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I BUY, SELL AND REPAIR COMPUTERS. RECENTLY I STARTED TO SAVE ALL MY COMPUTER SCRAP TO RECOVER THE GOLD THAT IS ON THE CARDS. SO ON THE OTHER HAND I STARTED TO BUY A FEW CATALYTIC CONVERTERS AS SCRAP BECAUSE I HEARD THAT IT HAS A LITTLE AMOUNT OF PLATINUM AND PALLADIUM HONEYCOMB THAT IS INSIDE THE BODY OF THE CONVERTER. SO THE POINT IS: IF SOMEONE CAN EXPLAIN TO ME OR GUIDE ME IN THE NEXT STEP TO RECOVER THE PLATINUM_PALLADIUM ONCE THE CONVERTER IS OPEN, BECAUSE THE HONEYCOMB I THINK IS MADE OF CERAMIC. WHY I WANT TO KNOW THIS: TO PROVE TO A COUPLE OF FRIENDS THAT THE CONVERTERS HAVE A LITTLE AMOUNT OF THESE METALS. THEY THINK THAT I AM CRAZY OR NUTS. MARIO Z "hobbyist" - TIJUANA , BAJA CALIFORNIA, MEXICO ++++ If you want to do it just to prove your friends the point, then I agree to them. But if you're willing to make money out of it, be prepared to spend a decent amount of life and a little fortune with no guarantee of success up front. Guillermo Marrufo Monterrey, NL, Mexico
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Scrap Catalytic Converter Platinum Recycle Full Lincoln $71.01 44m
+++++ We have the process for getting platinum ( and other platinum grade metal from scrap catalytic converters). Listen to your friends. The platinum is there, but it is a very dangerous process. You have to know what you are doing. Charles K - Burtonsville, Maryland
View all disclaimer scrap catalytic converter 2008 Domestic platinum $71.50 3h 30m
Scrap Catalytic Converter Platinum $203.00 4h 01m
++++++ Catalytic converters have precious metal in them, Mario. It's the precious metals that provide the catalytic reaction. So collect on the bet. Recovery is dangerous and
shouldn't be attempted by untrained individuals though :-)
Ted Mooney, P.E. finishing.com Brick, New Jersey
++++++ Yes there is Platinum in catalytic converters. You can't recover it yourself but you have to take it a place that buys gold, metals, scraps... I buy catalytic converters, I pay good money. It depends on what kind of catalytic converter you have and if it's full, or half full. Monica M - Louisville, Kentucky
++++++ Monica M, Can you please explain what you mean by full or half-full. also, what different types of catalytic converters are there? which ones are most desirable for resell to refiners? Thanks - Mark Mark W - San Antonio, Texas
+++++++ Hi I currently buy and sell catalytic converters to a man. He has often told me that he will be out of town selling these catalytic converters. My question is how much more is he getting paid and where does he take them to? Currently the best paid one I have had is
one for $120.00, if anyone can help me please do so. Juan M buyer/seller - Seven Springs, North Carolina
+++++++ I think Ted was kind of on the right track with his answer, but just as wrong as the rest of the responders. You will probably not find anyone willing to give up the process that they use because they use it to recover the material themselves. It would be nice if they came right out and said that so you could use your powers of internet research on chemistry to devise your own way of extracting the materials. BTW, if a person wishes to blow themselves up or poison themselves let them do it just don't take anyone else with you. Ron H - Scranton, Pennsylvania
+++++++ I have access to hundreds of catalytic converters, and want to know how to extract, not refine, the platinum from them. This would save shipping fees, but I'm not sure if I can just cut out the part containing the platinum, or do I have to strip it out? Georgia T recycler, junk dealer - Nashville, Tennessee
Ron, yes, certainly people can be coy. But the main issue is difficulty, not secretiveness. Brain surgeons and aircraft engineers may be coy too, but their coyness is not the main reason why people don't post a simple answer here on how to do brain surgery or design a jetliner :-) Recovering precious metals requires a significant investment in time, education, and equipment. Georgia, you can cut the valuable part out from the steel. They will look a lot like a small muffler. The metal housing is stainless steel and contains no precious metal (although stainless steel has scrap value too). The precious metal is in the ceramic honeycombs you find inside. Good luck! Ted Mooney, P.E. finishing.com Brick, New Jersey
for an average size converter it has about 1. it seems that developing a good "buy low / sell high" strategy is a much easier way to make money than doing the dangerous chemistry. But. Nathan.+++++++ Hello. New Jersey +++++++ I work in a lab and need to produce platinum from a catalytic converter on a small and safe scale.E.. finishing.Rotherham. I have one way to do it but it is kinda hectic. Looking at ebay with asking prices from about $10 to $150 for scrap catalytic convertors.com Brick. South Yorkshire. Object 7 Ted Mooney. UK Object 8 +++++++ Recovery of precious metals is a well developed industrial science. Nathan H . I would like to know whom I could sell the catalytic converters.and do the math at 1200 dollars an ounce for platinum. P. and came up with $80.Vernon. Alabama +++++++ I did the math as you asked. and there are books that compare the alternative approaches and explain the chemistry in depth.. for the ones that want to know why they are so expensive.9 grams of platinum in the honeycomb. Read the great reviews of Ammen's book --> But why does your company "need" to get platinum from this source rather than buying it? If can you provide a little more detail on what you Object 9 . What is the best way of doing this? Rachael C work in a glass lab .. Rachel.
E. LOUIS. Wade. If you ask a specific question regarding how jetliners are built. Johnson-Matthey & Heraeus are not afraid of their halfbillion dollar precious metal refineries facing competition from individuals. WORKING IN ASBESTOS AREAS. SO FOR ANYONE WOULDN'T MIND SHARING SOME VALUABLE INFORMATION PLEASE LET ME KNOW THE PROCESS OF EXTRACTING THESE PRECIOUS METALS Wade Collins . P.S. finishing. like how thick should the nickel-cadmium plating be on a turbine blade. ALCOHOL FOR ONE IS A DANGEROUS PROCESS IN EVERY WAY BUT PEOPLE NEVER DENIED US THE PROCESS OF CONSUMING IT AS WELL AS DRUGS. P. AND OTHER FOREIGN ILLNESSES. it's that they simply can't answer a question that broad. Just as Boeing & Airbus are not concerned that you will compete against them in building jetliners. THAT WE DON'T EVEN ASK FOR. It's not so much secret as difficult to explain when starting from zero. All they can do is say "start by attending an aeronautical engineering college for four years" :-) Recovery of precious metals is a well developed science-. BUT IT SEEMS TO ME THAT NO ONE WANTS TO GIVE THIS VALUABLE INFORMATION UP IN FEAR OF OTHER PEOPLE MAKING THE KIND OF MONEY THEY'RE MAKING.are trying to do. but if you say "tell me how to build a jetliner". . I MEAN REGARDLESS OF IF IT'S A DANGEROUS PROCESS OR NOT ITS OUR OWN DECISION IF WE WANT TO GO THROUGH WITH IT OR NOT.start by reading books that are readily available from any large library (did you ask yet if your library had the books we already recommended?). New Jersey +++++++ MY NAME IS WADE COLLINS AND I WAS TRYING TO FIND THIS PROCESS OUT MYSELF. Good luck. BUT TO DENY THE PEOPLE TO MAKE MANY WHETHER YOU BELIEVE OR NOT TO BE DANGEROUS IS OUR DECISION IF WE WANT TO DO IT. Missouri Hi. people may answer. I MEAN THERE ARE A LOT OF DANGEROUS THINGS OUT HERE.ST.com Brick. Thanks! Ted Mooney. and people will probably be willing and able to answer. Give yourself a few weeks of diligent reading and you'll be able to ask rather specific questions. it's not that they refuse to answer. you will probably get better targeted and therefore more helpful answers.
Stumbled on this thread and now I know. finishing. page 2 HOW TO RECOVER PLATINUM FROM CATALYTIC CONVERTERS. Couldn't for the life of me figure out what this guy was keeping them for and why he was hiding them so far from the road.com Brick. page 2 1 2 3 4 5 6 +++++++ hi friends. Roberto Gremini . P.Belvidere. 2011 LOL Just acquired a foreclosed estate property with acreage and found a mountain of converters waaaayyyy back in the woods under tarps.E.Ted Mooney. I buy & sell many catalytic convertor. New Jersey January 11.France . Vermont USA þÿ Search Home/Sitemap · you are here: Forum => letter 27814. if it's possible can you help me? how do we do it? regards Jouni . but I don't know the method for take out the platinum from it.
HOW TO RECOVER RARE METALS FROM ELECTRON . step by step method of doing this. respectively.1 kJ/mole under 2 kPa of SiCl4 gas.. together with the negligible equilibrium vapor pressure of ThCl4 at below 600 C.. suggests that carbochlorination of the mixed concentrate at temperatures as low as 500 deg C in the (Cl2 1 SiCl4) atmosphere is suitable for rare earth extraction and thorium-free volatile by-product release.95 4d 04h 36m View all disclaimer If you can't understand that then you're out of luck. The process to do so is known as carbochlorination and the simplified textbook definition of the process is as follows: A stepwise carbochlorination--chemical vapor transport (SC--CVT) process is proposed for the rare earth extraction and separation from a mixed bastnaesite-monazite concentrate based on thermodynamic and kinetic analysis using carbon as reductant. in the absence of SiCl4. The CVT reaction of the carbochlorination product was performed at 800 C for 0. . but carbochlorination at above 1000 C yielded a large amount of acidinsoluble residue. but these values reduced to 15 and 2. respectively. apparent activation energy of the carbochlorination within 2 hours changed from 22 to 16 kJ/mol roughly for the initial half hour and final 1 hour. which is different from the conventional Goldschmidt process at 1000 C to 1200 C. The rare earth chloride yield for 2 hours was 56 to 88 mol pct in the absence of SiCl4 and 92 to 99 mol pct in the presence of SiCl4.5 hours in the (Cl2 1 SiCl4 1 AlCl3) atmosphere and then at 1000 C for 6 hours in the (Cl2 1 AlCl3) atmosphere along different temperature gradients. there is no simpler. Their combination allows an efficient and environmentally conscious extraction and separation of rare earth elements from the mixed concentrate. chlorine gas as chlorination agent. I'll put it in another way. and AlCl3 as vapor complex former. This. leading to complete thorium removal and efficient rare earth separation. Between 500 deg C and 800 deg C. $24.+++++++ Since "complicated and dangerous" doesn't seem to satisfy the masses on what it takes to extract precious medals from items such as catalytic converters. SiCl4 as defluorination agent.
Cory Gage - Tulsa, Oklahoma
+++++++ The reason these [expletive deleted] don't want to give you the info is cause of the loss of money they would be hit with. The high value cat's get 2 to 300 dollars that hold up to 2 ounces of platinum in them.Notice you caught the eye of so many on here trying to buy yours instead of showing how you can recover 2 ounces of platinum. Now 1 ounce goes for what 1300 dollars.I wouldn't show you how to recover it either! Zachary Rumble - Lawton, Oklahoma
+++++++ Cory just finished taking the time to give you the 'secret' info, Zachary. But you don't yet have the background knowledge to understand his instructions. Any large library will have books on recovering platinum and precious metals; you may need to study those books before you understand Cory's instructions. I bought a new catalytic converter from Meineke for under $150. Some models for larger cars may have more platinum but $2600 worth sounded ludicrous. So I spent some time on line looking for the world's most expensive catalytic converter and the best I could do was $2495 for a pair for a Ferrari, Although the precious metals are indeed valuable, maybe the real issue is that there are people who want to sell you scrap at ridiculous prices by exaggerating its value while implying that recovery is easy?
Ted Mooney, P.E. finishing.com Brick, New Jersey
+++++++ I am a buyer of scrap catalytic converters.The process you ask about is very hard and dangerous. It is a process that is regulated under EPA standards. It is profitable to sell the converter as a whole unit. You can refine or have them refined in other countries if you want to gather up 3000 of them and wait 90 days on your money to come back to you. My web site buys on average 2500 catalytic converters a month. I have tried it all and to refine a converter yourself is totally crazy. There is 3 acids in the process and it becomes very explosive and at
times it does explode.The proper automated machines keep the workers safe when this happens. There are several platinum groups in most converters. A large gm I pay 100.00 for it on my web site. A aftermarket converter is not worth what a factory converter is. It will only net you 10.00 as scrap. Some large converters I pay 140.00 for them and some exotic converters go higher than that, 200.00 or so. Before you find all there is to refining your own think about the people around you and the laws of the land. Steven Gee - Hornsby, Tennessee
+++++++ I agree with Mr. Mooney's last post. It is impossible to recover $200 in metals value from a product that RETAILS for less than $200! Now, I do believe that finding silver/gold/Pt/Pd and other precious metals in a refinable form is still do-able at flea-markets, garage and estate sales and thrift stores - with enough time and patience. They, like others, have become much more sophisticated, so, likely they tested and 'high-graded' anything before it went out for sale. Garage sales at private residences (NOT conducted by professional estate or auction services) remain the best candidates. Bruce A Ades - Carrollton, Texas
+++++++ I am new to scrap metal. I want to get the metal out of these items. Does anybody know a melt down place to retrieve these metals? I want to make a living doing scrap metal. Vicky in Los Angeles Victoria Blanchard hobbyist - Los Angeles, California
+++++++ The carbochlorination behavior of scrapped honeycomb-type automobile catalysts was investigated using a chlorine and carbon monoxide gas mixture to fully extract platinum and rhodium in the catalysts. The recoveries of platinum, rhodium, and base metals are monitored by ICP-AES analyses. Upflow type of fixed-bed carbochlorination experiments were performed between 250 and 700 C. The effects of flow rate, time, and partial pressures of chlorine and carbon monoxide were also determined. After optimization of these parameters, the recoveries of about 95.9% of platinum and 92.9% of rhodium were obtained
at 550 C. The recovered condensate was contaminated by various base metal chlorides. The chlorides generated from the base metals could be minimized by decreasing the flow rate of the gas mixture without any deterioration of PGM recoveries, but at the expense of the volatility. The carbochlorination of scrapped automobile catalysts could be an efficient way for the profitable recovery of platinum and rhodium chlorinated compounds at comparatively low temperatures. sorry i cant find the credits Brian McKee - Buffalo, New York
January 26, 2008 I agree with most of the comments here. The process is not one that everyone should be trying. It is much easier to just find someone who is doing it all the time. There are a few good companies that would be happy to buy all the CCs you can get them. If you want to try something try to recover gold. It is plenty dangerous enough for the thrill seekers and you are much more likely to have a good outcome. After you have done a few hundred pounds of gold then you can move up to this. I should mention scale is very important when it comes to profit margins on both of these processes. Michael Biggs - Princeton, Texas
January 29, 2008 Recovery of metals from cats is difficult| Is it possible to recondition the cat ready for re installation .E G.Vacuum baking to remove volatiles followed by baking in air to burn off carbon? Mickey Louvel chemist - Hampshire, U.K.
