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14

Q.

Okay, good morning.

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A.

Good morning.

16

Q.

Thanks for joining us today. I guess I'll

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start off by asking you to state your name for the

18

record.

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A.

Matthew Todd Johnson.

20

Q.

Okay. Thank you. It's nice to -- nice for you

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to come here today.

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I guess I'll just start off with a few

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questions about getting back to the -- to the

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bankruptcy of 1933. There seems to be a huge issue

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of people sending you -- you were mentioning

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earlier you're getting every other day these bonded

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promissory notes and all sorts of different

3

paperwork, was that correct?

4

A.

I do receive a lot of information such as what

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we've discussed already this morning. However you

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mentioned something about a bankruptcy in 1933,

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which I'm not aware of.

8

Q.

I'm sure you read the constitution before,

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right?

10

A.

In a civics class I'm sure I did, yes.

11

Q.

Okay. The only reason why I bring that up is I

12

was going to mention one little point. Have you

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ever heard of Article 1, Section 10?

14

A.

I'm not familiar with that off the top of my

15

head.

16

Q.

Okay. It basically just states that all debts

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supposed to be paid back in gold and silver.

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Article 1, Section 10 of the constitution states

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that all debt is supposed to be paid back in gold

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and silver, and no states should submit bills of

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credit. And if you look at the -- I might as well

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ask you, it's called the Federal Reserve note I

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believe it's called, which represents a debt. I

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guess what I want to ask you -- the reason why I'm

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bringing this up is I want to ask you what is your

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main job at the OCC? I believe it's called the

2

comptroller of the currency. I thought it was

3

located in Texas. I didn't know they had a branch

4

in Washington, D.C. But can you just please give a

5

brief description of what you do there.

6

A.

As I stated earlier this morning, I work for an

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agency called the Office of the Comptroller of the

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Currency or OCC. It is headquartered out of

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Washington, D.C. And we are part of the U.S.

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Treasury Department. The OCC has offices all over

11

the country. In fact I believe we even have a

12

satellite office here in Buffalo.

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My job responsibilities at the OCC as a

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commissioned national bank examiner, it gives me

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the authority to examine and supervise all national

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banks here in the United States, as well as foreign

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branches that have -- foreign banks that have

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branches here in the United States. I'm also

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responsible for assisting law enforcement, whether

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it's federal or state and local, on investigations

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as it relates to fraud, or alleged fraud, and also

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help serve as an expert witness in certain court

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proceedings as it relates to whatever is being

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charged.

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Q.

I didn't know we had a satellite office in

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Buffalo.

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A.

I believe we do.

3

Q.

Okay. I've never knew that. That's nice to

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know. We'll go ahead and just basically ask you in

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your office when you're sitting there your main

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thing is basically just to work with law

7

enforcement, so you work with this every day, these

8

kind of issues and cases that come through your

9

hands every day --

10

A.

Yes.

11

Q.

-- is that correct? So basically that's your

12

job and duty. So, would it be true that -- that --

13

would it be true that you might -- you might not

14

know really a lot of what goes on with the Treasury

15

Department with the offset account we briefly

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talked about? Do you have a lot of knowledge on

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that or just a little bit?

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A.

I'm very familiar with and have served as an

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expert witness in anywhere between 15 and 20 times

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in federal court as it relates to the instruments

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that are presented here in this court proceeding

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and as it relates to the fictitious financial

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nature of these type of instruments.

24

Q.

Have you -- have you learned about the reason

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why these people are sending these promissory

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notes? You're saying what in the world is this all

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about. Have you heard about the belief system and

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the bankruptcy of 1933? Have you even maybe late

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at night, have a beer, sitting on the computer

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saying what is this all about? Have you just sat

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there and --

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THE COURT: Let's stop it there. Let's

8

find out if you over a beer thought about what's

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this all about. Let's start with that one.

10

THE WITNESS: I have certainly

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contemplated as to why individuals will send in

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these fictitious financial instruments in order to

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attempt to pay off debt obligations that they owe.

