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I BUY, SELL AND REPAIR COMPUTERS. RECENTLY I STARTED TO SAVE ALL MY COMPUTER SCRAP TO RECOVER THE GOLD THAT IS ON THE CARDS. SO ON THE OTHER HAND I STARTED TO BUY A FEW CATALYTIC CONVERTERS AS SCRAP BECAUSE I HEARD THAT IT HAS A LITTLE AMOUNT OF PLATINUM AND PALLADIUM HONEYCOMB THAT IS INSIDE THE BODY OF THE CONVERTER. SO THE POINT IS: IF SOMEONE CAN EXPLAIN TO ME OR GUIDE ME IN THE NEXT STEP TO RECOVER THE PLATINUM_PALLADIUM ONCE THE CONVERTER IS OPEN, BECAUSE THE HONEYCOMB I THINK IS MADE OF CERAMIC. WHY I WANT TO KNOW THIS: TO PROVE TO A COUPLE OF FRIENDS THAT THE CONVERTERS HAVE A LITTLE AMOUNT OF THESE METALS. THEY THINK THAT I AM CRAZY OR NUTS. MARIO Z "hobbyist" - TIJUANA , BAJA CALIFORNIA, MEXICO ++++ If you want to do it just to prove your friends the point, then I agree to them. But if you're willing to make money out of it, be prepared to spend a decent amount of life and a little fortune with no guarantee of success up front. Guillermo Marrufo Monterrey, NL, Mexico
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Scrap Catalytic Converter Platinum Recycle Full Lincoln $71.01 44m
+++++ We have the process for getting platinum ( and other platinum grade metal from scrap catalytic converters). Listen to your friends. The platinum is there, but it is a very dangerous process. You have to know what you are doing. Charles K - Burtonsville, Maryland
View all disclaimer scrap catalytic converter 2008 Domestic platinum $71.50 3h 30m
Scrap Catalytic Converter Platinum $203.00 4h 01m
++++++ Catalytic converters have precious metal in them, Mario. It's the precious metals that provide the catalytic reaction. So collect on the bet. Recovery is dangerous and
shouldn't be attempted by untrained individuals though :-)
Ted Mooney, P.E. finishing.com Brick, New Jersey
++++++ Yes there is Platinum in catalytic converters. You can't recover it yourself but you have to take it a place that buys gold, metals, scraps... I buy catalytic converters, I pay good money. It depends on what kind of catalytic converter you have and if it's full, or half full. Monica M - Louisville, Kentucky
++++++ Monica M, Can you please explain what you mean by full or half-full. also, what different types of catalytic converters are there? which ones are most desirable for resell to refiners? Thanks - Mark Mark W - San Antonio, Texas
+++++++ Hi I currently buy and sell catalytic converters to a man. He has often told me that he will be out of town selling these catalytic converters. My question is how much more is he getting paid and where does he take them to? Currently the best paid one I have had is
one for $120.00, if anyone can help me please do so. Juan M buyer/seller - Seven Springs, North Carolina
+++++++ I think Ted was kind of on the right track with his answer, but just as wrong as the rest of the responders. You will probably not find anyone willing to give up the process that they use because they use it to recover the material themselves. It would be nice if they came right out and said that so you could use your powers of internet research on chemistry to devise your own way of extracting the materials. BTW, if a person wishes to blow themselves up or poison themselves let them do it just don't take anyone else with you. Ron H - Scranton, Pennsylvania
+++++++ I have access to hundreds of catalytic converters, and want to know how to extract, not refine, the platinum from them. This would save shipping fees, but I'm not sure if I can just cut out the part containing the platinum, or do I have to strip it out? Georgia T recycler, junk dealer - Nashville, Tennessee
Ron, yes, certainly people can be coy. But the main issue is difficulty, not secretiveness. Brain surgeons and aircraft engineers may be coy too, but their coyness is not the main reason why people don't post a simple answer here on how to do brain surgery or design a jetliner :-) Recovering precious metals requires a significant investment in time, education, and equipment. Georgia, you can cut the valuable part out from the steel. They will look a lot like a small muffler. The metal housing is stainless steel and contains no precious metal (although stainless steel has scrap value too). The precious metal is in the ceramic honeycombs you find inside. Good luck! Ted Mooney, P.E. finishing.com Brick, New Jersey
finishing. P.. New Jersey +++++++ I work in a lab and need to produce platinum from a catalytic converter on a small and safe scale.com Brick. and there are books that compare the alternative approaches and explain the chemistry in depth.and do the math at 1200 dollars an ounce for platinum.. Object 7 Ted Mooney. Rachel. I have one way to do it but it is kinda hectic. Nathan H . for the ones that want to know why they are so expensive. UK Object 8 +++++++ Recovery of precious metals is a well developed industrial science. I would like to know whom I could sell the catalytic converters.. it seems that developing a good "buy low / sell high" strategy is a much easier way to make money than doing the dangerous chemistry.9 grams of platinum in the honeycomb. Nathan.E.Rotherham. What is the best way of doing this? Rachael C work in a glass lab .+++++++ Hello. Alabama +++++++ I did the math as you asked. for an average size converter it has about 1. South Yorkshire. But.Vernon. Read the great reviews of Ammen's book --> But why does your company "need" to get platinum from this source rather than buying it? If can you provide a little more detail on what you Object 9 . Looking at ebay with asking prices from about $10 to $150 for scrap catalytic convertors. and came up with $80.
finishing.start by reading books that are readily available from any large library (did you ask yet if your library had the books we already recommended?). If you ask a specific question regarding how jetliners are built. P.com Brick. LOUIS. but if you say "tell me how to build a jetliner". P. I MEAN THERE ARE A LOT OF DANGEROUS THINGS OUT HERE. THAT WE DON'T EVEN ASK FOR. and people will probably be willing and able to answer. Just as Boeing & Airbus are not concerned that you will compete against them in building jetliners. Good luck. BUT TO DENY THE PEOPLE TO MAKE MANY WHETHER YOU BELIEVE OR NOT TO BE DANGEROUS IS OUR DECISION IF WE WANT TO DO IT.S. it's not that they refuse to answer. SO FOR ANYONE WOULDN'T MIND SHARING SOME VALUABLE INFORMATION PLEASE LET ME KNOW THE PROCESS OF EXTRACTING THESE PRECIOUS METALS Wade Collins . I MEAN REGARDLESS OF IF IT'S A DANGEROUS PROCESS OR NOT ITS OUR OWN DECISION IF WE WANT TO GO THROUGH WITH IT OR NOT. you will probably get better targeted and therefore more helpful answers. New Jersey +++++++ MY NAME IS WADE COLLINS AND I WAS TRYING TO FIND THIS PROCESS OUT MYSELF.E. AND OTHER FOREIGN ILLNESSES. ALCOHOL FOR ONE IS A DANGEROUS PROCESS IN EVERY WAY BUT PEOPLE NEVER DENIED US THE PROCESS OF CONSUMING IT AS WELL AS DRUGS. It's not so much secret as difficult to explain when starting from zero.ST. All they can do is say "start by attending an aeronautical engineering college for four years" :-) Recovery of precious metals is a well developed science-. Johnson-Matthey & Heraeus are not afraid of their halfbillion dollar precious metal refineries facing competition from individuals. Give yourself a few weeks of diligent reading and you'll be able to ask rather specific questions. Thanks! Ted Mooney. WORKING IN ASBESTOS AREAS. BUT IT SEEMS TO ME THAT NO ONE WANTS TO GIVE THIS VALUABLE INFORMATION UP IN FEAR OF OTHER PEOPLE MAKING THE KIND OF MONEY THEY'RE MAKING. . it's that they simply can't answer a question that broad. like how thick should the nickel-cadmium plating be on a turbine blade. Missouri Hi. people may answer.are trying to do. Wade.
page 2 1 2 3 4 5 6 +++++++ hi friends.E. Couldn't for the life of me figure out what this guy was keeping them for and why he was hiding them so far from the road.France . Roberto Gremini . but I don't know the method for take out the platinum from it. Vermont USA þÿ Search Home/Sitemap · you are here: Forum => letter 27814. if it's possible can you help me? how do we do it? regards Jouni . 2011 LOL Just acquired a foreclosed estate property with acreage and found a mountain of converters waaaayyyy back in the woods under tarps. P.com Brick.Belvidere. page 2 HOW TO RECOVER PLATINUM FROM CATALYTIC CONVERTERS. Stumbled on this thread and now I know.Ted Mooney. finishing. I buy & sell many catalytic convertor. New Jersey January 11.
Their combination allows an efficient and environmentally conscious extraction and separation of rare earth elements from the mixed concentrate. Between 500 deg C and 800 deg C. suggests that carbochlorination of the mixed concentrate at temperatures as low as 500 deg C in the (Cl2 1 SiCl4) atmosphere is suitable for rare earth extraction and thorium-free volatile by-product release. apparent activation energy of the carbochlorination within 2 hours changed from 22 to 16 kJ/mol roughly for the initial half hour and final 1 hour. and AlCl3 as vapor complex former..95 4d 04h 36m View all disclaimer If you can't understand that then you're out of luck.5 hours in the (Cl2 1 SiCl4 1 AlCl3) atmosphere and then at 1000 C for 6 hours in the (Cl2 1 AlCl3) atmosphere along different temperature gradients. but these values reduced to 15 and 2. leading to complete thorium removal and efficient rare earth separation. The rare earth chloride yield for 2 hours was 56 to 88 mol pct in the absence of SiCl4 and 92 to 99 mol pct in the presence of SiCl4. This. $24.+++++++ Since "complicated and dangerous" doesn't seem to satisfy the masses on what it takes to extract precious medals from items such as catalytic converters.1 kJ/mole under 2 kPa of SiCl4 gas. chlorine gas as chlorination agent. in the absence of SiCl4. . I'll put it in another way. HOW TO RECOVER RARE METALS FROM ELECTRON . which is different from the conventional Goldschmidt process at 1000 C to 1200 C. The CVT reaction of the carbochlorination product was performed at 800 C for 0. SiCl4 as defluorination agent. together with the negligible equilibrium vapor pressure of ThCl4 at below 600 C. respectively. but carbochlorination at above 1000 C yielded a large amount of acidinsoluble residue. The process to do so is known as carbochlorination and the simplified textbook definition of the process is as follows: A stepwise carbochlorination--chemical vapor transport (SC--CVT) process is proposed for the rare earth extraction and separation from a mixed bastnaesite-monazite concentrate based on thermodynamic and kinetic analysis using carbon as reductant. there is no simpler.. step by step method of doing this. respectively.
Cory Gage - Tulsa, Oklahoma
+++++++ The reason these [expletive deleted] don't want to give you the info is cause of the loss of money they would be hit with. The high value cat's get 2 to 300 dollars that hold up to 2 ounces of platinum in them.Notice you caught the eye of so many on here trying to buy yours instead of showing how you can recover 2 ounces of platinum. Now 1 ounce goes for what 1300 dollars.I wouldn't show you how to recover it either! Zachary Rumble - Lawton, Oklahoma
+++++++ Cory just finished taking the time to give you the 'secret' info, Zachary. But you don't yet have the background knowledge to understand his instructions. Any large library will have books on recovering platinum and precious metals; you may need to study those books before you understand Cory's instructions. I bought a new catalytic converter from Meineke for under $150. Some models for larger cars may have more platinum but $2600 worth sounded ludicrous. So I spent some time on line looking for the world's most expensive catalytic converter and the best I could do was $2495 for a pair for a Ferrari, Although the precious metals are indeed valuable, maybe the real issue is that there are people who want to sell you scrap at ridiculous prices by exaggerating its value while implying that recovery is easy?
Ted Mooney, P.E. finishing.com Brick, New Jersey
+++++++ I am a buyer of scrap catalytic converters.The process you ask about is very hard and dangerous. It is a process that is regulated under EPA standards. It is profitable to sell the converter as a whole unit. You can refine or have them refined in other countries if you want to gather up 3000 of them and wait 90 days on your money to come back to you. My web site buys on average 2500 catalytic converters a month. I have tried it all and to refine a converter yourself is totally crazy. There is 3 acids in the process and it becomes very explosive and at
times it does explode.The proper automated machines keep the workers safe when this happens. There are several platinum groups in most converters. A large gm I pay 100.00 for it on my web site. A aftermarket converter is not worth what a factory converter is. It will only net you 10.00 as scrap. Some large converters I pay 140.00 for them and some exotic converters go higher than that, 200.00 or so. Before you find all there is to refining your own think about the people around you and the laws of the land. Steven Gee - Hornsby, Tennessee
+++++++ I agree with Mr. Mooney's last post. It is impossible to recover $200 in metals value from a product that RETAILS for less than $200! Now, I do believe that finding silver/gold/Pt/Pd and other precious metals in a refinable form is still do-able at flea-markets, garage and estate sales and thrift stores - with enough time and patience. They, like others, have become much more sophisticated, so, likely they tested and 'high-graded' anything before it went out for sale. Garage sales at private residences (NOT conducted by professional estate or auction services) remain the best candidates. Bruce A Ades - Carrollton, Texas
+++++++ I am new to scrap metal. I want to get the metal out of these items. Does anybody know a melt down place to retrieve these metals? I want to make a living doing scrap metal. Vicky in Los Angeles Victoria Blanchard hobbyist - Los Angeles, California
+++++++ The carbochlorination behavior of scrapped honeycomb-type automobile catalysts was investigated using a chlorine and carbon monoxide gas mixture to fully extract platinum and rhodium in the catalysts. The recoveries of platinum, rhodium, and base metals are monitored by ICP-AES analyses. Upflow type of fixed-bed carbochlorination experiments were performed between 250 and 700 C. The effects of flow rate, time, and partial pressures of chlorine and carbon monoxide were also determined. After optimization of these parameters, the recoveries of about 95.9% of platinum and 92.9% of rhodium were obtained
at 550 C. The recovered condensate was contaminated by various base metal chlorides. The chlorides generated from the base metals could be minimized by decreasing the flow rate of the gas mixture without any deterioration of PGM recoveries, but at the expense of the volatility. The carbochlorination of scrapped automobile catalysts could be an efficient way for the profitable recovery of platinum and rhodium chlorinated compounds at comparatively low temperatures. sorry i cant find the credits Brian McKee - Buffalo, New York
January 26, 2008 I agree with most of the comments here. The process is not one that everyone should be trying. It is much easier to just find someone who is doing it all the time. There are a few good companies that would be happy to buy all the CCs you can get them. If you want to try something try to recover gold. It is plenty dangerous enough for the thrill seekers and you are much more likely to have a good outcome. After you have done a few hundred pounds of gold then you can move up to this. I should mention scale is very important when it comes to profit margins on both of these processes. Michael Biggs - Princeton, Texas
January 29, 2008 Recovery of metals from cats is difficult| Is it possible to recondition the cat ready for re installation .E G.Vacuum baking to remove volatiles followed by baking in air to burn off carbon? Mickey Louvel chemist - Hampshire, U.K.
