't be teaching Bone Breathing
because I am confused and mixing systems.
Then I gave you proof that I am not mixing systems, and you are
the one confused- now you are trying to get out of your mess.

*Opening the Dragon Gate is the authorized biography of
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Wang Liping- the same Wang Liping who wrote
Ling Bao Tong Zhi Neng Nei Gong Shu -- Long Men Pai
(Dragon Gate Lineage)... have as Introductory exercises-
Pore Breathing the whole body- including Tan Tien

*Waysun Liao T'ai Chi Classics teach Condensed
Breathing/Bone Breathing

*As Mantak Chia

*And also Gary Clyman

so obviously I am not the one confused, nor am I the guy who is
mixing traditions.

Let's face facts here now Thamosh-

You spoke on the telephone with Jim McMillan a couple of times
and think you're some type of big shot now.
You were banned as Pure Truth and snuck back in TTB under this
name - Thamosh
You got pissed off because I gave McMillan a mediocre review in
my previous PPF about MoPai

You trolled my previous PPF and now you are trolling this
NeiGong Forum PPF.

The problem here is I have a limited amount of time I can spend
online.

I use that time to post on this and answer Private Messages and
Emails from people who actually want to learn.

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Now my time is being wasted playing your games again.

People like you are the reason why teachers will never come to
TaoBums.

I could care less about "lighting fires" with lightening bolts
shooting out my hands.

Unless you are Prometheus, it is 2014- I can use a Lighter to
light fire now.


if you wanted to discuss things and disagree with me, that's cool.

You start off by saying:

In MY Opinion, or In My Experience-- I disagree with your
premise...

Not like you said "I can laugh at you"

I am also done discussing this with you.

let's leave it alone now.

Thank you
___________________

These are ALL YOUR QUOTES- THAMOSH
thamosh, on 13 Apr 2014 - 13:26, said:
thamosh, on 13 Apr 2014 - 13:26, said:

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Well condensing breathing isnt spiritual at all.
That type of internal power isnt an attainment. If it was you
would be able to stop doing condensing breathing and your
power would remain even after sex.
Bone breathing wont cause the required alchemic reaction at the
ldt.
That type of internal power is different than the internal power
of jing thru bone breathing.
thamosh, on 13 Apr 2014 - 14:13, said:
I was pretty clear what was unclear?
thamosh, on 13 Apr 2014 - 14:14, said:
it may seem cryptic if you dont understand it...
thamosh, on 13 Apr 2014 - 14:55, said:
Well that makes about as much sense as the condensing
breathing you do.
If i wanted to be cruel I could have posted nothing and just
watched and laughed to myself.
You dont need it its just a waste of time.
Chris Matsuo doesnt do it and he has jing, Richard Clear doesnt
do it and he has jing, and I could go on and on but you should
see my point.
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Topic Moderation Back to SonOfTheGods
To be honest it just seems like your confused about things.
thamosh, on 13 Apr 2014 - 15:06, said:
Bone breathing is not part of it.
Bone breathing came into the chikung world from 2 sources
both sources come from 2 different systems.
Teachings from these systems from the 2 sources to the mass
was incomplete and utterly wrong.
thamosh, on 13 Apr 2014 - 15:35, said:
Thats not my point the point is you dont need it.
It doesnt build the ldt it doesnt open the 3rd eye and its not
required to run the mco.
The only thing that it actually "does" is charge and burn the fat
out the bone marrow.
But any meditation will do that in time anyways.

So basically condensing breathing will at some point stop the
progression of your internal power.
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Bone Breathing, condensed
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MY Bone Breathing Technique #2
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Bone Breathing Bone Breathing,, condensed condensed,,
SonOfTheGods
I had to lock the other thread because Thamosh kept
trolling it

-sorry guys

But just continue on this thread
Posted 14 April 2014 - 10:28 AM
SonOfTheGods
Quote
Posted Yesterday, 12:58 PM
You won't find this technique anywhere because it is
Mine

You will need:

One Ink Marker

One source of high pitch frequency such as the high note on a
Harmonica, Hi-pitch whistle, etc


Posted 14 April 2014 - 10:30 AM
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If you are right handed, look at your left inside forearm:


Draw a Circle in the middle of your left inside forearm with the
ink marker-
about the size of a half dollar.
Google an Image of it if you don't know

Look at the circle you just drew and become one with it-
focus on your lower tan tien, while staring at it

now slap it hard

feel it sting

inhale into your lower tan tien while absorbing that sting

feel the sting fade as you exhale through that circle

do that about 5 times


Now stare at your circle, slap it- this time however, inhale while
having the high pitched end of your harmonica to your pursed
lips

the inhale causes the reed to vibrate

Feel that high note with the sting- while inhaling

make it one

The sting will start to resonate with the high pitch
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repeat that again 5 more times


Now- Inhale and only recall to mind, the sting and high pitch
resonating feeling from before, while staring at that circle

Do this everyday AFTER your daily cultivation routine

let us know what happened, results, etc
joeblast
oh my sweet 4KHz fork
Posted 14 April 2014 - 10:50 AM
SonOfTheGods
NeiGong and those who teach Bone Breathing.


*Opening the Dragon Gate is the authorized biography of
Wang Liping-

the same Wang Liping who wrote:
Ling Bao Tong Zhi Neng Nei Gong Shu -

- Long Men Pai (Dragon Gate Lineage)... have as
Introductory exercises- Pore Breathing the whole body-
including Tan Tien

*Waysun Liao T'ai Chi Classics teach Condensed
Posted 15 April 2014 - 12:11 PM
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Breathing/Bone Breathing

*Mantak Chia
*Gary Clyman

*Dr. Yang, Jwing-Ming:
Dr. Yang, Jwing-Ming:Bone Marrow : According to theory of
Muscle/Tendon Changing and Brain/Marrow Washing
Qigong (Yi Jin Jing, Xi Sui Jing, ), the qi enters
the bone marrow through the joint areas. Whenever the
joints are moving, qi will build to a higher potential of storage.
When the body relaxes, the qi accumulated will either be
dissipated outward through the skin or enter into the bone
marrow to nourish it. Since taiji ball qigong focuses on joint
exercises, and through the correct breathing technique, the qi
can be led inward to the bone marrow effectively. This is the
crucial key of slowing aging.
- See more at: http://ymaa.com/arti...h.QF4PDBiV.dpuf
(http://ymaa.com/articles/2013/03/taiji-ball-qigong-theory-
of-physical-conditioning#sthash.QF4PDBiV.dpuf)
If you are interested in knowing more about Muscle/Tendon
Changing and Brain/Marrow Washing Qigong, please refer to
the book, QigongThe Secret of Youth, published by YMAA
Publication Center.
Edited by SonOfTheGods, 15 April 2014 - 12:12 PM.
SonOfTheGods
Posted 15 April 2014 - 12:14 PM
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SonOfTheGods, on 15 Apr 2014 - 12:11, said:
NeiGong and those who teach Bone Breathing.


*Opening the Dragon Gate is the authorized biography
of Wang Liping-

the same Wang Liping who wrote:
Ling Bao Tong Zhi Neng Nei Gong Shu -

- Long Men Pai (Dragon Gate Lineage)... have as
Introductory exercises- Pore Breathing the whole
body- including Tan Tien

*Waysun Liao T'ai Chi Classics teach Condensed
Breathing/Bone Breathing

*Mantak Chia
*Gary Clyman

*Dr. Yang, Jwing-Ming:
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Dr. Yang, Jwing-Ming:Bone Marrow : According to theory of
Muscle/Tendon Changing and Brain/Marrow Washing
Qigong (Yi Jin Jing, Xi Sui Jing, ), the qi enters
the bone marrow through the joint areas. Whenever the
joints are moving, qi will build to a higher potential of storage.
When the body relaxes, the qi accumulated will either be
dissipated outward through the skin or enter into the bone
marrow to nourish it. Since taiji ball qigong focuses on joint
exercises, and through the correct breathing technique, the qi
can be led inward to the bone marrow effectively. This is the
crucial key of slowing aging.
- See more at: http://ymaa.com/arti...h.QF4PDBiV.dpuf
(http://ymaa.com/articles/2013/03/taiji-ball-qigong-theory-
of-physical-conditioning#sthash.QF4PDBiV.dpuf)
If you are interested in knowing more about Muscle/Tendon
Changing and Brain/Marrow Washing Qigong, please refer to
the book, QigongThe Secret of Youth, published by YMAA
Publication Center.
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SonOfTheGods
Posted 15 April 2014 - 12:19 PM
Uroboros
I have been doing this for a few days so far.

At the last stage, slap+sound+ mind, I mirror the circle and the
sensations on my other arm.

When I am inhaling, the sensation+sound go into my arms, feels
like the bones and the resonates through them up near the
shoulder. it gets weaker as it goes along past the circle on the
forearm.
Posted 16 April 2014 - 02:20 AM
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SonOfTheGods
Uroboros, on 16 Apr 2014 - 02:20, said:
I have been doing this for a few days so far.

At the last stage, slap+sound+ mind, I mirror the circle and the
sensations on my other arm.

When I am inhaling, the sensation+sound go into my arms,
feels like the bones and the resonates through them up near the
shoulder. it gets weaker as it goes along past the circle on the
forearm.

Basically- Intermediate version of my technique: would be
to draw a wide line with the ink marker- rather than a circle.

Draw the line from Laogong hand point- to Daling wrist point
all the way up inside of your forearm (inside your forearm = Qi
flow pulling up toward your arm pit)- up past the bicep- into
your arm pit- to your pectoral muscle

Both arms

Both legs- from Bubbling Springs up your legs- into Kua
points/hip and into Pelvis

We are not connecting Torso yet

That will be Advanced- which consists of other components too
Posted 16 April 2014 - 10:47 AM
SonOfTheGods
Posted 16 April 2014 - 10:50 AM
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Remember energy spirals in counterclockwise spiral TOWARDS
your head if your arm is extended out- traveling inner forearm--

(if in Aust.ralia, etc - energy would be clockwise)
Edited by SonOfTheGods, 16 April 2014 - 10:51 AM.
SonOfTheGods
Ling Bao Tong Zhi Neng Nei Gong Shu: Beginners Exercise
has Pore Breathing To Edge of Universe, Inhale into TanTien

Exhale back out to Edge of Universe.

SonOfTheGods, on 15 Apr 2014 - 12:11, said:
NeiGong and those who teach Bone Breathing.


*Opening the Dragon Gate is the authorized biography
of Wang Liping-

the same Wang Liping who wrote:
Ling Bao Tong Zhi Neng Nei Gong Shu -

- Long Men Pai (Dragon Gate Lineage)... have as
Introductory exercises- Pore Breathing the whole
body- including Tan Tien

Posted 16 April 2014 - 10:54 AM
SonOfTheGods
Posted 16 April 2014 - 11:03 AM
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Taoist Yoga and Sexual Energy:
...you will learn many breathing techniques, including
hair breathing, reverse breathing, bone marrow
breathing, and several more.
http://www.amazon.co...g/dp/1567188346
(http://www.amazon.com/Taoist-Yoga-Sexual-Energy-
Transforming/dp/1567188346)
Uroboros
SonOfTheGods, on 16 Apr 2014 - 10:47, said:
Basically- Intermediate version of my technique: would
be to draw a wide line with the ink marker- rather than a
circle.

Draw the line from Laogong hand point- to Daling wrist point
all the way up inside of your forearm (inside your forearm =
Qi flow pulling up toward your arm pit)- up past the bicep-
into your arm pit- to your pectoral muscle

Both arms

Both legs- from Bubbling Springs up your legs- into Kua
points/hip and into Pelvis

We are not connecting Torso yet

That will be Advanced- which consists of other components too

Since I feel the resonance in that center line path of my arms,
should I start the intermediate version?
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joeblast
Uroboros, on 16 Apr 2014 - 15:10, said:
Since I feel the resonance in that center line path of my arms,
should I start the intermediate version?
supplement that with some of my laogung breathing stuff I've
talked about and once you feel those results, extrapolate to the
yongquan analogue
Posted 16 April 2014 - 03:12 PM
Uroboros
joeblast, on 16 Apr 2014 - 15:12, said:
supplement that with some of my laogung breathing stuff I've
talked about and once you feel those results, extrapolate to
the yongquan analogue

If I breathe in through the LaoGung, I can feel the breath moving
through the center of my arms straight into my chest....How cool!

I will add this. Thanks, Joe!

Edit- after doing a little, maybe 10 breaths, I get lightheaded and
very high. Ungrounded, buzzing with energy without root or
center...not a good feeling.
Edited by Uroboros, 16 April 2014 - 03:45 PM.
Posted 16 April 2014 - 03:21 PM
joeblast
keep your attention at the laogung, stay out of your head
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whenever I do this, the polarity flips at the elbow and immediately
exits at the next polarity reversal (e.g. shu point on the back)...no
yin felt, like punching a block of wood and the other end of the
wood "moves" ....potential hits yin and there's like no "yin travel"
or "travel time" it just bangs right out at the next yang spot.

if that aint enough for you...oh...
ok.
on the inhale bring potential from the niwan down to the heart
center... what's that channel portion called from niwan to heart
center, max just mentioned it in that radio show TI just posted
up...


bwahahaha, it like yin-packs-then-surges, yang manifests and
wraps around like a warm blanket
Edited by joeblast, 16 April 2014 - 03:57 PM.
SonOfTheGods
Yes, do like Joe said- and avoid that head center for awhile.

There are various ways to enter/exit those glands in the brain -
that comes later on in Advanced

It can get dangerous and do long term damage
Uroboros, on 16 Apr 2014 - 15:10, said:
Since I feel the resonance in that center line path of my arms,
should I start the intermediate version?


Posted 16 April 2014 - 06:06 PM
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Uroboros, on 16 Apr 2014 - 15:10, said:
Since I feel the resonance in that center line path of my arms,
should I start the intermediate version?


joeblast, on 16 Apr 2014 - 15:12, said:
supplement that with some of my laogung breathing stuff I've
talked about and once you feel those results, extrapolate to
the yongquan analogue


Uroboros, on 16 Apr 2014 - 15:21, said:
If I breathe in through the LaoGung, I can feel the breath
moving through the center of my arms straight into my
chest....How cool!

I will add this. Thanks, Joe!

Edit- after doing a little, maybe 10 breaths, I get lightheaded
and very high. Ungrounded, buzzing with energy without root
or center...not a good feeling.


joeblast, on 16 Apr 2014 - 15:53, said:
keep your attention at the laogung, stay out of your head
whenever I do this, the polarity flips at the elbow and
immediately exits at the next polarity reversal (e.g. shu point on
the back)...no yin felt, like punching a block of wood and the
other end of the wood "moves" ....potential hits yin and there's
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like no "yin travel" or "travel time" it just bangs right out at the
next yang spot.

if that aint enough for you...oh...
ok.
on the inhale bring potential from the niwan down to the heart
center... what's that channel portion called from niwan to
heart center, max just mentioned it in that radio show TI just
posted up...


bwahahaha, it like yin-packs-then-surges, yang manifests and
wraps around like a warm blanket

joeblast, on 16 Apr 2014 - 15:12, said:
supplement that with some of my laogung breathing stuff I've
talked about and once you feel those results, extrapolate to
the yongquan analogue
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Bone Breathing Bone Breathing,, condensed condensed,,
SonOfTheGods
In an Emergency: BRING YOUR AWARENESS DOWN
TO THE BASE OF YOUR PENIS

& Drop it down it Perineum/Quick mental flash of deep down- 10
feet of Earth

Uroboros, on 16 Apr 2014 - 15:21, said:

Edit- after doing a little, maybe 10 breaths, I get lightheaded
and very high. Ungrounded, buzzing with energy without root
or center...not a good feeling.

Complete it in LDT- tying up loose energies still sporadic
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Attaining deep Alpha meditative state -DISCUSSED -CHECK*

Physical Qi Balls you can make -DISCUSSED -CHECK*

Orgone Capacitors/Yang -DISCUSSED -CHECK*

Grounding Mats/Yi -DISCUSSED -CHECK*

Dowsing Rods- for Yi Fields -DISCUSSED -CHECK*

Cone for Crown

Energy Transmissions -DISCUSSED -CHECK*

Witch's Cradle -DISCUSSED -CHECK*


& more
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Posted 10 April 2014 - 12:31 PM
Green Tiger
I find a blindfold and ear plugs can be helpful, especially if I'm
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trying to meditate in a bright, or loud place. I've also heard that
Alex Gray's Mindfold (http://www.mindfold.com/) is nice.
Wu Ming Jen
Sonofthegods is going to delete me and this is why. As a
professional in Neigong all you need is a human body located
between heaven and earth.

Nooo don't push the red button, OK the black one with DEL is
fine. I respect what ever you are doing SOGs and will not be a pain
in the a$$ on your own forum, I know that is very disrespectful.
Posted 10 April 2014 - 03:53 PM
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Wu Ming Jen, on 10 Apr 2014 - 15:53, said:
Sonofthegods is going to delete me and this is why. As a
professional in Neigong all you need is a human body located
between heaven and earth.

Nooo don't push the red button, OK the black one with DEL is
fine. I respect what ever you are doing SOGs and will not be a
pain in the a$$ on your own forum, I know that is very
disrespectful.
Lol stop it!


speak up brother

No deleting for that

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*you guys know what I'm talking about with the warning* I
don't want to mention names lol I just want a peaceful forum to
converse like adults.


yes nothing is needed and I agree

These are just helpful tools and nothing more

By all means post- this would be a boring forum otherwise if
people didnt post lol
SonOfTheGods
Green Tiger, on 10 Apr 2014 - 13:22, said:
I find a blindfold and ear plugs can be helpful, especially if I'm
trying to meditate in a bright, or loud place. I've also heard that
Alex Gray's Mindfold (http://www.mindfold.com/) is nice.
The Ganzfield Effect is good too

Cut a ping ball in half and tape it over your eyes

Tune in white noise from a radio using head phones

The Witch's Cradle is another technique too
Posted 10 April 2014 - 05:56 PM
SonOfTheGods
I removed the No Trolling red warnings because I want
this forum to be fun

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All the over-trolling will just be moved to The Pit: Here
(http://thetaobums.com/topic/34439-off-topic-the-pit-kangaroo-
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tendou
Tell us about how to get into alpha state superfast and superdeep.
And what about energy transmission?
Posted 10 April 2014 - 10:05 PM
BaguaKicksAss
SotG you do realize I can make you a whole heap of sub fora for
your PPF right?
Posted 10 April 2014 - 10:58 PM
zerostao
has the 'witches cradle' been described?
Posted 11 April 2014 - 08:24 AM
Captain Mar-Vell
...
How to empty?

Verbal Components: DAO MIND NO EMPTY

Try this or similar;


Empty

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Mind

Dao

Dao

Mind

Empty

Mind

Dao

Dao

Mind

Dao

Mind

No

Mind

Dao

No

No

Dao
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Do it slowly, progressively slowing, and so on, make it up or
similar, lower the tones, relax breath deep, allow syllables to hum
or thrum from low down.

And relax all muscles allowing gravity to be only influence.

Done.

You now in Dao.

Aintcher?

It workz fer me, anyway.

But mebbe I always in Dao...

Hmm.
....
Edited by Captain Mar-Vell, 11 April 2014 - 08:33 AM.
SonOfTheGods
Ok cool thank you

BaguaKicksAss, on 10 Apr 2014 - 22:58, said:
SotG you do realize I can make you a whole heap of sub fora for
your PPF right?
Posted 11 April 2014 - 10:39 AM
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zerostao, on 11 Apr 2014 - 08:24, said:
has the 'witches cradle' been described?
Nope lol
Captain Mar-Vell
...
I try to help.

/me bows most humbly.
...
Edited by Captain Mar-Vell, 13 April 2014 - 10:30 AM.
Posted 11 April 2014 - 10:41 AM
Captain Mar-Vell
...
No-one wants a witch hunt.
...
Posted 11 April 2014 - 10:41 AM
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tendou, on 10 Apr 2014 - 22:05, said:
Tell us about how to get into alpha state superfast and
superdeep.

There's the concept of Pavlov's Dog.

Quote
During the 1890s Russian physiologist Ivan Pavlov was looking
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at salivation in dogs in response to being fed, when he noticed
that his dogs would begin to salivate whenever he entered the
room, even when he was not bringing them food.

Meaning, once you enter the Alpha state- perform a simple task,
maybe a certain Mudra- embedding into the subconscious mind
that whenever I perform this certain alpha mudra- more and
more easily I will enter this deep trance state.

As soon as my tongue touches middle palate, I am GONE.

This has been practiced over many years though.

Most of the answers to your questions are all pretty much the
same.
Practice practice and more practice.

Short cuts can be dangerous,.

Mental conditioning is key, here

In a more advanced setting I could give you shortcuts

If you were my student, in a physical setting I could give you
personal advice- but online- you could injure yourself. We're
limited here.


Quote
And what about energy transmission?

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zerostao, on 11 Apr 2014 - 08:24, said:
has the 'witches cradle' been described?
Witch's Cradle is a device for inducing altered states of
consciousness.
It disorients the practitioner, who might be hooded/blindfolded.
Also sometimes pain and slight torture are utilized as well- more
as BDSM typical
Sometimes certain drugs/ointments like Belladonna, Wolfbane are
implemented.
Isolation tanks with a heavy concentration of salts- thus Floatation
tanks, can also be used.
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Dowsing Rods

You can use a pendulum too

I am a Professional Dowser.

I have dowsed for water- streams, pipes, etc

(gas pipes too) dangerdangerdanger


I have always felt the Yi by streams in the form of negatives ions

So by using a sensitive "feel"- I have delved various levels as well
as variables pertaining to Yi

Raw center Earth Yi and multiple layers of Yi Qi

Contact with these levels are the same as telepathic
communication with people

I am a nature person- naturally "pagan" and I can communicate
with trees rocks etc

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Under the Earth are mineral deposits, quartz stratas, fossils and
living organisms, etc

Sedimentary layers which all carry their own unique energy fields


The area right directly under your feet will be different
than under my feet


You can use a grounding wire/mat if you in a multi-tiered home.

Insulation MAY block or impede much/some/none of the
primal/primordial core Yi from deep inside the layers of Earth- in
YOUR area- this depends on how RICH the dirt is below you.

There are less raw, and less potent levels of Yi Qi that you will
access without a grounding wire.

Unless you are drilling deep into the dirt, you will still only access
the less potent layers/levels of Yi.

So again, this is more of a siphonoing/tapping ability than
actually using tools to access Yi Qi.

Yang can penetrate the ceilings, walls, etc of a home, as well as
synthetic clothing you wear daily.

Unless you want to reach out into the Ionsphere and siphon that
magnetosphere, learn the dynamics of energetic manilpulation.

Practicing Kunlun indoors will show you that Yi Qi can be
harnassed without grounding wires- although Max the Kunlun
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teacher will tell you to use an animal fur/skin

Every individual is born with innate abilities.

If you happen to be born with more than enough carry over from
past life natural abilities you can get away with a lot.

Kundalini can "strike you" anywhere- and you do not need a +/-
power cord to harnass/access *it*
zerostao
ive done something similar in ma, without the bdsm or herbs.
not that those dont sound interesting,,,
or torture but it was used as sensitivity training.
and also attempt to tai chi or bagua under water
does witches cradle lead to alpha state?
sounds like it would lead to a relaxed state
Posted 11 April 2014 - 01:05 PM
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zerostao, on 11 Apr 2014 - 13:05, said:
ive done something similar in ma, without the bdsm or herbs.
not that those dont sound interesting,,,
or torture but it was used as sensitivity training.
and also attempt to tai chi or bagua under water
does witches cradle lead to alpha state?
sounds like it would lead to a relaxed state
It's sometimes used for scrying, light flagellation also.
The surface skin area gets red and Histamines release and blood
goes to the areas.
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Makes you disoriented from Endorphin release.
SonOfTheGods
Physical Qi Balls you can make:

1- Roll up into a tight ball thin copper wire, that is bare/no rubber
outside it

make it the size of a marble

2- wrap this copper ball up in paper towel, toilet paper, 2 layers of
paper

3- then wrap the whole ball into one sheet of aluminum foil

now wrap this again in 2 layers of paper towel

now wrap several layers of copper wire around it again

Continue with wrapping of copper, paper, foil about 10 times.

Make it tight and neat

It should resemble a small tightly wrapped ball, ending up with
aluminum foil as the complete final wrapper


This is an Orgone Capacitor

If you made this correctly, you will feel Yang Qi emanating off of it

It may feel like a slightl breeze to your touch
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Auric sight will actually see this as Blue energy

You can make several of these and align a grid around yourself
using sacred geometry

6 of them would make a Hexagram around you

Hold one in your hand when you meditate and feel and absorb the
energy

use these in conjunction with a Yi grounding wire and it
wil light up your Tan Tien




tendou
SonOfTheGods, on 11 Apr 2014 - 10:47, said:
There's the concept of Pavlov's Dog.


Meaning, once you enter the Alpha state- perform a simple task,
maybe a certain Mudra- embedding into the subconscious mind
that whenever I perform this certain alpha mudra- more and
more easily I will enter this deep trance state.

As soon as my tongue touches middle palate, I am GONE.

This has been practiced over many years though.
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Most of the answers to your questions are all pretty much the
same.
Practice practice and more practice.

Short cuts can be dangerous,.

Mental conditioning is key, here

In a more advanced setting I could give you shortcuts

If you were my student, in a physical setting I could give you
personal advice- but online- you could injure yourself. We're
limited here.



What about energy transmission?

Shortcut would be interesting, and time saving.
Right now I sometime used brainwave entrainment, binaural,
isochronic, monoaural soundwave. Only sometime.
Going into deeper highly relaxed state while sitting is a bit harder
than while lying down, though lying down there is the risk of
falling asleep completely.

About energy Transmission, what is it actually energy
transmission?

SonOfTheGods, on 11 Apr 2014 - 12:11, said:
Witch's Cradle is a device for inducing altered states of
consciousness.
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It disorients the practitioner, who might be hooded/blindfolded.
Also sometimes pain and slight torture are utilized as well-
more as BDSM typical
Sometimes certain drugs/ointments like Belladonna, Wolfbane
are implemented.
Isolation tanks with a heavy concentration of salts- thus
Floatation tanks, can also be used.

Is this the extreme way to get into alpha and deeper?
Edited by tendou, 12 April 2014 - 11:05 AM.
SonOfTheGods
Energy transmission has it's uses.

I did it recently on a female who emailed me.

I was going to do some work with Charles Crawford but I decided
I didn't want weaponised Qi- so I dropped out.

I was practicing transmission via distance and this young lady
asked to be a recipient.

However, she never posted her result on TaoBums, although she
said she posted it some place else.

She said she felt a lot of pain, so I'm not doing that anymore
unless you are my student and standing in front of me.

Beware of those who give reckless Shaktipat, etc
Posted 12 April 2014 - 11:14 AM
joeblast
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"All you really need, you already have within yourself."
-a certain charismatic master a few of us have met

That said, of course tools can be helpful.

Mindfold...I have one and its great for the airplane, but
meditation? haha, gtfo my trigeminal!!! Earplugs, however, are a
great tool - as is drawing a nice comfortable bath and laying back,
let the warm water against the eardrums, now work until you hear
no air move, work more until your heartbeat isnt the only
THUMP, THUMP in your audiospectrum. Well, then you start
hearing the darn house anyway

Now, those hematite baoding balls I have...twirl them in front of
the dantien, now that was interesting, normal baoding balls dont
do that.

Tools for helping open certain points, singing bowls and tuning
forks and such can be useful. I have a 4KHz fork that absolutely
pierces the yintang, almost a boring effect twisting it about the
stem of the fork. A pair of tingsha, snaps the awareness front and
center and if held in front of the eyes, can feel it vibrate the optic
nerves all the way back, now how's that stereo go with alternate
nostril breathing hahaha or no-nostril breathing, for that
matter, a curious combination of center channel vs stereo since the
olfactory nerves bypass the thalamus and are the only "true" left
and "true" right (with no center component) signals that exist in
the body, everything else has just center or both.

Still, no technique like the central channel activation of lining up
the laogung along the centerline, qihai, solar plexus, bring about
potential at upper dt & lower dt, and then crunch/torque them
together....it is like drawing a bow across a double bass
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Quote
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Self-cultivation here means using the living energies of the
different mountains and rivers of
various regions to develop the true energy inside one's own
body, causing one's inner work to reach
further into the realms of sublimation day after day.
Seeking out realized people means finding the real human
beings in the esoteric domains of
the famous mountains in the various regions.
Exploring means searching out natural laws in different
environments and life situations in
order to find out how to survive.
Taoists do not go traveling until they have reached a certain
degree of accomplishment. This
shows how very important a place travel occupies in the life of
Taoist training.
The Taoist observation of the natural world is extremely minute
and detailed; it is permeated
with a kind of philosophy, the doctrine of the unity of Nature
and humanity. Changes in heaven and
earth are intimately connected to changes in the human body.
Only people of high attainment,
however, are able to sense subtle changes in the outside world
within their own bodies.
Opening the Dragon Gate
SonOfTheGods
GOOD TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF FOR TRAINING

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LEARN TO WATCH FOR SIGNS FEELINGS & NATURAL
AIDS
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Quote
As far as we can tell from written records, Chinese culture has
existed for thousands of years,
and its main thread, quite evidently, is Taoist culture. Over the
long era of feudalism, however, the
marrow of Taoist culture was officially suppressed time and
again. Why? Because Taoists knew too
much about heaven, earth, and humankind, so they
were hard to dominate.

This book goes on to tell how the books and instructions
were burned and banned, and circulated deliberate
MISINFORMATION that confused both peasant and
noble -
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and it is still being perpetrated today!

This is why I trust No Teacher, nor Author, nor Video
Producer/Documentary

Directly/Indirectly: They themselves might not know it.

I LEARN MYSELF BY TRIAL AND ERROR
Edited by SonOfTheGods, 12 April 2014 - 05:48 PM.
Captain Mar-Vell
...
I just do stuff.

I don't care.

