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I BUY, SELL AND REPAIR COMPUTERS. RECENTLY I STARTED TO SAVE ALL MY COMPUTER SCRAP TO RECOVER THE GOLD THAT IS ON THE CARDS. SO ON THE OTHER HAND I STARTED TO BUY A FEW CATALYTIC CONVERTERS AS SCRAP BECAUSE I HEARD THAT IT HAS A LITTLE AMOUNT OF PLATINUM AND PALLADIUM HONEYCOMB THAT IS INSIDE THE BODY OF THE CONVERTER. SO THE POINT IS: IF SOMEONE CAN EXPLAIN TO ME OR GUIDE ME IN THE NEXT STEP TO RECOVER THE PLATINUM_PALLADIUM ONCE THE CONVERTER IS OPEN, BECAUSE THE HONEYCOMB I THINK IS MADE OF CERAMIC. WHY I WANT TO KNOW THIS: TO PROVE TO A COUPLE OF FRIENDS THAT THE CONVERTERS HAVE A LITTLE AMOUNT OF THESE METALS. THEY THINK THAT I AM CRAZY OR NUTS. MARIO Z "hobbyist" - TIJUANA , BAJA CALIFORNIA, MEXICO ++++ If you want to do it just to prove your friends the point, then I agree to them. But if you're willing to make money out of it, be prepared to spend a decent amount of life and a little fortune with no guarantee of success up front. Guillermo Marrufo Monterrey, NL, Mexico
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Scrap Catalytic Converter Platinum Recycle Full Lincoln $71.01 44m
+++++ We have the process for getting platinum ( and other platinum grade metal from scrap catalytic converters). Listen to your friends. The platinum is there, but it is a very dangerous process. You have to know what you are doing. Charles K - Burtonsville, Maryland
View all disclaimer scrap catalytic converter 2008 Domestic platinum $71.50 3h 30m
Scrap Catalytic Converter Platinum $203.00 4h 01m
++++++ Catalytic converters have precious metal in them, Mario. It's the precious metals that provide the catalytic reaction. So collect on the bet. Recovery is dangerous and
shouldn't be attempted by untrained individuals though :-)
Ted Mooney, P.E. finishing.com Brick, New Jersey
++++++ Yes there is Platinum in catalytic converters. You can't recover it yourself but you have to take it a place that buys gold, metals, scraps... I buy catalytic converters, I pay good money. It depends on what kind of catalytic converter you have and if it's full, or half full. Monica M - Louisville, Kentucky
++++++ Monica M, Can you please explain what you mean by full or half-full. also, what different types of catalytic converters are there? which ones are most desirable for resell to refiners? Thanks - Mark Mark W - San Antonio, Texas
+++++++ Hi I currently buy and sell catalytic converters to a man. He has often told me that he will be out of town selling these catalytic converters. My question is how much more is he getting paid and where does he take them to? Currently the best paid one I have had is
one for $120.00, if anyone can help me please do so. Juan M buyer/seller - Seven Springs, North Carolina
+++++++ I think Ted was kind of on the right track with his answer, but just as wrong as the rest of the responders. You will probably not find anyone willing to give up the process that they use because they use it to recover the material themselves. It would be nice if they came right out and said that so you could use your powers of internet research on chemistry to devise your own way of extracting the materials. BTW, if a person wishes to blow themselves up or poison themselves let them do it just don't take anyone else with you. Ron H - Scranton, Pennsylvania
+++++++ I have access to hundreds of catalytic converters, and want to know how to extract, not refine, the platinum from them. This would save shipping fees, but I'm not sure if I can just cut out the part containing the platinum, or do I have to strip it out? Georgia T recycler, junk dealer - Nashville, Tennessee
Ron, yes, certainly people can be coy. But the main issue is difficulty, not secretiveness. Brain surgeons and aircraft engineers may be coy too, but their coyness is not the main reason why people don't post a simple answer here on how to do brain surgery or design a jetliner :-) Recovering precious metals requires a significant investment in time, education, and equipment. Georgia, you can cut the valuable part out from the steel. They will look a lot like a small muffler. The metal housing is stainless steel and contains no precious metal (although stainless steel has scrap value too). The precious metal is in the ceramic honeycombs you find inside. Good luck! Ted Mooney, P.E. finishing.com Brick, New Jersey
Nathan. and came up with $80.and do the math at 1200 dollars an ounce for platinum. I have one way to do it but it is kinda hectic.com Brick. Rachel. I would like to know whom I could sell the catalytic converters. Alabama +++++++ I did the math as you asked. for an average size converter it has about 1. Nathan H . it seems that developing a good "buy low / sell high" strategy is a much easier way to make money than doing the dangerous chemistry. Object 7 Ted Mooney. UK Object 8 +++++++ Recovery of precious metals is a well developed industrial science. P.E. and there are books that compare the alternative approaches and explain the chemistry in depth. for the ones that want to know why they are so expensive. New Jersey +++++++ I work in a lab and need to produce platinum from a catalytic converter on a small and safe scale. Looking at ebay with asking prices from about $10 to $150 for scrap catalytic convertors. South Yorkshire. Read the great reviews of Ammen's book --> But why does your company "need" to get platinum from this source rather than buying it? If can you provide a little more detail on what you Object 9 ..Rotherham. But.+++++++ Hello..Vernon. What is the best way of doing this? Rachael C work in a glass lab . finishing..9 grams of platinum in the honeycomb.