February 10, 2008 http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/5542957-description.html Here you will find several ways to extract the metals. And for everyone out there who enjoys censoring information to the masses, tisk tisk. Adam Underwood
Mobile. I wonder because somebody just hacked mine off my Jeep with a Sawsall. I burnt my hands dragging the thing from the road. 2008 About 4 years ago I was traveling along the highway and a catalytic converter dislodged it's self from the vehicle in front of me... James Monroe . I didn't have time to get out of it's way and ran over it at 110 km/h(70 MPH). Adam? Ted Mooney.E. Western Australia February 11.San Francisco. California February 19. 2008 I wonder where all these people are getting ALL these cats. you do not want to refine the tiny bit of metal in each without a lab behind you.com Brick. 2008 Those of you wanting more for your converters are in a jam. it was just an old muffler!!! What a day!!!! Enjoy your converter people. New Jersey February 11. Prices are based on types. volume. so I too could own some PLATINUM.Perth. I stopped to check the damage and remove the converter and tailpipe from the road. The sole of my shoe and my jacket were destroyed in this process. eh? And no. I placed it in the truck of my vehicle and raced it home. and remember everyone has to make a profit or they would be out of business.PJC Peter Carey . P. finishing. but I persevered and finally broke the catalytic converter off. It's dangerous plus you'll lose money. 2008 Have you seen anyone censoring anything. I decided to take my leather jacket off and break the red hot pipe from the converter. Cindy Reynolds . cried over the stuffed jacked and shoe and proceeded to take to the thing with my oxy-acetylene cutter. Alabama February 10. Or is it just a burning curiosity? Maybe we should have some legal authority monitoring of this thread. quantity. The replacement bumper and paintwork cost me $780.00. I did the first aid on my hands. To my surprise. having some knowledge of it..
So can some one give me a price list. how much money I will receive for which model? I don't want to give 50 and get 30. A Crucible and crucible furnace is all you need along with someborax [link is to product info] and silica sand. One that came off of a .Prairie Du Chien. Easy to assemble and use. 2008 How do I know if my converter cartridge has any material left in it? I have access to cartridges which have been removed from converters. Thanks and good luck all. I just want to sell the cat. 2008 The cat's are disappearing here in Minn. 2008 I own a salvage company. Doug Dugan hobbyist . The average cc contains around (if all used up) about a 1/4 oz. I have no interest in recovering the platinum. Georgia April 24. Kurt Crosby .Kilkenny.I know there are ways around but at least we are trying. How do I know if there is any precious metals left in them.. Minnesota March 19. Do some research it is not that hard to search this stuff. The reason most people don't do it is they are either dreamers or just too stupid or flat out too lazy to try when they find out what it takes. Ohio March 16. James Wilson . Platinum and Palladium are each different weights and one has a higher melting point than the other so when cooling down they tend to separate somewhat. and then you have almost pure platinum and palladium. 2008 I too used to think like most of you until I talked to a gentleman who owns a bronze sculpture foundry..Dalton..Springfield. I in turn found out the secret...in a perfect world. Wisconsin March 11. You can find the plans for a furnace online easily.. When you pour the mold it will cool and the slag can be removed with a small hammer.so they have just passed a law that the purchaser must get the id of the seller which helps determine if a Jeep cat was cut off and a Jeep cat was sold the next day they can find you.
They use the price of the car to offset the cc that has the platinum inside. They make a lot and the guys who melt them make a killing.00 every weekend on cc's.com Brick. Like in the 70's a new car (not a Cadillac mind you) but a regular car was around 7. the low price for palladium was $432/oz. . It is there and I make a lot on it every weekend. I just smelted an '89 and produced 1/3 oz of platinum on a dead one. 2008 The new converters that they sell are not like the ones that come on the new car. I average 2 to 3. Ted Mooney.000 dollars. Also with a lot of states like here that require an inspection sticker no more. the new cats that you get are either reconditioned or made of cheap stuff. This fit with the plan and now it will cost 18. When the cc was added because of emissions control cars started becoming 10 to 12000 dollars. Regards.E.000.00 you have to make a profit. Do your research if you want to make money.. These are after market. Don't let the buyers of cc's lie and say they don't hardly get much more from you on them from their buyers. It is doable and should be done by anyone with half a brain! chuck graham . 2008 The "low" price for platinum today was $1951/oz. I also extract gold from plated cosmetic jewelry and have a good time doing it in my spare time. finishing. They don't care if it costs them 3 grand to produce one for the new car because they will add that to the new car price.Purcell. They can put less of the valuable components into them for sale in these states and still be in compliance. Oklahoma April 24.[certain model] that had been wrecked before it got used almost new produces close to 3 oz. They use a pgm that is not as high as platinum or pall. New Jersey April 26. If people would take the time to do it right they would make a lot of extra money for themselves. P. Just an example: before the cc came out on new cars the value of a car was in the mid thousand dollar range. Chuck. If you don't you are just spinning your wheels.000 and up. If i buy one that came off of a new car it will yield way more than that of a knock off. To sum it all up if you buy for 100. You just have to be safe doing it so you don't hurt your self in the process. So if we assume the car maker uses half palladium and half platinum it would cost them $3575 to charge a converter? Some convertors are worth more than others. but something doesn't add up.
HNO3). ten converters in a shed.Purcell. wash with HCl. 2008 Reflux the honeycomb in aqua regia (HCl. Utah April 30. would it be worth it to purchase a Crucible furnace and extract the platinum/palladium myself? It seems to me that the older and heavier ones would be more valuable.Chuck Chuck Graham . strain the resulting solution and dispose of the ceramic. some for scrap at $90 to $100 each. Oklahoma April 29. I'd like to know: are the cars/trucks with the catalytic converters intact worth more? I'm I being ripped off? Yesterday I found approx.Tooele. treat with Ammonium chloride. 2008 Hi. I have been selling the vehicles off one by one. 2008 How much precious metal is in 60 grams of catalytic converter flakes? Hi someone please help me with these questions: 1) on ebay people sell collected flakes of platinum from catalytic converters. Kathie Meli junk yard owner . evaporate.San Francisco. I recently inherited a mini junk yard. California April 25. I'm I right in my assumption? Thanks for any help you can give me. dry and heat to 500 C to remove impurities. . How much platinum is in 60 grams of these flakes? 2) where can I sell it? 3) how much can I expect to get per ounce of this stuff? Thanks for your help Joe Goday interested in getting involved .
is there other parts that might be worth my while to scrap.Texas June 17.regardless? Just wondering if it will be worth my while to jack up and climb under and cut off the converters. punch a hole in the converters and the beads will usually fall out. I also know they pay a lot less for 'dirty' metal as I scraped some aluminum window frames a few years ago and was paid a lot less for the ones that had screws and other metal still attached. You will notice there are different colored beads.Steve Shaw .Olalla. I think I should remove and scrap my converters before calling the junk dealer and just giving the cars away. the dark ones are the trash and the other lighter colored ones are the metals your looking for. 2008 "And by the way if your still wanting to try it all your selves. then you will need hydrochloric acid. Well stop asking the how and just ask what's the best way to make the most money you can. A barrel full is worth about 20. That part is soooo simple anyone can do it. Washington June 13. you can go find what your looking for on the Discovery network. muriatic acid so you can mix them in the right amounts to make the acid that is needed to extract the metals. 2008 Well I am sure we are all tired of hearing the same questions over and over again and that HOW. 2008 I have 6 or so cars that I have been dragging my feet about getting rid of. I am sure they will have a re-run there. muriatic acid so you can mix them in the right amounts to make the acid that is needed to extract the metals. I won't go in to more detail than that. New York May 12. First of all get a 55 gallon barrel and then start collecting converters. like the starters & alternators? I know they have the copper windings inside. I won't go in to more detail than that. Now I am no rocket scientist but it sure don't take one to fill up that 55 gallon barrel and have it shipped to a refiner in Cali. I am currently in between jobs and could use the money to get me through. Dale R . Also. And by the way if your still wanting to try it all your selves.Honeoye Falls. do they just weigh them and give you a set price. then you will need hydrochloric acid.with the recent outbreak of thefts. do they? Or. How do I or the recycler now the value of each? Surely they do not take them apart on the spot. so what's your choice? I for one will stick to watching "How Its Made" on the Discovery channel and learn from the Pro's on how to safely recycle converters. Carol Stevens .000 USD. you can go find what your looking .
OK explained an alternate way to do it by melting. finishing. 2008 OH." see it is that one lil sentence that is a bunch of bull.E. P.YOU ALWAYS HAVE SUCH A RESERVED CONTROL .." why in the heck can't you people share what you know? instead you have to be all secretive and say oh it's dangerous and you need all these poisonous chemicals.for on the Discovery network. Tyler E . • We've named books. can perform a precious metal refining process. Cory from Tulsa explained in detail how the precious metals can be recovered.Norfolk. Then Brian from Buffalo did the same. Tyler. so why not just melt it out (after all you probably do) because its easier. that will explain all. 2008 Hi. GOOD GRIEF! Y'KNOW. you demand that someone explain in one paragraph how people of unknown skill and experience. Why? just to try to discourage us because you don't want us possibly taking your profit if were in your area. Please study. Ted Mooney.. TED. perhaps without basic chemistry knowledge. "I wont go into more detail than that. available from any library. • • • • • But instead of thanking anyone.. Regards. Then Adam from Mobile pointed you to a patent describing some methods. Virginia June 19. "pouring brick after brick" of precious metal. you tell us about chemicals to thwart us from trying when you people are probably just tossing them into a furnace and pouring brick after brick. and then ask any detailed question you wish and people will probably be delighted to answer it. It's just ridiculous. Then Chuck from Purcell.com Brick. Dale from Texas suggested collecting the beads in barrels as the best place to position yourself in the recovery chain to make money simply and easily. New Jersey June 27. I am sure they will have a re-run there. all metal will melt at some point. but went on to name a TV program if you want to go further.
..... I SWEAR..gonna pour myself a good brandy. I COULD GATHER ENOUGH STORY MATERIAL TO MAKE A VERY BIZARRE COMEDY. TED. 2008 why when someone lays it out for you you think its wrong? its not safe you can't do it in your house or basement if you get it wrong you die!! SO look it up and then think about it!! get it wrong. IN ANY MONTH.. Allen Cook pgm refiner .. ONE HAS TO WONDER IF THEY ARE JOKING WITH US OR (even worse) ARE ACTUALLY SERIOUS ABOUT SOME OF THEIR FANTASTIC BELIEFS AND STATEMENTS. SCREAMING.I GET A REGULAR DOSE OF COMMENTS FROM INDIVIDUALS CLAIMING THAT THERE'S GOTTA BE SOME SORT OF CONSPIRACY WITH REGARD TO ACTUAL RETRIEVABLE PGM LOADS FROM VARIOUS AUTO CATALYSTS AND INDUSTRIAL SUCCENTS. NAIVE AND SOMETIMES HYSTERICAL PEOPLE HAVE TO SAY TO ME ON THE PHONE OR eMAIL. I. Umm..I UNDERSTAND JUST HOW OFTEN YOU MUST BITE YOUR LIP AND GIVE A SIGNIFICANT PAUSE TO REFLECT ON THE ABSURDITIES SOME OF THESE POSTERS KEY-OUT. Wyoming July 4. I SUPPOSE THAT I WOULD NEED TO WRITE-IN A FEW CHASE SCENES AND OTHER HI-TENSION SUBJECT MATTER TO HOLD GENERAL AUDIENCE INTERESTS. AAARRRRAGGGAAAHHHHH! OK.'TILL IT STARTS ALL OVER AGAIN TOMORROW MORNING.. YEAH... I DON'T KNOW IF I WOULD WANT TO INCLUDE THE PERSONAL REALITY OF ME WAKING UP IN A COLD-CLAMMY SWEAT... 2008 I have started down the Aqua regia route for reclaiming PMG's from cats which I'm quite . I'LL GET THROUGH THIS TONIGHT. BELIEVE ME. AND THEY ALSO BELIEVE THAT THE PROCESS IS SIMPLE AND COSTS VERY LITTLE TO DO IT...... MANY TIMES THE ACTUAL AMOUNTS OF THOSE PRECIOUS METALS THAT EXIST IN THE SPENT CATALYSTS. THERE. cant fix dumb terry Pearson .. you're dead and everyone close to you..I WILL.. SO MANY OF THEM DO BELIEVE THAT WE MUST BE SALVAGING MANY...AND BEFORE MY SIDE STOPS HURTING FROM UNCONTROLLED LAUGHTER.Moreno Valley.(on a good night) FROM DREAMING ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS THESE MISDIRECTED. BUT. I DEAL WITH VARIOUS SEGMENTS OF THE PGM RECYCLING INDUSTRY ON A DAILY (and nightly) BASIS AND EVERY TIME I THINK THAT I'VE HEARD IT ALL. NOW. OK..rock springs.. R.I'M ALRIGHT NOW..OK.I HEAR SOMETHING EVEN FUNNIER..... California July 4.FOR HOURS AND HOURS..WITH YOUR RESPONSES TO THESE POSTS AND I DO ADMIRE YOU FOR THAT.I HAVE NOTHING TO SAY.
if anyone had done their homework. etc. Don Weaver hobbyist . I have read these questions and also the answers in great detail tying to resolve the correct procedures to make these extractions of platinum. and my son who is a . I personally think people are misguided in their amateur precious metal recovery efforts. Step #3 Melt all of the contents.comfortable with. I too am interested in procuring platinum from catalytic converters. but I have no reason to assume they are thieves.London. I will post it on the major internet services (google. Step #2 Strip the insides of the converter and place into a large crucible.) for all to use. Sincerely. Scott. However. Is there any one who can steer us folks in the correct step by step procedures? What # step do the different chemicals get added in? As soon as I obtain the correct step by step procedures for the extraction of platinum from auto catalytic converters. I guess in some areas there is catalytic converter theft but I've never heard of an incident in my local newspapers or on my TV stations. New Zealand July 4. What I can't fathom with Chuck's method though is that separation of the PMG's seem to be straight forward but the scientific papers on the subject say you only get separation of the PMG's if you use a carrier metal such as copper. etc. that is how we know there is no real interest in the metal other than its resale value. Thank you again.Palacios. England July 9. Texas July 9. yahoo.Palmerston Nth. I Remain. the current market for rhodium is closer to £18K. 2008 Why is it that all these cat convertor thieves are asking how to extract the platinum. could someone give the correct Step #1 Open up the converter with a torch. I have tried googling on the internet and I have not found any significant "steps" to extract platinum from converters. 2008 Hi. and so on until the last step of removing slag from the platinum. being a retired scientist(chemist). I would like to thank whom ever sends this information so that it can be distributed to people who do need extra income for their families. I do like Chuck's method however and if I had seen it early enough would have gone down that road as it appears nice and clean. they would know that the current market price for an ounce of platinum is closer to $4k. Chuck? Bob Keen . Perhaps the key to it is the flux's that Chuck uses! Any comments. 2008 Also. Scott Edgeler .
along with a graphite crucible. I am interested in getting into this so I have been doing some research.JUST KEY-OUT "KITCO" OK? I'M GONNA GO TO BED NOW... New Jersey July 11.. STOP IT SCOTT. I'm sorry for you -. r.. borax [link is to product info].moreno valley. Could you use these same chemicals when melting jewelry? How does this process work? How much of each chemical should be used? What do you use? Also I was thinking of using an electric kiln capable of 2300 F.local cop here hasn't seen any incidences of it either. Any answers anyone can provide on this topic would be greatly appreciated. 2008 OMG.. would this work? How many times do you have melt the gold to remove all of the impurities? Does the waste or slag eventually come to the surface and then it is easy to pour out or do you have to strain it somehow? How do you measure the purity of gold? Where do you sell your gold when your done? What kind of price should I expect for an ounce of refined gold? (I know what gold is worth.IT'S STARTING AGAIN. C'MON. P. You said that you reclaimed gold from jewelry. allen cook .but please don't demand that we make the presumption that anyone we see climbing the church steps is on their way to rob the poor box :-) Regards. SCOTT. WHY ARE U QUOTING SUCH ABSURD SPOT-PRICES FOR PLATINUM AND PALLADIUM? IF YOU WILL REFER TO THE CURRENT DAILY PGM CHARTS DISPLAYED BY KITCO.E.GAWD... California July 14. PLEEZ. finishing. but I have some questions. fluoride. YOU WILL KNOW A LITTLE MORE ABOUT WORLD MARKET PRECIOUS METALS BUYING AND SELLING VALUES. Ted Mooney. and Sodium Nitrate to remove the impurities from the gold. but I am not sure how close to full price I would be able to get for it). I know when they are refining gold after being mined they use a combination of these five chemicals Manganese Dioxide.. If you've suffered a theft yourself.com Brick. I intend to go to . 2008 My question is for chuck who last posted on this topic back in April. Silica flour.
