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I BUY, SELL AND REPAIR COMPUTERS. RECENTLY I STARTED TO SAVE ALL MY COMPUTER SCRAP TO RECOVER THE GOLD THAT IS ON THE CARDS. SO ON THE OTHER HAND I STARTED TO BUY A FEW CATALYTIC CONVERTERS AS SCRAP BECAUSE I HEARD THAT IT HAS A LITTLE AMOUNT OF PLATINUM AND PALLADIUM HONEYCOMB THAT IS INSIDE THE BODY OF THE CONVERTER. SO THE POINT IS: IF SOMEONE CAN EXPLAIN TO ME OR GUIDE ME IN THE NEXT STEP TO RECOVER THE PLATINUM_PALLADIUM ONCE THE CONVERTER IS OPEN, BECAUSE THE HONEYCOMB I THINK IS MADE OF CERAMIC. WHY I WANT TO KNOW THIS: TO PROVE TO A COUPLE OF FRIENDS THAT THE CONVERTERS HAVE A LITTLE AMOUNT OF THESE METALS. THEY THINK THAT I AM CRAZY OR NUTS. MARIO Z "hobbyist" - TIJUANA , BAJA CALIFORNIA, MEXICO ++++ If you want to do it just to prove your friends the point, then I agree to them. But if you're willing to make money out of it, be prepared to spend a decent amount of life and a little fortune with no guarantee of success up front. Guillermo Marrufo Monterrey, NL, Mexico
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Scrap Catalytic Converter Platinum Recycle Full Lincoln $71.01 44m

+++++ We have the process for getting platinum ( and other platinum grade metal from scrap catalytic converters). Listen to your friends. The platinum is there, but it is a very dangerous process. You have to know what you are doing. Charles K - Burtonsville, Maryland
View all disclaimer scrap catalytic converter 2008 Domestic platinum $71.50 3h 30m

Scrap Catalytic Converter Platinum $203.00 4h 01m

++++++ Catalytic converters have precious metal in them, Mario. It's the precious metals that provide the catalytic reaction. So collect on the bet. Recovery is dangerous and

shouldn't be attempted by untrained individuals though :-)

Ted Mooney, P.E. finishing.com Brick, New Jersey

++++++ Yes there is Platinum in catalytic converters. You can't recover it yourself but you have to take it a place that buys gold, metals, scraps... I buy catalytic converters, I pay good money. It depends on what kind of catalytic converter you have and if it's full, or half full. Monica M - Louisville, Kentucky

++++++ Monica M, Can you please explain what you mean by full or half-full. also, what different types of catalytic converters are there? which ones are most desirable for resell to refiners? Thanks - Mark Mark W - San Antonio, Texas

+++++++ Hi I currently buy and sell catalytic converters to a man. He has often told me that he will be out of town selling these catalytic converters. My question is how much more is he getting paid and where does he take them to? Currently the best paid one I have had is

one for $120.00, if anyone can help me please do so. Juan M buyer/seller - Seven Springs, North Carolina

+++++++ I think Ted was kind of on the right track with his answer, but just as wrong as the rest of the responders. You will probably not find anyone willing to give up the process that they use because they use it to recover the material themselves. It would be nice if they came right out and said that so you could use your powers of internet research on chemistry to devise your own way of extracting the materials. BTW, if a person wishes to blow themselves up or poison themselves let them do it just don't take anyone else with you. Ron H - Scranton, Pennsylvania

+++++++ I have access to hundreds of catalytic converters, and want to know how to extract, not refine, the platinum from them. This would save shipping fees, but I'm not sure if I can just cut out the part containing the platinum, or do I have to strip it out? Georgia T recycler, junk dealer - Nashville, Tennessee

Ron, yes, certainly people can be coy. But the main issue is difficulty, not secretiveness. Brain surgeons and aircraft engineers may be coy too, but their coyness is not the main reason why people don't post a simple answer here on how to do brain surgery or design a jetliner :-) Recovering precious metals requires a significant investment in time, education, and equipment. Georgia, you can cut the valuable part out from the steel. They will look a lot like a small muffler. The metal housing is stainless steel and contains no precious metal (although stainless steel has scrap value too). The precious metal is in the ceramic honeycombs you find inside. Good luck! Ted Mooney, P.E. finishing.com Brick, New Jersey

Rachel. UK Object 8 +++++++ Recovery of precious metals is a well developed industrial science. for the ones that want to know why they are so expensive. it seems that developing a good "buy low / sell high" strategy is a much easier way to make money than doing the dangerous chemistry.+++++++ Hello. Alabama +++++++ I did the math as you asked.. What is the best way of doing this? Rachael C work in a glass lab .Vernon. for an average size converter it has about 1. New Jersey +++++++ I work in a lab and need to produce platinum from a catalytic converter on a small and safe scale. Nathan. I have one way to do it but it is kinda hectic.Rotherham.com Brick. and came up with $80. Nathan H . Read the great reviews of Ammen's book --> But why does your company "need" to get platinum from this source rather than buying it? If can you provide a little more detail on what you Object 9 . But. finishing.9 grams of platinum in the honeycomb. South Yorkshire. P.E.. Object 7 Ted Mooney. I would like to know whom I could sell the catalytic converters.and do the math at 1200 dollars an ounce for platinum.. and there are books that compare the alternative approaches and explain the chemistry in depth. Looking at ebay with asking prices from about $10 to $150 for scrap catalytic convertors.

and people will probably be willing and able to answer. P. Give yourself a few weeks of diligent reading and you'll be able to ask rather specific questions. AND OTHER FOREIGN ILLNESSES. I MEAN THERE ARE A LOT OF DANGEROUS THINGS OUT HERE. ALCOHOL FOR ONE IS A DANGEROUS PROCESS IN EVERY WAY BUT PEOPLE NEVER DENIED US THE PROCESS OF CONSUMING IT AS WELL AS DRUGS.E. it's that they simply can't answer a question that broad.com Brick. All they can do is say "start by attending an aeronautical engineering college for four years" :-) Recovery of precious metals is a well developed science-. If you ask a specific question regarding how jetliners are built. but if you say "tell me how to build a jetliner". Wade.start by reading books that are readily available from any large library (did you ask yet if your library had the books we already recommended?).are trying to do. Good luck.S. .ST. THAT WE DON'T EVEN ASK FOR. WORKING IN ASBESTOS AREAS. P. you will probably get better targeted and therefore more helpful answers. I MEAN REGARDLESS OF IF IT'S A DANGEROUS PROCESS OR NOT ITS OUR OWN DECISION IF WE WANT TO GO THROUGH WITH IT OR NOT. Thanks! Ted Mooney. BUT IT SEEMS TO ME THAT NO ONE WANTS TO GIVE THIS VALUABLE INFORMATION UP IN FEAR OF OTHER PEOPLE MAKING THE KIND OF MONEY THEY'RE MAKING. it's not that they refuse to answer. people may answer. LOUIS. finishing. Just as Boeing & Airbus are not concerned that you will compete against them in building jetliners. It's not so much secret as difficult to explain when starting from zero. Johnson-Matthey & Heraeus are not afraid of their halfbillion dollar precious metal refineries facing competition from individuals. SO FOR ANYONE WOULDN'T MIND SHARING SOME VALUABLE INFORMATION PLEASE LET ME KNOW THE PROCESS OF EXTRACTING THESE PRECIOUS METALS Wade Collins . like how thick should the nickel-cadmium plating be on a turbine blade. Missouri Hi. New Jersey +++++++ MY NAME IS WADE COLLINS AND I WAS TRYING TO FIND THIS PROCESS OUT MYSELF. BUT TO DENY THE PEOPLE TO MAKE MANY WHETHER YOU BELIEVE OR NOT TO BE DANGEROUS IS OUR DECISION IF WE WANT TO DO IT.

I buy & sell many catalytic convertor.Belvidere. page 2 HOW TO RECOVER PLATINUM FROM CATALYTIC CONVERTERS. but I don't know the method for take out the platinum from it. finishing. New Jersey January 11. 2011 LOL Just acquired a foreclosed estate property with acreage and found a mountain of converters waaaayyyy back in the woods under tarps.Ted Mooney. Vermont USA þÿ Search Home/Sitemap · you are here: Forum => letter 27814.France . Stumbled on this thread and now I know. if it's possible can you help me? how do we do it? regards Jouni .com Brick.E. Roberto Gremini . Couldn't for the life of me figure out what this guy was keeping them for and why he was hiding them so far from the road. P. page 2 1 2 3 4 5 6 +++++++ hi friends.

respectively. The process to do so is known as carbochlorination and the simplified textbook definition of the process is as follows: A stepwise carbochlorination--chemical vapor transport (SC--CVT) process is proposed for the rare earth extraction and separation from a mixed bastnaesite-monazite concentrate based on thermodynamic and kinetic analysis using carbon as reductant.. chlorine gas as chlorination agent.1 kJ/mole under 2 kPa of SiCl4 gas. but these values reduced to 15 and 2. Between 500 deg C and 800 deg C. respectively.. The CVT reaction of the carbochlorination product was performed at 800 C for 0. This. The rare earth chloride yield for 2 hours was 56 to 88 mol pct in the absence of SiCl4 and 92 to 99 mol pct in the presence of SiCl4. Their combination allows an efficient and environmentally conscious extraction and separation of rare earth elements from the mixed concentrate. suggests that carbochlorination of the mixed concentrate at temperatures as low as 500 deg C in the (Cl2 1 SiCl4) atmosphere is suitable for rare earth extraction and thorium-free volatile by-product release. step by step method of doing this. apparent activation energy of the carbochlorination within 2 hours changed from 22 to 16 kJ/mol roughly for the initial half hour and final 1 hour. together with the negligible equilibrium vapor pressure of ThCl4 at below 600 C. there is no simpler. leading to complete thorium removal and efficient rare earth separation.5 hours in the (Cl2 1 SiCl4 1 AlCl3) atmosphere and then at 1000 C for 6 hours in the (Cl2 1 AlCl3) atmosphere along different temperature gradients.95 4d 04h 36m View all disclaimer If you can't understand that then you're out of luck. but carbochlorination at above 1000 C yielded a large amount of acidinsoluble residue. $24.+++++++ Since "complicated and dangerous" doesn't seem to satisfy the masses on what it takes to extract precious medals from items such as catalytic converters. and AlCl3 as vapor complex former. which is different from the conventional Goldschmidt process at 1000 C to 1200 C. in the absence of SiCl4. . SiCl4 as defluorination agent. HOW TO RECOVER RARE METALS FROM ELECTRON . I'll put it in another way.

Cory Gage - Tulsa, Oklahoma

+++++++ The reason these [expletive deleted] don't want to give you the info is cause of the loss of money they would be hit with. The high value cat's get 2 to 300 dollars that hold up to 2 ounces of platinum in them.Notice you caught the eye of so many on here trying to buy yours instead of showing how you can recover 2 ounces of platinum. Now 1 ounce goes for what 1300 dollars.I wouldn't show you how to recover it either! Zachary Rumble - Lawton, Oklahoma

+++++++ Cory just finished taking the time to give you the 'secret' info, Zachary. But you don't yet have the background knowledge to understand his instructions. Any large library will have books on recovering platinum and precious metals; you may need to study those books before you understand Cory's instructions. I bought a new catalytic converter from Meineke for under $150. Some models for larger cars may have more platinum but $2600 worth sounded ludicrous. So I spent some time on line looking for the world's most expensive catalytic converter and the best I could do was $2495 for a pair for a Ferrari, Although the precious metals are indeed valuable, maybe the real issue is that there are people who want to sell you scrap at ridiculous prices by exaggerating its value while implying that recovery is easy?

Ted Mooney, P.E. finishing.com Brick, New Jersey

+++++++ I am a buyer of scrap catalytic converters.The process you ask about is very hard and dangerous. It is a process that is regulated under EPA standards. It is profitable to sell the converter as a whole unit. You can refine or have them refined in other countries if you want to gather up 3000 of them and wait 90 days on your money to come back to you. My web site buys on average 2500 catalytic converters a month. I have tried it all and to refine a converter yourself is totally crazy. There is 3 acids in the process and it becomes very explosive and at

times it does explode.The proper automated machines keep the workers safe when this happens. There are several platinum groups in most converters. A large gm I pay 100.00 for it on my web site. A aftermarket converter is not worth what a factory converter is. It will only net you 10.00 as scrap. Some large converters I pay 140.00 for them and some exotic converters go higher than that, 200.00 or so. Before you find all there is to refining your own think about the people around you and the laws of the land. Steven Gee - Hornsby, Tennessee

+++++++ I agree with Mr. Mooney's last post. It is impossible to recover $200 in metals value from a product that RETAILS for less than $200! Now, I do believe that finding silver/gold/Pt/Pd and other precious metals in a refinable form is still do-able at flea-markets, garage and estate sales and thrift stores - with enough time and patience. They, like others, have become much more sophisticated, so, likely they tested and 'high-graded' anything before it went out for sale. Garage sales at private residences (NOT conducted by professional estate or auction services) remain the best candidates. Bruce A Ades - Carrollton, Texas

+++++++ I am new to scrap metal. I want to get the metal out of these items. Does anybody know a melt down place to retrieve these metals? I want to make a living doing scrap metal. Vicky in Los Angeles Victoria Blanchard hobbyist - Los Angeles, California

+++++++ The carbochlorination behavior of scrapped honeycomb-type automobile catalysts was investigated using a chlorine and carbon monoxide gas mixture to fully extract platinum and rhodium in the catalysts. The recoveries of platinum, rhodium, and base metals are monitored by ICP-AES analyses. Upflow type of fixed-bed carbochlorination experiments were performed between 250 and 700 C. The effects of flow rate, time, and partial pressures of chlorine and carbon monoxide were also determined. After optimization of these parameters, the recoveries of about 95.9% of platinum and 92.9% of rhodium were obtained

at 550 C. The recovered condensate was contaminated by various base metal chlorides. The chlorides generated from the base metals could be minimized by decreasing the flow rate of the gas mixture without any deterioration of PGM recoveries, but at the expense of the volatility. The carbochlorination of scrapped automobile catalysts could be an efficient way for the profitable recovery of platinum and rhodium chlorinated compounds at comparatively low temperatures. sorry i cant find the credits Brian McKee - Buffalo, New York

January 26, 2008 I agree with most of the comments here. The process is not one that everyone should be trying. It is much easier to just find someone who is doing it all the time. There are a few good companies that would be happy to buy all the CCs you can get them. If you want to try something try to recover gold. It is plenty dangerous enough for the thrill seekers and you are much more likely to have a good outcome. After you have done a few hundred pounds of gold then you can move up to this. I should mention scale is very important when it comes to profit margins on both of these processes. Michael Biggs - Princeton, Texas

January 29, 2008 Recovery of metals from cats is difficult| Is it possible to recondition the cat ready for re installation .E G.Vacuum baking to remove volatiles followed by baking in air to burn off carbon? Mickey Louvel chemist - Hampshire, U.K.