I just do it.
...
Posted 12 April 2014 - 06:28 PM
SonOfTheGods
Cultivate in a Cemetery- heavy Yin there
Posted 12 April 2014 - 07:10 PM
SonOfTheGods
SonOfTheGods, on 12 Apr 2014 - 17:38, said:
GOOD TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF FOR TRAINING

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Quote
Accepting that the magnetic field of Earth and the ionosphere
are capable, under certain special
conditions, of recording events occurring in society at
corresponding times; then two conclusions
follow. First, when the Earth's magnetic field and ionosphere
are in normal states, events will not be
recorded, so this results in significant "lacunas" in the record.
Second, the special conditions of the
Earth's magnetic field and ionosphere must coincide precisely
with events spatially, or else they
cannot make a recording.
This hypothesis might explain certain extraordinary
phenomena, but it cannot explain the
various phenomena produced by advanced Taoists when they
cultivate their practices, how they can
view events of other times and places when the Earth's magnetic
field and ionosphere are in a normal
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tendou
SonOfTheGods, on 12 Apr 2014 - 19:10, said:
Cultivate in a Cemetery- heavy Yin there

How do you read my mind? SOTG? haha

Actually I was thinking of PMing you about this, not writing about
this in this thread as, it sounds a bit crazy. haha

Maybe dig a deep hole and cultivate in the graveyard in night time.
Posted 12 April 2014 - 08:57 PM
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tendou, on 12 Apr 2014 - 20:57, said:

How do you read my mind? SOTG? haha

Actually I was thinking of PMing you about this, not writing
about this in this thread as, it sounds a bit crazy. haha

Maybe dig a deep hole and cultivate in the graveyard in night
time.
Or sit under a tree

Someone walking by and you scare the heck out of them lol
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tendou
Spirit abundant.

Take great courage to be there. So maybe good for kidney?
Posted 12 April 2014 - 11:32 PM
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SonOfTheGods, on 12 Apr 2014 - 17:38, said:
GOOD TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF FOR TRAINING


LEARN TO WATCH FOR SIGNS FEELINGS &
NATURAL AIDS
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http://thetaobums.co...ty-on-practice/ (http://thetaobums.com
/topic/4965-effect-of-solar-activity-on-practice/)

its a bitch to try and keep track of this yourself when there's zero
interest elsewhere this was originally in general, then moved to
OT, then I finally requested it be moved to my ppf since I was the
*only* person posting in it
Captain Mar-Vell
...
Quote
Someone walking by and you scare the heck out of them lol

They would be more likely to scare the heck out of the cowardly
lion!
...
Edited by Captain Mar-Vell, 25 April 2014 - 01:01 PM.
Posted 13 April 2014 - 12:29 PM
SonOfTheGods
joeblast, on 13 Apr 2014 - 12:25, said:
http://thetaobums.co...ty-on-practice/ (http://thetaobums.com
/topic/4965-effect-of-solar-activity-on-practice/)

its a bitch to try and keep track of this yourself when there's zero
interest elsewhere this was originally in general, then moved
to OT, then I finally requested it be moved to my ppf since I was
the *only* person posting in it
Most have no clue about the effects this has.
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Most don't understand the power of lunar cycles, solar flares, etc

Of course, *You* would understand though

Awesome stuff man
Uroboros
SonOfTheGods, on 13 Apr 2014 - 12:30, said:
Most have no clue about the effects this has.
Most don't understand the power of lunar cycles, solar flares,
etc

Of course, *You* would understand though

Awesome stuff man

Those Solar and Lunar events always hit me like a truck!

Sometimes a truck filled with chocolate...other times a truck full of
boulders! Haha

I figured it out 2 years ago that I would feel horrid whenever a
solar flare of certain magnitudes hit.

The moon mostly, when in powerful states, energizes me...or
makes me want to stay up and howl at it! hah

Nite Lyfe Foh Evah!!
Posted 14 April 2014 - 02:33 PM
Andrei
Posted 14 April 2014 - 06:12 PM
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Yeah, that is the best time to do meditation during full moon, but
also this is the reason why the taoist insist so much on gathering
Yin energy.
SonOfTheGods
tonight lunar eclipse and blood full moon

______


Also, I could use a little back up on this thread here;

people on there saying I am not teaching you guys correctly, and
you won't get any results

remarks like these will close down this forum


so if you have my techniques worthwhile- please post
something on this thread:

http://thetaobums.co...-14#entry540632 (http://thetaobums.com
/topic/34385-what-do-you-think-the-forum-can-do-to-attract-
some-quality-teachers/page-14#entry540632)
Posted 14 April 2014 - 06:20 PM
Uroboros
YES! Tonight is a HUGE lunar event! Astrologically, its a big deal.
Cardinal Cross is kicking in high gear!

There will always be haters, SOTG. I appreciate what you are
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doing and find it valuable. Others do as well.
tendou
What about this one?

https://www.google.c...ved=0CAcQ_AUoAg
(https://www.google.com/search?q=aluminium+camping+mat&
client=opera&hs=N3j&channel=suggest&biw=1366&bih=645&
source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=iYNaU-7eGqG9iAfv7oHYCw&
ved=0CAcQ_AUoAg)

much more comfortable than sitting on steel. Although Copper
conduct better but aluminium still conduct current.
Posted 25 April 2014 - 10:51 AM
SonOfTheGods
tendou, on 25 Apr 2014 - 10:51, said:
What about this one?

https://www.google.c...ved=0CAcQ_AUoAg
(https://www.google.com
/search?q=aluminium+camping+mat&client=opera&hs=N3j&
channel=suggest&biw=1366&bih=645&source=lnms&
tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=iYNaU-7eGqG9iAfv7oHYCw&
ved=0CAcQ_AUoAg)

much more comfortable than sitting on steel. Although Copper
conduct better but aluminium still conduct current.
Not sure, as I would have to thoroughly examine it. Besides it
must be grounded via wire, etc
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tendou
SonOfTheGods, on 25 Apr 2014 - 11:02, said:
Not sure, as I would have to thoroughly examine it. Besides it
must be grounded via wire, etc
Yeah. I mean we use wire to connect to the parts with the
aluminium parts.

As there is insulation type material in the middle of the aluminiun
sheet. for comfort.
Posted 25 April 2014 - 11:10 AM
SonOfTheGods
tendou, on 25 Apr 2014 - 11:10, said:
Yeah. I mean we use wire to connect to the parts with the
aluminium parts.

As there is insulation type material in the middle of the
aluminiun sheet. for comfort.
http://thetaobums.co...ow/#entry543211 (http://thetaobums.com
/topic/34538-yin-field-what-why-how/#entry543211)
Posted 25 April 2014 - 11:56 AM
Uroboros
SonOfTheGods, on 11 Apr 2014 - 12:49, said:
Dowsing Rods

You can use a pendulum too
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I am a Professional Dowser.

I have dowsed for water- streams, pipes, etc

(gas pipes too) dangerdangerdanger


I have always felt the Yi by streams in the form of negatives ions

So by using a sensitive "feel"- I have delved various levels as
well as variables pertaining to Yi

Raw center Earth Yi and multiple layers of Yi Qi

Contact with these levels are the same as telepathic
communication with people

I am a nature person- naturally "pagan" and I can communicate
with trees rocks etc

Under the Earth are mineral deposits, quartz stratas, fossils and
living organisms, etc

Sedimentary layers which all carry their own unique energy
fields


The area right directly under your feet will be different
than under my feet


You can use a grounding wire/mat if you in a multi-tiered
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home.

Insulation MAY block or impede much/some/none of the
primal/primordial core Yi from deep inside the layers of Earth-
in YOUR area- this depends on how RICH the dirt is below you.

There are less raw, and less potent levels of Yi Qi that you will
access without a grounding wire.

Unless you are drilling deep into the dirt, you will still only
access the less potent layers/levels of Yi.

So again, this is more of a siphonoing/tapping ability than
actually using tools to access Yi Qi.

Yang can penetrate the ceilings, walls, etc of a home, as well as
synthetic clothing you wear daily.

Unless you want to reach out into the Ionsphere and siphon
that magnetosphere, learn the dynamics of energetic
manilpulation.

Practicing Kunlun indoors will show you that Yi Qi can be
harnassed without grounding wires- although Max the Kunlun
teacher will tell you to use an animal fur/skin

Every individual is born with innate abilities.

If you happen to be born with more than enough carry over
from past life natural abilities you can get away with a lot.

Kundalini can "strike you" anywhere- and you do not need a +/-
power cord to harnass/access *it*
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How do you increase the accuracy/ be accurate in your dowsing?

I have done it before and I was sometimes accurate, some not...

Its always hard to tell.
SonOfTheGods
Uroboros, on 25 Apr 2014 - 20:17, said:
How do you increase the accuracy/ be accurate in your
dowsing?

I have done it before and I was sometimes accurate, some not...

Its always hard to tell.
just basic practice

like astral travel

do it, then examine accuracy of results afterwards
Posted 26 April 2014 - 10:52 AM
Captain Mar-Vell
...
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Do it, then examine accuracy of results afterwards.

Even Idealists like me can follow the scientific method.

Posted 26 April 2014 - 02:45 PM
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EyE Spirit Scientist.

xxx.
ps SOTG is marvellous! Who evah he be... ... da posse...
...
Edited by Captain Mar-Vell, 28 April 2014 - 09:02 AM.
tendou
Lots of stuff here.

http://www.lessemf.c...abric.html#1209
(http://www.lessemf.com/fabric.html#1209)
Posted 27 April 2014 - 11:46 PM
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SonOfTheGods
Captain Mar-Vell, on 26 Apr 2014 - 14:45, said:
...

Even Idealists like me can follow the scientific method.

EyE Spirit Scientist.

xxx.
ps SOTG is marvellous! Who evah he be... ... da posse...
...
thankyou Brother
Posted 28 April 2014 - 11:02 AM
SonOfTheGods
tendou, on 27 Apr 2014 - 23:46, said:
Lots of stuff here.

http://www.lessemf.c...abric.html#1209
(http://www.lessemf.com/fabric.html#1209)

Quote
Posted 28 April 2014 - 11:04 AM
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Need a ground cord?
6-foot long ground cord, alligator clip on one end bites onto
fabric, 3-prong-style plug on the other end plugs easily into your
grounded outlet. Only the round lug is connected to the wire.
The 2 flat prongs are not connected to anything.
Grounding Cord, 3-prong/gator (Cat. #A295-3) ......
$6.00 (http://www.aitsafe.com
/cf/add.cfm?userid=1151290&
product=a295-3+Ground+Cable,+plug-gator+6-ft&price=6.00&
thumb=a295-3.jpg&units=0.5&return=www.lessemf.com
/fabric.html#1209)

Need a different style? More ground cords click here.
(http://www.lessemf.com/ground.html#295)


That alligator clip on the connecting end looks quite PAINFUL

LOL
joeblast
6 bucks for that? you can make one out of any 3 pronged wire.

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if you're lazy, lop off the smaller black side prong that goes into
the plug.

(of course if you have a ground fault you're gonna be connected to
nothing with the 3rd prong)

do things in proper order and you can just add a new breaker into
the master switch without even shutting anything down, just make
sure the breaker to be installed is off, connect the white, then place
& screw in the breaker, turn it on. not dangerous so long as you
know the correct way to do these things. (just like neigong eh?)

if you use the ol screw together plug end, then you can leave the
white & black unconnected so you dont even have the potential for
breaker-current to go through the wire.

tendou
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SonOfTheGods, on 28 Apr 2014 - 11:04, said:
That alligator clip on the connecting end looks quite PAINFUL

LOL
Where do you want to connect it?

They sell lots of fabric with conductivity. Interesting stuff. I think
could be used if you got some.
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Started by SonOfTheGods, Apr 10 2014 12:39 PM
SonOfTheGods
We'll see about this one
Edited by SonOfTheGods, 10 April 2014 - 06:19 PM.
Posted 10 April 2014 - 12:39 PM
SonOfTheGods
I removed the No Trolling red warnings because I want
this forum to be fun


All the over-trolling will just be moved to The Pit: Here
(http://thetaobums.com/topic/34439-off-topic-the-pit-kangaroo-
chi-kung/)
Posted 10 April 2014 - 06:25 PM
SonOfTheGods
Anyone interested in branching off to this? Although it is
the Natural Progression- but very advanced:

Quote
Neidan, or internal alchemy
[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org
/wiki/Neidan#cite_note-1)
(simplified Chinese
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simplified_Chinese_characters)
Posted 12 April 2014 - 06:52 PM
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: ; traditional Chinese (http://en.wikipedia.org
/wiki/Traditional_Chinese_characters) : ; pinyin
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinyin) : nidn sh), is an array
of esoteric doctrines and physical, mental, and spiritual
practices that Taoist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taoist)
initiates use to prolong life and create an immortal spiritual
body that would survive after death.
[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org
/wiki/Neidan#cite_note-2)
Also known as Jindan ("golden
elixir"), inner alchemy combines theories derived from external
alchemy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_alchemy)
(waidan), correlative cosmology (including the Five Phases
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Phases) ), the emblems
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ba_gua) of the Yijing
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yijing) , and medical theory
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traditional_Chinese_medicine) ,
with techniques of Daoist meditation (http://en.wikipedia.org
/wiki/Daoist_meditation) , daoyin (http://en.wikipedia.org
/wiki/Daoyin) gymnastics, and sexual hygiene
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taoist_sexual_practices) .
[3]
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neidan#cite_note-3)
In Neidan the human body becomes a cauldron in which the
Three Treasures (http://en.wikipedia.org
/wiki/Three_Treasures_%28traditional_Chinese_medicine%29
) of Jing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jing_%28TCM%29)
("Essence"), Qi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qi) ("Breath")
and Shen (http://en.wikipedia.org
/wiki/Shen_%28Chinese_religion%29) ("Spirit") are cultivated
for the purpose of improving physical, emotional and mental
health, and ultimately returning to the primordial unity of the
Tao (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tao) , i.e., becoming an
Immortal (http://en.wikipedia.org
/wiki/Xian_%28Taoism%29) . It is believed the Xiuzhen Tu
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xiuzhen_Tu) is such a
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cultivation map. In China, it is an important form of practice for
most schools of Taoism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taoism)
.
Neidan is part of the Chinese alchemical meditative tradition
that is said to have been separated into internal and external
(Waidan (http://en.wikipedia.org
/wiki/Chinese_alchemy#Outer_alchemy_.28Waidan.29) ) at
some point during the Tang dynasty (http://en.wikipedia.org
/wiki/Tang_dynasty) . The Cantong qi (The Kinship of the
Three (http://en.wikipedia.org
/wiki/The_Kinship_of_the_Three) ) is the earliest known book
on theoretical alchemy in China; it was written by the alchemist
Wei Boyang (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wei_Boyang) in 142
AD. This text influenced the formation of Neidan, whose earliest
existing texts date from the first half of the eighth century. The
authors of several Neidan articles refer to their teachings as the
Way of the Golden Elixir (jindan zhi dao). The majority of
Chinese alchemical sources is found in the Daozang (Taoist
Canon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taoist_Canon) ), the
largest collection of Taoist texts.
Neidan shares a significant portion of its notions and methods
with classical Chinese medicine, fangshi
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fangshi) and with other bodies
of practices, such as meditation (http://en.wikipedia.org
/wiki/Meditation) and the methods for "nourishing life"
(yangsheng). What distinguishes alchemy from these related
traditions is its unique view of the elixir as a material or
immaterial entity that represents the original state of being and
the attainment of that state. The Neidan tradition of internal
alchemy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alchemy) is practiced
by working with the energies that were already present in the
human body as opposed to using natural substances, medicines
or elixirs, from outside of the body. The Shangqing
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(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Supreme_Pure_One)
(Supreme Clarity) tradition of Daoism played an important role
in the emergence of Neidan alchemy, after using Waidan mainly
as a meditative practice, and therefore turning it from an
external to an internal art.
Contents
1 General concepts (http://en.wikipedia.org
/wiki/Neidan#General_concepts)
2 The Three Treasures (http://en.wikipedia.org
/wiki/Neidan#The_Three_Treasures)
2.1 Chi (Ch'i or qi) (http://en.wikipedia.org
/wiki/Neidan#Chi_.28Ch.27i_or_qi.29)
2.2 Jing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neidan#Jing)
2.3 Shen [] (http://en.wikipedia.org
/wiki/Neidan#Shen_.5B.E7.A5.9E.5D)
3 See also (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neidan#See_also)
4 References (http://en.wikipedia.org
/wiki/Neidan#References)
5 Works cited (http://en.wikipedia.org
/wiki/Neidan#Works_cited)
6 External links (http://en.wikipedia.org
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/wiki/Neidan#External_links)
General concepts
Taoism focuses on the balance of yin and yang in one's life
(Hopfe and Woodward 167). Internal alchemy focuses on the
body and how you are able to use the Three Treasures, chi
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qi) , jing
(http://en.wikipedia.org
/wiki/Jing_%28Chinese_medicine%29) and shen
(http://en.wikipedia.org
/wiki/Shen_%28Chinese_religion%29) , to bring this balance
to your life. These are the energy that makes up life (Kohn
145-149). Each individual is able to practice internal alchemy on
their own, the religious leaders of Taoism are there for guidance
(Smith 199-204).
Chi is defined as the "natural energy of the universe" and can be
found in everything, including each individual person (Carroll).
Throughout Taoists' lives, they try to obtain a positive flow of
chi, which flows through the body in paths moving to each
individual organ, from the perspective of internal alchemy
(Smith 199-204). Taoists map out the body according to these
paths. If a path is blocked, the chi does not flow properly; this
blockage disrupts the balance of yin and yang. Taoists developed
methods to help get rid of these harmful blockages so that the
body's balance can be restored (Majka, Thompson, Schipper).
The second treasure, jing, is essential for humans to live; it is
referred to as the energies of the body (Kohn 145-149). It
corresponds most closely to the energy of the physical body. The
conserving of jing in the body is heavily focused on internal
alchemy (Smith 199-200). It is thought that a person dies when
they lost, or ran out of jing. Taoists believed that preserving jing
allowed people to live longer, if not to achieve immortality
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(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immortality) . The idea of
immortality came about because Taoists believed that if jing in
the body could be preserved the energies in the body could be
saved, which allowed you to live (Schipper).
Shen, the third and final treasure, is the original spirit of the
body. This is all that happens in the body without the
acknowledgment of the human (Nedidan: The Traditional
Meditative Practice, 14). Taoists try to become conscious of shen
through meditation (Smith, 199-204). Shen is the energy that
each organ, in the body, possesses. Each organ in the body has
an element associated with it, fire, wood, water, metal, or earth
(The Five Shen (http://en.wikipedia.org
/w/index.php?title=The_Five_Shen&action=edit&redlink=1) ).
When the "three treasures" are maintained in the body, along
with a balance of yin and yang, it is possible to achieve a healthy
body, and longevity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longevity) ;
which are the main goals of internal alchemy (Ching 395, Hopfe
and Woodward 167).
The Three Treasures
Main article: Three Treasures (traditional Chinese medicine)
(http://en.wikipedia.org
/wiki/Three_Treasures_%28traditional_Chinese_medicine%29
)
Inner alchemy practice can be generalized into three phases.
The three phases are known as the "three treasures". The "three
treasures" of human life are vitality- jing (ching), energy-chi
(ch'i), and spirit-shen (chen) (Kohn 145-149). It can be
explained in the Zhonghe ji which was quoted in the book:
Daoism and Chinese Culture by Livia Kohn:
Making one's essence complete, one can preserve the body.
To do so, first keep the body at ease, and make sure there
are no desires. Thereby energy can be made complete.
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Making one's energy complete, one can nurture the mind. To
do so, first keep the mind pure, and make sure there are no
thoughts. Thereby spirit can be made complete.
Making one's spirit complete, one can recover emptiness. To
do so, first keep the will sincere, and make sure body and
mind are united. Thereby spirit can be returned to
emptiness. ... To attain immortality, there is nothing else but
the refinement of these three treasures: essence, energy,
spirit." (Kohn 145-149).
The "three treasures" need to work with one another and never
without each other. One cannot exist without the other one.
These "three treasures" are important in the longevity
techniques that are used to achieve immortality and physical
manifestation of the Dao (Ching 395).
Chi (Ch'i or qi)
Chi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qi) is the vital force that
operates the body and manifests in everyone and everything
"the natural energy of the universe" (Carroll). The home of chi is
said to be centered around the liver. Chi is one of the "three
treasures". Having harmony is one of the most important
concepts of Chi. Keeping a proper balance of Yin and Yang
(positive and negative) forces. Trouble either on a personal or
on a larger scale is a form of disharmony and may lead to illness
or stress. This is accomplished by having too much of either Yin
or Yang forces (Hopfe and Woodward 167).
Healing practices through acupuncture (http://en.wikipedia.org
/wiki/Acupuncture) , massage (http://en.wikipedia.org
/wiki/Massage) , cupping (http://en.wikipedia.org
/wiki/Cupping_therapy) and herbal medicines
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(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbal_medicines) can open up
the chi meridians throughout the body so that the chi in the
body can flow freely. By keeping chi in balance and flowing
throughout the body promotes health; imbalance can lead to
sickness. This doesn't only apply to the body but the
environment as well, being nature or man-made. Feng Shui
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feng_Shui) methods are used to
keep a healthy balance and a more open flow of chi in one's
environment (Majka).
Feng Shui means "wind-water". Chi is scattered by the wind and
is gathered by water. It is good to have a home by a river or
body of water so chi could flow past your home, also to build in
front of a hill so bad chi cannot flow into your home. Modern
feng shui focuses on moving objects such as furniture around to
help promote a positive outcome of chi in the chosen space.
Traditionally it was used to find homes and good burial sites
that had good amounts of Yin-chi and Yang-chi, insuring that
one's spirit wouldn't get stuck in the mortal plane, but rise to
join the ancestors (Thompson 19-22).
Jing
(http://en.wikipedia.org
/wiki/File:Wiki_letter_w_cropped.svg)
This section requires expansion (http://en.wikipedia.org
/w/index.php?title=Neidan&action=edit) . (January 2014)
Jing (http://en.wikipedia.org
/wiki/Jing_%28Chinese_medicine%29) , or vitality, is the
second of the "three treasures" of human life.
[4]
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neidan#cite_note-4)
According
to tradition, Jng is stored in the kidneys and is the most dense
physical matter within the body (as opposed to shn which is
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the most volatile). It is said to be the material basis for the
physical body and is yn (http://en.wikipedia.org
/wiki/Yin_and_yang) in nature, which means it nourishes,
fuels, and cools the body. As such it is an important concept in
the internal martial arts (http://en.wikipedia.org
/wiki/Internal_martial_arts) . Jng is also believed by some to
be the carrier of our heritage (similar to DNA
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA) ). Production of semen, in
the man, and menstrual blood (or pregnancy), in the woman,
are believed to place the biggest strains on jng. Because of this,
some even equate jng with semen, but this is inaccurate; the
jng circulates through the eight extraordinary vessels and
creates marrow and semen, among other functions.
[5]
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neidan#cite_note-5)
Shen []
Shen or the spirit (the most pure and vital energy) involves the
mental activities of a person including their consciousness. Shen
can also be said to include the nerve system. The nerve system
consists of the "original spirit" and actions that are vital to
survival such as breathing or the heart beat. A person's
consciousness is the spirit of knowing, conscious activities, and
the thinking process which can be developed through learning.
Internal alchemists focus on the original spirit of shen
(Nedidan: The Traditional Meditative Practice 14).
Shen implies a person's mental function and consciousness as
well as vitality, mental health and overall "presence". Shen is
known to reside mainly in the heart, or more specifically, the
blood which relies on the heart. It is believed that shen sleeps at
night and if it is disturbed the result can be insomnia. Healthy
shen can be seen in a person's physical appearance through the
eyes. If the eyes are bright and shining with liveliness it
indicates a healthy shen. If one's shen is unhealthy their eyes
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will appear dull. The shen is dependent on the jing and chi.
(Shen: Traditional Chinese Medicine 1-4) If the jing and the chi
are happy then the shen will be content as well.
Shen can be thought of as either a singular concept or a plural
concept. When viewed singularly shen is located in the heart
and known as heart shen. When viewed as a plural concept it is
found in five of the yin organs; the heart, the kidneys, the
spleen, the lungs and the liver. The singular shen depends on
the others as the others depend on it. If the heart shen is not
functioning properly it can damage the other shen and lead to
problems such as mental illness. (Chaqging Yang 6)
Shen[ ]: The Emperor of the Heart The element
associated with the heart is fire. The heart shen involves the
quality of awareness one has and is shown in the responsiveness
of the eyes. The xin or mind exists as part of the heart. Often
viewed as a corona to the sun of the heart.
Zhi [ ]: The Kidney's Will to Act Zhi is one's will and is
represented by the element of water. Zhi embodies one's effort
and perseverance to succeed in spiritual practice. Through the
zhi one may hope to align themselves with the "will of Heaven",
or the Dao.
Yi [ ]: Intellect of the Spleen Earth is the element of yi. It
is said to assist in the formation of intentions and when not in
balance it can lead to problems with the spleen. When healthy it
is evident as a spirit permeated with intelligence. Within the
spleen also exists the xing or "map" of the body, often this
concept is viewed as the blueprint of our existence.
Po [ ]: The Corporal Soul of the Lungs Po
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hun_and_po) concerns our
immediate desires and only lasts as long as one lives. It is the
polar of hun and is found in the element of metal. There are
traditionally 13 po spirits that reside in the lung.
Hun [ ]: The Ethereal Soul of the Liver Hun
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(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hun_and_po) is represented by
the element of wood and has the ability to survive subtly after
death. It involves long range commitments and as one's
spiritual consciousness develops the po becomes support of the
hun. (The Five Shen). There are seen to be 3 hun that form at
conception, the yin hun, the yang hun and the ren (human) hun.
When all forms of shen are functioning properly and the shen is
in harmony one is said to have achieved shen unity.
See also
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Taijitu_red.PNG)
Taoism portal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Taoism)

Daoyin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daoyin)
Bigu (avoiding grains) (http://en.wikipedia.org
/wiki/Bigu_%28avoiding_grains%29)
Liu Yiming (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liu_Yiming)
(1734-1821)
Neigong (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neigong)
Neijia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neijia)
Neijing Tu (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neijing_Tu)
Qigong (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qigong)
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References
The concept is often analogized with the "spiritual alchemy"
of the West. Joseph Needham (http://en.wikipedia.org
/wiki/Joseph_Needham) coined the term "anablastemic
enchymoma" to translate the Chinese term "neidan";
anablastemic refers to the restoration of youth, and
enchymoma refers to the elixir within. See: Peng Yoke Ho,
Explorations in Daoism: Medicine And Alchemy in
Literature (http://books.google.gr
/books?id=O7eDISxgGIMC&dq=) , Taylor & Francis, 2007,
Pg. 2 and, Charles R. Stone, The Fountainhead of Chinese
Erotica: The Lord of Perfect Satisfaction
(http://books.google.gr/books?id=kiwdj5GZniUC&dq=) ,
University of Hawaii Press, 2003, Pg. 180.
1.
Skar & Pregadio 2000 (http://en.wikipedia.org
/wiki/Neidan#CITEREFSkarPregadio2000) , p. 464.
2.
Baldrian-Hussein 2008 (http://en.wikipedia.org
/wiki/Neidan#CITEREFBaldrian-Hussein2008) , p. 762.
3.
Kohn 145-149 4.
Maciocia 1989 (http://en.wikipedia.org
/wiki/Neidan#CITEREFMaciocia1989) , ch. 3: The Vital
Substances
5.
Uroboros
The process of immortality is one I am extremely interested in.
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I am down for some of that, as the youths say these days.
Captain Mar-Vell
...
Quote
I am down for some of that, as the youths say these days.

Ha ha ha!

I'm down fer sum a dat!

Jah!

Bein' a Heavenly Immortal Rox!


U in da rite plaice.
...
Edited by Captain Mar-Vell, 13 April 2014 - 02:37 AM.
Posted 13 April 2014 - 02:36 AM
SonOfTheGods
Uroboros, on 12 Apr 2014 - 23:40, said:
The process of immortality is one I am extremely interested in.

I am down for some of that, as the youths say these days.
You're doing Neidan
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Process

Jin Dan- Golden Pill
Uroboros
SonOfTheGods, on 15 Apr 2014 - 18:45, said:
You're doing Neidan

Process

Jin Dan- Golden Pill

Thats Amazing!

Im so glad Im already in the process....If I had spent three years
wasting my time....That would be sad.

The Jin Dan is something I am extremely interested in. As in the
NeiDan/Gong.
Posted 16 April 2014 - 12:09 AM
Uroboros
I have a question that I think the answer to would benefit allot of
students of these arts.

At what point in sexual activity/ arousal do we start to spend vital
essences?

At what point in the process is there no chance of absorbing what
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has been spent?

The goal of these questions is to better understand how sexuality
can be expressed while at the same time, cultivating godhood.

Thanks!
joeblast
If you want to take the extreme hard stance on it, anything aside
from morning wood! And even at that, there is the circulation
practice from taoist yoga buried in my ppf is for retrieving that
energy. Some others will say its when the door opens for
lubrication, other say just be natural, there are really only certain
times and time periods that retaining is necessary. (And then
some say its not necessary at all, just go easy and be natural and
dont abuse your resources.)

But really, if you want to ask at what point do things begin to
manifest, and look no further than the efferent nerves attached to
the structures in question - efferent designed to carry signal away
from the brain - and the root of it is the mind itself. But its not
just manifestation/production of various fluids - if the mind
becomes neurotic about something like this, how do you think that
qualitatively changes the efferent signal pattern? (Remember the
first time you talked to a really pretty girl, or the first time you had
sex, for example.) Before you put it in too stringent of a context
though, remember that energy exchange is natural and
invigorating in and of itself, of course so long as you're not
screwing like rabbits to the point where you are depleting yourself.
Posted 16 April 2014 - 07:40 AM
SonOfTheGods
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joeblast, on 16 Apr 2014 - 07:40, said:
If you want to take the extreme hard stance on it, anything aside
from morning wood! And even at that, there is the circulation
practice from taoist yoga buried in my ppf is for retrieving that
energy. Some others will say its when the door opens for
lubrication, other say just be natural, there are really only
certain times and time periods that retaining is necessary. (And
then some say its not necessary at all, just go easy and be
natural and dont abuse your resources.)

