I BUY, SELL AND REPAIR COMPUTERS. RECENTLY I STARTED TO SAVE ALL MY COMPUTER SCRAP TO RECOVER THE GOLD THAT IS ON THE CARDS. SO ON THE OTHER HAND I STARTED TO BUY A FEW CATALYTIC CONVERTERS AS SCRAP BECAUSE I HEARD THAT IT HAS A LITTLE AMOUNT OF PLATINUM AND PALLADIUM HONEYCOMB THAT IS INSIDE THE BODY OF THE CONVERTER. SO THE POINT IS: IF SOMEONE CAN EXPLAIN TO ME OR GUIDE ME IN THE NEXT STEP TO RECOVER THE PLATINUM_PALLADIUM ONCE THE CONVERTER IS OPEN, BECAUSE THE HONEYCOMB I THINK IS MADE OF CERAMIC. WHY I WANT TO KNOW THIS: TO PROVE TO A COUPLE OF FRIENDS THAT THE CONVERTERS HAVE A LITTLE AMOUNT OF THESE METALS. THEY THINK THAT I AM CRAZY OR NUTS. MARIO Z "hobbyist" - TIJUANA , BAJA CALIFORNIA, MEXICO ++++ If you want to do it just to prove your friends the point, then I agree to them. But if you're willing to make money out of it, be prepared to spend a decent amount of life and a little fortune with no guarantee of success up front. Guillermo Marrufo Monterrey, NL, Mexico
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+++++ We have the process for getting platinum ( and other platinum grade metal from scrap catalytic converters). Listen to your friends. The platinum is there, but it is a very dangerous process. You have to know what you are doing. Charles K - Burtonsville, Maryland
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Scrap Catalytic Converter Platinum $203.00 4h 01m
++++++ Catalytic converters have precious metal in them, Mario. It's the precious metals that provide the catalytic reaction. So collect on the bet. Recovery is dangerous and
shouldn't be attempted by untrained individuals though :-)
Ted Mooney, P.E. finishing.com Brick, New Jersey
++++++ Yes there is Platinum in catalytic converters. You can't recover it yourself but you have to take it a place that buys gold, metals, scraps... I buy catalytic converters, I pay good money. It depends on what kind of catalytic converter you have and if it's full, or half full. Monica M - Louisville, Kentucky
++++++ Monica M, Can you please explain what you mean by full or half-full. also, what different types of catalytic converters are there? which ones are most desirable for resell to refiners? Thanks - Mark Mark W - San Antonio, Texas
+++++++ Hi I currently buy and sell catalytic converters to a man. He has often told me that he will be out of town selling these catalytic converters. My question is how much more is he getting paid and where does he take them to? Currently the best paid one I have had is
one for $120.00, if anyone can help me please do so. Juan M buyer/seller - Seven Springs, North Carolina
+++++++ I think Ted was kind of on the right track with his answer, but just as wrong as the rest of the responders. You will probably not find anyone willing to give up the process that they use because they use it to recover the material themselves. It would be nice if they came right out and said that so you could use your powers of internet research on chemistry to devise your own way of extracting the materials. BTW, if a person wishes to blow themselves up or poison themselves let them do it just don't take anyone else with you. Ron H - Scranton, Pennsylvania
+++++++ I have access to hundreds of catalytic converters, and want to know how to extract, not refine, the platinum from them. This would save shipping fees, but I'm not sure if I can just cut out the part containing the platinum, or do I have to strip it out? Georgia T recycler, junk dealer - Nashville, Tennessee
Ron, yes, certainly people can be coy. But the main issue is difficulty, not secretiveness. Brain surgeons and aircraft engineers may be coy too, but their coyness is not the main reason why people don't post a simple answer here on how to do brain surgery or design a jetliner :-) Recovering precious metals requires a significant investment in time, education, and equipment. Georgia, you can cut the valuable part out from the steel. They will look a lot like a small muffler. The metal housing is stainless steel and contains no precious metal (although stainless steel has scrap value too). The precious metal is in the ceramic honeycombs you find inside. Good luck! Ted Mooney, P.E. finishing.com Brick, New Jersey
Looking at ebay with asking prices from about $10 to $150 for scrap catalytic convertors.E.+++++++ Hello. UK
+++++++ Recovery of precious metals is a well developed industrial science.. New Jersey
+++++++ I work in a lab and need to produce platinum from a catalytic converter on a small and safe scale. I would like to know whom I could sell the catalytic converters. Read the great reviews of Ammen's book --> But why does your company "need" to get platinum from this source rather than buying it? If can you provide a little more detail on what you
. and came up with $80.
Ted Mooney. and there are books that compare the alternative approaches and explain the chemistry in depth. P.com Brick. Nathan. for an average size converter it has about 1. Rachel. it seems that developing a good "buy low / sell high" strategy is a much easier way to make money than doing the dangerous chemistry.. I have one way to do it but it is kinda hectic.and do the math at 1200 dollars an ounce for platinum. for the ones that want to know why they are so expensive. finishing. South Yorkshire. What is the best way of doing this? Rachael C work in a glass lab .Vernon. But. Nathan H .9 grams of platinum in the honeycomb. Alabama
+++++++ I did the math as you asked.Rotherham..
THAT WE DON'T EVEN ASK FOR. LOUIS.com Brick. ALCOHOL FOR ONE IS A DANGEROUS PROCESS IN EVERY WAY BUT PEOPLE NEVER DENIED US THE PROCESS OF CONSUMING IT AS WELL AS DRUGS. but if you say "tell me how to build a jetliner".start by reading books that are readily available from any large library (did you ask yet if your library had the books we already recommended?). people may answer. WORKING IN ASBESTOS AREAS. finishing. it's that they simply can't answer a question that broad.ST. P. I MEAN THERE ARE A LOT OF DANGEROUS THINGS OUT HERE. AND OTHER FOREIGN ILLNESSES. I MEAN REGARDLESS OF IF IT'S A DANGEROUS PROCESS OR NOT ITS OUR OWN DECISION IF WE WANT TO GO THROUGH WITH IT OR NOT. It's not so much secret as difficult to explain when starting from zero. like how thick should the nickel-cadmium plating be on a turbine blade.
. Just as Boeing & Airbus are not concerned that you will compete against them in building jetliners. Missouri Hi. BUT IT SEEMS TO ME THAT NO ONE WANTS TO GIVE THIS VALUABLE INFORMATION UP IN FEAR OF OTHER PEOPLE MAKING THE KIND OF MONEY THEY'RE MAKING. BUT TO DENY THE PEOPLE TO MAKE MANY WHETHER YOU BELIEVE OR NOT TO BE DANGEROUS IS OUR DECISION IF WE WANT TO DO IT. Good luck. P. it's not that they refuse to answer. Wade.E. you will probably get better targeted and therefore more helpful answers. New Jersey
+++++++ MY NAME IS WADE COLLINS AND I WAS TRYING TO FIND THIS PROCESS OUT MYSELF. All they can do is say "start by attending an aeronautical engineering college for four years" :-) Recovery of precious metals is a well developed science-. SO FOR ANYONE WOULDN'T MIND SHARING SOME VALUABLE INFORMATION PLEASE LET ME KNOW THE PROCESS OF EXTRACTING THESE PRECIOUS METALS Wade Collins . Give yourself a few weeks of diligent reading and you'll be able to ask rather specific questions. Johnson-Matthey & Heraeus are not afraid of their halfbillion dollar precious metal refineries facing competition from individuals.S.are trying to do. Thanks!
Ted Mooney. and people will probably be willing and able to answer. If you ask a specific question regarding how jetliners are built.
Belvidere. 2011 LOL Just acquired a foreclosed estate property with acreage and found a mountain of converters waaaayyyy back in the woods under tarps.com Brick. but I don't know the method for take out the platinum from it. page 2
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January 11.Ted Mooney. if it's possible can you help me? how do we do it? regards Jouni . Roberto Gremini . Vermont USA
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+++++++ hi friends.E. Couldn't for the life of me figure out what this guy was keeping them for and why he was hiding them so far from the road. Stumbled on this thread and now I know. I buy & sell many catalytic convertor.France
which is different from the conventional Goldschmidt process at 1000 C to 1200 C.1 kJ/mole under 2 kPa of SiCl4 gas. This. apparent activation energy of the carbochlorination within 2 hours changed from 22 to 16 kJ/mol roughly for the initial half hour and final 1 hour. but these values reduced to 15 and 2.+++++++ Since "complicated and dangerous" doesn't seem to satisfy the masses on what it takes to extract precious medals from items such as catalytic converters. I'll put it in another way. step by step method of doing this. leading to complete thorium removal and efficient rare earth separation. respectively. $24.5 hours in the (Cl2 1 SiCl4 1 AlCl3) atmosphere and then at 1000 C for 6 hours in the (Cl2 1 AlCl3) atmosphere along different temperature gradients. together with the negligible equilibrium vapor pressure of ThCl4 at below 600 C. The process to do so is known as carbochlorination and the simplified textbook definition of the process is as follows: A stepwise carbochlorination--chemical vapor transport (SC--CVT) process is proposed for the rare earth extraction and separation from a mixed bastnaesite-monazite concentrate based on thermodynamic and kinetic analysis using carbon as reductant. Their combination allows an efficient and environmentally conscious extraction and separation of rare earth elements from the mixed concentrate. there is no simpler. The rare earth chloride yield for 2 hours was 56 to 88 mol pct in the absence of SiCl4 and 92 to 99 mol pct in the presence of SiCl4. chlorine gas as chlorination agent. and AlCl3 as vapor complex former... respectively.
. but carbochlorination at above 1000 C yielded a large amount of acidinsoluble residue. in the absence of SiCl4. The CVT reaction of the carbochlorination product was performed at 800 C for 0.95 4d 04h 36m View all disclaimer
If you can't understand that then you're out of luck.
HOW TO RECOVER RARE METALS FROM ELECTRON . Between 500 deg C and 800 deg C. SiCl4 as defluorination agent. suggests that carbochlorination of the mixed concentrate at temperatures as low as 500 deg C in the (Cl2 1 SiCl4) atmosphere is suitable for rare earth extraction and thorium-free volatile by-product release.
Cory Gage - Tulsa, Oklahoma
+++++++ The reason these [expletive deleted] don't want to give you the info is cause of the loss of money they would be hit with. The high value cat's get 2 to 300 dollars that hold up to 2 ounces of platinum in them.Notice you caught the eye of so many on here trying to buy yours instead of showing how you can recover 2 ounces of platinum. Now 1 ounce goes for what 1300 dollars.I wouldn't show you how to recover it either! Zachary Rumble - Lawton, Oklahoma
+++++++ Cory just finished taking the time to give you the 'secret' info, Zachary. But you don't yet have the background knowledge to understand his instructions. Any large library will have books on recovering platinum and precious metals; you may need to study those books before you understand Cory's instructions. I bought a new catalytic converter from Meineke for under $150. Some models for larger cars may have more platinum but $2600 worth sounded ludicrous. So I spent some time on line looking for the world's most expensive catalytic converter and the best I could do was $2495 for a pair for a Ferrari, Although the precious metals are indeed valuable, maybe the real issue is that there are people who want to sell you scrap at ridiculous prices by exaggerating its value while implying that recovery is easy?
Ted Mooney, P.E. finishing.com Brick, New Jersey
+++++++ I am a buyer of scrap catalytic converters.The process you ask about is very hard and dangerous. It is a process that is regulated under EPA standards. It is profitable to sell the converter as a whole unit. You can refine or have them refined in other countries if you want to gather up 3000 of them and wait 90 days on your money to come back to you. My web site buys on average 2500 catalytic converters a month. I have tried it all and to refine a converter yourself is totally crazy. There is 3 acids in the process and it becomes very explosive and at
times it does explode.The proper automated machines keep the workers safe when this happens. There are several platinum groups in most converters. A large gm I pay 100.00 for it on my web site. A aftermarket converter is not worth what a factory converter is. It will only net you 10.00 as scrap. Some large converters I pay 140.00 for them and some exotic converters go higher than that, 200.00 or so. Before you find all there is to refining your own think about the people around you and the laws of the land. Steven Gee - Hornsby, Tennessee
+++++++ I agree with Mr. Mooney's last post. It is impossible to recover $200 in metals value from a product that RETAILS for less than $200! Now, I do believe that finding silver/gold/Pt/Pd and other precious metals in a refinable form is still do-able at flea-markets, garage and estate sales and thrift stores - with enough time and patience. They, like others, have become much more sophisticated, so, likely they tested and 'high-graded' anything before it went out for sale. Garage sales at private residences (NOT conducted by professional estate or auction services) remain the best candidates. Bruce A Ades - Carrollton, Texas
+++++++ I am new to scrap metal. I want to get the metal out of these items. Does anybody know a melt down place to retrieve these metals? I want to make a living doing scrap metal. Vicky in Los Angeles Victoria Blanchard hobbyist - Los Angeles, California
+++++++ The carbochlorination behavior of scrapped honeycomb-type automobile catalysts was investigated using a chlorine and carbon monoxide gas mixture to fully extract platinum and rhodium in the catalysts. The recoveries of platinum, rhodium, and base metals are monitored by ICP-AES analyses. Upflow type of fixed-bed carbochlorination experiments were performed between 250 and 700 C. The effects of flow rate, time, and partial pressures of chlorine and carbon monoxide were also determined. After optimization of these parameters, the recoveries of about 95.9% of platinum and 92.9% of rhodium were obtained
at 550 C. The recovered condensate was contaminated by various base metal chlorides. The chlorides generated from the base metals could be minimized by decreasing the flow rate of the gas mixture without any deterioration of PGM recoveries, but at the expense of the volatility. The carbochlorination of scrapped automobile catalysts could be an efficient way for the profitable recovery of platinum and rhodium chlorinated compounds at comparatively low temperatures. sorry i cant find the credits Brian McKee - Buffalo, New York
January 26, 2008 I agree with most of the comments here. The process is not one that everyone should be trying. It is much easier to just find someone who is doing it all the time. There are a few good companies that would be happy to buy all the CCs you can get them. If you want to try something try to recover gold. It is plenty dangerous enough for the thrill seekers and you are much more likely to have a good outcome. After you have done a few hundred pounds of gold then you can move up to this. I should mention scale is very important when it comes to profit margins on both of these processes. Michael Biggs - Princeton, Texas
January 29, 2008 Recovery of metals from cats is difficult| Is it possible to recondition the cat ready for re installation .E G.Vacuum baking to remove volatiles followed by baking in air to burn off carbon? Mickey Louvel chemist - Hampshire, U.K.
February 10, 2008 http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/5542957-description.html Here you will find several ways to extract the metals. And for everyone out there who enjoys censoring information to the masses, tisk tisk. Adam Underwood
finishing. Or is it just a burning curiosity? Maybe we should have some legal authority monitoring of this thread.San Francisco. 2008 Those of you wanting more for your converters are in a jam.com Brick. Alabama
February 10.Perth.. I decided to take my leather jacket off and break the red hot pipe from the converter. quantity. To my surprise. you do not want to refine the tiny bit of metal in each without a lab behind you. I burnt my hands dragging the thing from the road. but I persevered and finally broke the catalytic converter off.Mobile. The replacement bumper and paintwork cost me $780. I did the first aid on my hands. 2008 I wonder where all these people are getting ALL these cats.E. P.00. I placed it in the truck of my vehicle and raced it home. Adam?
