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I BUY, SELL AND REPAIR COMPUTERS. RECENTLY I STARTED TO SAVE ALL MY COMPUTER SCRAP TO RECOVER THE GOLD THAT IS ON THE CARDS. SO ON THE OTHER HAND I STARTED TO BUY A FEW CATALYTIC CONVERTERS AS SCRAP BECAUSE I HEARD THAT IT HAS A LITTLE AMOUNT OF PLATINUM AND PALLADIUM HONEYCOMB THAT IS INSIDE THE BODY OF THE CONVERTER. SO THE POINT IS: IF SOMEONE CAN EXPLAIN TO ME OR GUIDE ME IN THE NEXT STEP TO RECOVER THE PLATINUM_PALLADIUM ONCE THE CONVERTER IS OPEN, BECAUSE THE HONEYCOMB I THINK IS MADE OF CERAMIC. WHY I WANT TO KNOW THIS: TO PROVE TO A COUPLE OF FRIENDS THAT THE CONVERTERS HAVE A LITTLE AMOUNT OF THESE METALS. THEY THINK THAT I AM CRAZY OR NUTS. MARIO Z "hobbyist" - TIJUANA , BAJA CALIFORNIA, MEXICO ++++ If you want to do it just to prove your friends the point, then I agree to them. But if you're willing to make money out of it, be prepared to spend a decent amount of life and a little fortune with no guarantee of success up front. Guillermo Marrufo Monterrey, NL, Mexico
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Scrap Catalytic Converter Platinum Recycle Full Lincoln $71.01 44m

+++++ We have the process for getting platinum ( and other platinum grade metal from scrap catalytic converters). Listen to your friends. The platinum is there, but it is a very dangerous process. You have to know what you are doing. Charles K - Burtonsville, Maryland
View all disclaimer scrap catalytic converter 2008 Domestic platinum $71.50 3h 30m

Scrap Catalytic Converter Platinum $203.00 4h 01m

++++++ Catalytic converters have precious metal in them, Mario. It's the precious metals that provide the catalytic reaction. So collect on the bet. Recovery is dangerous and

shouldn't be attempted by untrained individuals though :-)

Ted Mooney, P.E. finishing.com Brick, New Jersey

++++++ Yes there is Platinum in catalytic converters. You can't recover it yourself but you have to take it a place that buys gold, metals, scraps... I buy catalytic converters, I pay good money. It depends on what kind of catalytic converter you have and if it's full, or half full. Monica M - Louisville, Kentucky

++++++ Monica M, Can you please explain what you mean by full or half-full. also, what different types of catalytic converters are there? which ones are most desirable for resell to refiners? Thanks - Mark Mark W - San Antonio, Texas

+++++++ Hi I currently buy and sell catalytic converters to a man. He has often told me that he will be out of town selling these catalytic converters. My question is how much more is he getting paid and where does he take them to? Currently the best paid one I have had is

one for $120.00, if anyone can help me please do so. Juan M buyer/seller - Seven Springs, North Carolina

+++++++ I think Ted was kind of on the right track with his answer, but just as wrong as the rest of the responders. You will probably not find anyone willing to give up the process that they use because they use it to recover the material themselves. It would be nice if they came right out and said that so you could use your powers of internet research on chemistry to devise your own way of extracting the materials. BTW, if a person wishes to blow themselves up or poison themselves let them do it just don't take anyone else with you. Ron H - Scranton, Pennsylvania

+++++++ I have access to hundreds of catalytic converters, and want to know how to extract, not refine, the platinum from them. This would save shipping fees, but I'm not sure if I can just cut out the part containing the platinum, or do I have to strip it out? Georgia T recycler, junk dealer - Nashville, Tennessee

Ron, yes, certainly people can be coy. But the main issue is difficulty, not secretiveness. Brain surgeons and aircraft engineers may be coy too, but their coyness is not the main reason why people don't post a simple answer here on how to do brain surgery or design a jetliner :-) Recovering precious metals requires a significant investment in time, education, and equipment. Georgia, you can cut the valuable part out from the steel. They will look a lot like a small muffler. The metal housing is stainless steel and contains no precious metal (although stainless steel has scrap value too). The precious metal is in the ceramic honeycombs you find inside. Good luck! Ted Mooney, P.E. finishing.com Brick, New Jersey

Object 7 Ted Mooney.9 grams of platinum in the honeycomb. UK Object 8 +++++++ Recovery of precious metals is a well developed industrial science.com Brick. for an average size converter it has about 1.. Alabama +++++++ I did the math as you asked. and there are books that compare the alternative approaches and explain the chemistry in depth. South Yorkshire. Looking at ebay with asking prices from about $10 to $150 for scrap catalytic convertors..+++++++ Hello.Vernon. it seems that developing a good "buy low / sell high" strategy is a much easier way to make money than doing the dangerous chemistry. But. finishing.Rotherham. for the ones that want to know why they are so expensive. New Jersey +++++++ I work in a lab and need to produce platinum from a catalytic converter on a small and safe scale. Rachel. and came up with $80. Read the great reviews of Ammen's book --> But why does your company "need" to get platinum from this source rather than buying it? If can you provide a little more detail on what you Object 9 .and do the math at 1200 dollars an ounce for platinum. Nathan. I would like to know whom I could sell the catalytic converters. Nathan H . I have one way to do it but it is kinda hectic..E. What is the best way of doing this? Rachael C work in a glass lab . P.

Good luck. P. . and people will probably be willing and able to answer. It's not so much secret as difficult to explain when starting from zero. If you ask a specific question regarding how jetliners are built. LOUIS. AND OTHER FOREIGN ILLNESSES.start by reading books that are readily available from any large library (did you ask yet if your library had the books we already recommended?). SO FOR ANYONE WOULDN'T MIND SHARING SOME VALUABLE INFORMATION PLEASE LET ME KNOW THE PROCESS OF EXTRACTING THESE PRECIOUS METALS Wade Collins . Missouri Hi. it's not that they refuse to answer. Johnson-Matthey & Heraeus are not afraid of their halfbillion dollar precious metal refineries facing competition from individuals. it's that they simply can't answer a question that broad. people may answer. finishing. THAT WE DON'T EVEN ASK FOR. like how thick should the nickel-cadmium plating be on a turbine blade. All they can do is say "start by attending an aeronautical engineering college for four years" :-) Recovery of precious metals is a well developed science-.S. you will probably get better targeted and therefore more helpful answers. New Jersey +++++++ MY NAME IS WADE COLLINS AND I WAS TRYING TO FIND THIS PROCESS OUT MYSELF. Thanks! Ted Mooney. I MEAN REGARDLESS OF IF IT'S A DANGEROUS PROCESS OR NOT ITS OUR OWN DECISION IF WE WANT TO GO THROUGH WITH IT OR NOT. Wade. P. BUT TO DENY THE PEOPLE TO MAKE MANY WHETHER YOU BELIEVE OR NOT TO BE DANGEROUS IS OUR DECISION IF WE WANT TO DO IT.ST. Give yourself a few weeks of diligent reading and you'll be able to ask rather specific questions.are trying to do. Just as Boeing & Airbus are not concerned that you will compete against them in building jetliners. I MEAN THERE ARE A LOT OF DANGEROUS THINGS OUT HERE. ALCOHOL FOR ONE IS A DANGEROUS PROCESS IN EVERY WAY BUT PEOPLE NEVER DENIED US THE PROCESS OF CONSUMING IT AS WELL AS DRUGS. WORKING IN ASBESTOS AREAS. but if you say "tell me how to build a jetliner".com Brick.E. BUT IT SEEMS TO ME THAT NO ONE WANTS TO GIVE THIS VALUABLE INFORMATION UP IN FEAR OF OTHER PEOPLE MAKING THE KIND OF MONEY THEY'RE MAKING.

but I don't know the method for take out the platinum from it.Ted Mooney. page 2 1 2 3 4 5 6 +++++++ hi friends. page 2 HOW TO RECOVER PLATINUM FROM CATALYTIC CONVERTERS. I buy & sell many catalytic convertor. if it's possible can you help me? how do we do it? regards Jouni . Vermont USA þÿ Search Home/Sitemap · you are here: Forum => letter 27814. Couldn't for the life of me figure out what this guy was keeping them for and why he was hiding them so far from the road. Roberto Gremini .France . New Jersey January 11.com Brick. Stumbled on this thread and now I know.E. finishing.Belvidere. 2011 LOL Just acquired a foreclosed estate property with acreage and found a mountain of converters waaaayyyy back in the woods under tarps. P.

suggests that carbochlorination of the mixed concentrate at temperatures as low as 500 deg C in the (Cl2 1 SiCl4) atmosphere is suitable for rare earth extraction and thorium-free volatile by-product release..+++++++ Since "complicated and dangerous" doesn't seem to satisfy the masses on what it takes to extract precious medals from items such as catalytic converters. Between 500 deg C and 800 deg C. respectively. but these values reduced to 15 and 2. respectively. The process to do so is known as carbochlorination and the simplified textbook definition of the process is as follows: A stepwise carbochlorination--chemical vapor transport (SC--CVT) process is proposed for the rare earth extraction and separation from a mixed bastnaesite-monazite concentrate based on thermodynamic and kinetic analysis using carbon as reductant. and AlCl3 as vapor complex former. chlorine gas as chlorination agent. HOW TO RECOVER RARE METALS FROM ELECTRON . SiCl4 as defluorination agent. but carbochlorination at above 1000 C yielded a large amount of acidinsoluble residue.95 4d 04h 36m View all disclaimer If you can't understand that then you're out of luck. The CVT reaction of the carbochlorination product was performed at 800 C for 0.1 kJ/mole under 2 kPa of SiCl4 gas. $24. The rare earth chloride yield for 2 hours was 56 to 88 mol pct in the absence of SiCl4 and 92 to 99 mol pct in the presence of SiCl4. step by step method of doing this. apparent activation energy of the carbochlorination within 2 hours changed from 22 to 16 kJ/mol roughly for the initial half hour and final 1 hour. I'll put it in another way. Their combination allows an efficient and environmentally conscious extraction and separation of rare earth elements from the mixed concentrate. together with the negligible equilibrium vapor pressure of ThCl4 at below 600 C. leading to complete thorium removal and efficient rare earth separation. there is no simpler. in the absence of SiCl4. This.5 hours in the (Cl2 1 SiCl4 1 AlCl3) atmosphere and then at 1000 C for 6 hours in the (Cl2 1 AlCl3) atmosphere along different temperature gradients. .. which is different from the conventional Goldschmidt process at 1000 C to 1200 C.

Cory Gage - Tulsa, Oklahoma

+++++++ The reason these [expletive deleted] don't want to give you the info is cause of the loss of money they would be hit with. The high value cat's get 2 to 300 dollars that hold up to 2 ounces of platinum in them.Notice you caught the eye of so many on here trying to buy yours instead of showing how you can recover 2 ounces of platinum. Now 1 ounce goes for what 1300 dollars.I wouldn't show you how to recover it either! Zachary Rumble - Lawton, Oklahoma

+++++++ Cory just finished taking the time to give you the 'secret' info, Zachary. But you don't yet have the background knowledge to understand his instructions. Any large library will have books on recovering platinum and precious metals; you may need to study those books before you understand Cory's instructions. I bought a new catalytic converter from Meineke for under $150. Some models for larger cars may have more platinum but $2600 worth sounded ludicrous. So I spent some time on line looking for the world's most expensive catalytic converter and the best I could do was $2495 for a pair for a Ferrari, Although the precious metals are indeed valuable, maybe the real issue is that there are people who want to sell you scrap at ridiculous prices by exaggerating its value while implying that recovery is easy?

Ted Mooney, P.E. finishing.com Brick, New Jersey

+++++++ I am a buyer of scrap catalytic converters.The process you ask about is very hard and dangerous. It is a process that is regulated under EPA standards. It is profitable to sell the converter as a whole unit. You can refine or have them refined in other countries if you want to gather up 3000 of them and wait 90 days on your money to come back to you. My web site buys on average 2500 catalytic converters a month. I have tried it all and to refine a converter yourself is totally crazy. There is 3 acids in the process and it becomes very explosive and at

times it does explode.The proper automated machines keep the workers safe when this happens. There are several platinum groups in most converters. A large gm I pay 100.00 for it on my web site. A aftermarket converter is not worth what a factory converter is. It will only net you 10.00 as scrap. Some large converters I pay 140.00 for them and some exotic converters go higher than that, 200.00 or so. Before you find all there is to refining your own think about the people around you and the laws of the land. Steven Gee - Hornsby, Tennessee

+++++++ I agree with Mr. Mooney's last post. It is impossible to recover $200 in metals value from a product that RETAILS for less than $200! Now, I do believe that finding silver/gold/Pt/Pd and other precious metals in a refinable form is still do-able at flea-markets, garage and estate sales and thrift stores - with enough time and patience. They, like others, have become much more sophisticated, so, likely they tested and 'high-graded' anything before it went out for sale. Garage sales at private residences (NOT conducted by professional estate or auction services) remain the best candidates. Bruce A Ades - Carrollton, Texas

+++++++ I am new to scrap metal. I want to get the metal out of these items. Does anybody know a melt down place to retrieve these metals? I want to make a living doing scrap metal. Vicky in Los Angeles Victoria Blanchard hobbyist - Los Angeles, California

+++++++ The carbochlorination behavior of scrapped honeycomb-type automobile catalysts was investigated using a chlorine and carbon monoxide gas mixture to fully extract platinum and rhodium in the catalysts. The recoveries of platinum, rhodium, and base metals are monitored by ICP-AES analyses. Upflow type of fixed-bed carbochlorination experiments were performed between 250 and 700 C. The effects of flow rate, time, and partial pressures of chlorine and carbon monoxide were also determined. After optimization of these parameters, the recoveries of about 95.9% of platinum and 92.9% of rhodium were obtained

at 550 C. The recovered condensate was contaminated by various base metal chlorides. The chlorides generated from the base metals could be minimized by decreasing the flow rate of the gas mixture without any deterioration of PGM recoveries, but at the expense of the volatility. The carbochlorination of scrapped automobile catalysts could be an efficient way for the profitable recovery of platinum and rhodium chlorinated compounds at comparatively low temperatures. sorry i cant find the credits Brian McKee - Buffalo, New York

January 26, 2008 I agree with most of the comments here. The process is not one that everyone should be trying. It is much easier to just find someone who is doing it all the time. There are a few good companies that would be happy to buy all the CCs you can get them. If you want to try something try to recover gold. It is plenty dangerous enough for the thrill seekers and you are much more likely to have a good outcome. After you have done a few hundred pounds of gold then you can move up to this. I should mention scale is very important when it comes to profit margins on both of these processes. Michael Biggs - Princeton, Texas

January 29, 2008 Recovery of metals from cats is difficult| Is it possible to recondition the cat ready for re installation .E G.Vacuum baking to remove volatiles followed by baking in air to burn off carbon? Mickey Louvel chemist - Hampshire, U.K.

