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I BUY, SELL AND REPAIR COMPUTERS. RECENTLY I STARTED TO SAVE ALL MY COMPUTER SCRAP TO RECOVER THE GOLD THAT IS ON THE CARDS. SO ON THE OTHER HAND I STARTED TO BUY A FEW CATALYTIC CONVERTERS AS SCRAP BECAUSE I HEARD THAT IT HAS A LITTLE AMOUNT OF PLATINUM AND PALLADIUM HONEYCOMB THAT IS INSIDE THE BODY OF THE CONVERTER. SO THE POINT IS: IF SOMEONE CAN EXPLAIN TO ME OR GUIDE ME IN THE NEXT STEP TO RECOVER THE PLATINUM_PALLADIUM ONCE THE CONVERTER IS OPEN, BECAUSE THE HONEYCOMB I THINK IS MADE OF CERAMIC. WHY I WANT TO KNOW THIS: TO PROVE TO A COUPLE OF FRIENDS THAT THE CONVERTERS HAVE A LITTLE AMOUNT OF THESE METALS. THEY THINK THAT I AM CRAZY OR NUTS. MARIO Z "hobbyist" - TIJUANA , BAJA CALIFORNIA, MEXICO ++++ If you want to do it just to prove your friends the point, then I agree to them. But if you're willing to make money out of it, be prepared to spend a decent amount of life and a little fortune with no guarantee of success up front. Guillermo Marrufo Monterrey, NL, Mexico
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Scrap Catalytic Converter Platinum Recycle Full Lincoln $71.01 44m
+++++ We have the process for getting platinum ( and other platinum grade metal from scrap catalytic converters). Listen to your friends. The platinum is there, but it is a very dangerous process. You have to know what you are doing. Charles K - Burtonsville, Maryland
View all disclaimer scrap catalytic converter 2008 Domestic platinum $71.50 3h 30m
Scrap Catalytic Converter Platinum $203.00 4h 01m
++++++ Catalytic converters have precious metal in them, Mario. It's the precious metals that provide the catalytic reaction. So collect on the bet. Recovery is dangerous and
shouldn't be attempted by untrained individuals though :-)
Ted Mooney, P.E. finishing.com Brick, New Jersey
++++++ Yes there is Platinum in catalytic converters. You can't recover it yourself but you have to take it a place that buys gold, metals, scraps... I buy catalytic converters, I pay good money. It depends on what kind of catalytic converter you have and if it's full, or half full. Monica M - Louisville, Kentucky
++++++ Monica M, Can you please explain what you mean by full or half-full. also, what different types of catalytic converters are there? which ones are most desirable for resell to refiners? Thanks - Mark Mark W - San Antonio, Texas
+++++++ Hi I currently buy and sell catalytic converters to a man. He has often told me that he will be out of town selling these catalytic converters. My question is how much more is he getting paid and where does he take them to? Currently the best paid one I have had is
one for $120.00, if anyone can help me please do so. Juan M buyer/seller - Seven Springs, North Carolina
+++++++ I think Ted was kind of on the right track with his answer, but just as wrong as the rest of the responders. You will probably not find anyone willing to give up the process that they use because they use it to recover the material themselves. It would be nice if they came right out and said that so you could use your powers of internet research on chemistry to devise your own way of extracting the materials. BTW, if a person wishes to blow themselves up or poison themselves let them do it just don't take anyone else with you. Ron H - Scranton, Pennsylvania
+++++++ I have access to hundreds of catalytic converters, and want to know how to extract, not refine, the platinum from them. This would save shipping fees, but I'm not sure if I can just cut out the part containing the platinum, or do I have to strip it out? Georgia T recycler, junk dealer - Nashville, Tennessee
Ron, yes, certainly people can be coy. But the main issue is difficulty, not secretiveness. Brain surgeons and aircraft engineers may be coy too, but their coyness is not the main reason why people don't post a simple answer here on how to do brain surgery or design a jetliner :-) Recovering precious metals requires a significant investment in time, education, and equipment. Georgia, you can cut the valuable part out from the steel. They will look a lot like a small muffler. The metal housing is stainless steel and contains no precious metal (although stainless steel has scrap value too). The precious metal is in the ceramic honeycombs you find inside. Good luck! Ted Mooney, P.E. finishing.com Brick, New Jersey
Alabama +++++++ I did the math as you asked. and there are books that compare the alternative approaches and explain the chemistry in depth. Rachel.Rotherham.. and came up with $80. What is the best way of doing this? Rachael C work in a glass lab . Nathan H . P.E.com Brick. it seems that developing a good "buy low / sell high" strategy is a much easier way to make money than doing the dangerous chemistry.. finishing.+++++++ Hello.. Object 7 Ted Mooney.9 grams of platinum in the honeycomb. I have one way to do it but it is kinda hectic. But. UK Object 8 +++++++ Recovery of precious metals is a well developed industrial science. New Jersey +++++++ I work in a lab and need to produce platinum from a catalytic converter on a small and safe scale. South Yorkshire. Read the great reviews of Ammen's book --> But why does your company "need" to get platinum from this source rather than buying it? If can you provide a little more detail on what you Object 9 . I would like to know whom I could sell the catalytic converters. for an average size converter it has about 1.Vernon. Looking at ebay with asking prices from about $10 to $150 for scrap catalytic convertors.and do the math at 1200 dollars an ounce for platinum. for the ones that want to know why they are so expensive. Nathan.
If you ask a specific question regarding how jetliners are built. but if you say "tell me how to build a jetliner". like how thick should the nickel-cadmium plating be on a turbine blade. Give yourself a few weeks of diligent reading and you'll be able to ask rather specific questions. BUT IT SEEMS TO ME THAT NO ONE WANTS TO GIVE THIS VALUABLE INFORMATION UP IN FEAR OF OTHER PEOPLE MAKING THE KIND OF MONEY THEY'RE MAKING. LOUIS. AND OTHER FOREIGN ILLNESSES. finishing. SO FOR ANYONE WOULDN'T MIND SHARING SOME VALUABLE INFORMATION PLEASE LET ME KNOW THE PROCESS OF EXTRACTING THESE PRECIOUS METALS Wade Collins . Just as Boeing & Airbus are not concerned that you will compete against them in building jetliners. All they can do is say "start by attending an aeronautical engineering college for four years" :-) Recovery of precious metals is a well developed science-. it's that they simply can't answer a question that broad. P. . Thanks! Ted Mooney. Johnson-Matthey & Heraeus are not afraid of their halfbillion dollar precious metal refineries facing competition from individuals. Missouri Hi. ALCOHOL FOR ONE IS A DANGEROUS PROCESS IN EVERY WAY BUT PEOPLE NEVER DENIED US THE PROCESS OF CONSUMING IT AS WELL AS DRUGS.ST. I MEAN THERE ARE A LOT OF DANGEROUS THINGS OUT HERE.start by reading books that are readily available from any large library (did you ask yet if your library had the books we already recommended?).E. it's not that they refuse to answer.com Brick. THAT WE DON'T EVEN ASK FOR. and people will probably be willing and able to answer. WORKING IN ASBESTOS AREAS.are trying to do. BUT TO DENY THE PEOPLE TO MAKE MANY WHETHER YOU BELIEVE OR NOT TO BE DANGEROUS IS OUR DECISION IF WE WANT TO DO IT. P. people may answer. It's not so much secret as difficult to explain when starting from zero. Good luck. I MEAN REGARDLESS OF IF IT'S A DANGEROUS PROCESS OR NOT ITS OUR OWN DECISION IF WE WANT TO GO THROUGH WITH IT OR NOT. you will probably get better targeted and therefore more helpful answers.S. New Jersey +++++++ MY NAME IS WADE COLLINS AND I WAS TRYING TO FIND THIS PROCESS OUT MYSELF. Wade.
2011 LOL Just acquired a foreclosed estate property with acreage and found a mountain of converters waaaayyyy back in the woods under tarps. but I don't know the method for take out the platinum from it.France . I buy & sell many catalytic convertor.E. finishing. page 2 1 2 3 4 5 6 +++++++ hi friends. P. Stumbled on this thread and now I know. Roberto Gremini . Couldn't for the life of me figure out what this guy was keeping them for and why he was hiding them so far from the road.com Brick.Belvidere. if it's possible can you help me? how do we do it? regards Jouni . Vermont USA þÿ Search Home/Sitemap · you are here: Forum => letter 27814. New Jersey January 11.Ted Mooney. page 2 HOW TO RECOVER PLATINUM FROM CATALYTIC CONVERTERS.
The rare earth chloride yield for 2 hours was 56 to 88 mol pct in the absence of SiCl4 and 92 to 99 mol pct in the presence of SiCl4.+++++++ Since "complicated and dangerous" doesn't seem to satisfy the masses on what it takes to extract precious medals from items such as catalytic converters. chlorine gas as chlorination agent. respectively. The process to do so is known as carbochlorination and the simplified textbook definition of the process is as follows: A stepwise carbochlorination--chemical vapor transport (SC--CVT) process is proposed for the rare earth extraction and separation from a mixed bastnaesite-monazite concentrate based on thermodynamic and kinetic analysis using carbon as reductant. in the absence of SiCl4. but carbochlorination at above 1000 C yielded a large amount of acidinsoluble residue. suggests that carbochlorination of the mixed concentrate at temperatures as low as 500 deg C in the (Cl2 1 SiCl4) atmosphere is suitable for rare earth extraction and thorium-free volatile by-product release. apparent activation energy of the carbochlorination within 2 hours changed from 22 to 16 kJ/mol roughly for the initial half hour and final 1 hour. Between 500 deg C and 800 deg C.1 kJ/mole under 2 kPa of SiCl4 gas. SiCl4 as defluorination agent. Their combination allows an efficient and environmentally conscious extraction and separation of rare earth elements from the mixed concentrate.. respectively. which is different from the conventional Goldschmidt process at 1000 C to 1200 C. This..95 4d 04h 36m View all disclaimer If you can't understand that then you're out of luck. but these values reduced to 15 and 2. $24. and AlCl3 as vapor complex former. HOW TO RECOVER RARE METALS FROM ELECTRON . step by step method of doing this. leading to complete thorium removal and efficient rare earth separation. together with the negligible equilibrium vapor pressure of ThCl4 at below 600 C. The CVT reaction of the carbochlorination product was performed at 800 C for 0.5 hours in the (Cl2 1 SiCl4 1 AlCl3) atmosphere and then at 1000 C for 6 hours in the (Cl2 1 AlCl3) atmosphere along different temperature gradients. . I'll put it in another way. there is no simpler.
Cory Gage - Tulsa, Oklahoma
+++++++ The reason these [expletive deleted] don't want to give you the info is cause of the loss of money they would be hit with. The high value cat's get 2 to 300 dollars that hold up to 2 ounces of platinum in them.Notice you caught the eye of so many on here trying to buy yours instead of showing how you can recover 2 ounces of platinum. Now 1 ounce goes for what 1300 dollars.I wouldn't show you how to recover it either! Zachary Rumble - Lawton, Oklahoma
+++++++ Cory just finished taking the time to give you the 'secret' info, Zachary. But you don't yet have the background knowledge to understand his instructions. Any large library will have books on recovering platinum and precious metals; you may need to study those books before you understand Cory's instructions. I bought a new catalytic converter from Meineke for under $150. Some models for larger cars may have more platinum but $2600 worth sounded ludicrous. So I spent some time on line looking for the world's most expensive catalytic converter and the best I could do was $2495 for a pair for a Ferrari, Although the precious metals are indeed valuable, maybe the real issue is that there are people who want to sell you scrap at ridiculous prices by exaggerating its value while implying that recovery is easy?
Ted Mooney, P.E. finishing.com Brick, New Jersey
+++++++ I am a buyer of scrap catalytic converters.The process you ask about is very hard and dangerous. It is a process that is regulated under EPA standards. It is profitable to sell the converter as a whole unit. You can refine or have them refined in other countries if you want to gather up 3000 of them and wait 90 days on your money to come back to you. My web site buys on average 2500 catalytic converters a month. I have tried it all and to refine a converter yourself is totally crazy. There is 3 acids in the process and it becomes very explosive and at
times it does explode.The proper automated machines keep the workers safe when this happens. There are several platinum groups in most converters. A large gm I pay 100.00 for it on my web site. A aftermarket converter is not worth what a factory converter is. It will only net you 10.00 as scrap. Some large converters I pay 140.00 for them and some exotic converters go higher than that, 200.00 or so. Before you find all there is to refining your own think about the people around you and the laws of the land. Steven Gee - Hornsby, Tennessee
+++++++ I agree with Mr. Mooney's last post. It is impossible to recover $200 in metals value from a product that RETAILS for less than $200! Now, I do believe that finding silver/gold/Pt/Pd and other precious metals in a refinable form is still do-able at flea-markets, garage and estate sales and thrift stores - with enough time and patience. They, like others, have become much more sophisticated, so, likely they tested and 'high-graded' anything before it went out for sale. Garage sales at private residences (NOT conducted by professional estate or auction services) remain the best candidates. Bruce A Ades - Carrollton, Texas
+++++++ I am new to scrap metal. I want to get the metal out of these items. Does anybody know a melt down place to retrieve these metals? I want to make a living doing scrap metal. Vicky in Los Angeles Victoria Blanchard hobbyist - Los Angeles, California
+++++++ The carbochlorination behavior of scrapped honeycomb-type automobile catalysts was investigated using a chlorine and carbon monoxide gas mixture to fully extract platinum and rhodium in the catalysts. The recoveries of platinum, rhodium, and base metals are monitored by ICP-AES analyses. Upflow type of fixed-bed carbochlorination experiments were performed between 250 and 700 C. The effects of flow rate, time, and partial pressures of chlorine and carbon monoxide were also determined. After optimization of these parameters, the recoveries of about 95.9% of platinum and 92.9% of rhodium were obtained
at 550 C. The recovered condensate was contaminated by various base metal chlorides. The chlorides generated from the base metals could be minimized by decreasing the flow rate of the gas mixture without any deterioration of PGM recoveries, but at the expense of the volatility. The carbochlorination of scrapped automobile catalysts could be an efficient way for the profitable recovery of platinum and rhodium chlorinated compounds at comparatively low temperatures. sorry i cant find the credits Brian McKee - Buffalo, New York
January 26, 2008 I agree with most of the comments here. The process is not one that everyone should be trying. It is much easier to just find someone who is doing it all the time. There are a few good companies that would be happy to buy all the CCs you can get them. If you want to try something try to recover gold. It is plenty dangerous enough for the thrill seekers and you are much more likely to have a good outcome. After you have done a few hundred pounds of gold then you can move up to this. I should mention scale is very important when it comes to profit margins on both of these processes. Michael Biggs - Princeton, Texas
January 29, 2008 Recovery of metals from cats is difficult| Is it possible to recondition the cat ready for re installation .E G.Vacuum baking to remove volatiles followed by baking in air to burn off carbon? Mickey Louvel chemist - Hampshire, U.K.