Ted Mooney. it was just an old muffler!!! What a day!!!! Enjoy your converter people. having some knowledge of it. James Monroe . New Jersey
February 11.. The sole of my shoe and my jacket were destroyed in this process. volume. I didn't have time to get out of it's way and ran over it at 110 km/h(70 MPH). 2008 Have you seen anyone censoring anything. cried over the stuffed jacked and shoe and proceeded to take to the thing with my oxy-acetylene cutter. so I too could own some PLATINUM. California
February 19. It's dangerous plus you'll lose money. I wonder because somebody just hacked mine off my Jeep with a Sawsall. Prices are based on types. I stopped to check the damage and remove the converter and tailpipe from the road. Western Australia
February 11. and remember everyone has to make a profit or they would be out of business. Cindy Reynolds
. 2008 About 4 years ago I was traveling along the highway and a catalytic converter dislodged it's self from the vehicle in front of me. eh? And no.PJC Peter Carey ..
2008 I own a salvage company. I in turn found out the secret.Kilkenny. How do I know if there is any precious metals left in them.I know there are ways around but at least we are trying. Kurt Crosby . how much money I will receive for which model? I don't want to give 50 and get 30. Do some research it is not that hard to search this stuff. The reason most people don't do it is they are either dreamers or just too stupid or flat out too lazy to try when they find out what it takes. Ohio
March 16.Springfield... and then you have almost pure platinum and palladium.Prairie Du Chien. James Wilson . Minnesota
March 19.so they have just passed a law that the purchaser must get the id of the seller which helps determine if a Jeep cat was cut off and a Jeep cat was sold the next day they can find you.in a perfect world.Dalton. 2008 I too used to think like most of you until I talked to a gentleman who owns a bronze sculpture foundry.. Doug Dugan hobbyist .. So can some one give me a price list. Georgia
April 24. I have no interest in recovering the platinum. 2008 The cat's are disappearing here in Minn. When you pour the mold it will cool and the slag can be removed with a small hammer. You can find the plans for a furnace online easily. One that came off of a
. A Crucible and crucible furnace is all you need along with someborax [link is to product info] and silica sand. 2008 How do I know if my converter cartridge has any material left in it? I have access to cartridges which have been removed from converters. Platinum and Palladium are each different weights and one has a higher melting point than the other so when cooling down they tend to separate somewhat. Wisconsin
March 11.. Thanks and good luck all. Easy to assemble and use. I just want to sell the cat. The average cc contains around (if all used up) about a 1/4 oz..
[certain model] that had been wrecked before it got used almost new produces close to 3 oz. These are after market.E. When the cc was added because of emissions control cars started becoming 10 to 12000 dollars. They can put less of the valuable components into them for sale in these states and still be in compliance. It is doable and should be done by anyone with half a brain! chuck graham . 2008 The new converters that they sell are not like the ones that come on the new car. If people would take the time to do it right they would make a lot of extra money for themselves.com Brick.000 dollars. It is there and I make a lot on it every weekend.000 and up. Don't let the buyers of cc's lie and say they don't hardly get much more from you on them from their buyers. 2008 The "low" price for platinum today was $1951/oz. but something doesn't add up. finishing.
Ted Mooney. If i buy one that came off of a new car it will yield way more than that of a knock off. If you don't you are just spinning your wheels. I also extract gold from plated cosmetic jewelry and have a good time doing it in my spare time. Oklahoma
April 24. I average 2 to 3. They don't care if it costs them 3 grand to produce one for the new car because they will add that to the new car price. They use a pgm that is not as high as platinum or pall. Just an example: before the cc came out on new cars the value of a car was in the mid thousand dollar range.. the low price for palladium was $432/oz. the new cats that you get are either reconditioned or made of cheap stuff. I just smelted an '89 and produced 1/3 oz of platinum on a dead one. To sum it all up if you buy for 100.000. So if we assume the car maker uses half palladium and half platinum it would cost them $3575 to charge a converter? Some convertors are worth more than others. They make a lot and the guys who melt them make a killing. Chuck.
. Regards. New Jersey
April 26. Do your research if you want to make money. Like in the 70's a new car (not a Cadillac mind you) but a regular car was around 7. This fit with the plan and now it will cost 18.00 you have to make a profit. Also with a lot of states like here that require an inspection sticker no more. You just have to be safe doing it so you don't hurt your self in the process.Purcell. P.00 every weekend on cc's. They use the price of the car to offset the cc that has the platinum inside.
HNO3). wash with HCl. How much platinum is in 60 grams of these flakes? 2) where can I sell it? 3) how much can I expect to get per ounce of this stuff? Thanks for your help Joe Goday interested in getting involved . 2008 Reflux the honeycomb in aqua regia (HCl. would it be worth it to purchase a Crucible furnace and extract the platinum/palladium myself? It seems to me that the older and heavier ones would be more valuable. Utah
April 30. I'm I right in my assumption? Thanks for any help you can give me. 2008 Hi. dry and heat to 500 C to remove impurities.Chuck Chuck Graham . I have been selling the vehicles off one by one. 2008 How much precious metal is in 60 grams of catalytic converter flakes? Hi someone please help me with these questions: 1) on ebay people sell collected flakes of platinum from catalytic converters.Tooele.Purcell. treat with Ammonium chloride. ten converters in a shed. Kathie Meli junk yard owner . I'd like to know: are the cars/trucks with the catalytic converters intact worth more? I'm I being ripped off? Yesterday I found approx. California
April 25. Oklahoma
April 29. strain the resulting solution and dispose of the ceramic.
. evaporate.San Francisco. some for scrap at $90 to $100 each. I recently inherited a mini junk yard.
And by the way if your still wanting to try it all your selves. Well stop asking the how and just ask what's the best way to make the most money you can.Steve Shaw . do they? Or. like the starters & alternators? I know they have the copper windings inside. punch a hole in the converters and the beads will usually fall out.Texas
June 17. then you will need hydrochloric acid. I won't go in to more detail than that. muriatic acid so you can mix them in the right amounts to make the acid that is needed to extract the metals. Dale R . I won't go in to more detail than that. First of all get a 55 gallon barrel and then start collecting converters. so what's your choice? I for one will stick to watching "How Its Made" on the Discovery channel and learn from the Pro's on how to safely recycle converters. I think I should remove and scrap my converters before calling the junk dealer and just giving the cars away. 2008 Well I am sure we are all tired of hearing the same questions over and over again and that HOW. do they just weigh them and give you a set price. Also. muriatic acid so you can mix them in the right amounts to make the acid that is needed to extract the metals. A barrel full is worth about 20. the dark ones are the trash and the other lighter colored ones are the metals your looking for. 2008 I have 6 or so cars that I have been dragging my feet about getting rid of. How do I or the recycler now the value of each? Surely they do not take them apart on the spot.with the recent outbreak of thefts. is there other parts that might be worth my while to scrap. I also know they pay a lot less for 'dirty' metal as I scraped some aluminum window frames a few years ago and was paid a lot less for the ones that had screws and other metal still attached. Washington
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May 12.Honeoye Falls. I am sure they will have a re-run there.000 USD.regardless? Just wondering if it will be worth my while to jack up and climb under and cut off the converters. Carol Stevens . then you will need hydrochloric acid. you can go find what your looking
. 2008 "And by the way if your still wanting to try it all your selves. Now I am no rocket scientist but it sure don't take one to fill up that 55 gallon barrel and have it shipped to a refiner in Cali. you can go find what your looking for on the Discovery network. That part is soooo simple anyone can do it. I am currently in between jobs and could use the money to get me through.Olalla. You will notice there are different colored beads.
available from any library. Please study. "I wont go into more detail than that.. OK explained an alternate way to do it by melting. so why not just melt it out (after all you probably do) because its easier. • We've named books. New Jersey
June 27. Then Chuck from Purcell.for on the Discovery network.YOU ALWAYS HAVE SUCH A RESERVED CONTROL
. Regards. Cory from Tulsa explained in detail how the precious metals can be recovered. Dale from Texas suggested collecting the beads in barrels as the best place to position yourself in the recovery chain to make money simply and easily. • • • • • But instead of thanking anyone.. GOOD GRIEF! Y'KNOW. TED. 2008 OH.. I am sure they will have a re-run there. 2008 Hi. but went on to name a TV program if you want to go further. Why? just to try to discourage us because you don't want us possibly taking your profit if were in your area. you tell us about chemicals to thwart us from trying when you people are probably just tossing them into a furnace and pouring brick after brick. and then ask any detailed question you wish and people will probably be delighted to answer it. finishing. Then Adam from Mobile pointed you to a patent describing some methods. Tyler E .com Brick. "pouring brick after brick" of precious metal." see it is that one lil sentence that is a bunch of bull. all metal will melt at some point.Norfolk. can perform a precious metal refining process.
Ted Mooney. that will explain all. Then Brian from Buffalo did the same. P.E. Tyler." why in the heck can't you people share what you know? instead you have to be all secretive and say oh it's dangerous and you need all these poisonous chemicals. It's just ridiculous. you demand that someone explain in one paragraph how people of unknown skill and experience. perhaps without basic chemistry knowledge. Virginia
I GET A REGULAR DOSE OF COMMENTS FROM INDIVIDUALS CLAIMING THAT THERE'S GOTTA BE SOME SORT OF CONSPIRACY WITH REGARD TO ACTUAL RETRIEVABLE PGM LOADS FROM VARIOUS AUTO CATALYSTS AND INDUSTRIAL SUCCENTS.. you're dead and everyone close to you.I UNDERSTAND JUST HOW OFTEN YOU MUST BITE YOUR LIP AND GIVE A SIGNIFICANT PAUSE TO REFLECT ON THE ABSURDITIES SOME OF THESE POSTERS KEY-OUT. 2008 why when someone lays it out for you you think its wrong? its not safe you can't do it in your house or basement if you get it wrong you die!! SO look it up and then think about it!! get it wrong.FOR HOURS AND HOURS.... Allen Cook pgm refiner . AND THEY ALSO BELIEVE THAT THE PROCESS IS SIMPLE AND COSTS VERY LITTLE TO DO IT. I'LL GET THROUGH THIS TONIGHT.. R..... OK.gonna pour myself a good brandy. Wyoming
July 4. ONE HAS TO WONDER IF THEY ARE JOKING WITH US OR (even worse) ARE ACTUALLY SERIOUS ABOUT SOME OF THEIR FANTASTIC BELIEFS AND STATEMENTS.rock springs.. BUT.. I.Moreno Valley..OK... THERE.. Umm..I'M ALRIGHT NOW. cant fix dumb terry Pearson .I HEAR SOMETHING EVEN FUNNIER. I SWEAR....'TILL IT STARTS ALL OVER AGAIN TOMORROW MORNING....I HAVE NOTHING TO SAY. NOW.WITH YOUR RESPONSES TO THESE POSTS AND I DO ADMIRE YOU FOR THAT. AAARRRRAGGGAAAHHHHH! OK. YEAH. I DEAL WITH VARIOUS SEGMENTS OF THE PGM RECYCLING INDUSTRY ON A DAILY (and nightly) BASIS AND EVERY TIME I THINK THAT I'VE HEARD IT ALL. I SUPPOSE THAT I WOULD NEED TO WRITE-IN A FEW CHASE SCENES AND OTHER HI-TENSION SUBJECT MATTER TO HOLD GENERAL AUDIENCE INTERESTS... I DON'T KNOW IF I WOULD WANT TO INCLUDE THE PERSONAL REALITY OF ME WAKING UP IN A COLD-CLAMMY SWEAT.. California
July 4. 2008 I have started down the Aqua regia route for reclaiming PMG's from cats which I'm quite
.. MANY TIMES THE ACTUAL AMOUNTS OF THOSE PRECIOUS METALS THAT EXIST IN THE SPENT CATALYSTS. TED.I WILL.(on a good night) FROM DREAMING ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS THESE MISDIRECTED. IN ANY MONTH..AND BEFORE MY SIDE STOPS HURTING FROM UNCONTROLLED LAUGHTER. I COULD GATHER ENOUGH STORY MATERIAL TO MAKE A VERY BIZARRE COMEDY. SCREAMING. SO MANY OF THEM DO BELIEVE THAT WE MUST BE SALVAGING MANY... NAIVE AND SOMETIMES HYSTERICAL PEOPLE HAVE TO SAY TO ME ON THE PHONE OR eMAIL. BELIEVE ME....
being a retired scientist(chemist). New Zealand
July 4.comfortable with. I personally think people are misguided in their amateur precious metal recovery efforts. and so on until the last step of removing slag from the platinum.Palacios.Palmerston Nth. Texas
July 9. 2008 Also. Scott. I guess in some areas there is catalytic converter theft but I've never heard of an incident in my local newspapers or on my TV stations. I will post it on the major internet services (google. However. Sincerely. I Remain. Step #3 Melt all of the contents. What I can't fathom with Chuck's method though is that separation of the PMG's seem to be straight forward but the scientific papers on the subject say you only get separation of the PMG's if you use a carrier metal such as copper. if anyone had done their homework. could someone give the correct Step #1 Open up the converter with a torch. etc. Thank you again.) for all to use. I would like to thank whom ever sends this information so that it can be distributed to people who do need extra income for their families. Step #2 Strip the insides of the converter and place into a large crucible. England
July 9. I do like Chuck's method however and if I had seen it early enough would have gone down that road as it appears nice and clean. but I have no reason to assume they are thieves. the current market for rhodium is closer to £18K. yahoo. I have read these questions and also the answers in great detail tying to resolve the correct procedures to make these extractions of platinum. Chuck? Bob Keen . that is how we know there is no real interest in the metal other than its resale value. Perhaps the key to it is the flux's that Chuck uses! Any comments. Is there any one who can steer us folks in the correct step by step procedures? What # step do the different chemicals get added in? As soon as I obtain the correct step by step procedures for the extraction of platinum from auto catalytic converters. they would know that the current market price for an ounce of platinum is closer to $4k. 2008 Hi. and my son who is a
. I too am interested in procuring platinum from catalytic converters. 2008 Why is it that all these cat convertor thieves are asking how to extract the platinum. Scott Edgeler . etc. Don Weaver hobbyist .London. I have tried googling on the internet and I have not found any significant "steps" to extract platinum from converters.
YOU WILL KNOW A LITTLE MORE ABOUT WORLD MARKET PRECIOUS METALS BUYING AND SELLING VALUES.JUST KEY-OUT "KITCO" OK? I'M GONNA GO TO BED NOW.