But really, if you want to ask at what point do things begin to
manifest, and look no further than the efferent nerves attached
to the structures in question - efferent designed to carry signal
away from the brain - and the root of it is the mind itself. But
its not just manifestation/production of various fluids - if the
mind becomes neurotic about something like this, how do you
think that qualitatively changes the efferent signal pattern?
(Remember the first time you talked to a really pretty girl, or the
first time you had sex, for example.) Before you put it in too
stringent of a context though, remember that energy exchange is
natural and invigorating in and of itself, of course so long as
you're not screwing like rabbits to the point where you are
depleting yourself.
I was going to mention Taoist Yoga by Luk-

good book
joeblast
joeblast, on 04 Aug 2012 - 14:23, said:
pasting in morning vitality circulation from TY
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The cavity of mortality (root of the penis, huiyin) is the source
from which all vitality circulates to the body. Focus on the cavity
as the point of departure for the vitality and "breathe through
the channels" in the path outlined upon getting out of bed in the
morning.
1-Breathe in to drive the vital breath up from the huiyin through
the governing vessel (tu mo) in the spine to the brain
2-Breathe out to lower the vital breath through the conception
vessel (jen mo) down the front of the body to return to the
huiyin.
3-Breathe in raising from huiyin through CV (jen mo) to the
cavity of vitality (lower dantien) continuing split in two along
both sides of the belt vessel (tai mo) joining at the lower back,
continuing on up to the T5 vertebra (GV11 which is the heart
point of the back) where it stops
4-Breathe out to let it flow from both shoulders down into the
(positive) yang yu channels in the outer sides of both wrists, to
the middle fingers before reaching the centers of both palms
(PC8, laogung) where it stops (the common arm & legs channels
are simply grouped together here since they flow in common
direction.)
5-Breathe in to lift the vital breath from laogung into the
(negative) yin yu channels on the insides of the wrists up to the
chest where it stops
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6-Breathe out to drive the vital breath down to the belt vessel
where its two branches reunite before returning to the mortal
cavity (huiyin)
7-Breathe in to lift it from the mortal cavity into the central
channel (thrusting vessel, chung mo) up to the solar plexus
(chiang kung cavity) where it stops; on no account should it rise
above the heart.
8-Breathe out to send it from under the heart down to the
huiyin where it divides into two to descend in the two (positive)
yang chiao channels on the outer sides of the thighs and through
the toes of the feet before reaching the yongquan cavity (KD1
point) where it stops
9-Breathe in to raise it from the yongquan into the (negative)
yin chiao channels in the inner sides of the legs up to the huiyin
and then to the lower dantien where it stops.
10-Breathe out to lower it to the huiyin where it stops.
This is especially effective if you do seated meditation at night.
Even moreso if you can well maintain a still heart and dont
overindulge in senses. This circulation will eventually cause the
vital force to thoroughly cleanse the channels and if you are able
to produce real vitality it will vibrate through all of these
channels, cleansing and purifying them.
(this is not verbatim from how it is in the book.)
dawei
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joeblast, on 16 Apr 2014 - 12:23, said:
joeblast, on 04 Aug 2012 - 14:23, said:
pasting in morning vitality circulation from TY

I have done this in the past and it is a great energy circulation
practice. I suddenly want to do it again ! Thanks for sharing
Uroboros
joeblast, on 16 Apr 2014 - 12:23, said:
joeblast, on 04 Aug 2012 - 14:23, said:
pasting in morning vitality circulation from TY
The cavity of mortality (root of the penis, huiyin) is the
source from which all vitality circulates to the body. Focus on
the cavity as the point of departure for the vitality and
"breathe through the channels" in the path outlined upon
getting out of bed in the morning.
1-Breathe in to drive the vital breath up from the huiyin
through the governing vessel (tu mo) in the spine to the
brain
2-Breathe out to lower the vital breath through the
conception vessel (jen mo) down the front of the body to
return to the huiyin.
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3-Breathe in raising from huiyin through CV (jen mo) to the
cavity of vitality (lower dantien) continuing split in two along
both sides of the belt vessel (tai mo) joining at the lower
back, continuing on up to the T5 vertebra (GV11 which is the
heart point of the back) where it stops
4-Breathe out to let it flow from both shoulders down into
the (positive) yang yu channels in the outer sides of both
wrists, to the middle fingers before reaching the centers of
both palms (PC8, laogung) where it stops (the common arm
& legs channels are simply grouped together here since they
flow in common direction.)
5-Breathe in to lift the vital breath from laogung into the
(negative) yin yu channels on the insides of the wrists up to
the chest where it stops
6-Breathe out to drive the vital breath down to the belt vessel
where its two branches reunite before returning to the mortal
cavity (huiyin)
7-Breathe in to lift it from the mortal cavity into the central
channel (thrusting vessel, chung mo) up to the solar plexus
(chiang kung cavity) where it stops; on no account should it
rise above the heart.
8-Breathe out to send it from under the heart down to the
huiyin where it divides into two to descend in the two
(positive) yang chiao channels on the outer sides of the
thighs and through the toes of the feet before reaching the
yongquan cavity (KD1 point) where it stops
9-Breathe in to raise it from the yongquan into the (negative)
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yin chiao channels in the inner sides of the legs up to the
huiyin and then to the lower dantien where it stops.
10-Breathe out to lower it to the huiyin where it stops.
This is especially effective if you do seated meditation at
night. Even moreso if you can well maintain a still heart and
dont overindulge in senses. This circulation will eventually
cause the vital force to thoroughly cleanse the channels and if
you are able to produce real vitality it will vibrate through all
of these channels, cleansing and purifying them.
(this is not verbatim from how it is in the book.)

I like the small changes you made, JoeBlast.

Makes it clearer and easier to integrate.

Thanks for sharing!
SonOfTheGods
Here's a little secret (might not be a secret)

From LDT to perineum, then back up to LDT- pump the floor-
squeeze hard and release with every inhale-squeeze and every
exhale/release all the while bring flow up/inhale- down/exhale.

You will feel Yin Magnetic and Yang heat sametime

This is a good fusion build up yinyang
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Uroboros
SonOfTheGods, on 16 Apr 2014 - 18:32, said:
Here's a little secret (might not be a secret)

From LDT to perineum, then back up to LDT- pump the floor-
squeeze hard and release with every inhale-squeeze and every
exhale/release all the while bring flow up/inhale- down/exhale.

You will feel Yin Magnetic and Yang heat sametime

This is a good fusion build up yinyang

This does create a good amount of heat in the HuiYin and LDT
area...cooler in between them, still warm, though.

The HuiYin area is more tingly hot while the LDT is just hot.
Edited by Uroboros, 16 April 2014 - 06:58 PM.
Posted 16 April 2014 - 06:58 PM
SonOfTheGods
Uroboros, on 16 Apr 2014 - 18:58, said:
This does create a good amount of heat in the HuiYin and LDT
area...cooler in between them, still warm, though.

The HuiYin area is more tingly hot while the LDT is just hot.
good job!
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Started by SonOfTheGods, Apr 10 2014 12:39 PM
Uroboros
SonOfTheGods, on 16 Apr 2014 - 18:32, said:
Here's a little secret (might not be a secret)

From LDT to perineum, then back up to LDT- pump the floor-
squeeze hard and release with every inhale-squeeze and every
exhale/release all the while bring flow up/inhale- down/exhale.

You will feel Yin Magnetic and Yang heat sametime

This is a good fusion build up yinyang

I like doing this practice with the softer squeeze of the HuiYin...it
gets things moving in a softer way. I can feel a -ping pongey-
sensation between the LDT and HuiYin as the flow
strengthens...nearly runs itself after a point!

Is it possible to destroy a TanTien? If so, and you had a large
enough Qi stored, could you re-make it? Would it flood into the
Vessels and make the whole body a TanTien?

Do the cords of the LDT need to be dissolved/ severed for the body
to become a TanTien?
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Uroboros, on 18 Apr 2014 - 17:37, said:
I like doing this practice with the softer squeeze of the
HuiYin...it gets things moving in a softer way. I can feel a -ping
pongey- sensation between the LDT and HuiYin as the flow
strengthens...nearly runs itself after a point!

Is it possible to destroy a TanTien? If so, and you had a large
enough Qi stored, could you re-make it? Would it flood into the
Vessels and make the whole body a TanTien?

Do the cords of the LDT need to be dissolved/ severed for the
body to become a TanTien?
You're way too ahead lol

TanTien is a physical and non-physical "cavity"

destroying it permanently? I highly doubt it

think about the garbage people consume

soda alcohol drugs junk-foods poisoned air cigarettes etc

yet they cultivate
Posted 18 April 2014 - 06:21 PM
Uroboros
SonOfTheGods, on 18 Apr 2014 - 18:21, said:
You're way too ahead lol

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TanTien is a physical and non-physical "cavity"

destroying it permanently? I highly doubt it

think about the garbage people consume

soda alcohol drugs junk-foods poisoned air cigarettes etc

yet they cultivate

haha, I wont jump ahead! Ok, I lie! I always do....so much
knowledge...thirsting....

wait, you arent talking about the way I was practicing the LDT
HuiYin pump?

Cavity...JAJ MQ Book talked about the points as more accurately
being -cavities- or -wells/pools-...I love that idea...It brings forth
allot of sensations within my body that before, were murky.

My LDT feels, at times, like a pool / whirlpool/ vortex sucking
inward.. To where, I dont know. Just that it is. Sometimes it spins
in counter and clockwise when it sucks.

Is that a good thing?
SonOfTheGods
Uroboros, on 18 Apr 2014 - 18:33, said:
haha, I wont jump ahead! Ok, I lie! I always do....so much
knowledge...thirsting....

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wait, you arent talking about the way I was practicing the LDT
HuiYin pump?

Cavity...JAJ MQ Book talked about the points as more
accurately being -cavities- or -wells/pools-...I love that idea...It
brings forth allot of sensations within my body that before, were
murky.

My LDT feels, at times, like a pool / whirlpool/ vortex sucking
inward.. To where, I dont know. Just that it is. Sometimes it
spins in counter and clockwise when it sucks.

Is that a good thing?

No I meant too far ahead as in your quote here:
Quote
Do the cords of the LDT need to be dissolved/ severed for the
body to become a TanTien?

I don't read anything by JAJ, so I have no clue what Mr. Johnson's
take on any of it is.


But the LDT vortex, yes I agree.
I posted a thread awhile ago about the LDT being comparable to a
Black Hole.

It sucks through via huyin/baihui - and limbs

if pore breathing like in Longmen Pai the LDT uses that too
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SonOfTheGods, on 18 Apr 2014 - 18:41, said:
No I meant too far ahead as in your quote here:

I don't read anything by JAJ, so I have no clue what Mr.
Johnson's take on any of it is.


But the LDT vortex, yes I agree.
I posted a thread awhile ago about the LDT being comparable to
a Black Hole.

It sucks through via huyin/baihui - and limbs

if pore breathing like in Longmen Pai the LDT uses that too
Ah, ok. Good. So just the questions I am asking are too far. Do you
want me to attempt to keep my questions to the current level this
thread is at?

Do you have anything against JAJ and his material? If so, I would
like to know what it is..Helps to gain greater clarity, if opposite
views are known.

If I breathe into the LDT and utilize the Black Hole intent...would
that be a solid method of cultivation into the Nei Gong/ Dan?

Do you happen to feel like sharing some Pore Breathing
techniques that work with the vortexing?
Posted 18 April 2014 - 08:44 PM
Uroboros
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I have been feeling the sucking sensation of my LDT for a bit,
breathing into it, keeping half awareness of it as much as possible
and something has changed.

Now, the area of the QiHai feels very full, like there is something
there..its also warm and the warmth is vibrating slightly. Edit- the
full area is now jumping around a bit inside...the skin around the
QiHai cavity feels taught from the internal pressure.

Is this a negative reaction?
Edited by Uroboros, 18 April 2014 - 09:41 PM.
SonOfTheGods
No no you can ask anything dude- just the cords dissolving is to
be discussed further on that other thread "How to cut the
cords"- so I rather keep that topic separate because you just
know it will cause all types of confusion and someone will get hurt
lol

Uroboros, on 18 Apr 2014 - 20:44, said:
Ah, ok. Good. So just the questions I am asking are too far. Do
you want me to attempt to keep my questions to the current
level this thread is at?

Uroboros, on 18 Apr 2014 - 20:44, said:
Do you have anything against JAJ and his material? If so, I
would like to know what it is..Helps to gain greater clarity, if
opposite views are known.
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Dr. Jerry Alan Johnson has a lot of material.
I actually have all his books EXCEPT "Daoist Alchemy"

Ummm-- JAJ is a christian, so it sort of ruined it all for me.

Unless his recent "Daoist Alchemy" is redeeming, which I don't
know -because I don't have it


SonOfTheGods
Uroboros, on 18 Apr 2014 - 20:44, said:
If I breathe into the LDT and utilize the Black Hole
intent...would that be a solid method of cultivation into the Nei
Gong/ Dan?

Do you happen to feel like sharing some Pore Breathing
techniques that work with the vortexing?
Dragon Gate uses pore breathing for the LDT


That is a good one, and inhaling the SOL as I mentioned
somewhere on this PPF


Yes, I have many various techniques for pore breathing

I got millions of techniques- beginners intermediate advanced
super advanced super duper advanced

Posted 19 April 2014 - 10:09 AM
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er, you get the message LOL

heh
SonOfTheGods

Uroboros, on 18 Apr 2014 - 21:22, said:
I have been feeling the sucking sensation of my LDT for a bit,
breathing into it, keeping half awareness of it as much as
possible and something has changed.

Now, the area of the QiHai feels very full, like there is
something there..its also warm and the warmth is vibrating
slightly. Edit- the full area is now jumping around a bit
inside...the skin around the QiHai cavity feels taught from the
internal pressure.

Is this a negative reaction?

If you received this new feeling due to the techniques I
have given everyone-
-then this is the BEGINNING OF YIN YANG FUSION

Congratulations!


However, if this did not happen as i suggested above- and the
feeling starts to diminish- it might be only Gas from too much
Taco Bell
Posted 19 April 2014 - 10:15 AM
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http://thetaobums.co...-holesupernova/ (http://thetaobums.com
/topic/33395-the-lower-tan-tien-is-similar-to-a-black-
holesupernova/)
SonOfTheGods, on 17 Jan 2014 - 13:20, said:
The Lower Tan Tien Is "Similar" To A Black
Hole/SuperNova:

Can't "Fill" a Black Hole

It can be "fed" though.

The lower Tan Tien, as a Vacuum, sucking and pulling in
through the crown, and 4 limbs/pore breathe, etc.

As it grows and condenses/collapses upon itself- it
produces/circulates energy MCO, etc
SonOfTheGods, on 17 Jan 2014 - 13:24, said:
Crown/Baihui is yang
Niwan is magnetic, and grounded to Earth
Energy connects ---> qihai // dantian etc
In Kunlun, the energy coming down feels cool and magnetic-
even though it would appear to new comers, that the energy
should seem to be yang and warm, as it ''Feels'' as though it is
coming down from "the sky"
SonOfTheGods, on 17 Jan 2014 - 14:07, said:
Yes it did.
Posted 19 April 2014 - 10:20 AM
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A collapsing star- super nova, bright.
Like that sort of model. Pre- black hole.
Material comes out of a black hole- changed but similar.
maybe "refined"
I just like my analogy of "Feeding" the tan tien, then it "digests"
the energy- as "fuel"


SonOfTheGods, on 17 Jan 2014 - 14:34, said:
When the Qi hai is full, like a large sphere, it makes contact with
back & front & huiyin on the bottom. It begins the upward
circulation from the Wei Lu/tail bone. Like the images I just
posted
Edited by SonOfTheGods, 19 April 2014 - 10:22 AM.
Uroboros
Posted 19 April 2014 - 12:53 PM
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SonOfTheGods, on 19 Apr 2014 - 10:15, said:


If you received this new feeling due to the techniques I
have given everyone-
-then this is the BEGINNING OF YIN YANG FUSION

Congratulations!


However, if this did not happen as i suggested above- and the
feeling starts to diminish- it might be only Gas from too much
Taco Bell

After a good nights sleep, I can still feel the sensation of sucking
into the LDT.

QiHai feels full and if I put my awareness on it, the collapsing
inward/ sucking becomes evident.

It does not seem to be from z tacos! This is good....
Uroboros
SonOfTheGods, on 16 Apr 2014 - 18:32, said:
Here's a little secret (might not be a secret)

From LDT to perineum, then back up to LDT- pump the floor-
squeeze hard and release with every inhale-squeeze and every
exhale/release all the while bring flow up/inhale- down/exhale.
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You will feel Yin Magnetic and Yang heat sametime

This is a good fusion build up yinyang

Last night I did this with a gentle squeeze and it lit up the whole
circuit from HuiYin-MingMen-LDT. It felt like electricity,
sparkling/ vibrating/ pulsing and slightly cold.

Also, the sucking/ collapsing feeling at the QiHai is consistent.
When I feel it, its like my whole stomach is being sucked inward,
its intense. And the area around the LDT feels full and a bit hard.
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TaiJi Pole/Central Channel: Lower Tan Tien etc
Started by SonOfTheGods, Apr 25 2014 12:27 PM
TaiJi Pole TaiJi Pole,, Central Channel Central Channel,,
SonOfTheGods
Posted 25 April 2014 - 12:27 PM
SonOfTheGods
The Central Channel becomes "powered up" after the
Tum Mo and Jen Mo channels are "productive"

Just filling and compresing chi into LDT and then
thinking your Taiji pole will energise is very misleading.


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The electrical polarity and field of energy in the polar axis is
related to the Original or Yuan Qi from which the Conception
and Governing Vessels form the seas of Yin and Yang energy
during the first cellular division. The Yin and Yang Heel
Vessels are also established, forming the left and right sides.
SonOfTheGods
Examine all those Links posted:

This should be common knowledge to any "hard core cultivator"



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The Eight Extraordinary Vessels
Governing Vessel (http://lieske.com/channels
/5e-gc.htm)
Conception Vessel (http://lieske.com/channels
/5e-gc.htm)
Yang Heel Vessels (http://lieske.com/channels
/5e-heel.htm)
Yin Heel Vessels (http://lieske.com/channels
/5e-heel.htm)
Yang Linking Vessels (http://lieske.com/channels
/5e-linking.htm)
Yin Linking Vessels (http://lieske.com/channels
/5e-linking.htm)
Thrusting Vessels (http://lieske.com/channels
/5e-thrusting.htm)
Belt Vessel (http://lieske.com/channels/5e-belt.htm)
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The Eight Extraordinary Vessels do the following:
The Governing Vessel (Yang) controls development of the
body's back.
The Conception Vessel (Yin) controls development of the
body's front.
The Yang Heel Vessels control the development of the body's
right and left Yang energy.
The Yin Heel Vessels control the development of the body's
right and left Yin energy.
The Yang Linking Vessels control the development of the
exterior of the body (and correlates to Heaven energy).
The Yin Linking Vessels control the development of the
interior of the body (and correlates to Earth energy).
The Thrusting Vessels carry energy through the center of the
body and controls the body's center core.
The Belt Vessel binds all the channels together (it's the only
vessel with a horizontal flow of Qi).
Interestingly, each of the Eight Extraordinary Vessels correlates
to one of the Eight Trigrams, which in turn relate to the Five
Elements:
Governing Vessel = Lake (Metal)
Conception Vessel = Fire (Fire)
Yang Heel Vessel = Water (Water)
Yin Heel Vessel = Earth (Earth)
Yang Linking Vessel = Thunder (Wood)
Yin Linking Vessel = Mountain (Earth)
Thrusting Vessel = Heaven (Metal)
Belt Vessel = Wind (Wood)

SonOfTheGods, on 25 Apr 2014 - 12:32, said:
The Central Channel becomes "powered up" after the
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Tum Mo and Jen Mo channels are "productive"

Just filling and compresing chi into LDT and then
thinking your Taiji pole will energise is very
misleading.
SonOfTheGods
You are NOT going to avoid the MCO

It is a circuit that runs Automatically-
WITHOUT YOUR GIVEN CONSENT


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Rote:
mechanical or habitual repetition of something to be learned.
Edited by SonOfTheGods, 25 April 2014 - 12:55 PM.
Posted 25 April 2014 - 12:37 PM
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SonOfTheGods
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Edited by SonOfTheGods, 25 April 2014 - 01:05 PM.
Posted 25 April 2014 - 01:05 PM
SonOfTheGods
LDT cavity- collects/feeds Yang Yin @ Ratio of 1:1

The Pernineum does not store anything, let alone Yin

The Perineum is not a Tan Tien

Conception Vessel 1: Ren-1: Huiyin Meeting Place of Yin

Conception Vessel 1, the first point - Ren-1 - on the
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Conception Vessel acupuncture channel, is where three
of the most powerful yin acupuncture channels (this -
the Conception Vessel, the Governing and the
Penetrating channels) emerge from the body, between
two of the most yin entrance/exit places - the anus and
urethra/sexual organs.

It has particular and special qualities but because of its
location is not much used. Other points share some of
its qualities, such as Conception Vessel 2
(http://www.acupuncture-points.org/conception-
vessel-2.html) and Kidney 1, so there are rarely
overwhelming reasons for using this point.
Uroboros
SonOfTheGods, on 25 Apr 2014 - 13:27, said:
LDT cavity- collects/feeds Yang Yin @ Ratio of 1:1

The Pernineum does not store anything, let alone Yin

The Perineum is not a Tan Tien

Conception Vessel 1: Ren-1: Huiyin Meeting Place of
Yin

Conception Vessel 1, the first point - Ren-1 - on the
Conception Vessel acupuncture channel, is where
three of the most powerful yin acupuncture channels
(this - the Conception Vessel, the Governing and the
Penetrating channels) emerge from the body, between
two of the most yin entrance/exit places - the anus
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and urethra/sexual organs.

It has particular and special qualities but because of
its location is not much used. Other points share some
of its qualities, such as Conception Vessel 2
(http://www.acupuncture-points.org/conception-
vessel-2.html) and Kidney 1, so there are rarely
overwhelming reasons for using this point.

Is the perineum the upper root, the true root, while the yongquen
is the extended root?

If the huiyin does not store...it channels?

Then we could utilize it to suck in qi, into the LDT?
SonOfTheGods
http://naturalwaytai..._tai_chi_nw.php
(http://naturalwaytaichi.co.uk/alannwtc
/meaning_of_tai_chi_nw.php)
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In the body the t'ai chi pole exists as a line that is located
running through the central core, from the top of the head to the
perineum. The perineum is a point located on the midline
exactly between the anus and the genitals. If you are able to
align the body correctly in relation to this line you can realise
profound stillness and ease of movement without breaking the
continuity and connectedness of the ch'i. Whilst maintaining
this inner state you will be able to appreciate that inactivity can
create activity. There is stillness in movement.
The t'ai chi pole is formed when the centres of the three tan
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tiens are aligned vertically. The three tan tiens are named
according to their location: lower, middle and upper. The words
"tan tien" means literally "cinnabar field" or as it came to be
known, "field of elixir." This was a term used in Taoist alchemy.
The alchemists in ancient China were trying to discover a way to
achieve longevity and their search led them to experiment with
various substances including cinnabar. At that time cinnabar
was a substance used to make vermilion ink and only the
emperor was permitted to write with it. Until recently cinnabar
was used in Chinese medicine to calm the Heart and Spirit. It is
now recognised as mercury sulphide and is very toxic. The tan
tiens in the body relate to the inner alchemy that developed at
the same time. The goal for the inner alchemist was to purify
human nature and transform the spirit. They gathered and
stored the ch'i, circulated it, and used the tan tiens as focal
points in their practices.
The three treasures of jing, ch'i and shen were linked with the
tan tiens. In the lower tan tien the Jing is transformed into Ch'i,
in the middle tantien the Ch'i is transformed into Shen and
finally in the upper tan tien the Shen is transformed into Wu
Chi.
The Three Treasures are also connected with the Three Outer
Forces known as Heaven, Earth and Man. Jing is the most
dense substance and therefore the most yin of the three and
linked with the earth. Jing can be thought of as the reproductive
essence. In ch'i kung meditation the Earth ch'i is gathered in the
lower tan tien and is associated with heat. Ch'i is a mixture of
yin and yang and is closely linked with the air, which is a
mixture of Heaven and Earth ch'i, and this is gathered in the
middle tan tien. The association at this level is vibration. The
subtlest of the Three Treasures is the Shen and therefore it is
the most yang and is linked with Heaven. Shen is gathered in
the upper tan tien and is associated with light. The movement of
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these inner substances is via the t'ai chi pole.
The three tan tiens are each made up of nine chambers and
they encompass a large area of the body. It is the centre of each
area that must be vertically aligned and this central location can
be found in relation to specific points on the body.
The location of the centre of the lower tan tien is at the centre of
a triangle formed by three acupuncture points. The first, at the
front of the body, is Shen Que or Ren 8 that is also the
umbilicus. The next, at the back of the body, is Ming men or Du
4. This is located on the centre line of the spine at the level of the
intervertebral space between the second and third lumber
vertebrae . The third point of the triangle is Hui yin or Ren 1
(also known as the perineum) that is on the mid-line between
the legs and halfway between the genitals and anus.


The centre of the middle tan tien is located in the centre of the
body at the level of Shen Zong or Ren 17. This point is found by
first locating the zyphoid process. This is the piece of bone that
drops down from the place where the ribs meet above the
stomach. From the Zyphoid bone move your finger carefully
upwards a distance of 3 cms. until you feel where this bone
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joins the central chest bone or sternum. Now move your finger
to the side and you will feel the space between the ribs. Move up
to the next space between the ribs and move back to the central
chest bone. Feel for a dip on the centre-line of the sternum. This
is Shen Zong or Centre of the Chest.
The centre of the upper tan tien is also found at the centre of a
triangle formed by three acupuncture points. The first is
Yintang, between the eyebrows, just above the bridge of the
nose. The second is Baihui or Du 20. This is located on the top
of the head on the midline. If you look at the head from the side
and extend a line, which runs from the midpoint of the ear lobe
to the apex of the ear, you are close to the location of this point.
There is often a softer area of flesh on the head that is slightly
flatter than the surrounding region. It is easier to ask someone
else to go through this location procedure with you and place a
finger on the point to help you become aware of the exact
position. The third point of the triangle is Fengfu or Du 16. This
is on the midline at the back of the neck directly under the
occiput that is the bottom edge of the skull.
In almost every t'ai chi position and t'ai chi exercise the body is
kept in this alignment. The occiput is always lifted slightly
which lengthens the back of the neck and rotates the head
slightly. From the front this appears as if the chin is slightly
tucked in but remember that this is a bi-product of adjusting
your neck and you should not focus on the chin and pull it in.
When the head is rotated in this way Baihiu or Du 20 becomes
lifted and brought forward slightly. This can all be achieved
naturally if you suspend the head gently as if pulled up from a
thread, which is connected to the point. Cheng Man-Ching said
that you could practise all your life and not make any real
progress if you neglected this important point.
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Uroboros
I have been playing with tongue positions and something I have
started to notice. I would like to hear your thoughts on it, bums.

Tongue behind the teeth in little cavity, opens up the MCO,
Conception- Governing

Tongue in center of hard palate- channel between baihui-niwan-
heart

Tongue behind hard palate, into the softness- opens up the
chongmai
Posted 25 April 2014 - 01:37 PM
SonOfTheGods
Uroboros, on 25 Apr 2014 - 13:34, said:
Is the perineum the upper root, the true root, while the
yongquen is the extended root?

If the huiyin does not store...it channels?

Then we could utilize it to suck in qi, into the LDT?

Here's the logic to this IMO/IME

Kundalini:

"is said to be stored in the tailbone/coccyx/perineum/etc"

but it actually descends downward in my experiences

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However:


*if it is stored there- then it is fiery- yang

*or- if it stored there and it is Yin, then not pure Yin but mixed
with Yang- so that means kundalini/red is a fusion of yin/yang

or- *if it is pure Yin, it should be cool/cold- but Yin doesn't move
alone, it always follows yang

it can't be all of them so which?

Kundalini is spoken of as HOT.

see my point?

To get Yin out of the ground- it must still accompany Yang in
order to emanate out of the earth "to get into" your perienum
Edited by SonOfTheGods, 25 April 2014 - 01:48 PM.
joeblast
SonOfTheGods, on 25 Apr 2014 - 13:35, said:
http://naturalwaytai..._tai_chi_nw.php
(http://naturalwaytaichi.co.uk/alannwtc
/meaning_of_tai_chi_nw.php)
you probably wouldnt be surprised at the correlations of the
lightning path meditation to that picture
Posted 25 April 2014 - 02:26 PM
theurgy
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Awesome thread. Not having much of a taoist cultivation
background, I will have to take some time and digest this. Great
stuff.
Uroboros
joeblast, on 25 Apr 2014 - 14:26, said:
you probably wouldnt be surprised at the correlations of the
lightning path meditation to that picture

What is the lightning path meditation?

It sounds interesting.
Posted 25 April 2014 - 06:04 PM
SonOfTheGods
joeblast, on 25 Apr 2014 - 14:26, said:
you probably wouldnt be surprised at the correlations of the
lightning path meditation to that picture

I'm still trying to find Max's Red Dragon Palm!
Uroboros, on 25 Apr 2014 - 18:04, said:
What is the lightning path meditation?

It sounds interesting.
I 2nd that!
Posted 25 April 2014 - 06:36 PM
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theurgy, on 25 Apr 2014 - 17:45, said:
Awesome thread. Not having much of a taoist cultivation
background, I will have to take some time and digest this. Great
stuff.
thanks man!
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Started by SonOfTheGods, Apr 25 2014 12:27 PM
TaiJi Pole TaiJi Pole,, Central Channel Central Channel,,
SonOfTheGods
Uroboros, on 25 Apr 2014 - 13:37, said:
I have been playing with tongue positions and something I have
started to notice. I would like to hear your thoughts on it, bums.

Tongue behind the teeth in little cavity, opens up the MCO,
Conception- Governing

Tongue in center of hard palate- channel between baihui-niwan-
heart

Tongue behind hard palate, into the softness- opens up the
chongmai
Tongue Mudras

different circuits connect up/down
Posted 25 April 2014 - 06:38 PM
SonOfTheGods
Tree of Life has a Lightening and also Serpent Path
Posted 25 April 2014 - 06:39 PM
Uroboros
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SonOfTheGods, on 25 Apr 2014 - 18:38, said:
Tongue Mudras

different circuits connect up/down

If I put my tongue at the base of the lower teeth, below the tip of
tongue, it heavily stimulates the CV, pinging it from tongue to
LDT, barely going past LDT to HuiYin, then back up.

Any resources to learn more about the tongue mudras?
SonOfTheGods
Uroboros, on 25 Apr 2014 - 18:40, said:
If I put my tongue at the base of the lower teeth, below the tip of
tongue, it heavily stimulates the CV, pinging it from tongue to
LDT, barely going past LDT to HuiYin, then back up.