February 10, 2008 http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/5542957-description.html Here you will find several ways to extract the metals. And for everyone out there who enjoys censoring information to the masses, tisk tisk. Adam Underwood
. I wonder because somebody just hacked mine off my Jeep with a Sawsall. quantity.com Brick.. I decided to take my leather jacket off and break the red hot pipe from the converter.E. Adam? Ted Mooney. eh? And no. I stopped to check the damage and remove the converter and tailpipe from the road. 2008 About 4 years ago I was traveling along the highway and a catalytic converter dislodged it's self from the vehicle in front of me. and remember everyone has to make a profit or they would be out of business. Western Australia February 11.00. I placed it in the truck of my vehicle and raced it home. it was just an old muffler!!! What a day!!!! Enjoy your converter people. To my surprise. The replacement bumper and paintwork cost me $780. cried over the stuffed jacked and shoe and proceeded to take to the thing with my oxy-acetylene cutter. I didn't have time to get out of it's way and ran over it at 110 km/h(70 MPH). finishing.PJC Peter Carey . James Monroe .San Francisco. volume. you do not want to refine the tiny bit of metal in each without a lab behind you. P. but I persevered and finally broke the catalytic converter off. Prices are based on types. so I too could own some PLATINUM. It's dangerous plus you'll lose money.Perth. 2008 I wonder where all these people are getting ALL these cats. Alabama February 10. California February 19. I burnt my hands dragging the thing from the road. I did the first aid on my hands. Cindy Reynolds . The sole of my shoe and my jacket were destroyed in this process. 2008 Those of you wanting more for your converters are in a jam.Mobile.. Or is it just a burning curiosity? Maybe we should have some legal authority monitoring of this thread. 2008 Have you seen anyone censoring anything. having some knowledge of it. New Jersey February 11.
Prairie Du Chien. Minnesota March 19. I have no interest in recovering the platinum.so they have just passed a law that the purchaser must get the id of the seller which helps determine if a Jeep cat was cut off and a Jeep cat was sold the next day they can find you. James Wilson . Ohio March 16. Platinum and Palladium are each different weights and one has a higher melting point than the other so when cooling down they tend to separate somewhat. how much money I will receive for which model? I don't want to give 50 and get 30. You can find the plans for a furnace online easily. 2008 I too used to think like most of you until I talked to a gentleman who owns a bronze sculpture foundry. When you pour the mold it will cool and the slag can be removed with a small hammer.I know there are ways around but at least we are trying. Do some research it is not that hard to search this stuff. 2008 How do I know if my converter cartridge has any material left in it? I have access to cartridges which have been removed from converters. 2008 The cat's are disappearing here in Minn. and then you have almost pure platinum and palladium. One that came off of a . Easy to assemble and use. Kurt Crosby . The reason most people don't do it is they are either dreamers or just too stupid or flat out too lazy to try when they find out what it takes. I just want to sell the cat. A Crucible and crucible furnace is all you need along with someborax [link is to product info] and silica sand. Georgia April 24.Dalton.Springfield... Wisconsin March 11. 2008 I own a salvage company. Thanks and good luck all. So can some one give me a price list. I in turn found out the secret. The average cc contains around (if all used up) about a 1/4 oz.. How do I know if there is any precious metals left in them.. Doug Dugan hobbyist ...Kilkenny.in a perfect world.
2008 The new converters that they sell are not like the ones that come on the new car. It is there and I make a lot on it every weekend. It is doable and should be done by anyone with half a brain! chuck graham . Chuck. Regards. I also extract gold from plated cosmetic jewelry and have a good time doing it in my spare time.Purcell. Do your research if you want to make money. I just smelted an '89 and produced 1/3 oz of platinum on a dead one. Ted Mooney. They can put less of the valuable components into them for sale in these states and still be in compliance. You just have to be safe doing it so you don't hurt your self in the process. the low price for palladium was $432/oz. If people would take the time to do it right they would make a lot of extra money for themselves.com Brick. To sum it all up if you buy for 100. This fit with the plan and now it will cost 18. . If i buy one that came off of a new car it will yield way more than that of a knock off. New Jersey April 26. 2008 The "low" price for platinum today was $1951/oz.00 you have to make a profit.000 dollars.E. Oklahoma April 24. If you don't you are just spinning your wheels.000. but something doesn't add up.00 every weekend on cc's. Also with a lot of states like here that require an inspection sticker no more. Like in the 70's a new car (not a Cadillac mind you) but a regular car was around 7. So if we assume the car maker uses half palladium and half platinum it would cost them $3575 to charge a converter? Some convertors are worth more than others. I average 2 to 3. They use the price of the car to offset the cc that has the platinum inside. They make a lot and the guys who melt them make a killing. When the cc was added because of emissions control cars started becoming 10 to 12000 dollars. They use a pgm that is not as high as platinum or pall.[certain model] that had been wrecked before it got used almost new produces close to 3 oz.. the new cats that you get are either reconditioned or made of cheap stuff.000 and up. P. finishing. They don't care if it costs them 3 grand to produce one for the new car because they will add that to the new car price. Just an example: before the cc came out on new cars the value of a car was in the mid thousand dollar range. These are after market. Don't let the buyers of cc's lie and say they don't hardly get much more from you on them from their buyers.
California April 25. Kathie Meli junk yard owner . some for scrap at $90 to $100 each. I'm I right in my assumption? Thanks for any help you can give me.Chuck Chuck Graham . evaporate. would it be worth it to purchase a Crucible furnace and extract the platinum/palladium myself? It seems to me that the older and heavier ones would be more valuable. Utah April 30. . HNO3). wash with HCl. 2008 Hi. treat with Ammonium chloride. dry and heat to 500 C to remove impurities. 2008 Reflux the honeycomb in aqua regia (HCl. Oklahoma April 29. I'd like to know: are the cars/trucks with the catalytic converters intact worth more? I'm I being ripped off? Yesterday I found approx. I have been selling the vehicles off one by one. I recently inherited a mini junk yard.San Francisco.Tooele. strain the resulting solution and dispose of the ceramic. How much platinum is in 60 grams of these flakes? 2) where can I sell it? 3) how much can I expect to get per ounce of this stuff? Thanks for your help Joe Goday interested in getting involved .Purcell. 2008 How much precious metal is in 60 grams of catalytic converter flakes? Hi someone please help me with these questions: 1) on ebay people sell collected flakes of platinum from catalytic converters. ten converters in a shed.
How do I or the recycler now the value of each? Surely they do not take them apart on the spot. That part is soooo simple anyone can do it. 2008 I have 6 or so cars that I have been dragging my feet about getting rid of. First of all get a 55 gallon barrel and then start collecting converters.Honeoye Falls. 2008 Well I am sure we are all tired of hearing the same questions over and over again and that HOW. I also know they pay a lot less for 'dirty' metal as I scraped some aluminum window frames a few years ago and was paid a lot less for the ones that had screws and other metal still attached. muriatic acid so you can mix them in the right amounts to make the acid that is needed to extract the metals. Well stop asking the how and just ask what's the best way to make the most money you can.Olalla. Washington June 13. New York May 12. Also. And by the way if your still wanting to try it all your selves. You will notice there are different colored beads. Dale R . then you will need hydrochloric acid. A barrel full is worth about 20. Now I am no rocket scientist but it sure don't take one to fill up that 55 gallon barrel and have it shipped to a refiner in Cali. you can go find what your looking . is there other parts that might be worth my while to scrap. 2008 "And by the way if your still wanting to try it all your selves. you can go find what your looking for on the Discovery network. I am sure they will have a re-run there. then you will need hydrochloric acid. punch a hole in the converters and the beads will usually fall out.000 USD. so what's your choice? I for one will stick to watching "How Its Made" on the Discovery channel and learn from the Pro's on how to safely recycle converters. I won't go in to more detail than that. I won't go in to more detail than that. do they just weigh them and give you a set price.Steve Shaw . Carol Stevens . I am currently in between jobs and could use the money to get me through.with the recent outbreak of thefts. do they? Or.regardless? Just wondering if it will be worth my while to jack up and climb under and cut off the converters. muriatic acid so you can mix them in the right amounts to make the acid that is needed to extract the metals. the dark ones are the trash and the other lighter colored ones are the metals your looking for. I think I should remove and scrap my converters before calling the junk dealer and just giving the cars away. like the starters & alternators? I know they have the copper windings inside.Texas June 17.
It's just ridiculous. Tyler. can perform a precious metal refining process. perhaps without basic chemistry knowledge. Virginia June 19. you tell us about chemicals to thwart us from trying when you people are probably just tossing them into a furnace and pouring brick after brick. that will explain all." see it is that one lil sentence that is a bunch of bull. New Jersey June 27. P. I am sure they will have a re-run there.. Ted Mooney. Then Chuck from Purcell. Then Brian from Buffalo did the same.com Brick. TED. GOOD GRIEF! Y'KNOW. • • • • • But instead of thanking anyone. Then Adam from Mobile pointed you to a patent describing some methods. 2008 OH.Norfolk. all metal will melt at some point. Cory from Tulsa explained in detail how the precious metals can be recovered. "I wont go into more detail than that. finishing. • We've named books." why in the heck can't you people share what you know? instead you have to be all secretive and say oh it's dangerous and you need all these poisonous chemicals.for on the Discovery network.. OK explained an alternate way to do it by melting..E. you demand that someone explain in one paragraph how people of unknown skill and experience. Please study. available from any library. "pouring brick after brick" of precious metal.YOU ALWAYS HAVE SUCH A RESERVED CONTROL . Regards. Dale from Texas suggested collecting the beads in barrels as the best place to position yourself in the recovery chain to make money simply and easily. so why not just melt it out (after all you probably do) because its easier. but went on to name a TV program if you want to go further. Tyler E . and then ask any detailed question you wish and people will probably be delighted to answer it. Why? just to try to discourage us because you don't want us possibly taking your profit if were in your area. 2008 Hi.
. SO MANY OF THEM DO BELIEVE THAT WE MUST BE SALVAGING MANY. BUT. YEAH.. IN ANY MONTH. I'LL GET THROUGH THIS TONIGHT.WITH YOUR RESPONSES TO THESE POSTS AND I DO ADMIRE YOU FOR THAT.. I COULD GATHER ENOUGH STORY MATERIAL TO MAKE A VERY BIZARRE COMEDY.. Wyoming July 4. NOW.. Umm..AND BEFORE MY SIDE STOPS HURTING FROM UNCONTROLLED LAUGHTER.. I SUPPOSE THAT I WOULD NEED TO WRITE-IN A FEW CHASE SCENES AND OTHER HI-TENSION SUBJECT MATTER TO HOLD GENERAL AUDIENCE INTERESTS. ONE HAS TO WONDER IF THEY ARE JOKING WITH US OR (even worse) ARE ACTUALLY SERIOUS ABOUT SOME OF THEIR FANTASTIC BELIEFS AND STATEMENTS.... R.. Allen Cook pgm refiner . 2008 I have started down the Aqua regia route for reclaiming PMG's from cats which I'm quite ... OK. 2008 why when someone lays it out for you you think its wrong? its not safe you can't do it in your house or basement if you get it wrong you die!! SO look it up and then think about it!! get it wrong.'TILL IT STARTS ALL OVER AGAIN TOMORROW MORNING...... AND THEY ALSO BELIEVE THAT THE PROCESS IS SIMPLE AND COSTS VERY LITTLE TO DO IT.I GET A REGULAR DOSE OF COMMENTS FROM INDIVIDUALS CLAIMING THAT THERE'S GOTTA BE SOME SORT OF CONSPIRACY WITH REGARD TO ACTUAL RETRIEVABLE PGM LOADS FROM VARIOUS AUTO CATALYSTS AND INDUSTRIAL SUCCENTS.I HEAR SOMETHING EVEN FUNNIER.. AAARRRRAGGGAAAHHHHH! OK.I HAVE NOTHING TO SAY.FOR HOURS AND HOURS. I DEAL WITH VARIOUS SEGMENTS OF THE PGM RECYCLING INDUSTRY ON A DAILY (and nightly) BASIS AND EVERY TIME I THINK THAT I'VE HEARD IT ALL. California July 4..Moreno Valley... SCREAMING. I DON'T KNOW IF I WOULD WANT TO INCLUDE THE PERSONAL REALITY OF ME WAKING UP IN A COLD-CLAMMY SWEAT.I'M ALRIGHT NOW. you're dead and everyone close to you... cant fix dumb terry Pearson ... TED.gonna pour myself a good brandy. THERE.. BELIEVE ME.OK.... I SWEAR..rock springs.(on a good night) FROM DREAMING ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS THESE MISDIRECTED.I WILL. NAIVE AND SOMETIMES HYSTERICAL PEOPLE HAVE TO SAY TO ME ON THE PHONE OR eMAIL.. MANY TIMES THE ACTUAL AMOUNTS OF THOSE PRECIOUS METALS THAT EXIST IN THE SPENT CATALYSTS. I.I UNDERSTAND JUST HOW OFTEN YOU MUST BITE YOUR LIP AND GIVE A SIGNIFICANT PAUSE TO REFLECT ON THE ABSURDITIES SOME OF THESE POSTERS KEY-OUT.
and so on until the last step of removing slag from the platinum. Perhaps the key to it is the flux's that Chuck uses! Any comments. Texas July 9. I have tried googling on the internet and I have not found any significant "steps" to extract platinum from converters. if anyone had done their homework. However. the current market for rhodium is closer to £18K. but I have no reason to assume they are thieves.Palmerston Nth. What I can't fathom with Chuck's method though is that separation of the PMG's seem to be straight forward but the scientific papers on the subject say you only get separation of the PMG's if you use a carrier metal such as copper. that is how we know there is no real interest in the metal other than its resale value. Sincerely. I will post it on the major internet services (google. I have read these questions and also the answers in great detail tying to resolve the correct procedures to make these extractions of platinum. New Zealand July 4. yahoo. Thank you again. Scott. 2008 Why is it that all these cat convertor thieves are asking how to extract the platinum. I guess in some areas there is catalytic converter theft but I've never heard of an incident in my local newspapers or on my TV stations. Step #3 Melt all of the contents. I personally think people are misguided in their amateur precious metal recovery efforts. I Remain. 2008 Hi. I too am interested in procuring platinum from catalytic converters. Don Weaver hobbyist . etc. they would know that the current market price for an ounce of platinum is closer to $4k. I do like Chuck's method however and if I had seen it early enough would have gone down that road as it appears nice and clean. etc. 2008 Also. England July 9. I would like to thank whom ever sends this information so that it can be distributed to people who do need extra income for their families. Is there any one who can steer us folks in the correct step by step procedures? What # step do the different chemicals get added in? As soon as I obtain the correct step by step procedures for the extraction of platinum from auto catalytic converters. could someone give the correct Step #1 Open up the converter with a torch. and my son who is a . Chuck? Bob Keen .) for all to use.London.comfortable with. being a retired scientist(chemist).Palacios. Scott Edgeler . Step #2 Strip the insides of the converter and place into a large crucible.