February 10, 2008 http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/5542957-description.html Here you will find several ways to extract the metals. And for everyone out there who enjoys censoring information to the masses, tisk tisk. Adam Underwood

Adam? Ted Mooney. 2008 Have you seen anyone censoring anything. Alabama February 10. eh? And no.Mobile. It's dangerous plus you'll lose money.PJC Peter Carey .San Francisco. New Jersey February 11. Or is it just a burning curiosity? Maybe we should have some legal authority monitoring of this thread. The sole of my shoe and my jacket were destroyed in this process. P. you do not want to refine the tiny bit of metal in each without a lab behind you. having some knowledge of it. finishing. I stopped to check the damage and remove the converter and tailpipe from the road. I wonder because somebody just hacked mine off my Jeep with a Sawsall.Perth. I decided to take my leather jacket off and break the red hot pipe from the converter. 2008 I wonder where all these people are getting ALL these cats.E. James Monroe . quantity. and remember everyone has to make a profit or they would be out of business. it was just an old muffler!!! What a day!!!! Enjoy your converter people. To my surprise. I didn't have time to get out of it's way and ran over it at 110 km/h(70 MPH). Cindy Reynolds . but I persevered and finally broke the catalytic converter off. volume. I burnt my hands dragging the thing from the road.. Western Australia February 11. The replacement bumper and paintwork cost me $780. cried over the stuffed jacked and shoe and proceeded to take to the thing with my oxy-acetylene cutter.com Brick. California February 19.00. I did the first aid on my hands. 2008 About 4 years ago I was traveling along the highway and a catalytic converter dislodged it's self from the vehicle in front of me. Prices are based on types. so I too could own some PLATINUM.. I placed it in the truck of my vehicle and raced it home.. 2008 Those of you wanting more for your converters are in a jam.

Kurt Crosby .. Easy to assemble and use. When you pour the mold it will cool and the slag can be removed with a small hammer. The reason most people don't do it is they are either dreamers or just too stupid or flat out too lazy to try when they find out what it takes. James Wilson . I just want to sell the cat. 2008 I too used to think like most of you until I talked to a gentleman who owns a bronze sculpture foundry.Prairie Du Chien. how much money I will receive for which model? I don't want to give 50 and get 30. Wisconsin March 11. Do some research it is not that hard to search this stuff. 2008 I own a salvage company. Platinum and Palladium are each different weights and one has a higher melting point than the other so when cooling down they tend to separate somewhat. I have no interest in recovering the platinum..in a perfect world.Springfield. Thanks and good luck all. Georgia April 24. 2008 How do I know if my converter cartridge has any material left in it? I have access to cartridges which have been removed from converters.. The average cc contains around (if all used up) about a 1/4 oz. How do I know if there is any precious metals left in them..so they have just passed a law that the purchaser must get the id of the seller which helps determine if a Jeep cat was cut off and a Jeep cat was sold the next day they can find you. 2008 The cat's are disappearing here in Minn.. You can find the plans for a furnace online easily. Ohio March 16.Kilkenny. Doug Dugan hobbyist .Dalton.I know there are ways around but at least we are trying. I in turn found out the secret. and then you have almost pure platinum and palladium. So can some one give me a price list.. One that came off of a . A Crucible and crucible furnace is all you need along with someborax [link is to product info] and silica sand. Minnesota March 19.

If you don't you are just spinning your wheels. They use a pgm that is not as high as platinum or pall.Purcell. I just smelted an '89 and produced 1/3 oz of platinum on a dead one. Don't let the buyers of cc's lie and say they don't hardly get much more from you on them from their buyers.com Brick. This fit with the plan and now it will cost 18. They can put less of the valuable components into them for sale in these states and still be in compliance. Oklahoma April 24. You just have to be safe doing it so you don't hurt your self in the process. Chuck. If i buy one that came off of a new car it will yield way more than that of a knock off. Ted Mooney. If people would take the time to do it right they would make a lot of extra money for themselves. finishing. Like in the 70's a new car (not a Cadillac mind you) but a regular car was around 7. but something doesn't add up. Do your research if you want to make money. the low price for palladium was $432/oz. .00 you have to make a profit. New Jersey April 26.. When the cc was added because of emissions control cars started becoming 10 to 12000 dollars.000 and up. I average 2 to 3. Just an example: before the cc came out on new cars the value of a car was in the mid thousand dollar range. Also with a lot of states like here that require an inspection sticker no more.[certain model] that had been wrecked before it got used almost new produces close to 3 oz.00 every weekend on cc's. I also extract gold from plated cosmetic jewelry and have a good time doing it in my spare time. 2008 The "low" price for platinum today was $1951/oz.E. They don't care if it costs them 3 grand to produce one for the new car because they will add that to the new car price. These are after market. P. To sum it all up if you buy for 100.000 dollars. It is there and I make a lot on it every weekend.000. 2008 The new converters that they sell are not like the ones that come on the new car. Regards. They make a lot and the guys who melt them make a killing. the new cats that you get are either reconditioned or made of cheap stuff. It is doable and should be done by anyone with half a brain! chuck graham . So if we assume the car maker uses half palladium and half platinum it would cost them $3575 to charge a converter? Some convertors are worth more than others. They use the price of the car to offset the cc that has the platinum inside.

. evaporate. ten converters in a shed. treat with Ammonium chloride. I'd like to know: are the cars/trucks with the catalytic converters intact worth more? I'm I being ripped off? Yesterday I found approx. 2008 How much precious metal is in 60 grams of catalytic converter flakes? Hi someone please help me with these questions: 1) on ebay people sell collected flakes of platinum from catalytic converters. I have been selling the vehicles off one by one. strain the resulting solution and dispose of the ceramic. HNO3). would it be worth it to purchase a Crucible furnace and extract the platinum/palladium myself? It seems to me that the older and heavier ones would be more valuable. dry and heat to 500 C to remove impurities. 2008 Reflux the honeycomb in aqua regia (HCl. wash with HCl.San Francisco.Tooele. Utah April 30. Oklahoma April 29. Kathie Meli junk yard owner .Purcell. I'm I right in my assumption? Thanks for any help you can give me. California April 25. How much platinum is in 60 grams of these flakes? 2) where can I sell it? 3) how much can I expect to get per ounce of this stuff? Thanks for your help Joe Goday interested in getting involved . 2008 Hi. I recently inherited a mini junk yard.Chuck Chuck Graham . some for scrap at $90 to $100 each.

First of all get a 55 gallon barrel and then start collecting converters. punch a hole in the converters and the beads will usually fall out. New York May 12. you can go find what your looking for on the Discovery network. is there other parts that might be worth my while to scrap. like the starters & alternators? I know they have the copper windings inside. Now I am no rocket scientist but it sure don't take one to fill up that 55 gallon barrel and have it shipped to a refiner in Cali. 2008 Well I am sure we are all tired of hearing the same questions over and over again and that HOW. A barrel full is worth about 20. I won't go in to more detail than that. Dale R .Steve Shaw . I think I should remove and scrap my converters before calling the junk dealer and just giving the cars away. I won't go in to more detail than that. 2008 "And by the way if your still wanting to try it all your selves. muriatic acid so you can mix them in the right amounts to make the acid that is needed to extract the metals. do they? Or. You will notice there are different colored beads. And by the way if your still wanting to try it all your selves.Honeoye Falls.with the recent outbreak of thefts. I am currently in between jobs and could use the money to get me through. the dark ones are the trash and the other lighter colored ones are the metals your looking for. muriatic acid so you can mix them in the right amounts to make the acid that is needed to extract the metals. Well stop asking the how and just ask what's the best way to make the most money you can.Olalla. Washington June 13.Texas June 17. I am sure they will have a re-run there. I also know they pay a lot less for 'dirty' metal as I scraped some aluminum window frames a few years ago and was paid a lot less for the ones that had screws and other metal still attached.regardless? Just wondering if it will be worth my while to jack up and climb under and cut off the converters.000 USD. so what's your choice? I for one will stick to watching "How Its Made" on the Discovery channel and learn from the Pro's on how to safely recycle converters. Also. How do I or the recycler now the value of each? Surely they do not take them apart on the spot. you can go find what your looking . then you will need hydrochloric acid. 2008 I have 6 or so cars that I have been dragging my feet about getting rid of. Carol Stevens . then you will need hydrochloric acid. That part is soooo simple anyone can do it. do they just weigh them and give you a set price.

I am sure they will have a re-run there. so why not just melt it out (after all you probably do) because its easier. Ted Mooney. Then Chuck from Purcell. Tyler E .. Dale from Texas suggested collecting the beads in barrels as the best place to position yourself in the recovery chain to make money simply and easily. 2008 Hi.. can perform a precious metal refining process. Regards. Cory from Tulsa explained in detail how the precious metals can be recovered." why in the heck can't you people share what you know? instead you have to be all secretive and say oh it's dangerous and you need all these poisonous chemicals. GOOD GRIEF! Y'KNOW. It's just ridiculous. TED.com Brick. New Jersey June 27. Then Brian from Buffalo did the same. you tell us about chemicals to thwart us from trying when you people are probably just tossing them into a furnace and pouring brick after brick. Then Adam from Mobile pointed you to a patent describing some methods.. all metal will melt at some point.Norfolk.for on the Discovery network.E. finishing. Why? just to try to discourage us because you don't want us possibly taking your profit if were in your area. available from any library." see it is that one lil sentence that is a bunch of bull. you demand that someone explain in one paragraph how people of unknown skill and experience. that will explain all.YOU ALWAYS HAVE SUCH A RESERVED CONTROL . Virginia June 19. • • • • • But instead of thanking anyone. Tyler. 2008 OH. • We've named books. but went on to name a TV program if you want to go further. "I wont go into more detail than that. Please study. OK explained an alternate way to do it by melting. perhaps without basic chemistry knowledge. "pouring brick after brick" of precious metal. and then ask any detailed question you wish and people will probably be delighted to answer it. P.

... I DON'T KNOW IF I WOULD WANT TO INCLUDE THE PERSONAL REALITY OF ME WAKING UP IN A COLD-CLAMMY SWEAT. BELIEVE ME..WITH YOUR RESPONSES TO THESE POSTS AND I DO ADMIRE YOU FOR THAT. I.Moreno Valley.. California July 4.(on a good night) FROM DREAMING ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS THESE MISDIRECTED. Wyoming July 4... you're dead and everyone close to you.. cant fix dumb terry Pearson .....I HAVE NOTHING TO SAY.I WILL. NOW.I'M ALRIGHT NOW... IN ANY MONTH.gonna pour myself a good brandy.AND BEFORE MY SIDE STOPS HURTING FROM UNCONTROLLED LAUGHTER.rock springs.. Umm. THERE. 2008 why when someone lays it out for you you think its wrong? its not safe you can't do it in your house or basement if you get it wrong you die!! SO look it up and then think about it!! get it wrong. Allen Cook pgm refiner .I HEAR SOMETHING EVEN FUNNIER.. TED. I'LL GET THROUGH THIS TONIGHT. I COULD GATHER ENOUGH STORY MATERIAL TO MAKE A VERY BIZARRE COMEDY.I UNDERSTAND JUST HOW OFTEN YOU MUST BITE YOUR LIP AND GIVE A SIGNIFICANT PAUSE TO REFLECT ON THE ABSURDITIES SOME OF THESE POSTERS KEY-OUT.FOR HOURS AND HOURS. I DEAL WITH VARIOUS SEGMENTS OF THE PGM RECYCLING INDUSTRY ON A DAILY (and nightly) BASIS AND EVERY TIME I THINK THAT I'VE HEARD IT ALL. I SUPPOSE THAT I WOULD NEED TO WRITE-IN A FEW CHASE SCENES AND OTHER HI-TENSION SUBJECT MATTER TO HOLD GENERAL AUDIENCE INTERESTS.. NAIVE AND SOMETIMES HYSTERICAL PEOPLE HAVE TO SAY TO ME ON THE PHONE OR eMAIL.'TILL IT STARTS ALL OVER AGAIN TOMORROW MORNING. YEAH. SCREAMING.. ONE HAS TO WONDER IF THEY ARE JOKING WITH US OR (even worse) ARE ACTUALLY SERIOUS ABOUT SOME OF THEIR FANTASTIC BELIEFS AND STATEMENTS. SO MANY OF THEM DO BELIEVE THAT WE MUST BE SALVAGING MANY... BUT. 2008 I have started down the Aqua regia route for reclaiming PMG's from cats which I'm quite . AND THEY ALSO BELIEVE THAT THE PROCESS IS SIMPLE AND COSTS VERY LITTLE TO DO IT. R... AAARRRRAGGGAAAHHHHH! OK. I SWEAR.... OK.OK.....I GET A REGULAR DOSE OF COMMENTS FROM INDIVIDUALS CLAIMING THAT THERE'S GOTTA BE SOME SORT OF CONSPIRACY WITH REGARD TO ACTUAL RETRIEVABLE PGM LOADS FROM VARIOUS AUTO CATALYSTS AND INDUSTRIAL SUCCENTS... MANY TIMES THE ACTUAL AMOUNTS OF THOSE PRECIOUS METALS THAT EXIST IN THE SPENT CATALYSTS..

Texas July 9.London. Sincerely.Palacios. New Zealand July 4. I do like Chuck's method however and if I had seen it early enough would have gone down that road as it appears nice and clean. being a retired scientist(chemist). England July 9. I have read these questions and also the answers in great detail tying to resolve the correct procedures to make these extractions of platinum. Perhaps the key to it is the flux's that Chuck uses! Any comments. that is how we know there is no real interest in the metal other than its resale value. etc. but I have no reason to assume they are thieves. I guess in some areas there is catalytic converter theft but I've never heard of an incident in my local newspapers or on my TV stations. I too am interested in procuring platinum from catalytic converters. if anyone had done their homework. etc. I would like to thank whom ever sends this information so that it can be distributed to people who do need extra income for their families. Step #3 Melt all of the contents. 2008 Also. I will post it on the major internet services (google. Thank you again. What I can't fathom with Chuck's method though is that separation of the PMG's seem to be straight forward but the scientific papers on the subject say you only get separation of the PMG's if you use a carrier metal such as copper. I Remain.) for all to use. the current market for rhodium is closer to £18K. Is there any one who can steer us folks in the correct step by step procedures? What # step do the different chemicals get added in? As soon as I obtain the correct step by step procedures for the extraction of platinum from auto catalytic converters. and so on until the last step of removing slag from the platinum. yahoo. Step #2 Strip the insides of the converter and place into a large crucible. 2008 Why is it that all these cat convertor thieves are asking how to extract the platinum. Scott. and my son who is a . Don Weaver hobbyist . However. Scott Edgeler . 2008 Hi. Chuck? Bob Keen . they would know that the current market price for an ounce of platinum is closer to $4k. could someone give the correct Step #1 Open up the converter with a torch. I personally think people are misguided in their amateur precious metal recovery efforts. I have tried googling on the internet and I have not found any significant "steps" to extract platinum from converters.Palmerston Nth.comfortable with.