Any resources to learn more about the tongue mudras?
I just invented "Tongue Mudras" lol

but yes, there is some stuff around the different placements of the
tongue
http://www.qigonghea...recommendation/
(http://www.qigonghealingarts.org/qigong-exercises/qigong-
exercise-tongue-position-recommendation/)
Edited by SonOfTheGods, 25 April 2014 - 06:54 PM.
Posted 25 April 2014 - 06:51 PM
Uroboros
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I found this in the forum and thought it was beneficial to post
here!

RED SUN
by Max Christensen
This method as given to me by a hung-moon teacher in Taos, New
Mexico.
Sit in a chair, feet flat with your fist closed on top of your thighs.
Sit for a moment until the mind is empty and relaxed. Imagine, in
the middle dantien area, a small, golf ball sized ball of glowing
matter. This matter looks like a hot coal from a fire. It glows and it
has hot vapor around it.
See it as very real within the center of your chest.
Now inhale through your nose gently, enough so that you can hold
your breath in a neutral state (about 2/3 of capacity). After the
inhalation, swallow hard with a gulping sound, tuck your chin, but
keep the spine and neck aligned.
Slightly tighten the anus, so energy doesn't leak, now hold the
breath neutrally. You will feel like your air will dissipate quickly,
so if this happens inhale tiny amount of air, to get the neutral
feeling. If you over-inflated, blow some air out.
As you are running out of air, relax.
You will begin to feel this implosive, shrinking feeling as your
lungs convulse for air. The energy will begin to ping-pong up and
down in your chest. It may feel like you are going to die, but you
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won't. Relax more and with your mind, see the coal getting
brighter and brighter, hotter and hotter, so when you feel you can't
hold it anymore, say to yourself, melt, melt, see the heat melt the
body.
If you can hang in this state and keep melting more and more each
time the (death) feeling hits, you may feel like you are going to
transition over into another energetic form.
If you do it right, an orgasmic hiccup and a surge of intense bliss
arises. After this, exhale slowly through the mouth and repeat
twice more, but only inhale once between sets or youll lose the
effect.
This opens the deepest part of the emotions, so be prepared and
do not do this more than twice a month......carefully.
See if you can break the barrier.
Max
Uroboros
Uroboros, on 25 Apr 2014 - 20:20, said:
I found this in the forum and thought it was beneficial to post
here!

RED SUN
by Max Christensen
This method as given to me by a hung-moon teacher in Taos,
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New Mexico.
Sit in a chair, feet flat with your fist closed on top of your thighs.
Sit for a moment until the mind is empty and relaxed. Imagine,
in the middle dantien area, a small, golf ball sized ball of
glowing matter. This matter looks like a hot coal from a fire. It
glows and it has hot vapor around it.
See it as very real within the center of your chest.
Now inhale through your nose gently, enough so that you can
hold your breath in a neutral state (about 2/3 of capacity). After
the inhalation, swallow hard with a gulping sound, tuck your
chin, but keep the spine and neck aligned.
Slightly tighten the anus, so energy doesn't leak, now hold the
breath neutrally. You will feel like your air will dissipate quickly,
so if this happens inhale tiny amount of air, to get the neutral
feeling. If you over-inflated, blow some air out.
As you are running out of air, relax.
You will begin to feel this implosive, shrinking feeling as your
lungs convulse for air. The energy will begin to ping-pong up
and down in your chest. It may feel like you are going to die, but
you won't. Relax more and with your mind, see the coal getting
brighter and brighter, hotter and hotter, so when you feel you
can't hold it anymore, say to yourself, melt, melt, see the heat
melt the body.
If you can hang in this state and keep melting more and more
each time the (death) feeling hits, you may feel like you are
going to transition over into another energetic form.
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If you do it right, an orgasmic hiccup and a surge of intense
bliss arises. After this, exhale slowly through the mouth and
repeat twice more, but only inhale once between sets or youll
lose the effect.
This opens the deepest part of the emotions, so be prepared and
do not do this more than twice a month......carefully.
See if you can break the barrier.
Max

This one is very hard...Woo!

My diaphragm pumps like crazy after just a short while...
Uroboros
If the Lower TanTien is a super nova like substance/ form...

Where/ how does it express/ expell what it "eats"?
Posted 25 April 2014 - 09:18 PM
theurgy
SonOfTheGods, on 25 Apr 2014 - 18:39, said:
Tree of Life has a Lightening and also Serpent Path

http://hermetic.com/...hing-sword.html (http://hermetic.com
/stavish/rituals/flashing-sword.html)
Posted 26 April 2014 - 12:21 AM
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SonOfTheGods
This was the one I was talking to Multiarms about in the other
thread- heat in MDT
Uroboros, on 25 Apr 2014 - 20:20, said:
I found this in the forum and thought it was beneficial to post
here!

RED SUN
by Max Christensen
This method as given to me by a hung-moon teacher in Taos,
New Mexico.
Sit in a chair, feet flat with your fist closed on top of your thighs.
Sit for a moment until the mind is empty and relaxed. Imagine,
in the middle dantien area, a small, golf ball sized ball of
glowing matter. This matter looks like a hot coal from a fire. It
glows and it has hot vapor around it.
See it as very real within the center of your chest.
Now inhale through your nose gently, enough so that you can
hold your breath in a neutral state (about 2/3 of capacity). After
the inhalation, swallow hard with a gulping sound, tuck your
chin, but keep the spine and neck aligned.
Slightly tighten the anus, so energy doesn't leak, now hold the
breath neutrally. You will feel like your air will dissipate quickly,
so if this happens inhale tiny amount of air, to get the neutral
feeling. If you over-inflated, blow some air out.
Posted 26 April 2014 - 10:48 AM
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As you are running out of air, relax.
You will begin to feel this implosive, shrinking feeling as your
lungs convulse for air. The energy will begin to ping-pong up
and down in your chest. It may feel like you are going to die, but
you won't. Relax more and with your mind, see the coal getting
brighter and brighter, hotter and hotter, so when you feel you
can't hold it anymore, say to yourself, melt, melt, see the heat
melt the body.
If you can hang in this state and keep melting more and more
each time the (death) feeling hits, you may feel like you are
going to transition over into another energetic form.
If you do it right, an orgasmic hiccup and a surge of intense
bliss arises. After this, exhale slowly through the mouth and
repeat twice more, but only inhale once between sets or youll
lose the effect.
This opens the deepest part of the emotions, so be prepared and
do not do this more than twice a month......carefully.
See if you can break the barrier.
Max


SonOfTheGods
Uroboros, on 25 Apr 2014 - 21:18, said:
If the Lower TanTien is a super nova like substance/ form...
Posted 26 April 2014 - 10:49 AM
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Where/ how does it express/ expell what it "eats"?

MCO etc
SonOfTheGods
theurgy, on 26 Apr 2014 - 00:21, said:
http://hermetic.com/...hing-sword.html (http://hermetic.com
/stavish/rituals/flashing-sword.html)

Quote
The Technique of "The Flashing Sword" is among one of the
most common methods known to qabalists, and yet, one of the
least commented upon. Like many esoteric practices it lends
itself to a great deal of sophistication, and can be introduced to
beginning students as a practical mnemonic devise for learning
the basics of the Tree of Life, up to a method for releasing the
"Secret Fire" or Kundalini in each of us.
Posted 26 April 2014 - 10:50 AM
Uroboros
SonOfTheGods, on 26 Apr 2014 - 10:49, said:
MCO etc

So that is part of why we do the MCO....To increase the amount/
purity/ frequency that the LDT can emit..

and we pack the LDT to upgrade it, so it can emit...
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Captain Mar-Vell
...
Quote
Tree of Life has a Lightening and also Serpent Path.

Arm 'ere ta improve youze guyz' SPELLING!!!

It's LIGHTNING.

NOT.

Lightening!

Bozoz!!!

xxx.
...
Edited by Captain Mar-Vell, 26 April 2014 - 03:01 PM.
Posted 26 April 2014 - 02:49 PM
SonOfTheGods
Captain Mar-Vell, on 26 Apr 2014 - 14:49, said:
...

Arm 'ere ta improve youze guyz' SPELLING!!!

It's LIGHTNING.

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NOT.

Lightening!

Bozoz!!!

xxx.
...
iz dat spechal kinda speelin
KenBrace
I've never seen one person with so many PPFs! LoL
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Transmission, Aliens, Ghosts, Qi
Started by SonOfTheGods, Apr 20 2014 11:44 AM
Aliens Aliens,, ET ET,, interdimensional interdimensional,, transmission transmission,,
SonOfTheGods
I was doing some research on TheTaoBums archives via Google.

I was listening to Max Christenson newest radio interview, so I
wanted to check up on fellow TTB'ers to see how their Kunlun
training was going.

I used to do Kunlun, and the 3 levels of Red Phoenix.

Actually I have done all of Max's exercises in his book(s)

I ran my course in Kunlun.

I grew tired of it, eventually- as I just wasn't getting anywhere with
it, anymore.


That could just be unique to me.


Anyway, as I am searching TTB archive about Kunlun, I
noticed some people were having problems with Kunlun.

The ones who were having problems were the individuals
Posted 20 April 2014 - 11:44 AM
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who ACTUALLY HAD AN ENERGY TRANSMISSION
FROM MAX.


Just reading the book, and practicing - although, supposedly Max
put an "energy transmission in the book"- seemed,
non-problematic.


However, the individuals who had problems were
students, of Max -in real time, physical sessions complete
with Max giving them Energy Transmissions.


According to the experiences archived on TTB,
these people experienced Reptilian outbreaks.


Hauntings, and nightmares induced in the children of
Max's students.

Extraterrestrial and/or Interdimensional visitations.


Some people will scoff, laugh, troll.

Although a forum full of open minded people, who believe in
spirits, and jesus and demons- but continually mock at and refuse
to believe in Et origins.

Talk about contradictions and oxymorons.


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Some teachers in Daoism will include planets,
constellations, stars, suns, celestial bodies in absorbing
and transmuting energy.

So various spirits- which is an essential part in NeiGong,
etc are incorporated in training.


Daoist magick, sorcery- is rich with understanding and
communicating with EVERY CONSCIOUS ENTITY IN
ALL THE MULTI-UNIVERSES.


If you do not believe this, I would recommend either more study,
or FIND OUT THE HARD WAY.


The HARD WAY?


Why?


Teachers, who are aligned with Lineages, have active interaction
with deceased ancestors, masters, ghosts, Immortals (5 varieties!)

Who are all these invisible entities?


Are all of them, Benevolent?


Think: Everyone you met, in your lifetime, been - ALL
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GOOD BENIGN INDIVIDUALS?

Read up on some Daoist history- there were huge clan wars.

Not all ancient ancestors were wonderful spirit filled love&light
people.

Some of them were downright demonic in thir nature while
alive.

Also understand, a living being is an energy buffet- an organic Qi
bank-

Plug in and stream that energy, download and upload -deposits
for food.

We are nothing more than circuits in a Motherboard universe.

HUNGRY GHOSTS = Sustenance, accessing pure energy, to stay
active visiting various realms.

EVERYTHING IS AN ENERGY EXCHANGE.



Once you pay a Teacher, and ask to be in the Lineage of the group-
you willingly become part of the egregore.


This is not a bad thing- not everyone has bad
experiences, obviously.


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That's NOT saying, it doesn't happen, though:


If you are now part of an 8 generation dynasty of Qi masters,
maybe hundreds of deceased entities, the chances that some of
them are Malevolent is a very good though.

Vampires legends show that the victims willingly allowed the
vampire to "enter their domain, voluntarily"


If you have had an Energy Transmission, and you find
yourself being visited while asleep, I would question
what is going on, and get some active psychic self defense
going on.


I have Warned REPEATEDLY on TheTaoBums about
allowing "just anyone" to give you an Energy
Transmission.



Ok, I will state this for the Record, One More Time-
because you just know- someone- will complain:

This DOES NOT ALWAYS HAPPEN!


But Happen, (sometimes) -It Does:



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Signs, Symptoms, Scenario:

So, you are on TheTaoBums.
You read stories of people who can do incredible things
(supposedly)
Damn, I wish I could do that- you think to yourself.
Someone tells you, keep practicing and in 25 years- you too,
Maybe, can do great things.
Wait, 25 years?
I WANT IT NOW!
Can I speed this process up?
I have other things to do, responsibilities, etc
I can't wait!
NOW!
So, now you hear this Teacher/random dude, can give you
healing, power, all through attending sessions, group meeting
etc.
"They" have books, websites, DVDs, etc.
Diplomas, Certificates, claim ancestors, lineages, many
students.
Photos of people floating around on their websites, with short
comments by students saying now they can shoot light out of
their ears.
Wow! Oozing like total awesomeness!
You know the bit.
Of course, it costs MONEY.
But so what? You can't put a price tag on Immortality!
Of course, it costs A LOT of MONEY.
Maybe -sign short agreement that you won't tell anybody about
our secret traditions etc.
Only comment on Approved Forums.
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That sort of thing.
wink wink
Even if you live far away, the energy is all encompassing, and
we can reach you.
So, anxiously, you Enroll!
Wow! Oozing like total awesomeness, right???
Suddenly, you now have fellow students welcoming you, like one
big family.
wink wink
Ok, The famous Qi Transmission hits you- and you're thinking-
well, I think I felt something- not sure though.
hmmmm.
So, now your instant family reassures you, it's all good.
You still can't shoot fire and stuff, but what the hell- neither can
the other students- but, eventually you will.
Because, now- you start to feel your body parts starting to move
on their own accord.
Kriyas are so cool.
Everyday, like a faithful student, you do your given exercises.
Every night before sleep, you kiss your teacher's photo.
Guru love- fabulous!
Something starts to happen though.
You aren't sure- but feel kind of strange.
WAIT!
Must be working now!
So, You do your exercise and go to sleep.
Then, like "Nightmare on Elm Street"- you now -no longer want
to sleep!
oops..
You dread going to sleep.
You FEAR sleeping.
lol what?
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How come?
Well, when you sleep:
You feel hands touching you.
Common occurances include having Eyes, Mouth, Head being
'accessed" probed, manipulated..
Where your Qi flows, MingMen, Perineum, all being Tampered
with.
Sometimes you glimpse these entities and they appear like
spirits.
Somtimes, not so human.
oops.
Cataleptic states, your physical body, locked up, and inability to
move or struggle.
I hate when that happens.
Teacher Teacher, something is wrong!
Well, those are our secret masters, helping you and healing you.
Other students know about "this".
But No One Discusses It.
Each one, paralysed by fear, and hoping it wil gradually pass
away, and then -the power will come!
Just- Attend more sessions, etc
Remember- you're still paying money for this!
oops.
Memories arise.
Still, you really aren't getting the promised power heaing etc.
Neither are the fellow students.
-What to do?


Irony:
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You know, people will say ancient Daoists, China, India: dissected
the body, maybe took some hallucinogens, received visions, OBE:
etc,- and that is how they discovered Qi, celestial longitude,
latitudes, etc

If you do some reseach, there are also in the annals of
history, tales of the Yellow Emperor, space travel, flying
dragons from the stars, and Aryan mummies in Asian
graves.

Extraterrestrial Visitors, exchanging knowledge.


Irony:
People will laugh & mock, but then these same individuals- will
study Wang Liping's writings- who personally knew all about this
"stuff"

These same Trolls will also study Goetia, and try to make contact
with spirits.

But tell them about Exraterrestrial visitors who teach, and they
laugh.

The Book of Enoch talks about Genesis Chapter 6 - the Watchers,
The Nephilim, giants, Annunaki, space travel, time travel and
"angels breeding with humans".

These Watchers, came down from the heavens, and taught
magick, cosmetics, farming, health, and WAR.
Edited by SonOfTheGods, 20 April 2014 - 11:58 AM.
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theurgy
I admit it: I'm one of those people. Intellectually I don't have a
problem accepting the possibility of Extraterrestrials visiting
Earth. I think it's something that I need to open up to gradually as
a felt experience within my body. Having been to Sedona, AZ and
interacted with people who are true believers, I found myself
struggling with the way all the E.T. talk makes me feel. It seems
like one can get ungrounded really fast.

About kunlun--I have experienced the exact same thing you
describe and I have even met Max. I don't think I got an energy
transmission though. Not from the book, in person or via Skype
sessions. Which is fine by me. It does seem to stop doing
anything. Although, at the end of November as ISON was passing
through, I practiced too much and ended up in the hospital
overnight with hallucinations and the worst stomach pain I've ever
had. I woke up half in and half out of my body and I couldn't get
grounded. It was like a bad acid trip. I stopped practicing for
awhile after that.

I never get accosted at night by spirits. Although my good friend
who has practiced lots of kung-fu does almost once a week.
Everywhere he goes seems to be haunted and I think he may enjoy
it, lol
Posted 20 April 2014 - 11:59 AM
SonOfTheGods
My Easter Gift, to all of you

SonOfTheGods, on 20 Apr 2014 - 11:44, said:
I was doing some research on TheTaoBums archives via Google.
Posted 20 April 2014 - 11:59 AM
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10 of 29 4/30/2014 11:12 AM

I was listening to Max Christenson newest radio interview, so I
wanted to check up on fellow TTB'ers to see how their Kunlun
training was going.

I used to do Kunlun, and the 3 levels of Red Phoenix.

Actually I have done all of Max's exercises in his book(s)

I ran my course in Kunlun.

I grew tired of it, eventually- as I just wasn't getting anywhere
with it, anymore.


That could just be unique to me.


Anyway, as I am searching TTB archive about Kunlun, I
noticed some people were having problems with
Kunlun.

The ones who were having problems were the
individuals who ACTUALLY HAD AN ENERGY
TRANSMISSION FROM MAX.


Just reading the book, and practicing - although, supposedly
Max put an "energy transmission in the book"- seemed,
non-problematic.


However, the individuals who had problems were
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11 of 29 4/30/2014 11:12 AM
students, of Max -in real time, physical sessions
complete with Max giving them Energy Transmissions.


According to the experiences archived on TTB,
these people experienced Reptilian outbreaks.


Hauntings, and nightmares induced in the children of
Max's students.

Extraterrestrial and/or Interdimensional visitations.


Some people will scoff, laugh, troll.

Although a forum full of open minded people, who believe in
spirits, and jesus and demons- but continually mock at and
refuse to believe in Et origins.

Talk about contradictions and oxymorons.


Some teachers in Daoism will include planets,
constellations, stars, suns, celestial bodies in absorbing
and transmuting energy.

So various spirits- which is an essential part in
NeiGong, etc are incorporated in training.


Daoist magick, sorcery- is rich with understanding and
communicating with EVERY CONSCIOUS ENTITY IN
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12 of 29 4/30/2014 11:12 AM
ALL THE MULTI-UNIVERSES.


If you do not believe this, I would recommend either more
study, or FIND OUT THE HARD WAY.


The HARD WAY?


Why?


Teachers, who are aligned with Lineages, have active interaction
with deceased ancestors, masters, ghosts, Immortals (5
varieties!)

Who are all these invisible entities?


Are all of them, Benevolent?


Think: Everyone you met, in your lifetime, been - ALL
GOOD BENIGN INDIVIDUALS?

Read up on some Daoist history- there were huge clan wars.

Not all ancient ancestors were wonderful spirit filled
love&light people.

Some of them were downright demonic in thir nature while
alive.
Transmission, Aliens, Ghosts, Qi - SonOfTheGods - The Tao Bums http://thetaobums.com/topic/34574-transmission-aliens-ghosts-qi/
13 of 29 4/30/2014 11:12 AM

Also understand, a living being is an energy buffet- an organic
Qi bank-

Plug in and stream that energy, download and upload -deposits
for food.

We are nothing more than circuits in a Motherboard universe.

HUNGRY GHOSTS = Sustenance, accessing pure energy, to stay
active visiting various realms.

EVERYTHING IS AN ENERGY EXCHANGE.



Once you pay a Teacher, and ask to be in the Lineage of the
group- you willingly become part of the egregore.


This is not a bad thing- not everyone has bad
experiences, obviously.


That's NOT saying, it doesn't happen, though:


If you are now part of an 8 generation dynasty of Qi masters,
maybe hundreds of deceased entities, the chances that some of
them are Malevolent is a very good though.

Vampires legends show that the victims willingly allowed the
vampire to "enter their domain, voluntarily"
Transmission, Aliens, Ghosts, Qi - SonOfTheGods - The Tao Bums http://thetaobums.com/topic/34574-transmission-aliens-ghosts-qi/
14 of 29 4/30/2014 11:12 AM


If you have had an Energy Transmission, and you find
yourself being visited while asleep, I would question
what is going on, and get some active psychic self
defense going on.


I have Warned REPEATEDLY on TheTaoBums about
allowing "just anyone" to give you an Energy
Transmission.



Ok, I will state this for the Record, One More Time-
because you just know- someone- will complain:

This DOES NOT ALWAYS HAPPEN!


But Happen, (sometimes) -It Does:




Signs, Symptoms, Scenario:

So, you are on TheTaoBums.
You read stories of people who can do incredible things
(supposedly)
Damn, I wish I could do that- you think to yourself.
Someone tells you, keep practicing and in 25 years- you too,
Maybe, can do great things.
Transmission, Aliens, Ghosts, Qi - SonOfTheGods - The Tao Bums http://thetaobums.com/topic/34574-transmission-aliens-ghosts-qi/
15 of 29 4/30/2014 11:12 AM
Wait, 25 years?
I WANT IT NOW!
Can I speed this process up?
I have other things to do, responsibilities, etc
I can't wait!
NOW!
So, now you hear this Teacher/random dude, can give you
healing, power, all through attending sessions, group meeting
etc.
"They" have books, websites, DVDs, etc.
Diplomas, Certificates, claim ancestors, lineages, many
students.
Photos of people floating around on their websites, with short
comments by students saying now they can shoot light out of
their ears.
Wow! Oozing like total awesomeness!
You know the bit.
Of course, it costs MONEY.
But so what? You can't put a price tag on Immortality!
Of course, it costs A LOT of MONEY.
Maybe -sign short agreement that you won't tell anybody
about our secret traditions etc.
Only comment on Approved Forums.
That sort of thing.
wink wink
Even if you live far away, the energy is all encompassing, and
we can reach you.
So, anxiously, you Enroll!
Wow! Oozing like total awesomeness, right???
Suddenly, you now have fellow students welcoming you, like
one big family.
wink wink
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Ok, The famous Qi Transmission hits you- and you're
thinking- well, I think I felt something- not sure though.
hmmmm.
So, now your instant family reassures you, it's all good.
You still can't shoot fire and stuff, but what the hell- neither
can the other students- but, eventually you will.
Because, now- you start to feel your body parts starting to
move on their own accord.
Kriyas are so cool.
Everyday, like a faithful student, you do your given exercises.
Every night before sleep, you kiss your teacher's photo.
Guru love- fabulous!
Something starts to happen though.
You aren't sure- but feel kind of strange.
WAIT!
Must be working now!
So, You do your exercise and go to sleep.
Then, like "Nightmare on Elm Street"- you now -no longer
want to sleep!
oops..
You dread going to sleep.
You FEAR sleeping.
lol what?
How come?
Well, when you sleep:
You feel hands touching you.
Common occurances include having Eyes, Mouth, Head being
'accessed" probed, manipulated..
Where your Qi flows, MingMen, Perineum, all being
Tampered with.
Sometimes you glimpse these entities and they appear like
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17 of 29 4/30/2014 11:12 AM
spirits.
Somtimes, not so human.
oops.
Cataleptic states, your physical body, locked up, and inability
to move or struggle.
I hate when that happens.
Teacher Teacher, something is wrong!
Well, those are our secret masters, helping you and healing
you.
Other students know about "this".
But No One Discusses It.
Each one, paralysed by fear, and hoping it wil gradually pass
away, and then -the power will come!
Just- Attend more sessions, etc
Remember- you're still paying money for this!
oops.
Memories arise.
Still, you really aren't getting the promised power heaing etc.
Neither are the fellow students.
-What to do?


Irony:
You know, people will say ancient Daoists, China, India:
dissected the body, maybe took some hallucinogens, received
visions, OBE: etc,- and that is how they discovered Qi, celestial
longitude, latitudes, etc

If you do some reseach, there are also in the annals of
history, tales of the Yellow Emperor, space travel,
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flying dragons from the stars, and Aryan mummies in
Asian graves.

Extraterrestrial Visitors, exchanging knowledge.


Irony:
People will laugh & mock, but then these same individuals- will
study Wang Liping's writings- who personally knew all about
this "stuff"

These same Trolls will also study Goetia, and try to make
contact with spirits.

But tell them about Exraterrestrial visitors who teach, and they
laugh.

The Book of Enoch talks about Genesis Chapter 6 - the
Watchers, The Nephilim, giants, Annunaki, space travel, time
travel and "angels breeding with humans".

These Watchers, came down from the heavens, and taught
magick, cosmetics, farming, health, and WAR.
SonOfTheGods
The good thing here, is you have a background in Magick.

This stable occult foundation comes in handy, in cases such as
this.

The new Necronomicon, by Joshua Free, is a different and
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Correct take, on the Annunaki.

We have a Reptilian section in our Brain.

Our racial DNA Primordial memories can sometimes cause that
"uneasiness" to stir.

I was very hesitant to post this thread.



theurgy, on 20 Apr 2014 - 11:59, said:
I admit it: I'm one of those people. Intellectually I don't have a
problem accepting the possibility of Extraterrestrials visiting
Earth. I think it's something that I need to open up to gradually
as a felt experience within my body. Having been to Sedona, AZ
and interacted with people who are true believers, I found
myself struggling with the way all the E.T. talk makes me feel. It
seems like one can get ungrounded really fast.

About kunlun--I have experienced the exact same thing you
describe and I have even met Max. I don't think I got an energy
transmission though. Not from the book, in person or via Skype
sessions. Which is fine by me. It does seem to stop doing
anything. Although, at the end of November as ISON was
passing through, I practiced too much and ended up in the
hospital overnight with hallucinations and the worst stomach
pain I've ever had. I woke up half in and half out of my body
and I couldn't get grounded. It was like a bad acid trip. I
stopped practicing for awhile after that.

I never get accosted at night by spirits. Although my good friend
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who has practiced lots of kung-fu does almost once a week.
Everywhere he goes seems to be haunted and I think he may
enjoy it, lol
Edited by SonOfTheGods, 20 April 2014 - 12:05 PM.
theurgy
Yes, it seems like the Work I have done thus far and daily, keeps
me protected.

I have always thought that human beings look like the same
species but we have many different kinds of brains. This is not
based on race or anything like that. The notion here is our DNA is
mixed up such that we are all different mixtures of pre-humans
and extraterrestrials, if you will.

Ever meet someone who HATES sci-fi? It's like their brains don't
understand or want to deal with outer space. A silly example,
perhaps but I trust you get my point.
Edited by theurgy, 20 April 2014 - 12:11 PM.
Posted 20 April 2014 - 12:07 PM
SonOfTheGods
If anyone thinks I am loopy, go listen to Max's Interview
_______________________
Headlined Guest, Max Christensen (http://www.bbsradio.com
/content/headlined-guest-max-christensen)
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Guest Name:
Max Christensen

(http://www.primordialalchemist.com)

http://www.bbsradio....h.WtClNcfG.dpuf
(http://www.bbsradio.com/content/talk-show-episode-
new-realities-april-8-2014#sthash.WtClNcfG.dpuf)
theurgy
Dude it gets way crazier than that in person. He tried teaching me
some alien language phrases.

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I said "When am I ever going to use this?"

He replied: "Well you need to be able to speak to your ancestors
don't you?"
SonOfTheGods
Every species, human and non-human, ALL Organic life- all of it,
has been Contributed to our Planet Earth.

We are like an experiment.
Like a biological farm.
A zoo.
A terrarium.
A science project.

This is no accident.

We are watched.
Attended to.
Some people will get it.
Most, won't.

We didn't Evolve.

We were Donated

theurgy, on 20 Apr 2014 - 12:07, said:
Yes, it seems like the Work I have done thus far and daily, keeps
me protected.

I have always thought that human beings look like the same
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species but we have many different kinds of brains. This is not
based on race or anything like that. The notion here is our DNA
is mixed up such that we are all different mixtures of
pre-humans and extraterrestrials, if you will.

Ever meet someone who HATES sci-fi? It's like their brains
don't understand or want to deal with outer space. A silly
example, perhaps but I trust you get my point.
SonOfTheGods
Enochian.
Sumerian.
Glossolalia
Xenoglossia.


theurgy, on 20 Apr 2014 - 12:14, said:
Dude it gets way crazier than that in person. He tried teaching
me some alien language phrases.

I said "When am I ever going to use this?"

He replied: "Well you need to be able to speak to your ancestors
don't you?"
Posted 20 April 2014 - 12:18 PM
theurgy
For anyone reading this thread that hasn't seen it,
check out the 1973 animated masterpiece

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Fantastic Planet (google it)

It compliments this thread rather nicely!
SonOfTheGods
Max Christensen (http://www.bbsradio.com/content
/headlined-guest-max-christensen) - in This Interview,
talks about accessing a STARGATE with William Henry.

William Henry:

http://www.williamhe...evelations.html
(http://www.williamhenry.net/revelations.html)

You people definitely are missing out on a big chunk of
NeiGong and YOUR LIFE


SonOfTheGods, on 20 Apr 2014 - 12:11, said:
If anyone thinks I am loopy, go listen to Max's
Interview
_______________________
Headlined Guest, Max Christensen (http://www.bbsradio.com
/content/headlined-guest-max-christensen)
Guest Name:
Max Christensen
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(http://www.primordialalchemist.com)

http://www.bbsradio....h.WtClNcfG.dpuf
(http://www.bbsradio.com/content/talk-show-episode-
new-realities-april-8-2014#sthash.WtClNcfG.dpuf)
SonOfTheGods
theurgy, on 20 Apr 2014 - 12:24, said:
For anyone reading this thread that hasn't seen it,
check out the 1973 animated masterpiece

Fantastic Planet (google it)
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It compliments this thread rather nicely!

Watch Fantastic Planet Online


IMDB Rating: 7.6/10 from 7,707 votes

Release: 1973 (http://putlocker.bz/year/1973/1) / Fantastic
Planet (http://putlocker.bz/watch-fantastic-planet-online-
free-putlocker.html) Genre: Animation (http://putlocker.bz
/genre/animation/1) | Drama (http://putlocker.bz/genre
/drama/1) | Sci-Fi (http://putlocker.bz/genre/sci-fi/1)

Synopsis: Slaves and masters dominate the narrative of the
faraway world of Ygam. Set around the lifespan of Ter, a minute
human shaped Om slave, and pet, of the giant blue alien Draags.
Escaping into the wilderness and with a devise used for
intellectual advancement of the Draags, Ter finds refuge and
support from fellow Om's and using the learning tool, he finds
that knowledge is power and then sets to use the new found
knowledge to revolt against the Draag masters...
Edited by SonOfTheGods, 20 April 2014 - 12:27 PM.
theurgy
So what role Enochian play in all of this?