PLEEZ.local cop here hasn't seen any incidences of it either.JUST KEY-OUT "KITCO" OK? I'M GONNA GO TO BED NOW. STOP IT SCOTT. I intend to go to . I know when they are refining gold after being mined they use a combination of these five chemicals Manganese Dioxide. Ted Mooney. fluoride. Any answers anyone can provide on this topic would be greatly appreciated. but I am not sure how close to full price I would be able to get for it). SCOTT. WHY ARE U QUOTING SUCH ABSURD SPOT-PRICES FOR PLATINUM AND PALLADIUM? IF YOU WILL REFER TO THE CURRENT DAILY PGM CHARTS DISPLAYED BY KITCO.GAWD. Silica flour. finishing.com Brick. Could you use these same chemicals when melting jewelry? How does this process work? How much of each chemical should be used? What do you use? Also I was thinking of using an electric kiln capable of 2300 F. r. If you've suffered a theft yourself. borax [link is to product info]. C'MON.IT'S STARTING AGAIN. I am interested in getting into this so I have been doing some research. California July 14. YOU WILL KNOW A LITTLE MORE ABOUT WORLD MARKET PRECIOUS METALS BUYING AND SELLING VALUES. and Sodium Nitrate to remove the impurities from the gold.. 2008 My question is for chuck who last posted on this topic back in April.. 2008 OMG.E. allen cook .. would this work? How many times do you have melt the gold to remove all of the impurities? Does the waste or slag eventually come to the surface and then it is easy to pour out or do you have to strain it somehow? How do you measure the purity of gold? Where do you sell your gold when your done? What kind of price should I expect for an ounce of refined gold? (I know what gold is worth.. New Jersey July 11. P.... I'm sorry for you -. but I have some questions. along with a graphite crucible. You said that you reclaimed gold from jewelry..but please don't demand that we make the presumption that anyone we see climbing the church steps is on their way to rob the poor box :-) Regards.moreno valley.
Is this a reasonable price? He works primarily on higher priced cars..19 g platinum. Think boiling acid.) The processor can sell the core for X + Y. Friend of mine runs a repair shop. he pays them X per. He can sell them to a processor for X. He is currently getting $30 each. the chemicals required are. 1.Vista. but the body of the cat itself. 2008 1. B. very dangerous. You have to decide where you want to fit in the process.. 2008 Some pertinent information for potential cat processors. Because cats run at extremely high temperatures. The large English company of Johnson Matthey supply 1 in 3 cars worldwide with cats.78 g rhodium . C.take your pick. I am very tempted to try my hand at recovering metals from cats.Palmerston North. If you mess up. plus Y for (1) the work and expense of collecting them and (2) developing his network of suppliers (the repair shops). The value of your part of the process depends on how much work you want to do.) . The processor must cut open the cats and remove the core (that's where the platinum is. Bob Keen . Every step towards recovering platinum. about 15 cats a week. including concentrated acids. in fact. They indicate that in 1993 cats contained 60 g of precious metals but with new technologies this has been reduced so that now cats only contain 5 g of precious metals and this equates approximately to 3. Garret Boyer . you might do very well building relationships with owners of repair shops..04 g palladium and 0. however. the steel parts are high grade and not easy to cut. You see where this is leading. 2. Guy picks up cats from repair shops.) You want a plasma cutter to work at speed. California July 14. (I'm not talking about the pipes on either side. The info is available on the web. plus Z for . what you know (like chemistry).the library to do more research but if I could talk to someone who has actually done something like this it would help. etc. and what you are good at. explosion . in a cat has a value: A. you will not get a second chance.so it looks as though if you want to get the most out of cat processing you grab the earlier cats most of whom will contain only platinum and palladium. I have some chemistry lab experience. New Zealand July 14. fire. 3. (If you are good with people.
get a life. do multiple levels in the process and avoid what they are not good at . this is a chemical process that is dangerous. Bottom line if you are happy with less recovery.. OR 2. start at step 1. Arizona USA July 18.be it chemistry or people (Ted). what year did they start and stop putting the precious beads in these converters? Actually it's a question of curiosity . since no one has asked it yet. .that you apply. Suggestion: if you do not need cash but want to start a play just start stockpiling CCs. Then learn / test the next step and so forth. If you read through this post and all the threads you will find that there are two pools of thought. they are making a killing but only the ones that stay quiet. difficult and dirty and is a 'pro's only' game requiring much knowledge to avoid death and harm .e. or you are happy to concentrate the cores to the point that that you are comfortable with and learn as you go then that is a great plan..like playing with VooDoo dolls or something. And actually they are right. You do not need to break out the boiling acid to make a buck. Yes. High temp acid and playing with chemical mixtures at any temperature is a great start to a bad weekend. sourcing the CCs. I liked the post that spoke to finding your place in the distribution chain i.Ardsley.Phoenix. 1. Laura Shea . You do NOT have to use a complex and dangerous chemical process to recover these metals unless you need high yield recovery. This is a basic process of extraction... New York July 14. get some cats and refine your process through the chain as you feel comfortable and safe.Frank Richardson . No chem degree required or magical explosions or secretive myths. The level you wish to extract to depends on the level of work & knowledge OR test & try you . 2008 Ted Wow. 2008 I'll take the easy road .
Jolly Roger PS Ted nothing actually against you however I see your feedback and others in the business as being very transparent including mr CAPITALS. Its a closed poverty and scarcity mindset that tries to infect others with the difficulty you found learning it.that why they are in the car. Jon Decker personal interest .Dallas.so I don't know what you mean about "your feedback and others in the business as being very transparent". stripped the cores.. Get wealthy as you go . i. or sell it as-is. refine. That's when you cash in. Be mindful of environmental impacts and keep the cores well stored. Texas July 18. My chemistry and people skills may not be good. Then if you decide the biz (or parts of the biz) is not for you you can sell your cores and cash out and probably make more because the metal prices keep going up. Get rich quick? Nope. but only if they talk about the topic rather than the other posters.don't outline problems but give better solutions so they can learn and grow. learn to safely strip cats. So we'll be happy to print more postings from you.. 2008 Hi.e. but they've been adequate to keep this site going for more than a quarter million postings over 19 years.. So do your 55 gallon drum but keep the drum & learn or sell it only once you know more about its real value. instead why not try to help . Jon. There are carcinogens (cancer causing agents) in exhaust and many bad chemicals . did a fast refinement to concentrate and then started doing the processing side. I learned that the single most important thing necessary for a durable public forum website is to not print ad hominem attacks. Imagine though if you bought CC for 5 years. learn to buy cats. Regards. One last point is keep in mind the cores are dangerous from step 1. wear breathing and other protection.yip. learn to compact the cores. Take a long term view. I don't engage in any business except this website and haven't for many years -.when you get better later and have more skills and contacts you can convert for cash or refine it to the next step of stripping the cores well. . So you are dealing with some pretty bad radicals so be safe...
What's the name of the refinery? Did you actually fill up a 55 gallon barrel full of the beads and sell it for $20.your use of ounces and the confusion of value may be because the measure of TROY ounces for platinum is different from a standard ounce i believe MARCUS Hardy . aqua regia is made with .. 2008 just a quick note. 2008 Hey Dale you said that you can ship a 55 gallon barrel full of CC beads to a refinery in CA.Taunusstein.Brunswick. Georgia July 21. Georgia July 22. 2008 I think you should look at what other products have Platinum in them there must be other applications that are not so hard to find electronics maybe? L.. you will need to dissolve it in a hot aqua regia. California July 22. but it is dangerous. and believe you can do it with platinum. I called around to a few places and they say you can't get nearly that much for them. 2008 I have been searching for company or companies that recycle auto catalytic converter to transact business with. Please explain. 2008 I believe I know how. Hessen.E.Vista. Mims Research . Germany July 20. I have done this with gold. calculated in kg? I get my goods from Europe.Atlanta. New Jersey July 19.Ted Mooney. P. Africa and Asia. i want a direct dealer. or did you just hear from someone that you could sell them for that much.000 to a refinery in CA.com Brick. Collins Emeka Ali wholesaler . finishing. Garret Boyer . company that buy complete cat converter or buy those that have been removed from the case.
wired. This can be done in a 30 gallon steel barrel with a crucible inside. please at least warn the folks at 9-1-1 before you start.) Fred Weivraer . and kryptonite and stuff. note: Regarding theft of catalytic convertors. this makes the acid start to work. Chuck was the smartest and closest poster yet. 2008 Hey.com/cars/2008/02/asplatinum-soa.html July 30. but seriously folks. Next take it to an area far away from human traffic .blog. 2008 I am going to explain the easiest way to do this. acids are very dangerous when you heat them. However keep in mind that it can be extremely dangerous if you are not constantly paying attention. the fumes and smoke are . Well. See you soon. I got me some cat converters we found just hangin off the cars in the walmart parkin lot. to get the $50. uranium. titanium.000 worth of palladium. gold appears as a white powder on the filter. 2008 hey I'm touss in ga and want to know more about selling these cats i have in my junk cars! please do help who buys them and how much? touss black auto sales . platinum. First you take the contents of the CC whether it be beads or honeycomb and melt it.hydrochloric and nitric acids.Bremerton. the melting point of platinum is 1755°C. I am not sure about platinum. And don't ask me to do too much readin! (No. Wait. much hotter than gold at 1063°C I hope this helps and gives you enough information that you will be able to make a good decision on is it really worth it! Dennis Misenar . see-.morrow. cover the remainder with water. what? Oh.Grand Rapids. Georgia August 8. Washington Ed. after you dissolve the platinum you can recover it by filtering out the acid through a coffee filter. You will have to crack the ceramic in a few places to accelerate the melt. never mind. After the melt has cooled cover half of it with chemically pure nitric acid. and me and some of my buds here in the trailer park are thinkin of settin up an advanced precious metals extraction lab in my shed (thinkin of callin it "Hazmat Heaven") and I wanna know from you people what's a cheap easy way I can learn from one post. Michigan August 4. It is best to use a large ceramic coated cooks pot so you don't have to transfer the liquid later. here's a message from a Firefighter/EMT/Hazmat Tech: You have no more business doing "do it yourself" metallurgy of this type than you have making your own fireworks or booze.
Palmerston North. Zinc. then dissolve the lead (and the palladium will also go) out of the button with nitric acid leaving the platinum behind. The PbO is reduced to lead which acts as a carrier metal for the precious metals. Carry out a large scale fire assay approach and add litharge to the flux mix. 2008 A query to Chuck . there is always danger in attempting to extract precious or semi-precious metal due to the heat and gas-release aspect. All metals give off varying degrees of toxic fumes during the smelting process. Petersburg. you have been rather shy in coming back with answers but you may come back on this one. 2008 .. Copper. the acid will eat everything but gild and platinum metals .truly DEADLY. Bob Keen . Does this not fit in with your description of the two metals being melted? As I see it for any one who has.. Florida August 21. or can build a crucible furnace capable of melting bronze your still in the picture. If any of you readers try this approach please report back on the minimum amount of litharge you can use and don't be so damn secretive. take what is left in the bottom of the pot to a refiner and they will refine it and pay you much more than you will get if you sell them whole. Put this on an old gas barbecue with a side burner and heat it . Gold. Platinum . All must be MELTED (smelted)to a liquid or semi-liquid state in order to separate it from all other metals/minerals/waste. Sliver. This means it takes a crucible furnace that can melt bronze if you want to recover silver or gold but you need a special crucible furnace that can reach above the upper limit of iron to at least melt the palladium which would act as a carrier metal for platinum which melts at a higher temperature.St. Some metals must undergo multiple smeltings to be purified to a level which makes "recovery/collection" feasible. Tin.. What is the process for extraction/recovery of platinum from vehicle catalytic converters that makes it "risky" or "near-impossible" ? . Yes.. Mercury. REMEMBER this is very dangerous but it works Angelo C retired . I've carried out a literature search the results of which indicate that with the crucible furnace approach the temperature of the contents of the crucible must be such as to melt the precious metal under consideration for it to form a button of metal in the bottom of the mould. Aluminum. Iron. Steel. Different metals require different temperatures to melt/smelt/separate.Hi Chuck. New Zealand August 22.
Houston. 2008 Hi I have a reactor for leaching catalysts same catalytic convertors process is simple and .... foundry equipment. i. 2008 My. DON'T. you are truly a wise man replying calmly to a variety of wildly different and equally stupid comments in your own due time. let me say to others before they post: IF YOU ARE THINKING OF TRYING TO GET INTO THE PRECIOUS METALS EXTRACTION BUSINESS AS A SMALL TIME PERSONAL BUSINESS.. Mississippi August 26. G'Day ! . Keep up the good work. And further is it possible and feasible and cost effective? William Perry researcher . There are easier ways to scrounge up fifty bucks.cathode and anode for a 7 kw solid oxide fuel cell to produce electricity. Alabama October 27. DON'T.. Ted. Forget it. IF YOU ARE THINKING OF STEALING CATALYTIC CONVERTERS TO SELL FOR PROFIT. Cheers Ian Vollers .Jackson.. As an outsider having come in this subject with an impartial point of view and having reached a conclusion.. Like how to separate the platinum from the other elements.. rch Richard Howell . just curious . what a strange and interesting corner of the internet this is to have stumbled into. It is a risky criminal venture and you'll be making probably about $50 off of it. 2008 I am trying to come up with enough platinum from an automobile's catalytic converters to build the stacks. Can anyone steer me in the right direction and method to obtain the elements that is inside the catalytic converter.e. You can only profit from refining the platinum if you are set up to do it in a professional working environment. This requires $millions.and the ceramic that are found in cat converters.West Blocton. Texas October 13.
.effective recovery platinum is 97% in this process we load pacol catalyst about 15 KG then add sodium cyanide 60 liter 1% after 2 h and 160 c platinum and other precious metals dissolve we recover solution on anionic resin after burning resin we have pure platinum then this platinum purified. 2008 I was given some platinum shavings from my father in law.89 2h 00m View all disclaimer December 15.. I don't know how much of it is pure or not but I'm having a hard time finding a place i can sell to. the solution that forms is very dilute and the small amount of heat released is not enough to vaporize and spatter it. Alaska . But I will say: DO NOT LISTEN TO Angelo C retired .. you form an extremely concentrated solution of acid initially.. 2008 Sorry folks had to say something on the subject. So much heat is released that the solution may boil very violently. Dennis Klabel peddler .. Travis Watkins . platinum.. DIGITAL SCALE $27.hollis.. most discoveries are made from mistakes after all.silver. U. So Always Add Acid to water.. FL. If you add water to acid.. and never the reverse. and zinc are hard for me to identify unless I already know what it is. Anyhow it's not anyone's place to say you shouldn't experiment with these suggestions.Lexington. NEVER ADD WATER TO ACID. Some precious metals are obvious but. If anyone knows of a place it would be most helpful.Swansea. Iran November 12... Wales. Mahmoodbeigi .Esfahan.if not sorry for wasting your time. Kentucky 6 ACID GOLD TEST KIT + PLUS ONE 600 GR. I don't normally write on forums just read them. Petersburg.. So if you know where to acquire one. 2008 I need to find the device that is used to identify which precious metal I have acquired.aluminum. splashing concentrated acid out of the container! If you add acid to water. November 21.please reply.K. Dave tupps .St..