B. You see where this is leading.. If you mess up. you will not get a second chance. very dangerous. Garret Boyer . the chemicals required are.Vista. California July 14. what you know (like chemistry). The large English company of Johnson Matthey supply 1 in 3 cars worldwide with cats. Bob Keen .78 g rhodium . The info is available on the web. Every step towards recovering platinum. however.) The processor can sell the core for X + Y.Palmerston North.04 g palladium and 0. including concentrated acids. he pays them X per. 2008 Some pertinent information for potential cat processors. You have to decide where you want to fit in the process.. He is currently getting $30 each. 1. Is this a reasonable price? He works primarily on higher priced cars. 2. etc. (If you are good with people. and what you are good at.) You want a plasma cutter to work at speed. C. Guy picks up cats from repair shops. Because cats run at extremely high temperatures. the steel parts are high grade and not easy to cut.) .. New Zealand July 14. They indicate that in 1993 cats contained 60 g of precious metals but with new technologies this has been reduced so that now cats only contain 5 g of precious metals and this equates approximately to 3. The processor must cut open the cats and remove the core (that's where the platinum is. plus Y for (1) the work and expense of collecting them and (2) developing his network of suppliers (the repair shops). you might do very well building relationships with owners of repair shops. He can sell them to a processor for X.the library to do more research but if I could talk to someone who has actually done something like this it would help. Friend of mine runs a repair shop.so it looks as though if you want to get the most out of cat processing you grab the earlier cats most of whom will contain only platinum and palladium. The value of your part of the process depends on how much work you want to do. 3. but the body of the cat itself. I am very tempted to try my hand at recovering metals from cats. (I'm not talking about the pipes on either side. fire.19 g platinum. Think boiling acid. about 15 cats a week. plus Z for . in a cat has a value: A. 2008 1. in fact. I have some chemistry lab experience.take your pick. explosion .
Frank Richardson . 1.. If you read through this post and all the threads you will find that there are two pools of thought. get some cats and refine your process through the chain as you feel comfortable and safe. Laura Shea . New York July 14.Ardsley. since no one has asked it yet. No chem degree required or magical explosions or secretive myths. sourcing the CCs.be it chemistry or people (Ted). Yes. 2008 Ted Wow. or you are happy to concentrate the cores to the point that that you are comfortable with and learn as you go then that is a great plan.e.that you apply. This is a basic process of extraction.. do multiple levels in the process and avoid what they are not good at . And actually they are right.Phoenix. You do NOT have to use a complex and dangerous chemical process to recover these metals unless you need high yield recovery. Then learn / test the next step and so forth.. Suggestion: if you do not need cash but want to start a play just start stockpiling CCs. Arizona USA July 18. High temp acid and playing with chemical mixtures at any temperature is a great start to a bad weekend. OR 2.. start at step 1. what year did they start and stop putting the precious beads in these converters? Actually it's a question of curiosity . this is a chemical process that is dangerous. . 2008 I'll take the easy road . You do not need to break out the boiling acid to make a buck. difficult and dirty and is a 'pro's only' game requiring much knowledge to avoid death and harm . The level you wish to extract to depends on the level of work & knowledge OR test & try you .like playing with VooDoo dolls or something. get a life. I liked the post that spoke to finding your place in the distribution chain i. they are making a killing but only the ones that stay quiet. Bottom line if you are happy with less recovery.
. Regards. There are carcinogens (cancer causing agents) in exhaust and many bad chemicals . Jon. but only if they talk about the topic rather than the other posters. Imagine though if you bought CC for 5 years. Get wealthy as you go . So we'll be happy to print more postings from you. That's when you cash in. I don't engage in any business except this website and haven't for many years -.when you get better later and have more skills and contacts you can convert for cash or refine it to the next step of stripping the cores well. Its a closed poverty and scarcity mindset that tries to infect others with the difficulty you found learning it. did a fast refinement to concentrate and then started doing the processing side. but they've been adequate to keep this site going for more than a quarter million postings over 19 years. learn to safely strip cats. learn to compact the cores. Take a long term view. Then if you decide the biz (or parts of the biz) is not for you you can sell your cores and cash out and probably make more because the metal prices keep going up. i. learn to buy cats. Be mindful of environmental impacts and keep the cores well stored. refine.don't outline problems but give better solutions so they can learn and grow. One last point is keep in mind the cores are dangerous from step 1.that why they are in the car.Dallas. I learned that the single most important thing necessary for a durable public forum website is to not print ad hominem attacks. . So do your 55 gallon drum but keep the drum & learn or sell it only once you know more about its real value.yip. Jon Decker personal interest . My chemistry and people skills may not be good. wear breathing and other protection. instead why not try to help . Texas July 18. or sell it as-is.. Get rich quick? Nope.e.so I don't know what you mean about "your feedback and others in the business as being very transparent".... 2008 Hi. So you are dealing with some pretty bad radicals so be safe. stripped the cores. Jolly Roger PS Ted nothing actually against you however I see your feedback and others in the business as being very transparent including mr CAPITALS.
com Brick. but it is dangerous. I have done this with gold. What's the name of the refinery? Did you actually fill up a 55 gallon barrel full of the beads and sell it for $20. 2008 I believe I know how.000 to a refinery in CA. and believe you can do it with platinum. 2008 just a quick note. aqua regia is made with . Collins Emeka Ali wholesaler . 2008 I think you should look at what other products have Platinum in them there must be other applications that are not so hard to find electronics maybe? L.Vista. New Jersey July 19. California July 22. Georgia July 22. P. Georgia July 21. you will need to dissolve it in a hot aqua regia. Africa and Asia. 2008 Hey Dale you said that you can ship a 55 gallon barrel full of CC beads to a refinery in CA.. 2008 I have been searching for company or companies that recycle auto catalytic converter to transact business with. finishing. Please explain. I called around to a few places and they say you can't get nearly that much for them. calculated in kg? I get my goods from Europe. Hessen.Ted Mooney.your use of ounces and the confusion of value may be because the measure of TROY ounces for platinum is different from a standard ounce i believe MARCUS Hardy . Germany July 20. company that buy complete cat converter or buy those that have been removed from the case..Brunswick. i want a direct dealer.E. Garret Boyer .Taunusstein. or did you just hear from someone that you could sell them for that much.Atlanta. Mims Research .
hydrochloric and nitric acids.) Fred Weivraer . 2008 Hey. to get the $50.Bremerton. titanium. However keep in mind that it can be extremely dangerous if you are not constantly paying attention. acids are very dangerous when you heat them. See you soon. 2008 hey I'm touss in ga and want to know more about selling these cats i have in my junk cars! please do help who buys them and how much? touss black auto sales . It is best to use a large ceramic coated cooks pot so you don't have to transfer the liquid later. I am not sure about platinum. what? Oh. uranium. Chuck was the smartest and closest poster yet.morrow. Next take it to an area far away from human traffic . Washington Ed. the fumes and smoke are . the melting point of platinum is 1755°C. First you take the contents of the CC whether it be beads or honeycomb and melt it. Wait. and me and some of my buds here in the trailer park are thinkin of settin up an advanced precious metals extraction lab in my shed (thinkin of callin it "Hazmat Heaven") and I wanna know from you people what's a cheap easy way I can learn from one post. Well. here's a message from a Firefighter/EMT/Hazmat Tech: You have no more business doing "do it yourself" metallurgy of this type than you have making your own fireworks or booze.000 worth of palladium. Michigan August 4. You will have to crack the ceramic in a few places to accelerate the melt. cover the remainder with water. this makes the acid start to work. never mind. see-. please at least warn the folks at 9-1-1 before you start. Georgia August 8.Grand Rapids. note: Regarding theft of catalytic convertors. after you dissolve the platinum you can recover it by filtering out the acid through a coffee filter. but seriously folks. gold appears as a white powder on the filter. much hotter than gold at 1063°C I hope this helps and gives you enough information that you will be able to make a good decision on is it really worth it! Dennis Misenar .html July 30. and kryptonite and stuff. And don't ask me to do too much readin! (No. platinum.blog. I got me some cat converters we found just hangin off the cars in the walmart parkin lot.wired. After the melt has cooled cover half of it with chemically pure nitric acid. 2008 I am going to explain the easiest way to do this.com/cars/2008/02/asplatinum-soa. This can be done in a 30 gallon steel barrel with a crucible inside.
Aluminum. Yes... 2008 A query to Chuck . What is the process for extraction/recovery of platinum from vehicle catalytic converters that makes it "risky" or "near-impossible" ? . Petersburg. Florida August 21. Does this not fit in with your description of the two metals being melted? As I see it for any one who has. take what is left in the bottom of the pot to a refiner and they will refine it and pay you much more than you will get if you sell them whole. you have been rather shy in coming back with answers but you may come back on this one. Gold. I've carried out a literature search the results of which indicate that with the crucible furnace approach the temperature of the contents of the crucible must be such as to melt the precious metal under consideration for it to form a button of metal in the bottom of the mould. Carry out a large scale fire assay approach and add litharge to the flux mix. All metals give off varying degrees of toxic fumes during the smelting process.. Put this on an old gas barbecue with a side burner and heat it . The PbO is reduced to lead which acts as a carrier metal for the precious metals. Bob Keen . Zinc. This means it takes a crucible furnace that can melt bronze if you want to recover silver or gold but you need a special crucible furnace that can reach above the upper limit of iron to at least melt the palladium which would act as a carrier metal for platinum which melts at a higher temperature. 2008 . New Zealand August 22.Hi Chuck.truly DEADLY.. Different metals require different temperatures to melt/smelt/separate. Tin. or can build a crucible furnace capable of melting bronze your still in the picture. Some metals must undergo multiple smeltings to be purified to a level which makes "recovery/collection" feasible. All must be MELTED (smelted)to a liquid or semi-liquid state in order to separate it from all other metals/minerals/waste. Mercury. the acid will eat everything but gild and platinum metals . Platinum . Copper. Iron. then dissolve the lead (and the palladium will also go) out of the button with nitric acid leaving the platinum behind. REMEMBER this is very dangerous but it works Angelo C retired .St.Palmerston North. If any of you readers try this approach please report back on the minimum amount of litharge you can use and don't be so damn secretive. there is always danger in attempting to extract precious or semi-precious metal due to the heat and gas-release aspect. Steel. Sliver.
As an outsider having come in this subject with an impartial point of view and having reached a conclusion.. just curious . Keep up the good work. And further is it possible and feasible and cost effective? William Perry researcher . Mississippi August 26. Can anyone steer me in the right direction and method to obtain the elements that is inside the catalytic converter. 2008 I am trying to come up with enough platinum from an automobile's catalytic converters to build the stacks. Ted. foundry equipment. IF YOU ARE THINKING OF STEALING CATALYTIC CONVERTERS TO SELL FOR PROFIT. G'Day ! . you are truly a wise man replying calmly to a variety of wildly different and equally stupid comments in your own due time.. DON'T. Alabama October 27... 2008 Hi I have a reactor for leaching catalysts same catalytic convertors process is simple and .. let me say to others before they post: IF YOU ARE THINKING OF TRYING TO GET INTO THE PRECIOUS METALS EXTRACTION BUSINESS AS A SMALL TIME PERSONAL BUSINESS.and the ceramic that are found in cat converters. what a strange and interesting corner of the internet this is to have stumbled into.Jackson. It is a risky criminal venture and you'll be making probably about $50 off of it.e.Houston.West Blocton.. Texas October 13. There are easier ways to scrounge up fifty bucks.. Cheers Ian Vollers . This requires $millions..cathode and anode for a 7 kw solid oxide fuel cell to produce electricity. You can only profit from refining the platinum if you are set up to do it in a professional working environment. 2008 My. i. Forget it. rch Richard Howell . Like how to separate the platinum from the other elements. DON'T.
you form an extremely concentrated solution of acid initially.. and never the reverse. So Always Add Acid to water. FL...aluminum. U. splashing concentrated acid out of the container! If you add acid to water. Alaska . Some precious metals are obvious but. most discoveries are made from mistakes after all. 2008 Sorry folks had to say something on the subject. Petersburg. November 21.. Anyhow it's not anyone's place to say you shouldn't experiment with these suggestions. the solution that forms is very dilute and the small amount of heat released is not enough to vaporize and spatter it. I don't know how much of it is pure or not but I'm having a hard time finding a place i can sell to... DIGITAL SCALE $27.Lexington.effective recovery platinum is 97% in this process we load pacol catalyst about 15 KG then add sodium cyanide 60 liter 1% after 2 h and 160 c platinum and other precious metals dissolve we recover solution on anionic resin after burning resin we have pure platinum then this platinum purified. Iran November 12.hollis. Dennis Klabel peddler . I don't normally write on forums just read them. So much heat is released that the solution may boil very violently.. If you add water to acid. 2008 I was given some platinum shavings from my father in law.. Dave tupps . 2008 I need to find the device that is used to identify which precious metal I have acquired. So if you know where to acquire one. But I will say: DO NOT LISTEN TO Angelo C retired . If anyone knows of a place it would be most helpful. Travis Watkins ..K.Swansea. Wales..89 2h 00m View all disclaimer December 15. and zinc are hard for me to identify unless I already know what it is.St. Kentucky 6 ACID GOLD TEST KIT + PLUS ONE 600 GR. platinum.Esfahan.please reply.if not sorry for wasting your time.silver... NEVER ADD WATER TO ACID.. Mahmoodbeigi .