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It has a decidedly alien flavor to it.

The french alchemist Jean Dubuis apparently wrote a course on
Enochian
but then destroyed it saying it was too dangerous to put out there.
SonOfTheGods
Dee was searching for the lost book(s) of Enoch.

Of course we have them now.

But when Dee was looking for them, (he thought there was only
one book) and started talking to these entities, he named them
Enochian.

Enoch talks all about the Watchers, Annunaki, Nephilim.

Dee knew all about this.



theurgy, on 20 Apr 2014 - 12:27, said:
So what role Enochian play in all of this?

It has a decidedly alien flavor to it.

The french alchemist Jean Dubuis apparently wrote a course on
Enochian
but then destroyed it saying it was too dangerous to put out
there.

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Posted 20 April 2014 - 01:00 PM
theurgy
One thing is for sure, this is a topic that most Teachers don't
openly talk about. I believe that unless the student is actively
working to purify their karma, it is best left alone for a time.
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Aliens Aliens,, ET ET,, interdimensional interdimensional,, transmission transmission,,
SonOfTheGods
theurgy, on 20 Apr 2014 - 13:02, said:
One thing is for sure, this is a topic that most Teachers don't
openly talk about. I believe that unless the student is actively
working to purify their karma, it is best left alone for a time.
If the student asks why he is being visited with nocturnal terrors
though the teacher should be honest and tell him what's up

Can be scarey lol
Posted 20 April 2014 - 01:12 PM
Aetherous
Awesome post, SonOfTheGods.

I made this thread (http://thetaobums.com/topic/22741-notes-
from-the-dark-side-of-the-force/) back in the day, which was
inspired by my life after having started Kunlun.
In hindsight...there are paths and teachers out there which some
call "negativism". Basically meaning that these things aren't fully
positive and beneficial for the practitioner. On the other hand,
perhaps opening up to all things is good in some ways. At the very
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least, you gain experience, which for some is worth it.
"Odin gave his eye for knowledge, but I would give far more." -
Ragnar Lothbrok from the first episode of the show, Vikings (a
cool quote!)
And you could also gain self-healing, increased intuition, etc.
There are two sides to this coin...it can be positive and/or
negative. Such it is with opening up to all things.
At least personally, I never had horrible experiences. Nightmares
aren't so bad to deal with. The one reptile experience I had was
actually kind of funny, in how ineffectual the thing was. In actual
life, the hardships I had (which were many) were mostly brought
on by myself. I have progressed in character from these things.
I've since moved onto paths that aren't negative in nature at all.
But I still have a soft spot in my heart for the mysterious path of
Kunlun, and the controversial figure of Max.
Anyway, once again, great post, Son.
Uroboros
I used to have haunting type situations occur everyday since I was
a child. Saw people, animals, not so human things, etc.

Then it got scary. Eyes constantly watching, shadows following
and watching, people there but not there.

It has lessened a huge amount since I started training QiGong.

No nightmares or nothing. I am more...balanced, easier to handle
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whatever does happen without getting swept up in it.

I think ET's exist and they probably did come here before....We
live in a strange world, in a strange part of the universe...

If we are a mix of different species, does this have to do with
unlocking our potential?
SonOfTheGods
In the Max Interview I posted, Max said his teachers told him that
only 1% of the whole world's populace ever evolves.


I didn't think it was THAT high, to be honest


Let's do the Math:

As of March 26, 2014, Earth's population was estimated to
number 7.157 billion

But:

Only 71,570,000 people evolve

Rounded off:

That's 72 million people in the whole world evolve.

California USA has a population of 33 million people

Just to get an idea of how small of an amount 72 million people is.
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1 out of every 100

Go to the Mall, maybe 2 out of everyone you see- Evolves.


SonOfTheGods
Aetherous, on 20 Apr 2014 - 13:17, said:
Awesome post, SonOfTheGods.

I made this thread (http://thetaobums.com/topic/22741-notes-
from-the-dark-side-of-the-force/) back in the day, which was
inspired by my life after having started Kunlun.
In hindsight...there are paths and teachers out there which
some call "negativism". Basically meaning that these things
aren't fully positive and beneficial for the practitioner. On the
other hand, perhaps opening up to all things is good in some
ways. At the very least, you gain experience, which for some is
worth it.
"Odin gave his eye for knowledge, but I would give far more."
- Ragnar Lothbrok from the first episode of the show, Vikings (a
cool quote!)
And you could also gain self-healing, increased intuition, etc.
There are two sides to this coin...it can be positive and/or
negative. Such it is with opening up to all things.
At least personally, I never had horrible experiences.
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Nightmares aren't so bad to deal with. The one reptile
experience I had was actually kind of funny, in how ineffectual
the thing was. In actual life, the hardships I had (which were
many) were mostly brought on by myself. I have progressed in
character from these things.
I've since moved onto paths that aren't negative in nature at all.
But I still have a soft spot in my heart for the mysterious path of
Kunlun, and the controversial figure of Max.
Anyway, once again, great post, Son.
Thank you brother!
I am glad all is well for you.
SonOfTheGods
Uroboros, on 20 Apr 2014 - 13:17, said:
I used to have haunting type situations occur everyday since I
was a child. Saw people, animals, not so human things, etc.

Then it got scary. Eyes constantly watching, shadows following
and watching, people there but not there.

It has lessened a huge amount since I started training QiGong.

No nightmares or nothing. I am more...balanced, easier to
handle whatever does happen without getting swept up in it.

I think ET's exist and they probably did come here before....We
live in a strange world, in a strange part of the universe...

If we are a mix of different species, does this have to do with
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unlocking our potential?
Did a teacher ever give you -personally, an Energy Transmission?
Uroboros
SonOfTheGods, on 20 Apr 2014 - 13:26, said:
Did a teacher ever give you -personally, an Energy
Transmission?

Nope. Not as far as I know, have I ever had an energy
transmission.
Posted 20 April 2014 - 01:31 PM
Captain Mar-Vell
...
I have never had an energy transmission from a teacher.

I have no leash, I have no master.

Ever do I run the faster.

I did feel the beatific presence of Olias gave me a blessing, but that
was not at all the same thing.

I attuned only with higher self spirit.
...
Posted 20 April 2014 - 01:43 PM
SonOfTheGods
Uroboros, on 20 Apr 2014 - 13:31, said:
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Nope. Not as far as I know, have I ever had an energy
transmission.

Awesome.

That could be the reason, that- when you started NeiGong- the
visitations Halted.

A bad energy transmission may have exasperated it.
SonOfTheGods
I know a lot of people are going to be severely disappointed when
they hear the latest Max Christenson Interview on New Realities
Radio.
Many of his students and supporters are going to be severely
disenchanted with his interview.
How do I know?
Many of his students and his supporters, on TaoBums, do not
believe in Stargates, Aliens etc
I personally know, because I have argued with some of them about
this stuff in PMs and in Emails.
Max Christenson visited the StarGate with William Henry, he says
on this latest Interview.
William Henry also hangs around with David Icke and David
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Wilcock
Yes, this is the New Age crowd.
David Icke and David Wilcock, both, believe the Reptilian
doctrines.
http://divinecosmos.com/ (http://divinecosmos.com/)

http://www.davidicke.com/ (http://www.davidicke.com/)


SonOfTheGods
http://thetaobums.co...up-poll/page-33 (http://thetaobums.com
/topic/9592-kunlun-follow-up-poll/page-33)

Trunk, on 25 Jul 2009 - 10:20, said:
People ask if anyone got hurt, or assert that no one got hurt.
Again, I'm rather astonished. If you read the links
(http://www.thetaobums.com/index.php?s=&
showtopic=9592&view=findpost&p=131165) , you'd know that...
There was a situation where negative reptilian entities were
harassing Yoda and those in his home, including children - and
stubbornly wouldn't go away... Yoda had to find extraordinary
outside help to get the entities to leave - and it took a while.
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And, he said that he had talked to "more than a dozen"
kunluners who had problems with negative entities - at least one
other had the problem of entities bothering others in the
household. Isn't that enough?!?! to define "harm"?!?!
Jeez!, who are you people?!?
So, we know that there is a trend in the KL school that this sort
of thing happens. Let's look towards the future. What about
parents that took, will take, KL seminars after this trend became
known? If I were a father and I took a seminar and later my kids
started having "reptile trouble" and I found out that it was a
known trend in the KL school and no one warned me
before-hand?!?! What if a parent (seminar participant) had a
child at home with emotional/developmental troubles? What if
a parent had an infant, too young to talk, in the house? ... or if a
wife in pregnancy? What sort of minds disregard thinking
through these simple predictable situations?... and deflect,
diminish their significance?

Trunk, on 22 Jul 2009 - 13:49, said:
Thread Summary
At 25 pgs, this thread is way too long for noobs easy reference.
But it's also a really important part of the KL puzzle and so
(below) I'm listing a linked summary of important posts in this
thread... a quick Cliff-notes through the prism of how I see this
thread. Worth bookmarking, imo, so that noobs can get this part
of the puzzle - that is not at all obvious in the beginning.
Summary Posts: #90 (http://www.thetaobums.com
/index.php?showtopic=9592&st=80&p=115114&#entry115114) ,
#107 (http://www.thetaobums.com/index.php?s=&
showtopic=9592&view=findpost&p=115181) , #118
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(http://www.thetaobums.com/index.php?s=&
showtopic=9592&view=findpost&p=115230) , #122
(http://www.thetaobums.com/index.php?s=&
showtopic=9592&view=findpost&p=115263) , #135
(http://www.thetaobums.com/index.php?s=&
showtopic=9592&view=findpost&p=115294) , #157
(http://www.thetaobums.com/index.php?s=&
showtopic=9592&view=findpost&p=115397) , #166
(http://www.thetaobums.com/index.php?s=&
showtopic=9592&view=findpost&p=115424) , #279
(http://www.thetaobums.com/index.php?s=&
showtopic=9592&view=findpost&p=115713) , #360
(http://www.thetaobums.com/index.php?s=&
showtopic=9592&view=findpost&p=116071) , #362
(http://www.thetaobums.com/index.php?showtopic=9592&
st=360&p=116074&#entry116074) , #367
(http://www.thetaobums.com/index.php?s=&
showtopic=9592&view=findpost&p=116093) , #390
(http://www.thetaobums.com/index.php?s=&
showtopic=9592&view=findpost&p=116270) , #395
(http://www.thetaobums.com/index.php?s=&
showtopic=9592&view=findpost&p=116332) , #460
(http://www.thetaobums.com/index.php?s=&
showtopic=9592&view=findpost&p=121034) , #584
(http://www.thetaobums.com/index.php?s=&
showtopic=9592&view=findpost&p=132443) .
http://thetaobums.co...-32#entry131165 (http://thetaobums.com
/topic/9592-kunlun-follow-up-poll/page-32#entry131165)

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Uroboros
SonOfTheGods, on 20 Apr 2014 - 13:50, said:
Awesome.

That could be the reason, that- when you started NeiGong- the
visitations Halted.

A bad energy transmission may have exasperated it.

Im super glad they did...I could barely sleep for 10 years.
Constantly terrified. No mas.


SonOfTheGods, on 20 Apr 2014 - 13:52, said:
I know a lot of people are going to be severely disappointed
when they hear the latest Max Christenson Interview on New
Realities Radio.
Many of his students and supporters are going to be severely
disenchanted with his interview.
How do I know?
Many of his students and his supporters, on TaoBums, do not
believe in Stargates, Aliens etc
I personally know, because I have argued with some of them
about this stuff in PMs and in Emails.
Max Christenson visited the StarGate with William Henry, he
says on this latest Interview.
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William Henry also hangs around with David Icke and David
Wilcock
Yes, this is the New Age crowd.
David Icke and David Wilcock, both, believe the Reptilian
doctrines.
http://divinecosmos.com/ (http://divinecosmos.com/)

http://www.davidicke.com/ (http://www.davidicke.com/)



David Wilcock used to be a solid resource....then the whole ben
fulford thing started and now...I question his integrity/ validity.

David Icke as well.

I think they may very well be correct in many of their ideas. I think
they were gotten to/ changed and so I do not give their
information much credence any longer.
Uroboros
Are you saying that the Kunlun school of Max Christensen is based
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in ET/ subtle dimensional beings and channels/ gains powers
from them?

Thereby opening you up to them like a full course buffet?

If so...thats terrifying! Especially because it seems they are not the
kind I would want anywhere near me...

Now, I do not have a problem with spirit work/ different beings.
Im extremely picky as to the kind of spirit I would work with
because of my past.
SonOfTheGods
Uroboros, on 20 Apr 2014 - 14:06, said:
Are you saying that the Kunlun school of Max Christensen is
based in ET/ subtle dimensional beings and channels/ gains
powers from them?

Thereby opening you up to them like a full course buffet?

If so...thats terrifying! Especially because it seems they are not
the kind I would want anywhere near me...

Now, I do not have a problem with spirit work/ different beings.
Im extremely picky as to the kind of spirit I would work with
because of my past.

All those links I posted are from TaoBums.

People from this forum, including the TaoBums owner Trunk,
share info on that.
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There's other teachers too- who are passing off students
to abduction like scenarios

Intentionally or not
Edited by SonOfTheGods, 20 April 2014 - 02:17 PM.
Uroboros
SonOfTheGods, on 20 Apr 2014 - 14:15, said:
All those links I posted are from TaoBums.

People from this forum, including the TaoBums owner Trunk,
share info on that.


There's other teachers too- who are passing off
students to abduction like scenarios

Intentionally or not

Damn. Im all for spirits/ immortals/ et's sharing knowledge/
teachings...not when it is malevolent.

thats a huge problem. Whether or not its intentional- hey kid im
gonna open you up for spirit buffet- or not, its is the teachers
responsibility.

Sure, if the system opens you up to that world and its not actually
making you a buffet, thats different. Great power and wisdom in
that. IF you know how to integrate and filter what can connect/
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attach. If not, then its buffet grande.
SonOfTheGods
Uroboros, on 20 Apr 2014 - 14:23, said:

Damn. Im all for spirits/ immortals/ et's sharing knowledge/
teachings...not when it is malevolent.

thats a huge problem. Whether or not its intentional- hey kid im
gonna open you up for spirit buffet- or not, its is the teachers
responsibility.

Sure, if the system opens you up to that world and its not
actually making you a buffet, thats different. Great power and
wisdom in that. IF you know how to integrate and filter what
can connect/ attach. If not, then its buffet grande.
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theurgy
What can we say is an alternative approach/practice to opening up
experiences and knowledge of these beings and dimensions
gradually and safely?
Posted 20 April 2014 - 04:29 PM
Uroboros
theurgy, on 20 Apr 2014 - 16:29, said:
What can we say is an alternative approach/practice to opening
up experiences and knowledge of these beings and dimensions
gradually and safely?

That is a great question!

How to do it...with a modest level of safety or certainty that we
wont get lost?
Posted 20 April 2014 - 04:32 PM
theurgy
SonOfTheGods, on 20 Apr 2014 - 11:44, said:
I ran my course in Kunlun.
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I grew tired of it, eventually- as I just wasn't getting anywhere
with it, anymore.


That could just be unique to me.

...I was also thinking that this may be BECAUSE of your
initiations in the Western Mystery Tradition. My friend and
brother magician also got nowhere with kunlun. Perhaps being a
practicing magician is a control valve that prevents/blocks all the
wacky vampirism that people mistake for "progress."

Another important question: is one's Holy Guardian Angel an
E.T.- like entity that acts as a "variable control" gradually opening
one up to multi-dimensional experiences and energies?
thelerner
SonOfTheGods, on 20 Apr 2014 - 12:26, said:
Watch Fantastic Planet Online

Release: 1973 (http://putlocker.bz/year/1973/1) / Fantastic
Planet (http://putlocker.bz/watch-fantastic-planet-online-
free-putlocker.html) Genre: Animation (http://putlocker.bz
/genre/animation/1) | Drama (http://putlocker.bz/genre
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/drama/1) | Sci-Fi (http://putlocker.bz/genre/sci-fi/1)
Synopsis: Slaves and masters dominate the narrative of the
faraway world of Ygam. Set around the lifespan of Ter, a minute
human shaped Om slave, and pet, of the giant blue alien Draags.
Escaping into the wilderness and with a devise used for
intellectual advancement of the Draags, Ter finds refuge and
support from fellow Om's and using the learning tool, he finds
that knowledge is power and then sets to use the new found
knowledge to revolt against the Draag masters...
Saw it many years ago. Very dark.
GrandmasterP
For sure not all spirits are benign or benevolent.
Like attracts like maybe, sometimes.
If we set an intention for the best then, by and large that's what we
tend to get.
A guide ( your 'holy guardian angel' maybe) is useful and I'd not
be without mine albeit sometimes she can be a bit of an old nag.
I've no experience of transmission as such , our path reckons that
everyone starts out psychic and in tune with spirits.
We've all seen babies 'talking to' folks that no one else in the room
can see.
But then most people get that 'gift' laughed and reasoned out of
them as they grow up and it gets sidelined into dreaming or goes
completely.
On another forum I visit there are lots of posters who talk about
annunakis ( Sp?) and extra terrestrials and all sorts but the
experiences they describe and the entities they give names to,
seem to me; to be none different to the sorts of everyday
experiences that spiritualists tend to take for granted.
There's a commonality to narrative.
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Maybe we are all describing the same things but filtering our
experiences of those things through the mindset and/ or labels of
our own particular path.
A while ago we had a Bon Shaman a Tibetan guy from India visit
our centre and he was as at home with us as we were with him.
He enjoyed the tea and cakes too.
If anyone is troubled by entities and suspect that unwelcome
entities might have somehow attached themselves to the sufferers
'psyche' ( for want of a better word)...
Being 'bugged' by 'boogies' as it were then there are two definitely
useful routes to explore.
1: Talk it through with a trusted friend or teacher.
2: Meditate with intention for only the highest and the best and let
anything less than that 'go'. As one does with nuisance thoughts in
meditation.
Observe them and gently return to one's breathing.
If the welcome mat isn't out then unwanted 'guests' won't stick
around for long.
Whatever we 'feeds' - breeds, for good or ill.
It's always our call, nobody else's.
Hope that helps.
:-)
Edited by GrandmasterP, 20 April 2014 - 05:20 PM.
KenBrace
SonOfTheGods, on 20 Apr 2014 - 11:44, said:
I was doing some research on TheTaoBums archives via Google.

I was listening to Max Christenson newest radio interview, so I
wanted to check up on fellow TTB'ers to see how their Kunlun
training was going.
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I used to do Kunlun, and the 3 levels of Red Phoenix.

Actually I have done all of Max's exercises in his book(s)

I ran my course in Kunlun.

I grew tired of it, eventually- as I just wasn't getting anywhere
with it, anymore.


That could just be unique to me.

LOL
Edited by KenBrace, 20 April 2014 - 05:39 PM.
Uroboros
KenBrace, on 20 Apr 2014 - 17:38, said:
LOL
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That was....odd.

See, its that kind of thing that gives these arts a bad reputation.
Sure, they may be legitimate in what is going on there....It may not
be. It certainly does not look legit.

It looks dramatic and fake. This is why you must feel it, videos just
dont cut it.
KenBrace
Uroboros, on 20 Apr 2014 - 17:45, said:

That was....odd.

See, its that kind of thing that gives these arts a bad reputation.
Sure, they may be legitimate in what is going on there....It may
not be. It certainly does not look legit.

It looks dramatic and fake. This is why you must feel it,
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videos just dont cut it.

That's exactly what it is, dramatic and completely fake. What get's
me is that these people actually think they look convincing lol.
Edited by KenBrace, 20 April 2014 - 06:01 PM.
GrandmasterP
+1
There's a lot of 'Push Hands' youtube clips along similar lines.
'Never say never', say I.
BUT
It generally seems to be the teacher's own students who are being
tossed around.
One would really need to be there and directly experience
whatever was on offer.
That clip posted above does seem to be 'advertising' to some extent
and adverts do tend to overstate the case sometimes.
Edited by GrandmasterP, 20 April 2014 - 06:03 PM.
Posted 20 April 2014 - 06:03 PM
SonOfTheGods
theurgy, on 20 Apr 2014 - 16:29, said:
What can we say is an alternative approach/practice to opening
up experiences and knowledge of these beings and dimensions
gradually and safely?

Personally, I would NEVER receive an energy transmission from
anyone
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SonOfTheGods
theurgy, on 20 Apr 2014 - 16:49, said:
...I was also thinking that this may be BECAUSE of your
initiations in the Western Mystery Tradition. My friend and
brother magician also got nowhere with kunlun. Perhaps being
a practicing magician is a control valve that prevents/blocks all
the wacky vampirism that people mistake for "progress."

Another important question: is one's Holy Guardian Angel an
E.T.- like entity that acts as a "variable control" gradually
opening one up to multi-dimensional experiences and energies?

Crowley, LAM, the EGG, and the ET equation.

Mathers had a severe asthmatic reaction to ET visitors.

Kenneth Grant loves to discuss ETS.

Necronomicon is chock full of them.

I could make 10 threads on just this question lol
Posted 20 April 2014 - 06:08 PM
KenBrace
GrandmasterP, on 20 Apr 2014 - 18:03, said:
+1
There's a lot of 'Push Hands' youtube clips along similar lines.
'Never say never', say I.
BUT
It generally seems to be the teacher's own students who are
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being tossed around.
One would really need to be there and directly experience
whatever was on offer.
That clip posted above does seem to be 'advertising' to some
extent and adverts do tend to overstate the case sometimes.

I think in the case of videos like the above you can safely say
"rubish". Some demos are borderline and need looking into, but
videos where people (always students) get thrown back from 20 ft
away are obviously fake. Every time these guys get tested by
skeptics they always fail and usually come up with the most
retarded excuses ever.
SonOfTheGods
KenBrace, on 20 Apr 2014 - 17:38, said:
LOL

*LOOKS FOR THE AMAZING JAMES RHANDI AWARD JPEG.*

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lol
SonOfTheGods
GrandmasterP, on 20 Apr 2014 - 17:19, said:
On another forum I visit there are lots of posters who talk about
annunakis ( Sp?) and extra terrestrials and all sorts but the
experiences they describe and the entities they give names to,
seem to me; to be none different to the sorts of everyday
experiences that spiritualists tend to take for granted.

There's some strange forums out there!

`oh wait..
Posted 20 April 2014 - 06:12 PM
SonOfTheGods
Uroboros, on 20 Apr 2014 - 17:45, said:
That was....odd.

See, its that kind of thing that gives these arts a bad reputation.
Sure, they may be legitimate in what is going on there....It may
not be. It certainly does not look legit.

It looks dramatic and fake. This is why you must feel it, videos
just dont cut it.
Max has a lot of followers students and supporters on TaoBums

I'm almost certain someone would love to Interview Max on
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GrandmasterP
KenBrace, on 20 Apr 2014 - 18:09, said:

I think in the case of videos like the above you can safely say
"rubish". Some demos are borderline and need looking into, but
videos where people (always students) get thrown back from 20
ft away are obviously fake. Every time these guys get tested by
skeptics they always fail and usually come up with the most
retarded excuses ever.
Indeed.
Edited by GrandmasterP, 20 April 2014 - 06:16 PM.
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GrandmasterP, on 20 Apr 2014 - 18:15, said:
Indeed.
All respect to each and every teacher.
http://m.youtube.com...h?v=3CGMWlXosp4
(http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3CGMWlXosp4)
Posted 20 April 2014 - 06:18 PM
Uroboros
GrandmasterP, on 20 Apr 2014 - 18:18, said:
All respect to each and every teacher.
http://m.youtube.com...h?v=3CGMWlXosp4
(http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3CGMWlXosp4)

AHH, MASTER KEN!!!

He is super great, grand master of machismo.
Posted 20 April 2014 - 06:20 PM
SonOfTheGods
Pure awesomeness! haha
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GrandmasterP, on 20 Apr 2014 - 18:18, said:
All respect to each and every teacher.
http://m.youtube.com...h?v=3CGMWlXosp4
(http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3CGMWlXosp4)

GrandmasterP
Thanks SoG.
I can only post links using this cruddy tablet.
Seriously though, I do think we can learn from ALL teachers, even
Master Ken.
Maybe, sometimes not exactly the lesson that the teacher planned.
One of the very best teachers I ever had was lazy, always late to
class, generally disinterested and never ever properly prepared.
I learnt from her example what NOT to do.
Edited by GrandmasterP, 20 April 2014 - 06:29 PM.
Posted 20 April 2014 - 06:29 PM
theurgy
Uroboros, on 20 Apr 2014 - 17:45, said:
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That was....odd.

See, its that kind of thing that gives these arts a bad reputation.
Sure, they may be legitimate in what is going on there....It may
not be. It certainly does not look legit.

It looks dramatic and fake. This is why you must feel it, videos
just dont cut it.

I have been in the room with Max and witnessed this stuff
happening...I'm still on the fence about whether it was "real" or
not. For the record, I do like Max. He's one of a kind for sure. But
I also fear he isn't always the one "behind the wheel." There was a
thread on here from awhile back where people were discussing
how Max used to be like a completely different person in years
past. One advanced practitioner--Vajrasattva--even said "the new
Max is from K-PAX."

Now I'm not trying to discredit Max in any way. He is VERY
knowledgeable on a variety of cultivation methods and martial
arts. It seems to me that he doesn't spend a fraction of the amount
of time talking about cultivating virtue as he does about himself
and his far out experiences.
Aetherous
theurgy, on 20 Apr 2014 - 18:36, said:
I have been in the room with Max and witnessed this stuff
happening...I'm still on the fence about whether it was "real" or
not.

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Same. Stuff was tried on me, but it didn't really work. Either that
means the form of energy work itself was fake and people were all
just buying into it and tricking themselves...or that I wasn't open
enough (maybe too strong a sense of self/too much clinging-
mind). Truthfully, I'm on the fence as well, at least when it comes
to the whole making-people-move-weird thing.
Uroboros
Aetherous, on 20 Apr 2014 - 19:05, said:
Same. Stuff was tried on me, but it didn't really work. Either
that means the form of energy work itself was fake and people
were all just buying into it and tricking themselves...or that I
wasn't open enough (maybe too strong a sense of self/too much
clinging-mind). Truthfully, I'm on the fence as well, at least
when it comes to the whole making-people-move-weird thing.

If you need to "let go" or have a "weak mind/ self" for their
manipulation to work...then it is nothing special.

Now, if it works no matter how much you resist, like a blast of
wind from a hurricane, just pure force...Thats awe-some.
Posted 20 April 2014 - 07:07 PM
Aetherous
Uroboros, on 20 Apr 2014 - 19:07, said:
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If you need to "let go" or have a "weak mind/ self" for their
manipulation to work...then it is nothing special.

Now, if it works no matter how much you resist, like a blast of
wind from a hurricane, just pure force...Thats awe-some.

Well, think about it this way...you can't have enlightenment so
long as this clinging mind and experiential concept of self exists.
Basic Buddhism there.
It's not that I was saying you'd need a weak self (as in giving into
hypnosis)...but that if you have always lived in full control of your
every action, and haven't spent a ton of time in relaxed and open
states of being and have that be your natural mode of living, then
that sense of control and focus could stop such a method from
working.
Or on the other hand, it was a mass hypnosis/hysteria kind of
phenomenon. Totally on the fence.
Uroboros
Aetherous, on 20 Apr 2014 - 19:16, said:
Well, think about it this way...you can't have enlightenment so
long as this clinging mind and experiential concept of self exists.
Basic Buddhism there.
It's not that I was saying you'd need a weak self (as in giving
into hypnosis)...but that if you have always lived in full control
of your every action, and haven't spent a ton of time in relaxed
and open states of being and have that be your natural mode of
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living, then that sense of control and focus could stop such a
method from working.
Or on the other hand, it was a mass hypnosis/hysteria kind of
phenomenon. Totally on the fence.

I understand.

I feel that even if you can influence a person when they are in a
receptive state, such as you are describing, but you cannot when
they are out of it...

Then its more of a influence, nudge, hypnosis type thing, then
actual force/ power.

Even if its a real ability, its not much of one. IF thats the height of
heights...does not seem worth going for.
theurgy
Uroboros, on 20 Apr 2014 - 19:07, said:
If you need to "let go" or have a "weak mind/ self" for their
manipulation to work...then it is nothing special.

Now, if it works no matter how much you resist, like a blast of
wind from a hurricane, just pure force...Thats awe-some.

As one Teacher put it Shaktipats and energy transmissions don't
really last long and they're not really effective anyway. After a
getting blasted: "woah that's cool, I'm so high now"...and 5
minutes later..."what do you want to do? Do you want to go have
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chinese food?"

In other words, it leaves you hungry.
Edited by theurgy, 20 April 2014 - 07:39 PM.
KenBrace
Uroboros, on 20 Apr 2014 - 19:07, said:
If you need to "let go" or have a "weak mind/ self" for their
manipulation to work...then it is nothing special.

Now, if it works no matter how much you resist, like a blast of
wind from a hurricane, just pure force...Thats awe-some.

I totally agree. People some up with the lamest excuses. Imo a real
chi demonstration is like grabbing an electric fence. I don't care
what position your body is in, how much you disbelieve, what
state your mind is in, etc. it's going to knock your block off!

LOL! Here's a prime example of the retarded excuses given by
"masters" that have been shown to be frauds by skeptics...

(Start at 5:20)
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Edited by KenBrace, 20 April 2014 - 08:20 PM.
theurgy
KenBrace, on 20 Apr 2014 - 20:18, said:
I totally agree. People some up with the lamest excuses. Imo a
real chi demonstration is like grabbing an electric fence. I don't
care what position your body is in, how much you disbelieve,
what state your mind is in, etc. it's going to knock your block
off!

LOL! Here's a prime example of the retarded excuses given by
"masters" that have been shown to be frauds by skeptics...

(Start at 5:20)
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Dude, you should see MY half-moons!
KenBrace
theurgy, on 20 Apr 2014 - 20:40, said:

Dude, you should see MY half-moons!
...Plus!
Edited by KenBrace, 20 April 2014 - 09:07 PM.
Posted 20 April 2014 - 09:03 PM
Uroboros
KenBrace, on 20 Apr 2014 - 21:03, said:
...Plus!