Chris.E.. Chris Jones . everyone should be allowed to experiment with these processes and perhaps learn a better way to extract these precious metals. FL. 2008 "DO NOT LISTEN TO Angelo Casa retired . This isn't just book stuff. and then you'll never have a problem wondering whether the acid is weak enough to keep you out of trouble. this is called the heat of liberation.. not the concentration. The principle is that if a droplet of water is added to strong acid. Most of the new questions have been answered farther back. Never been a problem with it. and it's the safe procedure to learn. and never the reverse. When water and acid are mixed. you can have a situation where that droplet is surrounded by concentrated acid and as it begins to mix.December 21. I am only changing the volume of acid. NEVER ADD WATER TO ACID. Regards.. I must fill a 55 gallon drum with 10 gallons of hydrochloric acid and then dilute with 45 gallons of water.com Brick.. it seems that some haven't even read the whole forum. If you add water to an acid which is already sufficiently diluted. I think that you should read up and lean the do and don'ts of the process but in the end.. So much heat is released that the solution may boil very violently. Ted Mooney. 2008 I must add that thus far. it may cause no problem. New Jersey December 19. This has been done this way every week since the place opened in 1967." I completely disagree.. heat is produced. finishing. splashing concentrated acid out of the container! If you add acid to water. As for being informed and the morality of "stealing" a process.let's pretend I have a 5 gallon pail with 1 gallon of hydrochloric acid in it.St. So Always Add Acid to water. Once weekly. I add another gallon of the same acid to the 5 gallon pail. Petersburg. at my place of employment.. the heat of liberation can be great enough to flash that droplet of water to steam and blow concentrated acid out of the mixing container. you form an extremely concentrated solution of acid initially. P. the solution that forms is very dilute and the small amount of heat released is not enough to vaporize and spatter it. . Now.Neenah Wisconsin Hi. If you add water to acid. it's real stuff that has injured many people. But Angelo is correct about the principle. simple or not.
if it does. Better to have the money in your pocket than someone else's. I can understand but just cutting the cats open and the shipping all the insides to someone who is more trained and .not the bio diesel one ) ? Fahd Mellal .. Some scrap yards try to pay you the minimum price ($5). there are places all around Minnesota that buy old cats. the cat is still worth something just not the full price. 2008 Cats are worth about $50-75 when the scrap prices are good.. they have the best cat prices. Good luck and be careful. is there any companies who sell these system ? (the Metals recovering system . that I am responding is if you check up about gas and other such fossil fuel emissions. in Monticello MN they have Integrated Recycling. Mike Brown .The real reason. like the bio diesel making system .Ottawa. adding to the cat's original metal content. you will learn that gold. platinum. will pay 50-75 dollars. The cats actually catch these metal particles. though. Canada December 31. are found in these fuels and are released into the air upon burning. do so. You may be doing a small favor to the environment. If you can refine it yourself though the above mentioned process by the others. This is why you can buy a $200 cat and 5 years later.. Minnesota January 7. The process of extracting these materials was only partially aired on TV not too long ago where the spokesman of the company let slip that cats do the same filtering and collecting as his plant does through filtering emissions. as for half full half empty they are talking bout how much stuff is inside the cat. sell it for about $100 (where it just seems to be an old piece of junk) The gentleman had shown a tray of blackish powder and stated that its contents were platinum and palladium (mostly) and was worth over 3 million dollars. if you can see through the end it is hollow. etc. even though the process is complex enough.. Think about it. 2009 Ok I understand everybody's concern in the welfare of other's safety. (no good) also if you shake it it should not make a noise if it is full. but the refineries wouldn't be there unless it was absolutely worth it. Others that actually take into consideration about the money they will make off you.. palladium. Lisa Harrison hobbyist ..Willmar. some places even pay up to a hundred.Alberta. Ontario. You are in fact collecting these precious materials for someone else to make a lot of profit. 2008 I thinking what most of the people want to know is if there is a complete prefabricated system we can buy and use to extract this metals.. Canada December 26. This makes the cats more valuable than they actually started off as and this discovery had been made some 30 years ago.
Just remember. that someone seeking the "easy" (read that as idiot's) way to extract the precious metals is more than likely a thief.Pittsburgh. BTW. Food for thought: If you don't want to take the time to read these posts or want to learn then your setting yourself up for failure. rather. Thank You BRAD Bradley Kemp . Do not ask me if the catcon is worth someone's life. change your policies to force sellers of catcons to provide their photo ID. 2009 I spent the time reading through every post that was made. and possibly take a photo of the seller to insure that they can be reached if it turns out they have been buying and selling stolen parts. Michael Manning . 2009 Hello all. as well as license plate number. and I have heard of someone who has been hit 3 times. This is becoming an epidemic. Good luck . If there is a way that I can do this please share. I am just curious to see what type of money can really be made I am never shy of a new business venture. Pennsylvania January 17. There was a lot of good info that was given and very helpful. make and model of their vehicle. In Seattle alone its a huge business stealing cats and from the looks of it its spreading all over the US.Round Rock. Texas January 31. it is now legal in Texas to kill someone who is stealing from you. Mine was stolen yesterday while it was parked outside my apartment. The thieves have been stealing from hard working people who may not really to be able to afford replacement parts.experienced with the right resources in this type of field sounds like a good idea to me. But from what I have noticed is 75% of the people that were asking about which ones were worth more or demanding to know how to refine/extract the rare minerals out are the thieves. and I know of many people in my area who will be protecting their vehicles with a shotgun. If you are a scrap dealer. I ran across this after the catcon was stolen from under my 4Runner whilst at the grocery store. ask the scumbag thief if his/her life is worth getting caught.
in time and research and experimentation and labor. P. I'm not going to use Ted's site to promote another. We'll let specialty sites that carry more detail guide the readers on which converters are more valuable. there is a gold refining website I saw that tells you a lot more than I would have. New Jersey February 5. Most people refining these metals don't have a clue as to the chemistry involved. note that knowledge is power. and get the same results. and welding smoke to attract attention.David Fiiola . 2009 Okay. we wouldn't print their inquiries :-) I reported earlier that my son.com Brick. Why? Because I paid for my education. I can't take it anymore. we are editing postings that claim that particular converters are 'better' to get hold of than others. David. I suggest learning chemistry well enough to know what is happening. If we knew which posters (if any) were thieves. Also. hadn't encountered catalytic converter theft -.but that has changed. light.E. Giving the fruits of that labor for free assigns no value to my work. Sorry that you were a victim of this theft. He noted that on some new models the converter can be removed with wrenches . Second. a local cop. 2009 Hi. So as this trend of catalytic converter theft continues to spread. The bottom line is: There is no great mystery to metals refining and it is not hard. because "better" can be code for "easier to steal". I am not going to tell you how to refine the Platinum Group Metals (PGMs) either. Regards. You can Google books on inorganic chemistry and just download . Once I tell the world that.Seattle Washington February 2. That being said. The only way a small minority refiner can compete with larger more well heeled refiners is to have figured out a way to do the job smarter and cheaper.no saw or torch. There is so much confusion and disinformation in this thread I just had to say something. They just do as they saw their boss do. Google it. finishing. I put myself out of business. Ted Mooney. First. and that has made them targets (because thieves can rob them en masse from a car dealership with less noise.
BTW the metals from fire refining will be nowhere near pure... +++++++ The process to do so is known as carbochlorination and the simplified textbook definition of the process is as follows: . Or read De Re Metallica. there is no simpler. Why reinvent the wheel? Forget this manner completely. you NEVER need to use Cyanides or hydrofluoric acid. A Crucible and crucible furnace is all you need along with some borax and silica sand. April 24.. ++++++ Recovery is dangerous and shouldn't be attempted by an untrained individual though. strain the resulting solution and dispose of the ceramic. but not all contained.. 2008 I too used to think like most of you until I talked to a gentleman who owns a bronze sculpture foundry. Why would you use silica sand to flux an aluminosilicate? With the low temp of a bronze furnace. or for Cat Con substrate. I am also going to suggest that all of you get rich quick guys. HNO3). However this is a teaser. This actually will get you some PGMs. (And the term reflux might confuse many). from this point on I am going to go over these posts from the start and add input. You should have the same level of knowledge and training needed for those. There are a few more needed steps you are not told . This is nonsense. in the library more than 30 years ago and use a search engine to find the modern terms for the archaic ones he uses (Although we still use "aqua regia"). You can get it easily and cheaply (free for electronics in most municipalities). as I did. I don't plan on giving you a guide to how I make my living.If you can't understand that then you're out of luck. treat with Ammonium chloride. you can refine it at room temperature. drop Cat Converters and concentrate on electronic scrap and low grade plated stuff. There are safer substitutes. just a process someone tried to adapt to PGMs. There are many available online from the 1800s and early 1900s. So. As an aside. but I do want to help stop people from doing "stupid human tricks" in the mistaken belief they are learning something. Wha??? I don't know where to start on this one. You also don't have to use Nitric acid.and read them. evaporate. For that matter.. The base metals also have value and will help you stay profitable. step by step method of doing this. This is not the ordinary way to do it. It's no more dangerous than plating or finishing. dry and heat to 500 C to remove impurities. without heat (or w/ slight solar) in plastic buckets and barrels. it is someone trying to find a new more complicated way to do it. safely if you build your own scrubbers. April 30. .. with cheap readily available chemicals. it isn't even a process for PGMs. I in turn found out the secret. and then you have almost pure platinum and palladium.. The best you will get is micro-beads embedded in flux. wash with HCl. 2008 Reflux the honeycomb in aqua regia (HCl. you would need a much more aggressive flux and the metals won't drop anyway. There are other oxidizers.
. gold appears as a white powder on the filter Hope you didn't dump all that funny yellow green colored solution after you kept your "white powder on the filter"... You will not get pure precious metals with fire refining. you dumped the gold. muriatic acid so you can mix them in the right amounts to make the acid that is needed to extract the metals. 2008 Perhaps the key to it is the flux's that Chuck uses! Any comments. let's all just assume this guy is joking..use a combination of these five chemicals Manganese Dioxide. July 4. still be selling to a refiner... but simply highly purified metals. 2008 Carry out a large scale fire assay approach and add litharge to the flux mix This melt will take hours to drop the metals. dental lab.. platinum and palladium and saved a filtrate of silver chloride (and maybe some mercury and lead chloride). Therefore your goal is not to produce absolutely pure metals. Borax. then you will need hydrochloric acid. Fumes and smoke. won't be pure enough for a plater) you will. Silica flour.Where do you sell your gold when your done? Ah. commercial (technical) nitric will work very vigorously without adding water.I was thinking of using an electric kiln capable of 2300 F. 2008 ..here. However keep in mind that it can be extremely dangerous if you are not constantly paying attention. But he points you in the right direction.. The lead fumes will get you an EPA summons. In most of these posts no one has examined the question of what to do with it once you have refined it. August 21. Chuck? Chuck's method as listed is claptrap.where is this guy? The EPA will lock your ass up.. depending on how you used your nitric. along with a graphite crucible The crucible will not last long with those oxidizing fluxes and you will need an awful lot of flux. you might also have saved tin on the filter. In a jewelry melt it will not separate the silver or palladium. Electric kilns are not a good idea. If so. July 22. Period. People. Could you use these same chemicals when melting jewelry? This is for fire refining. .. 2008 And by the way if your still wanting to try it all your selves.. fluoride. Chuck was the smartest and closest poster yet. 2008 .after you dissolve the platinum you can recover it by filtering out the acid through a coffee filter. and Sodium Nitrate to remove the impurities from the gold. August 8. You just told everyone to mix an acid with itself to extract. there's the rub. Melt ceramic in a ceramic pot? How about melting ice in a block of ice? Chemically pure nitric acid? What is that? Water makes the acid work? Trust me. June 13. . He will take his cut. . In a really bizarre case.. in the end. Unless you have an end user (caster. July 14. 2008 I am going to explain the easiest way to do this. The reason you refine your metals is to separate them so you can't be beaten in an assay or weighing. I agree: you're no rocket scientist.
and zinc are hard for me to identify unless I already know what it is. and during the sulfuric acid treatment of the petroleum. Wrong. Pyro-metallurgy is not the way for the small operator to go. platinum. New York February 12. Do your research first. Hydro-metallurgy is.. 1 bottle of nitric. 2009 Thanks. platinum. December 19. Some precious metals are obvious but.. 2008 All must be MELTED (smelted)to a liquid or semi-liquid state in order to separate it from all other metals/minerals/waste. that was quite an exposition! Regards. This sounds like an Eco Urban Myth to me.. The metals in the exhaust are from your engine parts wearing and oxidizing and blowing past the rings via the oil. For the other metals. Or get the test stone and the empty bottles and make your own. you will still see metal beads that didn't drop. you will learn that gold. that I am responding is if you check up about gas and other such fossil fuel emissions. The metals in the fuels would be captured in the asphalt tailings left from distillation. aluminum. 1 bottle of nitric plus table salt. November 21.Mount Vernon. If you dissolve the lead and palladium.. and have fun on your projects. a test stone. Good luck guys.You will spend more money on fuel and litharge than you will make in PGMs. and a set of test needles. etc. set up safely. 2008 in this process we load pacol catalyst about 15 KG then add sodium cyanide From what I have seen from the posts here. as far as efficiencies and techniques. palladium. silver. Nothing NEEDS to be melted until you are ready to make it into a bar. The slag will be loaded with lead and illegal to dump except as a hazardous waste. Get a test kit from a jewelers supply company. I received a lot of enjoyment in refining by making little discoveries no one else had. Gary Wilson . are found in these fuels. Gary. . check this website for posts on testing the various metals. Examining the slag under a microscope. though. what do you do to recover the palladium? August 22. October 27. NO ONE inquiring should ever touch cyanide. 2008 I need to find the device that is used to identify which precious metal I have acquired. 2008 The real reason. I also found the chemistry itself to be fascinating.