February 10, 2008 http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/5542957-description.html Here you will find several ways to extract the metals. And for everyone out there who enjoys censoring information to the masses, tisk tisk. Adam Underwood
I stopped to check the damage and remove the converter and tailpipe from the road. but I persevered and finally broke the catalytic converter off. I didn't have time to get out of it's way and ran over it at 110 km/h(70 MPH). quantity.San Francisco. it was just an old muffler!!! What a day!!!! Enjoy your converter people. volume. Or is it just a burning curiosity? Maybe we should have some legal authority monitoring of this thread.Perth. The sole of my shoe and my jacket were destroyed in this process. Adam? Ted Mooney. P.00.PJC Peter Carey . California February 19. 2008 I wonder where all these people are getting ALL these cats. you do not want to refine the tiny bit of metal in each without a lab behind you. I decided to take my leather jacket off and break the red hot pipe from the converter. 2008 Have you seen anyone censoring anything. Prices are based on types. I wonder because somebody just hacked mine off my Jeep with a Sawsall. finishing.. 2008 About 4 years ago I was traveling along the highway and a catalytic converter dislodged it's self from the vehicle in front of me. New Jersey February 11. I burnt my hands dragging the thing from the road. Alabama February 10. To my surprise. The replacement bumper and paintwork cost me $780.. James Monroe . so I too could own some PLATINUM. Cindy Reynolds . 2008 Those of you wanting more for your converters are in a jam. and remember everyone has to make a profit or they would be out of business. I did the first aid on my hands. I placed it in the truck of my vehicle and raced it home.Mobile. having some knowledge of it.com Brick. eh? And no. Western Australia February 11. cried over the stuffed jacked and shoe and proceeded to take to the thing with my oxy-acetylene cutter. It's dangerous plus you'll lose money..E.
2008 I too used to think like most of you until I talked to a gentleman who owns a bronze sculpture foundry.I know there are ways around but at least we are trying. 2008 The cat's are disappearing here in Minn. Ohio March 16. and then you have almost pure platinum and palladium.so they have just passed a law that the purchaser must get the id of the seller which helps determine if a Jeep cat was cut off and a Jeep cat was sold the next day they can find you.. A Crucible and crucible furnace is all you need along with someborax [link is to product info] and silica sand.. One that came off of a . Doug Dugan hobbyist .in a perfect world. The reason most people don't do it is they are either dreamers or just too stupid or flat out too lazy to try when they find out what it takes.Dalton. Thanks and good luck all. Easy to assemble and use. You can find the plans for a furnace online easily.Prairie Du Chien. Minnesota March 19. So can some one give me a price list. How do I know if there is any precious metals left in them. Platinum and Palladium are each different weights and one has a higher melting point than the other so when cooling down they tend to separate somewhat.. Do some research it is not that hard to search this stuff. When you pour the mold it will cool and the slag can be removed with a small hammer. 2008 I own a salvage company.. Wisconsin March 11. I in turn found out the secret.. Kurt Crosby .Springfield. I have no interest in recovering the platinum.Kilkenny. how much money I will receive for which model? I don't want to give 50 and get 30. James Wilson .. 2008 How do I know if my converter cartridge has any material left in it? I have access to cartridges which have been removed from converters. The average cc contains around (if all used up) about a 1/4 oz. I just want to sell the cat. Georgia April 24.
2008 The new converters that they sell are not like the ones that come on the new car. They don't care if it costs them 3 grand to produce one for the new car because they will add that to the new car price. Ted Mooney. New Jersey April 26. I average 2 to 3. You just have to be safe doing it so you don't hurt your self in the process. Chuck. When the cc was added because of emissions control cars started becoming 10 to 12000 dollars.. So if we assume the car maker uses half palladium and half platinum it would cost them $3575 to charge a converter? Some convertors are worth more than others. but something doesn't add up. .Purcell. Regards.[certain model] that had been wrecked before it got used almost new produces close to 3 oz. They use a pgm that is not as high as platinum or pall.com Brick. Oklahoma April 24. They use the price of the car to offset the cc that has the platinum inside. These are after market. It is doable and should be done by anyone with half a brain! chuck graham .000 and up. Do your research if you want to make money. This fit with the plan and now it will cost 18.00 every weekend on cc's. I just smelted an '89 and produced 1/3 oz of platinum on a dead one. If you don't you are just spinning your wheels. the low price for palladium was $432/oz. 2008 The "low" price for platinum today was $1951/oz.000 dollars. I also extract gold from plated cosmetic jewelry and have a good time doing it in my spare time. Don't let the buyers of cc's lie and say they don't hardly get much more from you on them from their buyers. It is there and I make a lot on it every weekend. To sum it all up if you buy for 100. Just an example: before the cc came out on new cars the value of a car was in the mid thousand dollar range. Like in the 70's a new car (not a Cadillac mind you) but a regular car was around 7.00 you have to make a profit. If people would take the time to do it right they would make a lot of extra money for themselves.E. finishing. Also with a lot of states like here that require an inspection sticker no more. P.000. If i buy one that came off of a new car it will yield way more than that of a knock off. the new cats that you get are either reconditioned or made of cheap stuff. They can put less of the valuable components into them for sale in these states and still be in compliance. They make a lot and the guys who melt them make a killing.
strain the resulting solution and dispose of the ceramic. How much platinum is in 60 grams of these flakes? 2) where can I sell it? 3) how much can I expect to get per ounce of this stuff? Thanks for your help Joe Goday interested in getting involved . dry and heat to 500 C to remove impurities.Purcell. 2008 Reflux the honeycomb in aqua regia (HCl. 2008 How much precious metal is in 60 grams of catalytic converter flakes? Hi someone please help me with these questions: 1) on ebay people sell collected flakes of platinum from catalytic converters. Kathie Meli junk yard owner . I recently inherited a mini junk yard. California April 25. wash with HCl. ten converters in a shed. treat with Ammonium chloride. I'm I right in my assumption? Thanks for any help you can give me. would it be worth it to purchase a Crucible furnace and extract the platinum/palladium myself? It seems to me that the older and heavier ones would be more valuable. Oklahoma April 29.Chuck Chuck Graham . HNO3). Utah April 30. evaporate. .San Francisco. I'd like to know: are the cars/trucks with the catalytic converters intact worth more? I'm I being ripped off? Yesterday I found approx. I have been selling the vehicles off one by one. 2008 Hi. some for scrap at $90 to $100 each.Tooele.
A barrel full is worth about 20. I am sure they will have a re-run there. Dale R . Carol Stevens . like the starters & alternators? I know they have the copper windings inside. 2008 Well I am sure we are all tired of hearing the same questions over and over again and that HOW.regardless? Just wondering if it will be worth my while to jack up and climb under and cut off the converters. 2008 "And by the way if your still wanting to try it all your selves. then you will need hydrochloric acid. you can go find what your looking for on the Discovery network. How do I or the recycler now the value of each? Surely they do not take them apart on the spot. so what's your choice? I for one will stick to watching "How Its Made" on the Discovery channel and learn from the Pro's on how to safely recycle converters. you can go find what your looking . First of all get a 55 gallon barrel and then start collecting converters.Steve Shaw . 2008 I have 6 or so cars that I have been dragging my feet about getting rid of.Honeoye Falls. Well stop asking the how and just ask what's the best way to make the most money you can. I won't go in to more detail than that. I think I should remove and scrap my converters before calling the junk dealer and just giving the cars away. muriatic acid so you can mix them in the right amounts to make the acid that is needed to extract the metals.Texas June 17.000 USD.Olalla.with the recent outbreak of thefts. I also know they pay a lot less for 'dirty' metal as I scraped some aluminum window frames a few years ago and was paid a lot less for the ones that had screws and other metal still attached. is there other parts that might be worth my while to scrap. muriatic acid so you can mix them in the right amounts to make the acid that is needed to extract the metals. do they? Or. That part is soooo simple anyone can do it. Also. And by the way if your still wanting to try it all your selves. You will notice there are different colored beads. punch a hole in the converters and the beads will usually fall out. I won't go in to more detail than that. Now I am no rocket scientist but it sure don't take one to fill up that 55 gallon barrel and have it shipped to a refiner in Cali. New York May 12. the dark ones are the trash and the other lighter colored ones are the metals your looking for. Washington June 13. I am currently in between jobs and could use the money to get me through. then you will need hydrochloric acid. do they just weigh them and give you a set price.
that will explain all. 2008 OH.. you demand that someone explain in one paragraph how people of unknown skill and experience. "pouring brick after brick" of precious metal.. GOOD GRIEF! Y'KNOW. P.Norfolk. • We've named books. Tyler E . all metal will melt at some point. Then Chuck from Purcell. Then Brian from Buffalo did the same. Then Adam from Mobile pointed you to a patent describing some methods. It's just ridiculous. OK explained an alternate way to do it by melting. Regards. finishing. Please study. available from any library.YOU ALWAYS HAVE SUCH A RESERVED CONTROL . Ted Mooney. 2008 Hi. can perform a precious metal refining process. Virginia June 19. and then ask any detailed question you wish and people will probably be delighted to answer it. but went on to name a TV program if you want to go further." why in the heck can't you people share what you know? instead you have to be all secretive and say oh it's dangerous and you need all these poisonous chemicals.com Brick. Dale from Texas suggested collecting the beads in barrels as the best place to position yourself in the recovery chain to make money simply and easily. perhaps without basic chemistry knowledge.. I am sure they will have a re-run there. Tyler. Why? just to try to discourage us because you don't want us possibly taking your profit if were in your area.for on the Discovery network. • • • • • But instead of thanking anyone. "I wont go into more detail than that.E. New Jersey June 27. TED. Cory from Tulsa explained in detail how the precious metals can be recovered." see it is that one lil sentence that is a bunch of bull. so why not just melt it out (after all you probably do) because its easier. you tell us about chemicals to thwart us from trying when you people are probably just tossing them into a furnace and pouring brick after brick.
I HEAR SOMETHING EVEN FUNNIER. California July 4.. R. cant fix dumb terry Pearson . Umm.FOR HOURS AND HOURS. YEAH... I COULD GATHER ENOUGH STORY MATERIAL TO MAKE A VERY BIZARRE COMEDY..AND BEFORE MY SIDE STOPS HURTING FROM UNCONTROLLED LAUGHTER. SO MANY OF THEM DO BELIEVE THAT WE MUST BE SALVAGING MANY.(on a good night) FROM DREAMING ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS THESE MISDIRECTED. MANY TIMES THE ACTUAL AMOUNTS OF THOSE PRECIOUS METALS THAT EXIST IN THE SPENT CATALYSTS. THERE.. I.. BELIEVE ME.. 2008 why when someone lays it out for you you think its wrong? its not safe you can't do it in your house or basement if you get it wrong you die!! SO look it up and then think about it!! get it wrong. Allen Cook pgm refiner ...I'M ALRIGHT NOW. I DON'T KNOW IF I WOULD WANT TO INCLUDE THE PERSONAL REALITY OF ME WAKING UP IN A COLD-CLAMMY SWEAT.'TILL IT STARTS ALL OVER AGAIN TOMORROW MORNING. I SWEAR. AAARRRRAGGGAAAHHHHH! OK..... SCREAMING.I WILL... TED... NAIVE AND SOMETIMES HYSTERICAL PEOPLE HAVE TO SAY TO ME ON THE PHONE OR eMAIL. OK. ONE HAS TO WONDER IF THEY ARE JOKING WITH US OR (even worse) ARE ACTUALLY SERIOUS ABOUT SOME OF THEIR FANTASTIC BELIEFS AND STATEMENTS.. NOW. BUT.. 2008 I have started down the Aqua regia route for reclaiming PMG's from cats which I'm quite .. you're dead and everyone close to you.OK.I UNDERSTAND JUST HOW OFTEN YOU MUST BITE YOUR LIP AND GIVE A SIGNIFICANT PAUSE TO REFLECT ON THE ABSURDITIES SOME OF THESE POSTERS KEY-OUT.rock springs..I GET A REGULAR DOSE OF COMMENTS FROM INDIVIDUALS CLAIMING THAT THERE'S GOTTA BE SOME SORT OF CONSPIRACY WITH REGARD TO ACTUAL RETRIEVABLE PGM LOADS FROM VARIOUS AUTO CATALYSTS AND INDUSTRIAL SUCCENTS.WITH YOUR RESPONSES TO THESE POSTS AND I DO ADMIRE YOU FOR THAT... I'LL GET THROUGH THIS TONIGHT. AND THEY ALSO BELIEVE THAT THE PROCESS IS SIMPLE AND COSTS VERY LITTLE TO DO IT.. Wyoming July 4. IN ANY MONTH. I SUPPOSE THAT I WOULD NEED TO WRITE-IN A FEW CHASE SCENES AND OTHER HI-TENSION SUBJECT MATTER TO HOLD GENERAL AUDIENCE INTERESTS...I HAVE NOTHING TO SAY... I DEAL WITH VARIOUS SEGMENTS OF THE PGM RECYCLING INDUSTRY ON A DAILY (and nightly) BASIS AND EVERY TIME I THINK THAT I'VE HEARD IT ALL....Moreno Valley..gonna pour myself a good brandy.
Palmerston Nth. but I have no reason to assume they are thieves. I will post it on the major internet services (google. I guess in some areas there is catalytic converter theft but I've never heard of an incident in my local newspapers or on my TV stations. and my son who is a . the current market for rhodium is closer to £18K. I do like Chuck's method however and if I had seen it early enough would have gone down that road as it appears nice and clean. I personally think people are misguided in their amateur precious metal recovery efforts. 2008 Also. 2008 Why is it that all these cat convertor thieves are asking how to extract the platinum. Step #3 Melt all of the contents. I too am interested in procuring platinum from catalytic converters. I would like to thank whom ever sends this information so that it can be distributed to people who do need extra income for their families. etc. and so on until the last step of removing slag from the platinum. Step #2 Strip the insides of the converter and place into a large crucible. What I can't fathom with Chuck's method though is that separation of the PMG's seem to be straight forward but the scientific papers on the subject say you only get separation of the PMG's if you use a carrier metal such as copper. Thank you again. yahoo. I have read these questions and also the answers in great detail tying to resolve the correct procedures to make these extractions of platinum.London. England July 9. etc. they would know that the current market price for an ounce of platinum is closer to $4k.comfortable with. Scott Edgeler .Palacios. being a retired scientist(chemist). I Remain. that is how we know there is no real interest in the metal other than its resale value. 2008 Hi. Chuck? Bob Keen . Don Weaver hobbyist . if anyone had done their homework. Is there any one who can steer us folks in the correct step by step procedures? What # step do the different chemicals get added in? As soon as I obtain the correct step by step procedures for the extraction of platinum from auto catalytic converters. However. Sincerely. could someone give the correct Step #1 Open up the converter with a torch. I have tried googling on the internet and I have not found any significant "steps" to extract platinum from converters.) for all to use. Scott. New Zealand July 4. Perhaps the key to it is the flux's that Chuck uses! Any comments. Texas July 9.
