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I BUY, SELL AND REPAIR COMPUTERS. RECENTLY I STARTED TO SAVE ALL MY COMPUTER SCRAP TO RECOVER THE GOLD THAT IS ON THE CARDS. SO ON THE OTHER HAND I STARTED TO BUY A FEW CATALYTIC CONVERTERS AS SCRAP BECAUSE I HEARD THAT IT HAS A LITTLE AMOUNT OF PLATINUM AND PALLADIUM HONEYCOMB THAT IS INSIDE THE BODY OF THE CONVERTER. SO THE POINT IS: IF SOMEONE CAN EXPLAIN TO ME OR GUIDE ME IN THE NEXT STEP TO RECOVER THE PLATINUM_PALLADIUM ONCE THE CONVERTER IS OPEN, BECAUSE THE HONEYCOMB I THINK IS MADE OF CERAMIC. WHY I WANT TO KNOW THIS: TO PROVE TO A COUPLE OF FRIENDS THAT THE CONVERTERS HAVE A LITTLE AMOUNT OF THESE METALS. THEY THINK THAT I AM CRAZY OR NUTS. MARIO Z "hobbyist" - TIJUANA , BAJA CALIFORNIA, MEXICO ++++ If you want to do it just to prove your friends the point, then I agree to them. But if you're willing to make money out of it, be prepared to spend a decent amount of life and a little fortune with no guarantee of success up front. Guillermo Marrufo Monterrey, NL, Mexico
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Scrap Catalytic Converter Platinum Recycle Full Lincoln $71.01 44m
+++++ We have the process for getting platinum ( and other platinum grade metal from scrap catalytic converters). Listen to your friends. The platinum is there, but it is a very dangerous process. You have to know what you are doing. Charles K - Burtonsville, Maryland
View all disclaimer scrap catalytic converter 2008 Domestic platinum $71.50 3h 30m
Scrap Catalytic Converter Platinum $203.00 4h 01m
++++++ Catalytic converters have precious metal in them, Mario. It's the precious metals that provide the catalytic reaction. So collect on the bet. Recovery is dangerous and
shouldn't be attempted by untrained individuals though :-)
Ted Mooney, P.E. finishing.com Brick, New Jersey
++++++ Yes there is Platinum in catalytic converters. You can't recover it yourself but you have to take it a place that buys gold, metals, scraps... I buy catalytic converters, I pay good money. It depends on what kind of catalytic converter you have and if it's full, or half full. Monica M - Louisville, Kentucky
++++++ Monica M, Can you please explain what you mean by full or half-full. also, what different types of catalytic converters are there? which ones are most desirable for resell to refiners? Thanks - Mark Mark W - San Antonio, Texas
+++++++ Hi I currently buy and sell catalytic converters to a man. He has often told me that he will be out of town selling these catalytic converters. My question is how much more is he getting paid and where does he take them to? Currently the best paid one I have had is
one for $120.00, if anyone can help me please do so. Juan M buyer/seller - Seven Springs, North Carolina
+++++++ I think Ted was kind of on the right track with his answer, but just as wrong as the rest of the responders. You will probably not find anyone willing to give up the process that they use because they use it to recover the material themselves. It would be nice if they came right out and said that so you could use your powers of internet research on chemistry to devise your own way of extracting the materials. BTW, if a person wishes to blow themselves up or poison themselves let them do it just don't take anyone else with you. Ron H - Scranton, Pennsylvania
+++++++ I have access to hundreds of catalytic converters, and want to know how to extract, not refine, the platinum from them. This would save shipping fees, but I'm not sure if I can just cut out the part containing the platinum, or do I have to strip it out? Georgia T recycler, junk dealer - Nashville, Tennessee
Ron, yes, certainly people can be coy. But the main issue is difficulty, not secretiveness. Brain surgeons and aircraft engineers may be coy too, but their coyness is not the main reason why people don't post a simple answer here on how to do brain surgery or design a jetliner :-) Recovering precious metals requires a significant investment in time, education, and equipment. Georgia, you can cut the valuable part out from the steel. They will look a lot like a small muffler. The metal housing is stainless steel and contains no precious metal (although stainless steel has scrap value too). The precious metal is in the ceramic honeycombs you find inside. Good luck! Ted Mooney, P.E. finishing.com Brick, New Jersey
9 grams of platinum in the honeycomb. Nathan H . I have one way to do it but it is kinda hectic.Vernon. for an average size converter it has about 1.Rotherham. But. Looking at ebay with asking prices from about $10 to $150 for scrap catalytic convertors. for the ones that want to know why they are so expensive. Alabama +++++++ I did the math as you asked.. finishing. Nathan..and do the math at 1200 dollars an ounce for platinum.. and there are books that compare the alternative approaches and explain the chemistry in depth. Read the great reviews of Ammen's book --> But why does your company "need" to get platinum from this source rather than buying it? If can you provide a little more detail on what you Object 9 . Rachel. South Yorkshire.com Brick. Object 7 Ted Mooney.+++++++ Hello. I would like to know whom I could sell the catalytic converters. it seems that developing a good "buy low / sell high" strategy is a much easier way to make money than doing the dangerous chemistry. and came up with $80. What is the best way of doing this? Rachael C work in a glass lab . P. UK Object 8 +++++++ Recovery of precious metals is a well developed industrial science.E. New Jersey +++++++ I work in a lab and need to produce platinum from a catalytic converter on a small and safe scale.
BUT IT SEEMS TO ME THAT NO ONE WANTS TO GIVE THIS VALUABLE INFORMATION UP IN FEAR OF OTHER PEOPLE MAKING THE KIND OF MONEY THEY'RE MAKING. Thanks! Ted Mooney. AND OTHER FOREIGN ILLNESSES. LOUIS. P. BUT TO DENY THE PEOPLE TO MAKE MANY WHETHER YOU BELIEVE OR NOT TO BE DANGEROUS IS OUR DECISION IF WE WANT TO DO IT. like how thick should the nickel-cadmium plating be on a turbine blade. but if you say "tell me how to build a jetliner". finishing. I MEAN REGARDLESS OF IF IT'S A DANGEROUS PROCESS OR NOT ITS OUR OWN DECISION IF WE WANT TO GO THROUGH WITH IT OR NOT. Just as Boeing & Airbus are not concerned that you will compete against them in building jetliners. Missouri Hi. ALCOHOL FOR ONE IS A DANGEROUS PROCESS IN EVERY WAY BUT PEOPLE NEVER DENIED US THE PROCESS OF CONSUMING IT AS WELL AS DRUGS. Give yourself a few weeks of diligent reading and you'll be able to ask rather specific questions. . you will probably get better targeted and therefore more helpful answers. P. THAT WE DON'T EVEN ASK FOR. Good luck. Johnson-Matthey & Heraeus are not afraid of their halfbillion dollar precious metal refineries facing competition from individuals.are trying to do. people may answer. it's that they simply can't answer a question that broad. SO FOR ANYONE WOULDN'T MIND SHARING SOME VALUABLE INFORMATION PLEASE LET ME KNOW THE PROCESS OF EXTRACTING THESE PRECIOUS METALS Wade Collins . Wade.com Brick. it's not that they refuse to answer. It's not so much secret as difficult to explain when starting from zero.start by reading books that are readily available from any large library (did you ask yet if your library had the books we already recommended?). New Jersey +++++++ MY NAME IS WADE COLLINS AND I WAS TRYING TO FIND THIS PROCESS OUT MYSELF.ST. I MEAN THERE ARE A LOT OF DANGEROUS THINGS OUT HERE.S. All they can do is say "start by attending an aeronautical engineering college for four years" :-) Recovery of precious metals is a well developed science-. WORKING IN ASBESTOS AREAS.E. and people will probably be willing and able to answer. If you ask a specific question regarding how jetliners are built.
France .com Brick.Belvidere. Vermont USA þÿ Search Home/Sitemap · you are here: Forum => letter 27814. I buy & sell many catalytic convertor. but I don't know the method for take out the platinum from it. if it's possible can you help me? how do we do it? regards Jouni . page 2 HOW TO RECOVER PLATINUM FROM CATALYTIC CONVERTERS. Couldn't for the life of me figure out what this guy was keeping them for and why he was hiding them so far from the road. page 2 1 2 3 4 5 6 +++++++ hi friends.Ted Mooney. 2011 LOL Just acquired a foreclosed estate property with acreage and found a mountain of converters waaaayyyy back in the woods under tarps. Roberto Gremini . Stumbled on this thread and now I know.E. finishing. P. New Jersey January 11.
step by step method of doing this. Between 500 deg C and 800 deg C.+++++++ Since "complicated and dangerous" doesn't seem to satisfy the masses on what it takes to extract precious medals from items such as catalytic converters. respectively. SiCl4 as defluorination agent. in the absence of SiCl4. The rare earth chloride yield for 2 hours was 56 to 88 mol pct in the absence of SiCl4 and 92 to 99 mol pct in the presence of SiCl4. but carbochlorination at above 1000 C yielded a large amount of acidinsoluble residue. $24.5 hours in the (Cl2 1 SiCl4 1 AlCl3) atmosphere and then at 1000 C for 6 hours in the (Cl2 1 AlCl3) atmosphere along different temperature gradients. Their combination allows an efficient and environmentally conscious extraction and separation of rare earth elements from the mixed concentrate. . HOW TO RECOVER RARE METALS FROM ELECTRON . This. apparent activation energy of the carbochlorination within 2 hours changed from 22 to 16 kJ/mol roughly for the initial half hour and final 1 hour.1 kJ/mole under 2 kPa of SiCl4 gas. together with the negligible equilibrium vapor pressure of ThCl4 at below 600 C. and AlCl3 as vapor complex former. The CVT reaction of the carbochlorination product was performed at 800 C for 0. there is no simpler. leading to complete thorium removal and efficient rare earth separation. The process to do so is known as carbochlorination and the simplified textbook definition of the process is as follows: A stepwise carbochlorination--chemical vapor transport (SC--CVT) process is proposed for the rare earth extraction and separation from a mixed bastnaesite-monazite concentrate based on thermodynamic and kinetic analysis using carbon as reductant. respectively. I'll put it in another way.. suggests that carbochlorination of the mixed concentrate at temperatures as low as 500 deg C in the (Cl2 1 SiCl4) atmosphere is suitable for rare earth extraction and thorium-free volatile by-product release. but these values reduced to 15 and 2. which is different from the conventional Goldschmidt process at 1000 C to 1200 C. chlorine gas as chlorination agent..95 4d 04h 36m View all disclaimer If you can't understand that then you're out of luck.
Cory Gage - Tulsa, Oklahoma
+++++++ The reason these [expletive deleted] don't want to give you the info is cause of the loss of money they would be hit with. The high value cat's get 2 to 300 dollars that hold up to 2 ounces of platinum in them.Notice you caught the eye of so many on here trying to buy yours instead of showing how you can recover 2 ounces of platinum. Now 1 ounce goes for what 1300 dollars.I wouldn't show you how to recover it either! Zachary Rumble - Lawton, Oklahoma
+++++++ Cory just finished taking the time to give you the 'secret' info, Zachary. But you don't yet have the background knowledge to understand his instructions. Any large library will have books on recovering platinum and precious metals; you may need to study those books before you understand Cory's instructions. I bought a new catalytic converter from Meineke for under $150. Some models for larger cars may have more platinum but $2600 worth sounded ludicrous. So I spent some time on line looking for the world's most expensive catalytic converter and the best I could do was $2495 for a pair for a Ferrari, Although the precious metals are indeed valuable, maybe the real issue is that there are people who want to sell you scrap at ridiculous prices by exaggerating its value while implying that recovery is easy?
Ted Mooney, P.E. finishing.com Brick, New Jersey
+++++++ I am a buyer of scrap catalytic converters.The process you ask about is very hard and dangerous. It is a process that is regulated under EPA standards. It is profitable to sell the converter as a whole unit. You can refine or have them refined in other countries if you want to gather up 3000 of them and wait 90 days on your money to come back to you. My web site buys on average 2500 catalytic converters a month. I have tried it all and to refine a converter yourself is totally crazy. There is 3 acids in the process and it becomes very explosive and at
times it does explode.The proper automated machines keep the workers safe when this happens. There are several platinum groups in most converters. A large gm I pay 100.00 for it on my web site. A aftermarket converter is not worth what a factory converter is. It will only net you 10.00 as scrap. Some large converters I pay 140.00 for them and some exotic converters go higher than that, 200.00 or so. Before you find all there is to refining your own think about the people around you and the laws of the land. Steven Gee - Hornsby, Tennessee
+++++++ I agree with Mr. Mooney's last post. It is impossible to recover $200 in metals value from a product that RETAILS for less than $200! Now, I do believe that finding silver/gold/Pt/Pd and other precious metals in a refinable form is still do-able at flea-markets, garage and estate sales and thrift stores - with enough time and patience. They, like others, have become much more sophisticated, so, likely they tested and 'high-graded' anything before it went out for sale. Garage sales at private residences (NOT conducted by professional estate or auction services) remain the best candidates. Bruce A Ades - Carrollton, Texas
+++++++ I am new to scrap metal. I want to get the metal out of these items. Does anybody know a melt down place to retrieve these metals? I want to make a living doing scrap metal. Vicky in Los Angeles Victoria Blanchard hobbyist - Los Angeles, California
+++++++ The carbochlorination behavior of scrapped honeycomb-type automobile catalysts was investigated using a chlorine and carbon monoxide gas mixture to fully extract platinum and rhodium in the catalysts. The recoveries of platinum, rhodium, and base metals are monitored by ICP-AES analyses. Upflow type of fixed-bed carbochlorination experiments were performed between 250 and 700 C. The effects of flow rate, time, and partial pressures of chlorine and carbon monoxide were also determined. After optimization of these parameters, the recoveries of about 95.9% of platinum and 92.9% of rhodium were obtained
at 550 C. The recovered condensate was contaminated by various base metal chlorides. The chlorides generated from the base metals could be minimized by decreasing the flow rate of the gas mixture without any deterioration of PGM recoveries, but at the expense of the volatility. The carbochlorination of scrapped automobile catalysts could be an efficient way for the profitable recovery of platinum and rhodium chlorinated compounds at comparatively low temperatures. sorry i cant find the credits Brian McKee - Buffalo, New York
January 26, 2008 I agree with most of the comments here. The process is not one that everyone should be trying. It is much easier to just find someone who is doing it all the time. There are a few good companies that would be happy to buy all the CCs you can get them. If you want to try something try to recover gold. It is plenty dangerous enough for the thrill seekers and you are much more likely to have a good outcome. After you have done a few hundred pounds of gold then you can move up to this. I should mention scale is very important when it comes to profit margins on both of these processes. Michael Biggs - Princeton, Texas
January 29, 2008 Recovery of metals from cats is difficult| Is it possible to recondition the cat ready for re installation .E G.Vacuum baking to remove volatiles followed by baking in air to burn off carbon? Mickey Louvel chemist - Hampshire, U.K.