I am going back to primitive for gold recovery and will let the professionals do their thing with the platinum. Here is where economies of scale come in. I have also tried to smelt the gold from my cons using a furnace and flux. California March 27. 2009 The company I work for refines semi-precious metals to semiconductor grade (7 nines). and your assay cost per kilo drops. Now even if you've spent the money to get your Pt assayed. This generally means getting a representative sample of your batch assayed. you will NOT get anywhere near top dollar. I have played with acids (hydrofluoric) and others and created more problems than I started with in the "simple" recovery of gold from rock.99% pure. 4 nines purity. Scott Myers . I will get more for my time and less potential lose to my health. I appreciate the knowledge of others who are looking to recover platinum from cats.g. I think if I cut the cats. The more valuable a metal is. If your metal does not meet the grade. Going to an assay lab to get a single sample assayed is not cheap.Medford. Oregon March 4. The chemical process seems to be the best. separate the honeycomb. Typically the prices that you find online for semi-precious and precious metals are for a specific grade . with larger batches comes larger setup and equipment costs.e.Sacramento. finishing. . 2009 EASY MONEY. one of which I will expand on: how to sell the metal once it's purified.com Brick. P. or 99. Good luck to any one who wants to do this in their garage. and will cut into your profits significantly. increased hazard and risk. again more problems. and so on. the more your potential buyer is going to expect you to prove the purity.Ted Mooney. But.E. I am not stupid nor a scientist. who's going to buy it? Most of . resulting in a certificate of analysis. Gary Wilson has made some excellent points. New Jersey February 12. make your batch really big. 2009 i smelted my catalytic converter with a torch and got a silver metal of about the size of 4 quarters i was wondering what type of metal it is thanks yev yevgeniy ganchenko hobbyist. Right? Hello. The methods that Chuck suggested in heating will probably work if you have a better understanding of this process than I do. but with my limited desire to play with extremely or mildly dangerous chemicals and also stay alive I will skip this.
for the informative site.you think a complex process such as Pt-extraction.Glovertown NL Canada April 4.hopefully I'll find an equally entertaining thread to read! Al E .you don't know the difference between HCl and muriatic acid. my advice to some of you is that you shouldn't bother trying to extract the Pt yourself if: .British Columbia. . 2009 Hi Ted. Yes. I plan to return .Ted 12044 :-) March 30. or brain surgery can be explained in a simplistic step-by-step fashion via a blog. you will be able to sell your metal to someone out there.you think there's some sort of conspiracy afoot simply because no one is telling you what you WANT to hear. .you've never heard of PPE. note: if you're looking for entertainment in the dialogs. 2009 . By the way. and won't cost yours or your family's health.you don't know the difference between a gram and an ounce.you don't know what a fume hood is. but leave the refining for someone else. has anyone tried to zone refine Pt? Thanks. In fact they're trying to tell you what you NEED to hear . . After reading this entire thread. I have read through this entire thread as some others have. Ted. . It's cleaner. my all-time favorite is letter -.com) if so what were you results? Thanks Glenn Glenn Burry . ( www. My question is. would be to follow the advice of Dale R.shorinternational. does anybody have any experience with the iShor system. It would seem the obvious and safest way would be to salvage the converters and store the guts of them into a drum for resale at a later date. easier. but if you don't have access to the customers who can and will pay top dollar. Canada ---Ed. Al. you won't likely get top dollar. in my opinion.you have to be a qualified supplier or have a quality management system in place (in other words ISO certification). Concentrate the Pt.you're just not listening. The easiest money. . I too am interested in refining Plat.the companies we deal with cannot buy from just anyone .
based on karats of course.). I have spent the last five hours of my life. computers being my own acquired skill. While there. to the . junk. from refiners to traders to storage facilities. Did you prospectors know this is used in cell phone capacitors.) The customer would either accept the price. to other acids. in the processors. and said that he was driving over to his dealer. to Kitco. I witnessed at least six transactions with actual customers. potentially wasting a beautiful Saturday afternoon. He literally begged to be able to leave and check a few places. the old man said no. up until this moment. he stone tested it with acids. repeatedly. From eBay. The seller sat in a chair for a full 30 minutes! He made a few calls on his cell. Judging by the equipment. because of low corrosion. With no malice at all. from contracts to futures. the gold is in the contacts. and help him set up a simple Excel spreadsheet for the weight/karat/price calculations. deny it. to Monex. price of gold. etc. car. He weighed the material (necklaces. from Karat percentages. From breaking up the parts first. to what might be in Grandma's drawer. or other factors. had trouble moving. from Platinum to Gold to Silver to Rhodium to Palladium. glued to the laptop. That simple. etc. I read about alchemy.This has been fascinating! I work on computer systems for small offices. At that point. to grams to ounces. (He paid one woman more than 70%. he once used a very expensive looking specific gravity machine because he wasn't sure about a piece. and they shook hands with an air of respect. He sold the gold. On Friday. I was hooked. to filters. One customer had a 135 grams between a bracelet and a watch. based on 55% to 70% of spot. he had the gold packed up. While working this morning I constantly got sidetracked searching for gold ounce. because she had a sick child with her. That's the business. then he quoted a price. coins. depending on quality. The old man made an offer. whether the customer might come back. bullion. I installed the equipment. to flame assay. then told the man that if he left the offer would be void. I even spent a good ten minutes a good ten minutes on Tantalum. from bullion and bars to coins and jewelry. That lead me to extraction. I must admit. upped it by $100 once. to aqua regia. and it's heavier than Pt!!! :) Of course I then ended up at "retrieving gold from computer parts". He said those types of things come back to you. rejected some. a watch movement). ambiance. or spread the word to others. from buy amounts based on spot. I was interested. etc. He was an old man. He used a calculator to reduce the weights to actual gold content. and wireless printer from me last week for his new location. I left with him at the end of the day. etc. 486s are good. if there were other items in the weight (stones. but a necessity for something else. sometimes on the PCBs. the discovery of Pt. Pentiums not so much. kept others. it seemed as though he is no longer working out of a necessity for money. sell amounts based over spot. watches. a router. A "gold buyer" bought two laptops. or they might haggle for a few minutes. to sell at 90% of spot.
to his credit. Somewhere in the mix of gold extraction. I would see this young man every couple of weeks. so the Nazis wouldn't steal them. What? Catalytic Converters? This of course led me to junkyards. People whose work is repetitive. he loves computers like me. I came across cats. People who earn. is an understood human condition. was the surprise of the day. recast. or just have. I have never spent this much time reading a forum. and presented again after WWII. and my work was done. or based prior family success just don't seem understand this. Eventually. I started to feel bad. With hopeful eyes he asked "How can I make a game like Warcraft?" He looks up to me as knowledgeable. a few weeks ago. They were stored on a shelf for ten years. Then to American. it might never end. . even amongst all this great information. acquired skill sets. but I didn't have the time to teach. based on a limited skill set. The alchemists were great. Acquired skill sets are a unique tool. they were getting more insightful. That's how I found this site in my searches. pre-cors also have value. but not as good after that.philosopher's stone. industry articles. And I never post. But still. He had his home computer hooked up. He reminded me of myself when I was his age. even 90s are good. To quote another poster "quite an unusual an interesting corner of the internet". Some people have taken the time to acquire them. 70s. I figured if I opened this can of worms. and. The basic frustration of not JUST BEING TOLD HOW. after markets no good. Not ever in recent memory. automotive sites. based on brute force or labor. The son was there. I was speechless. 60s. others have not. Did you know that the Nobel peace prizes for two Danes were dissolved in Aqua Regia. then extracted. I found myself at the client's office at 3 pm on a Saturday. You can't ask the questions: How do I trade futures? How do I open a bank? How do I transplant a heart? How do I program a computer? etc. graphic and sound files. multiple skill sets required. based on sales and networking. I love Ted's well mannered and well thought out mediations. Foreign. he couldn't sit at a computer and even start. understand this. The barrage of questions never ended. who is the son of one of my clients. I was asked the last question several months ago by a young 14 year old boy. I attempted to talk about languages. Which. (spring break. reports of thefts.
is far more valuable. Three hours later he had a still picture of a little man. To those of you here that have such skills. I would then humble myself. read some more. pick up an old kitchen hood for sure. contributing. He did it all. I never touched the keyboard. I just might buy a couple books on hydro-metallugry. After three to six months. In the meantime. The only casualty is that Dad will probably have to buy the full version of Visual Studio. and a small bullet that fired when the space bar was pushed. that when pushed prints "Hello World!". contact a refiner. that is often considered the ceremonial start of every programmer's career. It's like a small bank account. if only you were local. so I sat down. I would venture outside and try to extract from a core. Even the academic license is over $300. For those that aren't acquainted. Goldwave (for sound). upset the girlfriend. do some more searches. I imagine I can figure this out with experimentation. I'd probably be able to extract a small globule. etc. a few scrapes on my knuckles and forearms. that gives the human motivation to develop skill. This is not a discipline that will net you profit in the short term. it is the enticement of reward. 1 to 3 weekends a month. The skill acquired if actually successful. and set up a table in the driveway. That is the most profitable position in the supply chain that you can put yourself in with the lowest risk and knowledge. real estate is tough right now).). and the true point of the journey. is to buy them right. I taught. from the last position of the image. strip the core yourself (I am a fairly well acquainted with light contracting and auto repair. Just keep them for a minute. socializing. and I can't wait to see what he's come up with. It felt great. etc. bowls. but a small price to pay when put in perspective. moving around the screen at the command of the arrow keys. a couple higher grade saw blades.and he had to go into the office with his dad everyday. I don't necessarily want you to tell. you should have seen the look on this kid's face. As with my friend above. filters. Guys and Gals. I had some time. I might spend a couple hundred on buckets. and collect the honeycomb/beads. After reading for a couple of weekends. whether you actually end up with enough to be profitable is almost moot. I started him off with a one-button form. This would be at the end of what would have become an . and trailed off the screen. that was played when the bullet fired. maybe a good vise. His father said he hasn't left the computer since! I'm sure we'll have another session. watching. I'd rather spend a couple weekends learning. acids. If you've got a hundred or so. I would fail miserably. maybe make a few posts. of less than 1 gram of Pt. and a trial copy of Visual Studio. We downloaded Paint Shop Pro. recorded with Goldwave and incorporated into Visual Studio. and maybe finishing up with beers and pizzas. The Pt is the reward. end up with something I don't know what to do with. There was a small laser sound that the kid made into the microphone below the monitor. My conclusion from today is that the best method of profiting from cats.
gold plated jewelry. and acquiring skill over time. At that point. I would have a reasonable set of beginner hydro-metallurgy skills. it's just that it doesn't work that way.. read more. But. attentive. etc. After another three to six months. gold filled jewelry. There is just as much joy in And more importantly. Ross Lerner . Jason Jegge buyer . In the end. computer boards. the amount recovered might justify my streamlined process. the man will make himself wealthy. and very satisfying KNOWLEDGE. "Give me a chopper pilot program Tank!" But trust me. unless I chose this as a new. and patient men. acquired skill. you have to put in the time. Some of the people on this forum know metallurgy. and is there a typical amount expected (1 Honda. 2 Lexus LS400). I think I'll find that if I just sold my cores I would have made enough money. (or woman) PLENTY of wonderful women in science. The old man knows gold and jewelry. the learning tempers the spirit.San Jose. try more variations. I will have acquired some very valuable. time-consuming process. and EXPERIENCE. hard workers. programming. You can't cheapen the knowledge acquired by great scientists.eight to fifteen step tedious... time and materials. We only have time for so many. No matter what. just to use it in a weekend to make a buck. It would be able to consistently extract metal from beads. the difference wouldn't justify the TOTAL labor. That's how acquired skill works. permanent endeavor. combs. Ted. SKILL. I would be able to justify the labor and materials required for the profit. six to nine months total. I'd spend even more time on this. it won't be as much fun. It is quite the reverse. Where can I have it sent for processing. 2009 I have honeycomb material from several used converters.EUREKA!!!! It would feel great! I'd be damn proud of my little gram of Pt! I'd step up my efforts. I know you have a position against ad hominem posts. California . and networking. but I really hope you include this. and creates responsibility. I have attempted to address a theme that is central to this thread.. deliberate. By being patient. Kentucky April 6. S. and people! I know small office computers. I hope I have accomplished my goal.Louisville. over time. Perhaps one day the Matrix programming disks will be available. It's not that people don't want to tell you. But. to train the mind. It has to be acquired.
thanks bec becky wilhelm car business . to have your own arc-furnace? Can this be done in your backyard? Thank you. 2009 I have found the perfect. Will it be possible to recover pgm's from catalytic converters? I've read that. Provide each kid with a steel bar and have them take turns beating on the cat. Get the neighborhood kids over to the house and tell them the cat is a pinada. reasonably cheap means to extract the Precious Metals from the Cat. 2009 Hi. Once the cat has been ruptured tell them to pick up all the metal that falls out and place in the bucket for recovery. If they are disappointed that there was no candy tell then the next Cat you are going to hang has the candy.I was actually looking up information for symptoms of a clogged catalytic converter (cc) & since I usu. look pretty thoroughly I eventually found a site that says one probably could sell the cc if replacing so then I decided to look up selling cc and found this.Barranquilla. dissolve with sulfuric acid and the precious metals will be left behind. Best to all Bob Bayle government . granulate the new alloy. 2009 Hello and here's my 2 cents (which if smelted or melted or schmelted is not as much as two cents from a century ago but I digress) .Springfield. After many months of experimenting with acids I have finally recovered some gold from electronic scrap. which after page one I was hoping the pages wouldn't go too fast but now I have to get back to my original task of troubleshooting my car but have been sucked into this post this is to me a microcosm of everything people have been discussing since Plato and beyond. patented or copyrighted etc for a time being to enjoy the fruits of your labor and opt . I wonder how expensive will it be. Alonso Borrero hobbyist . After reading this though I have a real practical question.newton North Carolina May 13. Atlantico. maybe I've been breathing too many cc fumes but it is close and has a lot of the elements. 2009 i have read all of the forums but I have yet to understand where do you sell them !!!! i live in NC and i am still trying to understand who do i sell to a refinery or a recycler.April 18. Colombia April 30. but also and just as important is the freedom of information point I'd like to share. If you have a yard with a tree cast a rope around a heavy branch and tie up the cat. you should smelt the whole "catcon" in an electric arc-furnace with scrap steel. Virginia May 5. I see it basically at present like this: if looking in the long term no ones goals really contradict unless they are destructive what I mean is that if you are a small business person (who I admire) you might want to have your work trademarked. Repeat these steps until all precious metals have been retrieved.
full free information always (in the long term maybe not the short) has unanimous good results and do not contradict each other that is why a country like the USA has prospered and why secretive ones stay stagnant and dark but I am looking at things in decades not days .and a lot of people have shared a lot of information. just look at the examples of software and computer viruses etc open source is a good thing and hiding information is actually more destructive and is only a mirage of safety which is actually more destructive. it's laid out pretty straightforward here. Thomas Key .000 degrees and more.it would be basic 6th grade or 3rd grade science and we'd probably be exploring for platinum on other star systems because if the new learner always got to learn from all the mistakes from the teacher (I'll say) then their time could be cut and they would have new mistakes not yet made to learn from and so on.. also the other side of the coin (I did say my two cents lol) if people from a young age and all through history shared information and it was accessible to everyone we may not even be having this discussion . and I have to hand it to you guys. Think of it this . well they might be the ones who might be more interested so they would know they might be more of a victim Taking that post down I think is just conceding to that fear in the back of our minds of trying to please everybody . If you have ever seen this mans garage. have been a little knowledge hungry and may bite the hand that feeds however most are not. From what I've read I think that using a HHO gas torch may be a good way to get those high temperatures in a safe way what does anyone think? You can look up easily HHO torches they get really hot and cool really fast and they are real just like oxy or butane the flame itself is only 259 F but when in contact with other metals can get up to 10. and the money they make is also going to the benefit of the economy and who knows potentially but it does require the teacher to be an anode to the cathode but they wouldn't mind so much if they also got to learn from others that made their steps easier and like I said it in the long run I think is always better. chemically or by heat you are looking into getting into a lot of money. and tools used for separating metals. and another example goes to taking off the posts which displayed what cars have better value for their cc so they are not as much of victims. 2009 My brother-in-law works in such a refinery. converters have came up in conversation. it looks like a ghetto factory. and he claims that for the trouble it is worth. Florida July 10. Most people would not know it. unless you have the equipment to do around 1200 converters at one time it is not worth it. in their own way and it is informative I mean I don't expect anyone to actually hand me a free cc now.I understand that.Sarasota. I must add. There is a not so intelligent person who works with said family member who has been able to refine and extract such metals. All that said I do understand the market and patents etc so it is up to the individual of course and information cannot be forced to be shared and people should have incentive however we all could be driving hydro cars and be energy independent and have other newer and unknown issues yet to be discovered if we were more long term seers.not a lot. but you go into buying some of the materials. what are you going to do .lead by example like Ted .. you would know it if you seen it.we have to expose the weaknesses so we can brainstorm not hide them. Anyway. also I may be a good golfer and share secrets but you'll still never get it till you practice anyways so I would really have no fear in sharing those but I guess we can all agree to disagree and any experience with HHO gas torches to extract metals. Some . Ted you are doing a good job and I also have enjoyed your thoughtful approach.