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The redemption theory, which is what this is about,

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and the redemption theorists have a belief that the

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U.S. went bankrupt in 1933 when we went off the

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gold standard, when in fact that is not true. The

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U.S. Government did not go bankrupt, and the U.S.

19

Government did not take the birth certificates of

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individuals to act at collateral for the U.S.

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Government debt.

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BY MR. BUCZEK:

23

Q.

A lot of people believe, but that's why --

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isn't it true a lot of people believe what you just

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said, what you're stating is not true?

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A.

There are numerous people who believe that the

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redemption theory has merit.

3

Q.

And isn't it also true that there's hundreds of

4

seminars going on throughout the United States of

5

America on that theory I should say?

6

A.

Yes. There are individuals who conduct

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seminars whereby people attend in order to gain

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information as relates to this alleged theory.

9

Q.

And the publications, have you read any of the

10

publications? Have you tried to review any of

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their publications that they present at the

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seminars?

13

A.

I have reviewed numerous publications that are

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presented at these seminars.

15

Q.

Okay. Thank you. In your thought process what

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was your conclusion to their belief system?

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THE COURT: Do you understand that

18

question?

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THE WITNESS: No.

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BY MR. BUCZEK:

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Q.

I'll withdraw it, Judge. A lot of people

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allege that we have some type of secret treasury

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account. There's this secret thing going on. I

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know -- well, actually I should ask you if it's

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secret, we can't talk about it in the public, can

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we?

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A.

I'm not sure exactly what your question is

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implying.

4

Q.

I just -- I'm just trying to make a point,

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because the theory is that if it's secret, you can

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never bring secret information into the public.

7

There is a public and private side, and we are

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right now in the public, so that's why I was

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referring back to the land of Oz. We're not in

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Kansas anymore, are we?

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Have you reviewed any of the information on the

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Yahoo! redemption groups on Yahoo!, Yahoo! groups?

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There is a lot of different groups out there called

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Yahoo! redemption. Have you ever had an

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opportunity to review it and look at the legalities

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and merits of what they're talking about?

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A.

I'm not familiar with the terminology Yahoo

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groups on redemption.

19

Q.

Okay. I was just asking. Getting back to the

20

discount window, you were briefly talking about the

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discount window, and do you know the locations of

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where these discount windows are located at?

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A.

I believe that every Federal Reserve

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district -- there are 12 of them across the

25

country -- that operate a discount window.

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Q.

And what happens, does somebody just walk right

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into the store and they do their paperwork at that

3

point and hand over their negotiable instruments?

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Or can you tell me a little bit what goes on there.

5

A.

Well, individuals or companies, whether they

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walk in or they do it through other means, will

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utilize the discount window in order to purchase

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and/or sell debt instruments of the U.S.

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Government.

10

Q.

Okay. So, we're selling debt instruments,

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correct? Are any of these instruments backed by

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any type of silver or gold?

13

A.

The debt instruments are backed by the full

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faith and credit of the U.S. Government.

15

Q.

And who backs that?

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A.

I don't understand that question.

17

Q.

The full faith and credit you just mentioned --

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by the way it's in the constitution. I am very

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aware of it. Who would back the full faith and

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credit?

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A.

There's not a backing of the full faith and

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credit. It is -- the full faith and credit is

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exactly what it means. It means the debt

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instruments are backed by the ability of the U.S.

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Government to pay its debt obligations.

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Q.

Is it possibly true that the full faith and

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credit is backed by the American people and the

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American people are really the banks?

4

A.

No.

5

Q.

Okay. So getting back to the question, who is

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backing the full faith and credit?

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A.

The U.S. Government.

8

Q.

Okay. How is the U.S. Government backing it?

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I'm trying to find ends to this rabbit hole.

10

A.

You're going to have to be clear on your

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question. I believe I answered what you -- what

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you asked.

13

Q.

I'm just trying to find out who's backing the

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full faith and credit. Is it the United States --

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you said the United States Government, okay. All

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right. We have the United States Government.

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Who's backing the United States Government? And

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that's why I was asking you isn't it true that the

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American people back the government, the American

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people are actually the government?

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A.