February 10, 2008 http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/5542957-description.html Here you will find several ways to extract the metals. And for everyone out there who enjoys censoring information to the masses, tisk tisk. Adam Underwood

I placed it in the truck of my vehicle and raced it home. To my surprise. Western Australia February 11. 2008 About 4 years ago I was traveling along the highway and a catalytic converter dislodged it's self from the vehicle in front of me. It's dangerous plus you'll lose money. California February 19. cried over the stuffed jacked and shoe and proceeded to take to the thing with my oxy-acetylene cutter.com Brick. I didn't have time to get out of it's way and ran over it at 110 km/h(70 MPH).00. volume... quantity.San Francisco. Alabama February 10. I did the first aid on my hands.. The replacement bumper and paintwork cost me $780. I stopped to check the damage and remove the converter and tailpipe from the road. New Jersey February 11.Perth. so I too could own some PLATINUM. eh? And no. I wonder because somebody just hacked mine off my Jeep with a Sawsall. 2008 Have you seen anyone censoring anything. P. and remember everyone has to make a profit or they would be out of business. James Monroe . The sole of my shoe and my jacket were destroyed in this process. 2008 I wonder where all these people are getting ALL these cats.Mobile. but I persevered and finally broke the catalytic converter off. I burnt my hands dragging the thing from the road. Adam? Ted Mooney. having some knowledge of it. Cindy Reynolds . 2008 Those of you wanting more for your converters are in a jam. Or is it just a burning curiosity? Maybe we should have some legal authority monitoring of this thread. it was just an old muffler!!! What a day!!!! Enjoy your converter people. you do not want to refine the tiny bit of metal in each without a lab behind you. Prices are based on types. I decided to take my leather jacket off and break the red hot pipe from the converter.PJC Peter Carey .E. finishing.

in a perfect world. Platinum and Palladium are each different weights and one has a higher melting point than the other so when cooling down they tend to separate somewhat. I just want to sell the cat. Ohio March 16. Easy to assemble and use. You can find the plans for a furnace online easily. Thanks and good luck all. how much money I will receive for which model? I don't want to give 50 and get 30.. 2008 The cat's are disappearing here in Minn.. 2008 I own a salvage company. Do some research it is not that hard to search this stuff.so they have just passed a law that the purchaser must get the id of the seller which helps determine if a Jeep cat was cut off and a Jeep cat was sold the next day they can find you.. 2008 I too used to think like most of you until I talked to a gentleman who owns a bronze sculpture foundry. A Crucible and crucible furnace is all you need along with someborax [link is to product info] and silica sand. I have no interest in recovering the platinum.I know there are ways around but at least we are trying. and then you have almost pure platinum and palladium.Springfield.. When you pour the mold it will cool and the slag can be removed with a small hammer. Georgia April 24.. The reason most people don't do it is they are either dreamers or just too stupid or flat out too lazy to try when they find out what it takes. So can some one give me a price list. Kurt Crosby .Kilkenny. Doug Dugan hobbyist . James Wilson .. I in turn found out the secret. The average cc contains around (if all used up) about a 1/4 oz. One that came off of a . How do I know if there is any precious metals left in them. 2008 How do I know if my converter cartridge has any material left in it? I have access to cartridges which have been removed from converters.Prairie Du Chien.Dalton. Minnesota March 19. Wisconsin March 11.

When the cc was added because of emissions control cars started becoming 10 to 12000 dollars. They don't care if it costs them 3 grand to produce one for the new car because they will add that to the new car price.000 and up. They use the price of the car to offset the cc that has the platinum inside. Regards.E. Oklahoma April 24. finishing.00 every weekend on cc's. They can put less of the valuable components into them for sale in these states and still be in compliance. New Jersey April 26. You just have to be safe doing it so you don't hurt your self in the process. the low price for palladium was $432/oz. Do your research if you want to make money. They make a lot and the guys who melt them make a killing. They use a pgm that is not as high as platinum or pall. It is there and I make a lot on it every weekend.[certain model] that had been wrecked before it got used almost new produces close to 3 oz. Like in the 70's a new car (not a Cadillac mind you) but a regular car was around 7.00 you have to make a profit. Don't let the buyers of cc's lie and say they don't hardly get much more from you on them from their buyers.000 dollars. I just smelted an '89 and produced 1/3 oz of platinum on a dead one. I also extract gold from plated cosmetic jewelry and have a good time doing it in my spare time. It is doable and should be done by anyone with half a brain! chuck graham . the new cats that you get are either reconditioned or made of cheap stuff. So if we assume the car maker uses half palladium and half platinum it would cost them $3575 to charge a converter? Some convertors are worth more than others. Ted Mooney. I average 2 to 3. 2008 The new converters that they sell are not like the ones that come on the new car. If you don't you are just spinning your wheels.. 2008 The "low" price for platinum today was $1951/oz.000.Purcell. To sum it all up if you buy for 100.com Brick. . This fit with the plan and now it will cost 18. Chuck. If i buy one that came off of a new car it will yield way more than that of a knock off. Also with a lot of states like here that require an inspection sticker no more. If people would take the time to do it right they would make a lot of extra money for themselves. These are after market. Just an example: before the cc came out on new cars the value of a car was in the mid thousand dollar range. P. but something doesn't add up.

2008 How much precious metal is in 60 grams of catalytic converter flakes? Hi someone please help me with these questions: 1) on ebay people sell collected flakes of platinum from catalytic converters. 2008 Hi. I have been selling the vehicles off one by one. I recently inherited a mini junk yard. I'd like to know: are the cars/trucks with the catalytic converters intact worth more? I'm I being ripped off? Yesterday I found approx. strain the resulting solution and dispose of the ceramic. . California April 25. I'm I right in my assumption? Thanks for any help you can give me. How much platinum is in 60 grams of these flakes? 2) where can I sell it? 3) how much can I expect to get per ounce of this stuff? Thanks for your help Joe Goday interested in getting involved . Utah April 30. dry and heat to 500 C to remove impurities.Tooele. wash with HCl.San Francisco. some for scrap at $90 to $100 each. HNO3). ten converters in a shed. evaporate. Kathie Meli junk yard owner . 2008 Reflux the honeycomb in aqua regia (HCl. would it be worth it to purchase a Crucible furnace and extract the platinum/palladium myself? It seems to me that the older and heavier ones would be more valuable.Purcell.Chuck Chuck Graham . treat with Ammonium chloride. Oklahoma April 29.

so what's your choice? I for one will stick to watching "How Its Made" on the Discovery channel and learn from the Pro's on how to safely recycle converters. muriatic acid so you can mix them in the right amounts to make the acid that is needed to extract the metals.Olalla.000 USD. First of all get a 55 gallon barrel and then start collecting converters. I am sure they will have a re-run there. 2008 Well I am sure we are all tired of hearing the same questions over and over again and that HOW.Texas June 17. 2008 I have 6 or so cars that I have been dragging my feet about getting rid of. I think I should remove and scrap my converters before calling the junk dealer and just giving the cars away. the dark ones are the trash and the other lighter colored ones are the metals your looking for. You will notice there are different colored beads. Also.with the recent outbreak of thefts. Now I am no rocket scientist but it sure don't take one to fill up that 55 gallon barrel and have it shipped to a refiner in Cali. muriatic acid so you can mix them in the right amounts to make the acid that is needed to extract the metals. I won't go in to more detail than that. How do I or the recycler now the value of each? Surely they do not take them apart on the spot. Washington June 13.Honeoye Falls. like the starters & alternators? I know they have the copper windings inside. do they just weigh them and give you a set price. Dale R . you can go find what your looking . Well stop asking the how and just ask what's the best way to make the most money you can. Carol Stevens .Steve Shaw . is there other parts that might be worth my while to scrap. A barrel full is worth about 20. then you will need hydrochloric acid. That part is soooo simple anyone can do it.regardless? Just wondering if it will be worth my while to jack up and climb under and cut off the converters. I am currently in between jobs and could use the money to get me through. then you will need hydrochloric acid. New York May 12. do they? Or. And by the way if your still wanting to try it all your selves. you can go find what your looking for on the Discovery network. I also know they pay a lot less for 'dirty' metal as I scraped some aluminum window frames a few years ago and was paid a lot less for the ones that had screws and other metal still attached. 2008 "And by the way if your still wanting to try it all your selves. I won't go in to more detail than that. punch a hole in the converters and the beads will usually fall out.

so why not just melt it out (after all you probably do) because its easier. Regards." see it is that one lil sentence that is a bunch of bull. Dale from Texas suggested collecting the beads in barrels as the best place to position yourself in the recovery chain to make money simply and easily. that will explain all. 2008 Hi.for on the Discovery network.com Brick. Then Chuck from Purcell. OK explained an alternate way to do it by melting. • We've named books. New Jersey June 27. Then Adam from Mobile pointed you to a patent describing some methods. GOOD GRIEF! Y'KNOW.. I am sure they will have a re-run there. all metal will melt at some point. Tyler.Norfolk. "pouring brick after brick" of precious metal. perhaps without basic chemistry knowledge. • • • • • But instead of thanking anyone. Ted Mooney." why in the heck can't you people share what you know? instead you have to be all secretive and say oh it's dangerous and you need all these poisonous chemicals. It's just ridiculous. TED. Then Brian from Buffalo did the same.E. but went on to name a TV program if you want to go further. finishing. P. Please study. Tyler E .YOU ALWAYS HAVE SUCH A RESERVED CONTROL . Virginia June 19.. can perform a precious metal refining process. you demand that someone explain in one paragraph how people of unknown skill and experience. Cory from Tulsa explained in detail how the precious metals can be recovered. "I wont go into more detail than that. and then ask any detailed question you wish and people will probably be delighted to answer it. available from any library.. you tell us about chemicals to thwart us from trying when you people are probably just tossing them into a furnace and pouring brick after brick. 2008 OH. Why? just to try to discourage us because you don't want us possibly taking your profit if were in your area.

BUT. you're dead and everyone close to you. Wyoming July 4. I COULD GATHER ENOUGH STORY MATERIAL TO MAKE A VERY BIZARRE COMEDY.. BELIEVE ME. Umm.FOR HOURS AND HOURS. R. AAARRRRAGGGAAAHHHHH! OK..Moreno Valley.I GET A REGULAR DOSE OF COMMENTS FROM INDIVIDUALS CLAIMING THAT THERE'S GOTTA BE SOME SORT OF CONSPIRACY WITH REGARD TO ACTUAL RETRIEVABLE PGM LOADS FROM VARIOUS AUTO CATALYSTS AND INDUSTRIAL SUCCENTS... 2008 why when someone lays it out for you you think its wrong? its not safe you can't do it in your house or basement if you get it wrong you die!! SO look it up and then think about it!! get it wrong.I HEAR SOMETHING EVEN FUNNIER. I'LL GET THROUGH THIS TONIGHT. TED. I DEAL WITH VARIOUS SEGMENTS OF THE PGM RECYCLING INDUSTRY ON A DAILY (and nightly) BASIS AND EVERY TIME I THINK THAT I'VE HEARD IT ALL...gonna pour myself a good brandy.. cant fix dumb terry Pearson ..I'M ALRIGHT NOW... I SUPPOSE THAT I WOULD NEED TO WRITE-IN A FEW CHASE SCENES AND OTHER HI-TENSION SUBJECT MATTER TO HOLD GENERAL AUDIENCE INTERESTS.AND BEFORE MY SIDE STOPS HURTING FROM UNCONTROLLED LAUGHTER. I DON'T KNOW IF I WOULD WANT TO INCLUDE THE PERSONAL REALITY OF ME WAKING UP IN A COLD-CLAMMY SWEAT. MANY TIMES THE ACTUAL AMOUNTS OF THOSE PRECIOUS METALS THAT EXIST IN THE SPENT CATALYSTS.. California July 4..WITH YOUR RESPONSES TO THESE POSTS AND I DO ADMIRE YOU FOR THAT. 2008 I have started down the Aqua regia route for reclaiming PMG's from cats which I'm quite .(on a good night) FROM DREAMING ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS THESE MISDIRECTED. ONE HAS TO WONDER IF THEY ARE JOKING WITH US OR (even worse) ARE ACTUALLY SERIOUS ABOUT SOME OF THEIR FANTASTIC BELIEFS AND STATEMENTS.. NOW.. OK. THERE...... Allen Cook pgm refiner ..OK.I HAVE NOTHING TO SAY. AND THEY ALSO BELIEVE THAT THE PROCESS IS SIMPLE AND COSTS VERY LITTLE TO DO IT. I.. SO MANY OF THEM DO BELIEVE THAT WE MUST BE SALVAGING MANY. SCREAMING..I UNDERSTAND JUST HOW OFTEN YOU MUST BITE YOUR LIP AND GIVE A SIGNIFICANT PAUSE TO REFLECT ON THE ABSURDITIES SOME OF THESE POSTERS KEY-OUT.I WILL..rock springs.. IN ANY MONTH..'TILL IT STARTS ALL OVER AGAIN TOMORROW MORNING.... I SWEAR... NAIVE AND SOMETIMES HYSTERICAL PEOPLE HAVE TO SAY TO ME ON THE PHONE OR eMAIL... YEAH.

New Zealand July 4. I Remain. they would know that the current market price for an ounce of platinum is closer to $4k. Scott. etc.) for all to use.London. and my son who is a . Sincerely. 2008 Also.Palacios. Step #2 Strip the insides of the converter and place into a large crucible. I personally think people are misguided in their amateur precious metal recovery efforts. yahoo. the current market for rhodium is closer to £18K. What I can't fathom with Chuck's method though is that separation of the PMG's seem to be straight forward but the scientific papers on the subject say you only get separation of the PMG's if you use a carrier metal such as copper.Palmerston Nth. I too am interested in procuring platinum from catalytic converters. Is there any one who can steer us folks in the correct step by step procedures? What # step do the different chemicals get added in? As soon as I obtain the correct step by step procedures for the extraction of platinum from auto catalytic converters. 2008 Why is it that all these cat convertor thieves are asking how to extract the platinum. Don Weaver hobbyist . I have tried googling on the internet and I have not found any significant "steps" to extract platinum from converters. I would like to thank whom ever sends this information so that it can be distributed to people who do need extra income for their families. that is how we know there is no real interest in the metal other than its resale value. I have read these questions and also the answers in great detail tying to resolve the correct procedures to make these extractions of platinum. but I have no reason to assume they are thieves. Chuck? Bob Keen . England July 9. could someone give the correct Step #1 Open up the converter with a torch. if anyone had done their homework. I guess in some areas there is catalytic converter theft but I've never heard of an incident in my local newspapers or on my TV stations.comfortable with. Thank you again. I do like Chuck's method however and if I had seen it early enough would have gone down that road as it appears nice and clean. Perhaps the key to it is the flux's that Chuck uses! Any comments. Scott Edgeler . Texas July 9. However. and so on until the last step of removing slag from the platinum. etc. I will post it on the major internet services (google. Step #3 Melt all of the contents. being a retired scientist(chemist). 2008 Hi.