JUST KEY-OUT "KITCO" OK? I'M GONNA GO TO BED NOW. You said that you reclaimed gold from jewelry.IT'S STARTING AGAIN. Ted Mooney. P.GAWD. Silica flour. but I am not sure how close to full price I would be able to get for it). SCOTT. I am interested in getting into this so I have been doing some research..local cop here hasn't seen any incidences of it either.com Brick. If you've suffered a theft yourself. I intend to go to .moreno valley. 2008 My question is for chuck who last posted on this topic back in April. would this work? How many times do you have melt the gold to remove all of the impurities? Does the waste or slag eventually come to the surface and then it is easy to pour out or do you have to strain it somehow? How do you measure the purity of gold? Where do you sell your gold when your done? What kind of price should I expect for an ounce of refined gold? (I know what gold is worth. but I have some questions. New Jersey July 11. borax [link is to product info].. finishing. and Sodium Nitrate to remove the impurities from the gold. allen cook . Could you use these same chemicals when melting jewelry? How does this process work? How much of each chemical should be used? What do you use? Also I was thinking of using an electric kiln capable of 2300 F.. California July 14. I know when they are refining gold after being mined they use a combination of these five chemicals Manganese Dioxide... fluoride. r. PLEEZ..but please don't demand that we make the presumption that anyone we see climbing the church steps is on their way to rob the poor box :-) Regards. STOP IT SCOTT. 2008 OMG.E. Any answers anyone can provide on this topic would be greatly appreciated. WHY ARE U QUOTING SUCH ABSURD SPOT-PRICES FOR PLATINUM AND PALLADIUM? IF YOU WILL REFER TO THE CURRENT DAILY PGM CHARTS DISPLAYED BY KITCO. along with a graphite crucible.. C'MON.. YOU WILL KNOW A LITTLE MORE ABOUT WORLD MARKET PRECIOUS METALS BUYING AND SELLING VALUES. I'm sorry for you -.
etc. but the body of the cat itself. very dangerous. fire. (If you are good with people. The info is available on the web..) .so it looks as though if you want to get the most out of cat processing you grab the earlier cats most of whom will contain only platinum and palladium. Because cats run at extremely high temperatures. I am very tempted to try my hand at recovering metals from cats. however. he pays them X per.. in fact. what you know (like chemistry). They indicate that in 1993 cats contained 60 g of precious metals but with new technologies this has been reduced so that now cats only contain 5 g of precious metals and this equates approximately to 3. Every step towards recovering platinum. New Zealand July 14. Bob Keen . The large English company of Johnson Matthey supply 1 in 3 cars worldwide with cats. You have to decide where you want to fit in the process.. California July 14. Think boiling acid.Palmerston North. He can sell them to a processor for X. 3. 1. 2008 Some pertinent information for potential cat processors. The processor must cut open the cats and remove the core (that's where the platinum is. I have some chemistry lab experience. Friend of mine runs a repair shop. 2008 1.) The processor can sell the core for X + Y.19 g platinum.) You want a plasma cutter to work at speed.the library to do more research but if I could talk to someone who has actually done something like this it would help. in a cat has a value: A. Garret Boyer . including concentrated acids. (I'm not talking about the pipes on either side. 2.04 g palladium and 0. The value of your part of the process depends on how much work you want to do. If you mess up.take your pick.78 g rhodium . B. you might do very well building relationships with owners of repair shops. C. the chemicals required are. the steel parts are high grade and not easy to cut.Vista. plus Z for . He is currently getting $30 each. Is this a reasonable price? He works primarily on higher priced cars. about 15 cats a week. explosion . You see where this is leading. you will not get a second chance. and what you are good at. Guy picks up cats from repair shops. plus Y for (1) the work and expense of collecting them and (2) developing his network of suppliers (the repair shops).
get some cats and refine your process through the chain as you feel comfortable and safe. You do not need to break out the boiling acid to make a buck. 2008 I'll take the easy road . New York July 14. Bottom line if you are happy with less recovery. get a life.e. this is a chemical process that is dangerous. they are making a killing but only the ones that stay quiet.Phoenix. or you are happy to concentrate the cores to the point that that you are comfortable with and learn as you go then that is a great plan.. 2008 Ted Wow. start at step 1. Suggestion: if you do not need cash but want to start a play just start stockpiling CCs. difficult and dirty and is a 'pro's only' game requiring much knowledge to avoid death and harm .. The level you wish to extract to depends on the level of work & knowledge OR test & try you . do multiple levels in the process and avoid what they are not good at . 1.like playing with VooDoo dolls or something..be it chemistry or people (Ted). OR 2. Laura Shea . No chem degree required or magical explosions or secretive myths. .Ardsley. sourcing the CCs. And actually they are right.that you apply. I liked the post that spoke to finding your place in the distribution chain i. Arizona USA July 18. Then learn / test the next step and so forth.. since no one has asked it yet. This is a basic process of extraction.Frank Richardson . Yes. what year did they start and stop putting the precious beads in these converters? Actually it's a question of curiosity . You do NOT have to use a complex and dangerous chemical process to recover these metals unless you need high yield recovery. High temp acid and playing with chemical mixtures at any temperature is a great start to a bad weekend. If you read through this post and all the threads you will find that there are two pools of thought.
So you are dealing with some pretty bad radicals so be safe. Imagine though if you bought CC for 5 years. instead why not try to help . learn to buy cats. That's when you cash in. My chemistry and people skills may not be good.e.. Be mindful of environmental impacts and keep the cores well stored. learn to compact the cores. did a fast refinement to concentrate and then started doing the processing side. but they've been adequate to keep this site going for more than a quarter million postings over 19 years. So we'll be happy to print more postings from you. Get rich quick? Nope..don't outline problems but give better solutions so they can learn and grow. i. or sell it as-is. Take a long term view. wear breathing and other protection. . refine.that why they are in the car.. Then if you decide the biz (or parts of the biz) is not for you you can sell your cores and cash out and probably make more because the metal prices keep going up. One last point is keep in mind the cores are dangerous from step 1. There are carcinogens (cancer causing agents) in exhaust and many bad chemicals . Jolly Roger PS Ted nothing actually against you however I see your feedback and others in the business as being very transparent including mr CAPITALS. learn to safely strip cats... So do your 55 gallon drum but keep the drum & learn or sell it only once you know more about its real value. Jon.Dallas. stripped the cores. I don't engage in any business except this website and haven't for many years -. Texas July 18. Jon Decker personal interest . but only if they talk about the topic rather than the other posters. 2008 Hi. Get wealthy as you go . I learned that the single most important thing necessary for a durable public forum website is to not print ad hominem attacks. Its a closed poverty and scarcity mindset that tries to infect others with the difficulty you found learning it.yip. Regards.so I don't know what you mean about "your feedback and others in the business as being very transparent".when you get better later and have more skills and contacts you can convert for cash or refine it to the next step of stripping the cores well.
000 to a refinery in CA. i want a direct dealer. 2008 I think you should look at what other products have Platinum in them there must be other applications that are not so hard to find electronics maybe? L. Mims Research . I called around to a few places and they say you can't get nearly that much for them. New Jersey July 19.Ted Mooney.. 2008 I have been searching for company or companies that recycle auto catalytic converter to transact business with. Georgia July 21. California July 22. calculated in kg? I get my goods from Europe. Germany July 20.Vista. Georgia July 22. and believe you can do it with platinum. Africa and Asia. 2008 I believe I know how. 2008 just a quick note. but it is dangerous. or did you just hear from someone that you could sell them for that much. Please explain. you will need to dissolve it in a hot aqua regia. Collins Emeka Ali wholesaler . aqua regia is made with . Garret Boyer . company that buy complete cat converter or buy those that have been removed from the case.. 2008 Hey Dale you said that you can ship a 55 gallon barrel full of CC beads to a refinery in CA. What's the name of the refinery? Did you actually fill up a 55 gallon barrel full of the beads and sell it for $20. Hessen.Taunusstein.your use of ounces and the confusion of value may be because the measure of TROY ounces for platinum is different from a standard ounce i believe MARCUS Hardy .Atlanta. P.Brunswick.com Brick. I have done this with gold.E. finishing.
Bremerton. Next take it to an area far away from human traffic . after you dissolve the platinum you can recover it by filtering out the acid through a coffee filter.hydrochloric and nitric acids. After the melt has cooled cover half of it with chemically pure nitric acid. platinum. gold appears as a white powder on the filter. 2008 hey I'm touss in ga and want to know more about selling these cats i have in my junk cars! please do help who buys them and how much? touss black auto sales .com/cars/2008/02/asplatinum-soa. I got me some cat converters we found just hangin off the cars in the walmart parkin lot. note: Regarding theft of catalytic convertors. never mind. It is best to use a large ceramic coated cooks pot so you don't have to transfer the liquid later.morrow. this makes the acid start to work. please at least warn the folks at 9-1-1 before you start. I am not sure about platinum. see-. uranium.) Fred Weivraer . cover the remainder with water. and me and some of my buds here in the trailer park are thinkin of settin up an advanced precious metals extraction lab in my shed (thinkin of callin it "Hazmat Heaven") and I wanna know from you people what's a cheap easy way I can learn from one post. Georgia August 8.html July 30. You will have to crack the ceramic in a few places to accelerate the melt. Chuck was the smartest and closest poster yet. the fumes and smoke are . First you take the contents of the CC whether it be beads or honeycomb and melt it. to get the $50. titanium. Wait. Washington Ed. And don't ask me to do too much readin! (No.blog. Well.Grand Rapids. but seriously folks. and kryptonite and stuff. However keep in mind that it can be extremely dangerous if you are not constantly paying attention. See you soon. acids are very dangerous when you heat them.000 worth of palladium.wired. Michigan August 4. the melting point of platinum is 1755°C. here's a message from a Firefighter/EMT/Hazmat Tech: You have no more business doing "do it yourself" metallurgy of this type than you have making your own fireworks or booze. 2008 I am going to explain the easiest way to do this. 2008 Hey. This can be done in a 30 gallon steel barrel with a crucible inside. much hotter than gold at 1063°C I hope this helps and gives you enough information that you will be able to make a good decision on is it really worth it! Dennis Misenar . what? Oh.
Mercury.. Platinum . All metals give off varying degrees of toxic fumes during the smelting process. Bob Keen .Palmerston North. Does this not fit in with your description of the two metals being melted? As I see it for any one who has. take what is left in the bottom of the pot to a refiner and they will refine it and pay you much more than you will get if you sell them whole.. then dissolve the lead (and the palladium will also go) out of the button with nitric acid leaving the platinum behind. 2008 A query to Chuck . All must be MELTED (smelted)to a liquid or semi-liquid state in order to separate it from all other metals/minerals/waste.. Carry out a large scale fire assay approach and add litharge to the flux mix. Copper. New Zealand August 22. Petersburg. Put this on an old gas barbecue with a side burner and heat it . Some metals must undergo multiple smeltings to be purified to a level which makes "recovery/collection" feasible. Sliver. there is always danger in attempting to extract precious or semi-precious metal due to the heat and gas-release aspect. 2008 . The PbO is reduced to lead which acts as a carrier metal for the precious metals.Hi Chuck. If any of you readers try this approach please report back on the minimum amount of litharge you can use and don't be so damn secretive. Florida August 21.truly DEADLY. Aluminum. This means it takes a crucible furnace that can melt bronze if you want to recover silver or gold but you need a special crucible furnace that can reach above the upper limit of iron to at least melt the palladium which would act as a carrier metal for platinum which melts at a higher temperature. I've carried out a literature search the results of which indicate that with the crucible furnace approach the temperature of the contents of the crucible must be such as to melt the precious metal under consideration for it to form a button of metal in the bottom of the mould. Iron. Different metals require different temperatures to melt/smelt/separate. Zinc. Gold. or can build a crucible furnace capable of melting bronze your still in the picture. What is the process for extraction/recovery of platinum from vehicle catalytic converters that makes it "risky" or "near-impossible" ? ..St. Tin. Yes. REMEMBER this is very dangerous but it works Angelo C retired . you have been rather shy in coming back with answers but you may come back on this one. the acid will eat everything but gild and platinum metals . Steel.
It is a risky criminal venture and you'll be making probably about $50 off of it. There are easier ways to scrounge up fifty bucks. Can anyone steer me in the right direction and method to obtain the elements that is inside the catalytic converter. 2008 My.West Blocton.. 2008 Hi I have a reactor for leaching catalysts same catalytic convertors process is simple and . Texas October 13. IF YOU ARE THINKING OF STEALING CATALYTIC CONVERTERS TO SELL FOR PROFIT. Cheers Ian Vollers . Ted.. foundry equipment. rch Richard Howell . Keep up the good work.. you are truly a wise man replying calmly to a variety of wildly different and equally stupid comments in your own due time.. just curious . Like how to separate the platinum from the other elements. Alabama October 27.Houston.and the ceramic that are found in cat converters. And further is it possible and feasible and cost effective? William Perry researcher .e.. You can only profit from refining the platinum if you are set up to do it in a professional working environment. This requires $millions.Jackson. let me say to others before they post: IF YOU ARE THINKING OF TRYING TO GET INTO THE PRECIOUS METALS EXTRACTION BUSINESS AS A SMALL TIME PERSONAL BUSINESS. Forget it.. i. DON'T.. DON'T.. 2008 I am trying to come up with enough platinum from an automobile's catalytic converters to build the stacks. As an outsider having come in this subject with an impartial point of view and having reached a conclusion. Mississippi August 26.cathode and anode for a 7 kw solid oxide fuel cell to produce electricity. G'Day ! . what a strange and interesting corner of the internet this is to have stumbled into.
hollis... Anyhow it's not anyone's place to say you shouldn't experiment with these suggestions. Dennis Klabel peddler . But I will say: DO NOT LISTEN TO Angelo C retired . 2008 I need to find the device that is used to identify which precious metal I have acquired. 2008 Sorry folks had to say something on the subject. and never the reverse.if not sorry for wasting your time. Dave tupps . FL. U.. Wales. If you add water to acid. November 21. I don't normally write on forums just read them. Alaska .effective recovery platinum is 97% in this process we load pacol catalyst about 15 KG then add sodium cyanide 60 liter 1% after 2 h and 160 c platinum and other precious metals dissolve we recover solution on anionic resin after burning resin we have pure platinum then this platinum purified.please reply. most discoveries are made from mistakes after all. So Always Add Acid to water..Esfahan.. Petersburg. Kentucky 6 ACID GOLD TEST KIT + PLUS ONE 600 GR. NEVER ADD WATER TO ACID.... If anyone knows of a place it would be most helpful. Travis Watkins . Mahmoodbeigi .. you form an extremely concentrated solution of acid initially. platinum. and zinc are hard for me to identify unless I already know what it is.Swansea. I don't know how much of it is pure or not but I'm having a hard time finding a place i can sell to. Some precious metals are obvious but. Iran November 12.89 2h 00m View all disclaimer December 15. 2008 I was given some platinum shavings from my father in law. DIGITAL SCALE $27. So if you know where to acquire one..aluminum..Lexington. the solution that forms is very dilute and the small amount of heat released is not enough to vaporize and spatter it.silver.St. splashing concentrated acid out of the container! If you add acid to water.. So much heat is released that the solution may boil very violently..K.
this is called the heat of liberation. and then you'll never have a problem wondering whether the acid is weak enough to keep you out of trouble.. So much heat is released that the solution may boil very violently. FL. Petersburg. Now.let's pretend I have a 5 gallon pail with 1 gallon of hydrochloric acid in it. Never been a problem with it. heat is produced. When water and acid are mixed.E.. not the concentration. ... Ted Mooney. But Angelo is correct about the principle. If you add water to an acid which is already sufficiently diluted. and it's the safe procedure to learn. the solution that forms is very dilute and the small amount of heat released is not enough to vaporize and spatter it.. everyone should be allowed to experiment with these processes and perhaps learn a better way to extract these precious metals.. I add another gallon of the same acid to the 5 gallon pail.com Brick. This has been done this way every week since the place opened in 1967. P. it seems that some haven't even read the whole forum.December 21. you form an extremely concentrated solution of acid initially. the heat of liberation can be great enough to flash that droplet of water to steam and blow concentrated acid out of the mixing container.Neenah Wisconsin Hi. splashing concentrated acid out of the container! If you add acid to water. This isn't just book stuff. it's real stuff that has injured many people. I am only changing the volume of acid." I completely disagree. So Always Add Acid to water. If you add water to acid. Chris Jones . I must fill a 55 gallon drum with 10 gallons of hydrochloric acid and then dilute with 45 gallons of water. Regards. Most of the new questions have been answered farther back. and never the reverse.St. 2008 "DO NOT LISTEN TO Angelo Casa retired . finishing. at my place of employment. Chris. I think that you should read up and lean the do and don'ts of the process but in the end. The principle is that if a droplet of water is added to strong acid. New Jersey December 19. you can have a situation where that droplet is surrounded by concentrated acid and as it begins to mix. Once weekly. As for being informed and the morality of "stealing" a process. it may cause no problem. 2008 I must add that thus far. NEVER ADD WATER TO ACID.. simple or not.