Well, it is true that the American people are

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the government. It's the operations of the

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government and how the government establishes

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monetary policy, not only domestically, but how we

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relate to other countries around the world and how

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we have the capability of servicing and paying back

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our debt obligations as a U.S. Government. That is

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the full faith and credit of the U.S. Government.

4

Q.

So, it might be true, okay, it might be true

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that what I'm saying to you possibly could be true

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that the American people are backing the full faith

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and credit and the government, is that true?

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Possibly, maybe?

9

A.

I don't believe so, not in the context of your

10

question, no.

11

Q.

So we really don't know who's backing anything

12

at this point. I'm trying to find out, because I

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know back in the olden days, which I wasn't around,

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our currency was backed with gold and silver, and

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I'm familiar with the John F. Kennedy back in 1963

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how he tried to go back to the silver standard.

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I'm trying to find out who is backing all of this.

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I'm not getting anywhere.

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THE COURT: What's the question,

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Mr. Buczek?

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MR. BUCZEK: Judge, I'm trying to make a

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point here.

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THE COURT: No point. You have to ask a

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question.

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MR. BUCZEK: Is I believe --

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THE COURT: No. No. You can't -- not

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what you believe.

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BY MR. BUCZEK:

4

Q.

The question is, once again, the American

5

people back all the transactions in this country.

6

The American people -- my question is the American

7

people -- do you believe the American people are

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actually really the banks, their hard work and

9

labor and their blood?

10

A.

No. The American people are not banks.

11

Q.

Okay. I can go much deeper down the rabbit

12

hole, but I think that's at deep as I'll will go.

13

I would like to ask a question real briefly but the

14

T-bill, and you were talking about -- I think

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another way of rephrasing it is there is an M1, M2,

16

and M3, am I correct on that?

17

A.

If you're referring to money supply --

18

Q.

Right.

19

A.

-- that's what the M1, M2 and M3 talk about,

20

the different aspects of the money supply as it

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relates to the U.S.

22

Q.

Could you please explain to me what M1 is?

23

A.

I'd have to have the information in front of

24

me. That's many economics classes ago.

25

Q.

Okay. Have you ever heard of a publication

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printed by the Federal Reserve called Modern Money

2

Mechanics and Two Faces of Debt? It's a

3

publication printed by the Federal Reserve, and you

4

can probably get it right off of Google if you

5

Google search it. I believe it's page 4, 5 or 6.

6

Have you ever heard of it?

7

A.

I don't believe so.

8

Q.

Okay. I was going to ask you a question, but I

9

can't. So, have you ever heard of the -- of the --

10

I had written down here. You were mentioning that

11

the Department of Treasury, correct, that's what

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you control the currency, overlook the Department

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of Treasury, the system.

14

A.

No. Let's make sure we get it right. The

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Office of the Comptroller of the Currency is part

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of the U.S. Treasury Department.

17

Q.

Okay.

18

A.

So the Treasury Department is -- if I can refer

19

to it as more like the mothership and the OCC is a

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pod ship.

21

Q.

Okay. And what is the difference between the

22

Department of Treasury and the treasury of the

23

United States?

24

A.

I don't believe there's any difference. I

25

think that the Department of the United States

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Treasury is sometimes referred to as the treasury

2

of the United States.

3

Q.

So there's really no difference between the

4

Department of Treasury and the U.S. Department of

5

Treasury, or the treasury of the United States, are

6

they all the same entity? Or are they different

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entities with different names?

8

A.

I would have to look at it in the context in

9

which that phraseology is used. But, generally

10

speaking, I have certainly heard the Department of

11

Treasury referred to as the treasury of the United

12

States.

13

Q.

Okay. Is it true possibly, maybe that one is

14

for the public and the other one is for the

15

private, which we can't talk about in the public

16

because we're in the public, is it possibly true?

17

A.

No.

18

Q.

Are you familiar with an attorney that worked

19

for the Federal Reserve, his name is Walker F.

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Todd, attorney-at-law. He now is retired, lives in

21

Ohio, and he worked for the Federal Reserve, an

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attorney. Have you ever heard of Walker F. Todd?