Ted Mooney. 2008 My question is for chuck who last posted on this topic back in April. I am interested in getting into this so I have been doing some research. fluoride. and Sodium Nitrate to remove the impurities from the gold. WHY ARE U QUOTING SUCH ABSURD SPOT-PRICES FOR PLATINUM AND PALLADIUM? IF YOU WILL REFER TO THE CURRENT DAILY PGM CHARTS DISPLAYED BY KITCO. would this work? How many times do you have melt the gold to remove all of the impurities? Does the waste or slag eventually come to the surface and then it is easy to pour out or do you have to strain it somehow? How do you measure the purity of gold? Where do you sell your gold when your done? What kind of price should I expect for an ounce of refined gold? (I know what gold is worth..moreno valley. I'm sorry for you -.. Silica flour. If you've suffered a theft yourself.E.GAWD.. along with a graphite crucible. P. finishing.but please don't demand that we make the presumption that anyone we see climbing the church steps is on their way to rob the poor box :-) Regards. C'MON. I intend to go to
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July 14. SCOTT..local cop here hasn't seen any incidences of it either. r. Any answers anyone can provide on this topic would be greatly appreciated. allen cook ... but I have some questions...com Brick. 2008 OMG. STOP IT SCOTT. I know when they are refining gold after being mined they use a combination of these five chemicals Manganese Dioxide. but I am not sure how close to full price I would be able to get for it). Could you use these same chemicals when melting jewelry? How does this process work? How much of each chemical should be used? What do you use? Also I was thinking of using an electric kiln capable of 2300 F. PLEEZ. borax [link is to product info]. New Jersey
July 11. You said that you reclaimed gold from jewelry.
very dangerous.. what you know (like chemistry). he pays them X per. I am very tempted to try my hand at recovering metals from cats. You have to decide where you want to fit in the process.78 g rhodium . the chemicals required are. plus Y for (1) the work and expense of collecting them and (2) developing his network of suppliers (the repair shops). 2008 1. you will not get a second chance. He is currently getting $30 each. however. including concentrated acids. The large English company of Johnson Matthey supply 1 in 3 cars worldwide with cats. Guy picks up cats from repair shops. but the body of the cat itself. fire. (If you are good with people. The info is available on the web. B. Think boiling acid. The processor must cut open the cats and remove the core (that's where the platinum is.04 g palladium and 0. in fact. 2. Because cats run at extremely high temperatures. the steel parts are high grade and not easy to cut. about 15 cats a week.the library to do more research but if I could talk to someone who has actually done something like this it would help.19 g platinum. (I'm not talking about the pipes on either side. in a cat has a value: A.Vista. Bob Keen . Every step towards recovering platinum. plus Z for . explosion . New Zealand July 14. and what you are good at. The value of your part of the process depends on how much work you want to do.take your pick. 2008 Some pertinent information for potential cat processors.. I have some chemistry lab experience. 1.Palmerston North. etc. Is this a reasonable price? He works primarily on higher priced cars.)
. They indicate that in 1993 cats contained 60 g of precious metals but with new technologies this has been reduced so that now cats only contain 5 g of precious metals and this equates approximately to 3.) The processor can sell the core for X + Y. California July 14.) You want a plasma cutter to work at speed.so it looks as though if you want to get the most out of cat processing you grab the earlier cats most of whom will contain only platinum and palladium.. Friend of mine runs a repair shop. 3. C. You see where this is leading. you might do very well building relationships with owners of repair shops. He can sell them to a processor for X. If you mess up. Garret Boyer .
sourcing the CCs. difficult and dirty and is a 'pro's only' game requiring much knowledge to avoid death and harm . OR 2. Yes. get some cats and refine your process through the chain as you feel comfortable and safe. No chem degree required or magical explosions or secretive myths.
. start at step 1. what year did they start and stop putting the precious beads in these converters? Actually it's a question of curiosity . 2008 Ted Wow. The level you wish to extract to depends on the level of work & knowledge OR test & try you . New York July 14.Ardsley. I liked the post that spoke to finding your place in the distribution chain i. this is a chemical process that is dangerous.Frank Richardson . or you are happy to concentrate the cores to the point that that you are comfortable with and learn as you go then that is a great plan. since no one has asked it yet. Bottom line if you are happy with less recovery. 1. If you read through this post and all the threads you will find that there are two pools of thought. Suggestion: if you do not need cash but want to start a play just start stockpiling CCs... Laura Shea .. Arizona USA
July 18.Phoenix. do multiple levels in the process and avoid what they are not good at . And actually they are right. You do not need to break out the boiling acid to make a buck. they are making a killing but only the ones that stay quiet.be it chemistry or people (Ted). 2008 I'll take the easy road . Then learn / test the next step and so forth. get a life. High temp acid and playing with chemical mixtures at any temperature is a great start to a bad weekend.like playing with VooDoo dolls or something.e. You do NOT have to use a complex and dangerous chemical process to recover these metals unless you need high yield recovery.that you apply. This is a basic process of extraction..
stripped the cores.. Its a closed poverty and scarcity mindset that tries to infect others with the difficulty you found learning it. My chemistry and people skills may not be good. Jon. So we'll be happy to print more postings from you. Imagine though if you bought CC for 5 years. wear breathing and other protection.. Then if you decide the biz (or parts of the biz) is not for you you can sell your cores and cash out and probably make more because the metal prices keep going up.don't outline problems but give better solutions so they can learn and grow.when you get better later and have more skills and contacts you can convert for cash or refine it to the next step of stripping the cores well. Get rich quick? Nope.
.. So you are dealing with some pretty bad radicals so be safe. learn to safely strip cats. One last point is keep in mind the cores are dangerous from step 1. That's when you cash in.. I don't engage in any business except this website and haven't for many years -. or sell it as-is. did a fast refinement to concentrate and then started doing the processing side. I learned that the single most important thing necessary for a durable public forum website is to not print ad hominem attacks.so I don't know what you mean about "your feedback and others in the business as being very transparent".yip. but they've been adequate to keep this site going for more than a quarter million postings over 19 years. Texas
July 18.e.. but only if they talk about the topic rather than the other posters. learn to buy cats. So do your 55 gallon drum but keep the drum & learn or sell it only once you know more about its real value. instead why not try to help . Take a long term view. Jon Decker personal interest . i. learn to compact the cores. 2008 Hi.that why they are in the car. refine. There are carcinogens (cancer causing agents) in exhaust and many bad chemicals . Jolly Roger PS Ted nothing actually against you however I see your feedback and others in the business as being very transparent including mr CAPITALS. Be mindful of environmental impacts and keep the cores well stored.Dallas. Get wealthy as you go . Regards.
E. you will need to dissolve it in a hot aqua regia. Georgia July 22.Vista. Georgia July 21.Ted Mooney.your use of ounces and the confusion of value may be because the measure of TROY ounces for platinum is different from a standard ounce i believe MARCUS Hardy . i want a direct dealer. finishing.. and believe you can do it with platinum. calculated in kg? I get my goods from Europe. California July 22. but it is dangerous. Please explain. 2008 I think you should look at what other products have Platinum in them there must be other applications that are not so hard to find electronics maybe? L. New Jersey
July 19. What's the name of the refinery? Did you actually fill up a 55 gallon barrel full of the beads and sell it for $20. I called around to a few places and they say you can't get nearly that much for them. company that buy complete cat converter or buy those that have been removed from the case.. 2008 Hey Dale you said that you can ship a 55 gallon barrel full of CC beads to a refinery in CA. Mims Research .Brunswick.Atlanta. P. or did you just hear from someone that you could sell them for that much. Africa and Asia. Garret Boyer . I have done this with gold. Collins Emeka Ali wholesaler . aqua regia is made with
.000 to a refinery in CA. 2008 just a quick note.Taunusstein. 2008 I believe I know how. Germany July 20. Hessen. 2008 I have been searching for company or companies that recycle auto catalytic converter to transact business with.com Brick.
Chuck was the smartest and closest poster yet. after you dissolve the platinum you can recover it by filtering out the acid through a coffee filter. never mind. cover the remainder with water. to get the $50.) Fred Weivraer .000 worth of palladium.html July 30. much hotter than gold at 1063°C I hope this helps and gives you enough information that you will be able to make a good decision on is it really worth it! Dennis Misenar . 2008 I am going to explain the easiest way to do this. After the melt has cooled cover half of it with chemically pure nitric acid. This can be done in a 30 gallon steel barrel with a crucible inside. platinum. You will have to crack the ceramic in a few places to accelerate the melt. Wait. Well.Grand Rapids. what? Oh.Bremerton. I am not sure about platinum. the fumes and smoke are
. please at least warn the folks at 9-1-1 before you start.morrow. note: Regarding theft of catalytic convertors. I got me some cat converters we found just hangin off the cars in the walmart parkin lot.hydrochloric and nitric acids. here's a message from a Firefighter/EMT/Hazmat Tech: You have no more business doing "do it yourself" metallurgy of this type than you have making your own fireworks or booze. However keep in mind that it can be extremely dangerous if you are not constantly paying attention. It is best to use a large ceramic coated cooks pot so you don't have to transfer the liquid later. and kryptonite and stuff. see-. Georgia August 8. Next take it to an area far away from human traffic . and me and some of my buds here in the trailer park are thinkin of settin up an advanced precious metals extraction lab in my shed (thinkin of callin it "Hazmat Heaven") and I wanna know from you people what's a cheap easy way I can learn from one post.blog. titanium. the melting point of platinum is 1755°C. First you take the contents of the CC whether it be beads or honeycomb and melt it. 2008 Hey. uranium.com/cars/2008/02/asplatinum-soa. this makes the acid start to work. acids are very dangerous when you heat them. gold appears as a white powder on the filter. 2008 hey I'm touss in ga and want to know more about selling these cats i have in my junk cars! please do help who buys them and how much? touss black auto sales . Washington Ed. but seriously folks. Michigan August 4. See you soon. And don't ask me to do too much readin! (No.wired.
Florida August 21. Different metals require different temperatures to melt/smelt/separate. Carry out a large scale fire assay approach and add litharge to the flux mix.. there is always danger in attempting to extract precious or semi-precious metal due to the heat and gas-release aspect. the acid will eat everything but gild and platinum metals . All metals give off varying degrees of toxic fumes during the smelting process. Put this on an old gas barbecue with a side burner and heat it . What is the process for extraction/recovery of platinum from vehicle catalytic converters that makes it "risky" or "near-impossible" ?
. Iron. Bob Keen .St. Some metals must undergo multiple smeltings to be purified to a level which makes "recovery/collection" feasible. The PbO is reduced to lead which acts as a carrier metal for the precious metals. 2008 A query to Chuck . I've carried out a literature search the results of which indicate that with the crucible furnace approach the temperature of the contents of the crucible must be such as to melt the precious metal under consideration for it to form a button of metal in the bottom of the mould. If any of you readers try this approach please report back on the minimum amount of litharge you can use and don't be so damn secretive. Aluminum. Copper. take what is left in the bottom of the pot to a refiner and they will refine it and pay you much more than you will get if you sell them whole.. Platinum . This means it takes a crucible furnace that can melt bronze if you want to recover silver or gold but you need a special crucible furnace that can reach above the upper limit of iron to at least melt the palladium which would act as a carrier metal for platinum which melts at a higher temperature. REMEMBER this is very dangerous but it works Angelo C retired . Mercury. Yes. then dissolve the lead (and the palladium will also go) out of the button with nitric acid leaving the platinum behind. Does this not fit in with your description of the two metals being melted? As I see it for any one who has. New Zealand August 22. Sliver. All must be MELTED (smelted)to a liquid or semi-liquid state in order to separate it from all other metals/minerals/waste. you have been rather shy in coming back with answers but you may come back on this one. Steel.. Gold. Zinc.Hi Chuck. 2008 . Petersburg.Palmerston North.truly DEADLY.. Tin. or can build a crucible furnace capable of melting bronze your still in the picture.
Keep up the good work... what a strange and interesting corner of the internet this is to have stumbled into.West Blocton. This requires $millions. G'Day ! . Like how to separate the platinum from the other elements. Forget it. As an outsider having come in this subject with an impartial point of view and having reached a conclusion.. You can only profit from refining the platinum if you are set up to do it in a professional working environment. IF YOU ARE THINKING OF STEALING CATALYTIC CONVERTERS TO SELL FOR PROFIT.. Texas October 13.and the ceramic that are found in cat converters. Mississippi August 26.Jackson. just curious . It is a risky criminal venture and you'll be making probably about $50 off of it.. There are easier ways to scrounge up fifty bucks. let me say to others before they post: IF YOU ARE THINKING OF TRYING TO GET INTO THE PRECIOUS METALS EXTRACTION BUSINESS AS A SMALL TIME PERSONAL BUSINESS. i. Cheers Ian Vollers . DON'T. Alabama October 27.. 2008 Hi I have a reactor for leaching catalysts same catalytic convertors process is simple and
.cathode and anode for a 7 kw solid oxide fuel cell to produce electricity.Houston. DON'T. 2008 My. And further is it possible and feasible and cost effective? William Perry researcher .e... foundry equipment. Ted. rch Richard Howell . you are truly a wise man replying calmly to a variety of wildly different and equally stupid comments in your own due time. 2008 I am trying to come up with enough platinum from an automobile's catalytic converters to build the stacks. Can anyone steer me in the right direction and method to obtain the elements that is inside the catalytic converter.
Esfahan.silver. platinum..Lexington.. I don't know how much of it is pure or not but I'm having a hard time finding a place i can sell to. So much heat is released that the solution may boil very violently.aluminum. Mahmoodbeigi . I don't normally write on forums just read them. the solution that forms is very dilute and the small amount of heat released is not enough to vaporize and spatter it. Petersburg. If you add water to acid..Swansea. and never the reverse. Alaska
. But I will say: DO NOT LISTEN TO Angelo C retired . 2008 I was given some platinum shavings from my father in law..if not sorry for wasting your time.hollis. NEVER ADD WATER TO ACID.
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December 15. FL.please reply. you form an extremely concentrated solution of acid initially. Wales. 2008 I need to find the device that is used to identify which precious metal I have acquired.K. Travis Watkins . So Always Add Acid to water..St. Some precious metals are obvious but... If anyone knows of a place it would be most helpful. Iran November 12..effective recovery platinum is 97% in this process we load pacol catalyst about 15 KG then add sodium cyanide 60 liter 1% after 2 h and 160 c platinum and other precious metals dissolve we recover solution on anionic resin after burning resin we have pure platinum then this platinum purified. Anyhow it's not anyone's place to say you shouldn't experiment with these suggestions.. So if you know where to acquire one.. Dave tupps . U. 2008 Sorry folks had to say something on the subject. splashing concentrated acid out of the container! If you add acid to water. and zinc are hard for me to identify unless I already know what it is. most discoveries are made from mistakes after all.. DIGITAL SCALE $27. Kentucky
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I must fill a 55 gallon drum with 10 gallons of hydrochloric acid and then dilute with 45 gallons of water..