February 10, 2008 http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/5542957-description.html Here you will find several ways to extract the metals. And for everyone out there who enjoys censoring information to the masses, tisk tisk. Adam Underwood
2008 Have you seen anyone censoring anything. but I persevered and finally broke the catalytic converter off. Western Australia February 11.00. California February 19. so I too could own some PLATINUM. Prices are based on types. Or is it just a burning curiosity? Maybe we should have some legal authority monitoring of this thread. New Jersey February 11. eh? And no.. To my surprise.PJC Peter Carey .Perth. you do not want to refine the tiny bit of metal in each without a lab behind you. Adam? Ted Mooney. Cindy Reynolds . 2008 I wonder where all these people are getting ALL these cats. I decided to take my leather jacket off and break the red hot pipe from the converter. Alabama February 10. I didn't have time to get out of it's way and ran over it at 110 km/h(70 MPH). quantity.com Brick. cried over the stuffed jacked and shoe and proceeded to take to the thing with my oxy-acetylene cutter. It's dangerous plus you'll lose money. I placed it in the truck of my vehicle and raced it home. volume. The replacement bumper and paintwork cost me $780..San Francisco. I did the first aid on my hands. it was just an old muffler!!! What a day!!!! Enjoy your converter people. I burnt my hands dragging the thing from the road.Mobile. P. I stopped to check the damage and remove the converter and tailpipe from the road.E. James Monroe . I wonder because somebody just hacked mine off my Jeep with a Sawsall. 2008 About 4 years ago I was traveling along the highway and a catalytic converter dislodged it's self from the vehicle in front of me. The sole of my shoe and my jacket were destroyed in this process. having some knowledge of it.. 2008 Those of you wanting more for your converters are in a jam. and remember everyone has to make a profit or they would be out of business. finishing.
James Wilson . 2008 I own a salvage company. Ohio March 16. Doug Dugan hobbyist . I in turn found out the secret.in a perfect world.Springfield. how much money I will receive for which model? I don't want to give 50 and get 30. Kurt Crosby . How do I know if there is any precious metals left in them. The reason most people don't do it is they are either dreamers or just too stupid or flat out too lazy to try when they find out what it takes. 2008 I too used to think like most of you until I talked to a gentleman who owns a bronze sculpture foundry.... I have no interest in recovering the platinum.Dalton. One that came off of a .. So can some one give me a price list. You can find the plans for a furnace online easily.I know there are ways around but at least we are trying. I just want to sell the cat. Wisconsin March 11. Platinum and Palladium are each different weights and one has a higher melting point than the other so when cooling down they tend to separate somewhat.so they have just passed a law that the purchaser must get the id of the seller which helps determine if a Jeep cat was cut off and a Jeep cat was sold the next day they can find you. A Crucible and crucible furnace is all you need along with someborax [link is to product info] and silica sand. and then you have almost pure platinum and palladium.Kilkenny.. 2008 The cat's are disappearing here in Minn. The average cc contains around (if all used up) about a 1/4 oz.Prairie Du Chien. Minnesota March 19. Georgia April 24. 2008 How do I know if my converter cartridge has any material left in it? I have access to cartridges which have been removed from converters. Thanks and good luck all. Do some research it is not that hard to search this stuff.. Easy to assemble and use. When you pour the mold it will cool and the slag can be removed with a small hammer.
000 dollars. If i buy one that came off of a new car it will yield way more than that of a knock off. This fit with the plan and now it will cost 18. They use a pgm that is not as high as platinum or pall.[certain model] that had been wrecked before it got used almost new produces close to 3 oz. You just have to be safe doing it so you don't hurt your self in the process. P. New Jersey April 26.Purcell.E.000. I average 2 to 3. To sum it all up if you buy for 100. When the cc was added because of emissions control cars started becoming 10 to 12000 dollars. I also extract gold from plated cosmetic jewelry and have a good time doing it in my spare time. Chuck. So if we assume the car maker uses half palladium and half platinum it would cost them $3575 to charge a converter? Some convertors are worth more than others.00 you have to make a profit. If you don't you are just spinning your wheels. They make a lot and the guys who melt them make a killing. Regards. 2008 The new converters that they sell are not like the ones that come on the new car. Do your research if you want to make money. They don't care if it costs them 3 grand to produce one for the new car because they will add that to the new car price. It is doable and should be done by anyone with half a brain! chuck graham . but something doesn't add up.com Brick. finishing.. 2008 The "low" price for platinum today was $1951/oz. Also with a lot of states like here that require an inspection sticker no more. the low price for palladium was $432/oz.00 every weekend on cc's. . Oklahoma April 24. It is there and I make a lot on it every weekend. the new cats that you get are either reconditioned or made of cheap stuff. If people would take the time to do it right they would make a lot of extra money for themselves. Don't let the buyers of cc's lie and say they don't hardly get much more from you on them from their buyers. Just an example: before the cc came out on new cars the value of a car was in the mid thousand dollar range. They use the price of the car to offset the cc that has the platinum inside. Ted Mooney. I just smelted an '89 and produced 1/3 oz of platinum on a dead one. They can put less of the valuable components into them for sale in these states and still be in compliance.000 and up. These are after market. Like in the 70's a new car (not a Cadillac mind you) but a regular car was around 7.
HNO3). dry and heat to 500 C to remove impurities. I have been selling the vehicles off one by one.San Francisco. Utah April 30.Tooele.Chuck Chuck Graham . treat with Ammonium chloride. wash with HCl. strain the resulting solution and dispose of the ceramic. 2008 How much precious metal is in 60 grams of catalytic converter flakes? Hi someone please help me with these questions: 1) on ebay people sell collected flakes of platinum from catalytic converters. 2008 Hi. How much platinum is in 60 grams of these flakes? 2) where can I sell it? 3) how much can I expect to get per ounce of this stuff? Thanks for your help Joe Goday interested in getting involved . evaporate. Kathie Meli junk yard owner . some for scrap at $90 to $100 each.Purcell. California April 25. I'm I right in my assumption? Thanks for any help you can give me. . I'd like to know: are the cars/trucks with the catalytic converters intact worth more? I'm I being ripped off? Yesterday I found approx. I recently inherited a mini junk yard. 2008 Reflux the honeycomb in aqua regia (HCl. Oklahoma April 29. ten converters in a shed. would it be worth it to purchase a Crucible furnace and extract the platinum/palladium myself? It seems to me that the older and heavier ones would be more valuable.
Washington June 13. 2008 Well I am sure we are all tired of hearing the same questions over and over again and that HOW. Now I am no rocket scientist but it sure don't take one to fill up that 55 gallon barrel and have it shipped to a refiner in Cali. A barrel full is worth about 20. I am currently in between jobs and could use the money to get me through. like the starters & alternators? I know they have the copper windings inside. so what's your choice? I for one will stick to watching "How Its Made" on the Discovery channel and learn from the Pro's on how to safely recycle converters. do they? Or. you can go find what your looking for on the Discovery network. muriatic acid so you can mix them in the right amounts to make the acid that is needed to extract the metals. then you will need hydrochloric acid. That part is soooo simple anyone can do it. New York May 12. Carol Stevens . 2008 "And by the way if your still wanting to try it all your selves.000 USD.Olalla. I won't go in to more detail than that. 2008 I have 6 or so cars that I have been dragging my feet about getting rid of. You will notice there are different colored beads. muriatic acid so you can mix them in the right amounts to make the acid that is needed to extract the metals. do they just weigh them and give you a set price. I think I should remove and scrap my converters before calling the junk dealer and just giving the cars away. I also know they pay a lot less for 'dirty' metal as I scraped some aluminum window frames a few years ago and was paid a lot less for the ones that had screws and other metal still attached. I am sure they will have a re-run there. you can go find what your looking . then you will need hydrochloric acid. And by the way if your still wanting to try it all your selves. Also. the dark ones are the trash and the other lighter colored ones are the metals your looking for. I won't go in to more detail than that. Dale R . First of all get a 55 gallon barrel and then start collecting converters. How do I or the recycler now the value of each? Surely they do not take them apart on the spot. is there other parts that might be worth my while to scrap.with the recent outbreak of thefts. Well stop asking the how and just ask what's the best way to make the most money you can.Honeoye Falls.regardless? Just wondering if it will be worth my while to jack up and climb under and cut off the converters. punch a hole in the converters and the beads will usually fall out.Steve Shaw .Texas June 17.
Regards. finishing. Then Chuck from Purcell. TED. perhaps without basic chemistry knowledge. Tyler. P.E. New Jersey June 27. Dale from Texas suggested collecting the beads in barrels as the best place to position yourself in the recovery chain to make money simply and easily.for on the Discovery network. Please study. you tell us about chemicals to thwart us from trying when you people are probably just tossing them into a furnace and pouring brick after brick. Then Brian from Buffalo did the same.. "pouring brick after brick" of precious metal. can perform a precious metal refining process. • • • • • But instead of thanking anyone. Why? just to try to discourage us because you don't want us possibly taking your profit if were in your area. Cory from Tulsa explained in detail how the precious metals can be recovered. GOOD GRIEF! Y'KNOW. "I wont go into more detail than that. Then Adam from Mobile pointed you to a patent describing some methods. available from any library. It's just ridiculous.com Brick.Norfolk. so why not just melt it out (after all you probably do) because its easier.. 2008 Hi." see it is that one lil sentence that is a bunch of bull. Virginia June 19. all metal will melt at some point. Ted Mooney.YOU ALWAYS HAVE SUCH A RESERVED CONTROL ." why in the heck can't you people share what you know? instead you have to be all secretive and say oh it's dangerous and you need all these poisonous chemicals.. but went on to name a TV program if you want to go further. Tyler E . I am sure they will have a re-run there. you demand that someone explain in one paragraph how people of unknown skill and experience. OK explained an alternate way to do it by melting. and then ask any detailed question you wish and people will probably be delighted to answer it. that will explain all. • We've named books. 2008 OH.
..WITH YOUR RESPONSES TO THESE POSTS AND I DO ADMIRE YOU FOR THAT.. BELIEVE ME. AAARRRRAGGGAAAHHHHH! OK.I'M ALRIGHT NOW. 2008 I have started down the Aqua regia route for reclaiming PMG's from cats which I'm quite ...FOR HOURS AND HOURS.I HAVE NOTHING TO SAY.. TED.. BUT..... I SWEAR.. cant fix dumb terry Pearson . NOW..(on a good night) FROM DREAMING ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS THESE MISDIRECTED.I UNDERSTAND JUST HOW OFTEN YOU MUST BITE YOUR LIP AND GIVE A SIGNIFICANT PAUSE TO REFLECT ON THE ABSURDITIES SOME OF THESE POSTERS KEY-OUT..I GET A REGULAR DOSE OF COMMENTS FROM INDIVIDUALS CLAIMING THAT THERE'S GOTTA BE SOME SORT OF CONSPIRACY WITH REGARD TO ACTUAL RETRIEVABLE PGM LOADS FROM VARIOUS AUTO CATALYSTS AND INDUSTRIAL SUCCENTS.rock springs. OK..'TILL IT STARTS ALL OVER AGAIN TOMORROW MORNING. SCREAMING. I SUPPOSE THAT I WOULD NEED TO WRITE-IN A FEW CHASE SCENES AND OTHER HI-TENSION SUBJECT MATTER TO HOLD GENERAL AUDIENCE INTERESTS. I DON'T KNOW IF I WOULD WANT TO INCLUDE THE PERSONAL REALITY OF ME WAKING UP IN A COLD-CLAMMY SWEAT. IN ANY MONTH..Moreno Valley.. THERE..... Umm. Allen Cook pgm refiner . SO MANY OF THEM DO BELIEVE THAT WE MUST BE SALVAGING MANY..I WILL.AND BEFORE MY SIDE STOPS HURTING FROM UNCONTROLLED LAUGHTER. YEAH.gonna pour myself a good brandy. 2008 why when someone lays it out for you you think its wrong? its not safe you can't do it in your house or basement if you get it wrong you die!! SO look it up and then think about it!! get it wrong... ONE HAS TO WONDER IF THEY ARE JOKING WITH US OR (even worse) ARE ACTUALLY SERIOUS ABOUT SOME OF THEIR FANTASTIC BELIEFS AND STATEMENTS. MANY TIMES THE ACTUAL AMOUNTS OF THOSE PRECIOUS METALS THAT EXIST IN THE SPENT CATALYSTS. California July 4.. NAIVE AND SOMETIMES HYSTERICAL PEOPLE HAVE TO SAY TO ME ON THE PHONE OR eMAIL.. you're dead and everyone close to you..... R. Wyoming July 4.. AND THEY ALSO BELIEVE THAT THE PROCESS IS SIMPLE AND COSTS VERY LITTLE TO DO IT.. I'LL GET THROUGH THIS TONIGHT. I DEAL WITH VARIOUS SEGMENTS OF THE PGM RECYCLING INDUSTRY ON A DAILY (and nightly) BASIS AND EVERY TIME I THINK THAT I'VE HEARD IT ALL. I COULD GATHER ENOUGH STORY MATERIAL TO MAKE A VERY BIZARRE COMEDY. I.OK.I HEAR SOMETHING EVEN FUNNIER.
I too am interested in procuring platinum from catalytic converters. could someone give the correct Step #1 Open up the converter with a torch. I would like to thank whom ever sends this information so that it can be distributed to people who do need extra income for their families. Scott Edgeler . Texas July 9. I will post it on the major internet services (google. Chuck? Bob Keen . Don Weaver hobbyist . I have tried googling on the internet and I have not found any significant "steps" to extract platinum from converters. I have read these questions and also the answers in great detail tying to resolve the correct procedures to make these extractions of platinum. 2008 Why is it that all these cat convertor thieves are asking how to extract the platinum. and so on until the last step of removing slag from the platinum.Palmerston Nth. 2008 Hi. What I can't fathom with Chuck's method though is that separation of the PMG's seem to be straight forward but the scientific papers on the subject say you only get separation of the PMG's if you use a carrier metal such as copper. Sincerely. However. Step #2 Strip the insides of the converter and place into a large crucible. I Remain. New Zealand July 4.comfortable with. the current market for rhodium is closer to £18K. I do like Chuck's method however and if I had seen it early enough would have gone down that road as it appears nice and clean.Palacios. Scott. Is there any one who can steer us folks in the correct step by step procedures? What # step do the different chemicals get added in? As soon as I obtain the correct step by step procedures for the extraction of platinum from auto catalytic converters. yahoo. etc.) for all to use. but I have no reason to assume they are thieves. that is how we know there is no real interest in the metal other than its resale value. Thank you again. I guess in some areas there is catalytic converter theft but I've never heard of an incident in my local newspapers or on my TV stations. they would know that the current market price for an ounce of platinum is closer to $4k. etc. and my son who is a . I personally think people are misguided in their amateur precious metal recovery efforts. 2008 Also.London. Step #3 Melt all of the contents. being a retired scientist(chemist). if anyone had done their homework. England July 9. Perhaps the key to it is the flux's that Chuck uses! Any comments.