. C'MON. STOP IT SCOTT. finishing.local cop here hasn't seen any incidences of it either.. 2008 OMG. would this work? How many times do you have melt the gold to remove all of the impurities? Does the waste or slag eventually come to the surface and then it is easy to pour out or do you have to strain it somehow? How do you measure the purity of gold? Where do you sell your gold when your done? What kind of price should I expect for an ounce of refined gold? (I know what gold is worth.moreno valley. P. If you've suffered a theft yourself. Silica flour. I am interested in getting into this so I have been doing some research. 2008 My question is for chuck who last posted on this topic back in April. California July 14. New Jersey July 11.E.. I'm sorry for you -. PLEEZ. I intend to go to . borax [link is to product info]. WHY ARE U QUOTING SUCH ABSURD SPOT-PRICES FOR PLATINUM AND PALLADIUM? IF YOU WILL REFER TO THE CURRENT DAILY PGM CHARTS DISPLAYED BY KITCO. Could you use these same chemicals when melting jewelry? How does this process work? How much of each chemical should be used? What do you use? Also I was thinking of using an electric kiln capable of 2300 F. but I am not sure how close to full price I would be able to get for it). allen cook ..IT'S STARTING AGAIN.JUST KEY-OUT "KITCO" OK? I'M GONNA GO TO BED NOW. r. I know when they are refining gold after being mined they use a combination of these five chemicals Manganese Dioxide.but please don't demand that we make the presumption that anyone we see climbing the church steps is on their way to rob the poor box :-) Regards. YOU WILL KNOW A LITTLE MORE ABOUT WORLD MARKET PRECIOUS METALS BUYING AND SELLING VALUES.com Brick. You said that you reclaimed gold from jewelry. SCOTT. but I have some questions.GAWD. fluoride. along with a graphite crucible. and Sodium Nitrate to remove the impurities from the gold.... Ted Mooney. Any answers anyone can provide on this topic would be greatly appreciated..

They indicate that in 1993 cats contained 60 g of precious metals but with new technologies this has been reduced so that now cats only contain 5 g of precious metals and this equates approximately to 3. I have some chemistry lab experience. I am very tempted to try my hand at recovering metals from cats. plus Z for . in a cat has a value: A. what you know (like chemistry). you might do very well building relationships with owners of repair shops. including concentrated acids. Garret Boyer .19 g platinum.take your pick. California July 14. and what you are good at... 2. You have to decide where you want to fit in the process.) You want a plasma cutter to work at speed. Because cats run at extremely high temperatures. Bob Keen . plus Y for (1) the work and expense of collecting them and (2) developing his network of suppliers (the repair shops). The large English company of Johnson Matthey supply 1 in 3 cars worldwide with cats. He can sell them to a processor for X. but the body of the cat itself.Vista. Friend of mine runs a repair shop. about 15 cats a week. The processor must cut open the cats and remove the core (that's where the platinum is.78 g rhodium . The info is available on the web. etc. He is currently getting $30 each. the chemicals required are. (If you are good with people. If you mess up. 3. B.the library to do more research but if I could talk to someone who has actually done something like this it would help. Is this a reasonable price? He works primarily on higher priced cars. explosion .so it looks as though if you want to get the most out of cat processing you grab the earlier cats most of whom will contain only platinum and palladium. New Zealand July 14.) . 2008 Some pertinent information for potential cat processors. you will not get a second chance. fire. The value of your part of the process depends on how much work you want to do. (I'm not talking about the pipes on either side.Palmerston North. he pays them X per. Guy picks up cats from repair shops. Every step towards recovering platinum. the steel parts are high grade and not easy to cut. 2008 1. Think boiling acid. in fact. You see where this is leading. 1.) The processor can sell the core for X + Y.. however. very dangerous.04 g palladium and 0. C.

this is a chemical process that is dangerous. I liked the post that spoke to finding your place in the distribution chain i. difficult and dirty and is a 'pro's only' game requiring much knowledge to avoid death and harm . since no one has asked it yet. Arizona USA July 18. 2008 I'll take the easy road . Yes. do multiple levels in the process and avoid what they are not good at .like playing with VooDoo dolls or something... No chem degree required or magical explosions or secretive myths. You do not need to break out the boiling acid to make a buck. If you read through this post and all the threads you will find that there are two pools of thought. 1. . or you are happy to concentrate the cores to the point that that you are comfortable with and learn as you go then that is a great plan.Ardsley. High temp acid and playing with chemical mixtures at any temperature is a great start to a bad weekend. You do NOT have to use a complex and dangerous chemical process to recover these metals unless you need high yield recovery..be it chemistry or people (Ted). get a life. get some cats and refine your process through the chain as you feel comfortable and safe. sourcing the CCs. And actually they are right.e.Phoenix. Then learn / test the next step and so forth. The level you wish to extract to depends on the level of work & knowledge OR test & try you . Suggestion: if you do not need cash but want to start a play just start stockpiling CCs. Bottom line if you are happy with less recovery. This is a basic process of extraction.Frank Richardson . OR 2. Laura Shea . what year did they start and stop putting the precious beads in these converters? Actually it's a question of curiosity . they are making a killing but only the ones that stay quiet. start at step 1.that you apply. New York July 14.. 2008 Ted Wow.

learn to buy cats.. or sell it as-is. i..yip. Jolly Roger PS Ted nothing actually against you however I see your feedback and others in the business as being very transparent including mr CAPITALS. Texas July 18. stripped the cores. Imagine though if you bought CC for 5 years.that why they are in the car.don't outline problems but give better solutions so they can learn and grow.Dallas. Take a long term view. Then if you decide the biz (or parts of the biz) is not for you you can sell your cores and cash out and probably make more because the metal prices keep going up.so I don't know what you mean about "your feedback and others in the business as being very transparent". My chemistry and people skills may not be good. Jon. So we'll be happy to print more postings from you. That's when you cash in. refine. Its a closed poverty and scarcity mindset that tries to infect others with the difficulty you found learning it. instead why not try to help .when you get better later and have more skills and contacts you can convert for cash or refine it to the next step of stripping the cores well.e. I don't engage in any business except this website and haven't for many years -. Jon Decker personal interest . but they've been adequate to keep this site going for more than a quarter million postings over 19 years. There are carcinogens (cancer causing agents) in exhaust and many bad chemicals . . wear breathing and other protection.. Be mindful of environmental impacts and keep the cores well stored. learn to compact the cores.. learn to safely strip cats. Get rich quick? Nope. So do your 55 gallon drum but keep the drum & learn or sell it only once you know more about its real value.. did a fast refinement to concentrate and then started doing the processing side. So you are dealing with some pretty bad radicals so be safe. Regards. One last point is keep in mind the cores are dangerous from step 1. 2008 Hi. Get wealthy as you go . but only if they talk about the topic rather than the other posters. I learned that the single most important thing necessary for a durable public forum website is to not print ad hominem attacks.

. 2008 just a quick note. Africa and Asia.Brunswick.Taunusstein. Please explain. or did you just hear from someone that you could sell them for that much.Ted Mooney. and believe you can do it with platinum. New Jersey July 19.Vista.Atlanta. aqua regia is made with . Mims Research .com Brick. Garret Boyer . I have done this with gold. Collins Emeka Ali wholesaler . calculated in kg? I get my goods from Europe. i want a direct dealer. Georgia July 21. 2008 I believe I know how. Germany July 20.. finishing.E. Georgia July 22. company that buy complete cat converter or buy those that have been removed from the case. 2008 I have been searching for company or companies that recycle auto catalytic converter to transact business with. but it is dangerous. Hessen. California July 22. I called around to a few places and they say you can't get nearly that much for them. 2008 Hey Dale you said that you can ship a 55 gallon barrel full of CC beads to a refinery in CA.your use of ounces and the confusion of value may be because the measure of TROY ounces for platinum is different from a standard ounce i believe MARCUS Hardy . P. you will need to dissolve it in a hot aqua regia. What's the name of the refinery? Did you actually fill up a 55 gallon barrel full of the beads and sell it for $20.000 to a refinery in CA. 2008 I think you should look at what other products have Platinum in them there must be other applications that are not so hard to find electronics maybe? L.

You will have to crack the ceramic in a few places to accelerate the melt. here's a message from a Firefighter/EMT/Hazmat Tech: You have no more business doing "do it yourself" metallurgy of this type than you have making your own fireworks or booze. See you soon. but seriously folks. 2008 I am going to explain the easiest way to do this. please at least warn the folks at 9-1-1 before you start.wired. the melting point of platinum is 1755°C. cover the remainder with water. acids are very dangerous when you heat them. what? Oh. Georgia August 8. this makes the acid start to work. This can be done in a 30 gallon steel barrel with a crucible inside. Washington Ed. Well. And don't ask me to do too much readin! (No. see-.blog.Grand Rapids. never mind. Wait. I got me some cat converters we found just hangin off the cars in the walmart parkin lot. to get the $50. platinum. gold appears as a white powder on the filter. 2008 hey I'm touss in ga and want to know more about selling these cats i have in my junk cars! please do help who buys them and how much? touss black auto sales . note: Regarding theft of catalytic convertors. First you take the contents of the CC whether it be beads or honeycomb and melt it.Bremerton. Chuck was the smartest and closest poster yet.000 worth of palladium. Next take it to an area far away from human traffic . However keep in mind that it can be extremely dangerous if you are not constantly paying attention. 2008 Hey. and me and some of my buds here in the trailer park are thinkin of settin up an advanced precious metals extraction lab in my shed (thinkin of callin it "Hazmat Heaven") and I wanna know from you people what's a cheap easy way I can learn from one post.) Fred Weivraer .hydrochloric and nitric acids.com/cars/2008/02/asplatinum-soa. and kryptonite and stuff. I am not sure about platinum.html July 30. after you dissolve the platinum you can recover it by filtering out the acid through a coffee filter. the fumes and smoke are . much hotter than gold at 1063°C I hope this helps and gives you enough information that you will be able to make a good decision on is it really worth it! Dennis Misenar . After the melt has cooled cover half of it with chemically pure nitric acid. Michigan August 4. titanium. uranium.morrow. It is best to use a large ceramic coated cooks pot so you don't have to transfer the liquid later.

. Zinc. All metals give off varying degrees of toxic fumes during the smelting process. the acid will eat everything but gild and platinum metals . Gold.. Platinum .St. Aluminum. Does this not fit in with your description of the two metals being melted? As I see it for any one who has. you have been rather shy in coming back with answers but you may come back on this one. I've carried out a literature search the results of which indicate that with the crucible furnace approach the temperature of the contents of the crucible must be such as to melt the precious metal under consideration for it to form a button of metal in the bottom of the mould. What is the process for extraction/recovery of platinum from vehicle catalytic converters that makes it "risky" or "near-impossible" ? . Copper. Steel.Hi Chuck. If any of you readers try this approach please report back on the minimum amount of litharge you can use and don't be so damn secretive. then dissolve the lead (and the palladium will also go) out of the button with nitric acid leaving the platinum behind. or can build a crucible furnace capable of melting bronze your still in the picture.Palmerston North. This means it takes a crucible furnace that can melt bronze if you want to recover silver or gold but you need a special crucible furnace that can reach above the upper limit of iron to at least melt the palladium which would act as a carrier metal for platinum which melts at a higher temperature.truly DEADLY. New Zealand August 22.. Iron. there is always danger in attempting to extract precious or semi-precious metal due to the heat and gas-release aspect. Mercury. Florida August 21. 2008 A query to Chuck . 2008 . Petersburg. Different metals require different temperatures to melt/smelt/separate. Tin. All must be MELTED (smelted)to a liquid or semi-liquid state in order to separate it from all other metals/minerals/waste. Put this on an old gas barbecue with a side burner and heat it . Sliver. Yes. Bob Keen . Carry out a large scale fire assay approach and add litharge to the flux mix. Some metals must undergo multiple smeltings to be purified to a level which makes "recovery/collection" feasible. take what is left in the bottom of the pot to a refiner and they will refine it and pay you much more than you will get if you sell them whole. The PbO is reduced to lead which acts as a carrier metal for the precious metals. REMEMBER this is very dangerous but it works Angelo C retired ..

cathode and anode for a 7 kw solid oxide fuel cell to produce electricity.. 2008 I am trying to come up with enough platinum from an automobile's catalytic converters to build the stacks. Texas October 13. just curious . Keep up the good work. foundry equipment.Houston. 2008 Hi I have a reactor for leaching catalysts same catalytic convertors process is simple and .West Blocton. As an outsider having come in this subject with an impartial point of view and having reached a conclusion..and the ceramic that are found in cat converters. DON'T. Can anyone steer me in the right direction and method to obtain the elements that is inside the catalytic converter. Forget it. Mississippi August 26... 2008 My. let me say to others before they post: IF YOU ARE THINKING OF TRYING TO GET INTO THE PRECIOUS METALS EXTRACTION BUSINESS AS A SMALL TIME PERSONAL BUSINESS. It is a risky criminal venture and you'll be making probably about $50 off of it. And further is it possible and feasible and cost effective? William Perry researcher . Cheers Ian Vollers . G'Day ! . what a strange and interesting corner of the internet this is to have stumbled into.. Alabama October 27. DON'T. i..Jackson.. This requires $millions. Like how to separate the platinum from the other elements. IF YOU ARE THINKING OF STEALING CATALYTIC CONVERTERS TO SELL FOR PROFIT. You can only profit from refining the platinum if you are set up to do it in a professional working environment. you are truly a wise man replying calmly to a variety of wildly different and equally stupid comments in your own due time..e. Ted. There are easier ways to scrounge up fifty bucks. rch Richard Howell .

NEVER ADD WATER TO ACID. splashing concentrated acid out of the container! If you add acid to water... But I will say: DO NOT LISTEN TO Angelo C retired . Travis Watkins . DIGITAL SCALE $27. FL.. Kentucky 6 ACID GOLD TEST KIT + PLUS ONE 600 GR...Swansea. and never the reverse.if not sorry for wasting your time. most discoveries are made from mistakes after all. you form an extremely concentrated solution of acid initially. the solution that forms is very dilute and the small amount of heat released is not enough to vaporize and spatter it. So Always Add Acid to water. November 21.Lexington.St. 2008 Sorry folks had to say something on the subject.. Dave tupps .Esfahan. Alaska . Mahmoodbeigi .K.effective recovery platinum is 97% in this process we load pacol catalyst about 15 KG then add sodium cyanide 60 liter 1% after 2 h and 160 c platinum and other precious metals dissolve we recover solution on anionic resin after burning resin we have pure platinum then this platinum purified. and zinc are hard for me to identify unless I already know what it is.aluminum.silver. So if you know where to acquire one. I don't normally write on forums just read them.89 2h 00m View all disclaimer December 15. If anyone knows of a place it would be most helpful.. U.. Dennis Klabel peddler .. Wales. I don't know how much of it is pure or not but I'm having a hard time finding a place i can sell to. platinum.. 2008 I was given some platinum shavings from my father in law.. So much heat is released that the solution may boil very violently. Iran November 12. Petersburg. Anyhow it's not anyone's place to say you shouldn't experiment with these suggestions.hollis. If you add water to acid. 2008 I need to find the device that is used to identify which precious metal I have acquired..please reply. Some precious metals are obvious but..