Canada December 26. are found in these fuels and are released into the air upon burning. adding to the cat's original metal content. that I am responding is if you check up about gas and other such fossil fuel emissions. palladium. This makes the cats more valuable than they actually started off as and this discovery had been made some 30 years ago. (no good) also if you shake it it should not make a noise if it is full. sell it for about $100 (where it just seems to be an old piece of junk) The gentleman had shown a tray of blackish powder and stated that its contents were platinum and palladium (mostly) and was worth over 3 million dollars. If you can refine it yourself though the above mentioned process by the others. like the bio diesel making system . if it does. but the refineries wouldn't be there unless it was absolutely worth it.Willmar. will pay 50-75 dollars. You may be doing a small favor to the environment. Lisa Harrison hobbyist . Ontario.. Canada December 31. there are places all around Minnesota that buy old cats. The process of extracting these materials was only partially aired on TV not too long ago where the spokesman of the company let slip that cats do the same filtering and collecting as his plant does through filtering emissions. 2009 Ok I understand everybody's concern in the welfare of other's safety. You are in fact collecting these precious materials for someone else to make a lot of profit. is there any companies who sell these system ? (the Metals recovering system . they have the best cat prices. 2008 I thinking what most of the people want to know is if there is a complete prefabricated system we can buy and use to extract this metals. the cat is still worth something just not the full price..not the bio diesel one ) ? Fahd Mellal .. This is why you can buy a $200 cat and 5 years later. 2008 Cats are worth about $50-75 when the scrap prices are good. Better to have the money in your pocket than someone else's. as for half full half empty they are talking bout how much stuff is inside the cat. Others that actually take into consideration about the money they will make off you. etc. Good luck and be careful. you will learn that gold. Some scrap yards try to pay you the minimum price ($5).Ottawa.Alberta. I can understand but just cutting the cats open and the shipping all the insides to someone who is more trained and . Mike Brown . even though the process is complex enough. some places even pay up to a hundred... though. The cats actually catch these metal particles.. in Monticello MN they have Integrated Recycling. Minnesota January 7. do so. Think about it.The real reason. platinum.. if you can see through the end it is hollow.
If there is a way that I can do this please share.experienced with the right resources in this type of field sounds like a good idea to me. There was a lot of good info that was given and very helpful. it is now legal in Texas to kill someone who is stealing from you. and I know of many people in my area who will be protecting their vehicles with a shotgun. Do not ask me if the catcon is worth someone's life. But from what I have noticed is 75% of the people that were asking about which ones were worth more or demanding to know how to refine/extract the rare minerals out are the thieves.Round Rock. BTW. I am just curious to see what type of money can really be made I am never shy of a new business venture. This is becoming an epidemic. Food for thought: If you don't want to take the time to read these posts or want to learn then your setting yourself up for failure. Pennsylvania January 17. make and model of their vehicle. If you are a scrap dealer. change your policies to force sellers of catcons to provide their photo ID. Mine was stolen yesterday while it was parked outside my apartment. 2009 Hello all. rather. 2009 I spent the time reading through every post that was made. Good luck . and possibly take a photo of the seller to insure that they can be reached if it turns out they have been buying and selling stolen parts. and I have heard of someone who has been hit 3 times. that someone seeking the "easy" (read that as idiot's) way to extract the precious metals is more than likely a thief. I ran across this after the catcon was stolen from under my 4Runner whilst at the grocery store.Pittsburgh. Thank You BRAD Bradley Kemp . Texas January 31. ask the scumbag thief if his/her life is worth getting caught. as well as license plate number. The thieves have been stealing from hard working people who may not really to be able to afford replacement parts. In Seattle alone its a huge business stealing cats and from the looks of it its spreading all over the US. Just remember. Michael Manning .
Seattle Washington February 2.but that has changed. The only way a small minority refiner can compete with larger more well heeled refiners is to have figured out a way to do the job smarter and cheaper. Second. and welding smoke to attract attention. because "better" can be code for "easier to steal". You can Google books on inorganic chemistry and just download . New Jersey February 5. and that has made them targets (because thieves can rob them en masse from a car dealership with less noise. I put myself out of business. Giving the fruits of that labor for free assigns no value to my work. hadn't encountered catalytic converter theft -. there is a gold refining website I saw that tells you a lot more than I would have.David Fiiola . light.com Brick. We'll let specialty sites that carry more detail guide the readers on which converters are more valuable. finishing. If we knew which posters (if any) were thieves. Google it. First. and get the same results. we wouldn't print their inquiries :-) I reported earlier that my son.E. Most people refining these metals don't have a clue as to the chemistry involved. He noted that on some new models the converter can be removed with wrenches . That being said. note that knowledge is power. David. I am not going to tell you how to refine the Platinum Group Metals (PGMs) either. 2009 Okay. The bottom line is: There is no great mystery to metals refining and it is not hard. Why? Because I paid for my education.no saw or torch. I suggest learning chemistry well enough to know what is happening. Regards. P. Ted Mooney. we are editing postings that claim that particular converters are 'better' to get hold of than others. Once I tell the world that. I'm not going to use Ted's site to promote another. So as this trend of catalytic converter theft continues to spread. I can't take it anymore. Also. 2009 Hi. Sorry that you were a victim of this theft. a local cop. There is so much confusion and disinformation in this thread I just had to say something. They just do as they saw their boss do. in time and research and experimentation and labor.
and then you have almost pure platinum and palladium.. So. there is no simpler. just a process someone tried to adapt to PGMs. A Crucible and crucible furnace is all you need along with some borax and silica sand. It's no more dangerous than plating or finishing.. BTW the metals from fire refining will be nowhere near pure. However this is a teaser. I don't plan on giving you a guide to how I make my living. evaporate. This is nonsense. The best you will get is micro-beads embedded in flux.. from this point on I am going to go over these posts from the start and add input. As an aside. For that matter. This actually will get you some PGMs. 2008 Reflux the honeycomb in aqua regia (HCl. Wha??? I don't know where to start on this one. without heat (or w/ slight solar) in plastic buckets and barrels. There are a few more needed steps you are not told . ++++++ Recovery is dangerous and shouldn't be attempted by an untrained individual though. This is not the ordinary way to do it. Or read De Re Metallica. you can refine it at room temperature. April 24.If you can't understand that then you're out of luck. You can get it easily and cheaply (free for electronics in most municipalities). Why reinvent the wheel? Forget this manner completely. There are many available online from the 1800s and early 1900s. You also don't have to use Nitric acid. it is someone trying to find a new more complicated way to do it. +++++++ The process to do so is known as carbochlorination and the simplified textbook definition of the process is as follows: . safely if you build your own scrubbers. You should have the same level of knowledge and training needed for those. you NEVER need to use Cyanides or hydrofluoric acid. There are safer substitutes. it isn't even a process for PGMs. . strain the resulting solution and dispose of the ceramic. treat with Ammonium chloride.. in the library more than 30 years ago and use a search engine to find the modern terms for the archaic ones he uses (Although we still use "aqua regia"). HNO3).and read them. There are other oxidizers. wash with HCl. (And the term reflux might confuse many). drop Cat Converters and concentrate on electronic scrap and low grade plated stuff. I in turn found out the secret. you would need a much more aggressive flux and the metals won't drop anyway. Why would you use silica sand to flux an aluminosilicate? With the low temp of a bronze furnace. April 30. but not all contained. or for Cat Con substrate. I am also going to suggest that all of you get rich quick guys... dry and heat to 500 C to remove impurities. with cheap readily available chemicals. step by step method of doing this. The base metals also have value and will help you stay profitable. as I did. but I do want to help stop people from doing "stupid human tricks" in the mistaken belief they are learning something. 2008 I too used to think like most of you until I talked to a gentleman who owns a bronze sculpture foundry..
Chuck? Chuck's method as listed is claptrap. in the end. August 21. then you will need hydrochloric acid.use a combination of these five chemicals Manganese Dioxide... The lead fumes will get you an EPA summons. But he points you in the right direction. along with a graphite crucible The crucible will not last long with those oxidizing fluxes and you will need an awful lot of flux. July 14. Melt ceramic in a ceramic pot? How about melting ice in a block of ice? Chemically pure nitric acid? What is that? Water makes the acid work? Trust me. In a jewelry melt it will not separate the silver or palladium... 2008 Perhaps the key to it is the flux's that Chuck uses! Any comments.here. Silica flour. fluoride.after you dissolve the platinum you can recover it by filtering out the acid through a coffee filter. gold appears as a white powder on the filter Hope you didn't dump all that funny yellow green colored solution after you kept your "white powder on the filter". 2008 . In most of these posts no one has examined the question of what to do with it once you have refined it.. July 22. June 13. You just told everyone to mix an acid with itself to extract.I was thinking of using an electric kiln capable of 2300 F. . platinum and palladium and saved a filtrate of silver chloride (and maybe some mercury and lead chloride). 2008 I am going to explain the easiest way to do this. . Period. Could you use these same chemicals when melting jewelry? This is for fire refining. there's the rub. I agree: you're no rocket scientist. July 4.. won't be pure enough for a plater) you will. Fumes and smoke. However keep in mind that it can be extremely dangerous if you are not constantly paying attention. Unless you have an end user (caster.where is this guy? The EPA will lock your ass up.. still be selling to a refiner.. . muriatic acid so you can mix them in the right amounts to make the acid that is needed to extract the metals. you dumped the gold. He will take his cut. dental lab.. depending on how you used your nitric.. Borax. The reason you refine your metals is to separate them so you can't be beaten in an assay or weighing. If so. August 8. and Sodium Nitrate to remove the impurities from the gold. but simply highly purified metals. 2008 Carry out a large scale fire assay approach and add litharge to the flux mix This melt will take hours to drop the metals. commercial (technical) nitric will work very vigorously without adding water. you might also have saved tin on the filter. People.. let's all just assume this guy is joking. Therefore your goal is not to produce absolutely pure metals.. You will not get pure precious metals with fire refining.. 2008 . In a really bizarre case.Where do you sell your gold when your done? Ah. Chuck was the smartest and closest poster yet. Electric kilns are not a good idea. 2008 And by the way if your still wanting to try it all your selves.
2008 All must be MELTED (smelted)to a liquid or semi-liquid state in order to separate it from all other metals/minerals/waste. you will learn that gold. and zinc are hard for me to identify unless I already know what it is. etc. October 27. Do your research first. check this website for posts on testing the various metals.. 1 bottle of nitric. 2009 Thanks. I received a lot of enjoyment in refining by making little discoveries no one else had.You will spend more money on fuel and litharge than you will make in PGMs. that was quite an exposition! Regards. a test stone. NO ONE inquiring should ever touch cyanide. Some precious metals are obvious but. The slag will be loaded with lead and illegal to dump except as a hazardous waste. December 19.. New York February 12. Nothing NEEDS to be melted until you are ready to make it into a bar. 2008 The real reason. set up safely. and a set of test needles.. what do you do to recover the palladium? August 22. palladium. as far as efficiencies and techniques. The metals in the exhaust are from your engine parts wearing and oxidizing and blowing past the rings via the oil. Wrong. This sounds like an Eco Urban Myth to me. Pyro-metallurgy is not the way for the small operator to go. Get a test kit from a jewelers supply company. Or get the test stone and the empty bottles and make your own. aluminum. that I am responding is if you check up about gas and other such fossil fuel emissions. though.. I also found the chemistry itself to be fascinating. For the other metals. If you dissolve the lead and palladium. Gary. silver. 1 bottle of nitric plus table salt. you will still see metal beads that didn't drop. are found in these fuels. . and have fun on your projects. Good luck guys. platinum. and during the sulfuric acid treatment of the petroleum. The metals in the fuels would be captured in the asphalt tailings left from distillation. 2008 I need to find the device that is used to identify which precious metal I have acquired. November 21. Examining the slag under a microscope. 2008 in this process we load pacol catalyst about 15 KG then add sodium cyanide From what I have seen from the posts here. platinum.Mount Vernon. Hydro-metallurgy is. Gary Wilson .