. I'm sorry for you -..JUST KEY-OUT "KITCO" OK? I'M GONNA GO TO BED NOW. Any answers anyone can provide on this topic would be greatly appreciated. I intend to go to ..local cop here hasn't seen any incidences of it either. YOU WILL KNOW A LITTLE MORE ABOUT WORLD MARKET PRECIOUS METALS BUYING AND SELLING VALUES. I am interested in getting into this so I have been doing some research.but please don't demand that we make the presumption that anyone we see climbing the church steps is on their way to rob the poor box :-) Regards.. but I have some questions.com Brick. Ted Mooney. would this work? How many times do you have melt the gold to remove all of the impurities? Does the waste or slag eventually come to the surface and then it is easy to pour out or do you have to strain it somehow? How do you measure the purity of gold? Where do you sell your gold when your done? What kind of price should I expect for an ounce of refined gold? (I know what gold is worth. Silica flour. You said that you reclaimed gold from jewelry. r.GAWD. but I am not sure how close to full price I would be able to get for it). 2008 My question is for chuck who last posted on this topic back in April. WHY ARE U QUOTING SUCH ABSURD SPOT-PRICES FOR PLATINUM AND PALLADIUM? IF YOU WILL REFER TO THE CURRENT DAILY PGM CHARTS DISPLAYED BY KITCO..IT'S STARTING AGAIN. borax [link is to product info]. and Sodium Nitrate to remove the impurities from the gold. finishing. 2008 OMG.moreno valley. PLEEZ. allen cook . C'MON. STOP IT SCOTT. California July 14.. I know when they are refining gold after being mined they use a combination of these five chemicals Manganese Dioxide. P.E. Could you use these same chemicals when melting jewelry? How does this process work? How much of each chemical should be used? What do you use? Also I was thinking of using an electric kiln capable of 2300 F. along with a graphite crucible.. SCOTT. New Jersey July 11. fluoride.. If you've suffered a theft yourself.

Think boiling acid. Is this a reasonable price? He works primarily on higher priced cars. (If you are good with people. 3. he pays them X per. very dangerous. He is currently getting $30 each. what you know (like chemistry). fire.the library to do more research but if I could talk to someone who has actually done something like this it would help. plus Z for .so it looks as though if you want to get the most out of cat processing you grab the earlier cats most of whom will contain only platinum and palladium.take your pick. New Zealand July 14. You see where this is leading. Friend of mine runs a repair shop.19 g platinum. The info is available on the web. Bob Keen . 2008 1. B. however.78 g rhodium . in fact. The processor must cut open the cats and remove the core (that's where the platinum is. plus Y for (1) the work and expense of collecting them and (2) developing his network of suppliers (the repair shops).Palmerston North.. California July 14. Because cats run at extremely high temperatures. about 15 cats a week.) You want a plasma cutter to work at speed. If you mess up. 2008 Some pertinent information for potential cat processors. explosion . in a cat has a value: A. (I'm not talking about the pipes on either side. including concentrated acids. you will not get a second chance. you might do very well building relationships with owners of repair shops. etc. They indicate that in 1993 cats contained 60 g of precious metals but with new technologies this has been reduced so that now cats only contain 5 g of precious metals and this equates approximately to 3. He can sell them to a processor for X. The large English company of Johnson Matthey supply 1 in 3 cars worldwide with cats. 1.04 g palladium and 0.) The processor can sell the core for X + Y.. and what you are good at. Every step towards recovering platinum. 2. I have some chemistry lab experience.) . Garret Boyer . I am very tempted to try my hand at recovering metals from cats.. the steel parts are high grade and not easy to cut. the chemicals required are.Vista. Guy picks up cats from repair shops. The value of your part of the process depends on how much work you want to do. C. but the body of the cat itself. You have to decide where you want to fit in the process.

This is a basic process of extraction. since no one has asked it yet. Arizona USA July 18. Bottom line if you are happy with less recovery.. I liked the post that spoke to finding your place in the distribution chain i. Then learn / test the next step and so forth.. start at step 1. And actually they are right. The level you wish to extract to depends on the level of work & knowledge OR test & try you . . Laura Shea . or you are happy to concentrate the cores to the point that that you are comfortable with and learn as you go then that is a great plan.be it chemistry or people (Ted). get some cats and refine your process through the chain as you feel comfortable and safe.like playing with VooDoo dolls or something. this is a chemical process that is dangerous. Yes. 2008 I'll take the easy road . difficult and dirty and is a 'pro's only' game requiring much knowledge to avoid death and harm . Suggestion: if you do not need cash but want to start a play just start stockpiling CCs. 1. High temp acid and playing with chemical mixtures at any temperature is a great start to a bad weekend..Phoenix. You do not need to break out the boiling acid to make a buck. New York July 14. No chem degree required or magical explosions or secretive myths.. get a life.Ardsley. sourcing the CCs. OR 2. 2008 Ted Wow. You do NOT have to use a complex and dangerous chemical process to recover these metals unless you need high yield recovery.e. what year did they start and stop putting the precious beads in these converters? Actually it's a question of curiosity . If you read through this post and all the threads you will find that there are two pools of thought. do multiple levels in the process and avoid what they are not good at . they are making a killing but only the ones that stay quiet.Frank Richardson .that you apply.

. One last point is keep in mind the cores are dangerous from step 1. but they've been adequate to keep this site going for more than a quarter million postings over 19 years. i. So do your 55 gallon drum but keep the drum & learn or sell it only once you know more about its real value.yip. . Regards.Dallas. or sell it as-is. Imagine though if you bought CC for 5 years. Get wealthy as you go . instead why not try to help . Take a long term view. learn to safely strip cats. That's when you cash in. learn to compact the cores.e. So we'll be happy to print more postings from you. 2008 Hi. Be mindful of environmental impacts and keep the cores well stored. I don't engage in any business except this website and haven't for many years -. Its a closed poverty and scarcity mindset that tries to infect others with the difficulty you found learning it.so I don't know what you mean about "your feedback and others in the business as being very transparent".. Texas July 18. I learned that the single most important thing necessary for a durable public forum website is to not print ad hominem attacks. Then if you decide the biz (or parts of the biz) is not for you you can sell your cores and cash out and probably make more because the metal prices keep going up. stripped the cores. wear breathing and other protection. Jon Decker personal interest .that why they are in the car. Jolly Roger PS Ted nothing actually against you however I see your feedback and others in the business as being very transparent including mr CAPITALS.when you get better later and have more skills and contacts you can convert for cash or refine it to the next step of stripping the cores well. but only if they talk about the topic rather than the other posters. Get rich quick? Nope. refine.. There are carcinogens (cancer causing agents) in exhaust and many bad chemicals .. So you are dealing with some pretty bad radicals so be safe. My chemistry and people skills may not be good. learn to buy cats.don't outline problems but give better solutions so they can learn and grow. Jon. did a fast refinement to concentrate and then started doing the processing side..

Africa and Asia. 2008 Hey Dale you said that you can ship a 55 gallon barrel full of CC beads to a refinery in CA.Taunusstein. and believe you can do it with platinum.Vista. Please explain. or did you just hear from someone that you could sell them for that much. finishing.your use of ounces and the confusion of value may be because the measure of TROY ounces for platinum is different from a standard ounce i believe MARCUS Hardy . P. 2008 I believe I know how.com Brick. Georgia July 21. Mims Research . i want a direct dealer. Collins Emeka Ali wholesaler . Georgia July 22. New Jersey July 19.E. Germany July 20.Brunswick. I have done this with gold. 2008 I think you should look at what other products have Platinum in them there must be other applications that are not so hard to find electronics maybe? L.Atlanta. calculated in kg? I get my goods from Europe. Hessen. company that buy complete cat converter or buy those that have been removed from the case.Ted Mooney. aqua regia is made with . 2008 I have been searching for company or companies that recycle auto catalytic converter to transact business with.. What's the name of the refinery? Did you actually fill up a 55 gallon barrel full of the beads and sell it for $20. Garret Boyer .. 2008 just a quick note. California July 22. I called around to a few places and they say you can't get nearly that much for them.000 to a refinery in CA. you will need to dissolve it in a hot aqua regia. but it is dangerous.

) Fred Weivraer . and me and some of my buds here in the trailer park are thinkin of settin up an advanced precious metals extraction lab in my shed (thinkin of callin it "Hazmat Heaven") and I wanna know from you people what's a cheap easy way I can learn from one post. After the melt has cooled cover half of it with chemically pure nitric acid. and kryptonite and stuff. this makes the acid start to work. Michigan August 4. Well. I am not sure about platinum. the fumes and smoke are . 2008 hey I'm touss in ga and want to know more about selling these cats i have in my junk cars! please do help who buys them and how much? touss black auto sales . note: Regarding theft of catalytic convertors. titanium. 2008 Hey. Georgia August 8. I got me some cat converters we found just hangin off the cars in the walmart parkin lot. to get the $50. see-. but seriously folks. platinum. This can be done in a 30 gallon steel barrel with a crucible inside. uranium.com/cars/2008/02/asplatinum-soa. Chuck was the smartest and closest poster yet. what? Oh. gold appears as a white powder on the filter. the melting point of platinum is 1755°C.blog. much hotter than gold at 1063°C I hope this helps and gives you enough information that you will be able to make a good decision on is it really worth it! Dennis Misenar . First you take the contents of the CC whether it be beads or honeycomb and melt it. See you soon.wired.000 worth of palladium. after you dissolve the platinum you can recover it by filtering out the acid through a coffee filter. Next take it to an area far away from human traffic .Bremerton. here's a message from a Firefighter/EMT/Hazmat Tech: You have no more business doing "do it yourself" metallurgy of this type than you have making your own fireworks or booze. cover the remainder with water. 2008 I am going to explain the easiest way to do this.Grand Rapids. You will have to crack the ceramic in a few places to accelerate the melt.hydrochloric and nitric acids. please at least warn the folks at 9-1-1 before you start. It is best to use a large ceramic coated cooks pot so you don't have to transfer the liquid later. And don't ask me to do too much readin! (No. never mind.morrow.html July 30. Washington Ed. However keep in mind that it can be extremely dangerous if you are not constantly paying attention. acids are very dangerous when you heat them. Wait.

I've carried out a literature search the results of which indicate that with the crucible furnace approach the temperature of the contents of the crucible must be such as to melt the precious metal under consideration for it to form a button of metal in the bottom of the mould. All must be MELTED (smelted)to a liquid or semi-liquid state in order to separate it from all other metals/minerals/waste. Gold. Mercury. Does this not fit in with your description of the two metals being melted? As I see it for any one who has. If any of you readers try this approach please report back on the minimum amount of litharge you can use and don't be so damn secretive. Some metals must undergo multiple smeltings to be purified to a level which makes "recovery/collection" feasible. Carry out a large scale fire assay approach and add litharge to the flux mix.. or can build a crucible furnace capable of melting bronze your still in the picture. you have been rather shy in coming back with answers but you may come back on this one. take what is left in the bottom of the pot to a refiner and they will refine it and pay you much more than you will get if you sell them whole. 2008 A query to Chuck .St. Yes. Iron. then dissolve the lead (and the palladium will also go) out of the button with nitric acid leaving the platinum behind. Put this on an old gas barbecue with a side burner and heat it . All metals give off varying degrees of toxic fumes during the smelting process. Petersburg. New Zealand August 22. 2008 .. Platinum . the acid will eat everything but gild and platinum metals . Zinc. Copper.truly DEADLY.. REMEMBER this is very dangerous but it works Angelo C retired . Steel. Florida August 21. there is always danger in attempting to extract precious or semi-precious metal due to the heat and gas-release aspect.Palmerston North. Different metals require different temperatures to melt/smelt/separate. What is the process for extraction/recovery of platinum from vehicle catalytic converters that makes it "risky" or "near-impossible" ? .. This means it takes a crucible furnace that can melt bronze if you want to recover silver or gold but you need a special crucible furnace that can reach above the upper limit of iron to at least melt the palladium which would act as a carrier metal for platinum which melts at a higher temperature. Bob Keen . Sliver.Hi Chuck. Aluminum. The PbO is reduced to lead which acts as a carrier metal for the precious metals. Tin.

. DON'T. i. IF YOU ARE THINKING OF STEALING CATALYTIC CONVERTERS TO SELL FOR PROFIT. Forget it. And further is it possible and feasible and cost effective? William Perry researcher . 2008 My. DON'T. Keep up the good work. Alabama October 27.cathode and anode for a 7 kw solid oxide fuel cell to produce electricity. This requires $millions. what a strange and interesting corner of the internet this is to have stumbled into.. let me say to others before they post: IF YOU ARE THINKING OF TRYING TO GET INTO THE PRECIOUS METALS EXTRACTION BUSINESS AS A SMALL TIME PERSONAL BUSINESS. just curious ..Houston. you are truly a wise man replying calmly to a variety of wildly different and equally stupid comments in your own due time. foundry equipment. Cheers Ian Vollers .West Blocton.. You can only profit from refining the platinum if you are set up to do it in a professional working environment.. Like how to separate the platinum from the other elements.. As an outsider having come in this subject with an impartial point of view and having reached a conclusion. Can anyone steer me in the right direction and method to obtain the elements that is inside the catalytic converter. Texas October 13.Jackson. Ted. 2008 Hi I have a reactor for leaching catalysts same catalytic convertors process is simple and .. It is a risky criminal venture and you'll be making probably about $50 off of it. G'Day ! . 2008 I am trying to come up with enough platinum from an automobile's catalytic converters to build the stacks.e. There are easier ways to scrounge up fifty bucks. rch Richard Howell ..and the ceramic that are found in cat converters. Mississippi August 26.

Mahmoodbeigi . I don't know how much of it is pure or not but I'm having a hard time finding a place i can sell to. DIGITAL SCALE $27..aluminum.hollis. U. and never the reverse. splashing concentrated acid out of the container! If you add acid to water. you form an extremely concentrated solution of acid initially. If anyone knows of a place it would be most helpful. 2008 I need to find the device that is used to identify which precious metal I have acquired. If you add water to acid.please reply.. Petersburg. NEVER ADD WATER TO ACID.Esfahan. 2008 Sorry folks had to say something on the subject.... the solution that forms is very dilute and the small amount of heat released is not enough to vaporize and spatter it. and zinc are hard for me to identify unless I already know what it is... Travis Watkins .Swansea. most discoveries are made from mistakes after all.. 2008 I was given some platinum shavings from my father in law.St. platinum.silver. Anyhow it's not anyone's place to say you shouldn't experiment with these suggestions. Dave tupps . But I will say: DO NOT LISTEN TO Angelo C retired .. Kentucky 6 ACID GOLD TEST KIT + PLUS ONE 600 GR. So if you know where to acquire one.. Dennis Klabel peddler .if not sorry for wasting your time. So Always Add Acid to water. November 21.89 2h 00m View all disclaimer December 15. So much heat is released that the solution may boil very violently.. Iran November 12. Wales.K...effective recovery platinum is 97% in this process we load pacol catalyst about 15 KG then add sodium cyanide 60 liter 1% after 2 h and 160 c platinum and other precious metals dissolve we recover solution on anionic resin after burning resin we have pure platinum then this platinum purified. I don't normally write on forums just read them. FL. Some precious metals are obvious but. Alaska .Lexington.

it may cause no problem. simple or not. P.. New Jersey December 19. Regards. I add another gallon of the same acid to the 5 gallon pail.. If you add water to an acid which is already sufficiently diluted.let's pretend I have a 5 gallon pail with 1 gallon of hydrochloric acid in it. at my place of employment.. When water and acid are mixed. and it's the safe procedure to learn. Petersburg.Neenah Wisconsin Hi. and never the reverse.St. Most of the new questions have been answered farther back. not the concentration. I must fill a 55 gallon drum with 10 gallons of hydrochloric acid and then dilute with 45 gallons of water. Chris Jones . 2008 "DO NOT LISTEN TO Angelo Casa retired . the heat of liberation can be great enough to flash that droplet of water to steam and blow concentrated acid out of the mixing container. finishing. The principle is that if a droplet of water is added to strong acid. So Always Add Acid to water. Never been a problem with it. everyone should be allowed to experiment with these processes and perhaps learn a better way to extract these precious metals. Once weekly. Ted Mooney.. FL.. So much heat is released that the solution may boil very violently. If you add water to acid. it's real stuff that has injured many people. Chris. 2008 I must add that thus far. As for being informed and the morality of "stealing" a process.December 21. I am only changing the volume of acid.E. you can have a situation where that droplet is surrounded by concentrated acid and as it begins to mix. Now. this is called the heat of liberation.. This isn't just book stuff. .. splashing concentrated acid out of the container! If you add acid to water. I think that you should read up and lean the do and don'ts of the process but in the end. heat is produced. But Angelo is correct about the principle.com Brick. the solution that forms is very dilute and the small amount of heat released is not enough to vaporize and spatter it. NEVER ADD WATER TO ACID. you form an extremely concentrated solution of acid initially. This has been done this way every week since the place opened in 1967." I completely disagree. it seems that some haven't even read the whole forum. and then you'll never have a problem wondering whether the acid is weak enough to keep you out of trouble.