The principle is that if a droplet of water is added to strong acid.St.. I must fill a 55 gallon drum with 10 gallons of hydrochloric acid and then dilute with 45 gallons of water. This isn't just book stuff. heat is produced.. you form an extremely concentrated solution of acid initially. Regards. at my place of employment. splashing concentrated acid out of the container! If you add acid to water. I think that you should read up and lean the do and don'ts of the process but in the end. Chris Jones . 2008 "DO NOT LISTEN TO Angelo Casa retired . So much heat is released that the solution may boil very violently. P. you can have a situation where that droplet is surrounded by concentrated acid and as it begins to mix. and then you'll never have a problem wondering whether the acid is weak enough to keep you out of trouble.. Now. it's real stuff that has injured many people. the solution that forms is very dilute and the small amount of heat released is not enough to vaporize and spatter it. Petersburg. I add another gallon of the same acid to the 5 gallon pail. everyone should be allowed to experiment with these processes and perhaps learn a better way to extract these precious metals. finishing. When water and acid are mixed. it may cause no problem. If you add water to acid. Once weekly. and never the reverse. New Jersey December 19. So Always Add Acid to water. it seems that some haven't even read the whole forum. this is called the heat of liberation. and it's the safe procedure to learn.. NEVER ADD WATER TO ACID. Most of the new questions have been answered farther back. Never been a problem with it. Chris.December 21..let's pretend I have a 5 gallon pail with 1 gallon of hydrochloric acid in it.Neenah Wisconsin Hi.com Brick. the heat of liberation can be great enough to flash that droplet of water to steam and blow concentrated acid out of the mixing container. Ted Mooney. But Angelo is correct about the principle. not the concentration. I am only changing the volume of acid.. As for being informed and the morality of "stealing" a process. . 2008 I must add that thus far.. simple or not. This has been done this way every week since the place opened in 1967.E. FL. If you add water to an acid which is already sufficiently diluted." I completely disagree.

2008 Cats are worth about $50-75 when the scrap prices are good. they have the best cat prices. I can understand but just cutting the cats open and the shipping all the insides to someone who is more trained and . if it does. Others that actually take into consideration about the money they will make off you. Lisa Harrison hobbyist . The process of extracting these materials was only partially aired on TV not too long ago where the spokesman of the company let slip that cats do the same filtering and collecting as his plant does through filtering emissions. platinum. do so. though. Ontario. you will learn that gold. Some scrap yards try to pay you the minimum price ($5). (no good) also if you shake it it should not make a noise if it is full. Good luck and be careful. adding to the cat's original metal content.. This is why you can buy a $200 cat and 5 years later. You are in fact collecting these precious materials for someone else to make a lot of profit. is there any companies who sell these system ? (the Metals recovering system . This makes the cats more valuable than they actually started off as and this discovery had been made some 30 years ago. If you can refine it yourself though the above mentioned process by the others. but the refineries wouldn't be there unless it was absolutely worth it. sell it for about $100 (where it just seems to be an old piece of junk) The gentleman had shown a tray of blackish powder and stated that its contents were platinum and palladium (mostly) and was worth over 3 million dollars. as for half full half empty they are talking bout how much stuff is inside the cat. The cats actually catch these metal particles.. 2009 Ok I understand everybody's concern in the welfare of other's safety. You may be doing a small favor to the environment.Alberta.. in Monticello MN they have Integrated Recycling.. that I am responding is if you check up about gas and other such fossil fuel emissions. will pay 50-75 dollars. Minnesota January 7. even though the process is complex enough. Better to have the money in your pocket than someone else's. are found in these fuels and are released into the air upon burning.. there are places all around Minnesota that buy old cats. if you can see through the end it is hollow. Think about it.Ottawa.The real reason.Willmar. some places even pay up to a hundred. Canada December 26. Mike Brown .not the bio diesel one ) ? Fahd Mellal . 2008 I thinking what most of the people want to know is if there is a complete prefabricated system we can buy and use to extract this metals. like the bio diesel making system . Canada December 31.. the cat is still worth something just not the full price. palladium.. etc.

it is now legal in Texas to kill someone who is stealing from you. Pennsylvania January 17. make and model of their vehicle. I ran across this after the catcon was stolen from under my 4Runner whilst at the grocery store. Michael Manning . ask the scumbag thief if his/her life is worth getting caught. BTW. that someone seeking the "easy" (read that as idiot's) way to extract the precious metals is more than likely a thief. I am just curious to see what type of money can really be made I am never shy of a new business venture. But from what I have noticed is 75% of the people that were asking about which ones were worth more or demanding to know how to refine/extract the rare minerals out are the thieves. Mine was stolen yesterday while it was parked outside my apartment. Thank You BRAD Bradley Kemp . Food for thought: If you don't want to take the time to read these posts or want to learn then your setting yourself up for failure.Round Rock. as well as license plate number. 2009 Hello all. Just remember. In Seattle alone its a huge business stealing cats and from the looks of it its spreading all over the US. The thieves have been stealing from hard working people who may not really to be able to afford replacement parts. Good luck . rather. and possibly take a photo of the seller to insure that they can be reached if it turns out they have been buying and selling stolen parts. and I know of many people in my area who will be protecting their vehicles with a shotgun.Pittsburgh. If there is a way that I can do this please share. change your policies to force sellers of catcons to provide their photo ID. There was a lot of good info that was given and very helpful.experienced with the right resources in this type of field sounds like a good idea to me. This is becoming an epidemic. and I have heard of someone who has been hit 3 times. If you are a scrap dealer. Do not ask me if the catcon is worth someone's life. Texas January 31. 2009 I spent the time reading through every post that was made.

Second. Most people refining these metals don't have a clue as to the chemistry involved. If we knew which posters (if any) were thieves. The only way a small minority refiner can compete with larger more well heeled refiners is to have figured out a way to do the job smarter and cheaper. we wouldn't print their inquiries :-) I reported earlier that my son. light. and get the same results. You can Google books on inorganic chemistry and just download . That being said. 2009 Hi.E. They just do as they saw their boss do. Google it. The bottom line is: There is no great mystery to metals refining and it is not hard. There is so much confusion and disinformation in this thread I just had to say something.com Brick. Why? Because I paid for my education. hadn't encountered catalytic converter theft -. and that has made them targets (because thieves can rob them en masse from a car dealership with less noise. Once I tell the world that. I'm not going to use Ted's site to promote another. Giving the fruits of that labor for free assigns no value to my work. First. Ted Mooney. and welding smoke to attract attention. in time and research and experimentation and labor. Sorry that you were a victim of this theft.no saw or torch. Regards. New Jersey February 5.but that has changed.David Fiiola . 2009 Okay. finishing. we are editing postings that claim that particular converters are 'better' to get hold of than others. there is a gold refining website I saw that tells you a lot more than I would have. So as this trend of catalytic converter theft continues to spread. He noted that on some new models the converter can be removed with wrenches . David. a local cop. I suggest learning chemistry well enough to know what is happening. I am not going to tell you how to refine the Platinum Group Metals (PGMs) either. P. Also. note that knowledge is power. We'll let specialty sites that carry more detail guide the readers on which converters are more valuable. I put myself out of business.Seattle Washington February 2. because "better" can be code for "easier to steal". I can't take it anymore.

without heat (or w/ slight solar) in plastic buckets and barrels. BTW the metals from fire refining will be nowhere near pure. step by step method of doing this. This actually will get you some PGMs. I in turn found out the secret. However this is a teaser. it is someone trying to find a new more complicated way to do it. there is no simpler. 2008 I too used to think like most of you until I talked to a gentleman who owns a bronze sculpture foundry. You should have the same level of knowledge and training needed for those. treat with Ammonium chloride. (And the term reflux might confuse many).and read them. Wha??? I don't know where to start on this one. April 30. just a process someone tried to adapt to PGMs. as I did. HNO3). +++++++ The process to do so is known as carbochlorination and the simplified textbook definition of the process is as follows: . Why reinvent the wheel? Forget this manner completely. This is nonsense.. Why would you use silica sand to flux an aluminosilicate? With the low temp of a bronze furnace. but not all contained. you NEVER need to use Cyanides or hydrofluoric acid. I am also going to suggest that all of you get rich quick guys. dry and heat to 500 C to remove impurities. .. You can get it easily and cheaply (free for electronics in most municipalities). wash with HCl. I don't plan on giving you a guide to how I make my living. There are many available online from the 1800s and early 1900s... As an aside. and then you have almost pure platinum and palladium. There are a few more needed steps you are not told .. strain the resulting solution and dispose of the ceramic. it isn't even a process for PGMs. or for Cat Con substrate.. evaporate. from this point on I am going to go over these posts from the start and add input. but I do want to help stop people from doing "stupid human tricks" in the mistaken belief they are learning something. For that matter. You also don't have to use Nitric acid. There are other oxidizers. safely if you build your own scrubbers. So. There are safer substitutes. The base metals also have value and will help you stay profitable. with cheap readily available chemicals. you can refine it at room temperature. It's no more dangerous than plating or finishing. The best you will get is micro-beads embedded in flux. in the library more than 30 years ago and use a search engine to find the modern terms for the archaic ones he uses (Although we still use "aqua regia").. you would need a much more aggressive flux and the metals won't drop anyway. This is not the ordinary way to do it. ++++++ Recovery is dangerous and shouldn't be attempted by an untrained individual though. Or read De Re Metallica. 2008 Reflux the honeycomb in aqua regia (HCl. April 24. A Crucible and crucible furnace is all you need along with some borax and silica sand.If you can't understand that then you're out of luck. drop Cat Converters and concentrate on electronic scrap and low grade plated stuff.

Fumes and smoke. . platinum and palladium and saved a filtrate of silver chloride (and maybe some mercury and lead chloride).. 2008 .. dental lab. 2008 And by the way if your still wanting to try it all your selves. 2008 Carry out a large scale fire assay approach and add litharge to the flux mix This melt will take hours to drop the metals. let's all just assume this guy is joking. He will take his cut.. 2008 .. 2008 I am going to explain the easiest way to do this. muriatic acid so you can mix them in the right amounts to make the acid that is needed to extract the metals.Where do you sell your gold when your done? Ah. August 8. . If so. Chuck was the smartest and closest poster yet. You just told everyone to mix an acid with itself to extract.. People. you might also have saved tin on the filter. However keep in mind that it can be extremely dangerous if you are not constantly paying attention. then you will need hydrochloric acid. . Silica flour.. July 4. Therefore your goal is not to produce absolutely pure metals. still be selling to a refiner. But he points you in the right direction. July 22.. The reason you refine your metals is to separate them so you can't be beaten in an assay or weighing. commercial (technical) nitric will work very vigorously without adding water.. Could you use these same chemicals when melting jewelry? This is for fire refining. Unless you have an end user (caster.. In a jewelry melt it will not separate the silver or palladium. In a really bizarre case. depending on how you used your nitric. and Sodium Nitrate to remove the impurities from the gold.. Chuck? Chuck's method as listed is claptrap. In most of these posts no one has examined the question of what to do with it once you have refined it. June 13. in the end. Melt ceramic in a ceramic pot? How about melting ice in a block of ice? Chemically pure nitric acid? What is that? Water makes the acid work? Trust me. July 14. Electric kilns are not a good idea. August 21.use a combination of these five chemicals Manganese Dioxide. you dumped the gold. You will not get pure precious metals with fire refining.. I agree: you're no rocket scientist...I was thinking of using an electric kiln capable of 2300 F.here. along with a graphite crucible The crucible will not last long with those oxidizing fluxes and you will need an awful lot of flux. gold appears as a white powder on the filter Hope you didn't dump all that funny yellow green colored solution after you kept your "white powder on the filter". Borax. won't be pure enough for a plater) you will. but simply highly purified metals. fluoride. The lead fumes will get you an EPA summons.where is this guy? The EPA will lock your ass up. Period. there's the rub. 2008 Perhaps the key to it is the flux's that Chuck uses! Any comments.after you dissolve the platinum you can recover it by filtering out the acid through a coffee filter.

Gary Wilson . I received a lot of enjoyment in refining by making little discoveries no one else had. as far as efficiencies and techniques. Get a test kit from a jewelers supply company. silver. Wrong. palladium. 1 bottle of nitric plus table salt. The metals in the exhaust are from your engine parts wearing and oxidizing and blowing past the rings via the oil. Or get the test stone and the empty bottles and make your own. This sounds like an Eco Urban Myth to me. and have fun on your projects. Gary. and zinc are hard for me to identify unless I already know what it is. 2008 in this process we load pacol catalyst about 15 KG then add sodium cyanide From what I have seen from the posts here. what do you do to recover the palladium? August 22. set up safely... aluminum.You will spend more money on fuel and litharge than you will make in PGMs. New York February 12.. that was quite an exposition! Regards. If you dissolve the lead and palladium.Mount Vernon. a test stone. Some precious metals are obvious but. The slag will be loaded with lead and illegal to dump except as a hazardous waste. are found in these fuels. though. and a set of test needles. 2008 I need to find the device that is used to identify which precious metal I have acquired. 2008 The real reason. and during the sulfuric acid treatment of the petroleum. check this website for posts on testing the various metals. For the other metals. Pyro-metallurgy is not the way for the small operator to go. The metals in the fuels would be captured in the asphalt tailings left from distillation. Examining the slag under a microscope. 2008 All must be MELTED (smelted)to a liquid or semi-liquid state in order to separate it from all other metals/minerals/waste. Hydro-metallurgy is. etc. that I am responding is if you check up about gas and other such fossil fuel emissions. NO ONE inquiring should ever touch cyanide. 1 bottle of nitric. November 21. Good luck guys. I also found the chemistry itself to be fascinating. 2009 Thanks. you will learn that gold. Nothing NEEDS to be melted until you are ready to make it into a bar. . December 19. you will still see metal beads that didn't drop. platinum.. platinum. Do your research first. October 27.

4 nines purity. I have also tried to smelt the gold from my cons using a furnace and flux. Typically the prices that you find online for semi-precious and precious metals are for a specific grade . and will cut into your profits significantly. with larger batches comes larger setup and equipment costs.Medford. who's going to buy it? Most of . The methods that Chuck suggested in heating will probably work if you have a better understanding of this process than I do.Sacramento. resulting in a certificate of analysis. make your batch really big. one of which I will expand on: how to sell the metal once it's purified. Here is where economies of scale come in. separate the honeycomb. finishing. Going to an assay lab to get a single sample assayed is not cheap. and your assay cost per kilo drops. But. . The more valuable a metal is.com Brick. 2009 i smelted my catalytic converter with a torch and got a silver metal of about the size of 4 quarters i was wondering what type of metal it is thanks yev yevgeniy ganchenko hobbyist. and so on. Oregon March 4. California March 27. I have played with acids (hydrofluoric) and others and created more problems than I started with in the "simple" recovery of gold from rock. New Jersey February 12. The chemical process seems to be the best.g. Right? Hello. but with my limited desire to play with extremely or mildly dangerous chemicals and also stay alive I will skip this. I think if I cut the cats. If your metal does not meet the grade. the more your potential buyer is going to expect you to prove the purity. or 99. Scott Myers . I will get more for my time and less potential lose to my health. Now even if you've spent the money to get your Pt assayed. Good luck to any one who wants to do this in their garage. you will NOT get anywhere near top dollar. I appreciate the knowledge of others who are looking to recover platinum from cats. I am not stupid nor a scientist. This generally means getting a representative sample of your batch assayed. Gary Wilson has made some excellent points.99% pure. 2009 EASY MONEY. again more problems.e. 2009 The company I work for refines semi-precious metals to semiconductor grade (7 nines).Ted Mooney. P. I am going back to primitive for gold recovery and will let the professionals do their thing with the platinum.E. increased hazard and risk.