Now even if you've spent the money to get your Pt assayed.g. P. Good luck to any one who wants to do this in their garage. you will NOT get anywhere near top dollar. I am going back to primitive for gold recovery and will let the professionals do their thing with the platinum. or 99. Going to an assay lab to get a single sample assayed is not cheap. increased hazard and risk. I think if I cut the cats. I am not stupid nor a scientist. and your assay cost per kilo drops. New Jersey February 12.Medford. separate the honeycomb.e. and will cut into your profits significantly. I have also tried to smelt the gold from my cons using a furnace and flux. 2009 i smelted my catalytic converter with a torch and got a silver metal of about the size of 4 quarters i was wondering what type of metal it is thanks yev yevgeniy ganchenko hobbyist. The chemical process seems to be the best. Typically the prices that you find online for semi-precious and precious metals are for a specific grade .Ted Mooney. The methods that Chuck suggested in heating will probably work if you have a better understanding of this process than I do. But. If your metal does not meet the grade. finishing. again more problems. 2009 The company I work for refines semi-precious metals to semiconductor grade (7 nines).com Brick. The more valuable a metal is. Oregon March 4.E. I appreciate the knowledge of others who are looking to recover platinum from cats. Here is where economies of scale come in. I have played with acids (hydrofluoric) and others and created more problems than I started with in the "simple" recovery of gold from rock. who's going to buy it? Most of . 4 nines purity. resulting in a certificate of analysis. Scott Myers . . This generally means getting a representative sample of your batch assayed. California March 27. make your batch really big. the more your potential buyer is going to expect you to prove the purity. one of which I will expand on: how to sell the metal once it's purified.99% pure.Sacramento. with larger batches comes larger setup and equipment costs. I will get more for my time and less potential lose to my health. Gary Wilson has made some excellent points. 2009 EASY MONEY. but with my limited desire to play with extremely or mildly dangerous chemicals and also stay alive I will skip this. Right? Hello. and so on.
you don't know the difference between a gram and an ounce. you won't likely get top dollar. does anybody have any experience with the iShor system.you think there's some sort of conspiracy afoot simply because no one is telling you what you WANT to hear.British Columbia. Al. Ted. Yes. Concentrate the Pt. . .you don't know the difference between HCl and muriatic acid. . ( www. My question is. would be to follow the advice of Dale R.you think a complex process such as Pt-extraction. but if you don't have access to the customers who can and will pay top dollar. or brain surgery can be explained in a simplistic step-by-step fashion via a blog. It's cleaner. my advice to some of you is that you shouldn't bother trying to extract the Pt yourself if: . By the way. I have read through this entire thread as some others have. in my opinion. In fact they're trying to tell you what you NEED to hear .hopefully I'll find an equally entertaining thread to read! Al E .you're just not listening.Glovertown NL Canada April 4.shorinternational. I plan to return . After reading this entire thread. my all-time favorite is letter -. .the companies we deal with cannot buy from just anyone .Ted 12044 :-) March 30. I too am interested in refining Plat. has anyone tried to zone refine Pt? Thanks. for the informative site. 2009 Hi Ted. note: if you're looking for entertainment in the dialogs.you've never heard of PPE. easier. Canada ---Ed.you don't know what a fume hood is. 2009 . but leave the refining for someone else. The easiest money. .com) if so what were you results? Thanks Glenn Glenn Burry .you have to be a qualified supplier or have a quality management system in place (in other words ISO certification). It would seem the obvious and safest way would be to salvage the converters and store the guts of them into a drum for resale at a later date. you will be able to sell your metal to someone out there. and won't cost yours or your family's health.
from Platinum to Gold to Silver to Rhodium to Palladium. I must admit. I was interested. sometimes on the PCBs. the discovery of Pt. from buy amounts based on spot. From breaking up the parts first. from contracts to futures. or they might haggle for a few minutes. I left with him at the end of the day. I installed the equipment. Judging by the equipment. because of low corrosion. 486s are good. then told the man that if he left the offer would be void. From eBay. to filters. whether the customer might come back. up until this moment. The old man made an offer. That's the business. the old man said no. to sell at 90% of spot. I have spent the last five hours of my life. Did you prospectors know this is used in cell phone capacitors. The seller sat in a chair for a full 30 minutes! He made a few calls on his cell. A "gold buyer" bought two laptops. because she had a sick child with her. He was an old man. upped it by $100 once. to what might be in Grandma's drawer. I read about alchemy. or other factors. coins. computers being my own acquired skill. I was hooked. etc.) The customer would either accept the price. One customer had a 135 grams between a bracelet and a watch. from Karat percentages. At that point. a watch movement). to grams to ounces. from bullion and bars to coins and jewelry. it seemed as though he is no longer working out of a necessity for money. On Friday. bullion. That lead me to extraction. to flame assay. to Kitco. While working this morning I constantly got sidetracked searching for gold ounce. to other acids. he had the gold packed up. but a necessity for something else. Pentiums not so much.). a router. to aqua regia. based on 55% to 70% of spot. etc. car. and help him set up a simple Excel spreadsheet for the weight/karat/price calculations. and wireless printer from me last week for his new location. ambiance. I witnessed at least six transactions with actual customers. He used a calculator to reduce the weights to actual gold content. potentially wasting a beautiful Saturday afternoon. glued to the laptop. based on karats of course. to Monex. That simple. from refiners to traders to storage facilities. and they shook hands with an air of respect. rejected some. depending on quality. He literally begged to be able to leave and check a few places. junk. to the . etc. the gold is in the contacts. price of gold. and said that he was driving over to his dealer. and it's heavier than Pt!!! :) Of course I then ended up at "retrieving gold from computer parts". he stone tested it with acids. While there. if there were other items in the weight (stones. He sold the gold. kept others. had trouble moving. then he quoted a price. (He paid one woman more than 70%. deny it. or spread the word to others.This has been fascinating! I work on computer systems for small offices. With no malice at all. repeatedly. in the processors. He weighed the material (necklaces. He said those types of things come back to you. watches. etc. I even spent a good ten minutes a good ten minutes on Tantalum. sell amounts based over spot. he once used a very expensive looking specific gravity machine because he wasn't sure about a piece.
was the surprise of the day. They were stored on a shelf for ten years.philosopher's stone. But still. And I never post. industry articles. and presented again after WWII. I attempted to talk about languages. To quote another poster "quite an unusual an interesting corner of the internet". he loves computers like me. I started to feel bad. Then to American. That's how I found this site in my searches. Eventually. I love Ted's well mannered and well thought out mediations. 70s. With hopeful eyes he asked "How can I make a game like Warcraft?" He looks up to me as knowledgeable. I came across cats. but not as good after that. Acquired skill sets are a unique tool. He had his home computer hooked up. I would see this young man every couple of weeks. based on a limited skill set. recast. multiple skill sets required. acquired skill sets. I was speechless. then extracted. others have not. 60s. it might never end. I was asked the last question several months ago by a young 14 year old boy. but I didn't have the time to teach. I figured if I opened this can of worms. I have never spent this much time reading a forum. and. . The alchemists were great. reports of thefts. pre-cors also have value. Which. to his credit. The basic frustration of not JUST BEING TOLD HOW. they were getting more insightful. who is the son of one of my clients. he couldn't sit at a computer and even start. Some people have taken the time to acquire them. Did you know that the Nobel peace prizes for two Danes were dissolved in Aqua Regia. Not ever in recent memory. even amongst all this great information. even 90s are good. Somewhere in the mix of gold extraction. based on brute force or labor. and my work was done. The barrage of questions never ended. What? Catalytic Converters? This of course led me to junkyards. based on sales and networking. automotive sites. People who earn. or based prior family success just don't seem understand this. Foreign. (spring break. The son was there. or just have. He reminded me of myself when I was his age. understand this. so the Nazis wouldn't steal them. a few weeks ago. You can't ask the questions: How do I trade futures? How do I open a bank? How do I transplant a heart? How do I program a computer? etc. I found myself at the client's office at 3 pm on a Saturday. is an understood human condition. after markets no good. People whose work is repetitive. graphic and sound files.
His father said he hasn't left the computer since! I'm sure we'll have another session. This would be at the end of what would have become an . that is often considered the ceremonial start of every programmer's career. I had some time. and trailed off the screen. and set up a table in the driveway. that gives the human motivation to develop skill. The Pt is the reward. I would venture outside and try to extract from a core. I never touched the keyboard. whether you actually end up with enough to be profitable is almost moot. is to buy them right. that when pushed prints "Hello World!". watching. etc. I would then humble myself. moving around the screen at the command of the arrow keys. I started him off with a one-button form. This is not a discipline that will net you profit in the short term. The only casualty is that Dad will probably have to buy the full version of Visual Studio. If you've got a hundred or so. Goldwave (for sound). contributing. is far more valuable. so I sat down. of less than 1 gram of Pt. I don't necessarily want you to tell. socializing.). contact a refiner. maybe a good vise.and he had to go into the office with his dad everyday. end up with something I don't know what to do with. bowls. you should have seen the look on this kid's face. and I can't wait to see what he's come up with. There was a small laser sound that the kid made into the microphone below the monitor. That is the most profitable position in the supply chain that you can put yourself in with the lowest risk and knowledge. I would fail miserably. We downloaded Paint Shop Pro. read some more. and a trial copy of Visual Studio. 1 to 3 weekends a month. The skill acquired if actually successful. recorded with Goldwave and incorporated into Visual Studio. maybe make a few posts. My conclusion from today is that the best method of profiting from cats. it is the enticement of reward. but a small price to pay when put in perspective. I imagine I can figure this out with experimentation. I taught. Even the academic license is over $300. a couple higher grade saw blades. I'd probably be able to extract a small globule. and collect the honeycomb/beads. upset the girlfriend. As with my friend above. from the last position of the image. I'd rather spend a couple weekends learning. After three to six months. and the true point of the journey. that was played when the bullet fired. Guys and Gals. real estate is tough right now). I might spend a couple hundred on buckets. strip the core yourself (I am a fairly well acquainted with light contracting and auto repair. etc. do some more searches. It's like a small bank account. Three hours later he had a still picture of a little man. a few scrapes on my knuckles and forearms. Just keep them for a minute. For those that aren't acquainted. if only you were local. To those of you here that have such skills. acids. I just might buy a couple books on hydro-metallugry. It felt great. pick up an old kitchen hood for sure. He did it all. and maybe finishing up with beers and pizzas. filters. After reading for a couple of weekends. In the meantime. and a small bullet that fired when the space bar was pushed.
and creates responsibility. permanent endeavor. SKILL. Kentucky April 6. Where can I have it sent for processing. By being patient. gold filled jewelry. attentive. At that point. But. You can't cheapen the knowledge acquired by great scientists. That's how acquired skill works. but I really hope you include this.EUREKA!!!! It would feel great! I'd be damn proud of my little gram of Pt! I'd step up my efforts. I would have a reasonable set of beginner hydro-metallurgy skills. In the end. "Give me a chopper pilot program Tank!" But trust me. I will have acquired some very valuable. the amount recovered might justify my streamlined process. the difference wouldn't justify the TOTAL labor. I would be able to justify the labor and materials required for the profit. We only have time for so many. the learning tempers the spirit. combs. hard workers. and EXPERIENCE.San Jose. etc. programming. Ross Lerner . Perhaps one day the Matrix programming disks will be available..eight to fifteen step tedious. acquired skill. and is there a typical amount expected (1 Honda. just to use it in a weekend to make a buck. Ted. I have attempted to address a theme that is central to this thread. the man will make himself wealthy. time-consuming process. gold plated jewelry. unless I chose this as a new. and people! I know small office computers. I'd spend even more time on this. computer boards. you have to put in the time. and very satisfying KNOWLEDGE. It's not that people don't want to tell you.. S. read more. After another three to six months. It is quite the reverse. I think I'll find that if I just sold my cores I would have made enough money. it's just that it doesn't work that way. and patient men. The old man knows gold and jewelry. But.. Jason Jegge buyer . deliberate. No matter what. It would be able to consistently extract metal from beads. (or woman) PLENTY of wonderful women in science. to train the mind. time and materials. There is just as much joy in And more importantly. it won't be as much fun.. 2 Lexus LS400). I know you have a position against ad hominem posts. and acquiring skill over time.Louisville. It has to be acquired. six to nine months total. 2009 I have honeycomb material from several used converters. Some of the people on this forum know metallurgy. over time. I hope I have accomplished my goal. California . try more variations. and networking.
2009 Hello and here's my 2 cents (which if smelted or melted or schmelted is not as much as two cents from a century ago but I digress) . 2009 I have found the perfect. Colombia April 30. Get the neighborhood kids over to the house and tell them the cat is a pinada. Virginia May 5. but also and just as important is the freedom of information point I'd like to share. After many months of experimenting with acids I have finally recovered some gold from electronic scrap.Barranquilla. Once the cat has been ruptured tell them to pick up all the metal that falls out and place in the bucket for recovery. I wonder how expensive will it be. Alonso Borrero hobbyist . thanks bec becky wilhelm car business .I was actually looking up information for symptoms of a clogged catalytic converter (cc) & since I usu. Best to all Bob Bayle government . 2009 Hi.Springfield. dissolve with sulfuric acid and the precious metals will be left behind.April 18. which after page one I was hoping the pages wouldn't go too fast but now I have to get back to my original task of troubleshooting my car but have been sucked into this post this is to me a microcosm of everything people have been discussing since Plato and beyond. Provide each kid with a steel bar and have them take turns beating on the cat. you should smelt the whole "catcon" in an electric arc-furnace with scrap steel. granulate the new alloy. If they are disappointed that there was no candy tell then the next Cat you are going to hang has the candy. reasonably cheap means to extract the Precious Metals from the Cat. maybe I've been breathing too many cc fumes but it is close and has a lot of the elements. I see it basically at present like this: if looking in the long term no ones goals really contradict unless they are destructive what I mean is that if you are a small business person (who I admire) you might want to have your work trademarked. After reading this though I have a real practical question. Repeat these steps until all precious metals have been retrieved. Will it be possible to recover pgm's from catalytic converters? I've read that. 2009 i have read all of the forums but I have yet to understand where do you sell them !!!! i live in NC and i am still trying to understand who do i sell to a refinery or a recycler. to have your own arc-furnace? Can this be done in your backyard? Thank you.newton North Carolina May 13. patented or copyrighted etc for a time being to enjoy the fruits of your labor and opt . Atlantico. look pretty thoroughly I eventually found a site that says one probably could sell the cc if replacing so then I decided to look up selling cc and found this. If you have a yard with a tree cast a rope around a heavy branch and tie up the cat.
it's laid out pretty straightforward here.Sarasota.and a lot of people have shared a lot of information.. Florida July 10. what are you going to do . Think of it this . have been a little knowledge hungry and may bite the hand that feeds however most are not. but you go into buying some of the materials. in their own way and it is informative I mean I don't expect anyone to actually hand me a free cc now.. and another example goes to taking off the posts which displayed what cars have better value for their cc so they are not as much of victims.I understand that. Thomas Key . Some . and tools used for separating metals.it would be basic 6th grade or 3rd grade science and we'd probably be exploring for platinum on other star systems because if the new learner always got to learn from all the mistakes from the teacher (I'll say) then their time could be cut and they would have new mistakes not yet made to learn from and so on. I must add. also the other side of the coin (I did say my two cents lol) if people from a young age and all through history shared information and it was accessible to everyone we may not even be having this discussion . 2009 My brother-in-law works in such a refinery.full free information always (in the long term maybe not the short) has unanimous good results and do not contradict each other that is why a country like the USA has prospered and why secretive ones stay stagnant and dark but I am looking at things in decades not days .we have to expose the weaknesses so we can brainstorm not hide them. converters have came up in conversation. From what I've read I think that using a HHO gas torch may be a good way to get those high temperatures in a safe way what does anyone think? You can look up easily HHO torches they get really hot and cool really fast and they are real just like oxy or butane the flame itself is only 259 F but when in contact with other metals can get up to 10.lead by example like Ted . just look at the examples of software and computer viruses etc open source is a good thing and hiding information is actually more destructive and is only a mirage of safety which is actually more destructive. and he claims that for the trouble it is worth.not a lot. also I may be a good golfer and share secrets but you'll still never get it till you practice anyways so I would really have no fear in sharing those but I guess we can all agree to disagree and any experience with HHO gas torches to extract metals. it looks like a ghetto factory. If you have ever seen this mans garage. All that said I do understand the market and patents etc so it is up to the individual of course and information cannot be forced to be shared and people should have incentive however we all could be driving hydro cars and be energy independent and have other newer and unknown issues yet to be discovered if we were more long term seers. unless you have the equipment to do around 1200 converters at one time it is not worth it. chemically or by heat you are looking into getting into a lot of money. Ted you are doing a good job and I also have enjoyed your thoughtful approach. Most people would not know it.000 degrees and more. well they might be the ones who might be more interested so they would know they might be more of a victim Taking that post down I think is just conceding to that fear in the back of our minds of trying to please everybody . and I have to hand it to you guys. Anyway. There is a not so intelligent person who works with said family member who has been able to refine and extract such metals. and the money they make is also going to the benefit of the economy and who knows potentially but it does require the teacher to be an anode to the cathode but they wouldn't mind so much if they also got to learn from others that made their steps easier and like I said it in the long run I think is always better. you would know it if you seen it.