.. But Angelo is correct about the principle. NEVER ADD WATER TO ACID. The principle is that if a droplet of water is added to strong acid. New Jersey December 19. it may cause no problem. This has been done this way every week since the place opened in 1967." I completely disagree. Chris. 2008 "DO NOT LISTEN TO Angelo Casa retired . everyone should be allowed to experiment with these processes and perhaps learn a better way to extract these precious metals.com Brick.St. and never the reverse. the heat of liberation can be great enough to flash that droplet of water to steam and blow concentrated acid out of the mixing container. you form an extremely concentrated solution of acid initially. and then you'll never have a problem wondering whether the acid is weak enough to keep you out of trouble.December 21. Never been a problem with it.Neenah Wisconsin Hi. 2008 I must add that thus far. Once weekly. This isn't just book stuff. not the concentration.. Chris Jones . Most of the new questions have been answered farther back. I am only changing the volume of acid. this is called the heat of liberation. Now.E. If you add water to an acid which is already sufficiently diluted. the solution that forms is very dilute and the small amount of heat released is not enough to vaporize and spatter it. it's real stuff that has injured many people. When water and acid are mixed. simple or not.. Petersburg. splashing concentrated acid out of the container! If you add acid to water. So much heat is released that the solution may boil very violently. Regards.let's pretend I have a 5 gallon pail with 1 gallon of hydrochloric acid in it.. and it's the safe procedure to learn. . If you add water to acid. As for being informed and the morality of "stealing" a process.. Ted Mooney. So Always Add Acid to water. heat is produced. FL. I add another gallon of the same acid to the 5 gallon pail. I must fill a 55 gallon drum with 10 gallons of hydrochloric acid and then dilute with 45 gallons of water. you can have a situation where that droplet is surrounded by concentrated acid and as it begins to mix. I think that you should read up and lean the do and don'ts of the process but in the end. finishing.. at my place of employment. it seems that some haven't even read the whole forum. P.
2008 I thinking what most of the people want to know is if there is a complete prefabricated system we can buy and use to extract this metals. 2009 Ok I understand everybody's concern in the welfare of other's safety. 2008 Cats are worth about $50-75 when the scrap prices are good.. Canada December 31. Mike Brown .not the bio diesel one ) ? Fahd Mellal . Minnesota January 7... the cat is still worth something just not the full price. This makes the cats more valuable than they actually started off as and this discovery had been made some 30 years ago.Alberta.. if you can see through the end it is hollow. are found in these fuels and are released into the air upon burning. You may be doing a small favor to the environment.. (no good) also if you shake it it should not make a noise if it is full. in Monticello MN they have Integrated Recycling. they have the best cat prices. Good luck and be careful. Canada December 26. Some scrap yards try to pay you the minimum price ($5). adding to the cat's original metal content. I can understand but just cutting the cats open and the shipping all the insides to someone who is more trained and . but the refineries wouldn't be there unless it was absolutely worth it. even though the process is complex enough. Others that actually take into consideration about the money they will make off you. though. will pay 50-75 dollars. etc. as for half full half empty they are talking bout how much stuff is inside the cat. Lisa Harrison hobbyist . palladium.Ottawa. Think about it. some places even pay up to a hundred. do so. like the bio diesel making system . that I am responding is if you check up about gas and other such fossil fuel emissions. if it does. sell it for about $100 (where it just seems to be an old piece of junk) The gentleman had shown a tray of blackish powder and stated that its contents were platinum and palladium (mostly) and was worth over 3 million dollars. This is why you can buy a $200 cat and 5 years later. The cats actually catch these metal particles. you will learn that gold. Better to have the money in your pocket than someone else's. is there any companies who sell these system ? (the Metals recovering system . The process of extracting these materials was only partially aired on TV not too long ago where the spokesman of the company let slip that cats do the same filtering and collecting as his plant does through filtering emissions. You are in fact collecting these precious materials for someone else to make a lot of profit. Ontario.. platinum. If you can refine it yourself though the above mentioned process by the others. there are places all around Minnesota that buy old cats.Willmar..The real reason.
ask the scumbag thief if his/her life is worth getting caught. Thank You BRAD Bradley Kemp . make and model of their vehicle.Round Rock. change your policies to force sellers of catcons to provide their photo ID. 2009 I spent the time reading through every post that was made. In Seattle alone its a huge business stealing cats and from the looks of it its spreading all over the US. 2009 Hello all.Pittsburgh. But from what I have noticed is 75% of the people that were asking about which ones were worth more or demanding to know how to refine/extract the rare minerals out are the thieves. There was a lot of good info that was given and very helpful. Texas January 31. Food for thought: If you don't want to take the time to read these posts or want to learn then your setting yourself up for failure. as well as license plate number. and possibly take a photo of the seller to insure that they can be reached if it turns out they have been buying and selling stolen parts. BTW. I ran across this after the catcon was stolen from under my 4Runner whilst at the grocery store. Do not ask me if the catcon is worth someone's life. Michael Manning . rather. and I have heard of someone who has been hit 3 times.experienced with the right resources in this type of field sounds like a good idea to me. The thieves have been stealing from hard working people who may not really to be able to afford replacement parts. Pennsylvania January 17. Good luck . that someone seeking the "easy" (read that as idiot's) way to extract the precious metals is more than likely a thief. Just remember. This is becoming an epidemic. If you are a scrap dealer. If there is a way that I can do this please share. Mine was stolen yesterday while it was parked outside my apartment. and I know of many people in my area who will be protecting their vehicles with a shotgun. it is now legal in Texas to kill someone who is stealing from you. I am just curious to see what type of money can really be made I am never shy of a new business venture.
in time and research and experimentation and labor. That being said. So as this trend of catalytic converter theft continues to spread. Why? Because I paid for my education. and get the same results. Ted Mooney. Sorry that you were a victim of this theft. The bottom line is: There is no great mystery to metals refining and it is not hard. Once I tell the world that. I am not going to tell you how to refine the Platinum Group Metals (PGMs) either. P. 2009 Hi. we wouldn't print their inquiries :-) I reported earlier that my son. He noted that on some new models the converter can be removed with wrenches . I'm not going to use Ted's site to promote another. First. David. light. Second. Giving the fruits of that labor for free assigns no value to my work. Google it. there is a gold refining website I saw that tells you a lot more than I would have. I suggest learning chemistry well enough to know what is happening. and welding smoke to attract attention. The only way a small minority refiner can compete with larger more well heeled refiners is to have figured out a way to do the job smarter and cheaper. Also. we are editing postings that claim that particular converters are 'better' to get hold of than others. I can't take it anymore.E. There is so much confusion and disinformation in this thread I just had to say something. You can Google books on inorganic chemistry and just download .com Brick. Most people refining these metals don't have a clue as to the chemistry involved. They just do as they saw their boss do.no saw or torch.but that has changed. hadn't encountered catalytic converter theft -. 2009 Okay.Seattle Washington February 2. and that has made them targets (because thieves can rob them en masse from a car dealership with less noise. note that knowledge is power. We'll let specialty sites that carry more detail guide the readers on which converters are more valuable. because "better" can be code for "easier to steal".David Fiiola . a local cop. finishing. Regards. I put myself out of business. If we knew which posters (if any) were thieves. New Jersey February 5.
step by step method of doing this. HNO3). It's no more dangerous than plating or finishing. in the library more than 30 years ago and use a search engine to find the modern terms for the archaic ones he uses (Although we still use "aqua regia"). A Crucible and crucible furnace is all you need along with some borax and silica sand. you can refine it at room temperature.If you can't understand that then you're out of luck. There are many available online from the 1800s and early 1900s. (And the term reflux might confuse many). I am also going to suggest that all of you get rich quick guys.. For that matter. but not all contained. +++++++ The process to do so is known as carbochlorination and the simplified textbook definition of the process is as follows: . There are a few more needed steps you are not told . BTW the metals from fire refining will be nowhere near pure. You can get it easily and cheaply (free for electronics in most municipalities).. safely if you build your own scrubbers. There are other oxidizers. with cheap readily available chemicals. and then you have almost pure platinum and palladium. you NEVER need to use Cyanides or hydrofluoric acid. This is nonsense. it isn't even a process for PGMs.. This actually will get you some PGMs. or for Cat Con substrate. April 24. However this is a teaser. dry and heat to 500 C to remove impurities. So. ++++++ Recovery is dangerous and shouldn't be attempted by an untrained individual though. just a process someone tried to adapt to PGMs. 2008 Reflux the honeycomb in aqua regia (HCl. treat with Ammonium chloride. but I do want to help stop people from doing "stupid human tricks" in the mistaken belief they are learning something. This is not the ordinary way to do it. You should have the same level of knowledge and training needed for those. I don't plan on giving you a guide to how I make my living. evaporate. The best you will get is micro-beads embedded in flux. 2008 I too used to think like most of you until I talked to a gentleman who owns a bronze sculpture foundry.. strain the resulting solution and dispose of the ceramic. you would need a much more aggressive flux and the metals won't drop anyway.and read them. it is someone trying to find a new more complicated way to do it. Or read De Re Metallica. Why would you use silica sand to flux an aluminosilicate? With the low temp of a bronze furnace. As an aside. April 30. there is no simpler. Wha??? I don't know where to start on this one. I in turn found out the secret. from this point on I am going to go over these posts from the start and add input.. . The base metals also have value and will help you stay profitable. There are safer substitutes. without heat (or w/ slight solar) in plastic buckets and barrels. You also don't have to use Nitric acid. drop Cat Converters and concentrate on electronic scrap and low grade plated stuff. wash with HCl... as I did. Why reinvent the wheel? Forget this manner completely.
2008 . In a really bizarre case. dental lab. muriatic acid so you can mix them in the right amounts to make the acid that is needed to extract the metals.. along with a graphite crucible The crucible will not last long with those oxidizing fluxes and you will need an awful lot of flux.. and Sodium Nitrate to remove the impurities from the gold.. Period.. Chuck was the smartest and closest poster yet.after you dissolve the platinum you can recover it by filtering out the acid through a coffee filter. Electric kilns are not a good idea. In most of these posts no one has examined the question of what to do with it once you have refined it.. 2008 Carry out a large scale fire assay approach and add litharge to the flux mix This melt will take hours to drop the metals. You just told everyone to mix an acid with itself to extract.. Therefore your goal is not to produce absolutely pure metals. 2008 I am going to explain the easiest way to do this. Borax. Silica flour. Fumes and smoke. July 14. He will take his cut. 2008 And by the way if your still wanting to try it all your selves.here. The reason you refine your metals is to separate them so you can't be beaten in an assay or weighing. August 21. In a jewelry melt it will not separate the silver or palladium. in the end. I agree: you're no rocket scientist. platinum and palladium and saved a filtrate of silver chloride (and maybe some mercury and lead chloride).. Could you use these same chemicals when melting jewelry? This is for fire refining. . But he points you in the right direction. you dumped the gold. July 22. Melt ceramic in a ceramic pot? How about melting ice in a block of ice? Chemically pure nitric acid? What is that? Water makes the acid work? Trust me.use a combination of these five chemicals Manganese Dioxide.. commercial (technical) nitric will work very vigorously without adding water. Unless you have an end user (caster. The lead fumes will get you an EPA summons. June 13.. but simply highly purified metals. 2008 . you might also have saved tin on the filter. there's the rub. won't be pure enough for a plater) you will. gold appears as a white powder on the filter Hope you didn't dump all that funny yellow green colored solution after you kept your "white powder on the filter"... August 8..where is this guy? The EPA will lock your ass up. However keep in mind that it can be extremely dangerous if you are not constantly paying attention.I was thinking of using an electric kiln capable of 2300 F. Chuck? Chuck's method as listed is claptrap. People.. If so. . fluoride. depending on how you used your nitric.Where do you sell your gold when your done? Ah. then you will need hydrochloric acid. July 4. still be selling to a refiner. You will not get pure precious metals with fire refining. 2008 Perhaps the key to it is the flux's that Chuck uses! Any comments. let's all just assume this guy is joking. .
. Gary Wilson . platinum.You will spend more money on fuel and litharge than you will make in PGMs. what do you do to recover the palladium? August 22. I also found the chemistry itself to be fascinating. platinum. and a set of test needles. Gary. are found in these fuels. For the other metals. and during the sulfuric acid treatment of the petroleum. a test stone. . 2008 All must be MELTED (smelted)to a liquid or semi-liquid state in order to separate it from all other metals/minerals/waste.. check this website for posts on testing the various metals. you will learn that gold. that I am responding is if you check up about gas and other such fossil fuel emissions. Do your research first.. Examining the slag under a microscope. you will still see metal beads that didn't drop. NO ONE inquiring should ever touch cyanide. Hydro-metallurgy is. Good luck guys. October 27. Get a test kit from a jewelers supply company. Some precious metals are obvious but. The metals in the exhaust are from your engine parts wearing and oxidizing and blowing past the rings via the oil. that was quite an exposition! Regards. The metals in the fuels would be captured in the asphalt tailings left from distillation. 2008 The real reason. If you dissolve the lead and palladium. The slag will be loaded with lead and illegal to dump except as a hazardous waste.Mount Vernon. This sounds like an Eco Urban Myth to me. as far as efficiencies and techniques. 2008 I need to find the device that is used to identify which precious metal I have acquired. Wrong. December 19. New York February 12. Nothing NEEDS to be melted until you are ready to make it into a bar. and zinc are hard for me to identify unless I already know what it is. palladium. 1 bottle of nitric. Pyro-metallurgy is not the way for the small operator to go. November 21. I received a lot of enjoyment in refining by making little discoveries no one else had. set up safely. and have fun on your projects. silver. aluminum. Or get the test stone and the empty bottles and make your own. though. 1 bottle of nitric plus table salt. 2008 in this process we load pacol catalyst about 15 KG then add sodium cyanide From what I have seen from the posts here. etc.. 2009 Thanks.
increased hazard and risk.E. I will get more for my time and less potential lose to my health. or 99. and so on.e.g. separate the honeycomb.com Brick.Medford. and will cut into your profits significantly. The methods that Chuck suggested in heating will probably work if you have a better understanding of this process than I do. P.99% pure. I appreciate the knowledge of others who are looking to recover platinum from cats. The chemical process seems to be the best. the more your potential buyer is going to expect you to prove the purity. Now even if you've spent the money to get your Pt assayed. with larger batches comes larger setup and equipment costs. I have played with acids (hydrofluoric) and others and created more problems than I started with in the "simple" recovery of gold from rock. California March 27. 2009 EASY MONEY. who's going to buy it? Most of . Scott Myers . finishing. This generally means getting a representative sample of your batch assayed. Right? Hello. 4 nines purity. one of which I will expand on: how to sell the metal once it's purified.Ted Mooney. resulting in a certificate of analysis. The more valuable a metal is. I have also tried to smelt the gold from my cons using a furnace and flux. but with my limited desire to play with extremely or mildly dangerous chemicals and also stay alive I will skip this.Sacramento. I am not stupid nor a scientist. Good luck to any one who wants to do this in their garage. I am going back to primitive for gold recovery and will let the professionals do their thing with the platinum. Going to an assay lab to get a single sample assayed is not cheap. make your batch really big. Typically the prices that you find online for semi-precious and precious metals are for a specific grade . and your assay cost per kilo drops. If your metal does not meet the grade. But. again more problems. Gary Wilson has made some excellent points. Here is where economies of scale come in. 2009 The company I work for refines semi-precious metals to semiconductor grade (7 nines). 2009 i smelted my catalytic converter with a torch and got a silver metal of about the size of 4 quarters i was wondering what type of metal it is thanks yev yevgeniy ganchenko hobbyist. . New Jersey February 12. Oregon March 4. you will NOT get anywhere near top dollar. I think if I cut the cats.