The real reason. Ontario. there are places all around Minnesota that buy old cats. as for half full half empty they are talking bout how much stuff is inside the cat. like the bio diesel making system . Minnesota January 7. 2009 Ok I understand everybody's concern in the welfare of other's safety. they have the best cat prices. in Monticello MN they have Integrated Recycling. adding to the cat's original metal content.Alberta. You are in fact collecting these precious materials for someone else to make a lot of profit.... Others that actually take into consideration about the money they will make off you. will pay 50-75 dollars.not the bio diesel one ) ? Fahd Mellal . The process of extracting these materials was only partially aired on TV not too long ago where the spokesman of the company let slip that cats do the same filtering and collecting as his plant does through filtering emissions. This is why you can buy a $200 cat and 5 years later. platinum. some places even pay up to a hundred. This makes the cats more valuable than they actually started off as and this discovery had been made some 30 years ago. Good luck and be careful. You may be doing a small favor to the environment. though. you will learn that gold. Lisa Harrison hobbyist . even though the process is complex enough. but the refineries wouldn't be there unless it was absolutely worth it. Better to have the money in your pocket than someone else's. if you can see through the end it is hollow. the cat is still worth something just not the full price. Some scrap yards try to pay you the minimum price ($5). The cats actually catch these metal particles.. palladium. 2008 I thinking what most of the people want to know is if there is a complete prefabricated system we can buy and use to extract this metals. if it does. Mike Brown . that I am responding is if you check up about gas and other such fossil fuel emissions. If you can refine it yourself though the above mentioned process by the others. Canada December 26. etc. are found in these fuels and are released into the air upon burning. (no good) also if you shake it it should not make a noise if it is full.Willmar. Canada December 31. do so.. Think about it. I can understand but just cutting the cats open and the shipping all the insides to someone who is more trained and ...Ottawa. 2008 Cats are worth about $50-75 when the scrap prices are good. is there any companies who sell these system ? (the Metals recovering system . sell it for about $100 (where it just seems to be an old piece of junk) The gentleman had shown a tray of blackish powder and stated that its contents were platinum and palladium (mostly) and was worth over 3 million dollars.

This is becoming an epidemic. Pennsylvania January 17. Just remember. it is now legal in Texas to kill someone who is stealing from you. and I know of many people in my area who will be protecting their vehicles with a shotgun. as well as license plate number. There was a lot of good info that was given and very helpful. But from what I have noticed is 75% of the people that were asking about which ones were worth more or demanding to know how to refine/extract the rare minerals out are the thieves. If you are a scrap dealer. BTW. and possibly take a photo of the seller to insure that they can be reached if it turns out they have been buying and selling stolen parts. that someone seeking the "easy" (read that as idiot's) way to extract the precious metals is more than likely a thief. If there is a way that I can do this please share. Food for thought: If you don't want to take the time to read these posts or want to learn then your setting yourself up for failure. change your policies to force sellers of catcons to provide their photo ID. make and model of their vehicle. I ran across this after the catcon was stolen from under my 4Runner whilst at the grocery store. Thank You BRAD Bradley Kemp . Michael Manning .Pittsburgh. rather. Mine was stolen yesterday while it was parked outside my apartment. 2009 I spent the time reading through every post that was made. ask the scumbag thief if his/her life is worth getting caught. Good luck .experienced with the right resources in this type of field sounds like a good idea to me. 2009 Hello all. and I have heard of someone who has been hit 3 times. Texas January 31. In Seattle alone its a huge business stealing cats and from the looks of it its spreading all over the US.Round Rock. The thieves have been stealing from hard working people who may not really to be able to afford replacement parts. Do not ask me if the catcon is worth someone's life. I am just curious to see what type of money can really be made I am never shy of a new business venture.

but that has changed. a local cop.E. New Jersey February 5. There is so much confusion and disinformation in this thread I just had to say something. finishing. The bottom line is: There is no great mystery to metals refining and it is not hard. Regards. we are editing postings that claim that particular converters are 'better' to get hold of than others. David. The only way a small minority refiner can compete with larger more well heeled refiners is to have figured out a way to do the job smarter and cheaper. So as this trend of catalytic converter theft continues to spread. and get the same results. If we knew which posters (if any) were thieves. First. note that knowledge is power. because "better" can be code for "easier to steal". He noted that on some new models the converter can be removed with wrenches . I put myself out of business. I am not going to tell you how to refine the Platinum Group Metals (PGMs) either. we wouldn't print their inquiries :-) I reported earlier that my son. Once I tell the world that. P. Giving the fruits of that labor for free assigns no value to my work. light. there is a gold refining website I saw that tells you a lot more than I would have. I can't take it anymore. 2009 Hi. hadn't encountered catalytic converter theft -. I'm not going to use Ted's site to promote another. Second. in time and research and experimentation and labor. You can Google books on inorganic chemistry and just download . They just do as they saw their boss do.no saw or torch. That being said. Why? Because I paid for my education. and welding smoke to attract attention. I suggest learning chemistry well enough to know what is happening. Also. We'll let specialty sites that carry more detail guide the readers on which converters are more valuable.com Brick. Most people refining these metals don't have a clue as to the chemistry involved.Seattle Washington February 2.David Fiiola . and that has made them targets (because thieves can rob them en masse from a car dealership with less noise. 2009 Okay. Ted Mooney. Google it. Sorry that you were a victim of this theft.

2008 I too used to think like most of you until I talked to a gentleman who owns a bronze sculpture foundry. For that matter.If you can't understand that then you're out of luck. from this point on I am going to go over these posts from the start and add input. There are other oxidizers. Why would you use silica sand to flux an aluminosilicate? With the low temp of a bronze furnace. without heat (or w/ slight solar) in plastic buckets and barrels. dry and heat to 500 C to remove impurities... (And the term reflux might confuse many). ++++++ Recovery is dangerous and shouldn't be attempted by an untrained individual though.. you NEVER need to use Cyanides or hydrofluoric acid. or for Cat Con substrate. there is no simpler. +++++++ The process to do so is known as carbochlorination and the simplified textbook definition of the process is as follows: . There are many available online from the 1800s and early 1900s. You can get it easily and cheaply (free for electronics in most municipalities). it is someone trying to find a new more complicated way to do it. you would need a much more aggressive flux and the metals won't drop anyway. You also don't have to use Nitric acid. You should have the same level of knowledge and training needed for those. I in turn found out the secret.. wash with HCl. A Crucible and crucible furnace is all you need along with some borax and silica sand.. As an aside.. just a process someone tried to adapt to PGMs. Wha??? I don't know where to start on this one. This actually will get you some PGMs. The best you will get is micro-beads embedded in flux. There are a few more needed steps you are not told . evaporate. So. April 30. drop Cat Converters and concentrate on electronic scrap and low grade plated stuff. Why reinvent the wheel? Forget this manner completely. This is nonsense. However this is a teaser. treat with Ammonium chloride. The base metals also have value and will help you stay profitable. step by step method of doing this. but not all contained.. but I do want to help stop people from doing "stupid human tricks" in the mistaken belief they are learning something. I don't plan on giving you a guide to how I make my living. Or read De Re Metallica. it isn't even a process for PGMs. strain the resulting solution and dispose of the ceramic. It's no more dangerous than plating or finishing. HNO3). as I did. you can refine it at room temperature. and then you have almost pure platinum and palladium. There are safer substitutes. I am also going to suggest that all of you get rich quick guys.and read them. April 24. with cheap readily available chemicals. safely if you build your own scrubbers. 2008 Reflux the honeycomb in aqua regia (HCl. This is not the ordinary way to do it. BTW the metals from fire refining will be nowhere near pure. . in the library more than 30 years ago and use a search engine to find the modern terms for the archaic ones he uses (Although we still use "aqua regia").

Chuck was the smartest and closest poster yet... you might also have saved tin on the filter. You just told everyone to mix an acid with itself to extract. dental lab. Borax. July 22.. there's the rub. Electric kilns are not a good idea... Therefore your goal is not to produce absolutely pure metals. . muriatic acid so you can mix them in the right amounts to make the acid that is needed to extract the metals. August 21. August 8. in the end. 2008 I am going to explain the easiest way to do this. along with a graphite crucible The crucible will not last long with those oxidizing fluxes and you will need an awful lot of flux.. won't be pure enough for a plater) you will.. but simply highly purified metals.Where do you sell your gold when your done? Ah. commercial (technical) nitric will work very vigorously without adding water.use a combination of these five chemicals Manganese Dioxide. and Sodium Nitrate to remove the impurities from the gold. still be selling to a refiner. I agree: you're no rocket scientist. 2008 Carry out a large scale fire assay approach and add litharge to the flux mix This melt will take hours to drop the metals. However keep in mind that it can be extremely dangerous if you are not constantly paying attention.. Fumes and smoke.I was thinking of using an electric kiln capable of 2300 F. let's all just assume this guy is joking. June 13. 2008 . Unless you have an end user (caster. gold appears as a white powder on the filter Hope you didn't dump all that funny yellow green colored solution after you kept your "white powder on the filter". People. depending on how you used your nitric. Melt ceramic in a ceramic pot? How about melting ice in a block of ice? Chemically pure nitric acid? What is that? Water makes the acid work? Trust me. If so.. The lead fumes will get you an EPA summons. . Chuck? Chuck's method as listed is claptrap. The reason you refine your metals is to separate them so you can't be beaten in an assay or weighing. then you will need hydrochloric acid. you dumped the gold.. July 14. 2008 And by the way if your still wanting to try it all your selves. fluoride. Could you use these same chemicals when melting jewelry? This is for fire refining. In a really bizarre case... July 4. 2008 . .here.where is this guy? The EPA will lock your ass up. 2008 Perhaps the key to it is the flux's that Chuck uses! Any comments. In a jewelry melt it will not separate the silver or palladium. In most of these posts no one has examined the question of what to do with it once you have refined it. Period. But he points you in the right direction.. platinum and palladium and saved a filtrate of silver chloride (and maybe some mercury and lead chloride).after you dissolve the platinum you can recover it by filtering out the acid through a coffee filter. You will not get pure precious metals with fire refining. Silica flour. He will take his cut.

. that I am responding is if you check up about gas and other such fossil fuel emissions. Hydro-metallurgy is. 2009 Thanks. Gary Wilson . Pyro-metallurgy is not the way for the small operator to go. Gary. October 27. check this website for posts on testing the various metals. 1 bottle of nitric plus table salt. silver. The slag will be loaded with lead and illegal to dump except as a hazardous waste. aluminum. though. The metals in the exhaust are from your engine parts wearing and oxidizing and blowing past the rings via the oil.. as far as efficiencies and techniques. that was quite an exposition! Regards. Get a test kit from a jewelers supply company.. and have fun on your projects. 2008 in this process we load pacol catalyst about 15 KG then add sodium cyanide From what I have seen from the posts here. 2008 All must be MELTED (smelted)to a liquid or semi-liquid state in order to separate it from all other metals/minerals/waste. 2008 I need to find the device that is used to identify which precious metal I have acquired. palladium. November 21. Examining the slag under a microscope. set up safely. and zinc are hard for me to identify unless I already know what it is. a test stone. I received a lot of enjoyment in refining by making little discoveries no one else had. 1 bottle of nitric. If you dissolve the lead and palladium. and during the sulfuric acid treatment of the petroleum. NO ONE inquiring should ever touch cyanide. This sounds like an Eco Urban Myth to me. you will still see metal beads that didn't drop. platinum. Nothing NEEDS to be melted until you are ready to make it into a bar. I also found the chemistry itself to be fascinating. The metals in the fuels would be captured in the asphalt tailings left from distillation. Or get the test stone and the empty bottles and make your own. you will learn that gold. 2008 The real reason. Wrong. Good luck guys. New York February 12. are found in these fuels. what do you do to recover the palladium? August 22. For the other metals. Do your research first.. Some precious metals are obvious but.You will spend more money on fuel and litharge than you will make in PGMs. platinum. etc.Mount Vernon. and a set of test needles.. December 19.

I think if I cut the cats. and will cut into your profits significantly. P. separate the honeycomb. one of which I will expand on: how to sell the metal once it's purified. again more problems. but with my limited desire to play with extremely or mildly dangerous chemicals and also stay alive I will skip this. Right? Hello. The methods that Chuck suggested in heating will probably work if you have a better understanding of this process than I do. Now even if you've spent the money to get your Pt assayed.g. I will get more for my time and less potential lose to my health. The more valuable a metal is. New Jersey February 12. you will NOT get anywhere near top dollar. But.com Brick.Ted Mooney. increased hazard and risk. 2009 EASY MONEY. This generally means getting a representative sample of your batch assayed. 2009 i smelted my catalytic converter with a torch and got a silver metal of about the size of 4 quarters i was wondering what type of metal it is thanks yev yevgeniy ganchenko hobbyist. who's going to buy it? Most of . 2009 The company I work for refines semi-precious metals to semiconductor grade (7 nines). If your metal does not meet the grade. Going to an assay lab to get a single sample assayed is not cheap.e. I have also tried to smelt the gold from my cons using a furnace and flux. I appreciate the knowledge of others who are looking to recover platinum from cats. California March 27.Medford. Here is where economies of scale come in. with larger batches comes larger setup and equipment costs. Typically the prices that you find online for semi-precious and precious metals are for a specific grade . finishing. 4 nines purity. Oregon March 4. Scott Myers .99% pure. I am going back to primitive for gold recovery and will let the professionals do their thing with the platinum. and so on. . resulting in a certificate of analysis. I have played with acids (hydrofluoric) and others and created more problems than I started with in the "simple" recovery of gold from rock.E. I am not stupid nor a scientist.Sacramento. Good luck to any one who wants to do this in their garage. or 99. make your batch really big. the more your potential buyer is going to expect you to prove the purity. and your assay cost per kilo drops. Gary Wilson has made some excellent points. The chemical process seems to be the best.