finishing. YOU WILL KNOW A LITTLE MORE ABOUT WORLD MARKET PRECIOUS METALS BUYING AND SELLING VALUES. but I have some questions. would this work? How many times do you have melt the gold to remove all of the impurities? Does the waste or slag eventually come to the surface and then it is easy to pour out or do you have to strain it somehow? How do you measure the purity of gold? Where do you sell your gold when your done? What kind of price should I expect for an ounce of refined gold? (I know what gold is worth.JUST KEY-OUT "KITCO" OK? I'M GONNA GO TO BED NOW... New Jersey July 11.. I know when they are refining gold after being mined they use a combination of these five chemicals Manganese Dioxide... along with a graphite crucible.but please don't demand that we make the presumption that anyone we see climbing the church steps is on their way to rob the poor box :-) Regards.IT'S STARTING AGAIN. r.E. borax [link is to product info]. 2008 My question is for chuck who last posted on this topic back in April. You said that you reclaimed gold from jewelry. I am interested in getting into this so I have been doing some research. SCOTT. 2008 OMG. but I am not sure how close to full price I would be able to get for it).com Brick.. WHY ARE U QUOTING SUCH ABSURD SPOT-PRICES FOR PLATINUM AND PALLADIUM? IF YOU WILL REFER TO THE CURRENT DAILY PGM CHARTS DISPLAYED BY KITCO. C'MON. P..GAWD. If you've suffered a theft yourself. STOP IT SCOTT. allen cook . Any answers anyone can provide on this topic would be greatly appreciated. I intend to go to . fluoride. PLEEZ. I'm sorry for you -. California July 14.local cop here hasn't seen any incidences of it either.moreno valley. Ted Mooney. and Sodium Nitrate to remove the impurities from the gold. Silica flour. Could you use these same chemicals when melting jewelry? How does this process work? How much of each chemical should be used? What do you use? Also I was thinking of using an electric kiln capable of 2300 F..
he pays them X per. and what you are good at. 2008 1. Guy picks up cats from repair shops. you will not get a second chance. I am very tempted to try my hand at recovering metals from cats.. etc.) You want a plasma cutter to work at speed.78 g rhodium . If you mess up. however. Is this a reasonable price? He works primarily on higher priced cars.. in a cat has a value: A.take your pick.Palmerston North. Because cats run at extremely high temperatures.the library to do more research but if I could talk to someone who has actually done something like this it would help.so it looks as though if you want to get the most out of cat processing you grab the earlier cats most of whom will contain only platinum and palladium. you might do very well building relationships with owners of repair shops. The large English company of Johnson Matthey supply 1 in 3 cars worldwide with cats. Garret Boyer . You have to decide where you want to fit in the process. He is currently getting $30 each.19 g platinum. what you know (like chemistry). 1.04 g palladium and 0. You see where this is leading. They indicate that in 1993 cats contained 60 g of precious metals but with new technologies this has been reduced so that now cats only contain 5 g of precious metals and this equates approximately to 3. He can sell them to a processor for X. the chemicals required are. Bob Keen . (I'm not talking about the pipes on either side. including concentrated acids.. California July 14. The processor must cut open the cats and remove the core (that's where the platinum is. in fact. The value of your part of the process depends on how much work you want to do. plus Z for .) The processor can sell the core for X + Y. explosion .Vista. The info is available on the web. B. fire. 2. plus Y for (1) the work and expense of collecting them and (2) developing his network of suppliers (the repair shops). 2008 Some pertinent information for potential cat processors. Think boiling acid.) . about 15 cats a week. Every step towards recovering platinum. very dangerous. Friend of mine runs a repair shop. 3. I have some chemistry lab experience. (If you are good with people. C. but the body of the cat itself. New Zealand July 14. the steel parts are high grade and not easy to cut.
No chem degree required or magical explosions or secretive myths. Yes. Arizona USA July 18.. 2008 Ted Wow. they are making a killing but only the ones that stay quiet. get some cats and refine your process through the chain as you feel comfortable and safe. High temp acid and playing with chemical mixtures at any temperature is a great start to a bad weekend. since no one has asked it yet.Ardsley. Suggestion: if you do not need cash but want to start a play just start stockpiling CCs. start at step 1.be it chemistry or people (Ted). The level you wish to extract to depends on the level of work & knowledge OR test & try you . I liked the post that spoke to finding your place in the distribution chain i. what year did they start and stop putting the precious beads in these converters? Actually it's a question of curiosity . This is a basic process of extraction. OR 2.e. 1.Frank Richardson .Phoenix. You do NOT have to use a complex and dangerous chemical process to recover these metals unless you need high yield recovery. sourcing the CCs. You do not need to break out the boiling acid to make a buck. Then learn / test the next step and so forth.like playing with VooDoo dolls or something.. get a life. New York July 14. or you are happy to concentrate the cores to the point that that you are comfortable with and learn as you go then that is a great plan.that you apply. Bottom line if you are happy with less recovery... And actually they are right. Laura Shea . If you read through this post and all the threads you will find that there are two pools of thought. . 2008 I'll take the easy road . this is a chemical process that is dangerous. do multiple levels in the process and avoid what they are not good at . difficult and dirty and is a 'pro's only' game requiring much knowledge to avoid death and harm .
Jon Decker personal interest .. Get wealthy as you go . Regards. learn to buy cats. That's when you cash in. My chemistry and people skills may not be good. So you are dealing with some pretty bad radicals so be safe. I learned that the single most important thing necessary for a durable public forum website is to not print ad hominem attacks. So we'll be happy to print more postings from you.that why they are in the car. 2008 Hi. did a fast refinement to concentrate and then started doing the processing side. Texas July 18.don't outline problems but give better solutions so they can learn and grow. but they've been adequate to keep this site going for more than a quarter million postings over 19 years. stripped the cores.. I don't engage in any business except this website and haven't for many years -. Get rich quick? Nope. i. Be mindful of environmental impacts and keep the cores well stored. refine. Its a closed poverty and scarcity mindset that tries to infect others with the difficulty you found learning it..so I don't know what you mean about "your feedback and others in the business as being very transparent".when you get better later and have more skills and contacts you can convert for cash or refine it to the next step of stripping the cores well. There are carcinogens (cancer causing agents) in exhaust and many bad chemicals . learn to compact the cores.e. . Imagine though if you bought CC for 5 years. Jolly Roger PS Ted nothing actually against you however I see your feedback and others in the business as being very transparent including mr CAPITALS. or sell it as-is. wear breathing and other protection. Jon. instead why not try to help . but only if they talk about the topic rather than the other posters.Dallas. One last point is keep in mind the cores are dangerous from step 1. So do your 55 gallon drum but keep the drum & learn or sell it only once you know more about its real value. Take a long term view.. learn to safely strip cats.yip. Then if you decide the biz (or parts of the biz) is not for you you can sell your cores and cash out and probably make more because the metal prices keep going up..
com Brick. I have done this with gold. i want a direct dealer. 2008 I think you should look at what other products have Platinum in them there must be other applications that are not so hard to find electronics maybe? L. 2008 just a quick note.Ted Mooney.. New Jersey July 19.Brunswick. 2008 I believe I know how. Africa and Asia. finishing.. Garret Boyer . California July 22. Georgia July 21. P.E. but it is dangerous. calculated in kg? I get my goods from Europe.Vista. 2008 Hey Dale you said that you can ship a 55 gallon barrel full of CC beads to a refinery in CA. company that buy complete cat converter or buy those that have been removed from the case. aqua regia is made with . Hessen.000 to a refinery in CA.Atlanta. or did you just hear from someone that you could sell them for that much. What's the name of the refinery? Did you actually fill up a 55 gallon barrel full of the beads and sell it for $20. Please explain. you will need to dissolve it in a hot aqua regia. and believe you can do it with platinum. Georgia July 22. 2008 I have been searching for company or companies that recycle auto catalytic converter to transact business with. Collins Emeka Ali wholesaler . I called around to a few places and they say you can't get nearly that much for them. Mims Research . Germany July 20.your use of ounces and the confusion of value may be because the measure of TROY ounces for platinum is different from a standard ounce i believe MARCUS Hardy .Taunusstein.
I am not sure about platinum. 2008 hey I'm touss in ga and want to know more about selling these cats i have in my junk cars! please do help who buys them and how much? touss black auto sales . here's a message from a Firefighter/EMT/Hazmat Tech: You have no more business doing "do it yourself" metallurgy of this type than you have making your own fireworks or booze. what? Oh. the fumes and smoke are . gold appears as a white powder on the filter. this makes the acid start to work. Washington Ed.wired.html July 30. please at least warn the folks at 9-1-1 before you start. to get the $50.blog.morrow. Wait. You will have to crack the ceramic in a few places to accelerate the melt. Michigan August 4. note: Regarding theft of catalytic convertors. See you soon. never mind. 2008 I am going to explain the easiest way to do this. uranium.hydrochloric and nitric acids. Georgia August 8. see-. acids are very dangerous when you heat them. Next take it to an area far away from human traffic . the melting point of platinum is 1755°C. It is best to use a large ceramic coated cooks pot so you don't have to transfer the liquid later. after you dissolve the platinum you can recover it by filtering out the acid through a coffee filter.Bremerton. and kryptonite and stuff. And don't ask me to do too much readin! (No. Well. titanium.) Fred Weivraer .com/cars/2008/02/asplatinum-soa. and me and some of my buds here in the trailer park are thinkin of settin up an advanced precious metals extraction lab in my shed (thinkin of callin it "Hazmat Heaven") and I wanna know from you people what's a cheap easy way I can learn from one post. After the melt has cooled cover half of it with chemically pure nitric acid. platinum. 2008 Hey. much hotter than gold at 1063°C I hope this helps and gives you enough information that you will be able to make a good decision on is it really worth it! Dennis Misenar . cover the remainder with water.Grand Rapids. This can be done in a 30 gallon steel barrel with a crucible inside. However keep in mind that it can be extremely dangerous if you are not constantly paying attention. First you take the contents of the CC whether it be beads or honeycomb and melt it. but seriously folks. I got me some cat converters we found just hangin off the cars in the walmart parkin lot.000 worth of palladium. Chuck was the smartest and closest poster yet.
the acid will eat everything but gild and platinum metals . Zinc. Does this not fit in with your description of the two metals being melted? As I see it for any one who has. Gold. Florida August 21. Platinum . Mercury.. If any of you readers try this approach please report back on the minimum amount of litharge you can use and don't be so damn secretive. The PbO is reduced to lead which acts as a carrier metal for the precious metals. Yes. there is always danger in attempting to extract precious or semi-precious metal due to the heat and gas-release aspect.. Iron. 2008 A query to Chuck . 2008 . Bob Keen . REMEMBER this is very dangerous but it works Angelo C retired . New Zealand August 22. I've carried out a literature search the results of which indicate that with the crucible furnace approach the temperature of the contents of the crucible must be such as to melt the precious metal under consideration for it to form a button of metal in the bottom of the mould. Petersburg. All must be MELTED (smelted)to a liquid or semi-liquid state in order to separate it from all other metals/minerals/waste.. Some metals must undergo multiple smeltings to be purified to a level which makes "recovery/collection" feasible. Different metals require different temperatures to melt/smelt/separate. Aluminum. This means it takes a crucible furnace that can melt bronze if you want to recover silver or gold but you need a special crucible furnace that can reach above the upper limit of iron to at least melt the palladium which would act as a carrier metal for platinum which melts at a higher temperature. or can build a crucible furnace capable of melting bronze your still in the picture. Tin. then dissolve the lead (and the palladium will also go) out of the button with nitric acid leaving the platinum behind. Carry out a large scale fire assay approach and add litharge to the flux mix.Hi Chuck. Put this on an old gas barbecue with a side burner and heat it . you have been rather shy in coming back with answers but you may come back on this one. Sliver. take what is left in the bottom of the pot to a refiner and they will refine it and pay you much more than you will get if you sell them whole.Palmerston North.truly DEADLY. All metals give off varying degrees of toxic fumes during the smelting process. What is the process for extraction/recovery of platinum from vehicle catalytic converters that makes it "risky" or "near-impossible" ? .St. Steel. Copper..
Like how to separate the platinum from the other elements. G'Day ! . 2008 Hi I have a reactor for leaching catalysts same catalytic convertors process is simple and . you are truly a wise man replying calmly to a variety of wildly different and equally stupid comments in your own due time. Texas October 13. It is a risky criminal venture and you'll be making probably about $50 off of it. rch Richard Howell .. DON'T. i. DON'T. just curious . Keep up the good work. This requires $millions. let me say to others before they post: IF YOU ARE THINKING OF TRYING TO GET INTO THE PRECIOUS METALS EXTRACTION BUSINESS AS A SMALL TIME PERSONAL BUSINESS.Houston....Jackson. Forget it. IF YOU ARE THINKING OF STEALING CATALYTIC CONVERTERS TO SELL FOR PROFIT. Ted..and the ceramic that are found in cat converters. Cheers Ian Vollers . There are easier ways to scrounge up fifty bucks.. 2008 I am trying to come up with enough platinum from an automobile's catalytic converters to build the stacks..e. what a strange and interesting corner of the internet this is to have stumbled into.cathode and anode for a 7 kw solid oxide fuel cell to produce electricity. And further is it possible and feasible and cost effective? William Perry researcher . You can only profit from refining the platinum if you are set up to do it in a professional working environment.. 2008 My.West Blocton. Mississippi August 26. Can anyone steer me in the right direction and method to obtain the elements that is inside the catalytic converter. foundry equipment. Alabama October 27. As an outsider having come in this subject with an impartial point of view and having reached a conclusion.
hollis.89 2h 00m View all disclaimer December 15. and zinc are hard for me to identify unless I already know what it is. FL..effective recovery platinum is 97% in this process we load pacol catalyst about 15 KG then add sodium cyanide 60 liter 1% after 2 h and 160 c platinum and other precious metals dissolve we recover solution on anionic resin after burning resin we have pure platinum then this platinum purified. platinum.. Kentucky 6 ACID GOLD TEST KIT + PLUS ONE 600 GR. Some precious metals are obvious but.. Alaska . Mahmoodbeigi .St. If anyone knows of a place it would be most helpful.Swansea. I don't normally write on forums just read them. Petersburg.please reply. and never the reverse. 2008 Sorry folks had to say something on the subject. most discoveries are made from mistakes after all. Dave tupps .... U.K. So if you know where to acquire one.if not sorry for wasting your time. Iran November 12. Wales. So much heat is released that the solution may boil very violently. If you add water to acid.. the solution that forms is very dilute and the small amount of heat released is not enough to vaporize and spatter it. I don't know how much of it is pure or not but I'm having a hard time finding a place i can sell to. Dennis Klabel peddler ..Esfahan.... NEVER ADD WATER TO ACID. But I will say: DO NOT LISTEN TO Angelo C retired . November 21. So Always Add Acid to water.silver. 2008 I was given some platinum shavings from my father in law. DIGITAL SCALE $27.Lexington. Anyhow it's not anyone's place to say you shouldn't experiment with these suggestions. splashing concentrated acid out of the container! If you add acid to water.. Travis Watkins .. 2008 I need to find the device that is used to identify which precious metal I have acquired. you form an extremely concentrated solution of acid initially.aluminum.