Ted Mooney.. Petersburg.. NEVER ADD WATER TO ACID. The principle is that if a droplet of water is added to strong acid. This isn't just book stuff. When water and acid are mixed. it seems that some haven't even read the whole forum.. you can have a situation where that droplet is surrounded by concentrated acid and as it begins to mix. and never the reverse. you form an extremely concentrated solution of acid initially. it may cause no problem. everyone should be allowed to experiment with these processes and perhaps learn a better way to extract these precious metals. So much heat is released that the solution may boil very violently." I completely disagree. at my place of employment. 2008 I must add that thus far. not the concentration. As for being informed and the morality of "stealing" a process. and it's the safe procedure to learn. FL. Chris Jones . I think that you should read up and lean the do and don'ts of the process but in the end. If you add water to acid. the heat of liberation can be great enough to flash that droplet of water to steam and blow concentrated acid out of the mixing container. it's real stuff that has injured many people. finishing. 2008 "DO NOT LISTEN TO Angelo Casa retired . Never been a problem with it. this is called the heat of liberation. I add another gallon of the same acid to the 5 gallon pail. New Jersey
.com Brick.Neenah Wisconsin Hi. Once weekly. Regards. I am only changing the volume of acid. the solution that forms is very dilute and the small amount of heat released is not enough to vaporize and spatter it.. P. Chris. If you add water to an acid which is already sufficiently diluted. This has been done this way every week since the place opened in 1967. Now.December 21. simple or not.. heat is produced.let's pretend I have a 5 gallon pail with 1 gallon of hydrochloric acid in it..St. But Angelo is correct about the principle. So Always Add Acid to water. Most of the new questions have been answered farther back. and then you'll never have a problem wondering whether the acid is weak enough to keep you out of trouble. splashing concentrated acid out of the container! If you add acid to water.E.
. like the bio diesel making system . Lisa Harrison hobbyist . You may be doing a small favor to the environment. etc. are found in these fuels and are released into the air upon burning. This is why you can buy a $200 cat and 5 years later. but the refineries wouldn't be there unless it was absolutely worth it. if it does. some places even pay up to a hundred. sell it for about $100 (where it just seems to be an old piece of junk) The gentleman had shown a tray of blackish powder and stated that its contents were platinum and palladium (mostly) and was worth over 3 million dollars. do so.The real reason. You are in fact collecting these precious materials for someone else to make a lot of profit. If you can refine it yourself though the above mentioned process by the others. Better to have the money in your pocket than someone else's. Minnesota January 7. Canada December 26. The process of extracting these materials was only partially aired on TV not too long ago where the spokesman of the company let slip that cats do the same filtering and collecting as his plant does through filtering emissions. 2008 I thinking what most of the people want to know is if there is a complete prefabricated system we can buy and use to extract this metals. Good luck and be careful. adding to the cat's original metal content.. even though the process is complex enough. you will learn that gold. Think about it. there are places all around Minnesota that buy old cats. though.Willmar.. Some scrap yards try to pay you the minimum price ($5). The cats actually catch these metal particles.. as for half full half empty they are talking bout how much stuff is inside the cat. palladium. that I am responding is if you check up about gas and other such fossil fuel emissions. (no good) also if you shake it it should not make a noise if it is full. This makes the cats more valuable than they actually started off as and this discovery had been made some 30 years ago. Others that actually take into consideration about the money they will make off you. 2009 Ok I understand everybody's concern in the welfare of other's safety.. Mike Brown . if you can see through the end it is hollow.Alberta. the cat is still worth something just not the full price. I can understand but just cutting the cats open and the shipping all the insides to someone who is more trained and
.. 2008 Cats are worth about $50-75 when the scrap prices are good. is there any companies who sell these system ? (the Metals recovering system . they have the best cat prices.not the bio diesel one ) ? Fahd Mellal . Canada December 31. in Monticello MN they have Integrated Recycling. will pay 50-75 dollars. Ontario. platinum.Ottawa..
If there is a way that I can do this please share.Round Rock. There was a lot of good info that was given and very helpful. rather. Texas
January 31. that someone seeking the "easy" (read that as idiot's) way to extract the precious metals is more than likely a thief. If you are a scrap dealer. Michael Manning . ask the scumbag thief if his/her life is worth getting caught. change your policies to force sellers of catcons to provide their photo ID. Food for thought: If you don't want to take the time to read these posts or want to learn then your setting yourself up for failure. In Seattle alone its a huge business stealing cats and from the looks of it its spreading all over the US. 2009 Hello all. I ran across this after the catcon was stolen from under my 4Runner whilst at the grocery store. Mine was stolen yesterday while it was parked outside my apartment. Good luck
. 2009 I spent the time reading through every post that was made. But from what I have noticed is 75% of the people that were asking about which ones were worth more or demanding to know how to refine/extract the rare minerals out are the thieves. Do not ask me if the catcon is worth someone's life. Thank You BRAD Bradley Kemp . make and model of their vehicle.Pittsburgh. Just remember. and possibly take a photo of the seller to insure that they can be reached if it turns out they have been buying and selling stolen parts.experienced with the right resources in this type of field sounds like a good idea to me. I am just curious to see what type of money can really be made I am never shy of a new business venture. as well as license plate number. This is becoming an epidemic. BTW. and I have heard of someone who has been hit 3 times. The thieves have been stealing from hard working people who may not really to be able to afford replacement parts. and I know of many people in my area who will be protecting their vehicles with a shotgun. Pennsylvania January 17. it is now legal in Texas to kill someone who is stealing from you.
So as this trend of catalytic converter theft continues to spread. He noted that on some new models the converter can be removed with wrenches . we wouldn't print their inquiries :-) I reported earlier that my son. First. There is so much confusion and disinformation in this thread I just had to say something. You can Google books on inorganic chemistry and just download
. Sorry that you were a victim of this theft. I'm not going to use Ted's site to promote another. Regards. 2009 Hi. They just do as they saw their boss do. note that knowledge is power. 2009 Okay. I am not going to tell you how to refine the Platinum Group Metals (PGMs) either. in time and research and experimentation and labor. The only way a small minority refiner can compete with larger more well heeled refiners is to have figured out a way to do the job smarter and cheaper. a local cop. Once I tell the world that.E. Most people refining these metals don't have a clue as to the chemistry involved. there is a gold refining website I saw that tells you a lot more than I would have. and get the same results. We'll let specialty sites that carry more detail guide the readers on which converters are more valuable. That being said. because "better" can be code for "easier to steal". and welding smoke to attract attention. hadn't encountered catalytic converter theft -. P. I suggest learning chemistry well enough to know what is happening. New Jersey
February 5. I can't take it anymore. Google it.
Ted Mooney. Second. Giving the fruits of that labor for free assigns no value to my work. The bottom line is: There is no great mystery to metals refining and it is not hard. Also. we are editing postings that claim that particular converters are 'better' to get hold of than others.David Fiiola .com Brick. and that has made them targets (because thieves can rob them en masse from a car dealership with less noise. I put myself out of business. If we knew which posters (if any) were thieves.Seattle Washington February 2.but that has changed. finishing. David. Why? Because I paid for my education. light.no saw or torch.
. without heat (or w/ slight solar) in plastic buckets and barrels. However this is a teaser. but not all contained. .
April 30. there is no simpler. you NEVER need to use Cyanides or hydrofluoric acid. 2008 I too used to think like most of you until I talked to a gentleman who owns a bronze sculpture foundry. step by step method of doing this. treat with Ammonium chloride. I am also going to suggest that all of you get rich quick guys. I don't plan on giving you a guide to how I make my living. you can refine it at room temperature.
This actually will get you some PGMs. The base metals also have value and will help you stay profitable. There are safer substitutes. There are other oxidizers. just a process someone tried to adapt to PGMs. So. HNO3). I in turn found out the secret.
+++++++ The process to do so is known as carbochlorination and the simplified textbook definition of the process is as follows: . you would need a much more aggressive flux and the metals won't drop anyway. wash with HCl. You should have the same level of knowledge and training needed for those. A Crucible and crucible furnace is all you need along with some borax and silica sand. and then you have almost pure platinum and palladium. strain the resulting solution and dispose of the ceramic. dry and heat to 500 C to remove impurities.
++++++ Recovery is dangerous and shouldn't be attempted by an untrained individual though. or for Cat Con substrate. evaporate. Why reinvent the wheel? Forget this manner completely. from this point on I am going to go over these posts from the start and add input. drop Cat Converters and concentrate on electronic scrap and low grade plated stuff. You can get it easily and cheaply (free for electronics in most municipalities). (And the term reflux might confuse many). in the library more than 30 years ago and use a search engine to find the modern terms for the archaic ones he uses (Although we still use "aqua regia").. safely if you build your own scrubbers. For that matter.
April 24.. As an aside. it isn't even a process for PGMs. This is not the ordinary way to do it.If you can't understand that then you're out of luck. as I did.
It's no more dangerous than plating or finishing.
Wha??? I don't know where to start on this one.. 2008 Reflux the honeycomb in aqua regia (HCl.. it is someone trying to find a new more complicated way to do it. with cheap readily available chemicals...
This is nonsense. Why would you use silica sand to flux an aluminosilicate? With the low temp of a bronze furnace. BTW the metals from fire refining will be nowhere near pure. but I do want to help stop people from doing "stupid human tricks" in the mistaken belief they are learning something. There are many available online from the 1800s and early 1900s. The best you will get is micro-beads embedded in flux. You also don't have to use Nitric acid.and read them. Or read De Re Metallica. There are a few more needed steps you are not told
People. Melt ceramic in a ceramic pot? How about melting ice in a block of ice? Chemically pure nitric acid? What is that? Water makes the acid work? Trust me. 2008 Carry out a large scale fire assay approach and add litharge to the flux mix
This melt will take hours to drop the metals. dental lab. However keep in mind that it can be extremely dangerous if you are not constantly paying attention. still be selling to a refiner.after you dissolve the platinum you can recover it by filtering out the acid through a coffee filter. platinum and palladium and saved a filtrate of silver chloride (and maybe some mercury and lead chloride).
.. Borax. You will not get pure precious metals with fire refining. 2008 And by the way if your still wanting to try it all your selves. You just told everyone to mix an acid with itself to extract. 2008 . but simply highly purified metals. 2008 I am going to explain the easiest way to do this.
I agree: you're no rocket scientist.. and Sodium Nitrate to remove the impurities from the gold. In most of these posts no one has examined the question of what to do with it once you have refined it.I was thinking of using an electric kiln capable of 2300 F. depending on how you used your nitric. In a really bizarre case. in the end.use a combination of these five chemicals Manganese Dioxide. Chuck?
Chuck's method as listed is claptrap. In a jewelry melt it will not separate the silver or palladium. muriatic acid so you can mix them in the right amounts to make the acid that is needed to extract the metals.. fluoride. Could you use these same chemicals when melting jewelry? This is for fire refining. .. won't be pure enough for a plater) you will..
July 4. Unless you have an end user (caster. ..
July 22. Fumes and smoke... 2008 Perhaps the key to it is the flux's that Chuck uses! Any comments.
June 13.. you might also have saved tin on the filter. He will take his cut. But he points you in the right direction. 2008 . Period. Chuck was the smartest and closest poster yet. along with a graphite crucible
The crucible will not last long with those oxidizing fluxes and you will need an awful lot of flux. you dumped the gold. If so. Therefore your goal is not to produce absolutely pure metals.Where do you sell your gold when your done? Ah.
July 14. Silica flour. there's the rub.. The reason you refine your metals is to separate them so you can't be beaten in an assay or weighing.where is this guy? The EPA will lock your ass up.
August 8. Electric kilns are not a good idea. commercial (technical) nitric will work very vigorously without adding water. gold appears as a white powder on the filter
Hope you didn't dump all that funny yellow green colored solution after you kept your "white powder on the filter". then you will need hydrochloric acid.. let's all just assume this guy is joking.. The lead fumes will get you an EPA summons.
and a set of test needles. The metals in the exhaust are from your engine parts wearing and oxidizing and blowing past the rings via the oil... 2008 I need to find the device that is used to identify which precious metal I have acquired. NO ONE inquiring should ever touch cyanide. a test stone.
This sounds like an Eco Urban Myth to me. silver. Some precious metals are obvious but. If you dissolve the lead and palladium.
Get a test kit from a jewelers supply company. Gary Wilson . are found in these fuels.
November 21. as far as efficiencies and techniques.. 2008 The real reason. check this website for posts on testing the various metals. Examining the slag under a microscope. though. I received a lot of enjoyment in refining by making little discoveries no one else had. 1 bottle of nitric. and zinc are hard for me to identify unless I already know what it is. I also found the chemistry itself to be fascinating. Or get the test stone and the empty bottles and make your own.
Wrong. Good luck guys. and during the sulfuric acid treatment of the petroleum. 2008 All must be MELTED (smelted)to a liquid or semi-liquid state in order to separate it from all other metals/minerals/waste. palladium. The slag will be loaded with lead and illegal to dump except as a hazardous waste.Mount Vernon.You will spend more money on fuel and litharge than you will make in PGMs. you will learn that gold. that I am responding is if you check up about gas and other such fossil fuel emissions. that was quite an exposition! Regards. Nothing NEEDS to be melted until you are ready to make it into a bar. you will still see metal beads that didn't drop. platinum. 1 bottle of nitric plus table salt. etc. what do you do to recover the palladium?
August 22. aluminum. For the other metals. Hydro-metallurgy is.. The metals in the fuels would be captured in the asphalt tailings left from distillation. 2008 in this process we load pacol catalyst about 15 KG then add sodium cyanide
From what I have seen from the posts here. Do your research first. Gary. set up safely. platinum. Pyro-metallurgy is not the way for the small operator to go.
October 27. New York February 12. 2009 Thanks. and have fun on your projects.
California March 27. I am not stupid nor a scientist. This generally means getting a representative sample of your batch assayed. one of which I will expand on: how to sell the metal once it's purified. I think if I cut the cats. I will get more for my time and less potential lose to my health.e. If your metal does not meet the grade. who's going to buy it? Most of
.g. I have also tried to smelt the gold from my cons using a furnace and flux. and your assay cost per kilo drops. The chemical process seems to be the best. Gary Wilson has made some excellent points. I am going back to primitive for gold recovery and will let the professionals do their thing with the platinum.Medford.E. separate the honeycomb. Right? Hello. 2009 i smelted my catalytic converter with a torch and got a silver metal of about the size of 4 quarters i was wondering what type of metal it is thanks yev yevgeniy ganchenko hobbyist. I have played with acids (hydrofluoric) and others and created more problems than I started with in the "simple" recovery of gold from rock. . but with my limited desire to play with extremely or mildly dangerous chemicals and also stay alive I will skip this. Here is where economies of scale come in. Good luck to any one who wants to do this in their garage. The more valuable a metal is. make your batch really big. finishing. But. again more problems. with larger batches comes larger setup and equipment costs. New Jersey
February 12. P. Typically the prices that you find online for semi-precious and precious metals are for a specific grade . the more your potential buyer is going to expect you to prove the purity. or 99. Going to an assay lab to get a single sample assayed is not cheap. and so on. Now even if you've spent the money to get your Pt assayed.com Brick. Oregon March 4. Scott Myers . resulting in a certificate of analysis. you will NOT get anywhere near top dollar. 2009 EASY MONEY. 2009 The company I work for refines semi-precious metals to semiconductor grade (7 nines).Sacramento. 4 nines purity.99% pure. increased hazard and risk. and will cut into your profits significantly.Ted Mooney. The methods that Chuck suggested in heating will probably work if you have a better understanding of this process than I do. I appreciate the knowledge of others who are looking to recover platinum from cats.