. you will be able to sell your metal to someone out there. After reading this entire thread.shorinternational. ( www. does anybody have any experience with the iShor system. but if you don't have access to the customers who can and will pay top dollar. In fact they're trying to tell you what you NEED to hear .British Columbia. Canada ---Ed.the companies we deal with cannot buy from just anyone .you think there's some sort of conspiracy afoot simply because no one is telling you what you WANT to hear.you've never heard of PPE. my advice to some of you is that you shouldn't bother trying to extract the Pt yourself if: . It would seem the obvious and safest way would be to salvage the converters and store the guts of them into a drum for resale at a later date. Yes. you won't likely get top dollar. has anyone tried to zone refine Pt? Thanks. or brain surgery can be explained in a simplistic step-by-step fashion via a blog. for the informative site.you think a complex process such as Pt-extraction.com) if so what were you results? Thanks Glenn Glenn Burry . 2009 Hi Ted. I too am interested in refining Plat. The easiest money.you don't know the difference between a gram and an ounce. I plan to return . It's cleaner. By the way.you're just not listening. note: if you're looking for entertainment in the dialogs.hopefully I'll find an equally entertaining thread to read! Al E . but leave the refining for someone else. easier. Concentrate the Pt. and won't cost yours or your family's health.you don't know what a fume hood is. My question is.Ted 12044 :-) March 30. . .Glovertown NL Canada April 4. would be to follow the advice of Dale R.you have to be a qualified supplier or have a quality management system in place (in other words ISO certification). Ted.you don't know the difference between HCl and muriatic acid. Al. my all-time favorite is letter -. . in my opinion. . I have read through this entire thread as some others have. 2009 .
From eBay. The old man made an offer. from Karat percentages. (He paid one woman more than 70%. to Kitco. price of gold. a watch movement). had trouble moving. or they might haggle for a few minutes. the old man said no. He weighed the material (necklaces. I witnessed at least six transactions with actual customers. The seller sat in a chair for a full 30 minutes! He made a few calls on his cell. from Platinum to Gold to Silver to Rhodium to Palladium. to flame assay. A "gold buyer" bought two laptops. On Friday. That simple. if there were other items in the weight (stones. coins. With no malice at all. etc. car. because she had a sick child with her. up until this moment. I read about alchemy. sell amounts based over spot. I was interested. watches. to other acids. to filters. then told the man that if he left the offer would be void. At that point. computers being my own acquired skill. He said those types of things come back to you. repeatedly.) The customer would either accept the price. etc.). and they shook hands with an air of respect. based on karats of course. junk. because of low corrosion. upped it by $100 once. I have spent the last five hours of my life. kept others. but a necessity for something else. or other factors. in the processors. the discovery of Pt. he stone tested it with acids. whether the customer might come back. I must admit. I left with him at the end of the day. That lead me to extraction. I even spent a good ten minutes a good ten minutes on Tantalum. he had the gold packed up. to aqua regia. and said that he was driving over to his dealer. deny it. to what might be in Grandma's drawer. One customer had a 135 grams between a bracelet and a watch.This has been fascinating! I work on computer systems for small offices. bullion. it seemed as though he is no longer working out of a necessity for money. From breaking up the parts first. a router. to the . and help him set up a simple Excel spreadsheet for the weight/karat/price calculations. based on 55% to 70% of spot. He used a calculator to reduce the weights to actual gold content. Judging by the equipment. to grams to ounces. he once used a very expensive looking specific gravity machine because he wasn't sure about a piece. That's the business. Pentiums not so much. to sell at 90% of spot. from contracts to futures. glued to the laptop. potentially wasting a beautiful Saturday afternoon. 486s are good. He sold the gold. the gold is in the contacts. from refiners to traders to storage facilities. ambiance. and wireless printer from me last week for his new location. He was an old man. He literally begged to be able to leave and check a few places. from buy amounts based on spot. from bullion and bars to coins and jewelry. While there. I was hooked. depending on quality. to Monex. and it's heavier than Pt!!! :) Of course I then ended up at "retrieving gold from computer parts". I installed the equipment. etc. or spread the word to others. then he quoted a price. sometimes on the PCBs. While working this morning I constantly got sidetracked searching for gold ounce. etc. rejected some. Did you prospectors know this is used in cell phone capacitors.
But still. reports of thefts. Then to American. based on brute force or labor.philosopher's stone. To quote another poster "quite an unusual an interesting corner of the internet". even 90s are good. industry articles. I found myself at the client's office at 3 pm on a Saturday. so the Nazis wouldn't steal them. The barrage of questions never ended. was the surprise of the day. Eventually. You can't ask the questions: How do I trade futures? How do I open a bank? How do I transplant a heart? How do I program a computer? etc. it might never end. I attempted to talk about languages. Some people have taken the time to acquire them. 70s. pre-cors also have value. I figured if I opened this can of worms. and my work was done. but I didn't have the time to teach. and presented again after WWII. I have never spent this much time reading a forum. based on sales and networking. 60s. a few weeks ago. is an understood human condition. to his credit. who is the son of one of my clients. I was speechless. after markets no good. And I never post. graphic and sound files. or based prior family success just don't seem understand this. Did you know that the Nobel peace prizes for two Danes were dissolved in Aqua Regia. then extracted. Not ever in recent memory. He had his home computer hooked up. acquired skill sets. based on a limited skill set. With hopeful eyes he asked "How can I make a game like Warcraft?" He looks up to me as knowledgeable. automotive sites. he couldn't sit at a computer and even start. The son was there. He reminded me of myself when I was his age. What? Catalytic Converters? This of course led me to junkyards. multiple skill sets required. Acquired skill sets are a unique tool. and. or just have. I would see this young man every couple of weeks. but not as good after that. they were getting more insightful. Foreign. The basic frustration of not JUST BEING TOLD HOW. People who earn. They were stored on a shelf for ten years. . I love Ted's well mannered and well thought out mediations. People whose work is repetitive. I started to feel bad. (spring break. Which. Somewhere in the mix of gold extraction. others have not. I came across cats. he loves computers like me. understand this. recast. I was asked the last question several months ago by a young 14 year old boy. The alchemists were great. even amongst all this great information. That's how I found this site in my searches.
from the last position of the image. After three to six months. real estate is tough right now). Three hours later he had a still picture of a little man. of less than 1 gram of Pt. I imagine I can figure this out with experimentation. As with my friend above. If you've got a hundred or so. There was a small laser sound that the kid made into the microphone below the monitor. 1 to 3 weekends a month. The Pt is the reward. so I sat down. For those that aren't acquainted. strip the core yourself (I am a fairly well acquainted with light contracting and auto repair. read some more. Guys and Gals. Just keep them for a minute. That is the most profitable position in the supply chain that you can put yourself in with the lowest risk and knowledge. and I can't wait to see what he's come up with. that when pushed prints "Hello World!". etc. We downloaded Paint Shop Pro. After reading for a couple of weekends. I don't necessarily want you to tell. I would fail miserably. filters. and a trial copy of Visual Studio. I'd probably be able to extract a small globule. I started him off with a one-button form. My conclusion from today is that the best method of profiting from cats. This is not a discipline that will net you profit in the short term. that gives the human motivation to develop skill. recorded with Goldwave and incorporated into Visual Studio. watching.). end up with something I don't know what to do with. and maybe finishing up with beers and pizzas. but a small price to pay when put in perspective. that was played when the bullet fired. I taught. Goldwave (for sound). I'd rather spend a couple weekends learning. I just might buy a couple books on hydro-metallugry. It's like a small bank account. if only you were local. acids. I would then humble myself. bowls. contributing. maybe make a few posts. and a small bullet that fired when the space bar was pushed. This would be at the end of what would have become an . The only casualty is that Dad will probably have to buy the full version of Visual Studio. He did it all. I had some time. and set up a table in the driveway. a few scrapes on my knuckles and forearms. and collect the honeycomb/beads. upset the girlfriend. etc. you should have seen the look on this kid's face. The skill acquired if actually successful.and he had to go into the office with his dad everyday. and trailed off the screen. is to buy them right. pick up an old kitchen hood for sure. His father said he hasn't left the computer since! I'm sure we'll have another session. it is the enticement of reward. a couple higher grade saw blades. To those of you here that have such skills. whether you actually end up with enough to be profitable is almost moot. I never touched the keyboard. moving around the screen at the command of the arrow keys. contact a refiner. maybe a good vise. that is often considered the ceremonial start of every programmer's career. and the true point of the journey. do some more searches. In the meantime. I would venture outside and try to extract from a core. It felt great. Even the academic license is over $300. is far more valuable. I might spend a couple hundred on buckets. socializing.
Ted. But. the amount recovered might justify my streamlined process. After another three to six months. and patient men. to train the mind. (or woman) PLENTY of wonderful women in science. programming. time-consuming process. permanent endeavor. I hope I have accomplished my goal.Louisville. That's how acquired skill works. 2 Lexus LS400). just to use it in a weekend to make a buck. and very satisfying KNOWLEDGE. SKILL. 2009 I have honeycomb material from several used converters. computer boards. I will have acquired some very valuable.. and EXPERIENCE. You can't cheapen the knowledge acquired by great scientists. It would be able to consistently extract metal from beads. but I really hope you include this. and networking. and is there a typical amount expected (1 Honda. acquired skill. I'd spend even more time on this. etc.eight to fifteen step tedious.. the learning tempers the spirit. California . Where can I have it sent for processing. it won't be as much fun. I would have a reasonable set of beginner hydro-metallurgy skills. try more variations. Jason Jegge buyer . The old man knows gold and jewelry. you have to put in the time. gold plated jewelry. "Give me a chopper pilot program Tank!" But trust me. the difference wouldn't justify the TOTAL labor. six to nine months total. hard workers. By being patient. I have attempted to address a theme that is central to this thread. over time. combs. No matter what. it's just that it doesn't work that way..EUREKA!!!! It would feel great! I'd be damn proud of my little gram of Pt! I'd step up my efforts. unless I chose this as a new. I think I'll find that if I just sold my cores I would have made enough money.San Jose. It's not that people don't want to tell you. In the end. and people! I know small office computers. Perhaps one day the Matrix programming disks will be available. deliberate. gold filled jewelry. and creates responsibility. It is quite the reverse.. the man will make himself wealthy. Kentucky April 6. I would be able to justify the labor and materials required for the profit. But. Some of the people on this forum know metallurgy. read more. Ross Lerner . At that point. and acquiring skill over time. S. attentive. We only have time for so many. I know you have a position against ad hominem posts. time and materials. It has to be acquired. There is just as much joy in And more importantly.
Get the neighborhood kids over to the house and tell them the cat is a pinada. Atlantico. If you have a yard with a tree cast a rope around a heavy branch and tie up the cat. Colombia April 30. I wonder how expensive will it be.April 18. maybe I've been breathing too many cc fumes but it is close and has a lot of the elements. Once the cat has been ruptured tell them to pick up all the metal that falls out and place in the bucket for recovery. to have your own arc-furnace? Can this be done in your backyard? Thank you. thanks bec becky wilhelm car business . Virginia May 5. 2009 Hi. dissolve with sulfuric acid and the precious metals will be left behind. Alonso Borrero hobbyist . After many months of experimenting with acids I have finally recovered some gold from electronic scrap. 2009 i have read all of the forums but I have yet to understand where do you sell them !!!! i live in NC and i am still trying to understand who do i sell to a refinery or a recycler.I was actually looking up information for symptoms of a clogged catalytic converter (cc) & since I usu. I see it basically at present like this: if looking in the long term no ones goals really contradict unless they are destructive what I mean is that if you are a small business person (who I admire) you might want to have your work trademarked. patented or copyrighted etc for a time being to enjoy the fruits of your labor and opt .newton North Carolina May 13. but also and just as important is the freedom of information point I'd like to share.Springfield. If they are disappointed that there was no candy tell then the next Cat you are going to hang has the candy. reasonably cheap means to extract the Precious Metals from the Cat. After reading this though I have a real practical question. look pretty thoroughly I eventually found a site that says one probably could sell the cc if replacing so then I decided to look up selling cc and found this. Best to all Bob Bayle government . you should smelt the whole "catcon" in an electric arc-furnace with scrap steel. which after page one I was hoping the pages wouldn't go too fast but now I have to get back to my original task of troubleshooting my car but have been sucked into this post this is to me a microcosm of everything people have been discussing since Plato and beyond. granulate the new alloy. 2009 I have found the perfect. 2009 Hello and here's my 2 cents (which if smelted or melted or schmelted is not as much as two cents from a century ago but I digress) . Will it be possible to recover pgm's from catalytic converters? I've read that. Repeat these steps until all precious metals have been retrieved.Barranquilla. Provide each kid with a steel bar and have them take turns beating on the cat.
we have to expose the weaknesses so we can brainstorm not hide them.I understand that.and a lot of people have shared a lot of information. There is a not so intelligent person who works with said family member who has been able to refine and extract such metals. also I may be a good golfer and share secrets but you'll still never get it till you practice anyways so I would really have no fear in sharing those but I guess we can all agree to disagree and any experience with HHO gas torches to extract metals.it would be basic 6th grade or 3rd grade science and we'd probably be exploring for platinum on other star systems because if the new learner always got to learn from all the mistakes from the teacher (I'll say) then their time could be cut and they would have new mistakes not yet made to learn from and so on.. Anyway.lead by example like Ted .Sarasota. just look at the examples of software and computer viruses etc open source is a good thing and hiding information is actually more destructive and is only a mirage of safety which is actually more destructive. 2009 My brother-in-law works in such a refinery. have been a little knowledge hungry and may bite the hand that feeds however most are not. and the money they make is also going to the benefit of the economy and who knows potentially but it does require the teacher to be an anode to the cathode but they wouldn't mind so much if they also got to learn from others that made their steps easier and like I said it in the long run I think is always better. and I have to hand it to you guys. All that said I do understand the market and patents etc so it is up to the individual of course and information cannot be forced to be shared and people should have incentive however we all could be driving hydro cars and be energy independent and have other newer and unknown issues yet to be discovered if we were more long term seers. unless you have the equipment to do around 1200 converters at one time it is not worth it. Thomas Key . and he claims that for the trouble it is worth. you would know it if you seen it.not a lot. well they might be the ones who might be more interested so they would know they might be more of a victim Taking that post down I think is just conceding to that fear in the back of our minds of trying to please everybody . Think of it this . and another example goes to taking off the posts which displayed what cars have better value for their cc so they are not as much of victims. From what I've read I think that using a HHO gas torch may be a good way to get those high temperatures in a safe way what does anyone think? You can look up easily HHO torches they get really hot and cool really fast and they are real just like oxy or butane the flame itself is only 259 F but when in contact with other metals can get up to 10.. chemically or by heat you are looking into getting into a lot of money.000 degrees and more. If you have ever seen this mans garage. Most people would not know it. Ted you are doing a good job and I also have enjoyed your thoughtful approach. it's laid out pretty straightforward here. and tools used for separating metals. what are you going to do . Some . it looks like a ghetto factory. also the other side of the coin (I did say my two cents lol) if people from a young age and all through history shared information and it was accessible to everyone we may not even be having this discussion . in their own way and it is informative I mean I don't expect anyone to actually hand me a free cc now.full free information always (in the long term maybe not the short) has unanimous good results and do not contradict each other that is why a country like the USA has prospered and why secretive ones stay stagnant and dark but I am looking at things in decades not days . converters have came up in conversation. I must add. but you go into buying some of the materials. Florida July 10.