Yes. has anyone tried to zone refine Pt? Thanks. Ted.hopefully I'll find an equally entertaining thread to read! Al E . . ( www.you think a complex process such as Pt-extraction. 2009 . and won't cost yours or your family's health. . . but if you don't have access to the customers who can and will pay top dollar. I plan to return . My question is. . easier. After reading this entire thread. my advice to some of you is that you shouldn't bother trying to extract the Pt yourself if: .the companies we deal with cannot buy from just anyone . note: if you're looking for entertainment in the dialogs. In fact they're trying to tell you what you NEED to hear .you're just not listening.Ted 12044 :-) March 30.shorinternational. in my opinion.you don't know the difference between HCl and muriatic acid. Concentrate the Pt.Glovertown NL Canada April 4.you don't know what a fume hood is. you won't likely get top dollar.you've never heard of PPE. for the informative site. my all-time favorite is letter -. I too am interested in refining Plat. It would seem the obvious and safest way would be to salvage the converters and store the guts of them into a drum for resale at a later date. By the way. Al. The easiest money. does anybody have any experience with the iShor system. 2009 Hi Ted.you think there's some sort of conspiracy afoot simply because no one is telling you what you WANT to hear. you will be able to sell your metal to someone out there.British Columbia.you don't know the difference between a gram and an ounce. or brain surgery can be explained in a simplistic step-by-step fashion via a blog. would be to follow the advice of Dale R.you have to be a qualified supplier or have a quality management system in place (in other words ISO certification). It's cleaner. but leave the refining for someone else. Canada ---Ed. . I have read through this entire thread as some others have.com) if so what were you results? Thanks Glenn Glenn Burry .

to filters. The old man made an offer. to what might be in Grandma's drawer. Judging by the equipment. had trouble moving. etc. to sell at 90% of spot. because of low corrosion. (He paid one woman more than 70%. because she had a sick child with her. and it's heavier than Pt!!! :) Of course I then ended up at "retrieving gold from computer parts". ambiance. That lead me to extraction. to flame assay. coins. he had the gold packed up. sell amounts based over spot. watches. glued to the laptop. I was hooked. From eBay. I was interested. I witnessed at least six transactions with actual customers. or other factors. 486s are good.). rejected some. but a necessity for something else. the discovery of Pt. Did you prospectors know this is used in cell phone capacitors. I read about alchemy. Pentiums not so much. That simple. from bullion and bars to coins and jewelry. kept others. up until this moment. whether the customer might come back. He used a calculator to reduce the weights to actual gold content. etc. in the processors. computers being my own acquired skill. I even spent a good ten minutes a good ten minutes on Tantalum. depending on quality. He literally begged to be able to leave and check a few places. I have spent the last five hours of my life. and help him set up a simple Excel spreadsheet for the weight/karat/price calculations. On Friday. potentially wasting a beautiful Saturday afternoon. While there. deny it. repeatedly. to aqua regia. based on karats of course. He was an old man. he stone tested it with acids. to Kitco. He weighed the material (necklaces. to other acids. to grams to ounces. and wireless printer from me last week for his new location. from buy amounts based on spot. car. the old man said no. He sold the gold. One customer had a 135 grams between a bracelet and a watch. a router.This has been fascinating! I work on computer systems for small offices. and said that he was driving over to his dealer. from contracts to futures. junk. from refiners to traders to storage facilities. upped it by $100 once. from Platinum to Gold to Silver to Rhodium to Palladium. He said those types of things come back to you. a watch movement). I left with him at the end of the day. price of gold. and they shook hands with an air of respect. to the . then he quoted a price. A "gold buyer" bought two laptops. if there were other items in the weight (stones. At that point. I must admit. That's the business. etc. it seemed as though he is no longer working out of a necessity for money. the gold is in the contacts. The seller sat in a chair for a full 30 minutes! He made a few calls on his cell. While working this morning I constantly got sidetracked searching for gold ounce. or spread the word to others. he once used a very expensive looking specific gravity machine because he wasn't sure about a piece. from Karat percentages. then told the man that if he left the offer would be void. From breaking up the parts first. based on 55% to 70% of spot. I installed the equipment. With no malice at all. sometimes on the PCBs. to Monex. or they might haggle for a few minutes. etc.) The customer would either accept the price. bullion.

I have never spent this much time reading a forum. I started to feel bad. even amongst all this great information. he loves computers like me. With hopeful eyes he asked "How can I make a game like Warcraft?" He looks up to me as knowledgeable. But still. (spring break. then extracted. 70s. Eventually. acquired skill sets. reports of thefts. and. Did you know that the Nobel peace prizes for two Danes were dissolved in Aqua Regia. Not ever in recent memory. after markets no good. I came across cats. I figured if I opened this can of worms. The son was there. I was speechless. . Then to American. They were stored on a shelf for ten years. based on sales and networking. Foreign. and presented again after WWII. based on a limited skill set. And I never post. even 90s are good. The barrage of questions never ended. to his credit. others have not. so the Nazis wouldn't steal them.philosopher's stone. He reminded me of myself when I was his age. graphic and sound files. or based prior family success just don't seem understand this. I attempted to talk about languages. I was asked the last question several months ago by a young 14 year old boy. Acquired skill sets are a unique tool. Which. recast. it might never end. but I didn't have the time to teach. That's how I found this site in my searches. 60s. The basic frustration of not JUST BEING TOLD HOW. The alchemists were great. a few weeks ago. understand this. I love Ted's well mannered and well thought out mediations. industry articles. To quote another poster "quite an unusual an interesting corner of the internet". but not as good after that. Some people have taken the time to acquire them. is an understood human condition. they were getting more insightful. he couldn't sit at a computer and even start. pre-cors also have value. and my work was done. You can't ask the questions: How do I trade futures? How do I open a bank? How do I transplant a heart? How do I program a computer? etc. I found myself at the client's office at 3 pm on a Saturday. based on brute force or labor. People whose work is repetitive. or just have. People who earn. I would see this young man every couple of weeks. What? Catalytic Converters? This of course led me to junkyards. multiple skill sets required. automotive sites. Somewhere in the mix of gold extraction. who is the son of one of my clients. He had his home computer hooked up. was the surprise of the day.

There was a small laser sound that the kid made into the microphone below the monitor. etc. I had some time. I would then humble myself. contact a refiner. I might spend a couple hundred on buckets. pick up an old kitchen hood for sure. That is the most profitable position in the supply chain that you can put yourself in with the lowest risk and knowledge. and a small bullet that fired when the space bar was pushed. I don't necessarily want you to tell. I started him off with a one-button form. real estate is tough right now). In the meantime. We downloaded Paint Shop Pro. I just might buy a couple books on hydro-metallugry. that gives the human motivation to develop skill. Even the academic license is over $300. If you've got a hundred or so. I would fail miserably. contributing. Guys and Gals. After reading for a couple of weekends. upset the girlfriend. is to buy them right. read some more. that was played when the bullet fired. from the last position of the image. After three to six months. and set up a table in the driveway. and a trial copy of Visual Studio. it is the enticement of reward. I would venture outside and try to extract from a core. and the true point of the journey. etc. I imagine I can figure this out with experimentation. It felt great. Goldwave (for sound). but a small price to pay when put in perspective. The Pt is the reward. and trailed off the screen. I'd rather spend a couple weekends learning. so I sat down. of less than 1 gram of Pt. I never touched the keyboard. Three hours later he had a still picture of a little man. and maybe finishing up with beers and pizzas. and I can't wait to see what he's come up with. you should have seen the look on this kid's face. do some more searches. This is not a discipline that will net you profit in the short term. whether you actually end up with enough to be profitable is almost moot. His father said he hasn't left the computer since! I'm sure we'll have another session. maybe make a few posts. I'd probably be able to extract a small globule. and collect the honeycomb/beads. For those that aren't acquainted. that is often considered the ceremonial start of every programmer's career. end up with something I don't know what to do with. As with my friend above. filters. maybe a good vise.and he had to go into the office with his dad everyday. acids. My conclusion from today is that the best method of profiting from cats. is far more valuable. a few scrapes on my knuckles and forearms. 1 to 3 weekends a month. He did it all. watching. This would be at the end of what would have become an . I taught. Just keep them for a minute. recorded with Goldwave and incorporated into Visual Studio. socializing. The skill acquired if actually successful. a couple higher grade saw blades.). moving around the screen at the command of the arrow keys. To those of you here that have such skills. strip the core yourself (I am a fairly well acquainted with light contracting and auto repair. The only casualty is that Dad will probably have to buy the full version of Visual Studio. that when pushed prints "Hello World!". bowls. if only you were local. It's like a small bank account.

2009 I have honeycomb material from several used converters. Ted.. to train the mind.. time and materials. deliberate. acquired skill. But. gold plated jewelry. programming. "Give me a chopper pilot program Tank!" But trust me. and EXPERIENCE. etc. but I really hope you include this. over time. it won't be as much fun. (or woman) PLENTY of wonderful women in science. I hope I have accomplished my goal. In the end. and networking. I'd spend even more time on this. Where can I have it sent for processing. 2 Lexus LS400). and is there a typical amount expected (1 Honda.Louisville. you have to put in the time. and acquiring skill over time. I will have acquired some very valuable. try more variations. gold filled jewelry. the amount recovered might justify my streamlined process. It has to be acquired. it's just that it doesn't work that way. read more. Some of the people on this forum know metallurgy. combs. six to nine months total. There is just as much joy in And more importantly. The old man knows gold and jewelry. That's how acquired skill works. the man will make himself wealthy.. the difference wouldn't justify the TOTAL labor. attentive. Ross Lerner . It would be able to consistently extract metal from beads. I would have a reasonable set of beginner hydro-metallurgy skills. You can't cheapen the knowledge acquired by great scientists. the learning tempers the spirit. time-consuming process. At that point. hard workers. No matter what. After another three to six months. and people! I know small office computers.San Jose. S. I think I'll find that if I just sold my cores I would have made enough money. Kentucky April 6.EUREKA!!!! It would feel great! I'd be damn proud of my little gram of Pt! I'd step up my efforts. We only have time for so many. By being patient. Jason Jegge buyer . I know you have a position against ad hominem posts. I would be able to justify the labor and materials required for the profit. and patient men. and very satisfying KNOWLEDGE. It's not that people don't want to tell you. computer boards. California . Perhaps one day the Matrix programming disks will be available. SKILL.. permanent endeavor. It is quite the reverse. But.eight to fifteen step tedious. unless I chose this as a new. just to use it in a weekend to make a buck. I have attempted to address a theme that is central to this thread. and creates responsibility.

patented or copyrighted etc for a time being to enjoy the fruits of your labor and opt . 2009 i have read all of the forums but I have yet to understand where do you sell them !!!! i live in NC and i am still trying to understand who do i sell to a refinery or a recycler. you should smelt the whole "catcon" in an electric arc-furnace with scrap steel. Alonso Borrero hobbyist . If you have a yard with a tree cast a rope around a heavy branch and tie up the cat. Colombia April 30. 2009 I have found the perfect. 2009 Hello and here's my 2 cents (which if smelted or melted or schmelted is not as much as two cents from a century ago but I digress) . maybe I've been breathing too many cc fumes but it is close and has a lot of the elements. Provide each kid with a steel bar and have them take turns beating on the cat.I was actually looking up information for symptoms of a clogged catalytic converter (cc) & since I usu. to have your own arc-furnace? Can this be done in your backyard? Thank you. 2009 Hi. I wonder how expensive will it be. but also and just as important is the freedom of information point I'd like to share. Once the cat has been ruptured tell them to pick up all the metal that falls out and place in the bucket for recovery. Will it be possible to recover pgm's from catalytic converters? I've read that. After many months of experimenting with acids I have finally recovered some gold from electronic scrap. Atlantico. granulate the new alloy. reasonably cheap means to extract the Precious Metals from the Cat. Best to all Bob Bayle government . I see it basically at present like this: if looking in the long term no ones goals really contradict unless they are destructive what I mean is that if you are a small business person (who I admire) you might want to have your work trademarked.Barranquilla. If they are disappointed that there was no candy tell then the next Cat you are going to hang has the candy. Get the neighborhood kids over to the house and tell them the cat is a pinada. After reading this though I have a real practical question. thanks bec becky wilhelm car business . Virginia May 5. dissolve with sulfuric acid and the precious metals will be left behind.Springfield. Repeat these steps until all precious metals have been retrieved. which after page one I was hoping the pages wouldn't go too fast but now I have to get back to my original task of troubleshooting my car but have been sucked into this post this is to me a microcosm of everything people have been discussing since Plato and beyond. look pretty thoroughly I eventually found a site that says one probably could sell the cc if replacing so then I decided to look up selling cc and found this.April 18.newton North Carolina May 13.

you would know it if you seen it. and the money they make is also going to the benefit of the economy and who knows potentially but it does require the teacher to be an anode to the cathode but they wouldn't mind so much if they also got to learn from others that made their steps easier and like I said it in the long run I think is always better. From what I've read I think that using a HHO gas torch may be a good way to get those high temperatures in a safe way what does anyone think? You can look up easily HHO torches they get really hot and cool really fast and they are real just like oxy or butane the flame itself is only 259 F but when in contact with other metals can get up to 10.not a lot. I must add.we have to expose the weaknesses so we can brainstorm not hide them. All that said I do understand the market and patents etc so it is up to the individual of course and information cannot be forced to be shared and people should have incentive however we all could be driving hydro cars and be energy independent and have other newer and unknown issues yet to be discovered if we were more long term seers.lead by example like Ted . and he claims that for the trouble it is worth. just look at the examples of software and computer viruses etc open source is a good thing and hiding information is actually more destructive and is only a mirage of safety which is actually more destructive.. and another example goes to taking off the posts which displayed what cars have better value for their cc so they are not as much of victims. Anyway. Think of it this . in their own way and it is informative I mean I don't expect anyone to actually hand me a free cc now. well they might be the ones who might be more interested so they would know they might be more of a victim Taking that post down I think is just conceding to that fear in the back of our minds of trying to please everybody .I understand that. but you go into buying some of the materials. also I may be a good golfer and share secrets but you'll still never get it till you practice anyways so I would really have no fear in sharing those but I guess we can all agree to disagree and any experience with HHO gas torches to extract metals. have been a little knowledge hungry and may bite the hand that feeds however most are not..full free information always (in the long term maybe not the short) has unanimous good results and do not contradict each other that is why a country like the USA has prospered and why secretive ones stay stagnant and dark but I am looking at things in decades not days . also the other side of the coin (I did say my two cents lol) if people from a young age and all through history shared information and it was accessible to everyone we may not even be having this discussion . Most people would not know it.Sarasota. what are you going to do . Ted you are doing a good job and I also have enjoyed your thoughtful approach. and I have to hand it to you guys. converters have came up in conversation. and tools used for separating metals. If you have ever seen this mans garage. chemically or by heat you are looking into getting into a lot of money.000 degrees and more. it's laid out pretty straightforward here. Thomas Key .it would be basic 6th grade or 3rd grade science and we'd probably be exploring for platinum on other star systems because if the new learner always got to learn from all the mistakes from the teacher (I'll say) then their time could be cut and they would have new mistakes not yet made to learn from and so on. There is a not so intelligent person who works with said family member who has been able to refine and extract such metals. it looks like a ghetto factory. Some .and a lot of people have shared a lot of information. unless you have the equipment to do around 1200 converters at one time it is not worth it. 2009 My brother-in-law works in such a refinery. Florida July 10.