.hopefully I'll find an equally entertaining thread to read! Al E . Ted.you're just not listening. I too am interested in refining Plat.you think a complex process such as Pt-extraction. my all-time favorite is letter -. It would seem the obvious and safest way would be to salvage the converters and store the guts of them into a drum for resale at a later date. would be to follow the advice of Dale R.com) if so what were you results? Thanks Glenn Glenn Burry . does anybody have any experience with the iShor system. I have read through this entire thread as some others have.you don't know the difference between a gram and an ounce. ( www. easier. After reading this entire thread.shorinternational. In fact they're trying to tell you what you NEED to hear .Glovertown NL Canada April 4.Ted
March 30. 2009
. By the way. you won't likely get top dollar. Concentrate the Pt. 2009 Hi Ted.you think there's some sort of conspiracy afoot simply because no one is telling you what you WANT to hear. . It's cleaner. note: if you're looking for entertainment in the dialogs. Canada
---Ed.you don't know what a fume hood is. The easiest money. . or brain surgery can be explained in a simplistic step-by-step fashion via a blog. .you've never heard of PPE. Yes. but leave the refining for someone else. but if you don't have access to the customers who can and will pay top dollar. My question is. you will be able to sell your metal to someone out there. I plan to return . and won't cost yours or your family's health.British Columbia. in my opinion.you have to be a qualified supplier or have a quality management system in place (in other words ISO certification).the companies we deal with cannot buy from just anyone . Al. my advice to some of you is that you shouldn't bother trying to extract the Pt yourself if: . for the informative site.you don't know the difference between HCl and muriatic acid. has anyone tried to zone refine Pt? Thanks. .
and said that he was driving over to his dealer. One customer had a 135 grams between a bracelet and a watch. I was hooked. junk. sometimes on the PCBs. the old man said no. and it's heavier than Pt!!! :) Of course I then ended up at "retrieving gold from computer parts". to sell at 90% of spot. etc. rejected some. and wireless printer from me last week for his new location. I read about alchemy. 486s are good. bullion. etc. etc. and they shook hands with an air of respect. if there were other items in the weight (stones. That lead me to extraction. to aqua regia. or spread the word to others. in the processors. a router. From breaking up the parts first. based on 55% to 70% of spot. kept others. That's the business. Pentiums not so much. car. based on karats of course. He sold the gold. repeatedly. from buy amounts based on spot. The old man made an offer. up until this moment. but a necessity for something else. Judging by the equipment. I even spent a good ten minutes a good ten minutes on Tantalum. from bullion and bars to coins and jewelry. to other acids. He used a calculator to reduce the weights to actual gold content. it seemed as though he is no longer working out of a necessity for money. to what might be in Grandma's drawer. because she had a sick child with her. the discovery of Pt. He said those types of things come back to you. to grams to ounces. I left with him at the end of the day. deny it. or they might haggle for a few minutes. upped it by $100 once. or other factors. glued to the laptop. to filters. I installed the equipment. from refiners to traders to storage facilities. to the
. I must admit. computers being my own acquired skill. had trouble moving. whether the customer might come back. ambiance. potentially wasting a beautiful Saturday afternoon. from contracts to futures. watches. from Karat percentages. While there. coins. he had the gold packed up. (He paid one woman more than 70%. to Monex. and help him set up a simple Excel spreadsheet for the weight/karat/price calculations. He was an old man. price of gold.). I have spent the last five hours of my life. he once used a very expensive looking specific gravity machine because he wasn't sure about a piece. I witnessed at least six transactions with actual customers. While working this morning I constantly got sidetracked searching for gold ounce. depending on quality. That simple. I was interested. etc. the gold is in the contacts. he stone tested it with acids.) The customer would either accept the price.This has been fascinating! I work on computer systems for small offices. From eBay. then told the man that if he left the offer would be void. to Kitco. then he quoted a price. On Friday. because of low corrosion. At that point. He weighed the material (necklaces. from Platinum to Gold to Silver to Rhodium to Palladium. The seller sat in a chair for a full 30 minutes! He made a few calls on his cell. With no malice at all. to flame assay. sell amounts based over spot. A "gold buyer" bought two laptops. He literally begged to be able to leave and check a few places. Did you prospectors know this is used in cell phone capacitors. a watch movement).
industry articles. based on sales and networking. I started to feel bad. 60s. With hopeful eyes he asked "How can I make a game like Warcraft?" He looks up to me as knowledgeable. Some people have taken the time to acquire them. You can't ask the questions: How do I trade futures? How do I open a bank? How do I transplant a heart? How do I program a computer? etc. Foreign. And I never post. People whose work is repetitive. reports of thefts. Which. Eventually. But still. Did you know that the Nobel peace prizes for two Danes were dissolved in Aqua Regia. What? Catalytic Converters? This of course led me to junkyards. and. The alchemists were great. (spring break. others have not. recast. then extracted. so the Nazis wouldn't steal them. Not ever in recent memory. a few weeks ago. they were getting more insightful. I came across cats. was the surprise of the day. pre-cors also have value. automotive sites. I love Ted's well mannered and well thought out mediations. or just have. That's how I found this site in my searches. The barrage of questions never ended. They were stored on a shelf for ten years. who is the son of one of my clients. I was asked the last question several months ago by a young 14 year old boy. even amongst all this great information.philosopher's stone. I would see this young man every couple of weeks. Then to American. To quote another poster "quite an unusual an interesting corner of the internet". I found myself at the client's office at 3 pm on a Saturday. understand this. but not as good after that. and my work was done. multiple skill sets required. and presented again after WWII. after markets no good. to his credit. it might never end. 70s. The son was there. He reminded me of myself when I was his age. even 90s are good. I attempted to talk about languages. he loves computers like me. is an understood human condition. Acquired skill sets are a unique tool. based on brute force or labor. Somewhere in the mix of gold extraction. I have never spent this much time reading a forum. I figured if I opened this can of worms. He had his home computer hooked up. acquired skill sets. or based prior family success just don't seem understand this. based on a limited skill set.
. graphic and sound files. People who earn. he couldn't sit at a computer and even start. but I didn't have the time to teach. The basic frustration of not JUST BEING TOLD HOW. I was speechless.
I would venture outside and try to extract from a core. In the meantime. that when pushed prints "Hello World!". This would be at the end of what would have become an
. After three to six months. is to buy them right. I'd probably be able to extract a small globule. I'd rather spend a couple weekends learning. The Pt is the reward. it is the enticement of reward. contact a refiner. I taught. do some more searches. that was played when the bullet fired. a couple higher grade saw blades. 1 to 3 weekends a month. is far more valuable. pick up an old kitchen hood for sure. maybe a good vise. read some more. that is often considered the ceremonial start of every programmer's career. a few scrapes on my knuckles and forearms. Even the academic license is over $300. Guys and Gals. socializing. whether you actually end up with enough to be profitable is almost moot. if only you were local. contributing. There was a small laser sound that the kid made into the microphone below the monitor. I imagine I can figure this out with experimentation. that gives the human motivation to develop skill. His father said he hasn't left the computer since! I'm sure we'll have another session. end up with something I don't know what to do with. and maybe finishing up with beers and pizzas. He did it all. strip the core yourself (I am a fairly well acquainted with light contracting and auto repair. moving around the screen at the command of the arrow keys. and a small bullet that fired when the space bar was pushed. After reading for a couple of weekends. acids. As with my friend above. watching. etc. I started him off with a one-button form. Three hours later he had a still picture of a little man. filters. but a small price to pay when put in perspective. and set up a table in the driveway. you should have seen the look on this kid's face.). I might spend a couple hundred on buckets. and collect the honeycomb/beads. The only casualty is that Dad will probably have to buy the full version of Visual Studio.and he had to go into the office with his dad everyday. The skill acquired if actually successful. and the true point of the journey. so I sat down. My conclusion from today is that the best method of profiting from cats. I don't necessarily want you to tell. It felt great. We downloaded Paint Shop Pro. Goldwave (for sound). etc. I just might buy a couple books on hydro-metallugry. upset the girlfriend. I never touched the keyboard. Just keep them for a minute. real estate is tough right now). For those that aren't acquainted. I would then humble myself. and trailed off the screen. and I can't wait to see what he's come up with. I had some time. and a trial copy of Visual Studio. To those of you here that have such skills. If you've got a hundred or so. I would fail miserably. It's like a small bank account. of less than 1 gram of Pt. maybe make a few posts. This is not a discipline that will net you profit in the short term. recorded with Goldwave and incorporated into Visual Studio. That is the most profitable position in the supply chain that you can put yourself in with the lowest risk and knowledge. bowls. from the last position of the image.
it's just that it doesn't work that way. time and materials. By being patient. acquired skill. In the end. attentive. It has to be acquired. At that point. I will have acquired some very valuable. you have to put in the time. and people! I know small office computers. read more.. etc. combs. Ted.Louisville. it won't be as much fun. and acquiring skill over time. programming. The old man knows gold and jewelry. Some of the people on this forum know metallurgy. deliberate. and EXPERIENCE. and networking. the man will make himself wealthy.EUREKA!!!! It would feel great! I'd be damn proud of my little gram of Pt! I'd step up my efforts. and patient men. try more variations. SKILL. 2 Lexus LS400). S. six to nine months total. It would be able to consistently extract metal from beads. We only have time for so many. I have attempted to address a theme that is central to this thread. and is there a typical amount expected (1 Honda. I would be able to justify the labor and materials required for the profit. but I really hope you include this. Kentucky April 6. unless I chose this as a new.. time-consuming process. to train the mind.. the difference wouldn't justify the TOTAL labor. It's not that people don't want to tell you. Ross Lerner . I think I'll find that if I just sold my cores I would have made enough money. permanent endeavor. and very satisfying KNOWLEDGE. California
. I would have a reasonable set of beginner hydro-metallurgy skills. That's how acquired skill works. "Give me a chopper pilot program Tank!" But trust me.. just to use it in a weekend to make a buck. 2009 I have honeycomb material from several used converters. gold filled jewelry. I hope I have accomplished my goal.eight to fifteen step tedious. the amount recovered might justify my streamlined process. It is quite the reverse. gold plated jewelry. over time. No matter what. There is just as much joy in And more importantly. I'd spend even more time on this. hard workers. Where can I have it sent for processing. the learning tempers the spirit. After another three to six months. You can't cheapen the knowledge acquired by great scientists. But. and creates responsibility. But.San Jose. Perhaps one day the Matrix programming disks will be available. (or woman) PLENTY of wonderful women in science. computer boards. I know you have a position against ad hominem posts. Jason Jegge buyer .
Barranquilla. 2009 Hello and here's my 2 cents (which if smelted or melted or schmelted is not as much as two cents from a century ago but I digress) . If you have a yard with a tree cast a rope around a heavy branch and tie up the cat. granulate the new alloy.newton North Carolina May 13. 2009 Hi. I see it basically at present like this: if looking in the long term no ones goals really contradict unless they are destructive what I mean is that if you are a small business person (who I admire) you might want to have your work trademarked. dissolve with sulfuric acid and the precious metals will be left behind. you should smelt the whole "catcon" in an electric arc-furnace with scrap steel. 2009 I have found the perfect. Atlantico. look pretty thoroughly I eventually found a site that says one probably could sell the cc if replacing so then I decided to look up selling cc and found this. reasonably cheap means to extract the Precious Metals from the Cat. If they are disappointed that there was no candy tell then the next Cat you are going to hang has the candy. patented or copyrighted etc for a time being to enjoy the fruits of your labor and
. Virginia May 5. Best to all Bob Bayle government . Provide each kid with a steel bar and have them take turns beating on the cat. but also and just as important is the freedom of information point I'd like to share. Colombia April 30. which after page one I was hoping the pages wouldn't go too fast but now I have to get back to my original task of troubleshooting my car but have been sucked into this post this is to me a microcosm of everything people have been discussing since Plato and beyond. Get the neighborhood kids over to the house and tell them the cat is a pinada. to have your own arc-furnace? Can this be done in your backyard? Thank you. Alonso Borrero hobbyist . After many months of experimenting with acids I have finally recovered some gold from electronic scrap.I was actually looking up information for symptoms of a clogged catalytic converter (cc) & since I usu.Springfield. I wonder how expensive will it be. Will it be possible to recover pgm's from catalytic converters? I've read that. After reading this though I have a real practical question. Once the cat has been ruptured tell them to pick up all the metal that falls out and place in the bucket for recovery. 2009 i have read all of the forums but I have yet to understand where do you sell them !!!! i live in NC and i am still trying to understand who do i sell to a refinery or a recycler. maybe I've been breathing too many cc fumes but it is close and has a lot of the elements.April 18. Repeat these steps until all precious metals have been retrieved. thanks bec becky wilhelm car business .
converters have came up in conversation.and a lot of people have shared a lot of information. If you have ever seen this mans garage. and the money they make is also going to the benefit of the economy and who knows potentially but it does require the teacher to be an anode to the cathode but they wouldn't mind so much if they also got to learn from others that made their steps easier and like I said it in the long run I think is always better. and he claims that for the trouble it is worth. just look at the examples of software and computer viruses etc open source is a good thing and hiding information is actually more destructive and is only a mirage of safety which is actually more destructive..it would be basic 6th grade or 3rd grade science and we'd probably be exploring for platinum on other star systems because if the new learner always got to learn from all the mistakes from the teacher (I'll say) then their time could be cut and they would have new mistakes not yet made to learn from and so on. I must add. have been a little knowledge hungry and may bite the hand that feeds however most are not. well they might be the ones who might be more interested so they would know they might be more of a victim Taking that post down I think is just conceding to that fear in the back of our minds of trying to please everybody . and tools used for separating metals. in their own way and it is informative I mean I don't expect anyone to actually hand me a free cc now. Florida July 10. it's laid out pretty straightforward here.lead by example like Ted . There is a not so intelligent person who works with said family member who has been able to refine and extract such metals.. it looks like a ghetto factory.I understand that. 2009 My brother-in-law works in such a refinery. and another example goes to taking off the posts which displayed what cars have better value for their cc so they are not as much of victims. Thomas Key . but you go into buying some of the materials. also I may be a good golfer and share secrets but you'll still never get it till you practice anyways so I would really have no fear in sharing those but I guess we can all agree to disagree and any experience with HHO gas torches to extract metals. Ted you are doing a good job and I also have enjoyed your thoughtful approach. Most people would not know it.we have to expose the weaknesses so we can brainstorm not hide them.full free information always (in the long term maybe not the short) has unanimous good results and do not contradict each other that is why a country like the USA has prospered and why secretive ones stay stagnant and dark but I am looking at things in decades not days . you would know it if you seen it. Think of it this
.000 degrees and more. Some . chemically or by heat you are looking into getting into a lot of money. also the other side of the coin (I did say my two cents lol) if people from a young age and all through history shared information and it was accessible to everyone we may not even be having this discussion . what are you going to do . All that said I do understand the market and patents etc so it is up to the individual of course and information cannot be forced to be shared and people should have incentive however we all could be driving hydro cars and be energy independent and have other newer and unknown issues yet to be discovered if we were more long term seers. and I have to hand it to you guys. Anyway. From what I've read I think that using a HHO gas torch may be a good way to get those high temperatures in a safe way what does anyone think? You can look up easily HHO torches they get really hot and cool really fast and they are real just like oxy or butane the flame itself is only 259 F but when in contact with other metals can get up to 10.Sarasota. unless you have the equipment to do around 1200 converters at one time it is not worth it.not a lot.