Petersburg. you form an extremely concentrated solution of acid initially. it may cause no problem. Regards. If you add water to acid.E. This isn't just book stuff. everyone should be allowed to experiment with these processes and perhaps learn a better way to extract these precious metals. When water and acid are mixed." I completely disagree. at my place of employment. But Angelo is correct about the principle. it's real stuff that has injured many people. and it's the safe procedure to learn. The principle is that if a droplet of water is added to strong acid. I think that you should read up and lean the do and don'ts of the process but in the end. NEVER ADD WATER TO ACID.. New Jersey December 19. Chris. this is called the heat of liberation.Neenah Wisconsin Hi. Most of the new questions have been answered farther back. and then you'll never have a problem wondering whether the acid is weak enough to keep you out of trouble.St. FL. P.. Chris Jones . As for being informed and the morality of "stealing" a process. finishing. Never been a problem with it. So Always Add Acid to water. If you add water to an acid which is already sufficiently diluted. splashing concentrated acid out of the container! If you add acid to water. Ted Mooney. .. 2008 "DO NOT LISTEN TO Angelo Casa retired .. I add another gallon of the same acid to the 5 gallon pail. not the concentration. and never the reverse. I am only changing the volume of acid. the heat of liberation can be great enough to flash that droplet of water to steam and blow concentrated acid out of the mixing container. simple or not. Now. 2008 I must add that thus far. the solution that forms is very dilute and the small amount of heat released is not enough to vaporize and spatter it. heat is produced. I must fill a 55 gallon drum with 10 gallons of hydrochloric acid and then dilute with 45 gallons of water. it seems that some haven't even read the whole forum. So much heat is released that the solution may boil very violently..com Brick..December 21. you can have a situation where that droplet is surrounded by concentrated acid and as it begins to mix.let's pretend I have a 5 gallon pail with 1 gallon of hydrochloric acid in it.. Once weekly. This has been done this way every week since the place opened in 1967.
platinum. 2008 I thinking what most of the people want to know is if there is a complete prefabricated system we can buy and use to extract this metals. etc. I can understand but just cutting the cats open and the shipping all the insides to someone who is more trained and . like the bio diesel making system .. Canada December 31.The real reason. Think about it. Canada December 26. You may be doing a small favor to the environment. Some scrap yards try to pay you the minimum price ($5). Minnesota January 7. (no good) also if you shake it it should not make a noise if it is full. if you can see through the end it is hollow. there are places all around Minnesota that buy old cats. some places even pay up to a hundred. you will learn that gold.. Others that actually take into consideration about the money they will make off you. but the refineries wouldn't be there unless it was absolutely worth it. that I am responding is if you check up about gas and other such fossil fuel emissions. 2009 Ok I understand everybody's concern in the welfare of other's safety. Better to have the money in your pocket than someone else's. if it does. even though the process is complex enough. Ontario. they have the best cat prices. are found in these fuels and are released into the air upon burning. Mike Brown . will pay 50-75 dollars. Lisa Harrison hobbyist . This is why you can buy a $200 cat and 5 years later.. You are in fact collecting these precious materials for someone else to make a lot of profit.not the bio diesel one ) ? Fahd Mellal . as for half full half empty they are talking bout how much stuff is inside the cat. though. palladium.. adding to the cat's original metal content. the cat is still worth something just not the full price. Good luck and be careful. The process of extracting these materials was only partially aired on TV not too long ago where the spokesman of the company let slip that cats do the same filtering and collecting as his plant does through filtering emissions.. This makes the cats more valuable than they actually started off as and this discovery had been made some 30 years ago. is there any companies who sell these system ? (the Metals recovering system .Ottawa. If you can refine it yourself though the above mentioned process by the others.Alberta. sell it for about $100 (where it just seems to be an old piece of junk) The gentleman had shown a tray of blackish powder and stated that its contents were platinum and palladium (mostly) and was worth over 3 million dollars.. do so. The cats actually catch these metal particles.Willmar.. in Monticello MN they have Integrated Recycling. 2008 Cats are worth about $50-75 when the scrap prices are good.
Good luck . Michael Manning . and I know of many people in my area who will be protecting their vehicles with a shotgun. 2009 Hello all. rather. The thieves have been stealing from hard working people who may not really to be able to afford replacement parts. Texas January 31. and I have heard of someone who has been hit 3 times. it is now legal in Texas to kill someone who is stealing from you. There was a lot of good info that was given and very helpful. I am just curious to see what type of money can really be made I am never shy of a new business venture. change your policies to force sellers of catcons to provide their photo ID. BTW. Do not ask me if the catcon is worth someone's life. I ran across this after the catcon was stolen from under my 4Runner whilst at the grocery store.experienced with the right resources in this type of field sounds like a good idea to me. In Seattle alone its a huge business stealing cats and from the looks of it its spreading all over the US. make and model of their vehicle.Round Rock. Food for thought: If you don't want to take the time to read these posts or want to learn then your setting yourself up for failure. 2009 I spent the time reading through every post that was made. ask the scumbag thief if his/her life is worth getting caught. But from what I have noticed is 75% of the people that were asking about which ones were worth more or demanding to know how to refine/extract the rare minerals out are the thieves.Pittsburgh. Thank You BRAD Bradley Kemp . Pennsylvania January 17. This is becoming an epidemic. If you are a scrap dealer. as well as license plate number. Mine was stolen yesterday while it was parked outside my apartment. If there is a way that I can do this please share. Just remember. that someone seeking the "easy" (read that as idiot's) way to extract the precious metals is more than likely a thief. and possibly take a photo of the seller to insure that they can be reached if it turns out they have been buying and selling stolen parts.
and that has made them targets (because thieves can rob them en masse from a car dealership with less noise.David Fiiola . Regards. I put myself out of business. 2009 Hi. light. There is so much confusion and disinformation in this thread I just had to say something. note that knowledge is power.Seattle Washington February 2. 2009 Okay. They just do as they saw their boss do. Google it. Ted Mooney. The only way a small minority refiner can compete with larger more well heeled refiners is to have figured out a way to do the job smarter and cheaper. I am not going to tell you how to refine the Platinum Group Metals (PGMs) either. in time and research and experimentation and labor. and get the same results. Once I tell the world that. a local cop. New Jersey February 5. because "better" can be code for "easier to steal". there is a gold refining website I saw that tells you a lot more than I would have. So as this trend of catalytic converter theft continues to spread. We'll let specialty sites that carry more detail guide the readers on which converters are more valuable. and welding smoke to attract attention. Giving the fruits of that labor for free assigns no value to my work. He noted that on some new models the converter can be removed with wrenches . David. I'm not going to use Ted's site to promote another. First. Second. P.E. Why? Because I paid for my education. That being said. I can't take it anymore. If we knew which posters (if any) were thieves. we wouldn't print their inquiries :-) I reported earlier that my son. You can Google books on inorganic chemistry and just download . I suggest learning chemistry well enough to know what is happening. we are editing postings that claim that particular converters are 'better' to get hold of than others. finishing.no saw or torch.but that has changed.com Brick. hadn't encountered catalytic converter theft -. Sorry that you were a victim of this theft. Most people refining these metals don't have a clue as to the chemistry involved. Also. The bottom line is: There is no great mystery to metals refining and it is not hard.
treat with Ammonium chloride. you NEVER need to use Cyanides or hydrofluoric acid. There are a few more needed steps you are not told . This is nonsense. ++++++ Recovery is dangerous and shouldn't be attempted by an untrained individual though. The base metals also have value and will help you stay profitable. A Crucible and crucible furnace is all you need along with some borax and silica sand. HNO3). it is someone trying to find a new more complicated way to do it. April 24. However this is a teaser. Wha??? I don't know where to start on this one.. it isn't even a process for PGMs. April 30.. As an aside. For that matter.. in the library more than 30 years ago and use a search engine to find the modern terms for the archaic ones he uses (Although we still use "aqua regia"). It's no more dangerous than plating or finishing. Or read De Re Metallica. and then you have almost pure platinum and palladium. I don't plan on giving you a guide to how I make my living. there is no simpler. as I did. with cheap readily available chemicals. +++++++ The process to do so is known as carbochlorination and the simplified textbook definition of the process is as follows: . 2008 I too used to think like most of you until I talked to a gentleman who owns a bronze sculpture foundry. You should have the same level of knowledge and training needed for those. wash with HCl. but I do want to help stop people from doing "stupid human tricks" in the mistaken belief they are learning something. 2008 Reflux the honeycomb in aqua regia (HCl. safely if you build your own scrubbers.. (And the term reflux might confuse many). . You can get it easily and cheaply (free for electronics in most municipalities).If you can't understand that then you're out of luck. Why reinvent the wheel? Forget this manner completely. This is not the ordinary way to do it. There are safer substitutes. you can refine it at room temperature. You also don't have to use Nitric acid. I in turn found out the secret. without heat (or w/ slight solar) in plastic buckets and barrels. dry and heat to 500 C to remove impurities. you would need a much more aggressive flux and the metals won't drop anyway. strain the resulting solution and dispose of the ceramic.. So. There are other oxidizers. The best you will get is micro-beads embedded in flux. evaporate. I am also going to suggest that all of you get rich quick guys.. drop Cat Converters and concentrate on electronic scrap and low grade plated stuff. step by step method of doing this. Why would you use silica sand to flux an aluminosilicate? With the low temp of a bronze furnace. This actually will get you some PGMs. BTW the metals from fire refining will be nowhere near pure. There are many available online from the 1800s and early 1900s. just a process someone tried to adapt to PGMs. from this point on I am going to go over these posts from the start and add input. or for Cat Con substrate..and read them. but not all contained.
. Period. But he points you in the right direction. 2008 Carry out a large scale fire assay approach and add litharge to the flux mix This melt will take hours to drop the metals. In a jewelry melt it will not separate the silver or palladium. In a really bizarre case. June 13.. won't be pure enough for a plater) you will. July 22. Unless you have an end user (caster. Borax. July 14..I was thinking of using an electric kiln capable of 2300 F. platinum and palladium and saved a filtrate of silver chloride (and maybe some mercury and lead chloride). August 21. The reason you refine your metals is to separate them so you can't be beaten in an assay or weighing.. but simply highly purified metals.. July 4. You just told everyone to mix an acid with itself to extract. Silica flour. 2008 I am going to explain the easiest way to do this. there's the rub. Chuck was the smartest and closest poster yet. in the end. The lead fumes will get you an EPA summons. 2008 . you dumped the gold. commercial (technical) nitric will work very vigorously without adding water. Therefore your goal is not to produce absolutely pure metals. August 8..after you dissolve the platinum you can recover it by filtering out the acid through a coffee filter. depending on how you used your nitric.use a combination of these five chemicals Manganese Dioxide. then you will need hydrochloric acid. muriatic acid so you can mix them in the right amounts to make the acid that is needed to extract the metals. fluoride.. .. gold appears as a white powder on the filter Hope you didn't dump all that funny yellow green colored solution after you kept your "white powder on the filter". you might also have saved tin on the filter. However keep in mind that it can be extremely dangerous if you are not constantly paying attention. In most of these posts no one has examined the question of what to do with it once you have refined it... still be selling to a refiner. Melt ceramic in a ceramic pot? How about melting ice in a block of ice? Chemically pure nitric acid? What is that? Water makes the acid work? Trust me. . Electric kilns are not a good idea. dental lab. You will not get pure precious metals with fire refining. 2008 Perhaps the key to it is the flux's that Chuck uses! Any comments. Could you use these same chemicals when melting jewelry? This is for fire refining. If so. 2008 ... Fumes and smoke.here. He will take his cut.. I agree: you're no rocket scientist.where is this guy? The EPA will lock your ass up. . let's all just assume this guy is joking. and Sodium Nitrate to remove the impurities from the gold. along with a graphite crucible The crucible will not last long with those oxidizing fluxes and you will need an awful lot of flux. 2008 And by the way if your still wanting to try it all your selves. Chuck? Chuck's method as listed is claptrap.Where do you sell your gold when your done? Ah. People.
Gary Wilson . The metals in the exhaust are from your engine parts wearing and oxidizing and blowing past the rings via the oil. and have fun on your projects. The slag will be loaded with lead and illegal to dump except as a hazardous waste. 2008 The real reason. Nothing NEEDS to be melted until you are ready to make it into a bar. New York February 12. 2008 in this process we load pacol catalyst about 15 KG then add sodium cyanide From what I have seen from the posts here. platinum. 1 bottle of nitric plus table salt. aluminum. that was quite an exposition! Regards.. Examining the slag under a microscope. check this website for posts on testing the various metals. I also found the chemistry itself to be fascinating.. though. 2008 I need to find the device that is used to identify which precious metal I have acquired. November 21. 2009 Thanks. you will learn that gold. what do you do to recover the palladium? August 22. 2008 All must be MELTED (smelted)to a liquid or semi-liquid state in order to separate it from all other metals/minerals/waste. Good luck guys. For the other metals. set up safely. 1 bottle of nitric. and during the sulfuric acid treatment of the petroleum. NO ONE inquiring should ever touch cyanide. October 27. Get a test kit from a jewelers supply company. If you dissolve the lead and palladium. platinum. and a set of test needles. a test stone. This sounds like an Eco Urban Myth to me.You will spend more money on fuel and litharge than you will make in PGMs.. you will still see metal beads that didn't drop. silver. Do your research first. . Pyro-metallurgy is not the way for the small operator to go.Mount Vernon. are found in these fuels. and zinc are hard for me to identify unless I already know what it is. Gary. The metals in the fuels would be captured in the asphalt tailings left from distillation. Or get the test stone and the empty bottles and make your own.. Wrong. December 19. etc. that I am responding is if you check up about gas and other such fossil fuel emissions. I received a lot of enjoyment in refining by making little discoveries no one else had. as far as efficiencies and techniques. Hydro-metallurgy is. palladium. Some precious metals are obvious but.
and will cut into your profits significantly. Gary Wilson has made some excellent points.Medford. resulting in a certificate of analysis. separate the honeycomb. you will NOT get anywhere near top dollar. But. 4 nines purity. and so on. The methods that Chuck suggested in heating will probably work if you have a better understanding of this process than I do. Here is where economies of scale come in. Oregon March 4. The more valuable a metal is. This generally means getting a representative sample of your batch assayed. I appreciate the knowledge of others who are looking to recover platinum from cats. Right? Hello. Typically the prices that you find online for semi-precious and precious metals are for a specific grade . California March 27. The chemical process seems to be the best.e. or 99. New Jersey February 12. make your batch really big. Now even if you've spent the money to get your Pt assayed. 2009 EASY MONEY. but with my limited desire to play with extremely or mildly dangerous chemicals and also stay alive I will skip this. finishing.Ted Mooney. increased hazard and risk. .99% pure.com Brick. Going to an assay lab to get a single sample assayed is not cheap. Good luck to any one who wants to do this in their garage. one of which I will expand on: how to sell the metal once it's purified. I have also tried to smelt the gold from my cons using a furnace and flux. If your metal does not meet the grade. Scott Myers .g. 2009 i smelted my catalytic converter with a torch and got a silver metal of about the size of 4 quarters i was wondering what type of metal it is thanks yev yevgeniy ganchenko hobbyist. and your assay cost per kilo drops. I am not stupid nor a scientist. P.Sacramento. the more your potential buyer is going to expect you to prove the purity. who's going to buy it? Most of . I will get more for my time and less potential lose to my health. again more problems. with larger batches comes larger setup and equipment costs. I think if I cut the cats. 2009 The company I work for refines semi-precious metals to semiconductor grade (7 nines). I am going back to primitive for gold recovery and will let the professionals do their thing with the platinum. I have played with acids (hydrofluoric) and others and created more problems than I started with in the "simple" recovery of gold from rock.E.
you've never heard of PPE.shorinternational. . By the way.Glovertown NL Canada April 4.you don't know the difference between a gram and an ounce.you don't know the difference between HCl and muriatic acid. It would seem the obvious and safest way would be to salvage the converters and store the guts of them into a drum for resale at a later date.Ted 12044 :-) March 30. you will be able to sell your metal to someone out there. I plan to return . After reading this entire thread. . has anyone tried to zone refine Pt? Thanks. Al. 2009 Hi Ted. note: if you're looking for entertainment in the dialogs. would be to follow the advice of Dale R.you're just not listening. and won't cost yours or your family's health. . in my opinion. ( www.you don't know what a fume hood is. My question is. or brain surgery can be explained in a simplistic step-by-step fashion via a blog.com) if so what were you results? Thanks Glenn Glenn Burry . my advice to some of you is that you shouldn't bother trying to extract the Pt yourself if: . my all-time favorite is letter -. but leave the refining for someone else. I too am interested in refining Plat.you think there's some sort of conspiracy afoot simply because no one is telling you what you WANT to hear. . Ted. does anybody have any experience with the iShor system.British Columbia. The easiest money. 2009 . Yes. . It's cleaner.you think a complex process such as Pt-extraction. easier.the companies we deal with cannot buy from just anyone . for the informative site. Concentrate the Pt. In fact they're trying to tell you what you NEED to hear . but if you don't have access to the customers who can and will pay top dollar.hopefully I'll find an equally entertaining thread to read! Al E . I have read through this entire thread as some others have.you have to be a qualified supplier or have a quality management system in place (in other words ISO certification). you won't likely get top dollar. Canada ---Ed.