I too am interested in refining Plat. 2009 . . Ted. note: if you're looking for entertainment in the dialogs. in my opinion. In fact they're trying to tell you what you NEED to hear . The easiest money. I plan to return . but leave the refining for someone else. 2009 Hi Ted. or brain surgery can be explained in a simplistic step-by-step fashion via a blog. .Ted 12044 :-) March 30. I have read through this entire thread as some others have. It would seem the obvious and safest way would be to salvage the converters and store the guts of them into a drum for resale at a later date.hopefully I'll find an equally entertaining thread to read! Al E .the companies we deal with cannot buy from just anyone . but if you don't have access to the customers who can and will pay top dollar. ( www. . would be to follow the advice of Dale R. my advice to some of you is that you shouldn't bother trying to extract the Pt yourself if: . for the informative site. Yes.shorinternational.you don't know the difference between a gram and an ounce. After reading this entire thread.you don't know the difference between HCl and muriatic acid. easier.you've never heard of PPE.you have to be a qualified supplier or have a quality management system in place (in other words ISO certification).you think there's some sort of conspiracy afoot simply because no one is telling you what you WANT to hear. By the way.British Columbia. has anyone tried to zone refine Pt? Thanks. you won't likely get top dollar. Concentrate the Pt.you don't know what a fume hood is. you will be able to sell your metal to someone out there. . does anybody have any experience with the iShor system.Glovertown NL Canada April 4. and won't cost yours or your family's health.com) if so what were you results? Thanks Glenn Glenn Burry . . my all-time favorite is letter -. Al. My question is. Canada ---Ed.you're just not listening.you think a complex process such as Pt-extraction. It's cleaner.

had trouble moving. glued to the laptop. to flame assay. from contracts to futures. whether the customer might come back. to grams to ounces. While working this morning I constantly got sidetracked searching for gold ounce. deny it. to sell at 90% of spot. a watch movement). That lead me to extraction. and they shook hands with an air of respect. etc. rejected some. from bullion and bars to coins and jewelry. coins. Did you prospectors know this is used in cell phone capacitors. price of gold. I must admit. up until this moment. then told the man that if he left the offer would be void. sell amounts based over spot. A "gold buyer" bought two laptops. to what might be in Grandma's drawer. With no malice at all. depending on quality. and said that he was driving over to his dealer. On Friday. That simple. From breaking up the parts first. he once used a very expensive looking specific gravity machine because he wasn't sure about a piece. ambiance. to Monex. I witnessed at least six transactions with actual customers. bullion. I was interested. I have spent the last five hours of my life. because of low corrosion. based on karats of course. a router. and it's heavier than Pt!!! :) Of course I then ended up at "retrieving gold from computer parts". but a necessity for something else. I installed the equipment. because she had a sick child with her. and wireless printer from me last week for his new location. He literally begged to be able to leave and check a few places. and help him set up a simple Excel spreadsheet for the weight/karat/price calculations.This has been fascinating! I work on computer systems for small offices. upped it by $100 once. or spread the word to others. The seller sat in a chair for a full 30 minutes! He made a few calls on his cell. He used a calculator to reduce the weights to actual gold content.) The customer would either accept the price. He was an old man. car. I read about alchemy. he had the gold packed up. to Kitco. At that point. repeatedly. junk. Judging by the equipment. While there. 486s are good. potentially wasting a beautiful Saturday afternoon. from Karat percentages. (He paid one woman more than 70%. from buy amounts based on spot. based on 55% to 70% of spot. From eBay. or they might haggle for a few minutes. or other factors. That's the business. he stone tested it with acids. it seemed as though he is no longer working out of a necessity for money. etc. etc. to the . I left with him at the end of the day. sometimes on the PCBs. in the processors. then he quoted a price. etc. kept others. computers being my own acquired skill. Pentiums not so much. the old man said no. if there were other items in the weight (stones. from Platinum to Gold to Silver to Rhodium to Palladium. He weighed the material (necklaces. He said those types of things come back to you. watches. The old man made an offer. I was hooked. from refiners to traders to storage facilities. to other acids. He sold the gold. I even spent a good ten minutes a good ten minutes on Tantalum. the discovery of Pt. the gold is in the contacts. to filters.). One customer had a 135 grams between a bracelet and a watch. to aqua regia.

I love Ted's well mannered and well thought out mediations. based on sales and networking. a few weeks ago. is an understood human condition. I would see this young man every couple of weeks. That's how I found this site in my searches. What? Catalytic Converters? This of course led me to junkyards. he couldn't sit at a computer and even start. but not as good after that. He reminded me of myself when I was his age. based on brute force or labor. but I didn't have the time to teach.philosopher's stone. I was speechless. I came across cats. reports of thefts. The basic frustration of not JUST BEING TOLD HOW. to his credit. automotive sites. I have never spent this much time reading a forum. . pre-cors also have value. But still. I found myself at the client's office at 3 pm on a Saturday. You can't ask the questions: How do I trade futures? How do I open a bank? How do I transplant a heart? How do I program a computer? etc. was the surprise of the day. Somewhere in the mix of gold extraction. The alchemists were great. I started to feel bad. industry articles. and presented again after WWII. 60s. so the Nazis wouldn't steal them. And I never post. People who earn. Then to American. He had his home computer hooked up. I was asked the last question several months ago by a young 14 year old boy. who is the son of one of my clients. he loves computers like me. recast. even amongst all this great information. Did you know that the Nobel peace prizes for two Danes were dissolved in Aqua Regia. The barrage of questions never ended. or just have. and. others have not. they were getting more insightful. To quote another poster "quite an unusual an interesting corner of the internet". People whose work is repetitive. it might never end. and my work was done. I attempted to talk about languages. understand this. With hopeful eyes he asked "How can I make a game like Warcraft?" He looks up to me as knowledgeable. acquired skill sets. Not ever in recent memory. Some people have taken the time to acquire them. 70s. The son was there. then extracted. Eventually. They were stored on a shelf for ten years. I figured if I opened this can of worms. Foreign. after markets no good. even 90s are good. or based prior family success just don't seem understand this. (spring break. graphic and sound files. multiple skill sets required. Acquired skill sets are a unique tool. based on a limited skill set. Which.

). There was a small laser sound that the kid made into the microphone below the monitor. I would venture outside and try to extract from a core. bowls. I don't necessarily want you to tell. The skill acquired if actually successful. watching. I would then humble myself. Just keep them for a minute. pick up an old kitchen hood for sure. I might spend a couple hundred on buckets. My conclusion from today is that the best method of profiting from cats. The only casualty is that Dad will probably have to buy the full version of Visual Studio. and set up a table in the driveway. I started him off with a one-button form. and the true point of the journey. socializing. He did it all. I'd rather spend a couple weekends learning. I would fail miserably. etc. read some more. Goldwave (for sound). end up with something I don't know what to do with. and collect the honeycomb/beads. upset the girlfriend. moving around the screen at the command of the arrow keys. contributing. and a trial copy of Visual Studio. if only you were local. 1 to 3 weekends a month. contact a refiner. do some more searches.and he had to go into the office with his dad everyday. maybe make a few posts. After reading for a couple of weekends. you should have seen the look on this kid's face. Guys and Gals. In the meantime. a couple higher grade saw blades. that is often considered the ceremonial start of every programmer's career. and I can't wait to see what he's come up with. If you've got a hundred or so. that when pushed prints "Hello World!". strip the core yourself (I am a fairly well acquainted with light contracting and auto repair. I imagine I can figure this out with experimentation. I taught. but a small price to pay when put in perspective. etc. acids. I just might buy a couple books on hydro-metallugry. of less than 1 gram of Pt. It felt great. real estate is tough right now). and maybe finishing up with beers and pizzas. The Pt is the reward. is far more valuable. it is the enticement of reward. and a small bullet that fired when the space bar was pushed. Three hours later he had a still picture of a little man. That is the most profitable position in the supply chain that you can put yourself in with the lowest risk and knowledge. a few scrapes on my knuckles and forearms. recorded with Goldwave and incorporated into Visual Studio. and trailed off the screen. that gives the human motivation to develop skill. We downloaded Paint Shop Pro. This is not a discipline that will net you profit in the short term. maybe a good vise. To those of you here that have such skills. filters. I had some time. It's like a small bank account. from the last position of the image. As with my friend above. whether you actually end up with enough to be profitable is almost moot. His father said he hasn't left the computer since! I'm sure we'll have another session. so I sat down. I never touched the keyboard. After three to six months. is to buy them right. For those that aren't acquainted. Even the academic license is over $300. This would be at the end of what would have become an . I'd probably be able to extract a small globule. that was played when the bullet fired.

I'd spend even more time on this. and EXPERIENCE. At that point. I think I'll find that if I just sold my cores I would have made enough money. I will have acquired some very valuable.. California . I would be able to justify the labor and materials required for the profit. After another three to six months. time-consuming process. just to use it in a weekend to make a buck. 2009 I have honeycomb material from several used converters. In the end.. it won't be as much fun.Louisville. try more variations. No matter what. and networking. We only have time for so many. and acquiring skill over time. acquired skill. Ross Lerner .. I know you have a position against ad hominem posts. The old man knows gold and jewelry. SKILL. It is quite the reverse. it's just that it doesn't work that way.. to train the mind. Some of the people on this forum know metallurgy. but I really hope you include this. programming.EUREKA!!!! It would feel great! I'd be damn proud of my little gram of Pt! I'd step up my efforts. permanent endeavor. hard workers. the amount recovered might justify my streamlined process. Ted. computer boards. It has to be acquired. By being patient. You can't cheapen the knowledge acquired by great scientists. attentive. and creates responsibility. That's how acquired skill works.eight to fifteen step tedious. unless I chose this as a new. the learning tempers the spirit. you have to put in the time. "Give me a chopper pilot program Tank!" But trust me. and very satisfying KNOWLEDGE. I hope I have accomplished my goal. Where can I have it sent for processing. gold plated jewelry. 2 Lexus LS400). It would be able to consistently extract metal from beads. There is just as much joy in And more importantly. the man will make himself wealthy. combs. deliberate.San Jose. time and materials. Perhaps one day the Matrix programming disks will be available. and people! I know small office computers. and patient men. It's not that people don't want to tell you. etc. I would have a reasonable set of beginner hydro-metallurgy skills. Kentucky April 6. over time. Jason Jegge buyer . But. I have attempted to address a theme that is central to this thread. gold filled jewelry. (or woman) PLENTY of wonderful women in science. But. read more. and is there a typical amount expected (1 Honda. S. six to nine months total. the difference wouldn't justify the TOTAL labor.

dissolve with sulfuric acid and the precious metals will be left behind. Repeat these steps until all precious metals have been retrieved. Provide each kid with a steel bar and have them take turns beating on the cat.April 18. patented or copyrighted etc for a time being to enjoy the fruits of your labor and opt . I wonder how expensive will it be. you should smelt the whole "catcon" in an electric arc-furnace with scrap steel. If they are disappointed that there was no candy tell then the next Cat you are going to hang has the candy.Barranquilla. but also and just as important is the freedom of information point I'd like to share. to have your own arc-furnace? Can this be done in your backyard? Thank you. maybe I've been breathing too many cc fumes but it is close and has a lot of the elements. After many months of experimenting with acids I have finally recovered some gold from electronic scrap. Best to all Bob Bayle government . After reading this though I have a real practical question. which after page one I was hoping the pages wouldn't go too fast but now I have to get back to my original task of troubleshooting my car but have been sucked into this post this is to me a microcosm of everything people have been discussing since Plato and beyond. look pretty thoroughly I eventually found a site that says one probably could sell the cc if replacing so then I decided to look up selling cc and found this. Get the neighborhood kids over to the house and tell them the cat is a pinada. Alonso Borrero hobbyist . 2009 Hi. Once the cat has been ruptured tell them to pick up all the metal that falls out and place in the bucket for recovery.newton North Carolina May 13. Colombia April 30. I see it basically at present like this: if looking in the long term no ones goals really contradict unless they are destructive what I mean is that if you are a small business person (who I admire) you might want to have your work trademarked.Springfield. reasonably cheap means to extract the Precious Metals from the Cat. 2009 i have read all of the forums but I have yet to understand where do you sell them !!!! i live in NC and i am still trying to understand who do i sell to a refinery or a recycler. Will it be possible to recover pgm's from catalytic converters? I've read that. Atlantico.I was actually looking up information for symptoms of a clogged catalytic converter (cc) & since I usu. granulate the new alloy. thanks bec becky wilhelm car business . 2009 Hello and here's my 2 cents (which if smelted or melted or schmelted is not as much as two cents from a century ago but I digress) . 2009 I have found the perfect. If you have a yard with a tree cast a rope around a heavy branch and tie up the cat. Virginia May 5.

2009 My brother-in-law works in such a refinery.lead by example like Ted . in their own way and it is informative I mean I don't expect anyone to actually hand me a free cc now. just look at the examples of software and computer viruses etc open source is a good thing and hiding information is actually more destructive and is only a mirage of safety which is actually more destructive. and another example goes to taking off the posts which displayed what cars have better value for their cc so they are not as much of victims. Anyway. and tools used for separating metals. Ted you are doing a good job and I also have enjoyed your thoughtful approach.it would be basic 6th grade or 3rd grade science and we'd probably be exploring for platinum on other star systems because if the new learner always got to learn from all the mistakes from the teacher (I'll say) then their time could be cut and they would have new mistakes not yet made to learn from and so on..we have to expose the weaknesses so we can brainstorm not hide them. There is a not so intelligent person who works with said family member who has been able to refine and extract such metals. have been a little knowledge hungry and may bite the hand that feeds however most are not. Florida July 10. Most people would not know it. Think of it this . also I may be a good golfer and share secrets but you'll still never get it till you practice anyways so I would really have no fear in sharing those but I guess we can all agree to disagree and any experience with HHO gas torches to extract metals.not a lot. you would know it if you seen it. what are you going to do .Sarasota. unless you have the equipment to do around 1200 converters at one time it is not worth it. Some . chemically or by heat you are looking into getting into a lot of money. but you go into buying some of the materials.. I must add. and the money they make is also going to the benefit of the economy and who knows potentially but it does require the teacher to be an anode to the cathode but they wouldn't mind so much if they also got to learn from others that made their steps easier and like I said it in the long run I think is always better. and I have to hand it to you guys. and he claims that for the trouble it is worth.and a lot of people have shared a lot of information. Thomas Key .full free information always (in the long term maybe not the short) has unanimous good results and do not contradict each other that is why a country like the USA has prospered and why secretive ones stay stagnant and dark but I am looking at things in decades not days . If you have ever seen this mans garage. well they might be the ones who might be more interested so they would know they might be more of a victim Taking that post down I think is just conceding to that fear in the back of our minds of trying to please everybody .000 degrees and more. also the other side of the coin (I did say my two cents lol) if people from a young age and all through history shared information and it was accessible to everyone we may not even be having this discussion .I understand that. From what I've read I think that using a HHO gas torch may be a good way to get those high temperatures in a safe way what does anyone think? You can look up easily HHO torches they get really hot and cool really fast and they are real just like oxy or butane the flame itself is only 259 F but when in contact with other metals can get up to 10. converters have came up in conversation. All that said I do understand the market and patents etc so it is up to the individual of course and information cannot be forced to be shared and people should have incentive however we all could be driving hydro cars and be energy independent and have other newer and unknown issues yet to be discovered if we were more long term seers. it's laid out pretty straightforward here. it looks like a ghetto factory.