2009 There used to be instructions online spanning over several pages on how to synthesize illicit drugs. Joel Langford . So far on this whole thread I think I have only seen about 3 people that remotely know what they are talking about. the other weekend you will be preparing and organizing the equipment and the most difficult part will be to actually obtain the chemicals. no qualification.
. and I know a clown walking across a yard with a stick swearing there is water under a patch of dry sand when I see one. then be our guest you already have enough money to not really need to extract the precious metals. not to mention that you have to have a safe place to set up said refinery. Please use your head for something more then a hat rack people. And I am sure you 3 know who you are. The trouble that our friend had was that there is no one who is respectively going to buy said metals from a person. the correct value of what they have. If it was so cost effective to do it in such small amounts. who not only does not know what they have. The weekend after that you will most likely end up with your substance in pure form. anyone could do it with enough effort. at this point your just wanting a grown child's chem lab in your back yard. We joked about it at his house over a few " select beverages ". Please for your safety and the those around you. Don't seem to much harder then flipping a burger.. you can see them especially good at night. we will say 15. some of this stuff can get dangerous.. your going to have even more tied up into it it when someone finds out what your doing because of the danger that your putting other stuff in. LSD. DO NOT try using chemicals that you don't understand. If smelting in a pot would separate the metals..Fayetteville. amphetamines. Next thing I know I am going to see one of the names from this thread swearing they can make sticks of TNT from a candle and gunpowder with chewing gum. especially with no knowledge. and it seems like everyone that was there at the time came to the same conclusion. right? I am now moving on to find the Candlestick TNT blog I was speaking of earlier. I am only a 29 year old Well Driller. but also would not be a constant resource for them to rely on for buying said materials. possibly even everyone around you. if you really think you have all of the money to get into something like this from a dead start. and techniques used to extract said metals would not really be cost effective unless you had a bunch of them to do at one time ( kind of hints to why they have giant refinery places to do such things ). You spent one weekend looking up the terms and chemicals and understanding the process. maybe around 1.1500 degrees would not just turn these metals directly to liquid? These are not lead fishing weights people.. MDMA. Around my area everyone swears to the idea that you can use a smelting pot to separate the metals in a converter... Not all metals work that way. ever seen a clogged converter? They get red hot under a car. etc.000 dollars for the basic materials and equipment..way. These were step by step instructions and I guess that the chemistry and knowledge involved is way more complicated than purifying metals out of catalysts. it would seem that every town would have 15 or so of the places.000 payout for your customers that you will be having to buy said converters from. No knowledge required. do you really think that exhaust at like 900 . North Carolina July 13.
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.. a straight and simple instruction would devalue the skills and knowledge required to write it.Talbott.The problem will never be to actually do it. Ross Lerner's wonderful contribution. and am only now venturing into the new world of three-dimensional earthen-ware art. with the right combination of chemicals and temperature the pgms get get pulled out onto carbon plates. please take an advertisement . 2009 I was going to ask a simple question about the CONTENT of precious metals in "cats". . Tennessee July 13.Earlham.. It will be an interesting experiment. 2009 I have a machine that extracts the pgm's from catalytic converters and it is not the easiest to do It takes a lot of time a nice facility to work in but if you seen the machine you would laugh and call me a liar. My hammer.Murfreesboro. Dustin B . Other than taking a tweezer to it is there any other way to separate it? Terrance Miller . really. kiln and iron pot shall suffice. As said before.. the site's supporting advertisers must be running out of patience being asked to pay the costs of posting other people's ads :-) July 16. Andreas Borchert . 2009 I put a hole in a catalytic converter I found while picking up trash(honestly). that first sculpture. but how to get there. I simply want to thank you for your patience and learned knowledge.. its just PVC tubs and clear 3/4 inch hose with a battery charger [link is to product info at Amazon] and a small pump. grinder. Germany July 13. and S.). and whether or not it would be possible to render the ceramics containing these metals into a powder form to use as a mix in a firing glaze for pottery.. The honeycomb had to be cracked to come out but it came out with the platinum flakes. . every word. I have ground my own pigments for my paints for forty years... please tell us what the right temperature and combination of chemicals is. If you are trying to sell this knowledge. It's somewhat a pity. Iowa ---Ed. when I could. note: If you do not consider it secret knowledge. My only problem is a lot of the honeycomb broke in pieces as fine as the platinum flakes. Dustin. But after reading the entire post (yes.
California July 30. I was also looking into the possibility of making my own chemicals when reaching a large scale operation. 2009 This is what I would do.Bloomington. 2009 Ordering the chemicals is not so difficult. Castor Marconi . This is theoretical though. then I would pulverize
. God bless. or do you just melt it down? What seems best? February 5. I forget)... If in case the platinum is infused or trapped in the other materials of the cat.Red Bluff.July 28. Hydro-metallurgy is". gold and platinum can be dissolved in aqua regia. Are there any other solvents able to dissolve these noble metals? Also. HCl is relatively easy to make by electrolysis of Salt water. New York August 3. 2009--"Pyro-metallurgy is not the way for the small operator to go. I checked Wikipedia and it's a 3 step process.New York. I would put it in a furnace for melting metals and I would leave it in there until all the platinum has melted off and dripped into a place where it could collect. Eljon Ago hobbyist . My question is: How is the price of converters defined? I would appreciate any help. HNO3 is harder to manufacture though. 2009 I'm interested in recycling catalytic converters. 2009 So. Indiana August 14. Just collect Cl gas at one end and H gas at the other (cathode or anode. Steven Smith . what is the process of extracting platinum from catalytic converters that have been discussed thus far. I received a follow-up phone call and I just told them that I was using the chemicals to extract platinum from catalytic converters. Do you oxidize and dissolve the metal and then reduce it somehow and collect it that way. Makes sense!!! Hey what are the other safer oxidizing agents you are talking about.I am kind of stuck because i am not sure what price is good for each catalytic converter. Those 3 should cover the aqua regia. mix with a small amount of water (in a glass container of course) and you should get it at the 37% concentration.
Now look at rhodium that melts at 3567 F and Platinum somewhere around 3215 F. Just heat will not suffice for the separation of materials.Sac. ZenTed as I will call him! I have never been so deeply engrossed with a forum in the 12 years I have been with internet! I gave up metals in the 1980s to follow my other preoccupation of music composition. Now a new truck sells for around $35. i must say that some people just lack common sense. Simple. and only recently have started looking at metal prices again. Over time the metals do come out of the exhaust and onto the road. It all gets melted.. UK September 15. The amount of
. aftermarket converters are not regulated.. Maybe you might have to comply to laws about not releasing fumes into the atmosphere or something.000+ so at that price a manufacturer can afford to spend a little money to manufacture a cat that will last and be efficient.Hastings.. Bretto from the Ghetto. Top marks to Ted for keeping this forum on a level footing. When a car is sold new it must pass omission regulations set by the government. happy reclamations xxx Brett Ross . 2009 I was in scrap metal recycling/reclamation years ago as a family business in the UK and cats were not around then but I know from experience how costly it is to extract these metals. As Ted stated a few months back. right? Find out if there are any laws to abide by in melting it. I feel there a few people here that lack the understanding of how a cat works and why. These catalytic converters contain little to no precious metals.6 L and the cat will need to refine the exhausted fumes in larger portion. I would guess people on here want a list of vehicles so they can go out tonight with a hack saw. 2009 After reading some of the responses on the site. Ray Soriano . its AFTERMARKET.. Now for the scrap value. and listen to Ted..the material first to allow the platinum to melt freely into a high heat resistant container. I think it highly unlikely that a torch would melt any of these materials. Cats do contain a few precious metals as we have learned here. California September 3. a large US made truck with a 6L engine will emit more o2 into the atmosphere than a small Honda with a 1. All you guys just take a tip from me. I think that it doesn't take any more than a little commons sense to get the platinum. Now lets look at the vehicle. why can we buy a cat for $60 when they are worth more.. The value is determined by how much the cat would usually contain. Steel and ceramic have a much lower melting point. figure that out then ask the questions.
think of the effort involved! Have you ever tried to crawl under a car with a hack saw and cut the 3" steel pipe? It doesn't take minutes. 1) Roast ground biscuit at 500 C in old kiln ($100 US . This isn't a lucrative business and more for the person who lives off $100 a week. Pt. Another thing to think about is now scrap dealers want a title to the vehicle it came off of and an ID before they will buy a converter.. the 2 oz cat would probably net you $800 at a scrap yard. Then you take your cats to a dealer and its quick cash. The older trucks did not have 02 sensors so the first thing a truck owner did for a modification was remove the cat that restricted airflow. Cats contain a FRACTION OF AN OUNCE of precious metals which lightly coats its ceramic contents (honeycomb or beads).Norfolk. Top dollar is around $100 . a sawzall will get it done quickly but is VERY noisy. Crawling under a vehicle. Oh and o2 sensors contain the precious metals as well!! But you need about 50 pounds of them to make a reasonable amount of money off of them. Before we all rush out and start hacking cats off our neighborhood cars.Use ceramic bakery bowl
.ebay) 2)1 part biscuit(wt) 1 part HNO3 (vol) 3 parts HCL (vol) 3)Room temp 3 to 7 days until max colour in AR and biscuit white. it is illegal to sell a used cat. 2009 Easy Peasy Tame Aqua regia extraction of PGM blacks (Pd. they are light weight and untraceable. The reason for the theft is because its a high and easy return and low risk. Everyone has to make a profit in the process so you will never get the $3600 out of it unless you have the pure metal in your hand. Rh) from catalytic converters.. Hope this helps to enlighten some of the "lets get rich quick" people on here and shows its not smart to try to steal them. I have an 02 Silverado and it has 2 cats rather than the 1 cat in older vehicles. Virginia September 19.$150. an AFTERMARKET cat will get you a whopping $2-$5!! Ford usually $40-$60 and Dodge around $30-$60. Nathan Bastings . It is also illegal to sell a vehicle without a cat and most of the time a dealer wont take a trade on one without it. scrap dealers and "car guys" have known cats are worth something so why is this so new to everyone else? And for the idiot on here that said he wanted to resell them. Why?? more power and better fuel economy (and it makes it louder too!). you can spend an hour under there without the risk of getting noticed. This means that my 2 cats contain less metals together than 1 of the older and larger ones. it takes a good half hour.precious metals is very little and whoever on here said there is as much as 2 oz of metal needs to show me those cats! at somewhere around $1800 an ounce scrap. The you will find that most of the older GM trucks have the cat removed already and a straight pipe in place. Its no secret that older GM cats (about the size of a muffler) can get you top dollar at a scrap dealer.
14)Transfer small beaker.5 US. I drill a dozen or so holes with a 12 mm x 400 mm masonry drill (made in China. Stir ceramic spoon.5 approx or until orange brown ppt dissolves leaving a black sediment. 6) Leave over night for sediment to settle 7) Decant into 20l plastic bucket. ebay refers to New Zealands Trademe which is virtually equivalent. many high mileage cats only contain a gram of PGM blacks. Huge volumes of very toxic gas are released which strip all leaves off nearby vegetation and will kill nearby caged animals. 13) Wash twice and decant with rain water. Continue to stir off & on for a further 30 min. Bob Keen . Best of luck to those that try this method. 10)Acidify to pH 1. 16) Find a precious metal dealer who will buy PGM blacks. Bob Keen Retired Principal Scientist(NZDRI) Palmerston Nth New Zealand. 11) Decant and transfer PGM blacks plus some Zn to 2 l beaker (ebay $10 US approx) 12)Add 1 liter 2N HCL. 15) A number of extraction can be carried out simultaneously.Leave overnight and a lot of excess Zn will dissolve.121 vol. I find the the PGM blacks can be more rapidly settled onto the bottom of
. you need to know your cats. I currently get paid $60 NZ after a $150 NZ analysis is carried out in Hong Kong. I decan cat cons within 10 min. It is not a rag to riches method of making money. Note 4.its like drilling into butter. It only takes 10 min to grind in my mortar & pestal. made in china. Note 6. stir until evolution of H2 ceases and then leave over night. Gold requires AR for dissolution but nanoparticles will dissolve in 2N HCL (Papers by Dr. Wash residue with more water & decant when clear into following batch. Cover glass plate.5 approx with soda ash (Na2CO3)( little pH meter off ebay $20 US) 9) Add Zinc Pdr ( from ebay). New Zealand
Addendum to Easy Peasy AR method PGM blacks are weakly paramagnetic. Note 5. Note 3. Stir 2X daily ceramic spoon (ebay $6 US) 4)Stir in urea to neutralize HNO3 (until fizzing stops) 5) Pour all in 20l tall narrow plastic pail & make up to 121 approx with rain water.dry in oven. Chris Anderson Massey University NZ) therefore it is not unreasonable to find that AR will dissolve the PGM nanoparticles in cat. Note 1.30 min.Mortar 13 inch dia pipe 12 inch high welded onto a square iron base.5 h. 3 rounded teaspoons (1 kg biscuit originally used)added slowly with stirring over 15 . from local hardware store $12 US for card of 3) . carefully pour off excess water.Pestal a 51/2 foot 1 inch dia iron rod welded to a 81/2 inch long 21/2 inch dia iron rod .Using a long stout screw driver & hammer as lever & chisel I can quickly break biscuit up and empty out the pieces.If a blockage I ram through the handle of my 19 lb pestal which clears the blockage instantly.wt 19 lb. 8)Neutralise to pH 2. Note 2. No fumes released. Step 3 can be carried out in a crock pot at simmer temp over 4 .local discount shop $2.Palmerston Nth. cons.
once i got through i found a strange honey comb and a paper like substance that was full of tiny pieces of platinum. and hook them up to a controller/battery/solar panel? I know there would still be chemicals. like • Control of electrolyte formulation and pH (a measure of acidity or alkalinity) • Control of electrical conditions • Control of temperature And a bunch of warnings like "don't drink the electrolyte".. Of course.all i did was use a saw to cut through the metal. Just my 4:01 AM thoughts after reading these 4 pages.. Or stay small.. medical (things). large ceramic magnet under the bottom of the holding vessel. even small (or large) pure Platinum cathodes... The how-to with photos and directions could be put into a PDF file. I've always wondered about this. 2009 Very interesting! Took a while to read. but it could be small scale and a small investment. 2009 is there a way i can "cook" the platinum out at home and how hot would the heat have to be.