He had his big toe up! Cant knock him down with his big toe
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up....just cant..
KenBrace
Uroboros, on 20 Apr 2014 - 21:09, said:

He had his big toe up! Cant knock him down with his big toe
up....just cant..
He had his tongue in the wrong position as well...
Posted 20 April 2014 - 09:11 PM
Uroboros
KenBrace, on 20 Apr 2014 - 21:11, said:
He had his tongue in the wrong position as well...

Everything was wrong to do our kamehameha qi ball blast special
ultimate technique on this guy!!

Just everything....(shakes head in sorrow)
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Transmission, Aliens, Ghosts, Qi
Started by SonOfTheGods, Apr 20 2014 11:44 AM
Aliens Aliens,, ET ET,, interdimensional interdimensional,, transmission transmission,,
Uroboros
The real deal is nothing like these guys. No need to believe or wait
so long to build it up. No swaying and then kinda falling.

This is all very pentecostal church-ey. Cultish, even.

It saddens me that this is what people think real Qi work is
about...

Real Internal Martial Power, is the real deal. It was not made for
these shows, it was made for combat, for war, for killing and self
defense.

We as practitioners need to have higher goals, not to settle for
these....unimpressive abilities. We need real, true, abilities and
skills.
Edited by Uroboros, 20 April 2014 - 09:17 PM.
Posted 20 April 2014 - 09:16 PM
theurgy
Once again I must emphasize that cultivating virtue is mission
critical. To chase these kinds of powers without first getting over
one's childish tendencies and baggage is to invite eventual
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disaster. As we progress along the Path, certain abilities will
manifest. But how can one even know how to use such powers if
one doesn't know one's Self? That's like people with an
impoverished mentality who win the lottery. All their lives they
thought "if I just had money, everything would be different." Then
they hit the big winner and it's smooth sailing, right? Wrong. They
haven't changed internally so the money is just a means for them
to remain the same whilst being able to buy some more things. Big
deal. What's more many of these people end up squandering their
winnings and ending up right back where they started.

This is the same as expecting to have some kind of multi-million
dollar "chi bank account" so you can demonstrate to others how
advanced you are. If you simply get over the need to impress
others, you save yourself quite a substantial amount of time.

In ancient times, it was asked of the candidate what they wanted
from the Mysteries, many replied, I wish to know to which they
were asked why? The response sought was short and direct for
which no substitute would be accepted,

I wish to know in order to Serve.

Then the candidate would be asked the hardest questions of all

"Why do you wish to know?
"Who or what do you wish to Serve?"
Edited by theurgy, 21 April 2014 - 12:06 AM.
Uroboros
theurgy, on 20 Apr 2014 - 22:11, said:
Posted 20 April 2014 - 10:18 PM
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Once again I must emphasize that cultivating virtue is mission
critical. To chase these kinds of powers without first getting over
one's childish tendencies and baggage is to invite eventual
disaster. As we progress along the Path, certain abilities will
manifest. But how can one even know how to use such powers if
one doesn't know one's Self? That's like people with an
impoverished mentality who win the lottery. All their lives they
thought "if I just had money, everything would be different."
Then they hit the big winner and it's smooth sailing, right?
Wrong. They haven't changed internally so the money is just a
means for them to remain the same whilst being able to buy
some more things. Big deal. What's more many of these people
end up squandering their winnings and ending up right back
where they started.

This is the same as expecting to have some kind of multi-million
dollar "chi bank account" so you can demonstrate to others how
advanced you are. If you simply get over the need to impress
others, you save yourself quite a substantial amount of time.

In ancient times, it was asked of the candidate what they wanted
from the Mysteries, many replied, I wish to know to which
they were asked why? The response sought was short and direct
for which no substitute would be accepted,

I wish to know in order to Serve.

Then the candidate would ask the hardest questions of all

"Why do you wish to know?
"Who or what do you wish to Serve?"

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I agree. You must develop your Self first. As you say, a million
dollars will do little for one who is poor inside.

Power and abilities/ skills are only as useful as you are.

We must grow, develop, evolve....

Hmm, those are good questions, theurgy.

I will ponder my own answers to them..
SonOfTheGods
Same here.
I like Max- I dig all far out fringe stuff.

The more OUT of the box, the better for me.

When I first started posting on TaoBums, I posted about a "flat
earth".

Of course I didn't believe in that- but I wanted to force
people out of their box- and STOP buying everything
CONTROLLED science and history sells.

For all we know, we live in a fish bowl.

Of course my posts were misconstrued as Trolling.

There are some people on TaoBums that deliberately push a
certain Mainstream agenda.

I'm surprised they haven't showed up on this thread, by now
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theurgy, on 20 Apr 2014 - 18:36, said:
I have been in the room with Max and witnessed this stuff
happening...I'm still on the fence about whether it was "real" or
not. For the record, I do like Max. He's one of a kind for sure.
But I also fear he isn't always the one "behind the wheel." There
was a thread on here from awhile back where people were
discussing how Max used to be like a completely different
person in years past. One advanced practitioner--
Vajrasattva--even said "the new Max is from K-PAX."

Now I'm not trying to discredit Max in any way. He is VERY
knowledgeable on a variety of cultivation methods and martial
arts. It seems to me that he doesn't spend a fraction of the
amount of time talking about cultivating virtue as he does about
himself and his far out experiences.
Edited by SonOfTheGods, 21 April 2014 - 10:02 AM.
GrandmasterP
There's a 'mainstream agenda'?
Here!
On TTB?
(((( reaches for smelling salts))))
Edited by GrandmasterP, 21 April 2014 - 10:07 AM.
Posted 21 April 2014 - 10:07 AM
GrandmasterP
One time back when I started out on here there was a weird mod.
Seriously cannot remember her name.
Musta blanked it out.
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She was all over me like a personal stalker.
I spent more time on the subs bench suspended than ever I did
posting.
She gone.
(((( Yay))))
:-)
DW is the place to get flamed for posting anything 'heretical'.
TTB is so much better these days than once it was.
Only found one 'fundie' so far and he's not too persistent.
Edited by GrandmasterP, 21 April 2014 - 10:12 AM.
SonOfTheGods
Uroboros, on 20 Apr 2014 - 19:07, said:
If you need to "let go" or have a "weak mind/ self" for their
manipulation to work...then it is nothing special.

Now, if it works no matter how much you resist, like a blast of
wind from a hurricane, just pure force...Thats awe-some.

About 12 years ago, my ex-motherinlaw, found out, this.

Once she came to visit and had a bad headache.

She complained about it the WHOLE VISIT.

Finally I said I could "heal it"

So I put my hand on her forehead and the other hand behind her
head/occipital area.

She had a simple stress headache- probably due to my presence.

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Anyway, the headache simply vanished.

Of course, it was "merely a coincidence" that I healed her.

I was okay with her disbelief.

Then she started going on and on that I should have went to school
to become a real doctor, rather than a witch doctor.

I explained to her that the abilities I possess have nothing to do
with modern medicine.

To this she scoffed

I told her about Qi, and she was smug

"Oh you mean like in those stoooooooopid karate movies where
the chinese guys fly around

pure rubbish"- she says

IT'S ON!

So, I said- go stand across the room, a few inches away from
that wall, over there.

So she goes and stands there.

I point my hands at her- palms to her

And let it go!

She was rocking and bouncing her butt off the wall, back and forth
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back and forth- then finally she conceded and sat down, stumbling
towards her chair.


Not missing having the last word- she told me: "well at least you
should be rolling in money, if you sold your soul to the devil"
SonOfTheGods
Uroboros, on 20 Apr 2014 - 19:33, said:
I understand.

I feel that even if you can influence a person when they are in a
receptive state, such as you are describing, but you cannot when
they are out of it...

Then its more of a influence, nudge, hypnosis type thing, then
actual force/ power.

Even if its a real ability, its not much of one. IF thats the height
of heights...does not seem worth going for.

Plus you do not want to be the ONLY guy in the room who can't
feel this display of awesome powerrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!
Posted 21 April 2014 - 10:19 AM
SonOfTheGods
theurgy, on 20 Apr 2014 - 19:36, said:
As one Teacher put it Shaktipats and energy transmissions don't
really last long and they're not really effective anyway. After a
getting blasted: "woah that's cool, I'm so high now"...and 5
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minutes later..."what do you want to do? Do you want to go have
chinese food?"

In other words, it leaves you hungry.

Exactly- that's why I disagree with some schools where the teacher
must give you an energy transmission in order for their new
chikung methods to work.
SonOfTheGods
Uroboros, on 20 Apr 2014 - 21:09, said:
He had his big toe up! Cant knock him down with his big toe
up....just cant..
Jim McMillan called this guy out, in his book- but didn't mention
his name.

Wrote about the toe up fiasco lol
Posted 21 April 2014 - 10:23 AM
SonOfTheGods
theurgy, on 20 Apr 2014 - 22:11, said:
Once again I must emphasize that cultivating virtue is mission
critical. To chase these kinds of powers without first getting over
one's childish tendencies and baggage is to invite eventual
disaster. As we progress along the Path, certain abilities will
manifest. But how can one even know how to use such powers if
one doesn't know one's Self? That's like people with an
impoverished mentality who win the lottery. All their lives they
thought "if I just had money, everything would be different."
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Then they hit the big winner and it's smooth sailing, right?
Wrong. They haven't changed internally so the money is just a
means for them to remain the same whilst being able to buy
some more things. Big deal. What's more many of these people
end up squandering their winnings and ending up right back
where they started.

This is the same as expecting to have some kind of multi-million
dollar "chi bank account" so you can demonstrate to others how
advanced you are. If you simply get over the need to impress
others, you save yourself quite a substantial amount of time.

In ancient times, it was asked of the candidate what they wanted
from the Mysteries, many replied, I wish to know to which
they were asked why? The response sought was short and direct
for which no substitute would be accepted,

I wish to know in order to Serve.

Then the candidate would be asked the hardest questions of all

"Why do you wish to know?
"Who or what do you wish to Serve?"
theurgy
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Exactly. I always think of that line from spiderman (was it uncle
Ben???) in these kinds of discussions.
To get back on the topic at hand, I have found in practice that
Bloodstone (in raw form)
is great for keeping "things that go bump in the night" at bay.
As is doing some kind of daily purification ritual.
Edited by theurgy, 21 April 2014 - 02:03 PM.
theurgy
SonOfTheGods, on 21 Apr 2014 - 10:19, said:
Plus you do not want to be the ONLY guy in the room who
can't feel this display of awesome powerrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!

I sort of feel this way when I read accounts of kunlun like this:


Quote
That said, the beauty of a competent system (like kunlun), is
that after a certain point, your own awareness has developed to
such a degree that you can receive perfect practices directly
from Highest Divine Spirits and Ancestors (or demons, if that's
your thing). Kunlun gives you the opportunity to truly follow
your own path.

Again, I'm not sure why people like you and I got fairly paltry
results compared to someone like this. Perhaps it really is because
of our magical practices or we are too scholarly or PLUS our toes
are sometimes up and that is not playful enough for the kunlun
egregore. PLUS...(fill in the blank)
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Uroboros
theurgy, on 21 Apr 2014 - 14:01, said:
Exactly. I always think of that line from spiderman (was it uncle
Ben???) in these kinds of discussions.
To get back on the topic at hand, I have found in practice that
Bloodstone (in raw form)
is great for keeping "things that go bump in the night" at bay.
As is doing some kind of daily purification ritual.

What is a bloodstone?

Yes, back on topic time, hehe.

If you watch a scary movie, then start to see/ hear/ experience the
visitations, did you open the door? If so, how do you close it?


theurgy, on 21 Apr 2014 - 14:34, said:
I sort of feel this way when I read accounts of kunlun like this:



Again, I'm not sure why people like you and I got fairly paltry
results compared to someone like this. Perhaps it really is
because of our magical practices or we are too scholarly or PLUS
our toes are sometimes up and that is not playful enough for the
kunlun egregore. PLUS...(fill in the blank)

Maybe your previous experiences in cultivation already have your
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system cultivated in a certain way that does not mesh with
kunlun?

Say, if you do Wild Goose by itself, you will cultivate in one way, if
you add in YinGongJIn, it changes it a bit....

Its a good change, for sure. It just adds some different things into
the mix.

So say kunlun needs someone who is not so...different. You both
would have had to wash the plate clean, so to speak, to get
anywhere with it.
Uroboros
SonOfTheGods, on 21 Apr 2014 - 10:00, said:
Same here.
I like Max- I dig all far out fringe stuff.

The more OUT of the box, the better for me.

When I first started posting on TaoBums, I posted about a "flat
earth".

Of course I didn't believe in that- but I wanted to force
people out of their box- and STOP buying everything
CONTROLLED science and history sells.

For all we know, we live in a fish bowl.

Of course my posts were misconstrued as Trolling.

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There are some people on TaoBums that deliberately push a
certain Mainstream agenda.

I'm surprised they haven't showed up on this thread, by now

I enjoyed your posts like the flat earth one. Until I experience
something, I keep it open to much doubt. Even when I do
experience it, I acknowledge how little I experience of what is truly
there and how easy it is to manipulate the senses.

Some people often take pointing out views/ ideas that are so wild
to them, as trolling. Its absurd to them.

Like Qi is to some particle scientists.

History is written by the conquerors and winners...the agenda
they want is the one they most often get.
Uroboros
SonOfTheGods, on 21 Apr 2014 - 10:16, said:
About 12 years ago, my ex-motherinlaw, found out, this.

Once she came to visit and had a bad headache.

She complained about it the WHOLE VISIT.

Finally I said I could "heal it"

So I put my hand on her forehead and the other hand behind
her head/occipital area.

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She had a simple stress headache- probably due to my presence.

Anyway, the headache simply vanished.

Of course, it was "merely a coincidence" that I healed her.

I was okay with her disbelief.

Then she started going on and on that I should have went to
school to become a real doctor, rather than a witch doctor.

I explained to her that the abilities I possess have nothing to do
with modern medicine.

To this she scoffed

I told her about Qi, and she was smug

"Oh you mean like in those stoooooooopid karate movies
where the chinese guys fly around

pure rubbish"- she says

IT'S ON!

So, I said- go stand across the room, a few inches away from
that wall, over there.

So she goes and stands there.

I point my hands at her- palms to her

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And let it go!

She was rocking and bouncing her butt off the wall, back and
forth back and forth- then finally she conceded and sat down,
stumbling towards her chair.


Not missing having the last word- she told me: "well at least
you should be rolling in money, if you sold your soul to the
devil"

SonOfTheGods, on 21 Apr 2014 - 10:16, said:
About 12 years ago, my ex-motherinlaw, found out, this.

Once she came to visit and had a bad headache.

She complained about it the WHOLE VISIT.

Finally I said I could "heal it"

So I put my hand on her forehead and the other hand behind
her head/occipital area.

She had a simple stress headache- probably due to my presence.

Anyway, the headache simply vanished.

Of course, it was "merely a coincidence" that I healed her.

I was okay with her disbelief.

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Then she started going on and on that I should have went to
school to become a real doctor, rather than a witch doctor.

I explained to her that the abilities I possess have nothing to do
with modern medicine.

To this she scoffed

I told her about Qi, and she was smug

"Oh you mean like in those stoooooooopid karate movies
where the chinese guys fly around

pure rubbish"- she says

IT'S ON!

So, I said- go stand across the room, a few inches away from
that wall, over there.

So she goes and stands there.

I point my hands at her- palms to her

And let it go!

She was rocking and bouncing her butt off the wall, back and
forth back and forth- then finally she conceded and sat down,
stumbling towards her chair.


Not missing having the last word- she told me: "well at least
you should be rolling in money, if you sold your soul to the
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devil"

HAHAH!

Good lawd....Yes, you sold your soul to the devil. He prefers to be
called Satin the Defier. He does not pay taxes.

Is this why she is your ex mother in law? Too much qi battery?
heh

Thats the kind of thing we need to shoot for. To heal, to affect...to
transform our selves.

Not like the millman guy.
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Started by SonOfTheGods, Apr 20 2014 11:44 AM
Aliens Aliens,, ET ET,, interdimensional interdimensional,, transmission transmission,,
theurgy
http://en.wikipedia....trope_(mineral) (http://en.wikipedia.org
/wiki/Heliotrope_(mineral))

Bloodstone has a strongly Mars/Fire energy to it. On its own it will
help you resonate with courage, fearlessness and determination.
When empowered it will send demons and ghosts running in the
opposite direction of the wearer. Legend has it that these entities
fear the stone for its mysterious power.

Maybe your previous experiences in cultivation already have your
system cultivated in a certain way that does not mesh with
kunlun?

Quote

Say, if you do Wild Goose by itself, you will cultivate in one way,
if you add in YinGongJIn, it changes it a bit....

Its a good change, for sure. It just adds some different things
into the mix.

So say kunlun needs someone who is not so...different. You both
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would have had to wash the plate clean, so to speak, to get
anywhere with it.
Great post. This is something I have been hinting at without
saying outright. Suffice it to say that the entities in our respective
lineages may not be on the same page.
Edited by theurgy, 21 April 2014 - 03:12 PM.
Uroboros
theurgy, on 21 Apr 2014 - 15:10, said:
http://en.wikipedia....trope_(mineral) (http://en.wikipedia.org
/wiki/Heliotrope_(mineral))

Bloodstone has a strongly Mars/Fire energy to it. On its own it
will help you resonate with courage, fearlessness and
determination. When empowered it will send demons and
ghosts running in the opposite direction of the wearer. Legend
has it that these entities fear the stone for its mysterious power.

Maybe your previous experiences in cultivation already have
your system cultivated in a certain way that does not mesh with
kunlun?

Great post. This is something I have been hinting at without
saying outright. Suffice it to say that the entities in our
respective lineages may not be on the same page.

Hmm...Is the bloodstone you are talking about the mineral or an
alchemical/ internal/ magickal thing?


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Hmmm....I can see how there would be problems if entities/
spirits clash. I wonder if one is not benevolent and one is, what
would happen? Nothing? Or some sort of negative reaction?
theurgy
Bloodstone is a form of Chalcedony that may be empowered
magically.

You are correct in your intuition that one may cultivate a kind of
inner alchemical bloodstone.
This would occur at advanced stages on the Path when one has no
need for external tools.
Edited by theurgy, 21 April 2014 - 03:46 PM.
Posted 21 April 2014 - 03:45 PM
Uroboros
theurgy, on 21 Apr 2014 - 15:45, said:
Bloodstone is a form of Chalcedony that may be empowered
magically.

You are correct in your intuition that one may cultivate a kind of
inner alchemical bloodstone.
This would occur at advanced stages on the Path when one has
no need for external tools.

Gotcha. So it is both. thats pretty cool!

It sounds like a very powerful type of stone, internal or not.

I will get one....
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Captain Mar-Vell
...
Totems are a tool to be used.

They are not essential.
...
Posted 21 April 2014 - 03:53 PM
theurgy
Uroboros, on 21 Apr 2014 - 15:47, said:
Gotcha. So it is both. thats pretty cool!

It sounds like a very powerful type of stone, internal or not.

I will get one....

Purchasing it on a tuesday (Mars) would be ideal.
Also make sure it is raw and unpolished for maximum benefit.

Failing these, just get one and carry it on you and note the results.
Posted 21 April 2014 - 04:01 PM
Uroboros
Captain Mar-Vell, on 21 Apr 2014 - 15:53, said:
...
Totems are a tool to be used.

They are not essential.
Posted 21 April 2014 - 04:03 PM
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...

It is easy to make the tool the thing, forgetting the real thing.....
Uroboros
theurgy, on 21 Apr 2014 - 16:01, said:
Purchasing it on a tuesday (Mars) would be ideal.
Also make sure it is raw and unpolished for maximum benefit.

Failing these, just get one and carry it on you and note the
results.

Oh, thanks, Theurgy!

I will try and get it on a tuesday, raw and unpolished should be
doable.

I shall carry it with me always.....See if it does good things with
me.
Posted 21 April 2014 - 04:03 PM
theurgy
Posted 21 April 2014 - 04:12 PM
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Captain Mar-Vell
...
The only possible "alien" experience I ever had was a "dream" I
had when about five years old.

A silver saucer landed on my lawn.

Some silver men got out, I shouted at them to leave and they did
so.

I had another curious dream where I went deep underground and
met a great lord wearing a golden winged helm.

He spoke to me, but of what I do not recall.

My encounter with higher self archetype/hga etc I do not consider
to have any connection with ghosts or aliens or djinn or demons.

Maybe it my Daemon.

That is an inspiring genius.
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A Genie US.

Rub the bottle.


xxx
...
SonOfTheGods
it's like the Cinnabar
Posted 21 April 2014 - 05:31 PM
multiarms
I've been involved with kunlun for a few years now, and have met
with Max many times, and have done all the practices commonly
discussed on TTB plus a few more (the Egyptian stuff, bagua,
kan&li, various standing forms, etc).

My perspective on the old stories of "haunting" or "possession" is
that there is no danger. As Max will tell you at every class "there is
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only one of us here." (although you may miss this little gem,
because he talks nonstop with long digressions and hyperbolic
anecdotes)

At his most recent seminar, someone asked him point blank about
the danger of "entities," referring implicitly to Sifu Jenny Lamb
who offers to perform entity removal (aka exorcism). He explained
that whatever you see or feel or experience during or as a result of
kunlun practices is all part of your own mind, as is all of reality.
You may see weird things or scary things sometimes, but there is
no danger that a demon or lizard is going to materialize for real
and eat you, just as there is no chance that Max will physically
transform into a golden dragon and fly around the room.

Regarding transmission - recently he rarely mentions that there is
a transmission involved, and has even said at times that
transmission is not necessary. He will not announce "I am going
to give you transmission now," but he does do it at times and if it
happens you will know it.

Regarding ETs - Yeah Max is out there with his stories and
theories of aliens, ancestors, ghosts, etc. Believe or not, who cares?
It's not a religion with scriptures where you have to follow a
doctrine. Anyone who's done it for any amount of time can tell you
that Max is constantly changing. He changes his appearance, gains
and loses weight, relocates his home frequently, and changes the
practices around. He'll tell you to NEVER do something and then
later whispers in your ear to do exactly that thing. Kunlun is a
very creative technique, unique to each individual practitioner...
the whole point of the forms is to move into formlessness,
spontaneity, self-discovery, and self-transformation.
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multiarms, on 23 Apr 2014 - 16:58, said:
I've been involved with kunlun for a few years now, and have
met with Max many times, and have done all the practices
commonly discussed on TTB plus a few more (the Egyptian
stuff, bagua, kan&li, various standing forms, etc).

My perspective on the old stories of "haunting" or "possession"
is that there is no danger. As Max will tell you at every class
"there is only one of us here." (although you may miss this little
gem, because he talks nonstop with long digressions and
hyperbolic anecdotes)

At his most recent seminar, someone asked him point blank
about the danger of "entities," referring implicitly to Sifu Jenny
Lamb who offers to perform entity removal (aka exorcism). He
explained that whatever you see or feel or experience during or
as a result of kunlun practices is all part of your own mind, as is
all of reality. You may see weird things or scary things
sometimes, but there is no danger that a demon or lizard is
going to materialize for real and eat you, just as there is no
chance that Max will physically transform into a golden dragon
and fly around the room.

Regarding transmission - recently he rarely mentions that there
is a transmission involved, and has even said at times that
transmission is not necessary. He will not announce "I am
going to give you transmission now," but he does do it at times
and if it happens you will know it.

Regarding ETs - Yeah Max is out there with his stories and
theories of aliens, ancestors, ghosts, etc. Believe or not, who
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cares? It's not a religion with scriptures where you have to
follow a doctrine. Anyone who's done it for any amount of time
can tell you that Max is constantly changing. He changes his
appearance, gains and loses weight, relocates his home
frequently, and changes the practices around. He'll tell you to
NEVER do something and then later whispers in your ear to do
exactly that thing. Kunlun is a very creative technique, unique
to each individual practitioner... the whole point of the forms is
to move into formlessness, spontaneity, self-discovery, and
self-transformation.

Thank you for sharing your experiences, Multiarms!

Its good to hear from all sides.

In your experience, the entities and such are not a part of the
system, they are expressions of the mind?
I dont consider max's beliefs or ideas about ET's to be strange...Its
strange to think that sentient life does NOT exist outside of earth!

What benefits have you experienced from training in the kunlun
system?
multiarms
Uroboros, on 23 Apr 2014 - 19:06, said:
Posted 23 April 2014 - 08:04 PM
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In your experience, the entities and such are not a part of the
system, they are expressions of the mind?

What benefits have you experienced from training in the kunlun
system?

I've gone thru stages where "nothings happening" and stages with
full blown energy explosions and releases... Occasionally I've
sensed or felt as if there were presences or something around me,
sometimes helpful or friendly, sometimes a bit threatening or
scary. Usually this happens at home in my darkened shrine room
area, not so much outside in nature. When this stuff happens I
just focus on that blissful radiance in the middle field, and try to
laugh at the funny stuff that comes up when you let your mind and
body go. There's no harm in making it into a story like "oh my
ancestors are here to help me" or "whoa watch out, unfriendly
spirits are about today." But ultimately it's all my own stuff
expressing itself, IMHO. This storytelling aspect of the practice is
cool with me, it's part of the mythopoetic tradition of mankind
(especially shamanic traditions).

My benefits from kunlun have included improved health; more
natural diet; feeling happier, calmer and more energetic in
general; and improved sex life

I pretty much healed myself of chronic back pain that I used to
get, which I think was due to stress, repressed emotions, and lack
of mobility in the body.

And most importantly it opened me up spiritually so that I was
able to see my true nature, and enjoy awakening.

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My whole life changed in the worldly sense as well, because I
figured out what was really important, stopped worrying about
stupid shit, and found the courage to quit an unsatisfying job and
move thousands of miles away to start a new and better life. I've
also met a lot of really cool friends, including several other bums
from this forum.
theurgy
I can vouch for the fact that Multiarms is a way-cool dude in
person! Just to be clear, even though I have questioned the
efficacy of kunlun--for certain individuals--I am NOT
anti-Kunlun--far from it. It has improved my life in its own way
and I am not myopic to the fact that some of the most insightful
bums on this forum have been opened up spiritually by kunlun.
The way these individuals conduct themselves on TTB to me
speaks volumes compared to some of the neurotic tether-balls one
finds trolling about!
Posted 24 April 2014 - 01:03 AM
SonOfTheGods
Do you do the other exercise's Max has?

Red Phoenix, his astral travel work, etc?

Or is all this solely attributed to Kunlun- magnetic YinGong like
Jenny lamb shows

Chris Matsuo has some stuff like Red Phoenix

too much in the head area for me though

____________
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You have to run the whole gamut of Qi streams, not just in one
location/3rd eye-- IMO///IME

that's like doing sit ups to get rid of the belly-fat in just that one
area

spot reduction don't work

you have to train the WHOLE BODY, diet etc


multiarms, on 23 Apr 2014 - 20:04, said:
I've gone thru stages where "nothings happening" and stages
with full blown energy explosions and releases... Occasionally
I've sensed or felt as if there were presences or something
around me, sometimes helpful or friendly, sometimes a bit
threatening or scary. Usually this happens at home in my
darkened shrine room area, not so much outside in nature.
When this stuff happens I just focus on that blissful radiance in
the middle field, and try to laugh at the funny stuff that comes
up when you let your mind and body go. There's no harm in
making it into a story like "oh my ancestors are here to help me"
or "whoa watch out, unfriendly spirits are about today." But
ultimately it's all my own stuff expressing itself, IMHO. This
storytelling aspect of the practice is cool with me, it's part of the
mythopoetic tradition of mankind (especially shamanic
traditions).

My benefits from kunlun have included improved health; more
natural diet; feeling happier, calmer and more energetic in
general; and improved sex life
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I pretty much healed myself of chronic back pain that I used to
get, which I think was due to stress, repressed emotions, and
lack of mobility in the body.

And most importantly it opened me up spiritually so that I was
able to see my true nature, and enjoy awakening.

My whole life changed in the worldly sense as well, because I
figured out what was really important, stopped worrying about
stupid shit, and found the courage to quit an unsatisfying job
and move thousands of miles away to start a new and better life.
I've also met a lot of really cool friends, including several other
bums from this forum.
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Aliens Aliens,, ET ET,, interdimensional interdimensional,, transmission transmission,,
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theurgy, on 24 Apr 2014 - 01:03, said:
I can vouch for the fact that Multiarms is a way-cool dude in
person! Just to be clear, even though I have questioned the
efficacy of kunlun--for certain individuals--I am NOT
anti-Kunlun--far from it. It has improved my life in its own way
and I am not myopic to the fact that some of the most insightful
bums on this forum have been opened up spiritually by kunlun.
The way these individuals conduct themselves on TTB to me
speaks volumes compared to some of the neurotic tether-balls
one finds trolling about!

I agree.

I like Max.

I like the fringe, "out-there" stuff

the more, the better

We are all pre-aligned to our paths

1 works for someone, that 1 doesn't work for everyone
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if it isn't broken, don't fix it- is what I say lol
multiarms
I do all the "core" practices of the KUNLUN system:

1. standing - I Jong, 5 elements, and other forms
2. the formless practice (aka "kunlun level 1") which is similar to
Jenny Lamb's thing
3. Red phoenix suite (there are several levels done in order)
4. Maoshan golden flower.

In terms of time, I've spent the most time on standing and kunlun
level 1, since those are the most fundamental. After a few years
now, I can activate the kunlun at will, so it only takes 15-20
minutes before it's time to "close down".

Red phoenix I usually do in a separate session by itself. Not often,
2-3 times a week at most. A little goes a long way. That shit works.

Golden flower - I still haven't cracked the code but I'm playing
around with it.

I also do baguazhang which I learned (in part) from Max. There
are plenty of other practices which I do less frequently, such as the
"traveling hands" (astral projection thing) and Red Sun practice. I
learned some of Max's Egyptian practices as well, but it was not
for me so I never did it on my own outside of the workshop.
Posted 24 April 2014 - 02:10 PM
SonOfTheGods
Posted 24 April 2014 - 06:25 PM
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multiarms, on 24 Apr 2014 - 14:10, said:
I do all the "core" practices of the KUNLUN system:

1. standing - I Jong, 5 elements, and other forms
2. the formless practice (aka "kunlun level 1") which is similar to
Jenny Lamb's thing
3. Red phoenix suite (there are several levels done in order)
4. Maoshan golden flower.