He used a calculator to reduce the weights to actual gold content. from Karat percentages. to filters. etc. While working this morning I constantly got sidetracked searching for gold ounce. That simple. I even spent a good ten minutes a good ten minutes on Tantalum. I was hooked. then told the man that if he left the offer would be void. On Friday. At that point. based on karats of course. he once used a very expensive looking specific gravity machine because he wasn't sure about a piece. a router. car. computers being my own acquired skill. sometimes on the PCBs. potentially wasting a beautiful Saturday afternoon. sell amounts based over spot. to Kitco. if there were other items in the weight (stones. he stone tested it with acids. but a necessity for something else. to flame assay. 486s are good. to other acids. He sold the gold. That's the business. The seller sat in a chair for a full 30 minutes! He made a few calls on his cell. the gold is in the contacts. from contracts to futures. he had the gold packed up. With no malice at all. That lead me to extraction. While there. etc. Pentiums not so much. I installed the equipment. A "gold buyer" bought two laptops.) The customer would either accept the price. I left with him at the end of the day.This has been fascinating! I work on computer systems for small offices. a watch movement). He said those types of things come back to you.). watches. had trouble moving. I witnessed at least six transactions with actual customers. bullion. price of gold. (He paid one woman more than 70%. ambiance. it seemed as though he is no longer working out of a necessity for money. then he quoted a price. He was an old man. up until this moment. coins. to the . because of low corrosion. and wireless printer from me last week for his new location. the old man said no. He weighed the material (necklaces. from bullion and bars to coins and jewelry. He literally begged to be able to leave and check a few places. or other factors. glued to the laptop. Judging by the equipment. from Platinum to Gold to Silver to Rhodium to Palladium. I must admit. junk. because she had a sick child with her. the discovery of Pt. to Monex. and it's heavier than Pt!!! :) Of course I then ended up at "retrieving gold from computer parts". from buy amounts based on spot. depending on quality. The old man made an offer. One customer had a 135 grams between a bracelet and a watch. to what might be in Grandma's drawer. etc. From eBay. Did you prospectors know this is used in cell phone capacitors. deny it. I was interested. or they might haggle for a few minutes. upped it by $100 once. or spread the word to others. kept others. and said that he was driving over to his dealer. to grams to ounces. to sell at 90% of spot. I read about alchemy. I have spent the last five hours of my life. to aqua regia. etc. repeatedly. From breaking up the parts first. in the processors. and help him set up a simple Excel spreadsheet for the weight/karat/price calculations. based on 55% to 70% of spot. rejected some. from refiners to traders to storage facilities. and they shook hands with an air of respect. whether the customer might come back.
To quote another poster "quite an unusual an interesting corner of the internet".philosopher's stone. and. graphic and sound files. based on sales and networking. then extracted. I attempted to talk about languages. Then to American. With hopeful eyes he asked "How can I make a game like Warcraft?" He looks up to me as knowledgeable. to his credit. or just have. recast. he loves computers like me. I was speechless. . He reminded me of myself when I was his age. a few weeks ago. What? Catalytic Converters? This of course led me to junkyards. I love Ted's well mannered and well thought out mediations. Eventually. based on a limited skill set. but I didn't have the time to teach. I came across cats. 60s. industry articles. They were stored on a shelf for ten years. so the Nazis wouldn't steal them. People whose work is repetitive. or based prior family success just don't seem understand this. and presented again after WWII. acquired skill sets. That's how I found this site in my searches. And I never post. The basic frustration of not JUST BEING TOLD HOW. he couldn't sit at a computer and even start. automotive sites. The alchemists were great. Did you know that the Nobel peace prizes for two Danes were dissolved in Aqua Regia. was the surprise of the day. understand this. is an understood human condition. He had his home computer hooked up. who is the son of one of my clients. after markets no good. based on brute force or labor. I have never spent this much time reading a forum. even 90s are good. I started to feel bad. even amongst all this great information. and my work was done. I figured if I opened this can of worms. others have not. I was asked the last question several months ago by a young 14 year old boy. Somewhere in the mix of gold extraction. they were getting more insightful. reports of thefts. (spring break. but not as good after that. Some people have taken the time to acquire them. I found myself at the client's office at 3 pm on a Saturday. You can't ask the questions: How do I trade futures? How do I open a bank? How do I transplant a heart? How do I program a computer? etc. But still. The barrage of questions never ended. Which. multiple skill sets required. Foreign. it might never end. pre-cors also have value. Acquired skill sets are a unique tool. The son was there. I would see this young man every couple of weeks. People who earn. Not ever in recent memory. 70s.
read some more. a few scrapes on my knuckles and forearms. In the meantime. is far more valuable. His father said he hasn't left the computer since! I'm sure we'll have another session. We downloaded Paint Shop Pro. and trailed off the screen. After reading for a couple of weekends. There was a small laser sound that the kid made into the microphone below the monitor. He did it all. It's like a small bank account. I would then humble myself.). I never touched the keyboard. I taught. etc. I'd rather spend a couple weekends learning. maybe a good vise. and a trial copy of Visual Studio. that was played when the bullet fired. It felt great. filters. and I can't wait to see what he's come up with. upset the girlfriend. from the last position of the image. Guys and Gals. The skill acquired if actually successful. I would fail miserably. recorded with Goldwave and incorporated into Visual Studio. and maybe finishing up with beers and pizzas. contributing. I just might buy a couple books on hydro-metallugry. but a small price to pay when put in perspective. and set up a table in the driveway. Just keep them for a minute. That is the most profitable position in the supply chain that you can put yourself in with the lowest risk and knowledge. is to buy them right. This is not a discipline that will net you profit in the short term. As with my friend above. if only you were local. whether you actually end up with enough to be profitable is almost moot. bowls. real estate is tough right now). I don't necessarily want you to tell. do some more searches. I imagine I can figure this out with experimentation. strip the core yourself (I am a fairly well acquainted with light contracting and auto repair. etc. My conclusion from today is that the best method of profiting from cats. and a small bullet that fired when the space bar was pushed. and the true point of the journey. To those of you here that have such skills. pick up an old kitchen hood for sure. I'd probably be able to extract a small globule. I would venture outside and try to extract from a core. that is often considered the ceremonial start of every programmer's career. and collect the honeycomb/beads. Even the academic license is over $300. The Pt is the reward. so I sat down. contact a refiner.and he had to go into the office with his dad everyday. For those that aren't acquainted. you should have seen the look on this kid's face. This would be at the end of what would have become an . socializing. I might spend a couple hundred on buckets. Three hours later he had a still picture of a little man. I started him off with a one-button form. If you've got a hundred or so. watching. moving around the screen at the command of the arrow keys. I had some time. end up with something I don't know what to do with. After three to six months. maybe make a few posts. 1 to 3 weekends a month. a couple higher grade saw blades. acids. The only casualty is that Dad will probably have to buy the full version of Visual Studio. that gives the human motivation to develop skill. that when pushed prints "Hello World!". of less than 1 gram of Pt. Goldwave (for sound). it is the enticement of reward.
attentive. read more. etc.Louisville. I will have acquired some very valuable.. just to use it in a weekend to make a buck. and creates responsibility. "Give me a chopper pilot program Tank!" But trust me. SKILL. and acquiring skill over time. you have to put in the time. 2 Lexus LS400). it won't be as much fun. You can't cheapen the knowledge acquired by great scientists. I think I'll find that if I just sold my cores I would have made enough money. the difference wouldn't justify the TOTAL labor. and EXPERIENCE. the learning tempers the spirit. Jason Jegge buyer . programming. gold plated jewelry. unless I chose this as a new. it's just that it doesn't work that way. Perhaps one day the Matrix programming disks will be available. and very satisfying KNOWLEDGE. No matter what. S. But. Ross Lerner . The old man knows gold and jewelry. time-consuming process. the amount recovered might justify my streamlined process.. combs. and people! I know small office computers. I would be able to justify the labor and materials required for the profit. It has to be acquired.eight to fifteen step tedious. and patient men.San Jose. Some of the people on this forum know metallurgy. Ted. try more variations. 2009 I have honeycomb material from several used converters. time and materials. I hope I have accomplished my goal. computer boards. We only have time for so many. After another three to six months.EUREKA!!!! It would feel great! I'd be damn proud of my little gram of Pt! I'd step up my efforts. I have attempted to address a theme that is central to this thread. Kentucky April 6. and is there a typical amount expected (1 Honda. It is quite the reverse. That's how acquired skill works. six to nine months total. There is just as much joy in And more importantly. Where can I have it sent for processing. hard workers. gold filled jewelry.. I would have a reasonable set of beginner hydro-metallurgy skills. In the end. deliberate. California . but I really hope you include this. the man will make himself wealthy. permanent endeavor. (or woman) PLENTY of wonderful women in science. acquired skill.. I'd spend even more time on this. It would be able to consistently extract metal from beads. I know you have a position against ad hominem posts. It's not that people don't want to tell you. over time. At that point. By being patient. and networking. But. to train the mind.
2009 I have found the perfect.April 18. Alonso Borrero hobbyist . I wonder how expensive will it be. Get the neighborhood kids over to the house and tell them the cat is a pinada. but also and just as important is the freedom of information point I'd like to share. reasonably cheap means to extract the Precious Metals from the Cat. Atlantico.newton North Carolina May 13. If they are disappointed that there was no candy tell then the next Cat you are going to hang has the candy. Colombia April 30. thanks bec becky wilhelm car business . to have your own arc-furnace? Can this be done in your backyard? Thank you. maybe I've been breathing too many cc fumes but it is close and has a lot of the elements. 2009 Hi. look pretty thoroughly I eventually found a site that says one probably could sell the cc if replacing so then I decided to look up selling cc and found this. you should smelt the whole "catcon" in an electric arc-furnace with scrap steel. Repeat these steps until all precious metals have been retrieved.Barranquilla. 2009 i have read all of the forums but I have yet to understand where do you sell them !!!! i live in NC and i am still trying to understand who do i sell to a refinery or a recycler. After reading this though I have a real practical question. Once the cat has been ruptured tell them to pick up all the metal that falls out and place in the bucket for recovery. granulate the new alloy. Will it be possible to recover pgm's from catalytic converters? I've read that. Best to all Bob Bayle government . Virginia May 5.I was actually looking up information for symptoms of a clogged catalytic converter (cc) & since I usu. Provide each kid with a steel bar and have them take turns beating on the cat. dissolve with sulfuric acid and the precious metals will be left behind. If you have a yard with a tree cast a rope around a heavy branch and tie up the cat. After many months of experimenting with acids I have finally recovered some gold from electronic scrap. I see it basically at present like this: if looking in the long term no ones goals really contradict unless they are destructive what I mean is that if you are a small business person (who I admire) you might want to have your work trademarked.Springfield. which after page one I was hoping the pages wouldn't go too fast but now I have to get back to my original task of troubleshooting my car but have been sucked into this post this is to me a microcosm of everything people have been discussing since Plato and beyond. 2009 Hello and here's my 2 cents (which if smelted or melted or schmelted is not as much as two cents from a century ago but I digress) . patented or copyrighted etc for a time being to enjoy the fruits of your labor and opt .
Florida July 10. Think of it this . you would know it if you seen it. There is a not so intelligent person who works with said family member who has been able to refine and extract such metals. what are you going to do . unless you have the equipment to do around 1200 converters at one time it is not worth it. have been a little knowledge hungry and may bite the hand that feeds however most are not. and tools used for separating metals..full free information always (in the long term maybe not the short) has unanimous good results and do not contradict each other that is why a country like the USA has prospered and why secretive ones stay stagnant and dark but I am looking at things in decades not days .. From what I've read I think that using a HHO gas torch may be a good way to get those high temperatures in a safe way what does anyone think? You can look up easily HHO torches they get really hot and cool really fast and they are real just like oxy or butane the flame itself is only 259 F but when in contact with other metals can get up to 10. just look at the examples of software and computer viruses etc open source is a good thing and hiding information is actually more destructive and is only a mirage of safety which is actually more destructive. All that said I do understand the market and patents etc so it is up to the individual of course and information cannot be forced to be shared and people should have incentive however we all could be driving hydro cars and be energy independent and have other newer and unknown issues yet to be discovered if we were more long term seers.we have to expose the weaknesses so we can brainstorm not hide them. chemically or by heat you are looking into getting into a lot of money. If you have ever seen this mans garage. Thomas Key . in their own way and it is informative I mean I don't expect anyone to actually hand me a free cc now.it would be basic 6th grade or 3rd grade science and we'd probably be exploring for platinum on other star systems because if the new learner always got to learn from all the mistakes from the teacher (I'll say) then their time could be cut and they would have new mistakes not yet made to learn from and so on. 2009 My brother-in-law works in such a refinery. Ted you are doing a good job and I also have enjoyed your thoughtful approach. also I may be a good golfer and share secrets but you'll still never get it till you practice anyways so I would really have no fear in sharing those but I guess we can all agree to disagree and any experience with HHO gas torches to extract metals.000 degrees and more. Some .Sarasota.not a lot. and he claims that for the trouble it is worth. and the money they make is also going to the benefit of the economy and who knows potentially but it does require the teacher to be an anode to the cathode but they wouldn't mind so much if they also got to learn from others that made their steps easier and like I said it in the long run I think is always better. I must add. well they might be the ones who might be more interested so they would know they might be more of a victim Taking that post down I think is just conceding to that fear in the back of our minds of trying to please everybody . but you go into buying some of the materials. converters have came up in conversation. it's laid out pretty straightforward here.I understand that.lead by example like Ted . also the other side of the coin (I did say my two cents lol) if people from a young age and all through history shared information and it was accessible to everyone we may not even be having this discussion . and another example goes to taking off the posts which displayed what cars have better value for their cc so they are not as much of victims. and I have to hand it to you guys. Most people would not know it. Anyway. it looks like a ghetto factory.and a lot of people have shared a lot of information.