September 24. would it be easier to dump the beads/flakes into a gallon glass jar of electrolyte.the plastic pails and beakers by placing a very strong.Oklahoma City. james carlon . uh.. At the risk of sounding stupid (and not wanting to start a new thread). I never bought it. Great site! "I'll be back".. Maybe a contribution. some knowledge. but I'm finally at the end.... diversify. the chance of blowing yourself up. it would have to have all the "secrets". I bought a very large ceramic magnet off ebay for $8..so i gathered all the material and got a 5 gal bucket and put a window screen over it and placed the material on the
. Oklahoma October 13. After some profit. jewelry.. and now it's hard to find. etc. airplane. and make more of a profit by producing electroplated auto.. and for some. a Copper anode (I guess).i extract the platinum for making jewelry. North Carolina September 27.00 US.hillsborough. and available to those who make a contribution to the site.. Steve Cerny . AND pass an IQ test. add a (small) pure Platinum cathode. fumes. There used to be a book from Lindsey's by Carr (I think). 2009 getting platinum is so easy.. "don't touch the electrode thingys to your tongue to see if the battery still has a charge"... new/better equipment the backyard scrap dealer could expand.
but the paper still held some moisture so i just set the bucket in the sun and let it dry it the rest of the way.. In those days they did not use any "beads".so once i turned the paper to ashes i simply used my breath to blow the ashes away.now i had a dry powder with the metal.but the only problem is that since i wanted to melt the platinum down for making jewelry i had to obviously melt it...but u can buy them for a couple hundred bucks or find someone who has one.leaving only tiny pieces of platinum left.so it takes about 3. So whatever stuff you found that was elsewhere but not in the
.... But in those days the ceramic honeycombs and only the honeycombs were dipped into the precious metal slurry.and discarded the honey comb.and used a garden hose to wash the paper and platinum off the honey comb... 2009 Hi.i collected it and used a torch to burn the paper away now I'm not sure what the paper is so i wore a mask to protect myself i suggest u do the same.kannapolis NC cabarrus county
October 27..i had to use a cutting or also known as a blow torch used for melting steel to do it.... Andrew...screen over the bucket. and spent a fair amount of time there.. 2009 hey guys u don't have 2 be a genius to get the platinum out of the catalytic converters i wanted my car loud so i decided 2 punch the ceramic honey comb out of the converter using a hammer and a flat blade screw driver go 2 town on it then i found the platinum in a cloth like material get rid of the honey comb no platinum in that keep the cloth i used a fly screen n a container using water i sifted it in a container like a gold panner would have fun any 1 can do i got heaps of platinum :) mark horizon ..and u cant just use a pencil torch to melt it... hi..not many people have a cutting torch in trier garage........000 degrees to melt..anyway I've done this process many times with success.now here is the hard part..once it did i just slowly poured the water out of the bucket but once the water level got too low that the metal and stuff wanted to pour out too all i did was take a cloth rag and used it to absorb the water.it took like 20 min to get all the water out. and I can't comment on whether the beads contain precious metals or not.. Andrew Gould . Many years ago (1981).. Mark..........then i let the water settle and allowed the sift to fall to the bottom. so I am unfamiliar with the beads I hear of today.but platinum has a high tolerance for heat.i don't know why people want to make it some big secret..mudgee Australia nsw
October 27.. I was involved in building the machinery for a catalytic convertor factory...
for very detailed info look up the (gold refiners forum) on line. what. I use air. Michael..Oops letting my opinions show. I've developed a safe device that will greatly concentrate any mineral matrix containing PGMS.. start collecting all items with pgms . North Carolina November 20... P... not bombs. New Jersey
November 11. iron.. I done some electronic scrap and there are some things you will need to be careful with.aurora Colorado
.. have a good day Michael kelly .com Brick. 2009 after a lot of reading in other places pt per cat runs about 1 to 5 grams each. just removing the case is concentrating the values (PGMS) You have removed about 5 to 10 lbs of Iron.E. today's prices. plastic.. if you mix the wrong 2 things you will get a high explosive that's unstable. you can then get a professional assay and try to sell to a mine or mill that is currently dealing with platinum. water and a few biodegradable chems and naturals. and will have to be able to measure your efforts and not just wonder if it's working or not. figure out how you're going to deal with fumes.. and from what I have seen here.
Ted Mooney. and can now sell your ceramic containing PGMS at a much higher price. ( no not telling) you're all here to learn about cats. finishing.honeycomb doesn't sound like the precious metals to me :-) Those 'heaps of platinum' may be piles of soot :-( Regards. a few of you might want to be very afraid of this stuff.. they have plenty of experts there that can help most of you do this as a hobby scale project. good luck BRYAN BRYAN SMITH .. waste and byproducts. 2009 is the platinum and palladium in the honeycomb or is it the dust and charcoal like substance that comes out of convertor when you extract inside contents of the convertor thanks a lot. like copper. (its not any harder than making a gas oil mix for the chainsaw. that's 40 to 200 $ in platinum alone at full value.sneads ferry. My advice to every one is read every thing. not good enough for you. there are dangers with this. do the research. want to go farther? with each step of the process you are concentrating. the rest of you .) .
which caused so much smoke all we could do was run. So what do I do? I can sell my coats for $50 and take a portion of his sales or undercut his price and sell more but make less profit.All Asians. my friend went to the hospital and had to have stitches.Anaheim. we shouldn't have ever done this kind of thing. I'm not going to write the rest of the process nor will anyone who knows how to do it and I'll tell you why. the garage set on fire. GM. Do not crush the comb up just chunk it into inch or so pieces. which burned through.The ball assay will tell you how much pgm to expect per pound of comb. we brought a hose in and sprayed. and euro(except VW) have hi pgm content. the next step is to remove as much carbon as possible from the material by heating to RED hot then blowing oxygen on the material before it cools. You are now ready to do an assay on the material to get an idea as to how much pgm you can expect from your batch (30 cats is a pretty good batch) To do a ball assay you need a small furnace some crucibles etc. josh slocomb .November 28. try not to get any metal filings into the comb material. Aftermarkets are junk. little drops of fire went all over the garage and my friend caught one on the side of his face. Tom Jamison . and he has a scar on his face now. 2009 The first step in the process is to remove the comb. California November 28. Lets say I'm in the coat business and I get a wicked buy on coats at $10 per. New Mexico
. 2009 well me and my friends went out and got some Cats. And the undercutting goes on and on until there's no profit left. We then tried to extract the metals by using the crucible method that was written on here. don't even try them.deming. it started smoking very quick and then popped really loudly.MONROE LOUISIANA December 2. You NEED to do the assay or you will not have any idea when to stop the extraction process. 2009 TO BREAK DOWN A CATALYTIC CONVERTOR YOU FIRST TAKE THE COMBING AND BREAK IT DOWN IN SULFURIC ACID THE PLATINUM WILL SETTLE TO THE BOTTOM SHAKE A FEW TIMES WHEN DISSOLVED AND LET SETTLE THEN YOU HEAT THEN A MIXTURE OF MURIATIC ACID AND HYDROCHLORIC ACID MIXED TO EAT THE BASE METALS AND LEAVE THE PLATINUM ONLY THE MELT CAST AND SERVE DEREM MCCOLLUM . Cats have different amounts of pgm's depending on the manufacturer. I look around at my competitors and they're selling the same coat for $50 per. as are ford and Chrysler. There are ways to extract that are so safe you don't even need a mask and then there are ways that are so dangerous that it's like being in a gas chamber.
00 in platinum.00. if you can get 40 of the after market cats . Buyers deal in small numbers so as to sell in large numbers. and shipping. it is the K. is to hold on to them. sdmines. making a after market cat worth $8. I have been researching this for a long time. you can ship 50 pounds in a prepay box and get the 7. but no he sold them anyway. used to recover platinum from spent catalyst.sdsmt.S thing . Knowing what I know I tried to tell him they were worth much much more than that.You make $4.. make your price list 30% less than what you can sell them for and you may make 30%. The answer to some of your questions. Nobody wants you to know for a real good reason (MONEY) I witnessed a man sell a few hundred mixed converters for $16. Virginia
---Ed.December 5. that's $10. 2009 My advice to all of you that have old Catalytic Converters.000 If you have that much cash you can do the math and will know what to do next. After saying all that don't do this with any other cats unless you can get 200 to 300 cats at an average price of $50 each. I am not attempting to concentrate any thing from the cats I collect.5 a pound.
December 21.000 to 15.00.edu/sdsmt/SiteID=199458 Dennis King . I can sell to any one that wants to buy a cat. Yep I know that was stupid.5 . In my calculation what he sold brought someone down the line in the neighborhood of $60.000. and what they were used for.S.000. I have found it to be one of the best kept trade secrets. The History channel recently had a program on acids. I suggest we pool our collection.2 pounds of ceramic honey comb in it and that sells for $7. 2009 I'm now in the cat buying game. removal of the the iron shells would make the 50 pound box not such a bad thing. I tried to convince him not to sell. They are worth a lot more than buyers make out that they are.Ararat. I buy low and sell high. Buy low and sell high you will do fine . One of the acids was Aqua Regia.5x50= $375 minus the cost of shipping. if you don't then be sure to keep the ceramic honey comb in the can and sell them for more than you bought them for.I.000. If you do the refining hoping to
. That way we can cut out the middle man..37 an hr the real trick is getting the 40 cats. note: that website is not loading for us. On that program they told that a 55 gal barrel with app 400 lbs of catalysts would net $24... how ever since an aftermarket cat goes for $4 and it has 1. and buy from any one that wants to sell a cat. and the cost of the 40 cats was 4x40=$160 don't forget to recycle the iron maybe about $10 experience says it takes 1 hr to go to some place to get a cat and get back home 40 cats =40 hrs 374 divided by 40 is $9.5 each now subtract gas for your car time to remove it from the host car.
it just a side job for me at this time. that means the very least a cat core will have in pmgs is 7$ a pound.. I would let the refiners earn there 10% and you should concentrate on volume. for prices look at cats direct 1st American core north eastern core buyers fairless core dyna converter integrity rules 1 buy low sell high 2 don't buy any thing today you cant sell tomorrow (inventory is expensive and makes you zip) 3 decan only if you've got 100s 4 don't decan after market cats till you get 40 of them. Maine January 17..com/refining.11 thousand dollars its got platinum in them. your can with acids leach the three pgms out of the core ceramic.gain remember your platinum will likely not be pure enough to get full price and even if it is the jeweler and ore refiner you sell it to is going to want a 10% to 30% cut off the top. I buy catalytic converters. (see gold refiners index . and have been doing so for 2 weeks I now own 15 of them. thanks
December 23. the amount of metallic values in a cat wildly varies.To extract the inside simply open the plug most if not all have a plug that can be taken out to extract the materials pat mazzillo . (its worth it) and the seller loves the fact that he can add $5 to the sale. (you may change your mind and want to sell them whole) 5 learn how to spot an after market cat (the guy selling you the cat has no clue what the previous owner did to the host car) this one cost me $70 on my very first buy! 6 cut all your buying prices buy 5$ 7 add $5 your buying price for each cat you don't have to cut from under the host car. (see Ebay) its not legal to put a used cat on any car!.aurora Colorado
a correction its perfectly legal to sell a used catalytic converter.shorinternational.. see rule 6! catching on yet? bryan smith .htm
..com). 2009 I have worked in a place that took in catalytic converters what we would do is open the plug dump everything out into 55 gallon drum we would fill 10 -12 of these things then bring them to Texas they paid us about 8 . refiners will want 50 to 200 pounds of cat cores and will take 30 to 10% for there fee. 2010 Glenn Burry.Glovertown NL Canada asked the same question which I have been wondering also which was never answered.8 lbs. Has anyone had any experience with the ishor system http://www.Arundel. . the average cat has 2.. see rule 6. whole cat buyers on the internet will pay from 4 to $165 each. One company will pay 7$ a pound for your cores .
could profit from shilling :-) Regards. are a mite smarter than the idiots in New Jersey and other eastern states. so I am certainly not in a position to be involved anywhere in the sale or purchase of this stuff? -.Marvell. Arkansas
June 2010 Hi. disguised as satisfied customers.Can some of the professionals here (Ted?) please comment on whether or not this would work on granulated CAT honeycomb/beads. Actually. P. Bill N . finishing. So I would elect doing it the the guys in Texas. Bill. No one has answered which specific converters are worth more than the others. I'm not an expert on catalytic converter refining or gold recovery. Michael Rowland . I have been looking at this system for many years so any comment would be greatly appreciated. Although this is my website. How do I know I'm not getting ripped when I sell one? But I'm sure as hell not going to sell it to Ted in Jersey. and also just the plain effectiveness with gold plated scrap.E.Mounds.
Ted Mooney. 2010 It seems that us in Okla.
Ted Mooney. OK the process is way too complicated for person to do on his own. 2010 Hi. "But I'm sure as hell not going to sell it to Ted in Jersey" Is that because I've repeatedly said that my only business is running this website. Colorado and Oklahoma are doing it. P.or because you got concerned about possible questions about the origin of your convertors after I mentioned that my son was a cop :-) Good luck and Regards.com Brick. and many more would if vendors.E. New Jersey
January 21. Mike. finishing. New Jersey
.com Brick. we discourage testimonials to particular commercial products because some people already post here or attempt to post here with fictitious names. and am not qualified to comment on how well this commercial device works (never even seen it). Oklahoma
January 21. rip the things open and pour it into containers you can ship.
think logically.. you have to put something substantial into it to make it work. You can go around to salvage yards and buy cats..February 11..for that matter..BE REALISTIC! As an example or two: If you want to profit... Something for nothing is a bogus way to live. but your labor and production costs will be high... Do you intend to do this industrial process in your garage? If you are going to be honest about it.Columbus... Clearly: THERE'S NO EASY MONEY TO BE MADE BY TRYING TO REFINE THE PRECIOUS METALS YOURSELF! So just give it up..but perhaps think of it as all boiling down to return on investment. and if it were simple to do.thanks again.turn them into COMEX quality ingots and high grade metals to sell to industry? I think many I've read on here are trying to get something for nothing.. new refiners enter the market.got to find some cat specs now!!!! PS: I'm NOT saying not to take a risk or consider a new venture.and smelting/refining is not a permitted use in any residential or agricultural zone I've ever heard of..learn the product specs.. you could probably buy a kit for it at Ace Hardware..but please don't hang on to the notion that you can spin straw into gold. I just wanted to add that anyone who is Still thinking about ways to steal the converters... USA March 4... buying acids and supplies in large bulk. Each refiner employs economies of scale.. and pay for permits and safety and disposal costs... and not cheat... you will have to end up like the existing refiners to make a profit. 2010 Hi All. I'm a pretty smart guy and I thought about it long and hard....to get something meaningful out. He's the man. 2010 Hey.... and poof.... If it gets too lucrative.. and get real. and become a broker for small yards that don't have the time to research the value of each model...or do you think you are going to pick up a few cats. back off of Ted. etc. They assay the metal efficiently. if not actually funny. often with long term contracts to keep their costs low.all above board.. Florida March 11. and by being an accumulator/consolidator. Ohio. Matthew Fox .... Thank you! Off my soapbox I go. and each ingot or batch of metal you produce will still have to be assayed at your expense. 2010 This blog/site whatever kicks ass! You rock dude. Please remember: all the refiners compete with each other.. John Marks . and my conclusion was that the only serious solution to this approach is to have
. learn which cats have what relative amounts of PGMs and buy and sell accordingly.. and even hedging those prices with futures contracts. or a table top model on eBay. you can run the process.. You get out what you put in. I've read a few pages of this thread.Tampa.. Someone did provide a three sentence answer on the 'how to' aspect.you can make a profit from knowing the product you are dealing with. and larger scale than most of you are thinking about. and it's pretty interesting. How do you expect to make your costs lower than theirs? By dumping toxins in the trash? If you are highly competent.. sure.