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A.

No.

24

Q.

Okay. Are you familiar with trustees, trusts,

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beneficiaries, are you familiar with those terms?

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A.

Yes. As it relates to asset management, yes.

2

Q.

Okay. In your own mind, can you please tell me

3

what the beneficiary's responsibility -- or what

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the beneficiary -- what's your definition of a

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beneficiary?

6

A.

A beneficiary is somebody who benefits from a

7

transaction or an event.

8

Q.

And a trust?

9

A.

A trust would be -- like a trust account would

10

be an account that would be set up in order to

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provide possibly future benefit to somebody in the

12

future or at that given time.

13

Q.

And lastly would be trustee.

14

A.

A trustee would be somebody who is overseeing

15

the trust.

16

Q.

Isn't it possibly true that we are all

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corporations, we are all trusts?

18

A.

I have no idea what that means.

19

Q.

Okay. I have a couple more questions. I know

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we briefly talked about the discount window. I was

21

trying to get somewhere with that. But can we just

22

briefly touch on the treasury discount window. Is

23

there a difference between the discount window and

24

over here the treasury discount window?

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A.

As I stated earlier this morning, there -- to

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my knowledge there is no such thing as a treasury

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discount window. The discount window is called the

3

Federal Reserve discount window.

4

Q.

And you have firsthand knowledge of that?

5

A.

Yes.

6

Q.

What do they do with these bonded promissory

7

notes or promissory notes? Do they maybe sell them

8

on Wall Street as a stable backed security and --

9

I'll ask that question first.

10

A.

The bonded promissory note that's referred to

11

as an exhibit that we already talked about this

12

morning, and also the ones that I have reviewed

13

over several years, are fictitious financial

14

instruments. They have no value at all.

15

Q.

Okay. If you punch in the numbers to this

16

particular promissory note on the screen that we

17

saw earlier, do you think it might be betrayed on

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Wall Street as we're speaking right now?

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A.

As I stated earlier, these are fictitious.

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They don't have any value.

21

Q.

I know, because we're in the public. So the

22

answer is no they wouldn't be. That note, it's not

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being traded on Wall Street right now, right?

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That's all, say yes or no.

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A.

Well, the answer is these are fictitious, so

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they don't exist.

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Q.

So it's no, it's not being traded on Wall

3

Street right now.

4

A.

Right, you can't trade fictitious items on Wall

5

Street.

6

Q.

What makes you think it's fictitious? What

7

makes you think that? Because I need some

8

clarification.

9

A.

They're fictitious because they don't exist.

10

Bonded -- these bonded promissory notes -- and

11

they're also referred to as a lot of different

12

things as well. The same item at times has been

13

referred to as a site draft or an international

14

bill of exchange, and there are various numerous

15

things that these are titled, and as a result, this

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is just a -- has been morphed from something that

17

existed previously. And I might add too that as a

18

result of these types of instruments that are

19

coming to my agency's attention, as well as other

20

government entities' attention, there are a lot of

21

information out there on the Web site, as you

22

referred to earlier, that talk about why these are

23

fictitious and that these redemption schemes are

24

nothing other than a scam. And, in fact, my agency

25

itself has issued two alerts on this, not only to

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the financial institutions, but to other government

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entities which is in the public domain that

3

specifically talk about how these instruments are

4

fictitious.

5

Q.

And if I worked for the government, I would do

6

everything thing I can to stop this too. Isn't it

7

also that people are stating that this is true,

8

that private people in the private world, you're

9

sitting down with your friends talking -- I believe

10

you said you lived in Washington -- and you might

11

go out and might chat about it, and isn't it --

12

answer the first question.

13

A.

Can you state the first question please?

14

Q.

Are there other people out there saying this

15

procedure, this process, public policy process is

16

true? Is there other people out there that stated

17

it's true, have you talked to them?

18

A.

There are individuals who are out there that

19

promote these redemption scams.

20

Q.

Can I ask you why you call it a scam?

21

A.

Because it is.

22

Q.

Can you back that -- can you back that up with

23

something?

24

A.