In terms of time, I've spent the most time on standing and
kunlun level 1, since those are the most fundamental. After a few
years now, I can activate the kunlun at will, so it only takes
15-20 minutes before it's time to "close down".

Red phoenix I usually do in a separate session by itself. Not
often, 2-3 times a week at most. A little goes a long way. That
shit works.

Golden flower - I still haven't cracked the code but I'm playing
around with it.

I also do baguazhang which I learned (in part) from Max. There
are plenty of other practices which I do less frequently, such as
the "traveling hands" (astral projection thing) and Red Sun
practice. I learned some of Max's Egyptian practices as well, but
it was not for me so I never did it on my own outside of the
workshop.
when holding your breathe, the middle Tan Tien feels as though it
breathes on it's on accord.

awesome stuff
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SonOfTheGods, on 24 Apr 2014 - 18:25, said:
when holding your breathe, the middle Tan Tien feels as though
it breathes on it's on accord.

awesome stuff

Huh....

I never noticed what I was feeling with clarity until I read this.

It does feel like the middle TanTien/ Solar Plexus is breathing
when doing a full retention!

It is also easier to stay relaxed and comfy in the retention with
awareness of the breath pulse.
Posted 24 April 2014 - 11:17 PM
Captain Mar-Vell
...
Quote
In your experience, the entities and such are not a part of the
system, they are expressions of the mind?

I would certainly insist that any "entities" that I may have
"encountered" were entirely constructs of my own mind.

Just dreams, a figment of the mind's eye.

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But such symbols make good fodder for poetry.

xxx
...
SonOfTheGods
Uroboros, on 24 Apr 2014 - 23:17, said:
Huh....

I never noticed what I was feeling with clarity until I read this.

It does feel like the middle TanTien/ Solar Plexus is breathing
when doing a full retention!

It is also easier to stay relaxed and comfy in the retention with
awareness of the breath pulse.

Max's Red Sun is useful for this
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Started by SonOfTheGods, Apr 23 2014 10:31 AM
Quantum LDT Quantum LDT,,
SonOfTheGods
Sometimes, I am just asking for Trouble

The catalyst is coming! etc etc etc
Posted 23 April 2014 - 10:31 AM
Uroboros
Woo!

The beginning is nigh, the end is close....

The catalyst is coming!!
Posted 23 April 2014 - 10:33 AM
SonOfTheGods
Uroboros, on 23 Apr 2014 - 10:33, said:
Woo!

The beginning is nigh, the end is close....

The catalyst is coming!!
all hell, shall break forth
Posted 23 April 2014 - 10:40 AM
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it is prophecied

in- our book of daobums
tendou
Yeah!
Posted 23 April 2014 - 10:42 AM
Uroboros
SonOfTheGods, on 23 Apr 2014 - 10:40, said:
all hell, shall break forth

it is prophecied

in- our book of daobums

The book of the daobums...Older then old. Written on paper made
from a 100,100 year old branch of the World Tree....

Written in the blood of Golden Dragons reverently sacrificed in a
holy ritual of their Ancient GoD.

The book of the daobums.

It is written.

It shall pass.
Posted 23 April 2014 - 11:43 AM
theurgy
Posted 23 April 2014 - 11:51 AM
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joeblast
let me know when this thread gets deleted and the real one gets
created
Posted 23 April 2014 - 11:53 AM
SonOfTheGods
joeblast, on 23 Apr 2014 - 11:53, said:
let me know when this thread gets deleted and the real one gets
created

lol ok so it begins:

Immortal means he/she transcended and is no longer subjected to
Forced/Involuntary Induced Incarnations to the 3D world(s)

Which means ALL current physical incarnations have ceased.

This is to say that all physical time lines have negated their time
locks.
Posted 23 April 2014 - 06:28 PM
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The individual is no longer bound to subserviently incarnate -
against their conscious Will.

Time is not linear.
Goes forward back and side to side.

We have multiple simutaneous lifetimes all happening now.

For an (lowest level) IMMORTAL, this must mean that all levels
of evolutionary cultivation has been finalized- in order to
Transcend ALL time lines.

If an individual starts to approach their Immortal zone, i.e.,
"getting close" that means all their other bodies on all other time
lines must have either completed them, or are also getting close to
completion.

The Tan Tiens exist outside of time.

It is quantumly feasible to start to connect all non-Immortal Tan
Tiens in one Hyper-Stream

A Tesseract construct interacts the same way 2 independant Tan
Tiens can co-exist side by side outside of time and space.

Example:

I exist on 5 timelines

I start to communicate with each of myself(s) via dream yoga.

I am married on all 5 layers- yet my wife and I always look
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different in dreams. (This is currently happening to me)

This is due to visiting myself in either present past or near
future(s)

Once I can see or feel, and have my resting sentient point of
reference in the 3D world- I formulate this yearning (Catalyst) to
reach out.

My other existing selves will/should respond accordingly as long
as we do not breach quantum laws

In essence we are sending Quantum Transference to each other- to
aid and consummate what the rest of ourself(s) are lacking.

We start to line up, and Self-Shaktipat each zone.
SonOfTheGods
One step further- as far as the Immortal Zone goes:

If one of our selves has already reached I.Z.- then the other "ones"
can seek guidance via Alpha level- from that discarnate
transcended self- Holy Guardian Angel

i.e., "One of us already made it"

SonOfTheGods, on 23 Apr 2014 - 18:28, said:
lol ok so it begins:

Immortal means he/she transcended and is no longer subjected
to Forced/Involuntary Induced Incarnations to the 3D world(s)
Posted 23 April 2014 - 06:37 PM
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Which means ALL current physical incarnations have ceased.

This is to say that all physical time lines have negated their time
locks.

The individual is no longer bound to subserviently incarnate -
against their conscious Will.

Time is not linear.
Goes forward back and side to side.

We have multiple simutaneous lifetimes all happening now.

For an (lowest level) IMMORTAL, this must mean that all
levels of evolutionary cultivation has been finalized- in order to
Transcend ALL time lines.

If an individual starts to approach their Immortal zone, i.e.,
"getting close" that means all their other bodies on all other time
lines must have either completed them, or are also getting close
to completion.

The Tan Tiens exist outside of time.

It is quantumly feasible to start to connect all non-Immortal Tan
Tiens in one Hyper-Stream

A Tesseract construct interacts the same way 2 independant
Tan Tiens can co-exist side by side outside of time and space.

Example:

Quantum LDT - SonOfTheGods - The Tao Bums http://thetaobums.com/topic/34611-quantum-ldt/
6 of 14 4/30/2014 11:34 AM
I exist on 5 timelines

I start to communicate with each of myself(s) via dream yoga.

I am married on all 5 layers- yet my wife and I always look
different in dreams. (This is currently happening to me)

This is due to visiting myself in either present past or near
future(s)

Once I can see or feel, and have my resting sentient point of
reference in the 3D world- I formulate this yearning (Catalyst)
to reach out.

My other existing selves will/should respond accordingly as
long as we do not breach quantum laws

In essence we are sending Quantum Transference to each other-
to aid and consummate what the rest of ourself(s) are lacking.

We start to line up, and Self-Shaktipat each zone.
Uroboros
SonOfTheGods, on 23 Apr 2014 - 18:28, said:
lol ok so it begins:

Immortal means he/she transcended and is no longer subjected
to Forced/Involuntary Induced Incarnations to the 3D world(s)

Which means ALL current physical incarnations have ceased.

Posted 23 April 2014 - 06:47 PM
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This is to say that all physical time lines have negated their time
locks.

The individual is no longer bound to subserviently incarnate -
against their conscious Will.

Time is not linear.
Goes forward back and side to side.

We have multiple simutaneous lifetimes all happening now.

For an (lowest level) IMMORTAL, this must mean that all
levels of evolutionary cultivation has been finalized- in order to
Transcend ALL time lines.

If an individual starts to approach their Immortal zone, i.e.,
"getting close" that means all their other bodies on all other time
lines must have either completed them, or are also getting close
to completion.

The Tan Tiens exist outside of time.

It is quantumly feasible to start to connect all non-Immortal Tan
Tiens in one Hyper-Stream

A Tesseract construct interacts the same way 2 independant
Tan Tiens can co-exist side by side outside of time and space.

Example:

I exist on 5 timelines

I start to communicate with each of myself(s) via dream yoga.
Quantum LDT - SonOfTheGods - The Tao Bums http://thetaobums.com/topic/34611-quantum-ldt/
8 of 14 4/30/2014 11:34 AM

I am married on all 5 layers- yet my wife and I always look
different in dreams. (This is currently happening to me)

This is due to visiting myself in either present past or near
future(s)

Once I can see or feel, and have my resting sentient point of
reference in the 3D world- I formulate this yearning (Catalyst)
to reach out.

My other existing selves will/should respond accordingly as
long as we do not breach quantum laws

In essence we are sending Quantum Transference to each other-
to aid and consummate what the rest of ourself(s) are lacking.

We start to line up, and Self-Shaktipat each zone.

The catalyst is a yearning for the desired outcome?

The rest I follow well enough.

Connect with other selves, start to transfer what each one is
lacking/ knows to progress faster, merge timelines

Hmm....That sounds allot more complicated then it seems.
tendou
If my other slef is nearing immortality in any point in their
life(meaniing that they don;t need to exist in the same time one
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could be in the future, another in the past and so on),

What you are saying is that I and I and other I can go help each
other.

But it need that them nearing immortality?

And how to formulate the yearning or catalyst to reach out?
tendou
SonOfTheGods, on 23 Apr 2014 - 18:37, said:
One step further- as far as the Immortal Zone goes:

If one of our selves has already reached I.Z.- then the other
"ones" can seek guidance via Alpha level- from that discarnate
transcended self- Holy Guardian Angel

i.e., "One of us already made it"

How do the I who is typing right now know, that it is also I (who
already made it that contacted me) and not other being?
Posted 23 April 2014 - 07:08 PM
Uroboros
tendou, on 23 Apr 2014 - 19:06, said:
If my other slef is nearing immortality in any point in their
life(meaniing that they don;t need to exist in the same time one
could be in the future, another in the past and so on),

What you are saying is that I and I and other I can go help each
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other.

But it need that them nearing immortality?

And how to formulate the yearning or catalyst to reach out?

Good questions, Tendou!

Do our other selves need to be cultivating?

If one of our selves has already attained high levels, can we
absorb/ integrate that experience/ results?
Andrei
Yes, all lower selves needs to cultivate, but only one is successful.
That one is still you but in another universe, another timeline,
another dimension. Anyway after death you will integrate with the
higher self and all your life experiences will be absorbed by your
higher self. If you create the link with the higher self before death,
this is even better, because the higher self learns in the same time
as you, he benefits of your life experiences as you live them, and
by that all your other selves are benefiting instantly, even if your
experiences are mistakes and failures, this does not matter,
because the other selves learn from your mistakes. You may
receive intuitions or visions that are coming from the higher self
that are lessons learned or experiences lived by the other life
variants. The higher self is already immortal, but you have to die
to reunite with shim. If you do that during life on earth it is called
"celestial immortal".
Posted 23 April 2014 - 10:24 PM
theurgy
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Once I can see or feel, and have my resting sentient point of
reference in the 3D world- I formulate this yearning (Catalyst)
to reach out.

My other existing selves will/should respond accordingly as
long as we do not breach quantum laws

In essence we are sending Quantum Transference to each other-
to aid and consummate what the rest of ourself(s) are lacking.

We start to line up, and Self-Shaktipat each zone.


This is VERY similar to the approach of E.J. Gold. What's
interesting is I have been pondering these very concepts a lot lately
and didn't expect to have this discussion on Taobums.

In short, he teaches a form of out of body travel in which one
merges with one's "Parallel Universe Personas" and integrates
them with one's 3D self.

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His work provides much food for thought..even if it is highly
peculiar
Edited by theurgy, 24 April 2014 - 12:32 AM.
Uroboros
Andrei, on 23 Apr 2014 - 22:24, said:
Yes, all lower selves needs to cultivate, but only one is
successful. That one is still you but in another universe, another
timeline, another dimension. Anyway after death you will
integrate with the higher self and all your life experiences will be
absorbed by your higher self. If you create the link with the
higher self before death, this is even better, because the higher
self learns in the same time as you, he benefits of your life
experiences as you live them, and by that all your other selves
are benefiting instantly, even if your experiences are mistakes
and failures, this does not matter, because the other selves learn
from your mistakes. You may receive intuitions or visions that
are coming from the higher self that are lessons learned or
experiences lived by the other life variants. The higher self is
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already immortal, but you have to die to reunite with shim. If
you do that during life on earth it is called "celestial immortal".

Couldnt we bypass our other I's and go straight to our higher self/
immortal spirit?

By doing so, would we be able to infuse our earthly bodies and the
various other non-immortal essences with our immortal essence,
thereby becoming fully immortal?
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Started by SonOfTheGods, Apr 23 2014 10:31 AM
Quantum LDT Quantum LDT,,
Andrei
Yes you could, this the whole point of "enlightenment in a single
lifetime". If you could do that you are the "Chosen One" out of
many variants, you are the best, the only one who could achieved
this goal.
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The
higher self resides in the 5th dimension
Andrei
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Edited by Andrei, 23 April 2014 - 11:19 PM.
SonOfTheGods
Uroboros, on 23 Apr 2014 - 18:47, said:
The catalyst is a yearning for the desired outcome?

The rest I follow well enough.

Connect with other selves, start to transfer what each one is
lacking/ knows to progress faster, merge timelines

Hmm....That sounds allot more complicated then it seems.


tendou, on 23 Apr 2014 - 19:06, said:
If my other slef is nearing immortality in any point in their
life(meaniing that they don;t need to exist in the same time one
could be in the future, another in the past and so on),

What you are saying is that I and I and other I can go help each
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other.

But it need that them nearing immortality?

And how to formulate the yearning or catalyst to reach out?

It is not "difficult" per se- but the catalyst is multi-layered.

We will discuss the multi-tiered catalyst- down the road.

The *Will*, is one such catalyst

Knowing that "hey this makes sense" is one thing.

Incorporating it into daily cultivation routines is the other.

For instance- some people think when you cultivate you should be
almost unconscious, LOL!- which couldn't be further from
the truth.

You want your consciousness at the fore-front to be
occupied/active, while you tap the (primary)/(secondary)
subconsciousness

There is also a 3rd layer of consciousness dubbed the crypto-
conscious
(shhhh lol don't tell that to the traditionalists)

Contacting each discarnate self is a dichotomy/duality in the
cultivation process that is an dual independant/simutaneous
thought stream at work like a cellular mental/mind MCO


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MIND-BLOCKS: There is SO MUCH B/S/ OUT THERE, it is
almost impossible to incorporate anything unorthodox.



Uroboros, on 23 Apr 2014 - 19:08, said:
Good questions, Tendou!

Do our other selves need to be cultivating?

If one of our selves has already attained high levels, can we
absorb/ integrate that experience/ results?


theurgy, on 23 Apr 2014 - 22:37, said:
This is VERY similar to the approach of E.J. Gold. What's
interesting is I have been pondering these very concepts a lot
lately and didn't expect to have this discussion on Taobums.

In short, he teaches a form of out of body travel in which one
merges with one's "Parallel Universe Personas" and integrates
them with one's 3D self.

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His work provides much food for thought..even if it is highly
peculiar
SonOfTheGods
Uroboros, on 23 Apr 2014 - 22:37, said:
Couldnt we bypass our other I's and go straight to our higher
self/ immortal spirit?

By doing so, would we be able to infuse our earthly bodies and
the various other non-immortal essences with our immortal
essence, thereby becoming fully immortal?

To be an Immortal means no more physical time line
penetration against your Will

If your other selves are not cultivating, then some of them will
need to reincarante again to continue the evolution to Immortality

so ALL OF YOU must be catching up and getting close- not just
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one or two

depnding on how many of you, there actually are

it could be an infiite amount- but they:
ALL START TO FUSE AT THE CORE

CENTRAL CORE = WHERE YOUR PRIMARY CONSCIOUSNESS
IS SENTIENT

Thus, YOU are the center of your own universe, etc
theurgy
SonOfTheGods, on 24 Apr 2014 - 11:07, said:
To be an Immortal means no more physical time line
penetration against your Will

If your other selves are not cultivating, then some of them will
need to reincarante again to continue the evolution to
Immortality

so ALL OF YOU must be catching up and getting close- not just
one or two

depnding on how many of you, there actually are

it could be an infiite amount- but they:
ALL START TO FUSE AT THE CORE

CENTRAL CORE = WHERE YOUR PRIMARY
CONSCIOUSNESS IS SENTIENT
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Thus, YOU are the center of your own universe, etc
Something I have been contemplating:
when we send out prayers/blessings for all Beings in the Universe
We are de facto including all those "parallel universe" versions of
ourselves as well.
Through Quantum entanglement we are reaching those selves
that aren't even on the Path and subtly guiding them to be more
virtuous
and bringing them across the "nadir" that divides an incarnations
moving more towards the physical and those
that move towards the spiritual.
In essence, by directed Will we are increasing the probabilities
that our other selves will be brought across the threshold.

Now, are you proposing SOTG a method to simultaneously bind
all multiverse selves
to the "Higest Self" so that all are at the same stage of progress?

This is a fascinating thread.
BaguaKicksAss
I like to travel around and visit the others .
Posted 24 April 2014 - 11:43 AM
SonOfTheGods
theurgy, on 24 Apr 2014 - 11:39, said:
Something I have been contemplating:
when we send out prayers/blessings for all Beings in the
Universe
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We are de facto including all those "parallel universe" versions
of ourselves as well.
Through Quantum entanglement we are reaching those selves
that aren't even on the Path and subtly guiding them to be more
virtuous
and bringing them across the "nadir" that divides an
incarnations moving more towards the physical and those
that move towards the spiritual.
In essence, by directed Will we are increasing the probabilities
that our other selves will be brought across the threshold.

Now, are you proposing SOTG a method to simultaneously
bind all multiverse selves
to the "Higest Self" so that all are at the same stage of
progress?

This is a fascinating thread.

I just have to be careful with this one because it, can/might
/mostcertainlywill- cause some problems

emotional and haunting/precognitions/flashback/bleedthroughs
sort of "stuff"..
theurgy
Have you experienced this yourself?
I suppose there would be some kind of reactions in one's
consciousness
Due to the influence of non-local "gravity" for lack of a better term.
Such work is difficult to conceptualize
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theurgy, on 24 Apr 2014 - 19:06, said:
Have you experienced this yourself?
I suppose there would be some kind of reactions in one's
consciousness
Due to the influence of non-local "gravity" for lack of a better
term.
Such work is difficult to conceptualize
Translocation,. morphic resonance of a foamy-diamond
egregore with many facets of Self.

Stray thoughts and figuring which one of Me, said it

it's like Lovecraft on DMT
Posted 24 April 2014 - 07:40 PM
theurgy
Oh man, that's funny but so very not funny at the same time.
Have you been able to ascertain what practices bring you most
"out of phase"
and how to mitigate the negative effects?
Posted 24 April 2014 - 08:40 PM
SonOfTheGods
theurgy, on 24 Apr 2014 - 20:40, said:
Oh man, that's funny but so very not funny at the same time.
Have you been able to ascertain what practices bring you most
"out of phase"
and how to mitigate the negative effects?
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It's like fusing multiple personalities

one (hopefully) is in charge

need a referee lol

sometimes you think it is under control

certain emotions can exacerbate it


that's why Israel Regardie recommended everyone take a psych
class before magick

Crowley must have seen me coming
SonOfTheGods
theurgy, on 24 Apr 2014 - 20:40, said:
and how to mitigate the negative effects?

this is why I do not recommend doing
drugs/hallucinagens

because if the door gets kicked in- there's going to be a
problem

even with Kundalini

better to not even start

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thus my hesitation in teaching this
theurgy
Absolutely. Drugs put one on the Royal Road to Hell.
Posted 24 April 2014 - 09:06 PM
theurgy
SonOfTheGods, on 24 Apr 2014 - 20:53, said:
that's why Israel Regardie recommended everyone take a psych
class before magick

Crowley must have seen me coming

Regardie was a wise man. I often recommend people start with his
"One Year Manual"
It's a solid foundation to build on. Also recommended are Dr
Hyatt's "Undoing" techniques.
Essential for aspiring magicians IMO.
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Quantum Transference
Started by SonOfTheGods, Apr 19 2014 12:36 AM
Quantum Transference Quantum Transference,,
SonOfTheGods
Max Christenson of Kunlun said he didn't rip off Kunlun from
Jenny Lamb but a female in a cave was visited by a spirit and gave
her the potent instruction
Wang Liping speaks of interaction with the spirit world-
Opening the Dragon Gate tells the story of 3 Daoist Wizards
There was a lot of Opium going around in the ancient days (still
is)- and hallucinations/Visions, like DMT- have MUCH to share.
Shamans do this all the time
You can go to sleep and dream - and awaken to find the answer to
your questions
same as outer body experience
which really isn't "out of body" (maybe for a later discussion)
So, what do Immortals do all day and all night long?
Considering there are 5 types of Immortals- there's a lot.
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Ghost Immortal, Human Immortal , Earth Immortal, Spirit
Immortal, and Heaven/Celestial Immortal:
1) Ghost Immortals are the lowest of the fiveliberated via yin,
unclear in spirit, no name in ghost and heavenly realms,
although out of reincarnation, cannot return to heaven. They
belong to nowhere, only cease to reborn.
2) Human Immortals have not realize the great Dao, they
obtained one method, and in one method obtained one skill.
They practice whole heartedly, obtain pure spirit and chi,
solidify form, immune from human world disease.
3) Earth Immortals follow law of sky and earths rising and
falling, obtain the number for the manifestation of son and
moon. Within the body, observe the changes in annual,
monthly, and daily cycles. Understand the dragon and tiger,
regulate Kan and Li, differentiate the purity of the water source,
use different fire in different times, observe the two opposites,
three cores, four phenomenon, five elements, set the six
energies, collect the seven treasures, sequence the bagua,
circulate the energy, refine the form and stay in the world,
achieve long life.
4) Spirit Immortals are Earth Immortal who no longer interest
to live in the world. They continue the practice, refine gold and
jade, transform form into energy, five energies go back to the
source, three Yan gather at the top, when practise complete
form is forgotten. Yin ends and Yan is pure, they discover body
beyond body, depart from form and rise into immortal,
transcend ordinary and become extraordinary, decline the
secular world and go back to heaven.
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5) Heaven Immortals are Spirit Immortals transcend
attachment to stay in heaven. They spread the Dao in human
world, continue the deed until the divine work is done, then
receive the heavenly summon to go back to the thirty-six
heavens, back to eighty-one Yan heavens, to the three purest
heavens.


..and humans discover/re-learn enchanted techniques.
Edited by SonOfTheGods, 19 April 2014 - 11:28 AM.
Captain Mar-Vell
...
This sounds like one to watch.

Is it similar to;

QUANTUM ENTANGLEMENT?

TANGLE FOOT BAG be Alchemycal Weapon.

xxx
...
Edited by Captain Mar-Vell, 19 April 2014 - 10:09 AM.
Posted 19 April 2014 - 05:15 AM
SonOfTheGods
Captain Mar-Vell, on 19 Apr 2014 - 05:15, said:
...
Posted 19 April 2014 - 09:53 AM
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This sounds like one to watch.

Is it similar to;

QUANTUM ENTANGLEMENT?

TANGLE FOOT BAG be Alchemycal weapon.

xxx
...
In the 6 Thunders thread
SonOfTheGods
Of course, some will immediately laugh, mock, troll.

That's usually the way those who "know" perform/act out/act-up-
to try to discredit- truth from being revealed.

Then there are "know-it-alls" who *think*, ONLY they know
"know-it-all", but really, live in a small box yelling:
"NO! My! Way! Is! The! Truth!"

Posted 19 April 2014 - 11:38 AM
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Fact is:

Internal Alchemy is Occultism 101

Philosopher's Stone- all of it.

Spirit Interaction is Part of NeiGong- like it, or not

& "A Part" is: Hologram 101


SonOfTheGods, on 19 Apr 2014 - 00:36, said:
Max Christenson of Kunlun said he didn't rip off Kunlun from
Jenny Lamb but a female in a cave was visited by a spirit and
gave her the potent instruction
Wang Liping speaks of interaction with the spirit world-
Opening the Dragon Gate tells the story of 3 Daoist Wizards
There was a lot of Opium going around in the ancient days (still
is)- and hallucinations/Visions, like DMT- have MUCH to share.
Shamans do this all the time
You can go to sleep and dream - and awaken to find the answer
to your questions
same as outer body experience
which really isn't "out of body" (maybe for a later discussion)
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So, what do Immortals do all day and all night long?
Considering there are 5 types of Immortals- there's a lot.


..and humans discover/re-learn enchanted techniques.
SonOfTheGods
What does the "perfected" Tan Tien "look like" to You?

Is an Immortal- One, Total, Tan Tien?


The Epitome of the realised, actualised, Tan Tien?


The Personification of the developed Tan Tien?

Not "FULLY" developed- NO SUCH THING

Eternity means ALWAYS EVOLVING.


So there is NO FINAL STAGE

You can NOT LIMIT: Evolution

There is No Finalized, "godhood"

Posted 19 April 2014 - 11:46 AM
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It is INFINITE.
SonOfTheGods
SonOfTheGods, on 19 Apr 2014 - 11:46, said:
Quantum Transference
+
SonOfTheGods, on 19 Apr 2014 - 11:46, said:
What does the "perfected" Tan Tien "look like" to You?
=

?
Posted 19 April 2014 - 11:51 AM
Uroboros
SonOfTheGods, on 19 Apr 2014 - 11:46, said:
What does the "perfected" Tan Tien "look like" to You?

Is an Immortal- One, Total, Tan Tien?


The Epitome of the realised, actualised, Tan Tien?


The Personification of the developed Tan Tien?

Not "FULLY" developed- NO SUCH THING

Eternity means ALWAYS EVOLVING.
Posted 19 April 2014 - 02:51 PM
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So there is NO FINAL STAGE

You can NOT LIMIT: Evolution

There is No Finalized, "godhood"

It is INFINITE.

I do enjoy this idea....that life is always evolving and so we can as
well...

Until it all ends, if it does.

It just opens up so many possibilities for life. Why limit what we
are/ can be?
Uroboros
SonOfTheGods, on 19 Apr 2014 - 11:51, said:
+
=

?

To me, it would become the whole body and beyond. The whole
body would be a single, unified TanTien.
Posted 19 April 2014 - 02:51 PM
SonOfTheGods
Posted 19 April 2014 - 03:11 PM
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Uroboros, on 19 Apr 2014 - 14:51, said:
I do enjoy this idea....that life is always evolving and so we can
as well...

Until it all ends, if it does.

It just opens up so many possibilities for life. Why limit what
we are/ can be?

Indeed

One of the BIGGEST Limiters is RELIGION

Enlightenment has no room for external worship and
degrading oneself to be FILTHY RAGS and in need of a
saviour or redeemer


Quote
Isaiah 64:6
New International Version (NIV)
6
All of us have become like one who is unclean,
and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags;
we all shrivel up like a leaf,
and like the wind our sins sweep us away.


GOD IS INSIDE

NOT OUTSIDE!
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SonOfTheGods
Maybe, think this way:

Imagine, if you can- hypothetically:

A perfected 72nd level JohnChang style LDT

Once you can "visualise" this- you have just made an etheric
connection with such a vessel

a conduit of LUX has connected you to it.

"Nexus-Praxis" -accomplished!

so, now what?

Quantum Transference

Of course I am being Vague, because:
Now that I am aware this Forum will have an Expiration date: I
must keep the catalyst (how to engage/put into affect)
"quarantined"-

Eventually you and I can discuss this off the forum

SonOfTheGods, on 19 Apr 2014 - 00:36, said:
Max Christenson of Kunlun said he didn't rip off Kunlun from
Jenny Lamb but a female in a cave was visited by a spirit and
gave her the potent instruction
Wang Liping speaks of interaction with the spirit world-
Posted 19 April 2014 - 03:20 PM
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10 of 16 4/30/2014 11:17 AM
Opening the Dragon Gate tells the story of 3 Daoist Wizards
There was a lot of Opium going around in the ancient days (still
is)- and hallucinations/Visions, like DMT- have MUCH to share.
Shamans do this all the time
You can go to sleep and dream - and awaken to find the answer
to your questions
same as outer body experience
which really isn't "out of body" (maybe for a later discussion)
So, what do Immortals do all day and all night long?
Considering there are 5 types of Immortals- there's a lot.


..and humans discover/re-learn enchanted techniques.


SonOfTheGods, on 19 Apr 2014 - 11:46, said:
What does the "perfected" Tan Tien "look like" to You?

Is an Immortal- One, Total, Tan Tien?


The Epitome of the realised, actualised, Tan Tien?

Quantum Transference - SonOfTheGods - The Tao Bums http://thetaobums.com/topic/34558-quantum-transference/
11 of 16 4/30/2014 11:17 AM

The Personification of the developed Tan Tien?

Not "FULLY" developed- NO SUCH THING

Eternity means ALWAYS EVOLVING.


So there is NO FINAL STAGE

You can NOT LIMIT: Evolution

There is No Finalized, "godhood"

It is INFINITE.


Uroboros, on 19 Apr 2014 - 14:51, said:
To me, it would become the whole body and beyond. The whole
body would be a single, unified TanTien.
Edited by SonOfTheGods, 19 April 2014 - 03:21 PM.
theurgy
I'm reminded of the many passages in the Corpus Hermeticum
where Hermes is instructed to imagine himself as containing All
things and encompaassing all space. "To know God you must
become equal to God"
Question for consideration and discussion: why does the physical
body appear to age at an ordinary rate in beings who have attained
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the body of light/rainbow body? Haven't been able to wrap my
head around that one...
Uroboros
theurgy, on 19 Apr 2014 - 16:58, said:
I'm reminded of the many passages in the Corpus Hermeticum
where Hermes is instructed to imagine himself as containing All
things and encompaassing all space. "To know God you must
become equal to God"
Question for consideration and discussion: why does the
physical body appear to age at an ordinary rate in beings who
have attained the body of light/rainbow body? Haven't been able
to wrap my head around that one...

Ohh, that is an excellent question! I have pondered that for quite a
few years, now...Since I have not experienced deep enough
states/stages, I can only guess....