Not all metals work that way. anyone could do it with enough effort. You spent one weekend looking up the terms and chemicals and understanding the process. And I am sure you 3 know who you are.1500 degrees would not just turn these metals directly to liquid? These are not lead fishing weights people. and it seems like everyone that was there at the time came to the same conclusion. at this point your just wanting a grown child's chem lab in your back yard. maybe around 1.way. your going to have even more tied up into it it when someone finds out what your doing because of the danger that your putting other stuff in. you can see them especially good at night. ever seen a clogged converter? They get red hot under a car. LSD.000 dollars for the basic materials and equipment.. If it was so cost effective to do it in such small amounts. not to mention that you have to have a safe place to set up said refinery. I am only a 29 year old Well Driller... The weekend after that you will most likely end up with your substance in pure form. if you really think you have all of the money to get into something like this from a dead start.Fayetteville. possibly even everyone around you. These were step by step instructions and I guess that the chemistry and knowledge involved is way more complicated than purifying metals out of catalysts.000 payout for your customers that you will be having to buy said converters from.. right? I am now moving on to find the Candlestick TNT blog I was speaking of earlier.. The trouble that our friend had was that there is no one who is respectively going to buy said metals from a person. No knowledge required. If smelting in a pot would separate the metals. Around my area everyone swears to the idea that you can use a smelting pot to separate the metals in a converter. some of this stuff can get dangerous. it would seem that every town would have 15 or so of the places. 2009 There used to be instructions online spanning over several pages on how to synthesize illicit drugs. Don't seem to much harder then flipping a burger.. and I know a clown walking across a yard with a stick swearing there is water under a patch of dry sand when I see one. amphetamines. Joel Langford . no qualification. Please use your head for something more then a hat rack people. So far on this whole thread I think I have only seen about 3 people that remotely know what they are talking about. North Carolina July 13. do you really think that exhaust at like 900 . Please for your safety and the those around you. the other weekend you will be preparing and organizing the equipment and the most difficult part will be to actually obtain the chemicals. Next thing I know I am going to see one of the names from this thread swearing they can make sticks of TNT from a candle and gunpowder with chewing gum. MDMA. We joked about it at his house over a few " select beverages ". who not only does not know what they have.. but also would not be a constant resource for them to rely on for buying said materials. etc. then be our guest you already have enough money to not really need to extract the precious metals. we will say 15. the correct value of what they have. and techniques used to extract said metals would not really be cost effective unless you had a bunch of them to do at one time ( kind of hints to why they have giant refinery places to do such things ). DO NOT try using chemicals that you don't understand. . especially with no knowledge.
The honeycomb had to be cracked to come out but it came out with the platinum flakes.. when I could. with the right combination of chemicals and temperature the pgms get get pulled out onto carbon plates. and whether or not it would be possible to render the ceramics containing these metals into a powder form to use as a mix in a firing glaze for pottery. and am only now venturing into the new world of three-dimensional earthen-ware art.Earlham. Ross Lerner's wonderful contribution. the site's supporting advertisers must be running out of patience being asked to pay the costs of posting other people's ads :-) July 16..). . As said before. Dustin B . really.. Germany July 13.Murfreesboro. It's somewhat a pity. . kiln and iron pot shall suffice.Talbott. every word. grinder.. Tennessee July 13.The problem will never be to actually do it. and S. If you are trying to sell this knowledge. Tennessee ..Berlin. please take an advertisement . a straight and simple instruction would devalue the skills and knowledge required to write it. please tell us what the right temperature and combination of chemicals is. It will be an interesting experiment. I have ground my own pigments for my paints for forty years.. I simply want to thank you for your patience and learned knowledge. that first sculpture. But after reading the entire post (yes. 2009 I was going to ask a simple question about the CONTENT of precious metals in "cats". Tim Mooney Timothy Mooney . My hammer.. Iowa ---Ed. but how to get there. 2009 I put a hole in a catalytic converter I found while picking up trash(honestly). note: If you do not consider it secret knowledge. Dustin.. Other than taking a tweezer to it is there any other way to separate it? Terrance Miller . 2009 I have a machine that extracts the pgm's from catalytic converters and it is not the easiest to do It takes a lot of time a nice facility to work in but if you seen the machine you would laugh and call me a liar. My only problem is a lot of the honeycomb broke in pieces as fine as the platinum flakes. Andreas Borchert . its just PVC tubs and clear 3/4 inch hose with a battery charger [link is to product info at Amazon] and a small pump.
HCl is relatively easy to make by electrolysis of Salt water.Bloomington. Steven Smith . Eljon Ago hobbyist . 2009 Ordering the chemicals is not so difficult. God bless..Red Bluff. 2009 This is what I would do. what is the process of extracting platinum from catalytic converters that have been discussed thus far. Makes sense!!! Hey what are the other safer oxidizing agents you are talking about..New York. or do you just melt it down? What seems best? February 5. Indiana August 14. Just collect Cl gas at one end and H gas at the other (cathode or anode. Hydro-metallurgy is".July 28. I forget). 2009 I'm interested in recycling catalytic converters. I was also looking into the possibility of making my own chemicals when reaching a large scale operation. I received a follow-up phone call and I just told them that I was using the chemicals to extract platinum from catalytic converters. gold and platinum can be dissolved in aqua regia. New York August 3. I checked Wikipedia and it's a 3 step process. If in case the platinum is infused or trapped in the other materials of the cat. then I would pulverize . California July 30. Are there any other solvents able to dissolve these noble metals? Also. 2009--"Pyro-metallurgy is not the way for the small operator to go. Those 3 should cover the aqua regia. This is theoretical though. Castor Marconi . I would put it in a furnace for melting metals and I would leave it in there until all the platinum has melted off and dripped into a place where it could collect. mix with a small amount of water (in a glass container of course) and you should get it at the 37% concentration.I am kind of stuck because i am not sure what price is good for each catalytic converter. My question is: How is the price of converters defined? I would appreciate any help. Do you oxidize and dissolve the metal and then reduce it somehow and collect it that way. HNO3 is harder to manufacture though. 2009 So.
Sac. Simple.000+ so at that price a manufacturer can afford to spend a little money to manufacture a cat that will last and be efficient.. I would guess people on here want a list of vehicles so they can go out tonight with a hack saw.. Bretto from the Ghetto. its AFTERMARKET. i must say that some people just lack common sense. Top marks to Ted for keeping this forum on a level footing. happy reclamations xxx Brett Ross . Now a new truck sells for around $35. All you guys just take a tip from me. Now lets look at the vehicle. It all gets melted. When a car is sold new it must pass omission regulations set by the government. I think that it doesn't take any more than a little commons sense to get the platinum. California September 3... and listen to Ted. a large US made truck with a 6L engine will emit more o2 into the atmosphere than a small Honda with a 1. why can we buy a cat for $60 when they are worth more. The value is determined by how much the cat would usually contain. Now for the scrap value. 2009 I was in scrap metal recycling/reclamation years ago as a family business in the UK and cats were not around then but I know from experience how costly it is to extract these metals. Just heat will not suffice for the separation of materials. I think it highly unlikely that a torch would melt any of these materials. Steel and ceramic have a much lower melting point. Ray Soriano . and only recently have started looking at metal prices again.the material first to allow the platinum to melt freely into a high heat resistant container. These catalytic converters contain little to no precious metals. Cats do contain a few precious metals as we have learned here. ZenTed as I will call him! I have never been so deeply engrossed with a forum in the 12 years I have been with internet! I gave up metals in the 1980s to follow my other preoccupation of music composition.6 L and the cat will need to refine the exhausted fumes in larger portion. UK September 15. As Ted stated a few months back. The amount of . 2009 After reading some of the responses on the site.Hastings.. Over time the metals do come out of the exhaust and onto the road. I feel there a few people here that lack the understanding of how a cat works and why. Maybe you might have to comply to laws about not releasing fumes into the atmosphere or something. aftermarket converters are not regulated. figure that out then ask the questions.. Now look at rhodium that melts at 3567 F and Platinum somewhere around 3215 F. right? Find out if there are any laws to abide by in melting it.
I have an 02 Silverado and it has 2 cats rather than the 1 cat in older vehicles. the 2 oz cat would probably net you $800 at a scrap yard. they are light weight and untraceable. Crawling under a vehicle. it takes a good half hour. think of the effort involved! Have you ever tried to crawl under a car with a hack saw and cut the 3" steel pipe? It doesn't take minutes. Top dollar is around $100 . you can spend an hour under there without the risk of getting noticed.ebay) 2)1 part biscuit(wt) 1 part HNO3 (vol) 3 parts HCL (vol) 3)Room temp 3 to 7 days until max colour in AR and biscuit white. Its no secret that older GM cats (about the size of a muffler) can get you top dollar at a scrap dealer. Virginia September 19. Rh) from catalytic converters. Nathan Bastings . Another thing to think about is now scrap dealers want a title to the vehicle it came off of and an ID before they will buy a converter. a sawzall will get it done quickly but is VERY noisy. it is illegal to sell a used cat. 2009 Easy Peasy Tame Aqua regia extraction of PGM blacks (Pd. The reason for the theft is because its a high and easy return and low risk. Then you take your cats to a dealer and its quick cash. Oh and o2 sensors contain the precious metals as well!! But you need about 50 pounds of them to make a reasonable amount of money off of them. It is also illegal to sell a vehicle without a cat and most of the time a dealer wont take a trade on one without it. This isn't a lucrative business and more for the person who lives off $100 a week. Why?? more power and better fuel economy (and it makes it louder too!). This means that my 2 cats contain less metals together than 1 of the older and larger ones.$150.Norfolk. Hope this helps to enlighten some of the "lets get rich quick" people on here and shows its not smart to try to steal them. an AFTERMARKET cat will get you a whopping $2-$5!! Ford usually $40-$60 and Dodge around $30-$60. 1) Roast ground biscuit at 500 C in old kiln ($100 US . Cats contain a FRACTION OF AN OUNCE of precious metals which lightly coats its ceramic contents (honeycomb or beads). The older trucks did not have 02 sensors so the first thing a truck owner did for a modification was remove the cat that restricted airflow. Everyone has to make a profit in the process so you will never get the $3600 out of it unless you have the pure metal in your hand... The you will find that most of the older GM trucks have the cat removed already and a straight pipe in place. Before we all rush out and start hacking cats off our neighborhood cars.precious metals is very little and whoever on here said there is as much as 2 oz of metal needs to show me those cats! at somewhere around $1800 an ounce scrap.Use ceramic bakery bowl . Pt. scrap dealers and "car guys" have known cats are worth something so why is this so new to everyone else? And for the idiot on here that said he wanted to resell them.
Note 2. 15) A number of extraction can be carried out simultaneously.Palmerston Nth. I find the the PGM blacks can be more rapidly settled onto the bottom of .its like drilling into butter.Mortar 13 inch dia pipe 12 inch high welded onto a square iron base.121 vol.Leave overnight and a lot of excess Zn will dissolve. 11) Decant and transfer PGM blacks plus some Zn to 2 l beaker (ebay $10 US approx) 12)Add 1 liter 2N HCL. many high mileage cats only contain a gram of PGM blacks. Bob Keen Retired Principal Scientist(NZDRI) Palmerston Nth New Zealand. Gold requires AR for dissolution but nanoparticles will dissolve in 2N HCL (Papers by Dr. I decan cat cons within 10 min. ebay refers to New Zealands Trademe which is virtually equivalent.5 approx or until orange brown ppt dissolves leaving a black sediment. Bob Keen . 8)Neutralise to pH 2. cons. Chris Anderson Massey University NZ) therefore it is not unreasonable to find that AR will dissolve the PGM nanoparticles in cat. 6) Leave over night for sediment to settle 7) Decant into 20l plastic bucket. I currently get paid $60 NZ after a $150 NZ analysis is carried out in Hong Kong. you need to know your cats. from local hardware store $12 US for card of 3) . made in china. Stir 2X daily ceramic spoon (ebay $6 US) 4)Stir in urea to neutralize HNO3 (until fizzing stops) 5) Pour all in 20l tall narrow plastic pail & make up to 121 approx with rain water. Huge volumes of very toxic gas are released which strip all leaves off nearby vegetation and will kill nearby caged animals. 16) Find a precious metal dealer who will buy PGM blacks.Pestal a 51/2 foot 1 inch dia iron rod welded to a 81/2 inch long 21/2 inch dia iron rod . No fumes released. Stir ceramic spoon. Note 3. Note 5. 13) Wash twice and decant with rain water. Best of luck to those that try this method. Step 3 can be carried out in a crock pot at simmer temp over 4 . 10)Acidify to pH 1.local discount shop $2.30 min. It is not a rag to riches method of making money.Using a long stout screw driver & hammer as lever & chisel I can quickly break biscuit up and empty out the pieces. 3 rounded teaspoons (1 kg biscuit originally used)added slowly with stirring over 15 . New Zealand Addendum to Easy Peasy AR method PGM blacks are weakly paramagnetic. I drill a dozen or so holes with a 12 mm x 400 mm masonry drill (made in China. Note 6. stir until evolution of H2 ceases and then leave over night. Cover glass plate.wt 19 lb.5 h. Wash residue with more water & decant when clear into following batch. Continue to stir off & on for a further 30 min. Note 4. Note 1.dry in oven.If a blockage I ram through the handle of my 19 lb pestal which clears the blockage instantly.5 US. carefully pour off excess water.5 approx with soda ash (Na2CO3)( little pH meter off ebay $20 US) 9) Add Zinc Pdr ( from ebay). 14)Transfer small beaker. It only takes 10 min to grind in my mortar & pestal.
new/better equipment the backyard scrap dealer could expand... Steve Cerny . AND pass an IQ test. would it be easier to dump the beads/flakes into a gallon glass jar of electrolyte.. Maybe a contribution.. a Copper anode (I guess). Of course. medical (things). like • Control of electrolyte formulation and pH (a measure of acidity or alkalinity) • Control of electrical conditions • Control of temperature And a bunch of warnings like "don't drink the electrolyte". Or stay small. 2009 Very interesting! Took a while to read.. even small (or large) pure Platinum cathodes. The how-to with photos and directions could be put into a PDF file. add a (small) pure Platinum cathode. and now it's hard to find.. the chance of blowing yourself up.. September 24. diversify. some knowledge. There used to be a book from Lindsey's by Carr (I think). airplane.so i gathered all the material and got a 5 gal bucket and put a window screen over it and placed the material on the . After some profit. large ceramic magnet under the bottom of the holding vessel. 2009 is there a way i can "cook" the platinum out at home and how hot would the heat have to be.i extract the platinum for making jewelry.. and make more of a profit by producing electroplated auto.. I bought a very large ceramic magnet off ebay for $8. "don't touch the electrode thingys to your tongue to see if the battery still has a charge". At the risk of sounding stupid (and not wanting to start a new thread). and hook them up to a controller/battery/solar panel? I know there would still be chemicals.once i got through i found a strange honey comb and a paper like substance that was full of tiny pieces of platinum. Great site! "I'll be back". jewelry. I never bought it. uh. etc. 2009 getting platinum is so easy. but I'm finally at the end. it would have to have all the "secrets".. Just my 4:01 AM thoughts after reading these 4 pages. but it could be small scale and a small investment. james carlon .all i did was use a saw to cut through the metal.hillsborough... Oklahoma October 13.00 US. and for some.the plastic pails and beakers by placing a very strong. I've always wondered about this.. fumes.Oklahoma City... and available to those who make a contribution to the site... North Carolina September 27.