We joked about it at his house over a few " select beverages ". then be our guest you already have enough money to not really need to extract the precious metals. etc. These were step by step instructions and I guess that the chemistry and knowledge involved is way more complicated than purifying metals out of catalysts. . especially with no knowledge. MDMA. Next thing I know I am going to see one of the names from this thread swearing they can make sticks of TNT from a candle and gunpowder with chewing gum.. Not all metals work that way. possibly even everyone around you. your going to have even more tied up into it it when someone finds out what your doing because of the danger that your putting other stuff in. it would seem that every town would have 15 or so of the places.000 dollars for the basic materials and equipment. do you really think that exhaust at like 900 . right? I am now moving on to find the Candlestick TNT blog I was speaking of earlier.. The weekend after that you will most likely end up with your substance in pure form. anyone could do it with enough effort. If it was so cost effective to do it in such small amounts.. No knowledge required. if you really think you have all of the money to get into something like this from a dead start. and techniques used to extract said metals would not really be cost effective unless you had a bunch of them to do at one time ( kind of hints to why they have giant refinery places to do such things ). LSD. You spent one weekend looking up the terms and chemicals and understanding the process. no qualification.way. 2009 There used to be instructions online spanning over several pages on how to synthesize illicit drugs. So far on this whole thread I think I have only seen about 3 people that remotely know what they are talking about. North Carolina July 13. Don't seem to much harder then flipping a burger. If smelting in a pot would separate the metals. but also would not be a constant resource for them to rely on for buying said materials. and I know a clown walking across a yard with a stick swearing there is water under a patch of dry sand when I see one. Please use your head for something more then a hat rack people.Fayetteville. Joel Langford .000 payout for your customers that you will be having to buy said converters from. ever seen a clogged converter? They get red hot under a car... amphetamines. DO NOT try using chemicals that you don't understand.. you can see them especially good at night. at this point your just wanting a grown child's chem lab in your back yard. maybe around 1.. some of this stuff can get dangerous. and it seems like everyone that was there at the time came to the same conclusion. Around my area everyone swears to the idea that you can use a smelting pot to separate the metals in a converter. not to mention that you have to have a safe place to set up said refinery. The trouble that our friend had was that there is no one who is respectively going to buy said metals from a person. the correct value of what they have. Please for your safety and the those around you. And I am sure you 3 know who you are. who not only does not know what they have. the other weekend you will be preparing and organizing the equipment and the most difficult part will be to actually obtain the chemicals.1500 degrees would not just turn these metals directly to liquid? These are not lead fishing weights people. we will say 15. I am only a 29 year old Well Driller.
kiln and iron pot shall suffice. every word. Iowa ---Ed.. I have ground my own pigments for my paints for forty years. 2009 I put a hole in a catalytic converter I found while picking up trash(honestly).Murfreesboro.. and S. As said before. Germany July 13. its just PVC tubs and clear 3/4 inch hose with a battery charger [link is to product info at Amazon] and a small pump. Andreas Borchert . and am only now venturing into the new world of three-dimensional earthen-ware art.. Tennessee July 13. . Other than taking a tweezer to it is there any other way to separate it? Terrance Miller . But after reading the entire post (yes. with the right combination of chemicals and temperature the pgms get get pulled out onto carbon plates. My only problem is a lot of the honeycomb broke in pieces as fine as the platinum flakes. the site's supporting advertisers must be running out of patience being asked to pay the costs of posting other people's ads :-) July 16... Tennessee .. I simply want to thank you for your patience and learned knowledge. please take an advertisement . when I could.Berlin. 2009 I have a machine that extracts the pgm's from catalytic converters and it is not the easiest to do It takes a lot of time a nice facility to work in but if you seen the machine you would laugh and call me a liar. and whether or not it would be possible to render the ceramics containing these metals into a powder form to use as a mix in a firing glaze for pottery. note: If you do not consider it secret knowledge.Earlham. Ross Lerner's wonderful contribution.. The honeycomb had to be cracked to come out but it came out with the platinum flakes. My hammer. grinder.Talbott. that first sculpture. . a straight and simple instruction would devalue the skills and knowledge required to write it. Dustin.). but how to get there. Tim Mooney Timothy Mooney . If you are trying to sell this knowledge. Dustin B .The problem will never be to actually do it. 2009 I was going to ask a simple question about the CONTENT of precious metals in "cats". please tell us what the right temperature and combination of chemicals is. It will be an interesting experiment. really.. It's somewhat a pity.
I would put it in a furnace for melting metals and I would leave it in there until all the platinum has melted off and dripped into a place where it could collect. Just collect Cl gas at one end and H gas at the other (cathode or anode.Bloomington. If in case the platinum is infused or trapped in the other materials of the cat. Those 3 should cover the aqua regia. I checked Wikipedia and it's a 3 step process. Do you oxidize and dissolve the metal and then reduce it somehow and collect it that way. HCl is relatively easy to make by electrolysis of Salt water. My question is: How is the price of converters defined? I would appreciate any help. 2009 Ordering the chemicals is not so difficult. Are there any other solvents able to dissolve these noble metals? Also. mix with a small amount of water (in a glass container of course) and you should get it at the 37% concentration. 2009 This is what I would do. Castor Marconi .July 28. California July 30. New York August 3. 2009 I'm interested in recycling catalytic converters. I forget). HNO3 is harder to manufacture though. what is the process of extracting platinum from catalytic converters that have been discussed thus far. I received a follow-up phone call and I just told them that I was using the chemicals to extract platinum from catalytic converters.. God bless. or do you just melt it down? What seems best? February 5.. Hydro-metallurgy is". 2009--"Pyro-metallurgy is not the way for the small operator to go. I was also looking into the possibility of making my own chemicals when reaching a large scale operation. Indiana August 14.Red Bluff. This is theoretical though. gold and platinum can be dissolved in aqua regia. 2009 So. then I would pulverize .New York.I am kind of stuck because i am not sure what price is good for each catalytic converter. Makes sense!!! Hey what are the other safer oxidizing agents you are talking about. Eljon Ago hobbyist . Steven Smith .
Ray Soriano . and listen to Ted. its AFTERMARKET. ZenTed as I will call him! I have never been so deeply engrossed with a forum in the 12 years I have been with internet! I gave up metals in the 1980s to follow my other preoccupation of music composition... Now for the scrap value. aftermarket converters are not regulated. Steel and ceramic have a much lower melting point. 2009 After reading some of the responses on the site. why can we buy a cat for $60 when they are worth more. California September 3. figure that out then ask the questions. Now look at rhodium that melts at 3567 F and Platinum somewhere around 3215 F. When a car is sold new it must pass omission regulations set by the government. It all gets melted.000+ so at that price a manufacturer can afford to spend a little money to manufacture a cat that will last and be efficient.the material first to allow the platinum to melt freely into a high heat resistant container.. UK September 15.Hastings. Bretto from the Ghetto. Maybe you might have to comply to laws about not releasing fumes into the atmosphere or something. i must say that some people just lack common sense.. I would guess people on here want a list of vehicles so they can go out tonight with a hack saw. and only recently have started looking at metal prices again.. Just heat will not suffice for the separation of materials. I think it highly unlikely that a torch would melt any of these materials. Now lets look at the vehicle. The value is determined by how much the cat would usually contain. right? Find out if there are any laws to abide by in melting it. I feel there a few people here that lack the understanding of how a cat works and why. Cats do contain a few precious metals as we have learned here. a large US made truck with a 6L engine will emit more o2 into the atmosphere than a small Honda with a 1. Now a new truck sells for around $35.Sac.6 L and the cat will need to refine the exhausted fumes in larger portion. happy reclamations xxx Brett Ross . As Ted stated a few months back. Over time the metals do come out of the exhaust and onto the road. All you guys just take a tip from me. I think that it doesn't take any more than a little commons sense to get the platinum. 2009 I was in scrap metal recycling/reclamation years ago as a family business in the UK and cats were not around then but I know from experience how costly it is to extract these metals. These catalytic converters contain little to no precious metals. The amount of .. Simple. Top marks to Ted for keeping this forum on a level footing.
Hope this helps to enlighten some of the "lets get rich quick" people on here and shows its not smart to try to steal them. think of the effort involved! Have you ever tried to crawl under a car with a hack saw and cut the 3" steel pipe? It doesn't take minutes. The reason for the theft is because its a high and easy return and low risk.Use ceramic bakery bowl . Crawling under a vehicle. it takes a good half hour. Nathan Bastings . Top dollar is around $100 .$150. Another thing to think about is now scrap dealers want a title to the vehicle it came off of and an ID before they will buy a converter. The older trucks did not have 02 sensors so the first thing a truck owner did for a modification was remove the cat that restricted airflow. I have an 02 Silverado and it has 2 cats rather than the 1 cat in older vehicles. 1) Roast ground biscuit at 500 C in old kiln ($100 US . It is also illegal to sell a vehicle without a cat and most of the time a dealer wont take a trade on one without it. 2009 Easy Peasy Tame Aqua regia extraction of PGM blacks (Pd. Everyone has to make a profit in the process so you will never get the $3600 out of it unless you have the pure metal in your hand. Its no secret that older GM cats (about the size of a muffler) can get you top dollar at a scrap dealer. Virginia September 19. the 2 oz cat would probably net you $800 at a scrap yard.. you can spend an hour under there without the risk of getting noticed. This isn't a lucrative business and more for the person who lives off $100 a week. a sawzall will get it done quickly but is VERY noisy. This means that my 2 cats contain less metals together than 1 of the older and larger ones. Cats contain a FRACTION OF AN OUNCE of precious metals which lightly coats its ceramic contents (honeycomb or beads).Norfolk.. Before we all rush out and start hacking cats off our neighborhood cars. they are light weight and untraceable. Why?? more power and better fuel economy (and it makes it louder too!). Rh) from catalytic converters. it is illegal to sell a used cat. Then you take your cats to a dealer and its quick cash. The you will find that most of the older GM trucks have the cat removed already and a straight pipe in place. Oh and o2 sensors contain the precious metals as well!! But you need about 50 pounds of them to make a reasonable amount of money off of them. Pt.ebay) 2)1 part biscuit(wt) 1 part HNO3 (vol) 3 parts HCL (vol) 3)Room temp 3 to 7 days until max colour in AR and biscuit white.precious metals is very little and whoever on here said there is as much as 2 oz of metal needs to show me those cats! at somewhere around $1800 an ounce scrap. scrap dealers and "car guys" have known cats are worth something so why is this so new to everyone else? And for the idiot on here that said he wanted to resell them. an AFTERMARKET cat will get you a whopping $2-$5!! Ford usually $40-$60 and Dodge around $30-$60.
I decan cat cons within 10 min. Wash residue with more water & decant when clear into following batch. I find the the PGM blacks can be more rapidly settled onto the bottom of . Note 6. Chris Anderson Massey University NZ) therefore it is not unreasonable to find that AR will dissolve the PGM nanoparticles in cat. Best of luck to those that try this method. It is not a rag to riches method of making money. 8)Neutralise to pH 2. No fumes released. 10)Acidify to pH 1. New Zealand Addendum to Easy Peasy AR method PGM blacks are weakly paramagnetic. from local hardware store $12 US for card of 3) . carefully pour off excess water.Mortar 13 inch dia pipe 12 inch high welded onto a square iron base. Note 2. Bob Keen . I drill a dozen or so holes with a 12 mm x 400 mm masonry drill (made in China. Note 4. I currently get paid $60 NZ after a $150 NZ analysis is carried out in Hong Kong. Step 3 can be carried out in a crock pot at simmer temp over 4 . Note 1.wt 19 lb.local discount shop $2. Stir ceramic spoon.Leave overnight and a lot of excess Zn will dissolve. 14)Transfer small beaker. Stir 2X daily ceramic spoon (ebay $6 US) 4)Stir in urea to neutralize HNO3 (until fizzing stops) 5) Pour all in 20l tall narrow plastic pail & make up to 121 approx with rain water.dry in oven.Using a long stout screw driver & hammer as lever & chisel I can quickly break biscuit up and empty out the pieces.121 vol. cons.5 approx with soda ash (Na2CO3)( little pH meter off ebay $20 US) 9) Add Zinc Pdr ( from ebay).Pestal a 51/2 foot 1 inch dia iron rod welded to a 81/2 inch long 21/2 inch dia iron rod .5 US. Note 5. 16) Find a precious metal dealer who will buy PGM blacks.If a blockage I ram through the handle of my 19 lb pestal which clears the blockage instantly.30 min. Huge volumes of very toxic gas are released which strip all leaves off nearby vegetation and will kill nearby caged animals. Bob Keen Retired Principal Scientist(NZDRI) Palmerston Nth New Zealand. Continue to stir off & on for a further 30 min. 3 rounded teaspoons (1 kg biscuit originally used)added slowly with stirring over 15 . 11) Decant and transfer PGM blacks plus some Zn to 2 l beaker (ebay $10 US approx) 12)Add 1 liter 2N HCL.its like drilling into butter.5 h. Gold requires AR for dissolution but nanoparticles will dissolve in 2N HCL (Papers by Dr. It only takes 10 min to grind in my mortar & pestal. ebay refers to New Zealands Trademe which is virtually equivalent. Note 3. made in china. many high mileage cats only contain a gram of PGM blacks.Palmerston Nth. stir until evolution of H2 ceases and then leave over night.5 approx or until orange brown ppt dissolves leaving a black sediment. 6) Leave over night for sediment to settle 7) Decant into 20l plastic bucket. 15) A number of extraction can be carried out simultaneously. you need to know your cats. Cover glass plate. 13) Wash twice and decant with rain water.