2009 There used to be instructions online spanning over several pages on how to synthesize illicit drugs. . you can see them especially good at night.. not to mention that you have to have a safe place to set up said refinery. no qualification. If smelting in a pot would separate the metals. the correct value of what they have. These were step by step instructions and I guess that the chemistry and knowledge involved is way more complicated than purifying metals out of catalysts.way. Please use your head for something more then a hat rack people.000 dollars for the basic materials and equipment. Not all metals work that way. We joked about it at his house over a few " select beverages ". Around my area everyone swears to the idea that you can use a smelting pot to separate the metals in a converter. who not only does not know what they have. do you really think that exhaust at like 900 . Please for your safety and the those around you. And I am sure you 3 know who you are.Fayetteville. the other weekend you will be preparing and organizing the equipment and the most difficult part will be to actually obtain the chemicals. Next thing I know I am going to see one of the names from this thread swearing they can make sticks of TNT from a candle and gunpowder with chewing gum. and techniques used to extract said metals would not really be cost effective unless you had a bunch of them to do at one time ( kind of hints to why they have giant refinery places to do such things ). etc. So far on this whole thread I think I have only seen about 3 people that remotely know what they are talking about.000 payout for your customers that you will be having to buy said converters from. we will say 15. Joel Langford . right? I am now moving on to find the Candlestick TNT blog I was speaking of earlier. LSD. if you really think you have all of the money to get into something like this from a dead start. No knowledge required. ever seen a clogged converter? They get red hot under a car. The trouble that our friend had was that there is no one who is respectively going to buy said metals from a person. I am only a 29 year old Well Driller. amphetamines. Don't seem to much harder then flipping a burger. especially with no knowledge. You spent one weekend looking up the terms and chemicals and understanding the process... The weekend after that you will most likely end up with your substance in pure form. then be our guest you already have enough money to not really need to extract the precious metals. North Carolina July 13. MDMA. your going to have even more tied up into it it when someone finds out what your doing because of the danger that your putting other stuff in. and it seems like everyone that was there at the time came to the same conclusion. some of this stuff can get dangerous. it would seem that every town would have 15 or so of the places... DO NOT try using chemicals that you don't understand..1500 degrees would not just turn these metals directly to liquid? These are not lead fishing weights people. If it was so cost effective to do it in such small amounts. at this point your just wanting a grown child's chem lab in your back yard. possibly even everyone around you. but also would not be a constant resource for them to rely on for buying said materials. anyone could do it with enough effort.. maybe around 1. and I know a clown walking across a yard with a stick swearing there is water under a patch of dry sand when I see one.

Dustin. with the right combination of chemicals and temperature the pgms get get pulled out onto carbon plates. Dustin B .. kiln and iron pot shall suffice. 2009 I was going to ask a simple question about the CONTENT of precious metals in "cats"..The problem will never be to actually do it. Germany July 13. Tennessee July 13. Tennessee . The honeycomb had to be cracked to come out but it came out with the platinum flakes..Murfreesboro. please take an advertisement .. please tell us what the right temperature and combination of chemicals is. that first sculpture. I simply want to thank you for your patience and learned knowledge.Berlin. the site's supporting advertisers must be running out of patience being asked to pay the costs of posting other people's ads :-) July 16.. every word. It will be an interesting experiment. its just PVC tubs and clear 3/4 inch hose with a battery charger [link is to product info at Amazon] and a small pump. Ross Lerner's wonderful contribution. My hammer.. a straight and simple instruction would devalue the skills and knowledge required to write it. grinder. If you are trying to sell this knowledge. and whether or not it would be possible to render the ceramics containing these metals into a powder form to use as a mix in a firing glaze for pottery. Andreas Borchert . But after reading the entire post (yes. Tim Mooney Timothy Mooney .). I have ground my own pigments for my paints for forty years. 2009 I put a hole in a catalytic converter I found while picking up trash(honestly). Other than taking a tweezer to it is there any other way to separate it? Terrance Miller .Earlham. It's somewhat a pity. really.. My only problem is a lot of the honeycomb broke in pieces as fine as the platinum flakes. but how to get there. Iowa ---Ed. 2009 I have a machine that extracts the pgm's from catalytic converters and it is not the easiest to do It takes a lot of time a nice facility to work in but if you seen the machine you would laugh and call me a liar. and S.. As said before. note: If you do not consider it secret knowledge. . and am only now venturing into the new world of three-dimensional earthen-ware art.Talbott. when I could. .

2009 I'm interested in recycling catalytic converters. I forget).I am kind of stuck because i am not sure what price is good for each catalytic converter. 2009 So. My question is: How is the price of converters defined? I would appreciate any help. Hydro-metallurgy is". Castor Marconi . what is the process of extracting platinum from catalytic converters that have been discussed thus far. I would put it in a furnace for melting metals and I would leave it in there until all the platinum has melted off and dripped into a place where it could collect. I received a follow-up phone call and I just told them that I was using the chemicals to extract platinum from catalytic converters. New York August 3. I checked Wikipedia and it's a 3 step process.July 28. Just collect Cl gas at one end and H gas at the other (cathode or anode. If in case the platinum is infused or trapped in the other materials of the cat. or do you just melt it down? What seems best? February 5. Steven Smith . I was also looking into the possibility of making my own chemicals when reaching a large scale operation. HCl is relatively easy to make by electrolysis of Salt water. Are there any other solvents able to dissolve these noble metals? Also. mix with a small amount of water (in a glass container of course) and you should get it at the 37% concentration. HNO3 is harder to manufacture though. God bless.New York. 2009 Ordering the chemicals is not so difficult. Eljon Ago hobbyist . gold and platinum can be dissolved in aqua regia. Indiana August 14. 2009--"Pyro-metallurgy is not the way for the small operator to go. Those 3 should cover the aqua regia.. 2009 This is what I would do.. Do you oxidize and dissolve the metal and then reduce it somehow and collect it that way.Red Bluff. This is theoretical though.Bloomington. California July 30. then I would pulverize . Makes sense!!! Hey what are the other safer oxidizing agents you are talking about.

Now a new truck sells for around $35. right? Find out if there are any laws to abide by in melting it.Hastings. Maybe you might have to comply to laws about not releasing fumes into the atmosphere or something.. figure that out then ask the questions. its AFTERMARKET. I feel there a few people here that lack the understanding of how a cat works and why. i must say that some people just lack common sense.. Just heat will not suffice for the separation of materials.Sac. These catalytic converters contain little to no precious metals. All you guys just take a tip from me. It all gets melted. why can we buy a cat for $60 when they are worth more. and listen to Ted. As Ted stated a few months back. I think that it doesn't take any more than a little commons sense to get the platinum.6 L and the cat will need to refine the exhausted fumes in larger portion. Top marks to Ted for keeping this forum on a level footing. Simple. Over time the metals do come out of the exhaust and onto the road. Cats do contain a few precious metals as we have learned here. I would guess people on here want a list of vehicles so they can go out tonight with a hack saw.. UK September 15. 2009 I was in scrap metal recycling/reclamation years ago as a family business in the UK and cats were not around then but I know from experience how costly it is to extract these metals.. happy reclamations xxx Brett Ross . 2009 After reading some of the responses on the site.000+ so at that price a manufacturer can afford to spend a little money to manufacture a cat that will last and be efficient.. ZenTed as I will call him! I have never been so deeply engrossed with a forum in the 12 years I have been with internet! I gave up metals in the 1980s to follow my other preoccupation of music composition.the material first to allow the platinum to melt freely into a high heat resistant container. and only recently have started looking at metal prices again. California September 3. aftermarket converters are not regulated. Ray Soriano . When a car is sold new it must pass omission regulations set by the government. Now lets look at the vehicle. Steel and ceramic have a much lower melting point.. a large US made truck with a 6L engine will emit more o2 into the atmosphere than a small Honda with a 1. Now look at rhodium that melts at 3567 F and Platinum somewhere around 3215 F. Bretto from the Ghetto. The value is determined by how much the cat would usually contain. Now for the scrap value. The amount of . I think it highly unlikely that a torch would melt any of these materials.

Before we all rush out and start hacking cats off our neighborhood cars. Nathan Bastings . The reason for the theft is because its a high and easy return and low risk. they are light weight and untraceable. It is also illegal to sell a vehicle without a cat and most of the time a dealer wont take a trade on one without it. 1) Roast ground biscuit at 500 C in old kiln ($100 US . Everyone has to make a profit in the process so you will never get the $3600 out of it unless you have the pure metal in your hand. Crawling under a vehicle. you can spend an hour under there without the risk of getting noticed. This means that my 2 cats contain less metals together than 1 of the older and larger ones. Pt. the 2 oz cat would probably net you $800 at a scrap yard. an AFTERMARKET cat will get you a whopping $2-$5!! Ford usually $40-$60 and Dodge around $30-$60.. Then you take your cats to a dealer and its quick cash. I have an 02 Silverado and it has 2 cats rather than the 1 cat in older vehicles. This isn't a lucrative business and more for the person who lives off $100 a week. The you will find that most of the older GM trucks have the cat removed already and a straight pipe in place. Another thing to think about is now scrap dealers want a title to the vehicle it came off of and an ID before they will buy a converter. Top dollar is around $100 .ebay) 2)1 part biscuit(wt) 1 part HNO3 (vol) 3 parts HCL (vol) 3)Room temp 3 to 7 days until max colour in AR and biscuit white. scrap dealers and "car guys" have known cats are worth something so why is this so new to everyone else? And for the idiot on here that said he wanted to resell them.Use ceramic bakery bowl . 2009 Easy Peasy Tame Aqua regia extraction of PGM blacks (Pd.Norfolk. Its no secret that older GM cats (about the size of a muffler) can get you top dollar at a scrap dealer. Cats contain a FRACTION OF AN OUNCE of precious metals which lightly coats its ceramic contents (honeycomb or beads). Rh) from catalytic converters. it takes a good half hour.. think of the effort involved! Have you ever tried to crawl under a car with a hack saw and cut the 3" steel pipe? It doesn't take minutes. Oh and o2 sensors contain the precious metals as well!! But you need about 50 pounds of them to make a reasonable amount of money off of them. The older trucks did not have 02 sensors so the first thing a truck owner did for a modification was remove the cat that restricted airflow. it is illegal to sell a used cat. Hope this helps to enlighten some of the "lets get rich quick" people on here and shows its not smart to try to steal them.precious metals is very little and whoever on here said there is as much as 2 oz of metal needs to show me those cats! at somewhere around $1800 an ounce scrap. Why?? more power and better fuel economy (and it makes it louder too!).$150. a sawzall will get it done quickly but is VERY noisy. Virginia September 19.

made in china. Note 1. No fumes released. carefully pour off excess water. 10)Acidify to pH 1. Note 5. Cover glass plate.its like drilling into butter. ebay refers to New Zealands Trademe which is virtually equivalent.If a blockage I ram through the handle of my 19 lb pestal which clears the blockage instantly.dry in oven. Note 2. 14)Transfer small beaker. stir until evolution of H2 ceases and then leave over night. I find the the PGM blacks can be more rapidly settled onto the bottom of .Using a long stout screw driver & hammer as lever & chisel I can quickly break biscuit up and empty out the pieces. from local hardware store $12 US for card of 3) . It only takes 10 min to grind in my mortar & pestal. Gold requires AR for dissolution but nanoparticles will dissolve in 2N HCL (Papers by Dr. 8)Neutralise to pH 2.5 approx with soda ash (Na2CO3)( little pH meter off ebay $20 US) 9) Add Zinc Pdr ( from ebay).5 h. 13) Wash twice and decant with rain water. 15) A number of extraction can be carried out simultaneously. I currently get paid $60 NZ after a $150 NZ analysis is carried out in Hong Kong. many high mileage cats only contain a gram of PGM blacks.30 min. Bob Keen . 11) Decant and transfer PGM blacks plus some Zn to 2 l beaker (ebay $10 US approx) 12)Add 1 liter 2N HCL. 6) Leave over night for sediment to settle 7) Decant into 20l plastic bucket.Mortar 13 inch dia pipe 12 inch high welded onto a square iron base. 16) Find a precious metal dealer who will buy PGM blacks.Leave overnight and a lot of excess Zn will dissolve. Huge volumes of very toxic gas are released which strip all leaves off nearby vegetation and will kill nearby caged animals. I drill a dozen or so holes with a 12 mm x 400 mm masonry drill (made in China. Chris Anderson Massey University NZ) therefore it is not unreasonable to find that AR will dissolve the PGM nanoparticles in cat. Stir 2X daily ceramic spoon (ebay $6 US) 4)Stir in urea to neutralize HNO3 (until fizzing stops) 5) Pour all in 20l tall narrow plastic pail & make up to 121 approx with rain water. Note 6.wt 19 lb.local discount shop $2.5 approx or until orange brown ppt dissolves leaving a black sediment. you need to know your cats. It is not a rag to riches method of making money. I decan cat cons within 10 min. Stir ceramic spoon. 3 rounded teaspoons (1 kg biscuit originally used)added slowly with stirring over 15 .5 US. Note 4. Continue to stir off & on for a further 30 min. Best of luck to those that try this method. Wash residue with more water & decant when clear into following batch. Bob Keen Retired Principal Scientist(NZDRI) Palmerston Nth New Zealand. New Zealand Addendum to Easy Peasy AR method PGM blacks are weakly paramagnetic. Note 3.Pestal a 51/2 foot 1 inch dia iron rod welded to a 81/2 inch long 21/2 inch dia iron rod .Palmerston Nth. cons. Step 3 can be carried out in a crock pot at simmer temp over 4 .121 vol.

a Copper anode (I guess). some knowledge. jewelry. would it be easier to dump the beads/flakes into a gallon glass jar of electrolyte.. North Carolina September 27. Great site! "I'll be back". After some profit. and make more of a profit by producing electroplated auto. Of course. but it could be small scale and a small investment. "don't touch the electrode thingys to your tongue to see if the battery still has a charge". new/better equipment the backyard scrap dealer could expand.. etc. The how-to with photos and directions could be put into a PDF file. fumes.. AND pass an IQ test. uh. Oklahoma October 13.the plastic pails and beakers by placing a very strong. and for some..hillsborough. I never bought it.. and hook them up to a controller/battery/solar panel? I know there would still be chemicals. james carlon . it would have to have all the "secrets".. September 24. but I'm finally at the end.so i gathered all the material and got a 5 gal bucket and put a window screen over it and placed the material on the ..Oklahoma City. Steve Cerny . At the risk of sounding stupid (and not wanting to start a new thread).. the chance of blowing yourself up.all i did was use a saw to cut through the metal.. large ceramic magnet under the bottom of the holding vessel.once i got through i found a strange honey comb and a paper like substance that was full of tiny pieces of platinum... Just my 4:01 AM thoughts after reading these 4 pages.. add a (small) pure Platinum cathode. Or stay small... I've always wondered about this. 2009 getting platinum is so easy. 2009 Very interesting! Took a while to read. airplane.. There used to be a book from Lindsey's by Carr (I think)...00 US.i extract the platinum for making jewelry. I bought a very large ceramic magnet off ebay for $8. and now it's hard to find. even small (or large) pure Platinum cathodes. and available to those who make a contribution to the site. medical (things). Maybe a contribution. diversify. like • Control of electrolyte formulation and pH (a measure of acidity or alkalinity) • Control of electrical conditions • Control of temperature And a bunch of warnings like "don't drink the electrolyte". 2009 is there a way i can "cook" the platinum out at home and how hot would the heat have to be.