then be our guest you already have enough money to not really need to extract the precious metals. possibly even everyone around you. I am only a 29 year old Well Driller.000 payout for your customers that you will be having to buy said converters from. MDMA.way.. Around my area everyone swears to the idea that you can use a smelting pot to separate the metals in a converter. but also would not be a constant resource for them to rely on for buying said materials.Fayetteville. The weekend after that you will most likely end up with your substance in pure form. anyone could do it with enough effort. DO NOT try using chemicals that you don't understand. LSD.1500 degrees would not just turn these metals directly to liquid? These are not lead fishing weights people. These were step by step instructions and I guess that the chemistry and knowledge involved is way more complicated than purifying metals out of catalysts. If it was so cost effective to do it in such small amounts. if you really think you have all of the money to get into something like this from a dead start. right? I am now moving on to find the Candlestick TNT blog I was speaking of earlier.000 dollars for the basic materials and equipment. . North Carolina July 13.. The trouble that our friend had was that there is no one who is respectively going to buy said metals from a person. And I am sure you 3 know who you are.. Not all metals work that way. amphetamines. your going to have even more tied up into it it when someone finds out what your doing because of the danger that your putting other stuff in. who not only does not know what they have. you can see them especially good at night. it would seem that every town would have 15 or so of the places. no qualification. and I know a clown walking across a yard with a stick swearing there is water under a patch of dry sand when I see one. especially with no knowledge. etc. at this point your just wanting a grown child's chem lab in your back yard. and techniques used to extract said metals would not really be cost effective unless you had a bunch of them to do at one time ( kind of hints to why they have giant refinery places to do such things ). So far on this whole thread I think I have only seen about 3 people that remotely know what they are talking about.. No knowledge required. You spent one weekend looking up the terms and chemicals and understanding the process. maybe around 1. Next thing I know I am going to see one of the names from this thread swearing they can make sticks of TNT from a candle and gunpowder with chewing gum. Please use your head for something more then a hat rack people. not to mention that you have to have a safe place to set up said refinery.. some of this stuff can get dangerous. do you really think that exhaust at like 900 . If smelting in a pot would separate the metals. and it seems like everyone that was there at the time came to the same conclusion... Joel Langford . 2009 There used to be instructions online spanning over several pages on how to synthesize illicit drugs. we will say 15. Please for your safety and the those around you. We joked about it at his house over a few " select beverages ". the correct value of what they have. ever seen a clogged converter? They get red hot under a car. Don't seem to much harder then flipping a burger. the other weekend you will be preparing and organizing the equipment and the most difficult part will be to actually obtain the chemicals.
It's somewhat a pity. Dustin B . really. every word. Other than taking a tweezer to it is there any other way to separate it? Terrance Miller . grinder.Berlin. But after reading the entire post (yes.Murfreesboro.). that first sculpture. Iowa ---Ed.. the site's supporting advertisers must be running out of patience being asked to pay the costs of posting other people's ads :-) July 16. Ross Lerner's wonderful contribution. 2009 I have a machine that extracts the pgm's from catalytic converters and it is not the easiest to do It takes a lot of time a nice facility to work in but if you seen the machine you would laugh and call me a liar. and whether or not it would be possible to render the ceramics containing these metals into a powder form to use as a mix in a firing glaze for pottery.. As said before.Earlham. Tim Mooney Timothy Mooney .. 2009 I was going to ask a simple question about the CONTENT of precious metals in "cats".. It will be an interesting experiment.. Andreas Borchert . Tennessee July 13. a straight and simple instruction would devalue the skills and knowledge required to write it. If you are trying to sell this knowledge. kiln and iron pot shall suffice. with the right combination of chemicals and temperature the pgms get get pulled out onto carbon plates.. My hammer. My only problem is a lot of the honeycomb broke in pieces as fine as the platinum flakes. 2009 I put a hole in a catalytic converter I found while picking up trash(honestly). . Germany July 13. . I simply want to thank you for your patience and learned knowledge. Dustin. The honeycomb had to be cracked to come out but it came out with the platinum flakes... and S. please tell us what the right temperature and combination of chemicals is. I have ground my own pigments for my paints for forty years. please take an advertisement . its just PVC tubs and clear 3/4 inch hose with a battery charger [link is to product info at Amazon] and a small pump. Tennessee .The problem will never be to actually do it. but how to get there. when I could. and am only now venturing into the new world of three-dimensional earthen-ware art.Talbott. note: If you do not consider it secret knowledge.
Castor Marconi . Do you oxidize and dissolve the metal and then reduce it somehow and collect it that way. I received a follow-up phone call and I just told them that I was using the chemicals to extract platinum from catalytic converters. 2009--"Pyro-metallurgy is not the way for the small operator to go. Hydro-metallurgy is". gold and platinum can be dissolved in aqua regia. New York August 3. Are there any other solvents able to dissolve these noble metals? Also. or do you just melt it down? What seems best? February 5. what is the process of extracting platinum from catalytic converters that have been discussed thus far. God bless. Steven Smith . I forget). If in case the platinum is infused or trapped in the other materials of the cat. then I would pulverize .. My question is: How is the price of converters defined? I would appreciate any help. HNO3 is harder to manufacture though.New York. Just collect Cl gas at one end and H gas at the other (cathode or anode. Eljon Ago hobbyist .July 28. mix with a small amount of water (in a glass container of course) and you should get it at the 37% concentration. Indiana August 14. California July 30. HCl is relatively easy to make by electrolysis of Salt water.Red Bluff.I am kind of stuck because i am not sure what price is good for each catalytic converter. 2009 This is what I would do. I would put it in a furnace for melting metals and I would leave it in there until all the platinum has melted off and dripped into a place where it could collect. 2009 Ordering the chemicals is not so difficult.. I checked Wikipedia and it's a 3 step process. 2009 So. Makes sense!!! Hey what are the other safer oxidizing agents you are talking about. Those 3 should cover the aqua regia.Bloomington. I was also looking into the possibility of making my own chemicals when reaching a large scale operation. 2009 I'm interested in recycling catalytic converters. This is theoretical though.
Over time the metals do come out of the exhaust and onto the road. As Ted stated a few months back.. UK September 15.. It all gets melted. Now look at rhodium that melts at 3567 F and Platinum somewhere around 3215 F. Bretto from the Ghetto. Simple.6 L and the cat will need to refine the exhausted fumes in larger portion. Steel and ceramic have a much lower melting point. and listen to Ted. 2009 After reading some of the responses on the site.Sac. Cats do contain a few precious metals as we have learned here. California September 3. Just heat will not suffice for the separation of materials. The value is determined by how much the cat would usually contain. When a car is sold new it must pass omission regulations set by the government. Ray Soriano . I feel there a few people here that lack the understanding of how a cat works and why. I would guess people on here want a list of vehicles so they can go out tonight with a hack saw. All you guys just take a tip from me. These catalytic converters contain little to no precious metals. aftermarket converters are not regulated.. Now lets look at the vehicle.Hastings. figure that out then ask the questions. I think it highly unlikely that a torch would melt any of these materials..the material first to allow the platinum to melt freely into a high heat resistant container. 2009 I was in scrap metal recycling/reclamation years ago as a family business in the UK and cats were not around then but I know from experience how costly it is to extract these metals. and only recently have started looking at metal prices again. ZenTed as I will call him! I have never been so deeply engrossed with a forum in the 12 years I have been with internet! I gave up metals in the 1980s to follow my other preoccupation of music composition. Now for the scrap value. The amount of . a large US made truck with a 6L engine will emit more o2 into the atmosphere than a small Honda with a 1.. I think that it doesn't take any more than a little commons sense to get the platinum. right? Find out if there are any laws to abide by in melting it. its AFTERMARKET. Top marks to Ted for keeping this forum on a level footing. happy reclamations xxx Brett Ross . Now a new truck sells for around $35.. Maybe you might have to comply to laws about not releasing fumes into the atmosphere or something. why can we buy a cat for $60 when they are worth more.000+ so at that price a manufacturer can afford to spend a little money to manufacture a cat that will last and be efficient. i must say that some people just lack common sense.
Use ceramic bakery bowl . Top dollar is around $100 . I have an 02 Silverado and it has 2 cats rather than the 1 cat in older vehicles.precious metals is very little and whoever on here said there is as much as 2 oz of metal needs to show me those cats! at somewhere around $1800 an ounce scrap. This isn't a lucrative business and more for the person who lives off $100 a week. 1) Roast ground biscuit at 500 C in old kiln ($100 US . Everyone has to make a profit in the process so you will never get the $3600 out of it unless you have the pure metal in your hand. you can spend an hour under there without the risk of getting noticed. Another thing to think about is now scrap dealers want a title to the vehicle it came off of and an ID before they will buy a converter. Before we all rush out and start hacking cats off our neighborhood cars. a sawzall will get it done quickly but is VERY noisy. Crawling under a vehicle.$150. Nathan Bastings . The reason for the theft is because its a high and easy return and low risk. The you will find that most of the older GM trucks have the cat removed already and a straight pipe in place.. The older trucks did not have 02 sensors so the first thing a truck owner did for a modification was remove the cat that restricted airflow.. the 2 oz cat would probably net you $800 at a scrap yard. Its no secret that older GM cats (about the size of a muffler) can get you top dollar at a scrap dealer. 2009 Easy Peasy Tame Aqua regia extraction of PGM blacks (Pd. scrap dealers and "car guys" have known cats are worth something so why is this so new to everyone else? And for the idiot on here that said he wanted to resell them.Norfolk. an AFTERMARKET cat will get you a whopping $2-$5!! Ford usually $40-$60 and Dodge around $30-$60. It is also illegal to sell a vehicle without a cat and most of the time a dealer wont take a trade on one without it. Hope this helps to enlighten some of the "lets get rich quick" people on here and shows its not smart to try to steal them. Why?? more power and better fuel economy (and it makes it louder too!).ebay) 2)1 part biscuit(wt) 1 part HNO3 (vol) 3 parts HCL (vol) 3)Room temp 3 to 7 days until max colour in AR and biscuit white. they are light weight and untraceable. Oh and o2 sensors contain the precious metals as well!! But you need about 50 pounds of them to make a reasonable amount of money off of them. it is illegal to sell a used cat. Cats contain a FRACTION OF AN OUNCE of precious metals which lightly coats its ceramic contents (honeycomb or beads). Then you take your cats to a dealer and its quick cash. Rh) from catalytic converters. This means that my 2 cats contain less metals together than 1 of the older and larger ones. think of the effort involved! Have you ever tried to crawl under a car with a hack saw and cut the 3" steel pipe? It doesn't take minutes. it takes a good half hour. Pt. Virginia September 19.
8)Neutralise to pH 2. Gold requires AR for dissolution but nanoparticles will dissolve in 2N HCL (Papers by Dr. I find the the PGM blacks can be more rapidly settled onto the bottom of . I decan cat cons within 10 min. Note 6. Wash residue with more water & decant when clear into following batch. 10)Acidify to pH 1. 11) Decant and transfer PGM blacks plus some Zn to 2 l beaker (ebay $10 US approx) 12)Add 1 liter 2N HCL.5 h.Pestal a 51/2 foot 1 inch dia iron rod welded to a 81/2 inch long 21/2 inch dia iron rod . Continue to stir off & on for a further 30 min.Mortar 13 inch dia pipe 12 inch high welded onto a square iron base. It is not a rag to riches method of making money. many high mileage cats only contain a gram of PGM blacks.If a blockage I ram through the handle of my 19 lb pestal which clears the blockage instantly.its like drilling into butter. It only takes 10 min to grind in my mortar & pestal. Bob Keen . New Zealand Addendum to Easy Peasy AR method PGM blacks are weakly paramagnetic.5 approx or until orange brown ppt dissolves leaving a black sediment. ebay refers to New Zealands Trademe which is virtually equivalent. 16) Find a precious metal dealer who will buy PGM blacks.local discount shop $2. I drill a dozen or so holes with a 12 mm x 400 mm masonry drill (made in China. you need to know your cats. from local hardware store $12 US for card of 3) .wt 19 lb. Stir ceramic spoon. Huge volumes of very toxic gas are released which strip all leaves off nearby vegetation and will kill nearby caged animals. stir until evolution of H2 ceases and then leave over night. Note 3.Using a long stout screw driver & hammer as lever & chisel I can quickly break biscuit up and empty out the pieces. 15) A number of extraction can be carried out simultaneously. made in china. Cover glass plate. Chris Anderson Massey University NZ) therefore it is not unreasonable to find that AR will dissolve the PGM nanoparticles in cat. No fumes released. Note 4. Step 3 can be carried out in a crock pot at simmer temp over 4 . Stir 2X daily ceramic spoon (ebay $6 US) 4)Stir in urea to neutralize HNO3 (until fizzing stops) 5) Pour all in 20l tall narrow plastic pail & make up to 121 approx with rain water. cons.dry in oven. 14)Transfer small beaker. Note 1.5 approx with soda ash (Na2CO3)( little pH meter off ebay $20 US) 9) Add Zinc Pdr ( from ebay).Leave overnight and a lot of excess Zn will dissolve.5 US.30 min. 13) Wash twice and decant with rain water. Note 5. 3 rounded teaspoons (1 kg biscuit originally used)added slowly with stirring over 15 . Best of luck to those that try this method. Note 2. Bob Keen Retired Principal Scientist(NZDRI) Palmerston Nth New Zealand.121 vol. carefully pour off excess water.Palmerston Nth. 6) Leave over night for sediment to settle 7) Decant into 20l plastic bucket. I currently get paid $60 NZ after a $150 NZ analysis is carried out in Hong Kong.
. but it could be small scale and a small investment. like • Control of electrolyte formulation and pH (a measure of acidity or alkalinity) • Control of electrical conditions • Control of temperature And a bunch of warnings like "don't drink the electrolyte". I never bought it.Oklahoma City. some knowledge. and available to those who make a contribution to the site. the chance of blowing yourself up. 2009 getting platinum is so easy. and now it's hard to find.the plastic pails and beakers by placing a very strong..so i gathered all the material and got a 5 gal bucket and put a window screen over it and placed the material on the . Steve Cerny ... it would have to have all the "secrets"... add a (small) pure Platinum cathode.. After some profit. At the risk of sounding stupid (and not wanting to start a new thread). AND pass an IQ test.. even small (or large) pure Platinum cathodes. diversify. and make more of a profit by producing electroplated auto. Oklahoma October 13. Maybe a contribution. Just my 4:01 AM thoughts after reading these 4 pages. james carlon . jewelry. September 24. Or stay small. a Copper anode (I guess).i extract the platinum for making jewelry.. uh. medical (things).once i got through i found a strange honey comb and a paper like substance that was full of tiny pieces of platinum.all i did was use a saw to cut through the metal... but I'm finally at the end. Of course. The how-to with photos and directions could be put into a PDF file. etc. and for some. would it be easier to dump the beads/flakes into a gallon glass jar of electrolyte.. and hook them up to a controller/battery/solar panel? I know there would still be chemicals. North Carolina September 27. new/better equipment the backyard scrap dealer could expand..hillsborough. I bought a very large ceramic magnet off ebay for $8. Great site! "I'll be back". There used to be a book from Lindsey's by Carr (I think). 2009 is there a way i can "cook" the platinum out at home and how hot would the heat have to be... fumes. airplane. large ceramic magnet under the bottom of the holding vessel. 2009 Very interesting! Took a while to read. "don't touch the electrode thingys to your tongue to see if the battery still has a charge".. I've always wondered about this..00 US.