especially with no knowledge. And I am sure you 3 know who you are. We joked about it at his house over a few " select beverages ". No knowledge required. The trouble that our friend had was that there is no one who is respectively going to buy said metals from a person. Not all metals work that way. amphetamines. some of this stuff can get dangerous. If it was so cost effective to do it in such small amounts. your going to have even more tied up into it it when someone finds out what your doing because of the danger that your putting other stuff in. and it seems like everyone that was there at the time came to the same conclusion. . The weekend after that you will most likely end up with your substance in pure form.1500 degrees would not just turn these metals directly to liquid? These are not lead fishing weights people. North Carolina July 13.000 dollars for the basic materials and equipment. You spent one weekend looking up the terms and chemicals and understanding the process. at this point your just wanting a grown child's chem lab in your back yard. right? I am now moving on to find the Candlestick TNT blog I was speaking of earlier. Joel Langford . possibly even everyone around you. who not only does not know what they have. So far on this whole thread I think I have only seen about 3 people that remotely know what they are talking about. but also would not be a constant resource for them to rely on for buying said materials. These were step by step instructions and I guess that the chemistry and knowledge involved is way more complicated than purifying metals out of catalysts. do you really think that exhaust at like 900 . 2009 There used to be instructions online spanning over several pages on how to synthesize illicit drugs.way. anyone could do it with enough effort. then be our guest you already have enough money to not really need to extract the precious metals. and techniques used to extract said metals would not really be cost effective unless you had a bunch of them to do at one time ( kind of hints to why they have giant refinery places to do such things ). ever seen a clogged converter? They get red hot under a car.. it would seem that every town would have 15 or so of the places. and I know a clown walking across a yard with a stick swearing there is water under a patch of dry sand when I see one.. not to mention that you have to have a safe place to set up said refinery. maybe around 1. MDMA. the correct value of what they have. the other weekend you will be preparing and organizing the equipment and the most difficult part will be to actually obtain the chemicals. DO NOT try using chemicals that you don't understand. we will say 15. If smelting in a pot would separate the metals.Fayetteville. etc. you can see them especially good at night.. I am only a 29 year old Well Driller. Please use your head for something more then a hat rack people.. if you really think you have all of the money to get into something like this from a dead start. no qualification.. Next thing I know I am going to see one of the names from this thread swearing they can make sticks of TNT from a candle and gunpowder with chewing gum.. Please for your safety and the those around you.. Don't seem to much harder then flipping a burger. LSD.000 payout for your customers that you will be having to buy said converters from. Around my area everyone swears to the idea that you can use a smelting pot to separate the metals in a converter.
Tennessee July 13. a straight and simple instruction would devalue the skills and knowledge required to write it. 2009 I was going to ask a simple question about the CONTENT of precious metals in "cats". I simply want to thank you for your patience and learned knowledge. Tim Mooney Timothy Mooney .Berlin. when I could. My only problem is a lot of the honeycomb broke in pieces as fine as the platinum flakes. Iowa ---Ed..Earlham.. It's somewhat a pity. 2009 I have a machine that extracts the pgm's from catalytic converters and it is not the easiest to do It takes a lot of time a nice facility to work in but if you seen the machine you would laugh and call me a liar. with the right combination of chemicals and temperature the pgms get get pulled out onto carbon plates. Andreas Borchert . please tell us what the right temperature and combination of chemicals is. and whether or not it would be possible to render the ceramics containing these metals into a powder form to use as a mix in a firing glaze for pottery.. If you are trying to sell this knowledge. I have ground my own pigments for my paints for forty years.The problem will never be to actually do it.Murfreesboro.). Germany July 13. The honeycomb had to be cracked to come out but it came out with the platinum flakes. grinder.. Other than taking a tweezer to it is there any other way to separate it? Terrance Miller . and am only now venturing into the new world of three-dimensional earthen-ware art. the site's supporting advertisers must be running out of patience being asked to pay the costs of posting other people's ads :-) July 16. that first sculpture. 2009 I put a hole in a catalytic converter I found while picking up trash(honestly).. kiln and iron pot shall suffice.. . please take an advertisement . its just PVC tubs and clear 3/4 inch hose with a battery charger [link is to product info at Amazon] and a small pump. . It will be an interesting experiment.. As said before. Ross Lerner's wonderful contribution. note: If you do not consider it secret knowledge. every word. and S.Talbott. But after reading the entire post (yes. really. Dustin B . My hammer. but how to get there. Dustin. Tennessee ..
Just collect Cl gas at one end and H gas at the other (cathode or anode. I was also looking into the possibility of making my own chemicals when reaching a large scale operation. I would put it in a furnace for melting metals and I would leave it in there until all the platinum has melted off and dripped into a place where it could collect. If in case the platinum is infused or trapped in the other materials of the cat. California July 30. This is theoretical though. then I would pulverize . 2009--"Pyro-metallurgy is not the way for the small operator to go. mix with a small amount of water (in a glass container of course) and you should get it at the 37% concentration.I am kind of stuck because i am not sure what price is good for each catalytic converter. HCl is relatively easy to make by electrolysis of Salt water. Indiana August 14. HNO3 is harder to manufacture though. My question is: How is the price of converters defined? I would appreciate any help.. I forget). 2009 This is what I would do. Do you oxidize and dissolve the metal and then reduce it somehow and collect it that way. Hydro-metallurgy is". I received a follow-up phone call and I just told them that I was using the chemicals to extract platinum from catalytic converters. 2009 I'm interested in recycling catalytic converters. New York August 3.July 28.Bloomington. Steven Smith . Those 3 should cover the aqua regia. Makes sense!!! Hey what are the other safer oxidizing agents you are talking about.. Are there any other solvents able to dissolve these noble metals? Also. what is the process of extracting platinum from catalytic converters that have been discussed thus far. or do you just melt it down? What seems best? February 5. Eljon Ago hobbyist . I checked Wikipedia and it's a 3 step process.New York. God bless. 2009 So. gold and platinum can be dissolved in aqua regia.Red Bluff. Castor Marconi . 2009 Ordering the chemicals is not so difficult.
Now for the scrap value. and listen to Ted. California September 3. Simple. All you guys just take a tip from me. These catalytic converters contain little to no precious metals. The amount of . figure that out then ask the questions. When a car is sold new it must pass omission regulations set by the government. 2009 I was in scrap metal recycling/reclamation years ago as a family business in the UK and cats were not around then but I know from experience how costly it is to extract these metals. i must say that some people just lack common sense. right? Find out if there are any laws to abide by in melting it. Now lets look at the vehicle. Now a new truck sells for around $35.Hastings. Now look at rhodium that melts at 3567 F and Platinum somewhere around 3215 F... I would guess people on here want a list of vehicles so they can go out tonight with a hack saw. 2009 After reading some of the responses on the site. The value is determined by how much the cat would usually contain. a large US made truck with a 6L engine will emit more o2 into the atmosphere than a small Honda with a 1.. its AFTERMARKET. Cats do contain a few precious metals as we have learned here. ZenTed as I will call him! I have never been so deeply engrossed with a forum in the 12 years I have been with internet! I gave up metals in the 1980s to follow my other preoccupation of music composition. aftermarket converters are not regulated. I think it highly unlikely that a torch would melt any of these materials. happy reclamations xxx Brett Ross .Sac.the material first to allow the platinum to melt freely into a high heat resistant container. As Ted stated a few months back. Ray Soriano .000+ so at that price a manufacturer can afford to spend a little money to manufacture a cat that will last and be efficient. Bretto from the Ghetto. I feel there a few people here that lack the understanding of how a cat works and why.6 L and the cat will need to refine the exhausted fumes in larger portion. Just heat will not suffice for the separation of materials. It all gets melted.. Maybe you might have to comply to laws about not releasing fumes into the atmosphere or something. Over time the metals do come out of the exhaust and onto the road... I think that it doesn't take any more than a little commons sense to get the platinum. UK September 15. Top marks to Ted for keeping this forum on a level footing. Steel and ceramic have a much lower melting point. why can we buy a cat for $60 when they are worth more. and only recently have started looking at metal prices again.
Virginia September 19. I have an 02 Silverado and it has 2 cats rather than the 1 cat in older vehicles.ebay) 2)1 part biscuit(wt) 1 part HNO3 (vol) 3 parts HCL (vol) 3)Room temp 3 to 7 days until max colour in AR and biscuit white. Another thing to think about is now scrap dealers want a title to the vehicle it came off of and an ID before they will buy a converter. Rh) from catalytic converters. The reason for the theft is because its a high and easy return and low risk. they are light weight and untraceable.. it is illegal to sell a used cat. Its no secret that older GM cats (about the size of a muffler) can get you top dollar at a scrap dealer. Crawling under a vehicle. Pt. This isn't a lucrative business and more for the person who lives off $100 a week. Nathan Bastings .precious metals is very little and whoever on here said there is as much as 2 oz of metal needs to show me those cats! at somewhere around $1800 an ounce scrap. This means that my 2 cats contain less metals together than 1 of the older and larger ones. Hope this helps to enlighten some of the "lets get rich quick" people on here and shows its not smart to try to steal them. The older trucks did not have 02 sensors so the first thing a truck owner did for a modification was remove the cat that restricted airflow. Why?? more power and better fuel economy (and it makes it louder too!). Top dollar is around $100 .Norfolk.. Everyone has to make a profit in the process so you will never get the $3600 out of it unless you have the pure metal in your hand. Cats contain a FRACTION OF AN OUNCE of precious metals which lightly coats its ceramic contents (honeycomb or beads). the 2 oz cat would probably net you $800 at a scrap yard.Use ceramic bakery bowl . you can spend an hour under there without the risk of getting noticed. Before we all rush out and start hacking cats off our neighborhood cars. The you will find that most of the older GM trucks have the cat removed already and a straight pipe in place.$150. 1) Roast ground biscuit at 500 C in old kiln ($100 US . Oh and o2 sensors contain the precious metals as well!! But you need about 50 pounds of them to make a reasonable amount of money off of them. scrap dealers and "car guys" have known cats are worth something so why is this so new to everyone else? And for the idiot on here that said he wanted to resell them. It is also illegal to sell a vehicle without a cat and most of the time a dealer wont take a trade on one without it. a sawzall will get it done quickly but is VERY noisy. it takes a good half hour. an AFTERMARKET cat will get you a whopping $2-$5!! Ford usually $40-$60 and Dodge around $30-$60. Then you take your cats to a dealer and its quick cash. 2009 Easy Peasy Tame Aqua regia extraction of PGM blacks (Pd. think of the effort involved! Have you ever tried to crawl under a car with a hack saw and cut the 3" steel pipe? It doesn't take minutes.
you need to know your cats. stir until evolution of H2 ceases and then leave over night. made in china. Stir 2X daily ceramic spoon (ebay $6 US) 4)Stir in urea to neutralize HNO3 (until fizzing stops) 5) Pour all in 20l tall narrow plastic pail & make up to 121 approx with rain water.5 US. Note 4. Huge volumes of very toxic gas are released which strip all leaves off nearby vegetation and will kill nearby caged animals. Note 2. 13) Wash twice and decant with rain water. I decan cat cons within 10 min. Stir ceramic spoon.Pestal a 51/2 foot 1 inch dia iron rod welded to a 81/2 inch long 21/2 inch dia iron rod . Note 5.Using a long stout screw driver & hammer as lever & chisel I can quickly break biscuit up and empty out the pieces. many high mileage cats only contain a gram of PGM blacks.local discount shop $2. Step 3 can be carried out in a crock pot at simmer temp over 4 .wt 19 lb. 15) A number of extraction can be carried out simultaneously. Continue to stir off & on for a further 30 min. carefully pour off excess water.30 min. No fumes released. cons. It only takes 10 min to grind in my mortar & pestal. from local hardware store $12 US for card of 3) . Gold requires AR for dissolution but nanoparticles will dissolve in 2N HCL (Papers by Dr. 16) Find a precious metal dealer who will buy PGM blacks. Note 3. New Zealand Addendum to Easy Peasy AR method PGM blacks are weakly paramagnetic.Mortar 13 inch dia pipe 12 inch high welded onto a square iron base. Bob Keen . 6) Leave over night for sediment to settle 7) Decant into 20l plastic bucket. 14)Transfer small beaker. Note 6. I drill a dozen or so holes with a 12 mm x 400 mm masonry drill (made in China.5 approx with soda ash (Na2CO3)( little pH meter off ebay $20 US) 9) Add Zinc Pdr ( from ebay).Leave overnight and a lot of excess Zn will dissolve. It is not a rag to riches method of making money.Palmerston Nth.5 h. ebay refers to New Zealands Trademe which is virtually equivalent. Best of luck to those that try this method. 11) Decant and transfer PGM blacks plus some Zn to 2 l beaker (ebay $10 US approx) 12)Add 1 liter 2N HCL. I find the the PGM blacks can be more rapidly settled onto the bottom of .dry in oven. Wash residue with more water & decant when clear into following batch. 10)Acidify to pH 1. 8)Neutralise to pH 2. Note 1.If a blockage I ram through the handle of my 19 lb pestal which clears the blockage instantly. Cover glass plate. Bob Keen Retired Principal Scientist(NZDRI) Palmerston Nth New Zealand. Chris Anderson Massey University NZ) therefore it is not unreasonable to find that AR will dissolve the PGM nanoparticles in cat.its like drilling into butter.5 approx or until orange brown ppt dissolves leaving a black sediment. 3 rounded teaspoons (1 kg biscuit originally used)added slowly with stirring over 15 . I currently get paid $60 NZ after a $150 NZ analysis is carried out in Hong Kong.121 vol.
the plastic pails and beakers by placing a very strong. diversify. After some profit. Steve Cerny .... and for some. fumes. but it could be small scale and a small investment.once i got through i found a strange honey comb and a paper like substance that was full of tiny pieces of platinum.i extract the platinum for making jewelry. and hook them up to a controller/battery/solar panel? I know there would still be chemicals. Just my 4:01 AM thoughts after reading these 4 pages. Maybe a contribution. james carlon ... 2009 is there a way i can "cook" the platinum out at home and how hot would the heat have to be. new/better equipment the backyard scrap dealer could expand. like • Control of electrolyte formulation and pH (a measure of acidity or alkalinity) • Control of electrical conditions • Control of temperature And a bunch of warnings like "don't drink the electrolyte".. medical (things). large ceramic magnet under the bottom of the holding vessel. even small (or large) pure Platinum cathodes.. I bought a very large ceramic magnet off ebay for $8.. At the risk of sounding stupid (and not wanting to start a new thread). 2009 getting platinum is so easy. a Copper anode (I guess). Of course.all i did was use a saw to cut through the metal. AND pass an IQ test. jewelry.00 US.. the chance of blowing yourself up. 2009 Very interesting! Took a while to read. Oklahoma October 13.. it would have to have all the "secrets". "don't touch the electrode thingys to your tongue to see if the battery still has a charge". I never bought it. and make more of a profit by producing electroplated auto. add a (small) pure Platinum cathode..so i gathered all the material and got a 5 gal bucket and put a window screen over it and placed the material on the . North Carolina September 27... airplane.... I've always wondered about this. would it be easier to dump the beads/flakes into a gallon glass jar of electrolyte. September 24. and available to those who make a contribution to the site.Oklahoma City. but I'm finally at the end. etc. and now it's hard to find. uh.hillsborough. some knowledge. Great site! "I'll be back". The how-to with photos and directions could be put into a PDF file.. There used to be a book from Lindsey's by Carr (I think). Or stay small.