The weekend after that you will most likely end up with your substance in pure form. The trouble that our friend had was that there is no one who is respectively going to buy said metals from a person. . and I know a clown walking across a yard with a stick swearing there is water under a patch of dry sand when I see one. it would seem that every town would have 15 or so of the places. especially with no knowledge. If it was so cost effective to do it in such small amounts. I am only a 29 year old Well Driller. No knowledge required. possibly even everyone around you. Please for your safety and the those around you. DO NOT try using chemicals that you don't understand. These were step by step instructions and I guess that the chemistry and knowledge involved is way more complicated than purifying metals out of catalysts.. we will say 15. We joked about it at his house over a few " select beverages ". North Carolina July 13. then be our guest you already have enough money to not really need to extract the precious metals. if you really think you have all of the money to get into something like this from a dead start.. etc. Around my area everyone swears to the idea that you can use a smelting pot to separate the metals in a converter.Fayetteville. and techniques used to extract said metals would not really be cost effective unless you had a bunch of them to do at one time ( kind of hints to why they have giant refinery places to do such things ).. Not all metals work that way. who not only does not know what they have.1500 degrees would not just turn these metals directly to liquid? These are not lead fishing weights people. 2009 There used to be instructions online spanning over several pages on how to synthesize illicit drugs. MDMA. maybe around 1. You spent one weekend looking up the terms and chemicals and understanding the process. Don't seem to much harder then flipping a burger. amphetamines. the other weekend you will be preparing and organizing the equipment and the most difficult part will be to actually obtain the chemicals. If smelting in a pot would separate the metals. you can see them especially good at night.000 dollars for the basic materials and equipment. no qualification. but also would not be a constant resource for them to rely on for buying said materials. your going to have even more tied up into it it when someone finds out what your doing because of the danger that your putting other stuff in. do you really think that exhaust at like 900 . not to mention that you have to have a safe place to set up said refinery. Please use your head for something more then a hat rack people. Joel Langford ... Next thing I know I am going to see one of the names from this thread swearing they can make sticks of TNT from a candle and gunpowder with chewing gum.000 payout for your customers that you will be having to buy said converters from.. at this point your just wanting a grown child's chem lab in your back yard. ever seen a clogged converter? They get red hot under a car. anyone could do it with enough effort. So far on this whole thread I think I have only seen about 3 people that remotely know what they are talking about. and it seems like everyone that was there at the time came to the same conclusion.way. right? I am now moving on to find the Candlestick TNT blog I was speaking of earlier. some of this stuff can get dangerous. LSD. And I am sure you 3 know who you are. the correct value of what they have..

Tim Mooney Timothy Mooney . It's somewhat a pity. Germany July 13. when I could.The problem will never be to actually do it. My only problem is a lot of the honeycomb broke in pieces as fine as the platinum flakes. Tennessee . and whether or not it would be possible to render the ceramics containing these metals into a powder form to use as a mix in a firing glaze for pottery. its just PVC tubs and clear 3/4 inch hose with a battery charger [link is to product info at Amazon] and a small pump. The honeycomb had to be cracked to come out but it came out with the platinum flakes. every word.Murfreesboro. It will be an interesting experiment. really. My hammer. 2009 I was going to ask a simple question about the CONTENT of precious metals in "cats". Iowa ---Ed... 2009 I have a machine that extracts the pgm's from catalytic converters and it is not the easiest to do It takes a lot of time a nice facility to work in but if you seen the machine you would laugh and call me a liar.. Other than taking a tweezer to it is there any other way to separate it? Terrance Miller . Dustin B . But after reading the entire post (yes. . note: If you do not consider it secret knowledge.). I have ground my own pigments for my paints for forty years. but how to get there. As said before.. that first sculpture. . and am only now venturing into the new world of three-dimensional earthen-ware art. and S. If you are trying to sell this knowledge. a straight and simple instruction would devalue the skills and knowledge required to write it. Tennessee July 13.. with the right combination of chemicals and temperature the pgms get get pulled out onto carbon plates. I simply want to thank you for your patience and learned knowledge. grinder. kiln and iron pot shall suffice.. 2009 I put a hole in a catalytic converter I found while picking up trash(honestly). Andreas Borchert ..Talbott.Berlin. the site's supporting advertisers must be running out of patience being asked to pay the costs of posting other people's ads :-) July 16. Dustin. Ross Lerner's wonderful contribution. please take an advertisement . please tell us what the right temperature and combination of chemicals is.Earlham..

Are there any other solvents able to dissolve these noble metals? Also. Do you oxidize and dissolve the metal and then reduce it somehow and collect it that way. I checked Wikipedia and it's a 3 step process. 2009 I'm interested in recycling catalytic converters. New York August 3. mix with a small amount of water (in a glass container of course) and you should get it at the 37% concentration. My question is: How is the price of converters defined? I would appreciate any help.July 28. I was also looking into the possibility of making my own chemicals when reaching a large scale operation. 2009--"Pyro-metallurgy is not the way for the small operator to go. what is the process of extracting platinum from catalytic converters that have been discussed thus far. I forget). I received a follow-up phone call and I just told them that I was using the chemicals to extract platinum from catalytic converters. Castor Marconi .. This is theoretical though. Makes sense!!! Hey what are the other safer oxidizing agents you are talking about.. Just collect Cl gas at one end and H gas at the other (cathode or anode. then I would pulverize . 2009 This is what I would do. 2009 Ordering the chemicals is not so difficult.New York. If in case the platinum is infused or trapped in the other materials of the cat. HCl is relatively easy to make by electrolysis of Salt water. Indiana August 14. I would put it in a furnace for melting metals and I would leave it in there until all the platinum has melted off and dripped into a place where it could collect.I am kind of stuck because i am not sure what price is good for each catalytic converter. 2009 So. HNO3 is harder to manufacture though. Steven Smith . gold and platinum can be dissolved in aqua regia. Those 3 should cover the aqua regia.Red Bluff. Eljon Ago hobbyist . Hydro-metallurgy is". God bless. or do you just melt it down? What seems best? February 5. California July 30.Bloomington.

Now a new truck sells for around $35. The amount of . All you guys just take a tip from me. aftermarket converters are not regulated. Now look at rhodium that melts at 3567 F and Platinum somewhere around 3215 F.the material first to allow the platinum to melt freely into a high heat resistant container.. I think it highly unlikely that a torch would melt any of these materials.6 L and the cat will need to refine the exhausted fumes in larger portion. I feel there a few people here that lack the understanding of how a cat works and why.. i must say that some people just lack common sense. Now for the scrap value. figure that out then ask the questions. Bretto from the Ghetto. happy reclamations xxx Brett Ross . 2009 After reading some of the responses on the site. why can we buy a cat for $60 when they are worth more. It all gets melted. 2009 I was in scrap metal recycling/reclamation years ago as a family business in the UK and cats were not around then but I know from experience how costly it is to extract these metals. Just heat will not suffice for the separation of materials. When a car is sold new it must pass omission regulations set by the government. Cats do contain a few precious metals as we have learned here. ZenTed as I will call him! I have never been so deeply engrossed with a forum in the 12 years I have been with internet! I gave up metals in the 1980s to follow my other preoccupation of music composition.. I think that it doesn't take any more than a little commons sense to get the platinum. As Ted stated a few months back. right? Find out if there are any laws to abide by in melting it. Over time the metals do come out of the exhaust and onto the road. and listen to Ted. its AFTERMARKET. Simple. Ray Soriano . The value is determined by how much the cat would usually contain.. Steel and ceramic have a much lower melting point. Maybe you might have to comply to laws about not releasing fumes into the atmosphere or something.Sac. and only recently have started looking at metal prices again. These catalytic converters contain little to no precious metals..Hastings.000+ so at that price a manufacturer can afford to spend a little money to manufacture a cat that will last and be efficient.. UK September 15. I would guess people on here want a list of vehicles so they can go out tonight with a hack saw. a large US made truck with a 6L engine will emit more o2 into the atmosphere than a small Honda with a 1. Now lets look at the vehicle. California September 3. Top marks to Ted for keeping this forum on a level footing.

an AFTERMARKET cat will get you a whopping $2-$5!! Ford usually $40-$60 and Dodge around $30-$60. Everyone has to make a profit in the process so you will never get the $3600 out of it unless you have the pure metal in your hand. think of the effort involved! Have you ever tried to crawl under a car with a hack saw and cut the 3" steel pipe? It doesn't take minutes. Crawling under a vehicle. you can spend an hour under there without the risk of getting noticed. Before we all rush out and start hacking cats off our neighborhood cars. I have an 02 Silverado and it has 2 cats rather than the 1 cat in older vehicles. This means that my 2 cats contain less metals together than 1 of the older and larger ones. This isn't a lucrative business and more for the person who lives off $100 a week. It is also illegal to sell a vehicle without a cat and most of the time a dealer wont take a trade on one without it.$150. Another thing to think about is now scrap dealers want a title to the vehicle it came off of and an ID before they will buy a converter. scrap dealers and "car guys" have known cats are worth something so why is this so new to everyone else? And for the idiot on here that said he wanted to resell them. Virginia September 19. Pt.precious metals is very little and whoever on here said there is as much as 2 oz of metal needs to show me those cats! at somewhere around $1800 an ounce scrap. it is illegal to sell a used cat. Then you take your cats to a dealer and its quick cash. they are light weight and untraceable. 2009 Easy Peasy Tame Aqua regia extraction of PGM blacks (Pd. Cats contain a FRACTION OF AN OUNCE of precious metals which lightly coats its ceramic contents (honeycomb or beads). a sawzall will get it done quickly but is VERY noisy. The older trucks did not have 02 sensors so the first thing a truck owner did for a modification was remove the cat that restricted airflow. The reason for the theft is because its a high and easy return and low risk. Its no secret that older GM cats (about the size of a muffler) can get you top dollar at a scrap dealer. Why?? more power and better fuel economy (and it makes it louder too!). Oh and o2 sensors contain the precious metals as well!! But you need about 50 pounds of them to make a reasonable amount of money off of them. Nathan Bastings . The you will find that most of the older GM trucks have the cat removed already and a straight pipe in place.. the 2 oz cat would probably net you $800 at a scrap yard. Top dollar is around $100 . 1) Roast ground biscuit at 500 C in old kiln ($100 US .Norfolk.Use ceramic bakery bowl . Hope this helps to enlighten some of the "lets get rich quick" people on here and shows its not smart to try to steal them.ebay) 2)1 part biscuit(wt) 1 part HNO3 (vol) 3 parts HCL (vol) 3)Room temp 3 to 7 days until max colour in AR and biscuit white.. Rh) from catalytic converters. it takes a good half hour.

It is not a rag to riches method of making money. Step 3 can be carried out in a crock pot at simmer temp over 4 .5 approx with soda ash (Na2CO3)( little pH meter off ebay $20 US) 9) Add Zinc Pdr ( from ebay). I currently get paid $60 NZ after a $150 NZ analysis is carried out in Hong Kong.5 h.Pestal a 51/2 foot 1 inch dia iron rod welded to a 81/2 inch long 21/2 inch dia iron rod . Bob Keen Retired Principal Scientist(NZDRI) Palmerston Nth New Zealand. Note 4.Mortar 13 inch dia pipe 12 inch high welded onto a square iron base.30 min. It only takes 10 min to grind in my mortar & pestal. Stir 2X daily ceramic spoon (ebay $6 US) 4)Stir in urea to neutralize HNO3 (until fizzing stops) 5) Pour all in 20l tall narrow plastic pail & make up to 121 approx with rain water. you need to know your cats. Note 1. I decan cat cons within 10 min. 15) A number of extraction can be carried out simultaneously. from local hardware store $12 US for card of 3) . Chris Anderson Massey University NZ) therefore it is not unreasonable to find that AR will dissolve the PGM nanoparticles in cat. ebay refers to New Zealands Trademe which is virtually equivalent. 16) Find a precious metal dealer who will buy PGM blacks.5 US. I drill a dozen or so holes with a 12 mm x 400 mm masonry drill (made in China. 10)Acidify to pH 1. Best of luck to those that try this method. Continue to stir off & on for a further 30 min. many high mileage cats only contain a gram of PGM blacks.wt 19 lb. cons. 14)Transfer small beaker. 6) Leave over night for sediment to settle 7) Decant into 20l plastic bucket.Palmerston Nth. Stir ceramic spoon.5 approx or until orange brown ppt dissolves leaving a black sediment. Gold requires AR for dissolution but nanoparticles will dissolve in 2N HCL (Papers by Dr.Using a long stout screw driver & hammer as lever & chisel I can quickly break biscuit up and empty out the pieces. carefully pour off excess water.121 vol. 3 rounded teaspoons (1 kg biscuit originally used)added slowly with stirring over 15 .Leave overnight and a lot of excess Zn will dissolve. made in china.its like drilling into butter. Note 6. 13) Wash twice and decant with rain water. Note 5. stir until evolution of H2 ceases and then leave over night. Note 2. Huge volumes of very toxic gas are released which strip all leaves off nearby vegetation and will kill nearby caged animals.If a blockage I ram through the handle of my 19 lb pestal which clears the blockage instantly. No fumes released.local discount shop $2. Note 3. Bob Keen . Wash residue with more water & decant when clear into following batch. New Zealand Addendum to Easy Peasy AR method PGM blacks are weakly paramagnetic.dry in oven. I find the the PGM blacks can be more rapidly settled onto the bottom of . 11) Decant and transfer PGM blacks plus some Zn to 2 l beaker (ebay $10 US approx) 12)Add 1 liter 2N HCL. 8)Neutralise to pH 2. Cover glass plate.

the chance of blowing yourself up. At the risk of sounding stupid (and not wanting to start a new thread).. but I'm finally at the end. Maybe a contribution. uh. and make more of a profit by producing electroplated auto.. it would have to have all the "secrets".. etc.. Steve Cerny ..i extract the platinum for making jewelry. diversify. The how-to with photos and directions could be put into a PDF file.00 US.so i gathered all the material and got a 5 gal bucket and put a window screen over it and placed the material on the . Of course. There used to be a book from Lindsey's by Carr (I think). a Copper anode (I guess). and available to those who make a contribution to the site. and hook them up to a controller/battery/solar panel? I know there would still be chemicals.once i got through i found a strange honey comb and a paper like substance that was full of tiny pieces of platinum.hillsborough.. Great site! "I'll be back". large ceramic magnet under the bottom of the holding vessel. would it be easier to dump the beads/flakes into a gallon glass jar of electrolyte. Oklahoma October 13. airplane. but it could be small scale and a small investment. fumes. September 24. like • Control of electrolyte formulation and pH (a measure of acidity or alkalinity) • Control of electrical conditions • Control of temperature And a bunch of warnings like "don't drink the electrolyte". I've always wondered about this. even small (or large) pure Platinum cathodes.. and for some. 2009 Very interesting! Took a while to read. "don't touch the electrode thingys to your tongue to see if the battery still has a charge". AND pass an IQ test...all i did was use a saw to cut through the metal.Oklahoma City. Just my 4:01 AM thoughts after reading these 4 pages. 2009 getting platinum is so easy.... new/better equipment the backyard scrap dealer could expand.. Or stay small. I bought a very large ceramic magnet off ebay for $8. I never bought it. medical (things).. 2009 is there a way i can "cook" the platinum out at home and how hot would the heat have to be.. add a (small) pure Platinum cathode...the plastic pails and beakers by placing a very strong. james carlon . jewelry. North Carolina September 27. After some profit. and now it's hard to find. some knowledge.