I can back it up with there have been numerous

25

court proceedings around the country, as well as my

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own investigation, on different items that come to

2

my attention that promote these redemption scams or

3

schemes, and that the items that support them are

4

completely fictitious and have no financial value.

5

Q.

Are you familiar with the Ed Wahler case in

6

North Carolina, just took place about four months

7

ago in North Carolina? Are you aware of the Ed

8

Wahler case? I believe there was four individuals

9

involved in that, and he was -- are you familiar

10

with that?

11

A.

I am familiar with the Ed Wahler case, yes.

12

Q.

Could you please tell me more about that case?

13

A.

Well, I was not part of those proceedings, so

14

I'm not sure what it is you would like me to tell

15

you.

16

Q.

Could you please tell me how many counts he was

17

charged with?

18

A.

I don't know the number of Counts.

19

MS. BAUMGARTEN: Objection, your Honor.

20

MR. BUCZEK: Was he found guilty or not

21

guilty?

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THE COURT: Sustained. You cannot

23

question along that line.

24

BY MR. BUCZEK:

25

Q.

Okay. Despite this information from the

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government which -- despite all this information

2

from the government and the proceedings, some

3

people believe that this still is true. That's my

4

question.

5

A.

Yes, there are some people who still believe

6

that these redemption schemes are true.

7

Q.

Okay. One more thing. Just getting back to

8

Modern Money Mechanics on page -- I believe it's

9

end of page 5 and it goes to page 6. It says banks

10

only accept promissory notes as payment. Of

11

course, banks don't loan money, because there is

12

none, and they monetize it up to nine times the

13

face value. Is that true?

14

A.

Since I'm not familiar with the article that

15

you're referring to, I really can't comment on

16

what's on those pages.

17

Q.

And also at this time you don't have a claim

18

against the defendant?

19

A.

Do I have a claim against you?

20

Q.

No, the defendant.

21

A.

I don't have a claim against the defendant in

22

this case, correct.

23

MR. BUCZEK: No further questions, Judge.

24

MS. BAUMGARTEN: Nothing further, your

25

Honor.

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THE COURT: Okay. Thank you very much.

2

Mr. Johnson, you're excused. Thank you, sir.

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MR. BUCZEK: Thank you.

4

MS. BAUMGARTEN: Just a moment please,

5

Judge, I think I have another witness available.

6

THE COURT: Okay.

7

MS. BAUMGARTEN: Your Honor, may I ask a

8

scheduling question. When was the Court

9

anticipating to break?

10

THE COURT: Approximately 11:55, or a few

11

minutes before that.

12

MS. BAUMGARTEN: We're also going to see

13

if we can put a second witness on, your Honor, so I

14

will have --

15

THE COURT: Let's start with the next

16

witness, and I don't know if we can predict how

17

long cross-examination will take. So let's see

18

where we get.

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MS. BAUMGARTEN: Thank you, Judge.

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B R A D L E Y L. P A R K E R, having been duly

21

sworn as a witness, testified as follows:

22

THE COURT: Okay, Mr. Witness, a couple of

23

very brief instructions. Just get comfortable.

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Everything is going to be taken down verbatim by my

25

court reporter. Michelle is seated just to the

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front and left of you. If you don't understand a

2

question, please ask that it be repeated. I'll

3

give the direction so that you can answer something

4

you understand. Be concise to the extent possible

5

that you can with your answers. Don't volunteer

6

information. If there's an objection, wait until I

7

rule on the objection, and then I will give you

8

instructions on whether to complete your answer or

9

to wait for another question. And don't volunteer

10

information that's not called for in any of the

11

questions or any of the discussions. Do you

12

understand those instructions?

13

THE WITNESS: I do.

14

THE COURT: All right. You're here for

15

the benefit of the ladies and gentlemen of the

16

jury, so speak in a conversational tone. The

17

microphone should pick you up okay. State your

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full name, spell your last name, please.

19

THE WITNESS: Bradley L. Parker,

20

P-A-R-K-E-R.

21

THE COURT: Okay. Mr. Parker, thank you.

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Your witness, Miss Baumgarten.

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