. Iowa USA March 26. you will look like a ripe candidate to be made example out of in the judicial court.Cedar Rapids. MY ANALYSIS: I'm thinking I'll stick to planting a garden in the spring and riding a bicycle---just hope nobody cuts my gut out looking for little ceramic balls of quicksilver. California March 12.... 2010 Wow. Someone actually stealing from someone who worked hard for their nice car. I notice child abuse was up 12% here in IA last year. MY VOTE: 55 GALLON DRUM METHOD forget about anything beyond mechanical extraction. Don't steal. offering a venue for people to get a little more for there junk vehicle before the salvage yard gets it---or there are still people out there willing to crawl under cars in the middle of the night to feed their habits (and people willing to pay them to do it). insurance. WORD OF WISDOM: Those who write about cats on these walls. but inversely they would still be taking it out of another's mouth..Anaheim. this economy is seething with unions of prison guards and people making 85 thousand dollars a year watching over 'criminals ' who got high. Enough said? Good to know this information though. registration.. cut off the cat in one snap!. and using air-compressed or hydraulic cutters.if you're that smart to build such a device. makes me want to stay on the computer and away from dangerous chemicals. you have no business stealing chicken-sh-. 2010 hey another way that i have found is to use something similar to the gold refining process if you use aqua regia aka nitric and hydrochloric acid mixed it will make clora platonic acid i believe is the name and then from there you can revert the acid back to pure platinum dust witch accumulates at the bottom as a dust you then filter and wash at the very least five times with warm or hot water you then have at least 99. paid license.EAT THOSE LITTLE CERAMIC BALLS OF SLAG!!! Byron Wiese . or sold a dime bag of something to someone who wanted to get high. In fairness it could be said that the economy is now so bad that some may take up the trade to feed mouths. someone offering to "buy" cats.some kind of technology that jacks up the car. then be on your merry way before you could get caught.etc. my guess is theft of cats will also see a comeback as frustration grows.. Had to backtrack to an ad on our Craigslist.. Got so involved I actually forgot how I got here.Roll there words in little ceramic balls. Ok here's what I'm getting at--. Just knowing the process has put a more educated perspective on all of this thank you very much sir. I can't believe I read the WHOLE thing. Eric Vincent web developer/ seeker of knowledge . not habits. Those who read these words of wit.car parts!.9% pure platinum of course you must then use an induction heater to melt it down and the only one that i can think of is right now that is easy to build is ZVS circuit ( zero voltage/current switching) its easy to build but i dont know if it has the ability to get to platinum melting temps
. This can be looked upon 2 ways---either the guy is legit.
Now I think back years ago about a salvage yard I'd work at and at that time we saved all cats in medium size container box's. When the buyer came by we unloaded the contents of the box's on the ground by sizes.we don't have one thousandth of the necessary horsepower. He replied. It can't be done. and it's largely because we don't let people benefit commercially from postings. I just happened to ask the man. Some had more meaning than others.john michael . Like a tree in the back yard. Now that was funny.000 dollars and that was for the contents of one container box of cats. Wyoming
April 7. How to extract precious metals from cats. How come! Is it because of like back then the golden rule of silence still applies and mums the word to this day. 2010 Hi. Mike. As for some of the threads I read that some only had one or two. 2010 Mr Mooney. That is in all these threads I read I did not once read as to where to take the spoils. that if one thinks that you can separate the metals with a torch like Oxyacetylene is like melting a tuna can with a Bic lighter. Before loading them on his truck. or eBay. It's not that we are sworn to silence. This public forum has managed to remain online for 16 years. I too was doing a little research online about precious metals when I stumbled on to this site. I read all of the threads.. Or what! I look forward to visiting this site again in the future. and I to have to agree with a lot of these threads. I hope the next time I read these threads that some one might be kind hearted enough to say as to were one might be able to take there spoils to. We could swamp the threads with spam overnight.Rozet. Some had humor like. is it takes a little bit of this and a little bit of that and a whole lot of other things to make it pure steel and what's involved in that process is like trying to put a Big Mac in a Happy meal. a rope and the neighborhood Kids and a couple steel pipes. But I'm talking in large numbers.
. Please look on Craigslist. Refinery if any. Meaning. I worked in the scrap metal business 10 years ago and from time to time hauled what is none as Frag. it's that as soon as we open a thread to commercial responses.orange park Florida united states April 7. Now knowing how to melt down steel. or Google. But seriously. Now I'm living in Wyoming and have a close friend that's in the auto salvage business and from time to time he has a gentleman come into buy his cats. Sincerely Mike Burt . I once seen a check for $25. Now it's been some years gone by and now like then every one has kept the golden rule of silence. Sorry but we simply can't be Craigslist or Ebay or Google -.That is if they had a lot of them. Wow that's alot of money. for what I will get back that's a drop in the bucket so to speak. everything else is buried under the spam. heavy melt meaning steel beams to the smelting plants in Indiana and in Illinois.
So i figured. People who are secretive do make the most profit.. finishing... or you must wait a given amount of time to receive payment on the converters if you sell too a scrap yard. i am infuriated at the fact. your way of thinking is incredibly fascinating. I guess it sucks that greed rules this country. New Jersey
April 18. First is thanking two people. its a pointless endeavor for the lowest of the low scum of the earth. where you must choose.com Brick.. well Networking is one of my favorite things. And since i have to support an older but great father.. 2010 Well. Except there is one thing i cant find. with food. so i figured well. and am well versed in the language of american society. is i figured I'd keep my karma good. i started reading this because i had hopes that some one would post what cars would be best to go get cc's and then find a company who buys them for refining purposes. i really enjoy your calm responses to some arrogant people. I would like to tell you all a little about myself. the business relationships and personal ones i developed have kept me and my dad in a house. i brought everyone around me up. because Tennessee its hard finding deep and free-thinking people. obviously so. I was a marketer/sale's rep who traveled coast 2 coast. and helped them. Sadly. THE LIST OF CARS! It would seem I'm limited in the aspect that people are too scared of losing profit or theft for advancement in human techno-evolution. i figured i would look into the CC idea so maybe i could gain a little extra money after me losing my job. the way u run these forums is exceptional. All i have to say. Also. and then be a middle man. and i am granted with off the chart social skills. but things happen and you have other obligations in life. the only option left must be that people want to keep people out of this business so they can keep everyone from getting by. Thomas from Sarasota. I'm 19. and makes our world more like the movie Idiocracy if anything. I don't think personally I would be able to do it. As i said previously I'm a marketer and networker. I was searching for two things when i got online today. and that's how i get by now. because i had all of my family heirlooms stolen from me and my handicap dad who lives with me. That is an arrogant notion of people in America. In hopes when and if i fell i would have people around me to keep me afloat. I would never have imagined that everyone who was once barely getting by.
.Regards. find out what kind of CC's too look for. Because people will go steal them. and they start getting up would be power hungry and greedy. when I got up. and for my age i would say i have seen a lot. not a mechanic or chemist. like I am going to be there in May. but in everything i have seen in life. and my friend telling me about plat in CC's. first is how someone could easily sell stolen gold. I figured i shall start with two different topics. Why not post a list of cars? Most states require a title. So. but we lose out on advancement of society.
Ted Mooney. and i was like jeez I hope there will be intelligent people to have deep conversations. or used parts. On my next note. this is why i liked thomas's post. talk to friends who work in areas that come across people selling junk cars. family or career.E. So theft isn't as much of an option. because 2% are incompetent the rest are punished. Ted. that people are scared too post what CC's are good to buy. P. WOW.
Murfreesboro. Good luck. and the thread dissolves to spam :-)
. because I'm an honest person. and my marketing experience. their competitors feel the need to post a glowing testimonial to themselves. i will abide by that notion. just like many of you guys can. well awesome. i could ship them too u. If you guys could be generous and think of others. and a loan isn't an option. All i have to say is. i hope all of you enjoy this post.and utilities. and maybe take my dad out too eat like i used to. I like to work. and I could use the money. Joe. but do not have a dime for start up cost. it is my first ever on this site. Sorry! Similarly. or a google search to locate the people you are seeking. But letting the world know would be a much better thing! But. if you do things on a larger scale. and now they are buying me a car so i can get back to my life. since someone angry at my dad for calling the police on them because he was in fear for his life. am i planning to start anything related to the pt industry. I really enjoyed reading this thread. and if this stuff actually pays off. I just am not the type of man who lives off someone else's gratitude. i am not trying to undercut you guys in your ingot industry. and teaching kids how to pick up chicks. my idea was hopefully getting the cats. if there are threads like this. if not. on cars that look bonestock. just making it better so i don't go out and waste my time. not even knowing the cats may be worth something. but this site does not put people into private contact with each other. and have something too think about. Well. now that i tried to get a little help from some of you guys. the race to the bottom is on. So i was hoping I could make a small profit. Like En: Datsun/Nissan 70-93 not even being super specific. my word is never broken. and finding a company who wanted too do the refining process or something. hell. and i give my word on my dad. maybe not hard labor. but use my skills for a better purpose. put out a list. Please use ebay. 2010 Hi. I'm a marketer. just so i can get by a little better. or in the past could have used also. and just getting rid of the cats core too a scrap yard. cut the radiator hose and some other hoses i do not know what they are at this time. we try to avoid reference to company names because experience has repeatedly proven that as soon as a company name is mentioned. Joe Santaniello . Craigslist. not a wall street man. Just consider the list people. and possibly you would have the word of many exec's who would vouch for me. Nor. that would be acceptable too. 24/7. Tennessee
April 19. and just selling the guts. just like an extra 600 a month or so. i figured that would be the best route. then sitting around on forums. I'm sure I'll have at least made a little money off it. See. because things here are cheap. Thank you For your Time! :) If you guys would like to contact me through email. people selling muffler and cc for 10 bux. well i can see me on here in the future. Apologies. and certainly not my last. if information shared with me you ask not too be disclosed. and possibly start my own business that i have been wanting. with bills of sale for every cat i buy so you never would have to worry about me being a thief. It's just i see older cars being parted out.
and it sounds like the time I'm done study the "ART of CCs" I should have another thousand or so. and with regard to obfuscating for the uninitiated. There are 31. What would be an approx. 2010 Hi.com Brick. weight of a solid block of Platinum with the dimensions of 3" x 1" x 1". Terrill. to a point I am NOT a metallurgist and have limit knowledge of the subject. P. Keep posting and I'll keep reading Scott Jones . New Jersey
June 24. terrill booth . Texas June 8. Your block of platinum is 3 cubic inches. at today's spot price of $1533 per troy ounce. I am a chemist. Ted Mooney. California USA June 9. 2010 Just wondering if anyone could give me some info.45 grams per cubic centimeter. your block would be valued at $51. This thread leads me to believe it is not.com Brick.387 cubic centimeters to a cubic inch.Regards. P. have heard it might be against the law to process them in the US. I had thoughts of selling them raw. Regards. that being said. There are 16.
Ted Mooney. GREAT!! I will begin reading up. Hope the PRICES stay up? I been told to keep the content separate due to the difference in amount and type of metals.980. Platinum weighs 21.riverside. So. 2010 First I'll just say this.E. 2010 I have over 1000 CC cut from salvaged autos over the past couple of years. it
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.Dallas..com Dave smith . beyond that apply tremendous tremendous amounts of heat to the precipitate and go to the bank.scrapcatalyticconverter.YOU WILL NOT GET PLATINUM WITHOUT RESPECTING THE CHEMISTRY AND FOLLOWING MY THOUGHT PROCESS WITHOUT FULLY UNDERSTANDING THE NATURE OF THE MATERIALS INVOLVED COULD AND WOULD CAUSE SERIOUS INJURY AND/OR DEATH. *-*-*-* THIS IS NOT TO BE TRIED BY ANYONE FOLLOWING THIS POST ALONE.. Ma .Redondo Beach.. Australia September 29. Another waste of 30 minutes of my life surfing the web :) :) Gary W . US August 11.seems to me that one could with some difficulty dissolve the platinum/ceramic guts in conc. 2010 Can anyone give an estimate of what a pound of slurry collected in the early 80's is worth. Walt Smith manufacturer .. Any thoughts on a response on this thread will be greatly appreciated.. Alabama September 3.. 2010 These are great questions about catalytic converters and platinum. Yup. clearly I haven't gone so far as putting pencil to paper on this but it seems to me that it could be a lucrative opportunity for someone with a skill set in place to mitigate the very real (and potentially lethal) risks involved. I found it here 'cause I was looking for a reason why my Ford is acting up. nitric and judiciously precipitate with some heavy metal ion.and there is a rush on to find out how it's done or how to get it. every one gets rich in a gold rush.. 2010 Cry.. Got it legally by the way. Maybe you should take a look at www. And for some it is a conspiracy because they are too ignorant or plain stupid to understand how complicated and dangerous to body and environment it is to extract it.PLEASE DO YOUR RESEARCH *-*-*-* Victor C. Queensland.Brisbane.. Texas. California USA
. " There be 'Gold'in them thar hills" or in this case Platinum in them there Catalytic Converters.Mobile.
com/Loose_Beads_Pellets_secure.com/Recycling.how exactly do you tell the difference between an OEM & After-Market Catalytic Converter? Could someone muster up a photo of these 'beads' and these 'honey combs' you talk about do they look just like a piece of screen? So far with the cats I have cut off (Yes legally) they all just look like hollow metal chambers with a screen in them. USA January 14.athens Alabama January 14. I would like to thank Ted first of all for supplying this lovely little trough of information.the dubbah only wanted to give me $10 bucks for them .no one liner is gonna help me learn anything) tips on how to distinguish between a factory original and a aftermarket cat. The last time I brought a couple the junkyard . Thank You all very much for your time spent here & input. 2010 what does the extracted metal look like ron green curious . It has been a great revenue so far making something out of nothing is very rewarding. There is a great video at www.Maine.html and green.youtube. I haven't done much with them but pile them up being as I don't know the difference yet. I'm not real familiar with the old-style ceramic bead catalytic converters. -J Justin L MaineJunKYards .December 22. including maidenresources. but photos are available at www. Being a web designer I know what is like to have to deal with internet hooligans.sellyourcatsdirect. I did an engineering project at a factory that built the newer honeycomb style converters (still a long long time ago). Justin. What I would like to see/know .but I don't trust backyard bob enough to keep doing business with him.html.autoblog. Secondly . 2011 Greetings Everyone.com/watch? v=rmtFp-SV0tY
.com/2006/11/28/thieves-target-catalytic-converters-for-precious-metals/.I as I just mentioned I'm a web designer by trade -but I have started my own side project with recycling cars & metals. So if someone would please give me a few (Yes more than one please . and pictures of them are all over the net.and he might have been honest (one came off an old GM Van & the other a new chevy geo) .which no one has mentioned before . 2011 Hi.
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. Regards. P. but don't know. that an aftermarket converter would have less precious metals soaked into the honeycomb. Ted Mooney.com Brick.