.so once i turned the paper to ashes i simply used my breath to blow the ashes away... But in those days the ceramic honeycombs and only the honeycombs were dipped into the precious metal slurry..i collected it and used a torch to burn the paper away now I'm not sure what the paper is so i wore a mask to protect myself i suggest u do the same.kannapolis NC cabarrus county October 27...i had to use a cutting or also known as a blow torch used for melting steel to do it.leaving only tiny pieces of platinum left.then i let the water settle and allowed the sift to fall to the bottom.now here is the hard part.. 2009 Hi.. Andrew.not many people have a cutting torch in trier garage.now i had a dry powder with the metal......but the paper still held some moisture so i just set the bucket in the sun and let it dry it the rest of the way..but the only problem is that since i wanted to melt the platinum down for making jewelry i had to obviously melt it. Andrew Gould . In those days they did not use any "beads".and u cant just use a pencil torch to melt it... So whatever stuff you found that was elsewhere but not in the ...i don't know why people want to make it some big secret. so I am unfamiliar with the beads I hear of today.screen over the bucket.000 degrees to melt.mudgee Australia nsw October 27........it took like 20 min to get all the water out.anyway I've done this process many times with success.... Many years ago (1981). 2009 hey guys u don't have 2 be a genius to get the platinum out of the catalytic converters i wanted my car loud so i decided 2 punch the ceramic honey comb out of the converter using a hammer and a flat blade screw driver go 2 town on it then i found the platinum in a cloth like material get rid of the honey comb no platinum in that keep the cloth i used a fly screen n a container using water i sifted it in a container like a gold panner would have fun any 1 can do i got heaps of platinum :) mark horizon ....but platinum has a high tolerance for heat.but u can buy them for a couple hundred bucks or find someone who has one.. hi.. I was involved in building the machinery for a catalytic convertor factory..and discarded the honey comb....once it did i just slowly poured the water out of the bucket but once the water level got too low that the metal and stuff wanted to pour out too all i did was take a cloth rag and used it to absorb the water..so it takes about 3. Mark. and I can't comment on whether the beads contain precious metals or not...and used a garden hose to wash the paper and platinum off the honey comb.. and spent a fair amount of time there...

. 2009 is the platinum and palladium in the honeycomb or is it the dust and charcoal like substance that comes out of convertor when you extract inside contents of the convertor thanks a lot.. that's 40 to 200 $ in platinum alone at full value. not good enough for you.. I done some electronic scrap and there are some things you will need to be careful with. like copper. ( no not telling) you're all here to learn about cats. 2009 after a lot of reading in other places pt per cat runs about 1 to 5 grams each. My advice to every one is read every thing. I've developed a safe device that will greatly concentrate any mineral matrix containing PGMS. I use air.. just removing the case is concentrating the values (PGMS) You have removed about 5 to 10 lbs of Iron. what.honeycomb doesn't sound like the precious metals to me :-) Those 'heaps of platinum' may be piles of soot :-( Regards. and will have to be able to measure your efforts and not just wonder if it's working or not.E. not bombs. have a good day Michael kelly .. there are dangers with this. New Jersey November 11.sneads ferry. today's prices.Oops letting my opinions show. do the research. the rest of you ..aurora Colorado .com Brick. (its not any harder than making a gas oil mix for the chainsaw.... P. Michael. you can then get a professional assay and try to sell to a mine or mill that is currently dealing with platinum. start collecting all items with pgms . figure out how you're going to deal with fumes..) . iron. for very detailed info look up the (gold refiners forum) on line. North Carolina November 20.. waste and byproducts. and from what I have seen here. want to go farther? with each step of the process you are concentrating. good luck BRYAN BRYAN SMITH . finishing.. and can now sell your ceramic containing PGMS at a much higher price. they have plenty of experts there that can help most of you do this as a hobby scale project. plastic. Ted Mooney. water and a few biodegradable chems and naturals. if you mix the wrong 2 things you will get a high explosive that's unstable. a few of you might want to be very afraid of this stuff.

I'm not going to write the rest of the process nor will anyone who knows how to do it and I'll tell you why. So what do I do? I can sell my coats for $50 and take a portion of his sales or undercut his price and sell more but make less profit. we shouldn't have ever done this kind of thing.MONROE LOUISIANA December 2. And the undercutting goes on and on until there's no profit left. Do not crush the comb up just chunk it into inch or so pieces. we brought a hose in and sprayed. don't even try them. Tom Jamison . my friend went to the hospital and had to have stitches. the garage set on fire.deming.Anaheim. Aftermarkets are junk. as are ford and Chrysler. Lets say I'm in the coat business and I get a wicked buy on coats at $10 per. which caused so much smoke all we could do was run. try not to get any metal filings into the comb material. which burned through. New Mexico . You are now ready to do an assay on the material to get an idea as to how much pgm you can expect from your batch (30 cats is a pretty good batch) To do a ball assay you need a small furnace some crucibles etc. the next step is to remove as much carbon as possible from the material by heating to RED hot then blowing oxygen on the material before it cools. 2009 The first step in the process is to remove the comb. You NEED to do the assay or you will not have any idea when to stop the extraction process. 2009 well me and my friends went out and got some Cats. We then tried to extract the metals by using the crucible method that was written on here. it started smoking very quick and then popped really loudly.November 28. josh slocomb .All Asians. GM. 2009 TO BREAK DOWN A CATALYTIC CONVERTOR YOU FIRST TAKE THE COMBING AND BREAK IT DOWN IN SULFURIC ACID THE PLATINUM WILL SETTLE TO THE BOTTOM SHAKE A FEW TIMES WHEN DISSOLVED AND LET SETTLE THEN YOU HEAT THEN A MIXTURE OF MURIATIC ACID AND HYDROCHLORIC ACID MIXED TO EAT THE BASE METALS AND LEAVE THE PLATINUM ONLY THE MELT CAST AND SERVE DEREM MCCOLLUM .The ball assay will tell you how much pgm to expect per pound of comb. California November 28. little drops of fire went all over the garage and my friend caught one on the side of his face. Cats have different amounts of pgm's depending on the manufacturer. and he has a scar on his face now. I look around at my competitors and they're selling the same coat for $50 per. There are ways to extract that are so safe you don't even need a mask and then there are ways that are so dangerous that it's like being in a gas chamber. and euro(except VW) have hi pgm content.

how ever since an aftermarket cat goes for $4 and it has 1. if you can get 40 of the after market cats .I.. Nobody wants you to know for a real good reason (MONEY) I witnessed a man sell a few hundred mixed converters for $16. After saying all that don't do this with any other cats unless you can get 200 to 300 cats at an average price of $50 each. it is the K.. Yep I know that was stupid. 2009 I'm now in the cat buying game.00 in platinum. I tried to convince him not to sell. used to recover platinum from spent catalyst. I suggest we pool our collection. 2009 My advice to all of you that have old Catalytic Converters. December 21.000.000. That way we can cut out the middle man. The answer to some of your questions. and the cost of the 40 cats was 4x40=$160 don't forget to recycle the iron maybe about $10 experience says it takes 1 hr to go to some place to get a cat and get back home 40 cats =40 hrs 374 divided by 40 is $9. is to hold on to them. I have been researching this for a long time.5 a pound.S.000. I can sell to any one that wants to buy a cat. Knowing what I know I tried to tell him they were worth much much more than that.5 . I buy low and sell high. if you don't then be sure to keep the ceramic honey comb in the can and sell them for more than you bought them for. Buyers deal in small numbers so as to sell in large numbers.S thing .5x50= $375 minus the cost of shipping. you can ship 50 pounds in a prepay box and get the 7. One of the acids was Aqua Regia. make your price list 30% less than what you can sell them for and you may make 30%. If you do the refining hoping to .37 an hr the real trick is getting the 40 cats.2 pounds of ceramic honey comb in it and that sells for $7. Buy low and sell high you will do fine .000 If you have that much cash you can do the math and will know what to do next. The History channel recently had a program on acids.5 each now subtract gas for your car time to remove it from the host car. but no he sold them anyway. sdmines. note: that website is not loading for us.00.December 5. and buy from any one that wants to sell a cat.edu/sdsmt/SiteID=199458 Dennis King . They are worth a lot more than buyers make out that they are. making a after market cat worth $8..You make $4. In my calculation what he sold brought someone down the line in the neighborhood of $60. Virginia ---Ed.. and shipping. On that program they told that a 55 gal barrel with app 400 lbs of catalysts would net $24. and what they were used for. I am not attempting to concentrate any thing from the cats I collect.000 to 15. that's $10. removal of the the iron shells would make the 50 pound box not such a bad thing.00.sdsmt. I have found it to be one of the best kept trade secrets.Ararat.

shorinternational.. it just a side job for me at this time. see rule 6! catching on yet? bryan smith . refiners will want 50 to 200 pounds of cat cores and will take 30 to 10% for there fee. .htm ...11 thousand dollars its got platinum in them.com). I would let the refiners earn there 10% and you should concentrate on volume.8 lbs. thanks December 23. see rule 6. 2010 Glenn Burry. I buy catalytic converters.aurora Colorado a correction its perfectly legal to sell a used catalytic converter. and have been doing so for 2 weeks I now own 15 of them.Arundel.gain remember your platinum will likely not be pure enough to get full price and even if it is the jeweler and ore refiner you sell it to is going to want a 10% to 30% cut off the top. (you may change your mind and want to sell them whole) 5 learn how to spot an after market cat (the guy selling you the cat has no clue what the previous owner did to the host car) this one cost me $70 on my very first buy! 6 cut all your buying prices buy 5$ 7 add $5 your buying price for each cat you don't have to cut from under the host car.. One company will pay 7$ a pound for your cores . the amount of metallic values in a cat wildly varies. Has anyone had any experience with the ishor system http://www.To extract the inside simply open the plug most if not all have a plug that can be taken out to extract the materials pat mazzillo . (see Ebay) its not legal to put a used cat on any car!. (see gold refiners index . 2009 I have worked in a place that took in catalytic converters what we would do is open the plug dump everything out into 55 gallon drum we would fill 10 -12 of these things then bring them to Texas they paid us about 8 . Maine January 17. whole cat buyers on the internet will pay from 4 to $165 each.. for prices look at cats direct 1st American core north eastern core buyers fairless core dyna converter integrity rules 1 buy low sell high 2 don't buy any thing today you cant sell tomorrow (inventory is expensive and makes you zip) 3 decan only if you've got 100s 4 don't decan after market cats till you get 40 of them.com/refining. the average cat has 2. (its worth it) and the seller loves the fact that he can add $5 to the sale. that means the very least a cat core will have in pmgs is 7$ a pound.Glovertown NL Canada asked the same question which I have been wondering also which was never answered. your can with acids leach the three pgms out of the core ceramic.

so I am certainly not in a position to be involved anywhere in the sale or purchase of this stuff? -. and am not qualified to comment on how well this commercial device works (never even seen it). I'm not an expert on catalytic converter refining or gold recovery. are a mite smarter than the idiots in New Jersey and other eastern states. Michael Rowland . New Jersey January 21. P.E. finishing. How do I know I'm not getting ripped when I sell one? But I'm sure as hell not going to sell it to Ted in Jersey. Oklahoma January 21. P. 2010 Hi. could profit from shilling :-) Regards. Mike. Although this is my website. No one has answered which specific converters are worth more than the others.com Brick. Colorado and Oklahoma are doing it.Mounds. and also just the plain effectiveness with gold plated scrap.or because you got concerned about possible questions about the origin of your convertors after I mentioned that my son was a cop :-) Good luck and Regards.com Brick. Actually. Bill. So I would elect doing it the the guys in Texas. we discourage testimonials to particular commercial products because some people already post here or attempt to post here with fictitious names. Ted Mooney. Arkansas June 2010 Hi.E.Marvell. 2010 It seems that us in Okla. and many more would if vendors.Can some of the professionals here (Ted?) please comment on whether or not this would work on granulated CAT honeycomb/beads. I have been looking at this system for many years so any comment would be greatly appreciated. New Jersey . Ted Mooney. "But I'm sure as hell not going to sell it to Ted in Jersey" Is that because I've repeatedly said that my only business is running this website. disguised as satisfied customers. finishing. OK the process is way too complicated for person to do on his own. rip the things open and pour it into containers you can ship. Bill N .

.. buying acids and supplies in large bulk.. and pay for permits and safety and disposal costs. or a table top model on eBay. USA March 4.. Each refiner employs economies of scale... Do you intend to do this industrial process in your garage? If you are going to be honest about it. and not cheat.. I've read a few pages of this thread. if not actually funny.. I'm a pretty smart guy and I thought about it long and hard.. He's the man. and even hedging those prices with futures contracts.. 2010 Hey...BE REALISTIC! As an example or two: If you want to profit. and each ingot or batch of metal you produce will still have to be assayed at your expense.for that matter. you will have to end up like the existing refiners to make a profit..thanks again. You get out what you put in.. They assay the metal efficiently. you could probably buy a kit for it at Ace Hardware.. and it's pretty interesting.think logically.. Matthew Fox . 2010 This blog/site whatever kicks ass! You rock dude. learn which cats have what relative amounts of PGMs and buy and sell accordingly.. Thank you! Off my soapbox I go.all above board. etc. How do you expect to make your costs lower than theirs? By dumping toxins in the trash? If you are highly competent........ Clearly: THERE'S NO EASY MONEY TO BE MADE BY TRYING TO REFINE THE PRECIOUS METALS YOURSELF! So just give it up..you can make a profit from knowing the product you are dealing with.to get something meaningful out... I just wanted to add that anyone who is Still thinking about ways to steal the converters. If it gets too lucrative.. You can go around to salvage yards and buy cats..Columbus. and larger scale than most of you are thinking about. Something for nothing is a bogus way to live..learn the product specs. and become a broker for small yards that don't have the time to research the value of each model. but your labor and production costs will be high. Someone did provide a three sentence answer on the 'how to' aspect. and poof.February 11. 2010 Hi All. and get real.. Ohio...but please don't hang on to the notion that you can spin straw into gold. sure........ new refiners enter the market. and my conclusion was that the only serious solution to this approach is to have ...got to find some cat specs now!!!! PS: I'm NOT saying not to take a risk or consider a new venture. Please remember: all the refiners compete with each other. you can run the process. and if it were simple to do. John Marks .Tampa. often with long term contracts to keep their costs low..turn them into COMEX quality ingots and high grade metals to sell to industry? I think many I've read on here are trying to get something for nothing.and smelting/refining is not a permitted use in any residential or agricultural zone I've ever heard of. and by being an accumulator/consolidator..or do you think you are going to pick up a few cats. you have to put something substantial into it to make it work. Florida March 11. back off of Ted..but perhaps think of it as all boiling down to return on investment.