now i had a dry powder with the metal..000 degrees to melt.screen over the bucket....not many people have a cutting torch in trier garage.then i let the water settle and allowed the sift to fall to the bottom.and u cant just use a pencil torch to melt it.i collected it and used a torch to burn the paper away now I'm not sure what the paper is so i wore a mask to protect myself i suggest u do the same.i don't know why people want to make it some big secret. 2009 Hi. Andrew Gould .and used a garden hose to wash the paper and platinum off the honey comb.now here is the hard part.. Andrew..anyway I've done this process many times with success. Many years ago (1981)....but u can buy them for a couple hundred bucks or find someone who has one.mudgee Australia nsw October 27.. hi. So whatever stuff you found that was elsewhere but not in the .and discarded the honey comb.leaving only tiny pieces of platinum left... so I am unfamiliar with the beads I hear of today..but the only problem is that since i wanted to melt the platinum down for making jewelry i had to obviously melt it... But in those days the ceramic honeycombs and only the honeycombs were dipped into the precious metal slurry.it took like 20 min to get all the water out... and I can't comment on whether the beads contain precious metals or not.once it did i just slowly poured the water out of the bucket but once the water level got too low that the metal and stuff wanted to pour out too all i did was take a cloth rag and used it to absorb the water....but the paper still held some moisture so i just set the bucket in the sun and let it dry it the rest of the way.... In those days they did not use any "beads"....... 2009 hey guys u don't have 2 be a genius to get the platinum out of the catalytic converters i wanted my car loud so i decided 2 punch the ceramic honey comb out of the converter using a hammer and a flat blade screw driver go 2 town on it then i found the platinum in a cloth like material get rid of the honey comb no platinum in that keep the cloth i used a fly screen n a container using water i sifted it in a container like a gold panner would have fun any 1 can do i got heaps of platinum :) mark horizon .. and spent a fair amount of time there.i had to use a cutting or also known as a blow torch used for melting steel to do it.kannapolis NC cabarrus county October 27.. I was involved in building the machinery for a catalytic convertor factory..... Mark...so it takes about 3.but platinum has a high tolerance for heat....so once i turned the paper to ashes i simply used my breath to blow the ashes away....
.sneads ferry. and will have to be able to measure your efforts and not just wonder if it's working or not. want to go farther? with each step of the process you are concentrating. the rest of you . today's prices. you can then get a professional assay and try to sell to a mine or mill that is currently dealing with platinum. plastic... waste and byproducts... and from what I have seen here. start collecting all items with pgms .com Brick.. North Carolina November 20. not bombs. just removing the case is concentrating the values (PGMS) You have removed about 5 to 10 lbs of Iron. (its not any harder than making a gas oil mix for the chainsaw. there are dangers with this. and can now sell your ceramic containing PGMS at a much higher price. figure out how you're going to deal with fumes. finishing. for very detailed info look up the (gold refiners forum) on line. I use air..honeycomb doesn't sound like the precious metals to me :-) Those 'heaps of platinum' may be piles of soot :-( Regards. Michael. like copper... Ted Mooney. have a good day Michael kelly . if you mix the wrong 2 things you will get a high explosive that's unstable. 2009 is the platinum and palladium in the honeycomb or is it the dust and charcoal like substance that comes out of convertor when you extract inside contents of the convertor thanks a lot. ( no not telling) you're all here to learn about cats. I've developed a safe device that will greatly concentrate any mineral matrix containing PGMS. not good enough for you. do the research.. P. 2009 after a lot of reading in other places pt per cat runs about 1 to 5 grams each. a few of you might want to be very afraid of this stuff. good luck BRYAN BRYAN SMITH .aurora Colorado . that's 40 to 200 $ in platinum alone at full value.) .Oops letting my opinions show. what. My advice to every one is read every thing... water and a few biodegradable chems and naturals.E. iron. they have plenty of experts there that can help most of you do this as a hobby scale project. New Jersey November 11. I done some electronic scrap and there are some things you will need to be careful with.
we shouldn't have ever done this kind of thing. California November 28. which burned through. And the undercutting goes on and on until there's no profit left. I look around at my competitors and they're selling the same coat for $50 per. Cats have different amounts of pgm's depending on the manufacturer. 2009 well me and my friends went out and got some Cats. 2009 The first step in the process is to remove the comb. New Mexico . as are ford and Chrysler. Do not crush the comb up just chunk it into inch or so pieces. We then tried to extract the metals by using the crucible method that was written on here. You are now ready to do an assay on the material to get an idea as to how much pgm you can expect from your batch (30 cats is a pretty good batch) To do a ball assay you need a small furnace some crucibles etc. try not to get any metal filings into the comb material. 2009 TO BREAK DOWN A CATALYTIC CONVERTOR YOU FIRST TAKE THE COMBING AND BREAK IT DOWN IN SULFURIC ACID THE PLATINUM WILL SETTLE TO THE BOTTOM SHAKE A FEW TIMES WHEN DISSOLVED AND LET SETTLE THEN YOU HEAT THEN A MIXTURE OF MURIATIC ACID AND HYDROCHLORIC ACID MIXED TO EAT THE BASE METALS AND LEAVE THE PLATINUM ONLY THE MELT CAST AND SERVE DEREM MCCOLLUM . the garage set on fire. which caused so much smoke all we could do was run. the next step is to remove as much carbon as possible from the material by heating to RED hot then blowing oxygen on the material before it cools. So what do I do? I can sell my coats for $50 and take a portion of his sales or undercut his price and sell more but make less profit. You NEED to do the assay or you will not have any idea when to stop the extraction process. There are ways to extract that are so safe you don't even need a mask and then there are ways that are so dangerous that it's like being in a gas chamber.November 28.Anaheim. I'm not going to write the rest of the process nor will anyone who knows how to do it and I'll tell you why. don't even try them. GM. it started smoking very quick and then popped really loudly.The ball assay will tell you how much pgm to expect per pound of comb. Lets say I'm in the coat business and I get a wicked buy on coats at $10 per. and he has a scar on his face now. my friend went to the hospital and had to have stitches. josh slocomb . little drops of fire went all over the garage and my friend caught one on the side of his face.deming.All Asians. Tom Jamison .MONROE LOUISIANA December 2. Aftermarkets are junk. we brought a hose in and sprayed. and euro(except VW) have hi pgm content.
On that program they told that a 55 gal barrel with app 400 lbs of catalysts would net $24.5x50= $375 minus the cost of shipping.S thing . They are worth a lot more than buyers make out that they are. that's $10. Yep I know that was stupid.. and what they were used for.5 . I have been researching this for a long time. I am not attempting to concentrate any thing from the cats I collect. if you can get 40 of the after market cats .I. The History channel recently had a program on acids. but no he sold them anyway. and buy from any one that wants to sell a cat. One of the acids was Aqua Regia. December 21. making a after market cat worth $8. I suggest we pool our collection. sdmines. I tried to convince him not to sell.000 If you have that much cash you can do the math and will know what to do next. I have found it to be one of the best kept trade secrets. I can sell to any one that wants to buy a cat. After saying all that don't do this with any other cats unless you can get 200 to 300 cats at an average price of $50 each.S. note: that website is not loading for us.37 an hr the real trick is getting the 40 cats. Virginia ---Ed.edu/sdsmt/SiteID=199458 Dennis King .. if you don't then be sure to keep the ceramic honey comb in the can and sell them for more than you bought them for.sdsmt. it is the K. In my calculation what he sold brought someone down the line in the neighborhood of $60.December 5.000. That way we can cut out the middle man.00. The answer to some of your questions. and the cost of the 40 cats was 4x40=$160 don't forget to recycle the iron maybe about $10 experience says it takes 1 hr to go to some place to get a cat and get back home 40 cats =40 hrs 374 divided by 40 is $9.Ararat. and shipping. make your price list 30% less than what you can sell them for and you may make 30%. 2009 My advice to all of you that have old Catalytic Converters. how ever since an aftermarket cat goes for $4 and it has 1.2 pounds of ceramic honey comb in it and that sells for $7..00 in platinum. Buyers deal in small numbers so as to sell in large numbers. removal of the the iron shells would make the 50 pound box not such a bad thing. If you do the refining hoping to . 2009 I'm now in the cat buying game. I buy low and sell high. Knowing what I know I tried to tell him they were worth much much more than that.000 to 15.5 each now subtract gas for your car time to remove it from the host car.5 a pound. is to hold on to them.000. used to recover platinum from spent catalyst.. Nobody wants you to know for a real good reason (MONEY) I witnessed a man sell a few hundred mixed converters for $16.00. Buy low and sell high you will do fine .000.You make $4. you can ship 50 pounds in a prepay box and get the 7.
.Arundel. your can with acids leach the three pgms out of the core ceramic.. I would let the refiners earn there 10% and you should concentrate on volume.Glovertown NL Canada asked the same question which I have been wondering also which was never answered. I buy catalytic converters. whole cat buyers on the internet will pay from 4 to $165 each. Maine January 17.11 thousand dollars its got platinum in them. One company will pay 7$ a pound for your cores .. (see Ebay) its not legal to put a used cat on any car!. thanks December 23. (its worth it) and the seller loves the fact that he can add $5 to the sale. .gain remember your platinum will likely not be pure enough to get full price and even if it is the jeweler and ore refiner you sell it to is going to want a 10% to 30% cut off the top. that means the very least a cat core will have in pmgs is 7$ a pound. the amount of metallic values in a cat wildly varies. see rule 6.shorinternational. Has anyone had any experience with the ishor system http://www.. see rule 6! catching on yet? bryan smith .com). it just a side job for me at this time.com/refining. refiners will want 50 to 200 pounds of cat cores and will take 30 to 10% for there fee. 2009 I have worked in a place that took in catalytic converters what we would do is open the plug dump everything out into 55 gallon drum we would fill 10 -12 of these things then bring them to Texas they paid us about 8 .8 lbs. and have been doing so for 2 weeks I now own 15 of them.To extract the inside simply open the plug most if not all have a plug that can be taken out to extract the materials pat mazzillo . (see gold refiners index . (you may change your mind and want to sell them whole) 5 learn how to spot an after market cat (the guy selling you the cat has no clue what the previous owner did to the host car) this one cost me $70 on my very first buy! 6 cut all your buying prices buy 5$ 7 add $5 your buying price for each cat you don't have to cut from under the host car.aurora Colorado a correction its perfectly legal to sell a used catalytic converter. 2010 Glenn Burry. the average cat has 2.htm .. for prices look at cats direct 1st American core north eastern core buyers fairless core dyna converter integrity rules 1 buy low sell high 2 don't buy any thing today you cant sell tomorrow (inventory is expensive and makes you zip) 3 decan only if you've got 100s 4 don't decan after market cats till you get 40 of them.
So I would elect doing it the the guys in Texas. I'm not an expert on catalytic converter refining or gold recovery. and many more would if vendors. How do I know I'm not getting ripped when I sell one? But I'm sure as hell not going to sell it to Ted in Jersey.E. P. P. Actually. Bill. rip the things open and pour it into containers you can ship.E. OK the process is way too complicated for person to do on his own. Colorado and Oklahoma are doing it. are a mite smarter than the idiots in New Jersey and other eastern states. 2010 It seems that us in Okla. so I am certainly not in a position to be involved anywhere in the sale or purchase of this stuff? -. Ted Mooney. Bill N . 2010 Hi. finishing.Mounds.or because you got concerned about possible questions about the origin of your convertors after I mentioned that my son was a cop :-) Good luck and Regards. No one has answered which specific converters are worth more than the others.com Brick. New Jersey January 21. I have been looking at this system for many years so any comment would be greatly appreciated. Oklahoma January 21.Marvell. Michael Rowland . finishing.com Brick. and am not qualified to comment on how well this commercial device works (never even seen it).Can some of the professionals here (Ted?) please comment on whether or not this would work on granulated CAT honeycomb/beads. Mike. New Jersey . and also just the plain effectiveness with gold plated scrap. "But I'm sure as hell not going to sell it to Ted in Jersey" Is that because I've repeatedly said that my only business is running this website. Although this is my website. Ted Mooney. Arkansas June 2010 Hi. we discourage testimonials to particular commercial products because some people already post here or attempt to post here with fictitious names. could profit from shilling :-) Regards. disguised as satisfied customers.
Please remember: all the refiners compete with each other. but your labor and production costs will be high.. and my conclusion was that the only serious solution to this approach is to have ......or do you think you are going to pick up a few cats. learn which cats have what relative amounts of PGMs and buy and sell accordingly. sure... and by being an accumulator/consolidator.and smelting/refining is not a permitted use in any residential or agricultural zone I've ever heard of... and not cheat.. or a table top model on eBay.February 11. and each ingot or batch of metal you produce will still have to be assayed at your expense.you can make a profit from knowing the product you are dealing with.learn the product specs. new refiners enter the market... if not actually funny. 2010 Hey. and pay for permits and safety and disposal costs.. Something for nothing is a bogus way to live.thanks again...all above board. etc. You get out what you put in.. Someone did provide a three sentence answer on the 'how to' aspect. you have to put something substantial into it to make it work..... back off of Ted. How do you expect to make your costs lower than theirs? By dumping toxins in the trash? If you are highly competent..but please don't hang on to the notion that you can spin straw into gold. 2010 This blog/site whatever kicks ass! You rock dude.for that matter. and if it were simple to do.... John Marks .. and larger scale than most of you are thinking about.. and it's pretty interesting.. Thank you! Off my soapbox I go.. If it gets too lucrative. Ohio.turn them into COMEX quality ingots and high grade metals to sell to industry? I think many I've read on here are trying to get something for nothing.. Matthew Fox .. Do you intend to do this industrial process in your garage? If you are going to be honest about it. and even hedging those prices with futures contracts. He's the man.Columbus.but perhaps think of it as all boiling down to return on investment. and poof.. I've read a few pages of this thread. often with long term contracts to keep their costs low. you will have to end up like the existing refiners to make a profit.. and get real..think logically. I just wanted to add that anyone who is Still thinking about ways to steal the converters.. you could probably buy a kit for it at Ace Hardware. They assay the metal efficiently.. Florida March 11. Each refiner employs economies of scale. Clearly: THERE'S NO EASY MONEY TO BE MADE BY TRYING TO REFINE THE PRECIOUS METALS YOURSELF! So just give it up. I'm a pretty smart guy and I thought about it long and hard.. you can run the process.to get something meaningful out.Tampa.. and become a broker for small yards that don't have the time to research the value of each model..got to find some cat specs now!!!! PS: I'm NOT saying not to take a risk or consider a new venture.BE REALISTIC! As an example or two: If you want to profit. buying acids and supplies in large bulk.. You can go around to salvage yards and buy cats..... USA March 4. 2010 Hi All..