Maybe it is that they have not completely, truly, transformed their
being?
Posted 19 April 2014 - 05:04 PM
SonOfTheGods
theurgy, on 19 Apr 2014 - 16:58, said:
I'm reminded of the many passages in the Corpus Hermeticum
where Hermes is instructed to imagine himself as containing All
things and encompaassing all space. "To know God you must
become equal to God"
Question for consideration and discussion: why does the
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physical body appear to age at an ordinary rate in beings who
have attained the body of light/rainbow body? Haven't been able
to wrap my head around that one...
Well, for starters, maybe they didn't mail in their $999.99
Rainbow Rebate Offer?

or, ummm, maybe they left out one of the Primary colours from
their Photoshop rainbow body?


Most likely, though, as I suspect the 3 of us, here at the moment
all know, such attributes are most likely metaphors

Diamond body- Diamonds are junk coal- that after much
(long-time) surrounding pressure- they transmutate into the
Messiah of Coal, i.e, Diamonds

Light Body- Rainbow Body- samething- rainbow is refracted
"bent"light/LUX
SonOfTheGods
theurgy, on 19 Apr 2014 - 16:58, said:
I'm reminded of the many passages in the Corpus Hermeticum
where Hermes is instructed to imagine himself as containing All
things and encompaassing all space. "To know God you must
become equal to God"


That is also a good one, in itself.
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If we turn ourselves, inside out- we find the universe

Thus god is inside
Uroboros
SonOfTheGods, on 19 Apr 2014 - 17:15, said:
Well, for starters, maybe they didn't mail in their $999.99
Rainbow Rebate Offer?

or, ummm, maybe they left out one of the Primary colours from
their Photoshop rainbow body?


Most likely, though, as I suspect the 3 of us, here at the moment
all know, such attributes are most likely metaphors

Diamond body- Diamonds are junk coal- that after much
(long-time) surrounding pressure- they transmutate into the
Messiah of Coal, i.e, Diamonds

Light Body- Rainbow Body- samething- rainbow is refracted
"bent"light/LUX

Hmm....Similar process to bone breathing/ compression qigong.

If our body is already a light body....then how do you even attain
it?!

Immortality..tricky business, yet probably quite simple.
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Uroboros, on 19 Apr 2014 - 17:19, said:
Hmm....Similar process to bone breathing/ compression
qigong.

If our body is already a light body....then how do you even attain
it?!

Immortality..tricky business, yet probably quite simple.
It is all theoretical

dynamic, not static

we are forever moving, not locked, nor forced- into one base
structure

here ya go- - next time, one of us meets an Immortal, we will
just ask him/her/it

they seem to be quite common, these days
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Quantum Transference Quantum Transference,,
Uroboros
SonOfTheGods, on 19 Apr 2014 - 17:23, said:
It is all theoretical

dynamic, not static

we are forever moving, not locked, nor forced- into one base
structure

here ya go- - next time, one of us meets an Immortal, we
will just ask him/her/it

they seem to be quite common, these days

Hmm...possibly attempting to upgrade, so to speak, our light
body, then infuse that into the slower aspects of our being...

Yi guides the Qi...Guides being the key word. The Qi is like water,
our awareness creates a channel/ pooling effect...gentle.
Interesting.

I would love to meet an immortal. Pretty rare, though. I need to
make sure I have some good tea and food, though...Would be
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horrid to not be able to be right proper welcoming!
SonOfTheGods
Thus, it shifts to the gears of Quantum Entanglement.

Start off from the TOP & work your way down

Think transformers, step up in our case

Step down from an Immortals reference point.

Discussing all things Immortal takes us beyond that Quantum veil

if Quantum String theory places at least 11 active dimensions,
crossing the LDT threshold is not such a mystery.

How the catalyst makes it happen is the variable, not discussing if
this is feasibly possible.
SonOfTheGods, on 19 Apr 2014 - 15:20, said:
Maybe, think this way:

Imagine, if you can- hypothetically:

A perfected 72nd level JohnChang style LDT

Once you can "visualise" this- you have just made an etheric
connection with such a vessel

a conduit of LUX has connected you to it.

"Nexus-Praxis" -accomplished!
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so, now what?

Quantum Transference

Of course I am being Vague, because:
Now that I am aware this Forum will have an Expiration date: I
must keep the catalyst (how to engage/put into affect)
"quarantined"-

Eventually you and I can discuss this off the forum





Uroboros
SonOfTheGods, on 19 Apr 2014 - 19:17, said:
Thus, it shifts to the gears of Quantum Entanglement.

Start off from the TOP & work your way down

Think transformers, step up in our case

Step down from an Immortals reference point.

Discussing all things Immortal takes us beyond that Quantum
veil

if Quantum String theory places at least 11 active dimensions,
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crossing the LDT threshold is not such a mystery.

How the catalyst makes it happen is the variable, not discussing
if this is feasibly possible.

Hmm...What is the catalyst and how do you even start to utilize
it?!
SonOfTheGods
Uroboros, on 19 Apr 2014 - 19:22, said:
Hmm...What is the catalyst and how do you even start to utilize
it?!
That's what I will share with you in the Email you sent me, when I
reply
Posted 19 April 2014 - 08:30 PM
tendou
Where do HIgher Self fit in?
Posted 19 April 2014 - 10:51 PM
SonOfTheGods
tendou, on 19 Apr 2014 - 22:51, said:
Where do HIgher Self fit in?
time is not linear

it goes forward backward and swings side to side

we are multifacted beings occupying many nonlinear dimensions
and hyper-spatial fabrics simutaneously
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so higher self(s) is a single drop of discarnate consciousness from
a varying point of view
theurgy
Not being all that well versed in Daoism, I wonder if there is a
Daoist version of something like say The Abramelin Operation
which is designed to contact one's "Higher Self" of Holy Guardian
Angel?

As you well know, magicians are instructed to make this their first
priority on the Path before all else.

Seems to me on TTB, the concept of connecting to one's Higher
self is not talked about nearly enough.
How can one proceed very far without grasping this important
concept?

Or perhaps with rigorous cultivation one ends up making the
necessary contact anyway.
What say you on this?
Posted 21 April 2014 - 02:15 PM
SonOfTheGods
theurgy, on 21 Apr 2014 - 14:15, said:
Not being all that well versed in Daoism, I wonder if there is a
Daoist version of something like say The Abramelin Operation
which is designed to contact one's "Higher Self" of Holy
Guardian Angel?

As you well know, magicians are instructed to make this their
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first priority on the Path before all else.

Seems to me on TTB, the concept of connecting to one's Higher
self is not talked about nearly enough.
How can one proceed very far without grasping this important
concept?

Or perhaps with rigorous cultivation one ends up making the
necessary contact anyway.
What say you on this?

In western magick we have low and high magick

low being money health love etc

high being for enlightenment

Holy Guardian Angel is basically not so much the Higher Self, but
more so the yellow brick road, itself.

Daoism is a religion- the way, ziran, tianran, etc

I'm not much into Daoism, just because it is another
religion.

a side from that- to me, Cultivation is the path of
godhood

My holy guardian angel told me so
Edited by SonOfTheGods, 21 April 2014 - 08:44 PM.
Captain Mar-Vell
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...
Quote
Holy Guardian Angel is basically not so much the Higher Self,
but more so the yellow brick road, itself.

Nice one man.

My head's full of stuffin'.
...
tendou
What is yellow brick road?

And, where does the One Above it All, or usually called GOD
reside in all this?
Posted 21 April 2014 - 09:03 PM
SonOfTheGods
tendou, on 21 Apr 2014 - 21:03, said:
What is yellow brick road?

And, where does the One Above it All, or usually called GOD
reside in all this?

yellow brick road = play on words from the movie "Wizard of Oz"

The universal consciousness permeates all fabrics of time, space,
quantum veils, and small bunny rabbits

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I call it Primordial Awareness

Impersonal, aloof, distracted

Allowing us to learn/earn our own lessons, without holding our
hand

G.enerate
O.rganize
D.estroy

IMO/IME
theurgy
SonOfTheGods, on 21 Apr 2014 - 17:42, said:
Holy Guardian Angel is basically not so much the Higher Self,
but more so the yellow brick road, itself.

Daoism is a religion- the way, ziran, tianran, etc

I'm not much into Daoism, just because it is another
religion.

a side from that- to me, Cultivation is the path of
godhood

My holy guardian angel told me so

This is an interesting concept--are you familiar with Dzogchen?
If so, are you describing the Primordial State?
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If you would, without revealing too much, did you use the
Abramelin method
to attain knowledge and conversation or another method?

It seems to me the path of devotion to a deity (Bhakti yoga) and
then
merging with it and constantly identifying oneself with it is a way
of providing
the Body of Light with a container to wrap itself in. Eventually one
will transcend
even this but in my view, the deity functions as "training wheels."
This is a point that gets lost in hermetic circles but there are a few
teachers
expounding this very point.

So let us say that we are approached by a complete novice who is
not sensitive to
energy at all. What practices in your opinion would be best to
recommend them
in the beginning towards the goal of Godhood?
tendou
SonOfTheGods, on 21 Apr 2014 - 21:12, said:
yellow brick road = play on words from the movie "Wizard of
Oz"

The universal consciousness permeates all fabrics of time,
space, quantum veils, and small bunny rabbits


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I call it Primordial Awareness

Impersonal, aloof, distracted

Allowing us to learn/earn our own lessons, without holding our
hand

G.enerate
O.rganize
D.estroy

IMO/IME


Then,
Primordial Awareness=Yellow Brick Road=GOD

Then I think it is Nearly the same thing.
tendou
Quantum Transference and Transmission. Seems like similar but
different thing.

Only Quantum Transference is initiated by onself while
transmission is initiated by others.

If that is so, then theoretically we can do Quantum Transference
from Primordial Awareness itself. Getting Transmission even
from GOD/The Source/TAO itself. The purest source of Energy
untainted by any being?

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Or Am I not making any sense? Haha.
Edited by tendou, 21 April 2014 - 10:32 PM.
Captain Mar-Vell
...
Quote
Getting Transmission even from GOD/The Source/TAO itself.
The purest source of Energy untainted by any being?

Is that not the direct Zen Transmission?

Colours From Space (Golden & Silver)
(http://halcyonhierophant.blogspot.co.uk/2013/02/34-colour-
from-space.html)


...
Edited by Captain Mar-Vell, 22 April 2014 - 03:15 AM.
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theurgy, on 21 Apr 2014 - 14:15, said:
As you well know, magicians are instructed to make this their
first priority on the Path before all else.
came before there was even such thing as a priority list (from
another time in life...there have been many...that no matter how
bad "everything" was, there was this brilliant shining silver lining
that made any size shit-bog an acceptable traverse...in retrospect,
because shit-bogs are never fun while traversing...)
Edited by joeblast, 22 April 2014 - 07:54 AM.
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SonOfTheGods
theurgy, on 21 Apr 2014 - 22:12, said:
This is an interesting concept--are you familiar with Dzogchen?
If so, are you describing the Primordial State?

I can easily align with the Bon, and their concept of the
transcendence.
The thing I am against though is the doctrine they have, which is
limiting to me.
Once a group says "like this"- it is no longer, "like that"


theurgy, on 21 Apr 2014 - 22:12, said:
If you would, without revealing too much, did you use the
Abramelin method
to attain knowledge and conversation or another method?

It seems to me the path of devotion to a deity (Bhakti yoga) and
then
merging with it and constantly identifying oneself with it is a
way of providing
the Body of Light with a container to wrap itself in. Eventually
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one will transcend
even this but in my view, the deity functions as "training
wheels."
This is a point that gets lost in hermetic circles but there are a
few teachers
expounding this very point.

So let us say that we are approached by a complete novice who
is not sensitive to
energy at all. What practices in your opinion would be best to
recommend them
in the beginning towards the goal of Godhood?

I did the Abramelin trip.
6 Months, IMO -is total BS

Took years of isolation, without having a "9 year old boy"

There is so much allegory in this, it makes a seeker's head swim
with fragments of cerebral jello

Abramelin, took me to:

general Grimoire magick- Solomonic
Howlings
ATR
Vodoun
Shinto
QaBaLa

Then:

Khemetic
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Canaanite
Babylonian
Sumerian
Enochian
Necronomicon

Not in a linear path- many U-Turns,. over laps, DEAD ENDS-
(deliberate side tracks built in EVERY SYSTEM) etc

The Egyptian Book of the Dead- is NOT for funeral.
It is a Body Of Light mapping- where to go

Like Tibetian Book of the Dead- it is a travel guide, as Leary
confirmed with his LSD/Tibetian trip

In ALL my Magicks- I would RESIST & FORBID ever assuming
Worship, rather., I usurped all deity(Die-ty) authority-I took the
GODFORM

and became god and jurisdiction over heavenly abodes and realms

The first rule of GodHood is:

BECOME A GOD

Real Magick = I AM GOD HERE!
SonOfTheGods
theurgy, on 21 Apr 2014 - 22:12, said:
So let us say that we are approached by a complete novice who
is not sensitive to
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energy at all. What practices in your opinion would be best to
recommend them
in the beginning towards the goal of Godhood?

Clearest easist path to godhood:

Cultivate

Quantum LDT (I was going to make a thread on that)

Trample on all doctrine of man made religions

Explore realms and take them!

Chi-Naut
SonOfTheGods
tendou, on 21 Apr 2014 - 22:31, said:
Quantum Transference and Transmission. Seems like similar
but different thing.

Only Quantum Transference is initiated by onself while
transmission is initiated by others.

If that is so, then theoretically we can do Quantum Transference
from Primordial Awareness itself. Getting Transmission even
from GOD/The Source/TAO itself. The purest source of Energy
untainted by any being?

Or Am I not making any sense? Haha.
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YES! THAT! PERFECTED!
EDIT: Posted Today, 11:11 AM
Edited by SonOfTheGods, 22 April 2014 - 11:15 AM.
Uroboros
SonOfTheGods, on 22 Apr 2014 - 11:10, said:
Clearest easist path to godhood:

Cultivate

Quantum LDT (I was going to make a thread on that)

Trample on all doctrine of man made religions

Explore realms and take them!

Chi-Naut


SonOfTheGods, on 22 Apr 2014 - 11:11, said:

YES! THAT! PERFECTED!
EDIT: Posted Today, 11:11 AM

What would it take to do this?
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The catalyst?
theurgy
SonOfTheGods, on 22 Apr 2014 - 11:07, said:
I did the Abramelin trip.
6 Months, IMO -is total BS

Took years of isolation, without having a "9 year old
boy"

There is so much allegory in this, it makes a seeker's head swim
with fragments of cerebral jello

Abramelin, took me to:

general Grimoire magick- Solomonic
Howlings
ATR
Vodoun
Shinto
QaBaLa

Then:

Khemetic
Canaanite
Babylonian
Sumerian
Enochian
Necronomicon
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Not in a linear path- many U-Turns,. over laps, DEAD ENDS-
(deliberate side tracks built in EVERY SYSTEM) etc

The Egyptian Book of the Dead- is NOT for funeral.
It is a Body Of Light mapping- where to go

Like Tibetian Book of the Dead- it is a travel guide, as Leary
confirmed with his LSD/Tibetian trip

In ALL my Magicks- I would RESIST & FORBID ever assuming
Worship, rather., I usurped all deity(Die-ty) authority-I took the
GODFORM

and became god and jurisdiction over heavenly abodes and
realms

The first rule of GodHood is:

BECOME A GOD

Real Magick = I AM GOD HERE!

GREAT post! The newest translation of the Abramelin (George
Dehn) has a 2 year operation. I've seen some study guides that
stretch it out over 5 or more years so I agree 6 months is BS. Yet
so many magicians proclaim to have attained it in 6 months or
LESS using the incorrectly translated Mathers edition. As the
alchemist Frater Albertus used to say"the longer, the slower, the
better."

Given your vast experience it's good to hear your perspective.
Have you thought about synthesizing your experiences into your
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own unique system, i.e. writing books, etc.? The magical
community needs more materials from genuine teachers imo.
theurgy
SonOfTheGods, on 22 Apr 2014 - 11:10, said:
Clearest easist path to godhood:

Cultivate

Quantum LDT (I was going to make a thread on that)

I think everybody reading this thread would be eager to read that.
I humbly cast my vote in favour of a Quantum LDT thread.
Posted 22 April 2014 - 12:55 PM
BaguaKicksAss
theurgy, on 22 Apr 2014 - 12:52, said:
GREAT post! The newest translation of the Abramelin (George
Dehn) has a 2 year operation. I've seen some study guides that
stretch it out over 5 or more years so I agree 6 months is BS. Yet
so many magicians proclaim to have attained it in 6 months or
LESS using the incorrectly translated Mathers edition. As the
alchemist Frater Albertus used to say"the longer, the slower, the
better."

Given your vast experience it's good to hear your perspective.
Have you thought about synthesizing your experiences into
your own unique system, i.e. writing books, etc.? The magical
community needs more materials from genuine teachers imo.
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It can be attained in 6 months just fine, if one devotes their entire
life to it during that time. It is just more difficult because you get
2 years of work crammed into 6 months, 1/4 the time. I would
personally not go with the 5 years; to much chance of going
astray.

PS an awesome yahoo group about the Abramelin operation, even
with a few folks on there who have done the working
https://groups.yahoo.../abramelin/info
(https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/abramelin/info)
BaguaKicksAss
SonOfTheGods, on 22 Apr 2014 - 11:07, said:
I can easily align with the Bon, and their concept of the
transcendence.
The thing I am against though is the doctrine they have, which
is limiting to me.
Once a group says "like this"- it is no longer, "like that"



I did the Abramelin trip.
6 Months, IMO -is total BS

Took years of isolation, without having a "9 year old
boy"

There is so much allegory in this, it makes a seeker's head swim
with fragments of cerebral jello

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Abramelin, took me to:

general Grimoire magick- Solomonic
Howlings
ATR
Vodoun
Shinto
QaBaLa

Then:

Khemetic
Canaanite
Babylonian
Sumerian
Enochian
Necronomicon

Not in a linear path- many U-Turns,. over laps, DEAD ENDS-
(deliberate side tracks built in EVERY SYSTEM) etc

The Egyptian Book of the Dead- is NOT for funeral.
It is a Body Of Light mapping- where to go

Like Tibetian Book of the Dead- it is a travel guide, as Leary
confirmed with his LSD/Tibetian trip

In ALL my Magicks- I would RESIST & FORBID ever assuming
Worship, rather., I usurped all deity(Die-ty) authority-I took the
GODFORM

and became god and jurisdiction over heavenly abodes and
realms
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The first rule of GodHood is:

BECOME A GOD

Real Magick = I AM GOD HERE!

Knowing someone who performed the 6 month version and had
some amazing results from it, then 5 years later did the 18 month
version to contrast and compare (and as a good excuse to up the
amount of spiritual work per day, I would say 6 moths is definitely
viable, as long as one focuses on it solely.
BaguaKicksAss
SonOfTheGods, on 21 Apr 2014 - 17:42, said:
In western magick we have low and high magick

low being money health love etc

high being for enlightenment

Holy Guardian Angel is basically not so much the Higher Self,
but more so the yellow brick road, itself.

Daoism is a religion- the way, ziran, tianran, etc

I'm not much into Daoism, just because it is another
religion.

a side from that- to me, Cultivation is the path of
godhood
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My holy guardian angel told me so

I love the "low" magic aspects of the German version .

I think the Daoist version, more cuts out the middleman! Though
the qigong and neigong aspects have it covered imo, more as a side
affect than aiming for it.
joeblast
curious of the usage of 'quantum' here. imho all qi and awareness
are quantum mechanically based phenomenon, ergo with regard
to the mind's interactions with physical things and qi things, a
question of order and how the mind perceives it arises in the
context of combining the amplitudes.


if we have two amplitudes a=3 and b=4, just keeping it simple to
display the concept,
-if the events happen in sequence, multiply the amplitudes:
3x4=12
When practicing, events not in coherence will have the lesser
outcome...this is the stage of working on the timing...

-if the events are in coherence but can be distinguished, square the
multiples then add: 9+16=25
In refining, one finds coherence yet events are at least partly still
of the mind and thus distinguishable...this is the stage of building
habit-energy, one becomes familiar with having timed everything,
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now comes execution and familiarity...

-if the events cannot be distinguished, add before absolute
squaring - |3+4=7|, ^2=49
Practice until the foreground fades away, background becomes the
foreground - and certain events within will start to become
indistinguishable, producing the most efficacious result....this is
the stage of the habit-energy actually having inertia to it and the
body-mind has gotten out of the way so to speak, the practitioner
has spent enough time embedding protocols onto the various parts
of the brain (and reinforces them regularly)...

So there is quantum mathematical equation-basis to relate stages
of practice to the effect it has on how the energy combines and
manifests for the practitioner.
SonOfTheGods
theurgy, on 22 Apr 2014 - 12:52, said:
GREAT post! The newest translation of the Abramelin (George
Dehn) has a 2 year operation. I've seen some study guides that
stretch it out over 5 or more years so I agree 6 months is BS. Yet
so many magicians proclaim to have attained it in 6 months or
LESS using the incorrectly translated Mathers edition. As the
alchemist Frater Albertus used to say"the longer, the slower, the
better."

Given your vast experience it's good to hear your perspective.
Have you thought about synthesizing your experiences into
your own unique system, i.e. writing books, etc.? The magical
community needs more materials from genuine teachers imo.
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Thanks man

Maybe we can pack all the best info from these threads and put it
in a PDF

all our stuff in one huge volume
Edited by SonOfTheGods, 22 April 2014 - 07:13 PM.
theurgy
This is a great idea. I think there'd be a lot of interest in this, imo.
Posted 22 April 2014 - 11:10 PM
Uroboros
SonOfTheGods, on 22 Apr 2014 - 18:12, said:
Thanks man

Maybe we can pack all the best info from these threads and put
it in a PDF

all our stuff in one huge volume

I am definitely interested in reading something like that.

Always great to hear from current practitioners and learn from
them.
Posted 22 April 2014 - 11:51 PM
Uroboros
theurgy, on 22 Apr 2014 - 12:55, said:
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I think everybody reading this thread would be eager to read
that.
I humbly cast my vote in favour of a Quantum LDT thread.

I concur! Let us cast our votes and bring this into fruition!
tendou
Uroboros, on 22 Apr 2014 - 23:54, said:
I concur! Let us cast our votes and bring this into fruition!
My vote on this too!
Posted 23 April 2014 - 12:02 AM
Captain Mar-Vell
...
Quote
All our stuff in one huge volume.

That's right!

xxx
...
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Started by SonOfTheGods, Apr 19 2014 12:36 AM
Quantum Transference Quantum Transference,,
SonOfTheGods
yeahhhhhhh so

I always have highweirdness going on with our temple lol

I will post a new thread on this

NeiGong Meets Magick

Maybe called it McGong

would like an order of tantien with that?



lol

lol

So I made Nunchucks wands

I knew I should not have taught my wife how to use Nunchucks

heh
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SonOfTheGods
joeblast, on 22 Apr 2014 - 15:18, said:
Practice until the foreground fades away, background becomes
the foreground - and certain events within will start to become
indistinguishable, producing the most efficacious result....

maybe take past and future events and sway them on parallel
concurrent timelines

we do have dual amygdala


Posted 23 April 2014 - 10:37 AM
SonOfTheGods
theurgy, on 22 Apr 2014 - 12:52, said:
Given your vast experience it's good to hear your perspective.
Have you thought about synthesizing your experiences into
your own unique system, i.e. writing books, etc.? The magical
community needs more materials from genuine teachers imo.

yesterday I did a rite- leftover from Ishtar Sun Day

I was telling Uroboros in Email I fried my damn computer drive
again

magnetics EMI meh
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so I'm back logged on here

-but been answering briefly



But, I don't write books etc because I want to stay anonymous

That's why when I made that video and uploaded it, I kept my face
covered

I'm not looking for fame or fortune

I'm just a simple guy, learning, and teaching what I know

If I made some videos, doing "stuff"

I'd have people wanting me to teach them- I can almost
guarantee that

I already have this problem in my training camp


Just isn't my style

I rather lurk in the shadows


maybe one of you guys will notice an upspring, suddenly in your
training/cultivation


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like a blast of energy moving you up passed a stagnant plateau..
theurgy
SonOfTheGods, on 23 Apr 2014 - 11:00, said:
Just isn't my style

I rather lurk in the shadows


maybe one of you guys will notice an upspring, suddenly in
your training/cultivation


like a blast of energy moving you up passed a stagnant plateau..

I can appreciate that. I know of one Teacher who used to be in the
public eye and then one day
he announced "I'm not writing/teaching anymore" and hasn't been
seen or heard from since.

In the Hermetic tradition, teachers would remain anonymous by
attributing their teachings to
Thoth or Hermes Trismegistus. I rather like this concept. It keeps
things pure.
Posted 23 April 2014 - 11:18 AM
BaguaKicksAss
Many of the well known authors have ghost writers anyways .
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theurgy
BaguaKicksAss, on 23 Apr 2014 - 11:47, said:
Many of the well known authors have ghost writers anyways .

True story. More common than many would like to believe
Posted 23 April 2014 - 12:00 PM
joeblast
that's because writing a book is a seriously big challenge, if you
want to be comprehensive. if I wanted to gear stuff towards being
*so direct and to the point*....well, I would have been done by
now, but the audience probably would have shrunk by 90%.
instead I listened to all kinds of people's advice to make it as
accessible as possible, and the quicksand consumed the project.
Posted 23 April 2014 - 01:12 PM
tendou
SOTG, care to tell us what is the sudden uprising?
Right now I just stop any cultivation. Just resting and will start
again soon.

SonOfTheGods, on 23 Apr 2014 - 11:00, said:
maybe one of you guys will notice an upspring, suddenly in
your training/cultivation


like a blast of energy moving you up passed a stagnant plateau..
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Uroboros
tendou, on 23 Apr 2014 - 18:53, said:
SOTG, care to tell us what is the sudden uprising?
Right now I just stop any cultivation. Just resting and will start
again soon.

For the past week I have been making great progress, able to train
with more consistency and length then I have been able to in
awhile!

Other then new things being shown to me in my body and subtle
changes.
Posted 23 April 2014 - 06:56 PM
joeblast
Uroboros, on 23 Apr 2014 - 18:56, said:
For the past week I have been making great progress, able to
train with more consistency and length then I have been able to
in awhile!

Other then new things being shown to me in my body and subtle
changes.
Every so often I return to rote-ness. Using force of intention to
MAKE the freakin structures move as they are supposed to, doesnt
matter how much force of intention you need, doesnt matter how
contrived it feels. After 10-15 minutes of that, I no longer need to
use much intention, body feels big as a mountain, hands feel like
catchers mitts, each finger feels like its the size of an entire beef
tenderloin, the light of awareness shining at the center....well hey,
last night the whole centerline just about, from lower dt to upper
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dt, shiny happy taiji pole Sometimes that's necessary to train
the structures. I did a TON of it when getting to those minute+
breaths. Relax, yadda yadda...whatever, after having done
analysis of mechanics, I know how the parts should move, I know
the feeling of the parts moving correctly, even though sometimes
its all too easy to get used to the sinus-air-buffer that makes for a
lazy diaphragm. Put the entire onus of breath movement on the
diaphragm and support it with the other structures, anything that
doesnt need to support it forget that signal exists.
Edited by joeblast, 24 April 2014 - 07:29 AM.
SonOfTheGods
tendou, on 23 Apr 2014 - 18:53, said:
SOTG, care to tell us what is the sudden uprising?
Tendou, here is your answer:
Uroboros, on 23 Apr 2014 - 18:56, said:
For the past week I have been making great progress, able to
train with more consistency and length then I have been able to
in awhile!
Posted 24 April 2014 - 10:36 AM
Uroboros
SonOfTheGods, on 24 Apr 2014 - 10:36, said:
Tendou, here is your answer:

GET OUT OF MY HEAD!!!

AHHHHH!!!
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Eh, helpful help is helpful. It aint malevolent, thats for sure!
SonOfTheGods
Uroboros, on 24 Apr 2014 - 11:21, said:
GET OUT OF MY HEAD!!!

AHHHHH!!!

Eh, helpful help is helpful. It aint malevolent, thats for sure!

Posted 24 April 2014 - 06:16 PM
Uroboros
SonOfTheGods, on 24 Apr 2014 - 18:16, said:


Exactly.

My feelings exactly.
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Yin Field - What, Why & How:
Started by SonOfTheGods, Apr 17 2014 06:39 PM
Yin Yin,, Yin out of the body Yin out of the body,,
SonOfTheGods
Uroboros, on 25 Apr 2014 - 18:38, said:
If our legs are our root, what comes up that is so damn vital, if
its not Yin Field?
If the Yin Field is moved into action by Yang Field, would the
Yin Field be coming from up and down?
What is the Yang Field that instigates action within the Yin?
Yin is always with Yang
The body doesn't compartmentalize Yin only
Yang/sky mixed with yin
Yin/ground mixed with some yang
If there's Yang around, it has Yin chasing it
If you have a magnet- it has positive & negative poles
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It can't be a magnet and have only 2 positive poles
or 2 negative only poles
it wouldn't be a magnet- unless it is a "magnetic monopole" LOL
A magnetic monopole is a hypothetical elementary particle in
particle physics that is an isolated magnet with only one
magnetic pole (a north pole without a south pole or vice-versa).
It is impossible to make magnetic monopoles from a bar magnet.
If a bar magnet is cut in half, it is not the case that one half has
the north pole and the other half has the south pole. Instead, each
piece has its own north and south poles. A magnetic monopole
cannot be created from normal matter such as atoms and
electrons, but would instead be a new elementary particle.
Edited by SonOfTheGods, 25 April 2014 - 06:50 PM.
Uroboros
SonOfTheGods, on 17 Apr 2014 - 18:39, said:
Yin out of the body

(coming soon)

I would like to know more about Yin within the body, not just
outside.

If you could absorb the external, to strengthen the internal....Oh,
who am I kiddin? The internal is the external! hahaha
Posted 18 April 2014 - 12:09 AM
SonOfTheGods
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Dichotomies of Yin

2 opposing schools of thought:


1- when you practice you must be outside, perineum
touching ground

no artificial, inorganic insulation in between

you may use an indoor grounding mat/wire

this was discussed previously on another thread

2- the other school of thought is to insulate one self from
leaking dispersing Qi, involuntarily

Use a rubber mat, etc- to keep from/off the absorbing Earth
SonOfTheGods
SonOfTheGods, on 24 Apr 2014 - 20:46, said:
Dichotomies of Yin

2 opposing schools of thought:


1- when you practice you must be outside, perineum
touching ground

no artificial, inorganic insulation in between

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you may use an indoor grounding mat/wire

this was d