. new/better equipment the backyard scrap dealer could expand..the plastic pails and beakers by placing a very strong. Just my 4:01 AM thoughts after reading these 4 pages. even small (or large) pure Platinum cathodes. and now it's hard to find.Oklahoma City. AND pass an IQ test. At the risk of sounding stupid (and not wanting to start a new thread). The how-to with photos and directions could be put into a PDF file. like • Control of electrolyte formulation and pH (a measure of acidity or alkalinity) • Control of electrical conditions • Control of temperature And a bunch of warnings like "don't drink the electrolyte". etc.. After some profit. but it could be small scale and a small investment. Maybe a contribution. diversify. 2009 getting platinum is so easy.all i did was use a saw to cut through the metal.. Oklahoma October 13. September 24. There used to be a book from Lindsey's by Carr (I think). and hook them up to a controller/battery/solar panel? I know there would still be chemicals. james carlon . "don't touch the electrode thingys to your tongue to see if the battery still has a charge". it would have to have all the "secrets". and make more of a profit by producing electroplated auto. add a (small) pure Platinum cathode.. medical (things). but I'm finally at the end.. I never bought it... airplane. I bought a very large ceramic magnet off ebay for $8. the chance of blowing yourself up. would it be easier to dump the beads/flakes into a gallon glass jar of electrolyte. jewelry.so i gathered all the material and got a 5 gal bucket and put a window screen over it and placed the material on the . a Copper anode (I guess)..... I've always wondered about this. Steve Cerny .i extract the platinum for making jewelry. North Carolina September 27. and for some..once i got through i found a strange honey comb and a paper like substance that was full of tiny pieces of platinum. 2009 Very interesting! Took a while to read.hillsborough.00 US. Great site! "I'll be back".. 2009 is there a way i can "cook" the platinum out at home and how hot would the heat have to be. and available to those who make a contribution to the site. fumes.. Or stay small. Of course.. large ceramic magnet under the bottom of the holding vessel. uh.. some knowledge.
leaving only tiny pieces of platinum left.i don't know why people want to make it some big secret.screen over the bucket. I was involved in building the machinery for a catalytic convertor factory.....and used a garden hose to wash the paper and platinum off the honey comb... Many years ago (1981)....i collected it and used a torch to burn the paper away now I'm not sure what the paper is so i wore a mask to protect myself i suggest u do the same.000 degrees to melt..now i had a dry powder with the metal. 2009 Hi..anyway I've done this process many times with success...but the only problem is that since i wanted to melt the platinum down for making jewelry i had to obviously melt it. and I can't comment on whether the beads contain precious metals or not.and discarded the honey comb.. So whatever stuff you found that was elsewhere but not in the ......now here is the hard part... and spent a fair amount of time there.mudgee Australia nsw October 27.but platinum has a high tolerance for heat.. so I am unfamiliar with the beads I hear of today.and u cant just use a pencil torch to melt it.. hi..once it did i just slowly poured the water out of the bucket but once the water level got too low that the metal and stuff wanted to pour out too all i did was take a cloth rag and used it to absorb the water.. 2009 hey guys u don't have 2 be a genius to get the platinum out of the catalytic converters i wanted my car loud so i decided 2 punch the ceramic honey comb out of the converter using a hammer and a flat blade screw driver go 2 town on it then i found the platinum in a cloth like material get rid of the honey comb no platinum in that keep the cloth i used a fly screen n a container using water i sifted it in a container like a gold panner would have fun any 1 can do i got heaps of platinum :) mark horizon .....it took like 20 min to get all the water out....so once i turned the paper to ashes i simply used my breath to blow the ashes away..not many people have a cutting torch in trier garage...but the paper still held some moisture so i just set the bucket in the sun and let it dry it the rest of the way. Mark. Andrew.. But in those days the ceramic honeycombs and only the honeycombs were dipped into the precious metal slurry..kannapolis NC cabarrus county October 27.. In those days they did not use any "beads"..then i let the water settle and allowed the sift to fall to the bottom.but u can buy them for a couple hundred bucks or find someone who has one. Andrew Gould ..i had to use a cutting or also known as a blow torch used for melting steel to do it....so it takes about 3.
. I done some electronic scrap and there are some things you will need to be careful with. water and a few biodegradable chems and naturals.. and will have to be able to measure your efforts and not just wonder if it's working or not. I've developed a safe device that will greatly concentrate any mineral matrix containing PGMS. not good enough for you. My advice to every one is read every thing. P.sneads ferry. do the research. 2009 is the platinum and palladium in the honeycomb or is it the dust and charcoal like substance that comes out of convertor when you extract inside contents of the convertor thanks a lot. just removing the case is concentrating the values (PGMS) You have removed about 5 to 10 lbs of Iron.. for very detailed info look up the (gold refiners forum) on line. the rest of you . start collecting all items with pgms . if you mix the wrong 2 things you will get a high explosive that's unstable.. iron. what. Ted Mooney.aurora Colorado .. ( no not telling) you're all here to learn about cats. that's 40 to 200 $ in platinum alone at full value. like copper. there are dangers with this. figure out how you're going to deal with fumes. plastic..honeycomb doesn't sound like the precious metals to me :-) Those 'heaps of platinum' may be piles of soot :-( Regards.. today's prices.com Brick. not bombs.. North Carolina November 20..Oops letting my opinions show. I use air. good luck BRYAN BRYAN SMITH . they have plenty of experts there that can help most of you do this as a hobby scale project. finishing. and from what I have seen here.. a few of you might want to be very afraid of this stuff. Michael. you can then get a professional assay and try to sell to a mine or mill that is currently dealing with platinum.. want to go farther? with each step of the process you are concentrating. 2009 after a lot of reading in other places pt per cat runs about 1 to 5 grams each. and can now sell your ceramic containing PGMS at a much higher price.) . waste and byproducts.E.. have a good day Michael kelly . New Jersey November 11. (its not any harder than making a gas oil mix for the chainsaw.
the next step is to remove as much carbon as possible from the material by heating to RED hot then blowing oxygen on the material before it cools. 2009 The first step in the process is to remove the comb. There are ways to extract that are so safe you don't even need a mask and then there are ways that are so dangerous that it's like being in a gas chamber. 2009 TO BREAK DOWN A CATALYTIC CONVERTOR YOU FIRST TAKE THE COMBING AND BREAK IT DOWN IN SULFURIC ACID THE PLATINUM WILL SETTLE TO THE BOTTOM SHAKE A FEW TIMES WHEN DISSOLVED AND LET SETTLE THEN YOU HEAT THEN A MIXTURE OF MURIATIC ACID AND HYDROCHLORIC ACID MIXED TO EAT THE BASE METALS AND LEAVE THE PLATINUM ONLY THE MELT CAST AND SERVE DEREM MCCOLLUM . which caused so much smoke all we could do was run. I look around at my competitors and they're selling the same coat for $50 per. Tom Jamison . we shouldn't have ever done this kind of thing. josh slocomb . which burned through. Do not crush the comb up just chunk it into inch or so pieces. as are ford and Chrysler. it started smoking very quick and then popped really loudly.deming. I'm not going to write the rest of the process nor will anyone who knows how to do it and I'll tell you why. my friend went to the hospital and had to have stitches. Aftermarkets are junk.Anaheim.November 28. So what do I do? I can sell my coats for $50 and take a portion of his sales or undercut his price and sell more but make less profit. the garage set on fire.The ball assay will tell you how much pgm to expect per pound of comb.All Asians.MONROE LOUISIANA December 2. You NEED to do the assay or you will not have any idea when to stop the extraction process. We then tried to extract the metals by using the crucible method that was written on here. don't even try them. we brought a hose in and sprayed. GM. try not to get any metal filings into the comb material. 2009 well me and my friends went out and got some Cats. New Mexico . Cats have different amounts of pgm's depending on the manufacturer. California November 28. and he has a scar on his face now. Lets say I'm in the coat business and I get a wicked buy on coats at $10 per. little drops of fire went all over the garage and my friend caught one on the side of his face. And the undercutting goes on and on until there's no profit left. and euro(except VW) have hi pgm content. You are now ready to do an assay on the material to get an idea as to how much pgm you can expect from your batch (30 cats is a pretty good batch) To do a ball assay you need a small furnace some crucibles etc.
One of the acids was Aqua Regia. I can sell to any one that wants to buy a cat.37 an hr the real trick is getting the 40 cats.00.000.. removal of the the iron shells would make the 50 pound box not such a bad thing. I am not attempting to concentrate any thing from the cats I collect. The answer to some of your questions. I tried to convince him not to sell.00 in platinum.5 . 2009 My advice to all of you that have old Catalytic Converters. you can ship 50 pounds in a prepay box and get the 7. is to hold on to them. and what they were used for.5 a pound. it is the K.You make $4. but no he sold them anyway. Virginia ---Ed. used to recover platinum from spent catalyst. I buy low and sell high. On that program they told that a 55 gal barrel with app 400 lbs of catalysts would net $24. I have been researching this for a long time. make your price list 30% less than what you can sell them for and you may make 30%. After saying all that don't do this with any other cats unless you can get 200 to 300 cats at an average price of $50 each. In my calculation what he sold brought someone down the line in the neighborhood of $60.2 pounds of ceramic honey comb in it and that sells for $7. The History channel recently had a program on acids..December 5. and shipping. Knowing what I know I tried to tell him they were worth much much more than that.5x50= $375 minus the cost of shipping. They are worth a lot more than buyers make out that they are.000. Buy low and sell high you will do fine .edu/sdsmt/SiteID=199458 Dennis King . and the cost of the 40 cats was 4x40=$160 don't forget to recycle the iron maybe about $10 experience says it takes 1 hr to go to some place to get a cat and get back home 40 cats =40 hrs 374 divided by 40 is $9.. Yep I know that was stupid. that's $10.5 each now subtract gas for your car time to remove it from the host car. making a after market cat worth $8.S.00. if you don't then be sure to keep the ceramic honey comb in the can and sell them for more than you bought them for. how ever since an aftermarket cat goes for $4 and it has 1. 2009 I'm now in the cat buying game.I. I have found it to be one of the best kept trade secrets.S thing . Buyers deal in small numbers so as to sell in large numbers. sdmines. If you do the refining hoping to . December 21.000 If you have that much cash you can do the math and will know what to do next. I suggest we pool our collection.Ararat. note: that website is not loading for us..sdsmt. Nobody wants you to know for a real good reason (MONEY) I witnessed a man sell a few hundred mixed converters for $16.000. That way we can cut out the middle man.000 to 15. and buy from any one that wants to sell a cat. if you can get 40 of the after market cats .
and have been doing so for 2 weeks I now own 15 of them. (see gold refiners index . 2009 I have worked in a place that took in catalytic converters what we would do is open the plug dump everything out into 55 gallon drum we would fill 10 -12 of these things then bring them to Texas they paid us about 8 . the amount of metallic values in a cat wildly varies..Glovertown NL Canada asked the same question which I have been wondering also which was never answered. (its worth it) and the seller loves the fact that he can add $5 to the sale.com/refining. see rule 6.To extract the inside simply open the plug most if not all have a plug that can be taken out to extract the materials pat mazzillo . refiners will want 50 to 200 pounds of cat cores and will take 30 to 10% for there fee. One company will pay 7$ a pound for your cores . for prices look at cats direct 1st American core north eastern core buyers fairless core dyna converter integrity rules 1 buy low sell high 2 don't buy any thing today you cant sell tomorrow (inventory is expensive and makes you zip) 3 decan only if you've got 100s 4 don't decan after market cats till you get 40 of them.com).gain remember your platinum will likely not be pure enough to get full price and even if it is the jeweler and ore refiner you sell it to is going to want a 10% to 30% cut off the top.. that means the very least a cat core will have in pmgs is 7$ a pound.11 thousand dollars its got platinum in them. it just a side job for me at this time. thanks December 23. 2010 Glenn Burry. (see Ebay) its not legal to put a used cat on any car!. Maine January 17.Arundel. the average cat has 2.. see rule 6! catching on yet? bryan smith . I would let the refiners earn there 10% and you should concentrate on volume. (you may change your mind and want to sell them whole) 5 learn how to spot an after market cat (the guy selling you the cat has no clue what the previous owner did to the host car) this one cost me $70 on my very first buy! 6 cut all your buying prices buy 5$ 7 add $5 your buying price for each cat you don't have to cut from under the host car. whole cat buyers on the internet will pay from 4 to $165 each. Has anyone had any experience with the ishor system http://www.shorinternational.8 lbs. I buy catalytic converters. your can with acids leach the three pgms out of the core ceramic..aurora Colorado a correction its perfectly legal to sell a used catalytic converter..htm . .
How do I know I'm not getting ripped when I sell one? But I'm sure as hell not going to sell it to Ted in Jersey. P. I'm not an expert on catalytic converter refining or gold recovery. Ted Mooney. P. Colorado and Oklahoma are doing it.Mounds. "But I'm sure as hell not going to sell it to Ted in Jersey" Is that because I've repeatedly said that my only business is running this website. Oklahoma January 21.Marvell. so I am certainly not in a position to be involved anywhere in the sale or purchase of this stuff? -. and many more would if vendors. OK the process is way too complicated for person to do on his own. 2010 Hi. could profit from shilling :-) Regards. Bill. Arkansas June 2010 Hi.E. Mike. No one has answered which specific converters are worth more than the others. Although this is my website. 2010 It seems that us in Okla. New Jersey .or because you got concerned about possible questions about the origin of your convertors after I mentioned that my son was a cop :-) Good luck and Regards.com Brick. disguised as satisfied customers.com Brick. are a mite smarter than the idiots in New Jersey and other eastern states. I have been looking at this system for many years so any comment would be greatly appreciated. finishing. Ted Mooney. rip the things open and pour it into containers you can ship. we discourage testimonials to particular commercial products because some people already post here or attempt to post here with fictitious names. Bill N . and am not qualified to comment on how well this commercial device works (never even seen it). finishing. So I would elect doing it the the guys in Texas. Michael Rowland .E. Actually.Can some of the professionals here (Ted?) please comment on whether or not this would work on granulated CAT honeycomb/beads. and also just the plain effectiveness with gold plated scrap. New Jersey January 21.
.Tampa.think logically.. How do you expect to make your costs lower than theirs? By dumping toxins in the trash? If you are highly competent.all above board. I've read a few pages of this thread.. Ohio.thanks again. and become a broker for small yards that don't have the time to research the value of each model.Columbus... 2010 This blog/site whatever kicks ass! You rock dude.. but your labor and production costs will be high..but perhaps think of it as all boiling down to return on investment. and it's pretty interesting.... Each refiner employs economies of scale.. buying acids and supplies in large bulk. and not cheat.. Something for nothing is a bogus way to live. you can run the process. Please remember: all the refiners compete with each other. back off of Ted. sure. Matthew Fox ... I'm a pretty smart guy and I thought about it long and hard. and poof.. Clearly: THERE'S NO EASY MONEY TO BE MADE BY TRYING TO REFINE THE PRECIOUS METALS YOURSELF! So just give it up.. They assay the metal efficiently. Thank you! Off my soapbox I go.for that matter. 2010 Hi All. and my conclusion was that the only serious solution to this approach is to have . You get out what you put in. and pay for permits and safety and disposal costs...... John Marks . if not actually funny. Do you intend to do this industrial process in your garage? If you are going to be honest about it..you can make a profit from knowing the product you are dealing with. and if it were simple to do.. and even hedging those prices with futures contracts..... You can go around to salvage yards and buy cats..... If it gets too lucrative.. you could probably buy a kit for it at Ace Hardware..but please don't hang on to the notion that you can spin straw into gold.. He's the man. and get real...turn them into COMEX quality ingots and high grade metals to sell to industry? I think many I've read on here are trying to get something for nothing.February 11. you have to put something substantial into it to make it work. Florida March 11.to get something meaningful out... or a table top model on eBay.. 2010 Hey. and larger scale than most of you are thinking about. new refiners enter the market.and smelting/refining is not a permitted use in any residential or agricultural zone I've ever heard of. and by being an accumulator/consolidator.. I just wanted to add that anyone who is Still thinking about ways to steal the converters.or do you think you are going to pick up a few cats.BE REALISTIC! As an example or two: If you want to profit. etc.. and each ingot or batch of metal you produce will still have to be assayed at your expense.learn the product specs.. USA March 4... often with long term contracts to keep their costs low. learn which cats have what relative amounts of PGMs and buy and sell accordingly..got to find some cat specs now!!!! PS: I'm NOT saying not to take a risk or consider a new venture. Someone did provide a three sentence answer on the 'how to' aspect. you will have to end up like the existing refiners to make a profit.