so I am unfamiliar with the beads I hear of today. Andrew Gould .. So whatever stuff you found that was elsewhere but not in the .. hi. Mark. 2009 Hi.then i let the water settle and allowed the sift to fall to the bottom..and used a garden hose to wash the paper and platinum off the honey comb... I was involved in building the machinery for a catalytic convertor factory.. Many years ago (1981).......i collected it and used a torch to burn the paper away now I'm not sure what the paper is so i wore a mask to protect myself i suggest u do the same..mudgee Australia nsw October 27..screen over the bucket. 2009 hey guys u don't have 2 be a genius to get the platinum out of the catalytic converters i wanted my car loud so i decided 2 punch the ceramic honey comb out of the converter using a hammer and a flat blade screw driver go 2 town on it then i found the platinum in a cloth like material get rid of the honey comb no platinum in that keep the cloth i used a fly screen n a container using water i sifted it in a container like a gold panner would have fun any 1 can do i got heaps of platinum :) mark horizon .anyway I've done this process many times with success...but the only problem is that since i wanted to melt the platinum down for making jewelry i had to obviously melt it....i had to use a cutting or also known as a blow torch used for melting steel to do it..it took like 20 min to get all the water out..now i had a dry powder with the metal..but u can buy them for a couple hundred bucks or find someone who has one.but the paper still held some moisture so i just set the bucket in the sun and let it dry it the rest of the way.so it takes about 3..so once i turned the paper to ashes i simply used my breath to blow the ashes away.... Andrew.000 degrees to melt.... and I can't comment on whether the beads contain precious metals or not....... and spent a fair amount of time there..leaving only tiny pieces of platinum left.....once it did i just slowly poured the water out of the bucket but once the water level got too low that the metal and stuff wanted to pour out too all i did was take a cloth rag and used it to absorb the water... In those days they did not use any "beads".not many people have a cutting torch in trier garage..now here is the hard part.and u cant just use a pencil torch to melt it. But in those days the ceramic honeycombs and only the honeycombs were dipped into the precious metal slurry.i don't know why people want to make it some big secret.and discarded the honey comb.but platinum has a high tolerance for heat.kannapolis NC cabarrus county October 27.
. have a good day Michael kelly . I've developed a safe device that will greatly concentrate any mineral matrix containing PGMS. and will have to be able to measure your efforts and not just wonder if it's working or not.com Brick. a few of you might want to be very afraid of this stuff.. New Jersey November 11. that's 40 to 200 $ in platinum alone at full value. figure out how you're going to deal with fumes.. and from what I have seen here.Oops letting my opinions show.E.) . not good enough for you. waste and byproducts. want to go farther? with each step of the process you are concentrating. finishing.. the rest of you .. not bombs. My advice to every one is read every thing. North Carolina November 20.. iron... and can now sell your ceramic containing PGMS at a much higher price.. ( no not telling) you're all here to learn about cats. there are dangers with this. I use air. they have plenty of experts there that can help most of you do this as a hobby scale project..honeycomb doesn't sound like the precious metals to me :-) Those 'heaps of platinum' may be piles of soot :-( Regards. 2009 is the platinum and palladium in the honeycomb or is it the dust and charcoal like substance that comes out of convertor when you extract inside contents of the convertor thanks a lot. P. you can then get a professional assay and try to sell to a mine or mill that is currently dealing with platinum.aurora Colorado .sneads ferry. Ted Mooney. if you mix the wrong 2 things you will get a high explosive that's unstable. (its not any harder than making a gas oil mix for the chainsaw. good luck BRYAN BRYAN SMITH . water and a few biodegradable chems and naturals. 2009 after a lot of reading in other places pt per cat runs about 1 to 5 grams each. plastic. I done some electronic scrap and there are some things you will need to be careful with. today's prices. Michael. what... just removing the case is concentrating the values (PGMS) You have removed about 5 to 10 lbs of Iron. do the research. for very detailed info look up the (gold refiners forum) on line. start collecting all items with pgms . like copper.
You NEED to do the assay or you will not have any idea when to stop the extraction process. my friend went to the hospital and had to have stitches. which caused so much smoke all we could do was run.The ball assay will tell you how much pgm to expect per pound of comb. the next step is to remove as much carbon as possible from the material by heating to RED hot then blowing oxygen on the material before it cools. as are ford and Chrysler. Aftermarkets are junk. which burned through.November 28. josh slocomb . And the undercutting goes on and on until there's no profit left. Tom Jamison . New Mexico . Lets say I'm in the coat business and I get a wicked buy on coats at $10 per. You are now ready to do an assay on the material to get an idea as to how much pgm you can expect from your batch (30 cats is a pretty good batch) To do a ball assay you need a small furnace some crucibles etc. we shouldn't have ever done this kind of thing. Cats have different amounts of pgm's depending on the manufacturer. I'm not going to write the rest of the process nor will anyone who knows how to do it and I'll tell you why. There are ways to extract that are so safe you don't even need a mask and then there are ways that are so dangerous that it's like being in a gas chamber. 2009 TO BREAK DOWN A CATALYTIC CONVERTOR YOU FIRST TAKE THE COMBING AND BREAK IT DOWN IN SULFURIC ACID THE PLATINUM WILL SETTLE TO THE BOTTOM SHAKE A FEW TIMES WHEN DISSOLVED AND LET SETTLE THEN YOU HEAT THEN A MIXTURE OF MURIATIC ACID AND HYDROCHLORIC ACID MIXED TO EAT THE BASE METALS AND LEAVE THE PLATINUM ONLY THE MELT CAST AND SERVE DEREM MCCOLLUM . 2009 The first step in the process is to remove the comb. it started smoking very quick and then popped really loudly.All Asians.Anaheim. we brought a hose in and sprayed.deming.MONROE LOUISIANA December 2. I look around at my competitors and they're selling the same coat for $50 per. and he has a scar on his face now. don't even try them. 2009 well me and my friends went out and got some Cats. try not to get any metal filings into the comb material. and euro(except VW) have hi pgm content. We then tried to extract the metals by using the crucible method that was written on here. So what do I do? I can sell my coats for $50 and take a portion of his sales or undercut his price and sell more but make less profit. GM. Do not crush the comb up just chunk it into inch or so pieces. California November 28. little drops of fire went all over the garage and my friend caught one on the side of his face. the garage set on fire.
Nobody wants you to know for a real good reason (MONEY) I witnessed a man sell a few hundred mixed converters for $16. The answer to some of your questions. 2009 I'm now in the cat buying game. The History channel recently had a program on acids. 2009 My advice to all of you that have old Catalytic Converters.S.000. I buy low and sell high.December 5. December 21. I tried to convince him not to sell. that's $10.S thing .5 .I.00. is to hold on to them. Yep I know that was stupid. I have been researching this for a long time.5x50= $375 minus the cost of shipping.. if you don't then be sure to keep the ceramic honey comb in the can and sell them for more than you bought them for.2 pounds of ceramic honey comb in it and that sells for $7.5 each now subtract gas for your car time to remove it from the host car. removal of the the iron shells would make the 50 pound box not such a bad thing. and shipping.. it is the K.000. They are worth a lot more than buyers make out that they are. and the cost of the 40 cats was 4x40=$160 don't forget to recycle the iron maybe about $10 experience says it takes 1 hr to go to some place to get a cat and get back home 40 cats =40 hrs 374 divided by 40 is $9. making a after market cat worth $8.000 If you have that much cash you can do the math and will know what to do next.. In my calculation what he sold brought someone down the line in the neighborhood of $60. If you do the refining hoping to . I suggest we pool our collection.sdsmt.edu/sdsmt/SiteID=199458 Dennis King .000 to 15. make your price list 30% less than what you can sell them for and you may make 30%. On that program they told that a 55 gal barrel with app 400 lbs of catalysts would net $24.Ararat. Buy low and sell high you will do fine .000. used to recover platinum from spent catalyst. I have found it to be one of the best kept trade secrets. note: that website is not loading for us. I am not attempting to concentrate any thing from the cats I collect. One of the acids was Aqua Regia.37 an hr the real trick is getting the 40 cats. sdmines.You make $4.5 a pound. and buy from any one that wants to sell a cat. Buyers deal in small numbers so as to sell in large numbers. and what they were used for. but no he sold them anyway.. if you can get 40 of the after market cats . Knowing what I know I tried to tell him they were worth much much more than that.00 in platinum.00. After saying all that don't do this with any other cats unless you can get 200 to 300 cats at an average price of $50 each. Virginia ---Ed. how ever since an aftermarket cat goes for $4 and it has 1. I can sell to any one that wants to buy a cat. you can ship 50 pounds in a prepay box and get the 7. That way we can cut out the middle man.
(see gold refiners index . the amount of metallic values in a cat wildly varies. and have been doing so for 2 weeks I now own 15 of them.gain remember your platinum will likely not be pure enough to get full price and even if it is the jeweler and ore refiner you sell it to is going to want a 10% to 30% cut off the top. thanks December 23. your can with acids leach the three pgms out of the core ceramic..Glovertown NL Canada asked the same question which I have been wondering also which was never answered. Has anyone had any experience with the ishor system http://www.To extract the inside simply open the plug most if not all have a plug that can be taken out to extract the materials pat mazzillo .Arundel. (you may change your mind and want to sell them whole) 5 learn how to spot an after market cat (the guy selling you the cat has no clue what the previous owner did to the host car) this one cost me $70 on my very first buy! 6 cut all your buying prices buy 5$ 7 add $5 your buying price for each cat you don't have to cut from under the host car. 2009 I have worked in a place that took in catalytic converters what we would do is open the plug dump everything out into 55 gallon drum we would fill 10 -12 of these things then bring them to Texas they paid us about 8 .8 lbs.aurora Colorado a correction its perfectly legal to sell a used catalytic converter.. refiners will want 50 to 200 pounds of cat cores and will take 30 to 10% for there fee.. I would let the refiners earn there 10% and you should concentrate on volume. it just a side job for me at this time.. (its worth it) and the seller loves the fact that he can add $5 to the sale. I buy catalytic converters. One company will pay 7$ a pound for your cores . Maine January 17.com/refining.com). for prices look at cats direct 1st American core north eastern core buyers fairless core dyna converter integrity rules 1 buy low sell high 2 don't buy any thing today you cant sell tomorrow (inventory is expensive and makes you zip) 3 decan only if you've got 100s 4 don't decan after market cats till you get 40 of them.htm ..11 thousand dollars its got platinum in them. the average cat has 2. . (see Ebay) its not legal to put a used cat on any car!. that means the very least a cat core will have in pmgs is 7$ a pound. whole cat buyers on the internet will pay from 4 to $165 each.shorinternational. 2010 Glenn Burry. see rule 6! catching on yet? bryan smith . see rule 6.
Ted Mooney. disguised as satisfied customers. rip the things open and pour it into containers you can ship. I have been looking at this system for many years so any comment would be greatly appreciated. 2010 Hi.Mounds. Actually. New Jersey . P. So I would elect doing it the the guys in Texas. Ted Mooney. Bill N . Mike.Marvell. are a mite smarter than the idiots in New Jersey and other eastern states. P. How do I know I'm not getting ripped when I sell one? But I'm sure as hell not going to sell it to Ted in Jersey.com Brick. Although this is my website. finishing. and am not qualified to comment on how well this commercial device works (never even seen it).com Brick. No one has answered which specific converters are worth more than the others. Arkansas June 2010 Hi. so I am certainly not in a position to be involved anywhere in the sale or purchase of this stuff? -. Michael Rowland . and also just the plain effectiveness with gold plated scrap. "But I'm sure as hell not going to sell it to Ted in Jersey" Is that because I've repeatedly said that my only business is running this website.or because you got concerned about possible questions about the origin of your convertors after I mentioned that my son was a cop :-) Good luck and Regards. could profit from shilling :-) Regards.Can some of the professionals here (Ted?) please comment on whether or not this would work on granulated CAT honeycomb/beads. I'm not an expert on catalytic converter refining or gold recovery. and many more would if vendors. New Jersey January 21. Oklahoma January 21.E. Bill. Colorado and Oklahoma are doing it. finishing.E. 2010 It seems that us in Okla. we discourage testimonials to particular commercial products because some people already post here or attempt to post here with fictitious names. OK the process is way too complicated for person to do on his own.
often with long term contracts to keep their costs low.you can make a profit from knowing the product you are dealing with..Tampa. Each refiner employs economies of scale. new refiners enter the market.. Please remember: all the refiners compete with each other. You can go around to salvage yards and buy cats.. John Marks .... and it's pretty interesting. Clearly: THERE'S NO EASY MONEY TO BE MADE BY TRYING TO REFINE THE PRECIOUS METALS YOURSELF! So just give it up.. I just wanted to add that anyone who is Still thinking about ways to steal the converters..BE REALISTIC! As an example or two: If you want to profit. Florida March 11. if not actually funny. you will have to end up like the existing refiners to make a profit.learn the product specs..February 11. and if it were simple to do.... 2010 Hi All.. USA March 4... you could probably buy a kit for it at Ace Hardware.or do you think you are going to pick up a few cats..to get something meaningful out. and larger scale than most of you are thinking about. and not cheat. and get real.. and each ingot or batch of metal you produce will still have to be assayed at your expense. back off of Ted. They assay the metal efficiently. but your labor and production costs will be high.. buying acids and supplies in large bulk.think logically.. and become a broker for small yards that don't have the time to research the value of each model....but please don't hang on to the notion that you can spin straw into gold. I'm a pretty smart guy and I thought about it long and hard.. 2010 This blog/site whatever kicks ass! You rock dude.and smelting/refining is not a permitted use in any residential or agricultural zone I've ever heard of.. You get out what you put in.got to find some cat specs now!!!! PS: I'm NOT saying not to take a risk or consider a new venture. Matthew Fox . I've read a few pages of this thread.. 2010 Hey.. Ohio.... etc... How do you expect to make your costs lower than theirs? By dumping toxins in the trash? If you are highly competent..but perhaps think of it as all boiling down to return on investment. sure.for that matter. Something for nothing is a bogus way to live. If it gets too lucrative. He's the man. you have to put something substantial into it to make it work. Do you intend to do this industrial process in your garage? If you are going to be honest about it. and pay for permits and safety and disposal costs. Thank you! Off my soapbox I go.. learn which cats have what relative amounts of PGMs and buy and sell accordingly..all above board..... and my conclusion was that the only serious solution to this approach is to have .thanks again.. and poof.. or a table top model on eBay.. and even hedging those prices with futures contracts..turn them into COMEX quality ingots and high grade metals to sell to industry? I think many I've read on here are trying to get something for nothing.. and by being an accumulator/consolidator.. Someone did provide a three sentence answer on the 'how to' aspect. you can run the process.Columbus..