...... 2009 hey guys u don't have 2 be a genius to get the platinum out of the catalytic converters i wanted my car loud so i decided 2 punch the ceramic honey comb out of the converter using a hammer and a flat blade screw driver go 2 town on it then i found the platinum in a cloth like material get rid of the honey comb no platinum in that keep the cloth i used a fly screen n a container using water i sifted it in a container like a gold panner would have fun any 1 can do i got heaps of platinum :) mark horizon .but platinum has a high tolerance for heat.not many people have a cutting torch in trier garage.then i let the water settle and allowed the sift to fall to the bottom....leaving only tiny pieces of platinum left.and u cant just use a pencil torch to melt it....it took like 20 min to get all the water out....... Andrew Gould ...and used a garden hose to wash the paper and platinum off the honey comb.. and I can't comment on whether the beads contain precious metals or not..now here is the hard part. 2009 Hi....screen over the bucket.000 degrees to melt.mudgee Australia nsw October 27.now i had a dry powder with the metal...but the only problem is that since i wanted to melt the platinum down for making jewelry i had to obviously melt it. Andrew.but the paper still held some moisture so i just set the bucket in the sun and let it dry it the rest of the way. But in those days the ceramic honeycombs and only the honeycombs were dipped into the precious metal slurry.i don't know why people want to make it some big secret.but u can buy them for a couple hundred bucks or find someone who has one..so it takes about 3...once it did i just slowly poured the water out of the bucket but once the water level got too low that the metal and stuff wanted to pour out too all i did was take a cloth rag and used it to absorb the water. hi.. I was involved in building the machinery for a catalytic convertor factory.anyway I've done this process many times with success..and discarded the honey comb.. Mark. so I am unfamiliar with the beads I hear of today.... In those days they did not use any "beads"..so once i turned the paper to ashes i simply used my breath to blow the ashes away.. and spent a fair amount of time there..i collected it and used a torch to burn the paper away now I'm not sure what the paper is so i wore a mask to protect myself i suggest u do the same. So whatever stuff you found that was elsewhere but not in the .. Many years ago (1981)...kannapolis NC cabarrus county October 27..i had to use a cutting or also known as a blow torch used for melting steel to do it.

My advice to every one is read every thing. 2009 after a lot of reading in other places pt per cat runs about 1 to 5 grams each. plastic.. (its not any harder than making a gas oil mix for the chainsaw. like copper.. just removing the case is concentrating the values (PGMS) You have removed about 5 to 10 lbs of Iron.com Brick. today's prices... and can now sell your ceramic containing PGMS at a much higher price. ( no not telling) you're all here to learn about cats. water and a few biodegradable chems and naturals.) . Michael. and will have to be able to measure your efforts and not just wonder if it's working or not.. the rest of you .Oops letting my opinions show.E. for very detailed info look up the (gold refiners forum) on line. what..sneads ferry. I use air. start collecting all items with pgms . waste and byproducts. if you mix the wrong 2 things you will get a high explosive that's unstable. have a good day Michael kelly . that's 40 to 200 $ in platinum alone at full value. I done some electronic scrap and there are some things you will need to be careful with... there are dangers with this. North Carolina November 20. I've developed a safe device that will greatly concentrate any mineral matrix containing PGMS. not bombs. not good enough for you. figure out how you're going to deal with fumes. want to go farther? with each step of the process you are concentrating.honeycomb doesn't sound like the precious metals to me :-) Those 'heaps of platinum' may be piles of soot :-( Regards. you can then get a professional assay and try to sell to a mine or mill that is currently dealing with platinum. New Jersey November 11.. good luck BRYAN BRYAN SMITH . iron. 2009 is the platinum and palladium in the honeycomb or is it the dust and charcoal like substance that comes out of convertor when you extract inside contents of the convertor thanks a lot. Ted Mooney..aurora Colorado . they have plenty of experts there that can help most of you do this as a hobby scale project. finishing. a few of you might want to be very afraid of this stuff.. and from what I have seen here. do the research.. P.

don't even try them.Anaheim. the garage set on fire. Cats have different amounts of pgm's depending on the manufacturer. 2009 well me and my friends went out and got some Cats. There are ways to extract that are so safe you don't even need a mask and then there are ways that are so dangerous that it's like being in a gas chamber. So what do I do? I can sell my coats for $50 and take a portion of his sales or undercut his price and sell more but make less profit. You are now ready to do an assay on the material to get an idea as to how much pgm you can expect from your batch (30 cats is a pretty good batch) To do a ball assay you need a small furnace some crucibles etc. GM. Lets say I'm in the coat business and I get a wicked buy on coats at $10 per. little drops of fire went all over the garage and my friend caught one on the side of his face. And the undercutting goes on and on until there's no profit left. josh slocomb . I look around at my competitors and they're selling the same coat for $50 per. which burned through.The ball assay will tell you how much pgm to expect per pound of comb. we brought a hose in and sprayed. 2009 The first step in the process is to remove the comb.November 28. California November 28.MONROE LOUISIANA December 2.deming. my friend went to the hospital and had to have stitches. Aftermarkets are junk. You NEED to do the assay or you will not have any idea when to stop the extraction process. it started smoking very quick and then popped really loudly. We then tried to extract the metals by using the crucible method that was written on here. try not to get any metal filings into the comb material. the next step is to remove as much carbon as possible from the material by heating to RED hot then blowing oxygen on the material before it cools. Do not crush the comb up just chunk it into inch or so pieces.All Asians. and euro(except VW) have hi pgm content. which caused so much smoke all we could do was run. I'm not going to write the rest of the process nor will anyone who knows how to do it and I'll tell you why. as are ford and Chrysler. we shouldn't have ever done this kind of thing. New Mexico . Tom Jamison . and he has a scar on his face now. 2009 TO BREAK DOWN A CATALYTIC CONVERTOR YOU FIRST TAKE THE COMBING AND BREAK IT DOWN IN SULFURIC ACID THE PLATINUM WILL SETTLE TO THE BOTTOM SHAKE A FEW TIMES WHEN DISSOLVED AND LET SETTLE THEN YOU HEAT THEN A MIXTURE OF MURIATIC ACID AND HYDROCHLORIC ACID MIXED TO EAT THE BASE METALS AND LEAVE THE PLATINUM ONLY THE MELT CAST AND SERVE DEREM MCCOLLUM .

00. how ever since an aftermarket cat goes for $4 and it has 1.S thing . is to hold on to them. That way we can cut out the middle man.S.. Buyers deal in small numbers so as to sell in large numbers. In my calculation what he sold brought someone down the line in the neighborhood of $60. On that program they told that a 55 gal barrel with app 400 lbs of catalysts would net $24. it is the K. used to recover platinum from spent catalyst.You make $4. The History channel recently had a program on acids. Virginia ---Ed. note: that website is not loading for us. I tried to convince him not to sell. and the cost of the 40 cats was 4x40=$160 don't forget to recycle the iron maybe about $10 experience says it takes 1 hr to go to some place to get a cat and get back home 40 cats =40 hrs 374 divided by 40 is $9. I have been researching this for a long time.000. I can sell to any one that wants to buy a cat.5 . you can ship 50 pounds in a prepay box and get the 7.5 each now subtract gas for your car time to remove it from the host car. and shipping. 2009 My advice to all of you that have old Catalytic Converters.00 in platinum. After saying all that don't do this with any other cats unless you can get 200 to 300 cats at an average price of $50 each.edu/sdsmt/SiteID=199458 Dennis King . 2009 I'm now in the cat buying game. if you don't then be sure to keep the ceramic honey comb in the can and sell them for more than you bought them for. I have found it to be one of the best kept trade secrets. If you do the refining hoping to .sdsmt. They are worth a lot more than buyers make out that they are. The answer to some of your questions.. if you can get 40 of the after market cats .000.37 an hr the real trick is getting the 40 cats. removal of the the iron shells would make the 50 pound box not such a bad thing.000. and buy from any one that wants to sell a cat. I suggest we pool our collection...00.000 to 15. Buy low and sell high you will do fine . make your price list 30% less than what you can sell them for and you may make 30%.I.Ararat. December 21.2 pounds of ceramic honey comb in it and that sells for $7. I buy low and sell high. One of the acids was Aqua Regia.000 If you have that much cash you can do the math and will know what to do next. Nobody wants you to know for a real good reason (MONEY) I witnessed a man sell a few hundred mixed converters for $16. Knowing what I know I tried to tell him they were worth much much more than that. that's $10.5 a pound. making a after market cat worth $8.5x50= $375 minus the cost of shipping. Yep I know that was stupid. and what they were used for. I am not attempting to concentrate any thing from the cats I collect.December 5. but no he sold them anyway. sdmines.

it just a side job for me at this time. see rule 6.To extract the inside simply open the plug most if not all have a plug that can be taken out to extract the materials pat mazzillo . that means the very least a cat core will have in pmgs is 7$ a pound.... 2009 I have worked in a place that took in catalytic converters what we would do is open the plug dump everything out into 55 gallon drum we would fill 10 -12 of these things then bring them to Texas they paid us about 8 ..11 thousand dollars its got platinum in them. your can with acids leach the three pgms out of the core ceramic..com).Glovertown NL Canada asked the same question which I have been wondering also which was never answered.com/refining. (you may change your mind and want to sell them whole) 5 learn how to spot an after market cat (the guy selling you the cat has no clue what the previous owner did to the host car) this one cost me $70 on my very first buy! 6 cut all your buying prices buy 5$ 7 add $5 your buying price for each cat you don't have to cut from under the host car.Arundel. I would let the refiners earn there 10% and you should concentrate on volume. .8 lbs.gain remember your platinum will likely not be pure enough to get full price and even if it is the jeweler and ore refiner you sell it to is going to want a 10% to 30% cut off the top. refiners will want 50 to 200 pounds of cat cores and will take 30 to 10% for there fee. see rule 6! catching on yet? bryan smith . Has anyone had any experience with the ishor system http://www.htm . 2010 Glenn Burry. (see Ebay) its not legal to put a used cat on any car!. (its worth it) and the seller loves the fact that he can add $5 to the sale. the amount of metallic values in a cat wildly varies. Maine January 17.aurora Colorado a correction its perfectly legal to sell a used catalytic converter. and have been doing so for 2 weeks I now own 15 of them. for prices look at cats direct 1st American core north eastern core buyers fairless core dyna converter integrity rules 1 buy low sell high 2 don't buy any thing today you cant sell tomorrow (inventory is expensive and makes you zip) 3 decan only if you've got 100s 4 don't decan after market cats till you get 40 of them. (see gold refiners index . thanks December 23. whole cat buyers on the internet will pay from 4 to $165 each. One company will pay 7$ a pound for your cores . I buy catalytic converters. the average cat has 2.shorinternational.

"But I'm sure as hell not going to sell it to Ted in Jersey" Is that because I've repeatedly said that my only business is running this website. Ted Mooney. New Jersey January 21. Colorado and Oklahoma are doing it. finishing.Can some of the professionals here (Ted?) please comment on whether or not this would work on granulated CAT honeycomb/beads. I have been looking at this system for many years so any comment would be greatly appreciated. finishing. Bill N . so I am certainly not in a position to be involved anywhere in the sale or purchase of this stuff? -. New Jersey . Mike. Arkansas June 2010 Hi. are a mite smarter than the idiots in New Jersey and other eastern states. and also just the plain effectiveness with gold plated scrap.E. 2010 Hi.E. and many more would if vendors. P. Although this is my website. I'm not an expert on catalytic converter refining or gold recovery. could profit from shilling :-) Regards. rip the things open and pour it into containers you can ship. OK the process is way too complicated for person to do on his own.Mounds.or because you got concerned about possible questions about the origin of your convertors after I mentioned that my son was a cop :-) Good luck and Regards. Actually. Bill. How do I know I'm not getting ripped when I sell one? But I'm sure as hell not going to sell it to Ted in Jersey. Oklahoma January 21. disguised as satisfied customers. 2010 It seems that us in Okla.Marvell.com Brick. P. Michael Rowland . So I would elect doing it the the guys in Texas. we discourage testimonials to particular commercial products because some people already post here or attempt to post here with fictitious names. and am not qualified to comment on how well this commercial device works (never even seen it).com Brick. Ted Mooney. No one has answered which specific converters are worth more than the others.

or a table top model on eBay..February 11... and larger scale than most of you are thinking about.. and get real.for that matter....Columbus..all above board. 2010 Hey.or do you think you are going to pick up a few cats. often with long term contracts to keep their costs low. new refiners enter the market. you can run the process.think logically. if not actually funny.... and it's pretty interesting. etc. I'm a pretty smart guy and I thought about it long and hard.. You can go around to salvage yards and buy cats. and not cheat.. Thank you! Off my soapbox I go. Please remember: all the refiners compete with each other..... and if it were simple to do. 2010 Hi All.. Someone did provide a three sentence answer on the 'how to' aspect. and even hedging those prices with futures contracts...got to find some cat specs now!!!! PS: I'm NOT saying not to take a risk or consider a new venture. Something for nothing is a bogus way to live. you have to put something substantial into it to make it work... you will have to end up like the existing refiners to make a profit.. and poof. learn which cats have what relative amounts of PGMs and buy and sell accordingly. I've read a few pages of this thread.learn the product specs. You get out what you put in..but please don't hang on to the notion that you can spin straw into gold.turn them into COMEX quality ingots and high grade metals to sell to industry? I think many I've read on here are trying to get something for nothing. I just wanted to add that anyone who is Still thinking about ways to steal the converters.BE REALISTIC! As an example or two: If you want to profit. buying acids and supplies in large bulk. They assay the metal efficiently. and pay for permits and safety and disposal costs.Tampa. sure... John Marks .. and become a broker for small yards that don't have the time to research the value of each model.. and each ingot or batch of metal you produce will still have to be assayed at your expense. you could probably buy a kit for it at Ace Hardware. Clearly: THERE'S NO EASY MONEY TO BE MADE BY TRYING TO REFINE THE PRECIOUS METALS YOURSELF! So just give it up.. Do you intend to do this industrial process in your garage? If you are going to be honest about it.. Matthew Fox .. How do you expect to make your costs lower than theirs? By dumping toxins in the trash? If you are highly competent. USA March 4.. If it gets too lucrative.thanks again..... but your labor and production costs will be high...... He's the man.and smelting/refining is not a permitted use in any residential or agricultural zone I've ever heard of. Florida March 11.you can make a profit from knowing the product you are dealing with...but perhaps think of it as all boiling down to return on investment. and by being an accumulator/consolidator.to get something meaningful out. back off of Ted. Each refiner employs economies of scale. 2010 This blog/site whatever kicks ass! You rock dude. and my conclusion was that the only serious solution to this approach is to have .. Ohio..