.. hi..but the paper still held some moisture so i just set the bucket in the sun and let it dry it the rest of the way. I was involved in building the machinery for a catalytic convertor factory. Mark.... so I am unfamiliar with the beads I hear of today..so it takes about 3. Many years ago (1981)... In those days they did not use any "beads"........not many people have a cutting torch in trier garage..once it did i just slowly poured the water out of the bucket but once the water level got too low that the metal and stuff wanted to pour out too all i did was take a cloth rag and used it to absorb the water.. 2009 hey guys u don't have 2 be a genius to get the platinum out of the catalytic converters i wanted my car loud so i decided 2 punch the ceramic honey comb out of the converter using a hammer and a flat blade screw driver go 2 town on it then i found the platinum in a cloth like material get rid of the honey comb no platinum in that keep the cloth i used a fly screen n a container using water i sifted it in a container like a gold panner would have fun any 1 can do i got heaps of platinum :) mark horizon . 2009 Hi.mudgee Australia nsw October 27.now here is the hard part..and u cant just use a pencil torch to melt it......and used a garden hose to wash the paper and platinum off the honey comb.. But in those days the ceramic honeycombs and only the honeycombs were dipped into the precious metal slurry.kannapolis NC cabarrus county October 27..now i had a dry powder with the metal.. Andrew Gould ...leaving only tiny pieces of platinum left..i collected it and used a torch to burn the paper away now I'm not sure what the paper is so i wore a mask to protect myself i suggest u do the same..and discarded the honey comb.but the only problem is that since i wanted to melt the platinum down for making jewelry i had to obviously melt it.. So whatever stuff you found that was elsewhere but not in the .anyway I've done this process many times with success.i had to use a cutting or also known as a blow torch used for melting steel to do it.i don't know why people want to make it some big secret. and spent a fair amount of time there...it took like 20 min to get all the water out..so once i turned the paper to ashes i simply used my breath to blow the ashes away......then i let the water settle and allowed the sift to fall to the bottom.screen over the bucket..but platinum has a high tolerance for heat.but u can buy them for a couple hundred bucks or find someone who has one.000 degrees to melt. and I can't comment on whether the beads contain precious metals or not. Andrew...
.honeycomb doesn't sound like the precious metals to me :-) Those 'heaps of platinum' may be piles of soot :-( Regards. they have plenty of experts there that can help most of you do this as a hobby scale project... have a good day Michael kelly .. water and a few biodegradable chems and naturals.. plastic. you can then get a professional assay and try to sell to a mine or mill that is currently dealing with platinum. the rest of you . that's 40 to 200 $ in platinum alone at full value. figure out how you're going to deal with fumes.) . P. a few of you might want to be very afraid of this stuff.sneads ferry.. good luck BRYAN BRYAN SMITH .Oops letting my opinions show. and will have to be able to measure your efforts and not just wonder if it's working or not. not good enough for you.. do the research. just removing the case is concentrating the values (PGMS) You have removed about 5 to 10 lbs of Iron. start collecting all items with pgms . 2009 is the platinum and palladium in the honeycomb or is it the dust and charcoal like substance that comes out of convertor when you extract inside contents of the convertor thanks a lot. 2009 after a lot of reading in other places pt per cat runs about 1 to 5 grams each.com Brick. My advice to every one is read every thing. I done some electronic scrap and there are some things you will need to be careful with. and from what I have seen here. finishing. iron. (its not any harder than making a gas oil mix for the chainsaw. there are dangers with this. North Carolina November 20. what.E.. I've developed a safe device that will greatly concentrate any mineral matrix containing PGMS.aurora Colorado . for very detailed info look up the (gold refiners forum) on line.. and can now sell your ceramic containing PGMS at a much higher price. if you mix the wrong 2 things you will get a high explosive that's unstable. Ted Mooney. New Jersey November 11.. waste and byproducts. ( no not telling) you're all here to learn about cats. I use air.. Michael. today's prices. not bombs. like copper. want to go farther? with each step of the process you are concentrating..
we brought a hose in and sprayed. Do not crush the comb up just chunk it into inch or so pieces. And the undercutting goes on and on until there's no profit left. Aftermarkets are junk. as are ford and Chrysler. You NEED to do the assay or you will not have any idea when to stop the extraction process. I look around at my competitors and they're selling the same coat for $50 per. We then tried to extract the metals by using the crucible method that was written on here. 2009 The first step in the process is to remove the comb. 2009 TO BREAK DOWN A CATALYTIC CONVERTOR YOU FIRST TAKE THE COMBING AND BREAK IT DOWN IN SULFURIC ACID THE PLATINUM WILL SETTLE TO THE BOTTOM SHAKE A FEW TIMES WHEN DISSOLVED AND LET SETTLE THEN YOU HEAT THEN A MIXTURE OF MURIATIC ACID AND HYDROCHLORIC ACID MIXED TO EAT THE BASE METALS AND LEAVE THE PLATINUM ONLY THE MELT CAST AND SERVE DEREM MCCOLLUM . the garage set on fire. Tom Jamison . I'm not going to write the rest of the process nor will anyone who knows how to do it and I'll tell you why. New Mexico . You are now ready to do an assay on the material to get an idea as to how much pgm you can expect from your batch (30 cats is a pretty good batch) To do a ball assay you need a small furnace some crucibles etc. and euro(except VW) have hi pgm content.All Asians. Cats have different amounts of pgm's depending on the manufacturer. GM. it started smoking very quick and then popped really loudly. So what do I do? I can sell my coats for $50 and take a portion of his sales or undercut his price and sell more but make less profit. little drops of fire went all over the garage and my friend caught one on the side of his face. josh slocomb . There are ways to extract that are so safe you don't even need a mask and then there are ways that are so dangerous that it's like being in a gas chamber.deming. my friend went to the hospital and had to have stitches. which burned through.The ball assay will tell you how much pgm to expect per pound of comb. Lets say I'm in the coat business and I get a wicked buy on coats at $10 per. we shouldn't have ever done this kind of thing.November 28. don't even try them. which caused so much smoke all we could do was run.MONROE LOUISIANA December 2.Anaheim. 2009 well me and my friends went out and got some Cats. try not to get any metal filings into the comb material. the next step is to remove as much carbon as possible from the material by heating to RED hot then blowing oxygen on the material before it cools. and he has a scar on his face now. California November 28.
I have found it to be one of the best kept trade secrets.S.You make $4. how ever since an aftermarket cat goes for $4 and it has 1.. After saying all that don't do this with any other cats unless you can get 200 to 300 cats at an average price of $50 each. 2009 I'm now in the cat buying game.5x50= $375 minus the cost of shipping.edu/sdsmt/SiteID=199458 Dennis King . and what they were used for.5 each now subtract gas for your car time to remove it from the host car. note: that website is not loading for us.00. I suggest we pool our collection. removal of the the iron shells would make the 50 pound box not such a bad thing. sdmines. I have been researching this for a long time.. Yep I know that was stupid. I am not attempting to concentrate any thing from the cats I collect.2 pounds of ceramic honey comb in it and that sells for $7. but no he sold them anyway. is to hold on to them. if you can get 40 of the after market cats . On that program they told that a 55 gal barrel with app 400 lbs of catalysts would net $24.000. if you don't then be sure to keep the ceramic honey comb in the can and sell them for more than you bought them for. and the cost of the 40 cats was 4x40=$160 don't forget to recycle the iron maybe about $10 experience says it takes 1 hr to go to some place to get a cat and get back home 40 cats =40 hrs 374 divided by 40 is $9.I. The History channel recently had a program on acids.S thing .5 .00.. Nobody wants you to know for a real good reason (MONEY) I witnessed a man sell a few hundred mixed converters for $16.000 If you have that much cash you can do the math and will know what to do next. If you do the refining hoping to . Virginia ---Ed. In my calculation what he sold brought someone down the line in the neighborhood of $60. I buy low and sell high. making a after market cat worth $8. December 21.000. and buy from any one that wants to sell a cat. Buy low and sell high you will do fine . That way we can cut out the middle man.5 a pound. make your price list 30% less than what you can sell them for and you may make 30%..sdsmt.Ararat. One of the acids was Aqua Regia. Buyers deal in small numbers so as to sell in large numbers.37 an hr the real trick is getting the 40 cats. you can ship 50 pounds in a prepay box and get the 7. that's $10. The answer to some of your questions. used to recover platinum from spent catalyst.00 in platinum. and shipping. it is the K. They are worth a lot more than buyers make out that they are.December 5.000 to 15. I tried to convince him not to sell.000. Knowing what I know I tried to tell him they were worth much much more than that. I can sell to any one that wants to buy a cat. 2009 My advice to all of you that have old Catalytic Converters.
com/refining. the average cat has 2.com).shorinternational.Arundel. Has anyone had any experience with the ishor system http://www. (see Ebay) its not legal to put a used cat on any car!.gain remember your platinum will likely not be pure enough to get full price and even if it is the jeweler and ore refiner you sell it to is going to want a 10% to 30% cut off the top.htm . see rule 6. One company will pay 7$ a pound for your cores . 2009 I have worked in a place that took in catalytic converters what we would do is open the plug dump everything out into 55 gallon drum we would fill 10 -12 of these things then bring them to Texas they paid us about 8 .To extract the inside simply open the plug most if not all have a plug that can be taken out to extract the materials pat mazzillo . see rule 6! catching on yet? bryan smith . .8 lbs. Maine January 17. (its worth it) and the seller loves the fact that he can add $5 to the sale.11 thousand dollars its got platinum in them. it just a side job for me at this time. whole cat buyers on the internet will pay from 4 to $165 each. and have been doing so for 2 weeks I now own 15 of them. (you may change your mind and want to sell them whole) 5 learn how to spot an after market cat (the guy selling you the cat has no clue what the previous owner did to the host car) this one cost me $70 on my very first buy! 6 cut all your buying prices buy 5$ 7 add $5 your buying price for each cat you don't have to cut from under the host car. the amount of metallic values in a cat wildly varies.. I buy catalytic converters. I would let the refiners earn there 10% and you should concentrate on volume. that means the very least a cat core will have in pmgs is 7$ a pound. thanks December 23.. refiners will want 50 to 200 pounds of cat cores and will take 30 to 10% for there fee. your can with acids leach the three pgms out of the core ceramic.. for prices look at cats direct 1st American core north eastern core buyers fairless core dyna converter integrity rules 1 buy low sell high 2 don't buy any thing today you cant sell tomorrow (inventory is expensive and makes you zip) 3 decan only if you've got 100s 4 don't decan after market cats till you get 40 of them.Glovertown NL Canada asked the same question which I have been wondering also which was never answered..aurora Colorado a correction its perfectly legal to sell a used catalytic converter. 2010 Glenn Burry.. (see gold refiners index .
Although this is my website. So I would elect doing it the the guys in Texas. rip the things open and pour it into containers you can ship.com Brick. could profit from shilling :-) Regards. How do I know I'm not getting ripped when I sell one? But I'm sure as hell not going to sell it to Ted in Jersey. 2010 It seems that us in Okla. I'm not an expert on catalytic converter refining or gold recovery. finishing. P. and also just the plain effectiveness with gold plated scrap. P. OK the process is way too complicated for person to do on his own.E. we discourage testimonials to particular commercial products because some people already post here or attempt to post here with fictitious names. Ted Mooney.com Brick. Actually. are a mite smarter than the idiots in New Jersey and other eastern states. Michael Rowland . so I am certainly not in a position to be involved anywhere in the sale or purchase of this stuff? -.Can some of the professionals here (Ted?) please comment on whether or not this would work on granulated CAT honeycomb/beads. Bill N . Colorado and Oklahoma are doing it. Ted Mooney. and many more would if vendors.Mounds. finishing.or because you got concerned about possible questions about the origin of your convertors after I mentioned that my son was a cop :-) Good luck and Regards. New Jersey . and am not qualified to comment on how well this commercial device works (never even seen it). disguised as satisfied customers.Marvell. Oklahoma January 21. "But I'm sure as hell not going to sell it to Ted in Jersey" Is that because I've repeatedly said that my only business is running this website. 2010 Hi. No one has answered which specific converters are worth more than the others. Bill.E. I have been looking at this system for many years so any comment would be greatly appreciated. Arkansas June 2010 Hi. New Jersey January 21. Mike.
. Please remember: all the refiners compete with each other....... back off of Ted. you can run the process.. I'm a pretty smart guy and I thought about it long and hard.February 11..think logically. if not actually funny... 2010 Hi All. you have to put something substantial into it to make it work...to get something meaningful out..or do you think you are going to pick up a few cats. Someone did provide a three sentence answer on the 'how to' aspect.. and not cheat. you could probably buy a kit for it at Ace Hardware.. and become a broker for small yards that don't have the time to research the value of each model..... How do you expect to make your costs lower than theirs? By dumping toxins in the trash? If you are highly competent. but your labor and production costs will be high. sure.. new refiners enter the market. If it gets too lucrative.learn the product specs.turn them into COMEX quality ingots and high grade metals to sell to industry? I think many I've read on here are trying to get something for nothing.for that matter. and if it were simple to do.but perhaps think of it as all boiling down to return on investment. Clearly: THERE'S NO EASY MONEY TO BE MADE BY TRYING TO REFINE THE PRECIOUS METALS YOURSELF! So just give it up. and by being an accumulator/consolidator.and smelting/refining is not a permitted use in any residential or agricultural zone I've ever heard of.. you will have to end up like the existing refiners to make a profit. and it's pretty interesting.. often with long term contracts to keep their costs low. and get real. buying acids and supplies in large bulk. You get out what you put in. Thank you! Off my soapbox I go.. Matthew Fox . Ohio. They assay the metal efficiently. and poof. You can go around to salvage yards and buy cats. Something for nothing is a bogus way to live.. and each ingot or batch of metal you produce will still have to be assayed at your expense.. and even hedging those prices with futures contracts. learn which cats have what relative amounts of PGMs and buy and sell accordingly. I've read a few pages of this thread. 2010 Hey. and my conclusion was that the only serious solution to this approach is to have . etc..thanks again.. or a table top model on eBay.Tampa.... 2010 This blog/site whatever kicks ass! You rock dude. John Marks .Columbus. and larger scale than most of you are thinking about. I just wanted to add that anyone who is Still thinking about ways to steal the converters.. He's the man.you can make a profit from knowing the product you are dealing with....all above board.. Do you intend to do this industrial process in your garage? If you are going to be honest about it.... Florida March 11. and pay for permits and safety and disposal costs....but please don't hang on to the notion that you can spin straw into gold.got to find some cat specs now!!!! PS: I'm NOT saying not to take a risk or consider a new venture.BE REALISTIC! As an example or two: If you want to profit. USA March 4. Each refiner employs economies of scale....