California March 12. insurance. Had to backtrack to an ad on our Craigslist. you will look like a ripe candidate to be made example out of in the judicial court. then be on your merry way before you could get caught... In fairness it could be said that the economy is now so bad that some may take up the trade to feed mouths. cut off the cat in one snap!.some kind of technology that jacks up the car. Those who read these words of wit. Enough said? Good to know this information though.. I can't believe I read the WHOLE thing. but inversely they would still be taking it out of another's mouth. offering a venue for people to get a little more for there junk vehicle before the salvage yard gets it---or there are still people out there willing to crawl under cars in the middle of the night to feed their habits (and people willing to pay them to do it). you have no business stealing chicken-sh-. Iowa USA March 26.Roll there words in little ceramic balls. someone offering to "buy" cats. Just knowing the process has put a more educated perspective on all of this thank you very much sir.etc.Cedar Rapids. paid license. my guess is theft of cats will also see a comeback as frustration grows.if you're that smart to build such a device.. I notice child abuse was up 12% here in IA last year. MY VOTE: 55 GALLON DRUM METHOD forget about anything beyond mechanical extraction. 2010 Wow. 2010 hey another way that i have found is to use something similar to the gold refining process if you use aqua regia aka nitric and hydrochloric acid mixed it will make clora platonic acid i believe is the name and then from there you can revert the acid back to pure platinum dust witch accumulates at the bottom as a dust you then filter and wash at the very least five times with warm or hot water you then have at least 99. or sold a dime bag of something to someone who wanted to get high. Don't steal. Got so involved I actually forgot how I got here.EAT THOSE LITTLE CERAMIC BALLS OF SLAG!!! Byron Wiese .. makes me want to stay on the computer and away from dangerous chemicals.. MY ANALYSIS: I'm thinking I'll stick to planting a garden in the spring and riding a bicycle---just hope nobody cuts my gut out looking for little ceramic balls of quicksilver. and using air-compressed or hydraulic cutters. This can be looked upon 2 ways---either the guy is legit. registration.car parts!. this economy is seething with unions of prison guards and people making 85 thousand dollars a year watching over 'criminals ' who got high. WORD OF WISDOM: Those who write about cats on these walls.Anaheim. not habits. Ok here's what I'm getting at--. Someone actually stealing from someone who worked hard for their nice car.. Eric Vincent web developer/ seeker of knowledge .9% pure platinum of course you must then use an induction heater to melt it down and the only one that i can think of is right now that is easy to build is ZVS circuit ( zero voltage/current switching) its easy to build but i dont know if it has the ability to get to platinum melting temps ..
is it takes a little bit of this and a little bit of that and a whole lot of other things to make it pure steel and what's involved in that process is like trying to put a Big Mac in a Happy meal. Or what! I look forward to visiting this site again in the future. or Google. Now I'm living in Wyoming and have a close friend that's in the auto salvage business and from time to time he has a gentleman come into buy his cats. everything else is buried under the spam. It can't be done.That is if they had a lot of them. Sorry but we simply can't be Craigslist or Ebay or Google -. Mike. 2010 Mr Mooney.john michael . I read all of the threads. Wow that's alot of money. I just happened to ask the man. As for some of the threads I read that some only had one or two. and it's largely because we don't let people benefit commercially from postings. Now knowing how to melt down steel. It's not that we are sworn to silence. How come! Is it because of like back then the golden rule of silence still applies and mums the word to this day. How to extract precious metals from cats. Now it's been some years gone by and now like then every one has kept the golden rule of silence. This public forum has managed to remain online for 16 years. that if one thinks that you can separate the metals with a torch like Oxyacetylene is like melting a tuna can with a Bic lighter. and I to have to agree with a lot of these threads.orange park Florida united states April 7.Rozet. Wyoming April 7. 2010 Hi. Meaning. Sincerely Mike Burt . Some had humor like. . for what I will get back that's a drop in the bucket so to speak. a rope and the neighborhood Kids and a couple steel pipes. Now that was funny. heavy melt meaning steel beams to the smelting plants in Indiana and in Illinois. He replied. But seriously. it's that as soon as we open a thread to commercial responses. I worked in the scrap metal business 10 years ago and from time to time hauled what is none as Frag. We could swamp the threads with spam overnight. Now I think back years ago about a salvage yard I'd work at and at that time we saved all cats in medium size container box's. When the buyer came by we unloaded the contents of the box's on the ground by sizes.. But I'm talking in large numbers. Some had more meaning than others. I too was doing a little research online about precious metals when I stumbled on to this site. That is in all these threads I read I did not once read as to where to take the spoils. I hope the next time I read these threads that some one might be kind hearted enough to say as to were one might be able to take there spoils to.000 dollars and that was for the contents of one container box of cats. or eBay. Before loading them on his truck. I once seen a check for $25. Please look on Craigslist. Like a tree in the back yard. Refinery if any.we don't have one thousandth of the necessary horsepower.
All i have to say. So theft isn't as much of an option. because i had all of my family heirlooms stolen from me and my handicap dad who lives with me. and for my age i would say i have seen a lot. THE LIST OF CARS! It would seem I'm limited in the aspect that people are too scared of losing profit or theft for advancement in human techno-evolution. not a mechanic or chemist. I was a marketer/sale's rep who traveled coast 2 coast. but in everything i have seen in life. As i said previously I'm a marketer and networker. where you must choose. is i figured I'd keep my karma good. and my friend telling me about plat in CC's. Ted. So. . its a pointless endeavor for the lowest of the low scum of the earth. finishing. so i figured well. because 2% are incompetent the rest are punished. Thomas from Sarasota. I was searching for two things when i got online today. when I got up. 2010 Well. New Jersey April 18. or used parts. and i was like jeez I hope there will be intelligent people to have deep conversations. Also. First is thanking two people. and that's how i get by now. and they start getting up would be power hungry and greedy. talk to friends who work in areas that come across people selling junk cars. P. but we lose out on advancement of society. your way of thinking is incredibly fascinating. On my next note. WOW. the only option left must be that people want to keep people out of this business so they can keep everyone from getting by. with food. family or career. and i am granted with off the chart social skills. because Tennessee its hard finding deep and free-thinking people. well Networking is one of my favorite things. and then be a middle man. i figured i would look into the CC idea so maybe i could gain a little extra money after me losing my job. I would never have imagined that everyone who was once barely getting by. People who are secretive do make the most profit. I figured i shall start with two different topics. I'm 19. and helped them. the business relationships and personal ones i developed have kept me and my dad in a house. In hopes when and if i fell i would have people around me to keep me afloat. i started reading this because i had hopes that some one would post what cars would be best to go get cc's and then find a company who buys them for refining purposes. find out what kind of CC's too look for. like I am going to be there in May.Regards.com Brick. or you must wait a given amount of time to receive payment on the converters if you sell too a scrap yard. Ted Mooney. And since i have to support an older but great father. Except there is one thing i cant find. and makes our world more like the movie Idiocracy if anything. i am infuriated at the fact. obviously so. i really enjoy your calm responses to some arrogant people. I guess it sucks that greed rules this country. but things happen and you have other obligations in life.. this is why i liked thomas's post. Why not post a list of cars? Most states require a title. Because people will go steal them. the way u run these forums is exceptional. Sadly. So i figured. first is how someone could easily sell stolen gold. and am well versed in the language of american society.. i brought everyone around me up. That is an arrogant notion of people in America..E. I don't think personally I would be able to do it.. I would like to tell you all a little about myself. that people are scared too post what CC's are good to buy..
Nor. with bills of sale for every cat i buy so you never would have to worry about me being a thief. If you guys could be generous and think of others. I'm sure I'll have at least made a little money off it. my word is never broken. All i have to say is. hell. the race to the bottom is on. and just selling the guts. put out a list. I just am not the type of man who lives off someone else's gratitude. because things here are cheap. Tennessee April 19. It's just i see older cars being parted out. i am not trying to undercut you guys in your ingot industry. well awesome. am i planning to start anything related to the pt industry. and just getting rid of the cats core too a scrap yard. i could ship them too u. and my marketing experience. since someone angry at my dad for calling the police on them because he was in fear for his life. 2010 Hi. But letting the world know would be a much better thing! But. people selling muffler and cc for 10 bux. and a loan isn't an option. on cars that look bonestock. but do not have a dime for start up cost. Thank you For your Time! :) If you guys would like to contact me through email. I'm a marketer. I like to work. just like an extra 600 a month or so. if there are threads like this. Well. but this site does not put people into private contact with each other. if information shared with me you ask not too be disclosed. or a google search to locate the people you are seeking. just making it better so i don't go out and waste my time. Joe. and teaching kids how to pick up chicks. and maybe take my dad out too eat like i used to. and the thread dissolves to spam :-) . not even knowing the cats may be worth something. and possibly start my own business that i have been wanting. Sorry! Similarly. i hope all of you enjoy this post. not a wall street man. it is my first ever on this site. just like many of you guys can. and possibly you would have the word of many exec's who would vouch for me. we try to avoid reference to company names because experience has repeatedly proven that as soon as a company name is mentioned. and I could use the money. Please use ebay.and utilities. Good luck. because I'm an honest person. just so i can get by a little better. or in the past could have used also. Craigslist. and finding a company who wanted too do the refining process or something. my idea was hopefully getting the cats. well i can see me on here in the future. 24/7. i figured that would be the best route. Joe Santaniello . See. but use my skills for a better purpose. I really enjoyed reading this thread. that would be acceptable too. if not. their competitors feel the need to post a glowing testimonial to themselves. and i give my word on my dad.Murfreesboro. maybe not hard labor. Just consider the list people. then sitting around on forums. So i was hoping I could make a small profit. and if this stuff actually pays off. and now they are buying me a car so i can get back to my life. if you do things on a larger scale. and certainly not my last. cut the radiator hose and some other hoses i do not know what they are at this time. i will abide by that notion. Apologies. Like En: Datsun/Nissan 70-93 not even being super specific. now that i tried to get a little help from some of you guys. and have something too think about.
Regards. Ted Mooney. your block would be valued at $51. I had thoughts of selling them raw. finishing. Platinum weighs 21. Texas June 8. P. 2010 I have over 1000 CC cut from salvaged autos over the past couple of years. Ted Mooney.riverside. Gas and Diesel big differences.E. have heard it might be against the law to process them in the US. New Jersey May 19. New Jersey June 24. to a point I am NOT a metallurgist and have limit knowledge of the subject. Your block of platinum is 3 cubic inches.10 grams to a troy ounce. Regards.387 cubic centimeters to a cubic inch.Midland. Terrill. So. There are 31. California USA June 9. and it sounds like the time I'm done study the "ART of CCs" I should have another thousand or so. weight of a solid block of Platinum with the dimensions of 3" x 1" x 1". terrill booth . at today's spot price of $1533 per troy ounce. 2010 Hi. and with regard to obfuscating for the uninitiated. Hope the PRICES stay up? I been told to keep the content separate due to the difference in amount and type of metals.45 grams per cubic centimeter. There are 16.com Brick. 2010 Just wondering if anyone could give me some info. that being said. Keep posting and I'll keep reading Scott Jones . This thread leads me to believe it is not. I am a chemist. finishing.E. P.980. What would be an approx. 2010 First I'll just say this.com Brick. GREAT!! I will begin reading up. it .
seems to me that one could with some difficulty dissolve the platinum/ceramic guts in conc. *-*-*-* THIS IS NOT TO BE TRIED BY ANYONE FOLLOWING THIS POST ALONE..Dallas.scrapcatalyticconverter.. 2010 These are great questions about catalytic converters and platinum. Yup. Got it legally by the way.. Queensland. Ma . And for some it is a conspiracy because they are too ignorant or plain stupid to understand how complicated and dangerous to body and environment it is to extract it. Walt Smith manufacturer .. Another waste of 30 minutes of my life surfing the web :) :) Gary W . California USA . clearly I haven't gone so far as putting pencil to paper on this but it seems to me that it could be a lucrative opportunity for someone with a skill set in place to mitigate the very real (and potentially lethal) risks involved.PLEASE DO YOUR RESEARCH *-*-*-* Victor C. beyond that apply tremendous tremendous amounts of heat to the precipitate and go to the bank.Brisbane. " There be 'Gold'in them thar hills" or in this case Platinum in them there Catalytic Converters.Mobile.com Dave smith . 2010 Cry. I found it here 'cause I was looking for a reason why my Ford is acting up. every one gets rich in a gold rush. Alabama September 3.... Any thoughts on a response on this thread will be greatly appreciated. Texas.and there is a rush on to find out how it's done or how to get it. US August 11.. 2010 Can anyone give an estimate of what a pound of slurry collected in the early 80's is worth. Maybe you should take a look at www..Redondo Beach. nitric and judiciously precipitate with some heavy metal ion.YOU WILL NOT GET PLATINUM WITHOUT RESPECTING THE CHEMISTRY AND FOLLOWING MY THOUGHT PROCESS WITHOUT FULLY UNDERSTANDING THE NATURE OF THE MATERIALS INVOLVED COULD AND WOULD CAUSE SERIOUS INJURY AND/OR DEATH.. Australia September 29.
and pictures of them are all over the net. but photos are available at www.com/2006/11/28/thieves-target-catalytic-converters-for-precious-metals/. There is a great video at www.how exactly do you tell the difference between an OEM & After-Market Catalytic Converter? Could someone muster up a photo of these 'beads' and these 'honey combs' you talk about do they look just like a piece of screen? So far with the cats I have cut off (Yes legally) they all just look like hollow metal chambers with a screen in them. I'm not real familiar with the old-style ceramic bead catalytic converters.html. USA January 14. -J Justin L MaineJunKYards .but I don't trust backyard bob enough to keep doing business with him.the dubbah only wanted to give me $10 bucks for them .com/Recycling. Justin.December 22. I would like to thank Ted first of all for supplying this lovely little trough of information. Being a web designer I know what is like to have to deal with internet hooligans.com/Loose_Beads_Pellets_secure. I did an engineering project at a factory that built the newer honeycomb style converters (still a long long time ago).Maine. The last time I brought a couple the junkyard . What I would like to see/know . Secondly .sellyourcatsdirect.I as I just mentioned I'm a web designer by trade -but I have started my own side project with recycling cars & metals. So if someone would please give me a few (Yes more than one please .no one liner is gonna help me learn anything) tips on how to distinguish between a factory original and a aftermarket cat.athens Alabama January 14. It has been a great revenue so far making something out of nothing is very rewarding. including maidenresources.com/watch? v=rmtFp-SV0tY .and he might have been honest (one came off an old GM Van & the other a new chevy geo) .which no one has mentioned before . I haven't done much with them but pile them up being as I don't know the difference yet. 2010 what does the extracted metal look like ron green curious .youtube. Thank You all very much for your time spent here & input.html and green.autoblog. 2011 Greetings Everyone. 2011 Hi.
Ted Mooney. P. but don't know. that an aftermarket converter would have less precious metals soaked into the honeycomb.com Brick. New Jersey . but I don't know how to tell the difference. finishing.E.I think. Regards.