. then be on your merry way before you could get caught.. paid license. Iowa USA March 26. this economy is seething with unions of prison guards and people making 85 thousand dollars a year watching over 'criminals ' who got high. I can't believe I read the WHOLE thing. MY ANALYSIS: I'm thinking I'll stick to planting a garden in the spring and riding a bicycle---just hope nobody cuts my gut out looking for little ceramic balls of quicksilver.car parts!. you have no business stealing chicken-sh-. not habits. 2010 hey another way that i have found is to use something similar to the gold refining process if you use aqua regia aka nitric and hydrochloric acid mixed it will make clora platonic acid i believe is the name and then from there you can revert the acid back to pure platinum dust witch accumulates at the bottom as a dust you then filter and wash at the very least five times with warm or hot water you then have at least 99.Roll there words in little ceramic balls.. my guess is theft of cats will also see a comeback as frustration grows. Someone actually stealing from someone who worked hard for their nice car. I notice child abuse was up 12% here in IA last year.. makes me want to stay on the computer and away from dangerous chemicals. cut off the cat in one snap!. This can be looked upon 2 ways---either the guy is legit. In fairness it could be said that the economy is now so bad that some may take up the trade to feed mouths. Eric Vincent web developer/ seeker of knowledge .Anaheim. Just knowing the process has put a more educated perspective on all of this thank you very much sir. and using air-compressed or hydraulic cutters.. insurance. Enough said? Good to know this information though.Cedar Rapids. Don't steal. Got so involved I actually forgot how I got here. you will look like a ripe candidate to be made example out of in the judicial court. but inversely they would still be taking it out of another's mouth. California March 12.if you're that smart to build such a device. WORD OF WISDOM: Those who write about cats on these walls. Had to backtrack to an ad on our Craigslist. registration.. offering a venue for people to get a little more for there junk vehicle before the salvage yard gets it---or there are still people out there willing to crawl under cars in the middle of the night to feed their habits (and people willing to pay them to do it). 2010 Wow. MY VOTE: 55 GALLON DRUM METHOD forget about anything beyond mechanical extraction.. someone offering to "buy" cats.etc..9% pure platinum of course you must then use an induction heater to melt it down and the only one that i can think of is right now that is easy to build is ZVS circuit ( zero voltage/current switching) its easy to build but i dont know if it has the ability to get to platinum melting temps . Those who read these words of wit. Ok here's what I'm getting at--.some kind of technology that jacks up the car.EAT THOSE LITTLE CERAMIC BALLS OF SLAG!!! Byron Wiese . or sold a dime bag of something to someone who wanted to get high.

Please look on Craigslist. and it's largely because we don't let people benefit commercially from postings.That is if they had a lot of them. I too was doing a little research online about precious metals when I stumbled on to this site. Refinery if any. Some had humor like. This public forum has managed to remain online for 16 years. . heavy melt meaning steel beams to the smelting plants in Indiana and in Illinois. Now I think back years ago about a salvage yard I'd work at and at that time we saved all cats in medium size container box's. But seriously. It's not that we are sworn to silence. Mike. for what I will get back that's a drop in the bucket so to speak. is it takes a little bit of this and a little bit of that and a whole lot of other things to make it pure steel and what's involved in that process is like trying to put a Big Mac in a Happy meal.we don't have one thousandth of the necessary horsepower. How to extract precious metals from cats. 2010 Hi. Meaning. Now that was funny. Now it's been some years gone by and now like then every one has kept the golden rule of silence. Now I'm living in Wyoming and have a close friend that's in the auto salvage business and from time to time he has a gentleman come into buy his cats. I read all of the threads. Sincerely Mike Burt . or Google. But I'm talking in large numbers. Some had more meaning than others. that if one thinks that you can separate the metals with a torch like Oxyacetylene is like melting a tuna can with a Bic lighter. I worked in the scrap metal business 10 years ago and from time to time hauled what is none as Frag. Sorry but we simply can't be Craigslist or Ebay or Google -. Or what! I look forward to visiting this site again in the future. He replied. I just happened to ask the man. Before loading them on his truck.orange park Florida united states April 7.john michael . As for some of the threads I read that some only had one or two. When the buyer came by we unloaded the contents of the box's on the ground by sizes. and I to have to agree with a lot of these threads. Like a tree in the back yard.. a rope and the neighborhood Kids and a couple steel pipes. 2010 Mr Mooney.000 dollars and that was for the contents of one container box of cats.Rozet. I hope the next time I read these threads that some one might be kind hearted enough to say as to were one might be able to take there spoils to. It can't be done. We could swamp the threads with spam overnight. or eBay. it's that as soon as we open a thread to commercial responses. I once seen a check for $25. That is in all these threads I read I did not once read as to where to take the spoils. everything else is buried under the spam. Wyoming April 7. Wow that's alot of money. Now knowing how to melt down steel. How come! Is it because of like back then the golden rule of silence still applies and mums the word to this day.

so i figured well. or you must wait a given amount of time to receive payment on the converters if you sell too a scrap yard. because i had all of my family heirlooms stolen from me and my handicap dad who lives with me. and my friend telling me about plat in CC's. I guess it sucks that greed rules this country. I would like to tell you all a little about myself. or used parts.com Brick. Thomas from Sarasota.Regards. That is an arrogant notion of people in America. when I got up. and then be a middle man. I was a marketer/sale's rep who traveled coast 2 coast. All i have to say. this is why i liked thomas's post. In hopes when and if i fell i would have people around me to keep me afloat. i really enjoy your calm responses to some arrogant people. i am infuriated at the fact. I'm 19. because 2% are incompetent the rest are punished. like I am going to be there in May.E. As i said previously I'm a marketer and networker.. THE LIST OF CARS! It would seem I'm limited in the aspect that people are too scared of losing profit or theft for advancement in human techno-evolution. the way u run these forums is exceptional. obviously so.. and am well versed in the language of american society. family or career. . with food. I figured i shall start with two different topics. talk to friends who work in areas that come across people selling junk cars. And since i have to support an older but great father. well Networking is one of my favorite things. So. and makes our world more like the movie Idiocracy if anything. Because people will go steal them. where you must choose. and i am granted with off the chart social skills. So theft isn't as much of an option. is i figured I'd keep my karma good. find out what kind of CC's too look for. I would never have imagined that everyone who was once barely getting by. i figured i would look into the CC idea so maybe i could gain a little extra money after me losing my job.. that people are scared too post what CC's are good to buy. and helped them. I was searching for two things when i got online today. but things happen and you have other obligations in life. On my next note. Ted Mooney. So i figured. and i was like jeez I hope there will be intelligent people to have deep conversations. but we lose out on advancement of society. the only option left must be that people want to keep people out of this business so they can keep everyone from getting by. not a mechanic or chemist. Ted. because Tennessee its hard finding deep and free-thinking people. and for my age i would say i have seen a lot. P. i brought everyone around me up.. your way of thinking is incredibly fascinating. 2010 Well. and that's how i get by now. finishing. first is how someone could easily sell stolen gold. New Jersey April 18. I don't think personally I would be able to do it. the business relationships and personal ones i developed have kept me and my dad in a house. its a pointless endeavor for the lowest of the low scum of the earth. i started reading this because i had hopes that some one would post what cars would be best to go get cc's and then find a company who buys them for refining purposes. First is thanking two people. Why not post a list of cars? Most states require a title. People who are secretive do make the most profit.. and they start getting up would be power hungry and greedy. Also. Sadly. but in everything i have seen in life. WOW. Except there is one thing i cant find.

if information shared with me you ask not too be disclosed. Sorry! Similarly. cut the radiator hose and some other hoses i do not know what they are at this time. Joe. Nor. Tennessee April 19. i will abide by that notion. Just consider the list people. I'm a marketer. my word is never broken. put out a list. Joe Santaniello . I like to work. and i give my word on my dad. and my marketing experience. and possibly you would have the word of many exec's who would vouch for me. just like an extra 600 a month or so. So i was hoping I could make a small profit. and a loan isn't an option. not even knowing the cats may be worth something. and the thread dissolves to spam :-) . not a wall street man. I really enjoyed reading this thread. just making it better so i don't go out and waste my time. if not. and if this stuff actually pays off.and utilities. and possibly start my own business that i have been wanting. just like many of you guys can. Please use ebay. and just getting rid of the cats core too a scrap yard. it is my first ever on this site. Like En: Datsun/Nissan 70-93 not even being super specific. If you guys could be generous and think of others. See. well awesome. Well. All i have to say is. then sitting around on forums. and certainly not my last. we try to avoid reference to company names because experience has repeatedly proven that as soon as a company name is mentioned. or in the past could have used also. now that i tried to get a little help from some of you guys. and I could use the money. hell. people selling muffler and cc for 10 bux. am i planning to start anything related to the pt industry. but do not have a dime for start up cost. Good luck. just so i can get by a little better. But letting the world know would be a much better thing! But.Murfreesboro. i figured that would be the best route. well i can see me on here in the future. since someone angry at my dad for calling the police on them because he was in fear for his life. and now they are buying me a car so i can get back to my life. and finding a company who wanted too do the refining process or something. Craigslist. or a google search to locate the people you are seeking. on cars that look bonestock. 24/7. but use my skills for a better purpose. and maybe take my dad out too eat like i used to. because things here are cheap. I just am not the type of man who lives off someone else's gratitude. with bills of sale for every cat i buy so you never would have to worry about me being a thief. that would be acceptable too. because I'm an honest person. i could ship them too u. 2010 Hi. if you do things on a larger scale. their competitors feel the need to post a glowing testimonial to themselves. my idea was hopefully getting the cats. I'm sure I'll have at least made a little money off it. but this site does not put people into private contact with each other. Thank you For your Time! :) If you guys would like to contact me through email. if there are threads like this. the race to the bottom is on. maybe not hard labor. It's just i see older cars being parted out. i hope all of you enjoy this post. i am not trying to undercut you guys in your ingot industry. and have something too think about. and teaching kids how to pick up chicks. Apologies. and just selling the guts.

com Brick. at today's spot price of $1533 per troy ounce. New Jersey June 24. your block would be valued at $51. There are 31. 2010 I have over 1000 CC cut from salvaged autos over the past couple of years.980. Gas and Diesel big differences. Terrill. P. What would be an approx. Ted Mooney. 2010 Just wondering if anyone could give me some info.E. Your block of platinum is 3 cubic inches. Hope the PRICES stay up? I been told to keep the content separate due to the difference in amount and type of metals. GREAT!! I will begin reading up. California USA June 9.com Brick. New Jersey May 19. Platinum weighs 21.10 grams to a troy ounce. 2010 Hi. and it sounds like the time I'm done study the "ART of CCs" I should have another thousand or so. 2010 First I'll just say this. Texas June 8. finishing. finishing. So. terrill booth . Regards. it .387 cubic centimeters to a cubic inch. I am a chemist. P.Regards.E.riverside.45 grams per cubic centimeter. This thread leads me to believe it is not. There are 16. Keep posting and I'll keep reading Scott Jones . that being said. have heard it might be against the law to process them in the US. weight of a solid block of Platinum with the dimensions of 3" x 1" x 1". to a point I am NOT a metallurgist and have limit knowledge of the subject. and with regard to obfuscating for the uninitiated.Midland. I had thoughts of selling them raw. Ted Mooney.

Queensland. " There be 'Gold'in them thar hills" or in this case Platinum in them there Catalytic Converters. clearly I haven't gone so far as putting pencil to paper on this but it seems to me that it could be a lucrative opportunity for someone with a skill set in place to mitigate the very real (and potentially lethal) risks involved. Another waste of 30 minutes of my life surfing the web :) :) Gary W .and there is a rush on to find out how it's done or how to get it. Yup. Got it legally by the way... California USA ..Mobile. I found it here 'cause I was looking for a reason why my Ford is acting up. Ma .... Texas.com Dave smith .. 2010 Can anyone give an estimate of what a pound of slurry collected in the early 80's is worth.. US August 11.PLEASE DO YOUR RESEARCH *-*-*-* Victor C. And for some it is a conspiracy because they are too ignorant or plain stupid to understand how complicated and dangerous to body and environment it is to extract it... Australia September 29. *-*-*-* THIS IS NOT TO BE TRIED BY ANYONE FOLLOWING THIS POST ALONE. beyond that apply tremendous tremendous amounts of heat to the precipitate and go to the bank.Brisbane. Any thoughts on a response on this thread will be greatly appreciated. nitric and judiciously precipitate with some heavy metal ion. Maybe you should take a look at www. 2010 These are great questions about catalytic converters and platinum.seems to me that one could with some difficulty dissolve the platinum/ceramic guts in conc.Redondo Beach. 2010 Cry. Alabama September 3. Walt Smith manufacturer .YOU WILL NOT GET PLATINUM WITHOUT RESPECTING THE CHEMISTRY AND FOLLOWING MY THOUGHT PROCESS WITHOUT FULLY UNDERSTANDING THE NATURE OF THE MATERIALS INVOLVED COULD AND WOULD CAUSE SERIOUS INJURY AND/OR DEATH.Dallas.scrapcatalyticconverter. every one gets rich in a gold rush.

com/Recycling. including maidenresources. 2011 Hi. What I would like to see/know . I would like to thank Ted first of all for supplying this lovely little trough of information. The last time I brought a couple the junkyard .and he might have been honest (one came off an old GM Van & the other a new chevy geo) . and pictures of them are all over the net.html and green.which no one has mentioned before . USA January 14. There is a great video at www. Justin.how exactly do you tell the difference between an OEM & After-Market Catalytic Converter? Could someone muster up a photo of these 'beads' and these 'honey combs' you talk about do they look just like a piece of screen? So far with the cats I have cut off (Yes legally) they all just look like hollow metal chambers with a screen in them. I'm not real familiar with the old-style ceramic bead catalytic converters. Secondly .com/2006/11/28/thieves-target-catalytic-converters-for-precious-metals/.Maine. -J Justin L MaineJunKYards . 2010 what does the extracted metal look like ron green curious .sellyourcatsdirect. Being a web designer I know what is like to have to deal with internet hooligans.December 22. Thank You all very much for your time spent here & input.com/Loose_Beads_Pellets_secure. 2011 Greetings Everyone. I haven't done much with them but pile them up being as I don't know the difference yet.I as I just mentioned I'm a web designer by trade -but I have started my own side project with recycling cars & metals. It has been a great revenue so far making something out of nothing is very rewarding. I did an engineering project at a factory that built the newer honeycomb style converters (still a long long time ago).athens Alabama January 14.youtube. So if someone would please give me a few (Yes more than one please .html.autoblog. but photos are available at www.com/watch? v=rmtFp-SV0tY .no one liner is gonna help me learn anything) tips on how to distinguish between a factory original and a aftermarket cat.the dubbah only wanted to give me $10 bucks for them .but I don't trust backyard bob enough to keep doing business with him.

E. that an aftermarket converter would have less precious metals soaked into the honeycomb. Ted Mooney. New Jersey . but I don't know how to tell the difference.com Brick. finishing. P. Regards.I think. but don't know.

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