Iowa USA March 26..if you're that smart to build such a device. Eric Vincent web developer/ seeker of knowledge .. Got so involved I actually forgot how I got here. Ok here's what I'm getting at--.Cedar Rapids. WORD OF WISDOM: Those who write about cats on these walls. 2010 Wow. Someone actually stealing from someone who worked hard for their nice car. 2010 hey another way that i have found is to use something similar to the gold refining process if you use aqua regia aka nitric and hydrochloric acid mixed it will make clora platonic acid i believe is the name and then from there you can revert the acid back to pure platinum dust witch accumulates at the bottom as a dust you then filter and wash at the very least five times with warm or hot water you then have at least 99. this economy is seething with unions of prison guards and people making 85 thousand dollars a year watching over 'criminals ' who got high.. MY ANALYSIS: I'm thinking I'll stick to planting a garden in the spring and riding a bicycle---just hope nobody cuts my gut out looking for little ceramic balls of quicksilver. but inversely they would still be taking it out of another's mouth..Roll there words in little ceramic balls. In fairness it could be said that the economy is now so bad that some may take up the trade to feed mouths. Just knowing the process has put a more educated perspective on all of this thank you very much sir. cut off the cat in one snap!. or sold a dime bag of something to someone who wanted to get high. someone offering to "buy" cats. California March 12. offering a venue for people to get a little more for there junk vehicle before the salvage yard gets it---or there are still people out there willing to crawl under cars in the middle of the night to feed their habits (and people willing to pay them to do it). you have no business stealing chicken-sh-. Those who read these words of wit.. you will look like a ripe candidate to be made example out of in the judicial court. I notice child abuse was up 12% here in IA last year. I can't believe I read the WHOLE thing. Enough said? Good to know this information though. Don't steal.. MY VOTE: 55 GALLON DRUM METHOD forget about anything beyond mechanical extraction.. insurance.Anaheim. registration. my guess is theft of cats will also see a comeback as frustration grows.etc. then be on your merry way before you could get caught. paid license. makes me want to stay on the computer and away from dangerous chemicals. Had to backtrack to an ad on our Craigslist.EAT THOSE LITTLE CERAMIC BALLS OF SLAG!!! Byron Wiese . This can be looked upon 2 ways---either the guy is legit. not habits. and using air-compressed or hydraulic cutters.car parts!.9% pure platinum of course you must then use an induction heater to melt it down and the only one that i can think of is right now that is easy to build is ZVS circuit ( zero voltage/current switching) its easy to build but i dont know if it has the ability to get to platinum melting temps .some kind of technology that jacks up the car..
Or what! I look forward to visiting this site again in the future. Refinery if any. 2010 Mr Mooney. or eBay.000 dollars and that was for the contents of one container box of cats. I hope the next time I read these threads that some one might be kind hearted enough to say as to were one might be able to take there spoils to. I once seen a check for $25. Wyoming April 7. Now I think back years ago about a salvage yard I'd work at and at that time we saved all cats in medium size container box's. How to extract precious metals from cats. Some had humor like. Meaning. that if one thinks that you can separate the metals with a torch like Oxyacetylene is like melting a tuna can with a Bic lighter. I read all of the threads. Sincerely Mike Burt . . I just happened to ask the man. This public forum has managed to remain online for 16 years. He replied. heavy melt meaning steel beams to the smelting plants in Indiana and in Illinois. Now knowing how to melt down steel..Rozet.we don't have one thousandth of the necessary horsepower. and I to have to agree with a lot of these threads. everything else is buried under the spam. It can't be done. Before loading them on his truck. 2010 Hi. Mike. Now it's been some years gone by and now like then every one has kept the golden rule of silence. How come! Is it because of like back then the golden rule of silence still applies and mums the word to this day. I too was doing a little research online about precious metals when I stumbled on to this site. Wow that's alot of money. it's that as soon as we open a thread to commercial responses. It's not that we are sworn to silence. Sorry but we simply can't be Craigslist or Ebay or Google -. or Google. a rope and the neighborhood Kids and a couple steel pipes. Now I'm living in Wyoming and have a close friend that's in the auto salvage business and from time to time he has a gentleman come into buy his cats. When the buyer came by we unloaded the contents of the box's on the ground by sizes. for what I will get back that's a drop in the bucket so to speak. We could swamp the threads with spam overnight.john michael . is it takes a little bit of this and a little bit of that and a whole lot of other things to make it pure steel and what's involved in that process is like trying to put a Big Mac in a Happy meal. Now that was funny. Please look on Craigslist. I worked in the scrap metal business 10 years ago and from time to time hauled what is none as Frag. But seriously. That is in all these threads I read I did not once read as to where to take the spoils.orange park Florida united states April 7. Some had more meaning than others.That is if they had a lot of them. and it's largely because we don't let people benefit commercially from postings. But I'm talking in large numbers. Like a tree in the back yard. As for some of the threads I read that some only had one or two.
where you must choose. finishing. or you must wait a given amount of time to receive payment on the converters if you sell too a scrap yard. and that's how i get by now. . like I am going to be there in May. I would like to tell you all a little about myself. the way u run these forums is exceptional. and they start getting up would be power hungry and greedy. 2010 Well. not a mechanic or chemist. I would never have imagined that everyone who was once barely getting by. family or career. because Tennessee its hard finding deep and free-thinking people. the business relationships and personal ones i developed have kept me and my dad in a house. I was searching for two things when i got online today. so i figured well.E. Ted.. and am well versed in the language of american society. is i figured I'd keep my karma good.. I don't think personally I would be able to do it. Thomas from Sarasota. Also. WOW. i really enjoy your calm responses to some arrogant people. I'm 19. when I got up. the only option left must be that people want to keep people out of this business so they can keep everyone from getting by.. Ted Mooney. because i had all of my family heirlooms stolen from me and my handicap dad who lives with me. Except there is one thing i cant find. I guess it sucks that greed rules this country. but things happen and you have other obligations in life. New Jersey April 18. So. THE LIST OF CARS! It would seem I'm limited in the aspect that people are too scared of losing profit or theft for advancement in human techno-evolution. and then be a middle man. On my next note.com Brick. As i said previously I'm a marketer and networker. with food. and i am granted with off the chart social skills. this is why i liked thomas's post. So theft isn't as much of an option. but we lose out on advancement of society. its a pointless endeavor for the lowest of the low scum of the earth. because 2% are incompetent the rest are punished. And since i have to support an older but great father.. obviously so. i started reading this because i had hopes that some one would post what cars would be best to go get cc's and then find a company who buys them for refining purposes. find out what kind of CC's too look for. Why not post a list of cars? Most states require a title. but in everything i have seen in life. talk to friends who work in areas that come across people selling junk cars. your way of thinking is incredibly fascinating. and i was like jeez I hope there will be intelligent people to have deep conversations. That is an arrogant notion of people in America. and makes our world more like the movie Idiocracy if anything. and for my age i would say i have seen a lot. First is thanking two people. i brought everyone around me up. well Networking is one of my favorite things. and helped them. People who are secretive do make the most profit. Because people will go steal them. So i figured. P. and my friend telling me about plat in CC's. i figured i would look into the CC idea so maybe i could gain a little extra money after me losing my job. i am infuriated at the fact.. that people are scared too post what CC's are good to buy. first is how someone could easily sell stolen gold. I was a marketer/sale's rep who traveled coast 2 coast. All i have to say. Sadly. or used parts.Regards. I figured i shall start with two different topics. In hopes when and if i fell i would have people around me to keep me afloat.
24/7. and i give my word on my dad.and utilities. since someone angry at my dad for calling the police on them because he was in fear for his life. put out a list. I'm a marketer. Joe. and possibly start my own business that i have been wanting. If you guys could be generous and think of others. but do not have a dime for start up cost. I really enjoyed reading this thread. So i was hoping I could make a small profit. and have something too think about. cut the radiator hose and some other hoses i do not know what they are at this time. just like an extra 600 a month or so. i could ship them too u. we try to avoid reference to company names because experience has repeatedly proven that as soon as a company name is mentioned. my idea was hopefully getting the cats. people selling muffler and cc for 10 bux. Tennessee April 19. but this site does not put people into private contact with each other. with bills of sale for every cat i buy so you never would have to worry about me being a thief. i will abide by that notion. and if this stuff actually pays off. well i can see me on here in the future. hell. now that i tried to get a little help from some of you guys. my word is never broken. Well. or a google search to locate the people you are seeking. not a wall street man. if information shared with me you ask not too be disclosed. i am not trying to undercut you guys in your ingot industry. Like En: Datsun/Nissan 70-93 not even being super specific. am i planning to start anything related to the pt industry. and teaching kids how to pick up chicks. just so i can get by a little better. Joe Santaniello . because I'm an honest person. 2010 Hi. and I could use the money. if not. All i have to say is. because things here are cheap. on cars that look bonestock. and maybe take my dad out too eat like i used to. i figured that would be the best route. and finding a company who wanted too do the refining process or something. and my marketing experience. if you do things on a larger scale. the race to the bottom is on. It's just i see older cars being parted out. not even knowing the cats may be worth something. well awesome. and certainly not my last. and a loan isn't an option. Good luck. their competitors feel the need to post a glowing testimonial to themselves. maybe not hard labor. Please use ebay. but use my skills for a better purpose. Thank you For your Time! :) If you guys would like to contact me through email. But letting the world know would be a much better thing! But. I just am not the type of man who lives off someone else's gratitude. just like many of you guys can. it is my first ever on this site. I like to work. and just selling the guts.Murfreesboro. I'm sure I'll have at least made a little money off it. Apologies. or in the past could have used also. See. and the thread dissolves to spam :-) . Sorry! Similarly. i hope all of you enjoy this post. Craigslist. then sitting around on forums. Just consider the list people. Nor. and possibly you would have the word of many exec's who would vouch for me. and now they are buying me a car so i can get back to my life. that would be acceptable too. if there are threads like this. and just getting rid of the cats core too a scrap yard. just making it better so i don't go out and waste my time.
Hope the PRICES stay up? I been told to keep the content separate due to the difference in amount and type of metals. I am a chemist. There are 16. New Jersey June 24. finishing. This thread leads me to believe it is not. finishing. Ted Mooney. New Jersey May 19. at today's spot price of $1533 per troy ounce. Regards. GREAT!! I will begin reading up. Keep posting and I'll keep reading Scott Jones .45 grams per cubic centimeter. your block would be valued at $51. I had thoughts of selling them raw. 2010 First I'll just say this.com Brick. Texas June 8. to a point I am NOT a metallurgist and have limit knowledge of the subject. So. Gas and Diesel big differences. Platinum weighs 21. 2010 Hi. weight of a solid block of Platinum with the dimensions of 3" x 1" x 1". There are 31.E.riverside. and it sounds like the time I'm done study the "ART of CCs" I should have another thousand or so. have heard it might be against the law to process them in the US. it .387 cubic centimeters to a cubic inch. and with regard to obfuscating for the uninitiated. P.10 grams to a troy ounce. that being said.E.980. 2010 Just wondering if anyone could give me some info. P. What would be an approx.com Brick.Regards.Midland. California USA June 9. Your block of platinum is 3 cubic inches. terrill booth . Ted Mooney. Terrill. 2010 I have over 1000 CC cut from salvaged autos over the past couple of years.
PLEASE DO YOUR RESEARCH *-*-*-* Victor C.. 2010 These are great questions about catalytic converters and platinum. Any thoughts on a response on this thread will be greatly appreciated.and there is a rush on to find out how it's done or how to get it. Queensland.. 2010 Cry. 2010 Can anyone give an estimate of what a pound of slurry collected in the early 80's is worth. Yup. Walt Smith manufacturer ... Maybe you should take a look at www. every one gets rich in a gold rush..com Dave smith .. *-*-*-* THIS IS NOT TO BE TRIED BY ANYONE FOLLOWING THIS POST ALONE. Another waste of 30 minutes of my life surfing the web :) :) Gary W . And for some it is a conspiracy because they are too ignorant or plain stupid to understand how complicated and dangerous to body and environment it is to extract it. Alabama September 3. " There be 'Gold'in them thar hills" or in this case Platinum in them there Catalytic Converters. clearly I haven't gone so far as putting pencil to paper on this but it seems to me that it could be a lucrative opportunity for someone with a skill set in place to mitigate the very real (and potentially lethal) risks involved.. US August 11. California USA ... Got it legally by the way.YOU WILL NOT GET PLATINUM WITHOUT RESPECTING THE CHEMISTRY AND FOLLOWING MY THOUGHT PROCESS WITHOUT FULLY UNDERSTANDING THE NATURE OF THE MATERIALS INVOLVED COULD AND WOULD CAUSE SERIOUS INJURY AND/OR DEATH. I found it here 'cause I was looking for a reason why my Ford is acting up..seems to me that one could with some difficulty dissolve the platinum/ceramic guts in conc. nitric and judiciously precipitate with some heavy metal ion.Dallas.Mobile. Ma . Australia September 29.Brisbane.Redondo Beach. Texas.scrapcatalyticconverter. beyond that apply tremendous tremendous amounts of heat to the precipitate and go to the bank.
the dubbah only wanted to give me $10 bucks for them . but photos are available at www. Justin. What I would like to see/know .com/watch? v=rmtFp-SV0tY . I haven't done much with them but pile them up being as I don't know the difference yet.youtube. It has been a great revenue so far making something out of nothing is very rewarding. -J Justin L MaineJunKYards . I did an engineering project at a factory that built the newer honeycomb style converters (still a long long time ago). The last time I brought a couple the junkyard .how exactly do you tell the difference between an OEM & After-Market Catalytic Converter? Could someone muster up a photo of these 'beads' and these 'honey combs' you talk about do they look just like a piece of screen? So far with the cats I have cut off (Yes legally) they all just look like hollow metal chambers with a screen in them. I'm not real familiar with the old-style ceramic bead catalytic converters.com/Loose_Beads_Pellets_secure.Maine.no one liner is gonna help me learn anything) tips on how to distinguish between a factory original and a aftermarket cat. including maidenresources. USA January 14.com/2006/11/28/thieves-target-catalytic-converters-for-precious-metals/. Thank You all very much for your time spent here & input.but I don't trust backyard bob enough to keep doing business with him. 2011 Greetings Everyone.com/Recycling. I would like to thank Ted first of all for supplying this lovely little trough of information. Secondly .and he might have been honest (one came off an old GM Van & the other a new chevy geo) .html and green.html. There is a great video at www. Being a web designer I know what is like to have to deal with internet hooligans.December 22.I as I just mentioned I'm a web designer by trade -but I have started my own side project with recycling cars & metals.sellyourcatsdirect. 2010 what does the extracted metal look like ron green curious . and pictures of them are all over the net. 2011 Hi.autoblog.which no one has mentioned before .athens Alabama January 14. So if someone would please give me a few (Yes more than one please .
but I don't know how to tell the difference. but don't know.com Brick. P. Regards.I think.E. New Jersey . finishing. that an aftermarket converter would have less precious metals soaked into the honeycomb. Ted Mooney.