Those who read these words of wit.. In fairness it could be said that the economy is now so bad that some may take up the trade to feed mouths. Someone actually stealing from someone who worked hard for their nice car. Don't steal. then be on your merry way before you could get caught.car parts!. and using air-compressed or hydraulic cutters.Roll there words in little ceramic balls. WORD OF WISDOM: Those who write about cats on these walls. not habits.. makes me want to stay on the computer and away from dangerous chemicals. registration.. my guess is theft of cats will also see a comeback as frustration grows. you will look like a ripe candidate to be made example out of in the judicial court. someone offering to "buy" cats. but inversely they would still be taking it out of another's mouth.etc.some kind of technology that jacks up the car. Enough said? Good to know this information though.. This can be looked upon 2 ways---either the guy is legit.. Eric Vincent web developer/ seeker of knowledge .Anaheim. or sold a dime bag of something to someone who wanted to get high. insurance. Ok here's what I'm getting at--.Cedar Rapids.EAT THOSE LITTLE CERAMIC BALLS OF SLAG!!! Byron Wiese . Iowa USA March 26. I notice child abuse was up 12% here in IA last year. offering a venue for people to get a little more for there junk vehicle before the salvage yard gets it---or there are still people out there willing to crawl under cars in the middle of the night to feed their habits (and people willing to pay them to do it). cut off the cat in one snap!. MY ANALYSIS: I'm thinking I'll stick to planting a garden in the spring and riding a bicycle---just hope nobody cuts my gut out looking for little ceramic balls of quicksilver. California March 12...9% pure platinum of course you must then use an induction heater to melt it down and the only one that i can think of is right now that is easy to build is ZVS circuit ( zero voltage/current switching) its easy to build but i dont know if it has the ability to get to platinum melting temps . MY VOTE: 55 GALLON DRUM METHOD forget about anything beyond mechanical extraction.if you're that smart to build such a device. 2010 Wow. this economy is seething with unions of prison guards and people making 85 thousand dollars a year watching over 'criminals ' who got high.. Had to backtrack to an ad on our Craigslist. paid license. Got so involved I actually forgot how I got here. 2010 hey another way that i have found is to use something similar to the gold refining process if you use aqua regia aka nitric and hydrochloric acid mixed it will make clora platonic acid i believe is the name and then from there you can revert the acid back to pure platinum dust witch accumulates at the bottom as a dust you then filter and wash at the very least five times with warm or hot water you then have at least 99. I can't believe I read the WHOLE thing. Just knowing the process has put a more educated perspective on all of this thank you very much sir. you have no business stealing chicken-sh-.
Some had more meaning than others. 2010 Mr Mooney. I once seen a check for $25. It's not that we are sworn to silence. I just happened to ask the man. Sorry but we simply can't be Craigslist or Ebay or Google -. Now knowing how to melt down steel. I read all of the threads. But seriously.john michael . Please look on Craigslist. How come! Is it because of like back then the golden rule of silence still applies and mums the word to this day. it's that as soon as we open a thread to commercial responses. He replied. Mike.orange park Florida united states April 7. everything else is buried under the spam. or Google. heavy melt meaning steel beams to the smelting plants in Indiana and in Illinois. I hope the next time I read these threads that some one might be kind hearted enough to say as to were one might be able to take there spoils to. But I'm talking in large numbers. That is in all these threads I read I did not once read as to where to take the spoils.we don't have one thousandth of the necessary horsepower. Meaning. Now it's been some years gone by and now like then every one has kept the golden rule of silence. or eBay. Wyoming April 7. This public forum has managed to remain online for 16 years. Now I'm living in Wyoming and have a close friend that's in the auto salvage business and from time to time he has a gentleman come into buy his cats. for what I will get back that's a drop in the bucket so to speak. that if one thinks that you can separate the metals with a torch like Oxyacetylene is like melting a tuna can with a Bic lighter. . We could swamp the threads with spam overnight.. Before loading them on his truck. and it's largely because we don't let people benefit commercially from postings. How to extract precious metals from cats. Or what! I look forward to visiting this site again in the future. I worked in the scrap metal business 10 years ago and from time to time hauled what is none as Frag. As for some of the threads I read that some only had one or two. Refinery if any. Like a tree in the back yard. Now that was funny. When the buyer came by we unloaded the contents of the box's on the ground by sizes. I too was doing a little research online about precious metals when I stumbled on to this site. It can't be done.000 dollars and that was for the contents of one container box of cats.Rozet. Now I think back years ago about a salvage yard I'd work at and at that time we saved all cats in medium size container box's. Wow that's alot of money. a rope and the neighborhood Kids and a couple steel pipes.That is if they had a lot of them. 2010 Hi. Some had humor like. and I to have to agree with a lot of these threads. is it takes a little bit of this and a little bit of that and a whole lot of other things to make it pure steel and what's involved in that process is like trying to put a Big Mac in a Happy meal. Sincerely Mike Burt .
Sadly. P. and for my age i would say i have seen a lot. I was searching for two things when i got online today. I don't think personally I would be able to do it. And since i have to support an older but great father. first is how someone could easily sell stolen gold. and then be a middle man. Why not post a list of cars? Most states require a title. i am infuriated at the fact. On my next note. and i was like jeez I hope there will be intelligent people to have deep conversations.. well Networking is one of my favorite things. I'm 19. Ted Mooney. Also. or used parts. and makes our world more like the movie Idiocracy if anything. your way of thinking is incredibly fascinating. All i have to say.com Brick. Thomas from Sarasota.. so i figured well. I guess it sucks that greed rules this country. but we lose out on advancement of society. and i am granted with off the chart social skills.Regards. the way u run these forums is exceptional. its a pointless endeavor for the lowest of the low scum of the earth. In hopes when and if i fell i would have people around me to keep me afloat. Because people will go steal them. that people are scared too post what CC's are good to buy. I figured i shall start with two different topics. not a mechanic or chemist. That is an arrogant notion of people in America. with food. find out what kind of CC's too look for. talk to friends who work in areas that come across people selling junk cars. the only option left must be that people want to keep people out of this business so they can keep everyone from getting by. is i figured I'd keep my karma good. New Jersey April 18. I would like to tell you all a little about myself. . when I got up. and am well versed in the language of american society. family or career. like I am going to be there in May. and my friend telling me about plat in CC's. 2010 Well. i started reading this because i had hopes that some one would post what cars would be best to go get cc's and then find a company who buys them for refining purposes. THE LIST OF CARS! It would seem I'm limited in the aspect that people are too scared of losing profit or theft for advancement in human techno-evolution. and they start getting up would be power hungry and greedy. where you must choose. So i figured.. So. First is thanking two people.E. Ted. obviously so. or you must wait a given amount of time to receive payment on the converters if you sell too a scrap yard. this is why i liked thomas's post. As i said previously I'm a marketer and networker.. So theft isn't as much of an option. but things happen and you have other obligations in life. WOW. i figured i would look into the CC idea so maybe i could gain a little extra money after me losing my job. Except there is one thing i cant find. I would never have imagined that everyone who was once barely getting by. i brought everyone around me up. the business relationships and personal ones i developed have kept me and my dad in a house.. because i had all of my family heirlooms stolen from me and my handicap dad who lives with me. and that's how i get by now. because 2% are incompetent the rest are punished. finishing. and helped them. I was a marketer/sale's rep who traveled coast 2 coast. because Tennessee its hard finding deep and free-thinking people. but in everything i have seen in life. People who are secretive do make the most profit. i really enjoy your calm responses to some arrogant people.
maybe not hard labor. I'm a marketer. and teaching kids how to pick up chicks. Joe Santaniello . but use my skills for a better purpose. 2010 Hi. So i was hoping I could make a small profit. people selling muffler and cc for 10 bux. not a wall street man. with bills of sale for every cat i buy so you never would have to worry about me being a thief. hell. or in the past could have used also. well i can see me on here in the future. that would be acceptable too. Joe. Just consider the list people. put out a list. it is my first ever on this site. and my marketing experience. I just am not the type of man who lives off someone else's gratitude. and if this stuff actually pays off. if you do things on a larger scale. Sorry! Similarly. See. Tennessee April 19. just making it better so i don't go out and waste my time. then sitting around on forums. just like many of you guys can. Please use ebay.Murfreesboro. and possibly you would have the word of many exec's who would vouch for me. Craigslist. i figured that would be the best route. and finding a company who wanted too do the refining process or something. but this site does not put people into private contact with each other. if information shared with me you ask not too be disclosed. am i planning to start anything related to the pt industry. I like to work. well awesome. All i have to say is. and the thread dissolves to spam :-) . Thank you For your Time! :) If you guys would like to contact me through email. but do not have a dime for start up cost. i will abide by that notion. Well. i could ship them too u. It's just i see older cars being parted out. just so i can get by a little better. and i give my word on my dad. Apologies. and I could use the money. If you guys could be generous and think of others. since someone angry at my dad for calling the police on them because he was in fear for his life. we try to avoid reference to company names because experience has repeatedly proven that as soon as a company name is mentioned. now that i tried to get a little help from some of you guys. I'm sure I'll have at least made a little money off it. on cars that look bonestock. and possibly start my own business that i have been wanting. because things here are cheap.and utilities. i hope all of you enjoy this post. not even knowing the cats may be worth something. my word is never broken. Nor. and have something too think about. because I'm an honest person. if there are threads like this. and a loan isn't an option. and just getting rid of the cats core too a scrap yard. Good luck. just like an extra 600 a month or so. or a google search to locate the people you are seeking. cut the radiator hose and some other hoses i do not know what they are at this time. 24/7. my idea was hopefully getting the cats. and certainly not my last. Like En: Datsun/Nissan 70-93 not even being super specific. and maybe take my dad out too eat like i used to. their competitors feel the need to post a glowing testimonial to themselves. the race to the bottom is on. i am not trying to undercut you guys in your ingot industry. and now they are buying me a car so i can get back to my life. and just selling the guts. if not. I really enjoyed reading this thread. But letting the world know would be a much better thing! But.
Regards. What would be an approx. 2010 Hi.980. Ted Mooney. Texas June 8. P.10 grams to a troy ounce. California USA June 9. Keep posting and I'll keep reading Scott Jones .riverside. have heard it might be against the law to process them in the US. and with regard to obfuscating for the uninitiated. to a point I am NOT a metallurgist and have limit knowledge of the subject. P.E. 2010 First I'll just say this. Terrill. Platinum weighs 21. New Jersey June 24. finishing. There are 31.387 cubic centimeters to a cubic inch.Midland. it . terrill booth . Hope the PRICES stay up? I been told to keep the content separate due to the difference in amount and type of metals. So. at today's spot price of $1533 per troy ounce. finishing. 2010 I have over 1000 CC cut from salvaged autos over the past couple of years. I am a chemist.com Brick. your block would be valued at $51. This thread leads me to believe it is not.E. Regards. There are 16. I had thoughts of selling them raw. Ted Mooney.com Brick. that being said. New Jersey May 19. Gas and Diesel big differences. GREAT!! I will begin reading up.45 grams per cubic centimeter. Your block of platinum is 3 cubic inches. 2010 Just wondering if anyone could give me some info. and it sounds like the time I'm done study the "ART of CCs" I should have another thousand or so. weight of a solid block of Platinum with the dimensions of 3" x 1" x 1".
Texas. 2010 These are great questions about catalytic converters and platinum. Another waste of 30 minutes of my life surfing the web :) :) Gary W ..Mobile...scrapcatalyticconverter.. I found it here 'cause I was looking for a reason why my Ford is acting up.Redondo Beach. every one gets rich in a gold rush. 2010 Can anyone give an estimate of what a pound of slurry collected in the early 80's is worth..seems to me that one could with some difficulty dissolve the platinum/ceramic guts in conc.YOU WILL NOT GET PLATINUM WITHOUT RESPECTING THE CHEMISTRY AND FOLLOWING MY THOUGHT PROCESS WITHOUT FULLY UNDERSTANDING THE NATURE OF THE MATERIALS INVOLVED COULD AND WOULD CAUSE SERIOUS INJURY AND/OR DEATH. Maybe you should take a look at www... " There be 'Gold'in them thar hills" or in this case Platinum in them there Catalytic Converters. Walt Smith manufacturer . 2010 Cry.Brisbane.. Australia September 29. Any thoughts on a response on this thread will be greatly appreciated..com Dave smith . clearly I haven't gone so far as putting pencil to paper on this but it seems to me that it could be a lucrative opportunity for someone with a skill set in place to mitigate the very real (and potentially lethal) risks involved.PLEASE DO YOUR RESEARCH *-*-*-* Victor C. *-*-*-* THIS IS NOT TO BE TRIED BY ANYONE FOLLOWING THIS POST ALONE. Queensland. nitric and judiciously precipitate with some heavy metal ion. California USA . Yup. Got it legally by the way.. Ma .and there is a rush on to find out how it's done or how to get it. And for some it is a conspiracy because they are too ignorant or plain stupid to understand how complicated and dangerous to body and environment it is to extract it. US August 11. Alabama September 3.Dallas. beyond that apply tremendous tremendous amounts of heat to the precipitate and go to the bank.
2011 Greetings Everyone.the dubbah only wanted to give me $10 bucks for them . 2010 what does the extracted metal look like ron green curious .Maine.html and green.sellyourcatsdirect. Secondly . Thank You all very much for your time spent here & input. I did an engineering project at a factory that built the newer honeycomb style converters (still a long long time ago).but I don't trust backyard bob enough to keep doing business with him. USA January 14. There is a great video at www. Justin.youtube.how exactly do you tell the difference between an OEM & After-Market Catalytic Converter? Could someone muster up a photo of these 'beads' and these 'honey combs' you talk about do they look just like a piece of screen? So far with the cats I have cut off (Yes legally) they all just look like hollow metal chambers with a screen in them.I as I just mentioned I'm a web designer by trade -but I have started my own side project with recycling cars & metals. I'm not real familiar with the old-style ceramic bead catalytic converters. -J Justin L MaineJunKYards .no one liner is gonna help me learn anything) tips on how to distinguish between a factory original and a aftermarket cat.com/2006/11/28/thieves-target-catalytic-converters-for-precious-metals/.which no one has mentioned before .html. So if someone would please give me a few (Yes more than one please . but photos are available at www. What I would like to see/know .December 22. including maidenresources. I would like to thank Ted first of all for supplying this lovely little trough of information.com/watch? v=rmtFp-SV0tY .autoblog. I haven't done much with them but pile them up being as I don't know the difference yet. It has been a great revenue so far making something out of nothing is very rewarding. and pictures of them are all over the net. 2011 Hi.com/Loose_Beads_Pellets_secure. The last time I brought a couple the junkyard .com/Recycling.athens Alabama January 14. Being a web designer I know what is like to have to deal with internet hooligans.and he might have been honest (one came off an old GM Van & the other a new chevy geo) .
P.E. but I don't know how to tell the difference. Ted Mooney.com Brick. that an aftermarket converter would have less precious metals soaked into the honeycomb. New Jersey .I think. Regards. finishing. but don't know.