you will look like a ripe candidate to be made example out of in the judicial court. and using air-compressed or hydraulic cutters. I can't believe I read the WHOLE thing. cut off the cat in one snap!.. MY ANALYSIS: I'm thinking I'll stick to planting a garden in the spring and riding a bicycle---just hope nobody cuts my gut out looking for little ceramic balls of quicksilver. makes me want to stay on the computer and away from dangerous chemicals.car parts!. Someone actually stealing from someone who worked hard for their nice car. MY VOTE: 55 GALLON DRUM METHOD forget about anything beyond mechanical extraction. Enough said? Good to know this information though.. or sold a dime bag of something to someone who wanted to get high. 2010 Wow. not habits. In fairness it could be said that the economy is now so bad that some may take up the trade to feed mouths.. my guess is theft of cats will also see a comeback as frustration grows.Cedar Rapids. paid license.9% pure platinum of course you must then use an induction heater to melt it down and the only one that i can think of is right now that is easy to build is ZVS circuit ( zero voltage/current switching) its easy to build but i dont know if it has the ability to get to platinum melting temps . this economy is seething with unions of prison guards and people making 85 thousand dollars a year watching over 'criminals ' who got high. Had to backtrack to an ad on our Craigslist. you have no business stealing chicken-sh-. Eric Vincent web developer/ seeker of knowledge . offering a venue for people to get a little more for there junk vehicle before the salvage yard gets it---or there are still people out there willing to crawl under cars in the middle of the night to feed their habits (and people willing to pay them to do it).some kind of technology that jacks up the car. This can be looked upon 2 ways---either the guy is legit.. Don't steal.. Got so involved I actually forgot how I got here.Anaheim.Roll there words in little ceramic balls..EAT THOSE LITTLE CERAMIC BALLS OF SLAG!!! Byron Wiese . registration. Those who read these words of wit. Iowa USA March 26. someone offering to "buy" cats.. insurance. 2010 hey another way that i have found is to use something similar to the gold refining process if you use aqua regia aka nitric and hydrochloric acid mixed it will make clora platonic acid i believe is the name and then from there you can revert the acid back to pure platinum dust witch accumulates at the bottom as a dust you then filter and wash at the very least five times with warm or hot water you then have at least 99. I notice child abuse was up 12% here in IA last year.if you're that smart to build such a device.etc. Ok here's what I'm getting at--. California March 12. but inversely they would still be taking it out of another's mouth. Just knowing the process has put a more educated perspective on all of this thank you very much sir.. WORD OF WISDOM: Those who write about cats on these walls. then be on your merry way before you could get caught.
Now I think back years ago about a salvage yard I'd work at and at that time we saved all cats in medium size container box's. it's that as soon as we open a thread to commercial responses. that if one thinks that you can separate the metals with a torch like Oxyacetylene is like melting a tuna can with a Bic lighter. Please look on Craigslist. I just happened to ask the man. Sincerely Mike Burt .. He replied. 2010 Hi. or eBay.That is if they had a lot of them. Now knowing how to melt down steel. everything else is buried under the spam. It can't be done. Now I'm living in Wyoming and have a close friend that's in the auto salvage business and from time to time he has a gentleman come into buy his cats. Mike. I worked in the scrap metal business 10 years ago and from time to time hauled what is none as Frag. I too was doing a little research online about precious metals when I stumbled on to this site. Refinery if any. or Google. . and I to have to agree with a lot of these threads.Rozet.000 dollars and that was for the contents of one container box of cats. How to extract precious metals from cats. Meaning. Some had humor like. Wow that's alot of money. But I'm talking in large numbers.we don't have one thousandth of the necessary horsepower.orange park Florida united states April 7.john michael . We could swamp the threads with spam overnight. and it's largely because we don't let people benefit commercially from postings. Some had more meaning than others. Like a tree in the back yard. I hope the next time I read these threads that some one might be kind hearted enough to say as to were one might be able to take there spoils to. Now that was funny. Wyoming April 7. When the buyer came by we unloaded the contents of the box's on the ground by sizes. Before loading them on his truck. How come! Is it because of like back then the golden rule of silence still applies and mums the word to this day. I read all of the threads. I once seen a check for $25. That is in all these threads I read I did not once read as to where to take the spoils. Now it's been some years gone by and now like then every one has kept the golden rule of silence. Sorry but we simply can't be Craigslist or Ebay or Google -. It's not that we are sworn to silence. a rope and the neighborhood Kids and a couple steel pipes. But seriously. Or what! I look forward to visiting this site again in the future. heavy melt meaning steel beams to the smelting plants in Indiana and in Illinois. is it takes a little bit of this and a little bit of that and a whole lot of other things to make it pure steel and what's involved in that process is like trying to put a Big Mac in a Happy meal. for what I will get back that's a drop in the bucket so to speak. 2010 Mr Mooney. This public forum has managed to remain online for 16 years. As for some of the threads I read that some only had one or two.
or used parts. so i figured well. is i figured I'd keep my karma good. i figured i would look into the CC idea so maybe i could gain a little extra money after me losing my job. and helped them. and makes our world more like the movie Idiocracy if anything. Why not post a list of cars? Most states require a title. Thomas from Sarasota. or you must wait a given amount of time to receive payment on the converters if you sell too a scrap yard. i brought everyone around me up. All i have to say. Ted Mooney. and they start getting up would be power hungry and greedy. That is an arrogant notion of people in America. with food.. and my friend telling me about plat in CC's.com Brick. when I got up. THE LIST OF CARS! It would seem I'm limited in the aspect that people are too scared of losing profit or theft for advancement in human techno-evolution. I was searching for two things when i got online today. Ted. I don't think personally I would be able to do it. 2010 Well. talk to friends who work in areas that come across people selling junk cars. obviously so. well Networking is one of my favorite things. So theft isn't as much of an option. So i figured. first is how someone could easily sell stolen gold. this is why i liked thomas's post.. family or career. but in everything i have seen in life. because i had all of my family heirlooms stolen from me and my handicap dad who lives with me. and that's how i get by now. I figured i shall start with two different topics. finishing. that people are scared too post what CC's are good to buy. First is thanking two people. but we lose out on advancement of society. . I was a marketer/sale's rep who traveled coast 2 coast. and then be a middle man. As i said previously I'm a marketer and networker. but things happen and you have other obligations in life. like I am going to be there in May. the only option left must be that people want to keep people out of this business so they can keep everyone from getting by. I would like to tell you all a little about myself. People who are secretive do make the most profit. not a mechanic or chemist.Regards. I'm 19. where you must choose. Also. I guess it sucks that greed rules this country. and am well versed in the language of american society. i really enjoy your calm responses to some arrogant people. i started reading this because i had hopes that some one would post what cars would be best to go get cc's and then find a company who buys them for refining purposes. your way of thinking is incredibly fascinating. because Tennessee its hard finding deep and free-thinking people. Except there is one thing i cant find.. find out what kind of CC's too look for. New Jersey April 18. Because people will go steal them. and i am granted with off the chart social skills. And since i have to support an older but great father. In hopes when and if i fell i would have people around me to keep me afloat. i am infuriated at the fact. P. So. Sadly. and i was like jeez I hope there will be intelligent people to have deep conversations. the way u run these forums is exceptional. On my next note. its a pointless endeavor for the lowest of the low scum of the earth. and for my age i would say i have seen a lot..E. because 2% are incompetent the rest are punished. I would never have imagined that everyone who was once barely getting by. the business relationships and personal ones i developed have kept me and my dad in a house. WOW..
It's just i see older cars being parted out. and maybe take my dad out too eat like i used to. and if this stuff actually pays off. not a wall street man. Please use ebay. I just am not the type of man who lives off someone else's gratitude. if not. not even knowing the cats may be worth something. well i can see me on here in the future. or a google search to locate the people you are seeking. Craigslist. if there are threads like this. then sitting around on forums. we try to avoid reference to company names because experience has repeatedly proven that as soon as a company name is mentioned. and the thread dissolves to spam :-) . Joe. maybe not hard labor. hell. Just consider the list people.Murfreesboro. on cars that look bonestock. 2010 Hi. and teaching kids how to pick up chicks. and a loan isn't an option. So i was hoping I could make a small profit. cut the radiator hose and some other hoses i do not know what they are at this time. and my marketing experience. I like to work. well awesome. Joe Santaniello . and have something too think about. it is my first ever on this site. i will abide by that notion. am i planning to start anything related to the pt industry. and certainly not my last. i am not trying to undercut you guys in your ingot industry.and utilities. just like many of you guys can. i could ship them too u. Nor. or in the past could have used also. just so i can get by a little better. and i give my word on my dad. and possibly start my own business that i have been wanting. their competitors feel the need to post a glowing testimonial to themselves. Tennessee April 19. just like an extra 600 a month or so. I'm a marketer. because things here are cheap. but do not have a dime for start up cost. since someone angry at my dad for calling the police on them because he was in fear for his life. i hope all of you enjoy this post. I'm sure I'll have at least made a little money off it. Thank you For your Time! :) If you guys would like to contact me through email. i figured that would be the best route. If you guys could be generous and think of others. if you do things on a larger scale. with bills of sale for every cat i buy so you never would have to worry about me being a thief. the race to the bottom is on. put out a list. and I could use the money. that would be acceptable too. I really enjoyed reading this thread. 24/7. and finding a company who wanted too do the refining process or something. now that i tried to get a little help from some of you guys. people selling muffler and cc for 10 bux. my idea was hopefully getting the cats. and possibly you would have the word of many exec's who would vouch for me. because I'm an honest person. Sorry! Similarly. and just getting rid of the cats core too a scrap yard. Like En: Datsun/Nissan 70-93 not even being super specific. and just selling the guts. but use my skills for a better purpose. See. my word is never broken. Good luck. if information shared with me you ask not too be disclosed. but this site does not put people into private contact with each other. All i have to say is. But letting the world know would be a much better thing! But. just making it better so i don't go out and waste my time. and now they are buying me a car so i can get back to my life. Well. Apologies.
finishing.riverside.Midland.com Brick. New Jersey May 19. and with regard to obfuscating for the uninitiated. to a point I am NOT a metallurgist and have limit knowledge of the subject. and it sounds like the time I'm done study the "ART of CCs" I should have another thousand or so.10 grams to a troy ounce. Ted Mooney.980. New Jersey June 24. Ted Mooney. have heard it might be against the law to process them in the US.Regards. I am a chemist. finishing. There are 16. weight of a solid block of Platinum with the dimensions of 3" x 1" x 1". Texas June 8. Gas and Diesel big differences. 2010 Just wondering if anyone could give me some info. your block would be valued at $51. at today's spot price of $1533 per troy ounce. Platinum weighs 21. What would be an approx. So.E. Hope the PRICES stay up? I been told to keep the content separate due to the difference in amount and type of metals. GREAT!! I will begin reading up. Terrill. terrill booth . Keep posting and I'll keep reading Scott Jones . 2010 Hi. There are 31. it . that being said. I had thoughts of selling them raw. Regards. P.387 cubic centimeters to a cubic inch.E. This thread leads me to believe it is not. California USA June 9.com Brick. Your block of platinum is 3 cubic inches. 2010 First I'll just say this. P. 2010 I have over 1000 CC cut from salvaged autos over the past couple of years.45 grams per cubic centimeter.
. nitric and judiciously precipitate with some heavy metal ion.. US August 11.. Walt Smith manufacturer . 2010 Can anyone give an estimate of what a pound of slurry collected in the early 80's is worth.and there is a rush on to find out how it's done or how to get it. Got it legally by the way.Dallas.. Any thoughts on a response on this thread will be greatly appreciated.seems to me that one could with some difficulty dissolve the platinum/ceramic guts in conc. 2010 Cry.Redondo Beach.. " There be 'Gold'in them thar hills" or in this case Platinum in them there Catalytic Converters... beyond that apply tremendous tremendous amounts of heat to the precipitate and go to the bank. *-*-*-* THIS IS NOT TO BE TRIED BY ANYONE FOLLOWING THIS POST ALONE. Australia September 29. I found it here 'cause I was looking for a reason why my Ford is acting up. Ma .PLEASE DO YOUR RESEARCH *-*-*-* Victor C. clearly I haven't gone so far as putting pencil to paper on this but it seems to me that it could be a lucrative opportunity for someone with a skill set in place to mitigate the very real (and potentially lethal) risks involved... 2010 These are great questions about catalytic converters and platinum. Another waste of 30 minutes of my life surfing the web :) :) Gary W .Mobile. Queensland. Yup.Brisbane.com Dave smith . California USA .YOU WILL NOT GET PLATINUM WITHOUT RESPECTING THE CHEMISTRY AND FOLLOWING MY THOUGHT PROCESS WITHOUT FULLY UNDERSTANDING THE NATURE OF THE MATERIALS INVOLVED COULD AND WOULD CAUSE SERIOUS INJURY AND/OR DEATH..scrapcatalyticconverter. Texas. Alabama September 3. Maybe you should take a look at www. And for some it is a conspiracy because they are too ignorant or plain stupid to understand how complicated and dangerous to body and environment it is to extract it. every one gets rich in a gold rush.
USA January 14.com/watch? v=rmtFp-SV0tY . I did an engineering project at a factory that built the newer honeycomb style converters (still a long long time ago).html and green. 2010 what does the extracted metal look like ron green curious . I haven't done much with them but pile them up being as I don't know the difference yet.com/2006/11/28/thieves-target-catalytic-converters-for-precious-metals/. It has been a great revenue so far making something out of nothing is very rewarding.how exactly do you tell the difference between an OEM & After-Market Catalytic Converter? Could someone muster up a photo of these 'beads' and these 'honey combs' you talk about do they look just like a piece of screen? So far with the cats I have cut off (Yes legally) they all just look like hollow metal chambers with a screen in them. There is a great video at www.Maine.the dubbah only wanted to give me $10 bucks for them . Thank You all very much for your time spent here & input. Being a web designer I know what is like to have to deal with internet hooligans. including maidenresources.December 22. -J Justin L MaineJunKYards . I would like to thank Ted first of all for supplying this lovely little trough of information.com/Recycling.athens Alabama January 14. What I would like to see/know .and he might have been honest (one came off an old GM Van & the other a new chevy geo) . 2011 Greetings Everyone. and pictures of them are all over the net.autoblog.which no one has mentioned before . Justin.I as I just mentioned I'm a web designer by trade -but I have started my own side project with recycling cars & metals.html. Secondly . So if someone would please give me a few (Yes more than one please . but photos are available at www. I'm not real familiar with the old-style ceramic bead catalytic converters.sellyourcatsdirect.but I don't trust backyard bob enough to keep doing business with him. 2011 Hi. The last time I brought a couple the junkyard .com/Loose_Beads_Pellets_secure.no one liner is gonna help me learn anything) tips on how to distinguish between a factory original and a aftermarket cat.youtube.
P. Ted Mooney. Regards. but I don't know how to tell the difference. finishing.com Brick. New Jersey . but don't know. that an aftermarket converter would have less precious metals soaked into the honeycomb.E.I think.
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