Just knowing the process has put a more educated perspective on all of this thank you very much sir. registration. I notice child abuse was up 12% here in IA last year. WORD OF WISDOM: Those who write about cats on these walls. Iowa USA March 26. or sold a dime bag of something to someone who wanted to get high. 2010 Wow.. but inversely they would still be taking it out of another's mouth.if you're that smart to build such a device..etc. 2010 hey another way that i have found is to use something similar to the gold refining process if you use aqua regia aka nitric and hydrochloric acid mixed it will make clora platonic acid i believe is the name and then from there you can revert the acid back to pure platinum dust witch accumulates at the bottom as a dust you then filter and wash at the very least five times with warm or hot water you then have at least 99. then be on your merry way before you could get caught.. MY ANALYSIS: I'm thinking I'll stick to planting a garden in the spring and riding a bicycle---just hope nobody cuts my gut out looking for little ceramic balls of quicksilver. Don't steal. you have no business stealing chicken-sh-. I can't believe I read the WHOLE thing.some kind of technology that jacks up the car. not habits. This can be looked upon 2 ways---either the guy is legit. and using air-compressed or hydraulic cutters.car parts!.. makes me want to stay on the computer and away from dangerous chemicals. In fairness it could be said that the economy is now so bad that some may take up the trade to feed mouths. Had to backtrack to an ad on our Craigslist. you will look like a ripe candidate to be made example out of in the judicial court.Cedar Rapids.Roll there words in little ceramic balls. cut off the cat in one snap!. Those who read these words of wit. Got so involved I actually forgot how I got here. Someone actually stealing from someone who worked hard for their nice car.. paid license. California March 12. insurance..Anaheim. someone offering to "buy" cats. MY VOTE: 55 GALLON DRUM METHOD forget about anything beyond mechanical extraction. this economy is seething with unions of prison guards and people making 85 thousand dollars a year watching over 'criminals ' who got high.. Eric Vincent web developer/ seeker of knowledge . offering a venue for people to get a little more for there junk vehicle before the salvage yard gets it---or there are still people out there willing to crawl under cars in the middle of the night to feed their habits (and people willing to pay them to do it).9% pure platinum of course you must then use an induction heater to melt it down and the only one that i can think of is right now that is easy to build is ZVS circuit ( zero voltage/current switching) its easy to build but i dont know if it has the ability to get to platinum melting temps .EAT THOSE LITTLE CERAMIC BALLS OF SLAG!!! Byron Wiese . Enough said? Good to know this information though. my guess is theft of cats will also see a comeback as frustration grows. Ok here's what I'm getting at--..

Please look on Craigslist. Now it's been some years gone by and now like then every one has kept the golden rule of silence. Before loading them on his truck.orange park Florida united states April 7. I read all of the threads. We could swamp the threads with spam overnight. Now I'm living in Wyoming and have a close friend that's in the auto salvage business and from time to time he has a gentleman come into buy his cats.. Refinery if any. heavy melt meaning steel beams to the smelting plants in Indiana and in Illinois. and it's largely because we don't let people benefit commercially from postings. or Google. It can't be done. for what I will get back that's a drop in the bucket so to speak. and I to have to agree with a lot of these threads. a rope and the neighborhood Kids and a couple steel pipes. Or what! I look forward to visiting this site again in the future. When the buyer came by we unloaded the contents of the box's on the ground by sizes. That is in all these threads I read I did not once read as to where to take the spoils. Now that was funny. As for some of the threads I read that some only had one or two.000 dollars and that was for the contents of one container box of cats. I once seen a check for $25.john michael . Wow that's alot of money. Sincerely Mike Burt . Meaning. How to extract precious metals from cats. is it takes a little bit of this and a little bit of that and a whole lot of other things to make it pure steel and what's involved in that process is like trying to put a Big Mac in a Happy meal. This public forum has managed to remain online for 16 years.we don't have one thousandth of the necessary horsepower. It's not that we are sworn to silence. Wyoming April 7. or eBay. I worked in the scrap metal business 10 years ago and from time to time hauled what is none as Frag.That is if they had a lot of them. everything else is buried under the spam. Some had humor like. Sorry but we simply can't be Craigslist or Ebay or Google -. 2010 Hi. Some had more meaning than others.Rozet. But seriously. Now I think back years ago about a salvage yard I'd work at and at that time we saved all cats in medium size container box's. But I'm talking in large numbers. . Now knowing how to melt down steel. that if one thinks that you can separate the metals with a torch like Oxyacetylene is like melting a tuna can with a Bic lighter. I hope the next time I read these threads that some one might be kind hearted enough to say as to were one might be able to take there spoils to. Like a tree in the back yard. it's that as soon as we open a thread to commercial responses. How come! Is it because of like back then the golden rule of silence still applies and mums the word to this day. I too was doing a little research online about precious metals when I stumbled on to this site. 2010 Mr Mooney. I just happened to ask the man. Mike. He replied.

like I am going to be there in May. New Jersey April 18. And since i have to support an older but great father. find out what kind of CC's too look for. and then be a middle man. not a mechanic or chemist. but in everything i have seen in life. I figured i shall start with two different topics. So. I don't think personally I would be able to do it. THE LIST OF CARS! It would seem I'm limited in the aspect that people are too scared of losing profit or theft for advancement in human techno-evolution. On my next note. 2010 Well. Sadly. I'm 19. i am infuriated at the fact. First is thanking two people. and makes our world more like the movie Idiocracy if anything. i really enjoy your calm responses to some arrogant people. I would like to tell you all a little about myself. finishing. talk to friends who work in areas that come across people selling junk cars. obviously so. i started reading this because i had hopes that some one would post what cars would be best to go get cc's and then find a company who buys them for refining purposes. Ted Mooney. because i had all of my family heirlooms stolen from me and my handicap dad who lives with me. All i have to say.. or you must wait a given amount of time to receive payment on the converters if you sell too a scrap yard. family or career. I would never have imagined that everyone who was once barely getting by.. i figured i would look into the CC idea so maybe i could gain a little extra money after me losing my job.com Brick.. WOW. and they start getting up would be power hungry and greedy. your way of thinking is incredibly fascinating. So i figured. that people are scared too post what CC's are good to buy. Because people will go steal them. So theft isn't as much of an option. this is why i liked thomas's post. Also. I was a marketer/sale's rep who traveled coast 2 coast. I was searching for two things when i got online today. Except there is one thing i cant find. is i figured I'd keep my karma good. with food. but things happen and you have other obligations in life. In hopes when and if i fell i would have people around me to keep me afloat. first is how someone could easily sell stolen gold. Ted. the way u run these forums is exceptional.. but we lose out on advancement of society.E. Why not post a list of cars? Most states require a title. the only option left must be that people want to keep people out of this business so they can keep everyone from getting by.Regards. the business relationships and personal ones i developed have kept me and my dad in a house. and that's how i get by now. P. because 2% are incompetent the rest are punished. and am well versed in the language of american society. That is an arrogant notion of people in America. because Tennessee its hard finding deep and free-thinking people. so i figured well. or used parts. and for my age i would say i have seen a lot. People who are secretive do make the most profit. its a pointless endeavor for the lowest of the low scum of the earth. where you must choose. well Networking is one of my favorite things.. and my friend telling me about plat in CC's. i brought everyone around me up. when I got up. and i am granted with off the chart social skills. As i said previously I'm a marketer and networker. I guess it sucks that greed rules this country. . Thomas from Sarasota. and i was like jeez I hope there will be intelligent people to have deep conversations. and helped them.

i could ship them too u. but do not have a dime for start up cost. my word is never broken. 2010 Hi. I'm a marketer. 24/7. and if this stuff actually pays off. and now they are buying me a car so i can get back to my life. just like an extra 600 a month or so. and teaching kids how to pick up chicks. Please use ebay. i will abide by that notion. but use my skills for a better purpose. people selling muffler and cc for 10 bux. and possibly start my own business that i have been wanting. and certainly not my last. because I'm an honest person. we try to avoid reference to company names because experience has repeatedly proven that as soon as a company name is mentioned. Nor. Joe Santaniello . now that i tried to get a little help from some of you guys. and i give my word on my dad. it is my first ever on this site. not a wall street man. maybe not hard labor. if not.Murfreesboro. and just getting rid of the cats core too a scrap yard. since someone angry at my dad for calling the police on them because he was in fear for his life. Thank you For your Time! :) If you guys would like to contact me through email. not even knowing the cats may be worth something. It's just i see older cars being parted out. but this site does not put people into private contact with each other. or a google search to locate the people you are seeking. put out a list.and utilities. and just selling the guts. their competitors feel the need to post a glowing testimonial to themselves. and possibly you would have the word of many exec's who would vouch for me. Well. I really enjoyed reading this thread. Joe. just so i can get by a little better. and have something too think about. cut the radiator hose and some other hoses i do not know what they are at this time. well i can see me on here in the future. So i was hoping I could make a small profit. i figured that would be the best route. i hope all of you enjoy this post. and my marketing experience. Craigslist. See. I like to work. on cars that look bonestock. I'm sure I'll have at least made a little money off it. am i planning to start anything related to the pt industry. if there are threads like this. But letting the world know would be a much better thing! But. because things here are cheap. If you guys could be generous and think of others. hell. Good luck. or in the past could have used also. my idea was hopefully getting the cats. just making it better so i don't go out and waste my time. the race to the bottom is on. Just consider the list people. with bills of sale for every cat i buy so you never would have to worry about me being a thief. Like En: Datsun/Nissan 70-93 not even being super specific. and the thread dissolves to spam :-) . Tennessee April 19. if information shared with me you ask not too be disclosed. i am not trying to undercut you guys in your ingot industry. and a loan isn't an option. and I could use the money. and maybe take my dad out too eat like i used to. Apologies. I just am not the type of man who lives off someone else's gratitude. and finding a company who wanted too do the refining process or something. that would be acceptable too. All i have to say is. if you do things on a larger scale. well awesome. then sitting around on forums. Sorry! Similarly. just like many of you guys can.

Midland.com Brick. finishing.com Brick. and with regard to obfuscating for the uninitiated. P. terrill booth . Terrill. Platinum weighs 21. Gas and Diesel big differences. at today's spot price of $1533 per troy ounce. P. New Jersey May 19. Texas June 8.980. 2010 First I'll just say this. There are 31. have heard it might be against the law to process them in the US. your block would be valued at $51.E.45 grams per cubic centimeter. GREAT!! I will begin reading up. What would be an approx. that being said.10 grams to a troy ounce. Regards. and it sounds like the time I'm done study the "ART of CCs" I should have another thousand or so. Your block of platinum is 3 cubic inches. Ted Mooney.Regards.E. Hope the PRICES stay up? I been told to keep the content separate due to the difference in amount and type of metals. weight of a solid block of Platinum with the dimensions of 3" x 1" x 1". I had thoughts of selling them raw. it . 2010 Hi. This thread leads me to believe it is not.riverside. finishing. 2010 I have over 1000 CC cut from salvaged autos over the past couple of years. Ted Mooney. I am a chemist. So. to a point I am NOT a metallurgist and have limit knowledge of the subject. New Jersey June 24. There are 16. California USA June 9. 2010 Just wondering if anyone could give me some info.387 cubic centimeters to a cubic inch. Keep posting and I'll keep reading Scott Jones .

I found it here 'cause I was looking for a reason why my Ford is acting up. every one gets rich in a gold rush.Mobile.PLEASE DO YOUR RESEARCH *-*-*-* Victor C.. *-*-*-* THIS IS NOT TO BE TRIED BY ANYONE FOLLOWING THIS POST ALONE.Redondo Beach. Ma . Australia September 29. Another waste of 30 minutes of my life surfing the web :) :) Gary W . Yup. clearly I haven't gone so far as putting pencil to paper on this but it seems to me that it could be a lucrative opportunity for someone with a skill set in place to mitigate the very real (and potentially lethal) risks involved.. nitric and judiciously precipitate with some heavy metal ion..seems to me that one could with some difficulty dissolve the platinum/ceramic guts in conc.Brisbane.... Any thoughts on a response on this thread will be greatly appreciated. Maybe you should take a look at www. US August 11.com Dave smith .and there is a rush on to find out how it's done or how to get it. 2010 Cry.scrapcatalyticconverter. 2010 Can anyone give an estimate of what a pound of slurry collected in the early 80's is worth. " There be 'Gold'in them thar hills" or in this case Platinum in them there Catalytic Converters.. Texas. Alabama September 3. 2010 These are great questions about catalytic converters and platinum.YOU WILL NOT GET PLATINUM WITHOUT RESPECTING THE CHEMISTRY AND FOLLOWING MY THOUGHT PROCESS WITHOUT FULLY UNDERSTANDING THE NATURE OF THE MATERIALS INVOLVED COULD AND WOULD CAUSE SERIOUS INJURY AND/OR DEATH.. Got it legally by the way.. California USA . And for some it is a conspiracy because they are too ignorant or plain stupid to understand how complicated and dangerous to body and environment it is to extract it. Queensland..Dallas. Walt Smith manufacturer . beyond that apply tremendous tremendous amounts of heat to the precipitate and go to the bank.

com/2006/11/28/thieves-target-catalytic-converters-for-precious-metals/. The last time I brought a couple the junkyard . but photos are available at www.sellyourcatsdirect.and he might have been honest (one came off an old GM Van & the other a new chevy geo) . 2011 Hi. What I would like to see/know .html. 2011 Greetings Everyone.html and green. Being a web designer I know what is like to have to deal with internet hooligans.I as I just mentioned I'm a web designer by trade -but I have started my own side project with recycling cars & metals.but I don't trust backyard bob enough to keep doing business with him. There is a great video at www.youtube.December 22. 2010 what does the extracted metal look like ron green curious .com/Recycling. -J Justin L MaineJunKYards . including maidenresources. I did an engineering project at a factory that built the newer honeycomb style converters (still a long long time ago). Thank You all very much for your time spent here & input. I haven't done much with them but pile them up being as I don't know the difference yet. and pictures of them are all over the net.the dubbah only wanted to give me $10 bucks for them .how exactly do you tell the difference between an OEM & After-Market Catalytic Converter? Could someone muster up a photo of these 'beads' and these 'honey combs' you talk about do they look just like a piece of screen? So far with the cats I have cut off (Yes legally) they all just look like hollow metal chambers with a screen in them.com/Loose_Beads_Pellets_secure. Secondly . I would like to thank Ted first of all for supplying this lovely little trough of information.autoblog.com/watch? v=rmtFp-SV0tY . USA January 14.athens Alabama January 14. So if someone would please give me a few (Yes more than one please .Maine. Justin.no one liner is gonna help me learn anything) tips on how to distinguish between a factory original and a aftermarket cat. It has been a great revenue so far making something out of nothing is very rewarding. I'm not real familiar with the old-style ceramic bead catalytic converters.which no one has mentioned before .

P. New Jersey .E. Ted Mooney. Regards. but I don't know how to tell the difference. that an aftermarket converter would have less precious metals soaked into the honeycomb.com Brick.I think. but don't know. finishing.

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