you will probably get better targeted and therefore more helpful answers. finishing. I MEAN REGARDLESS OF IF IT'S A DANGEROUS PROCESS OR NOT ITS OUR OWN DECISION IF WE WANT TO GO THROUGH WITH IT OR NOT. Wade. I MEAN THERE ARE A LOT OF DANGEROUS THINGS OUT HERE. ALCOHOL FOR ONE IS A DANGEROUS PROCESS IN EVERY WAY BUT PEOPLE NEVER DENIED US THE PROCESS OF CONSUMING IT AS WELL AS DRUGS. New Jersey +++++++ MY NAME IS WADE COLLINS AND I WAS TRYING TO FIND THIS PROCESS OUT MYSELF. P.S. SO FOR ANYONE WOULDN'T MIND SHARING SOME VALUABLE INFORMATION PLEASE LET ME KNOW THE PROCESS OF EXTRACTING THESE PRECIOUS METALS Wade Collins . Thanks! Ted Mooney. BUT TO DENY THE PEOPLE TO MAKE MANY WHETHER YOU BELIEVE OR NOT TO BE DANGEROUS IS OUR DECISION IF WE WANT TO DO IT. Good luck. If you ask a specific question regarding how jetliners are built. Give yourself a few weeks of diligent reading and you'll be able to ask rather specific questions. like how thick should the nickel-cadmium plating be on a turbine blade. AND OTHER FOREIGN ILLNESSES. WORKING IN ASBESTOS AREAS.are trying to do. BUT IT SEEMS TO ME THAT NO ONE WANTS TO GIVE THIS VALUABLE INFORMATION UP IN FEAR OF OTHER PEOPLE MAKING THE KIND OF MONEY THEY'RE MAKING. but if you say "tell me how to build a jetliner". It's not so much secret as difficult to explain when starting from zero. and people will probably be willing and able to answer.start by reading books that are readily available from any large library (did you ask yet if your library had the books we already recommended?). it's that they simply can't answer a question that broad. Johnson-Matthey & Heraeus are not afraid of their halfbillion dollar precious metal refineries facing competition from individuals.com Brick. THAT WE DON'T EVEN ASK FOR. people may answer.ST. Missouri Hi.E. P. . it's not that they refuse to answer. LOUIS. All they can do is say "start by attending an aeronautical engineering college for four years" :-) Recovery of precious metals is a well developed science-. Just as Boeing & Airbus are not concerned that you will compete against them in building jetliners.
Couldn't for the life of me figure out what this guy was keeping them for and why he was hiding them so far from the road. I buy & sell many catalytic convertor.Belvidere. page 2 1 2 3 4 5 6 +++++++ hi friends.Ted Mooney. Stumbled on this thread and now I know. finishing.com Brick. page 2 HOW TO RECOVER PLATINUM FROM CATALYTIC CONVERTERS.France . New Jersey January 11. Vermont USA þÿ Search Home/Sitemap · you are here: Forum => letter 27814. Roberto Gremini .E. 2011 LOL Just acquired a foreclosed estate property with acreage and found a mountain of converters waaaayyyy back in the woods under tarps. but I don't know the method for take out the platinum from it. if it's possible can you help me? how do we do it? regards Jouni . P.
apparent activation energy of the carbochlorination within 2 hours changed from 22 to 16 kJ/mol roughly for the initial half hour and final 1 hour. together with the negligible equilibrium vapor pressure of ThCl4 at below 600 C. This. which is different from the conventional Goldschmidt process at 1000 C to 1200 C. SiCl4 as defluorination agent. there is no simpler. suggests that carbochlorination of the mixed concentrate at temperatures as low as 500 deg C in the (Cl2 1 SiCl4) atmosphere is suitable for rare earth extraction and thorium-free volatile by-product release. but these values reduced to 15 and 2. Their combination allows an efficient and environmentally conscious extraction and separation of rare earth elements from the mixed concentrate. but carbochlorination at above 1000 C yielded a large amount of acidinsoluble residue. $24.+++++++ Since "complicated and dangerous" doesn't seem to satisfy the masses on what it takes to extract precious medals from items such as catalytic converters. The CVT reaction of the carbochlorination product was performed at 800 C for 0.. I'll put it in another way. chlorine gas as chlorination agent. step by step method of doing this. . respectively. leading to complete thorium removal and efficient rare earth separation. in the absence of SiCl4. HOW TO RECOVER RARE METALS FROM ELECTRON . Between 500 deg C and 800 deg C. respectively.1 kJ/mole under 2 kPa of SiCl4 gas. The process to do so is known as carbochlorination and the simplified textbook definition of the process is as follows: A stepwise carbochlorination--chemical vapor transport (SC--CVT) process is proposed for the rare earth extraction and separation from a mixed bastnaesite-monazite concentrate based on thermodynamic and kinetic analysis using carbon as reductant.95 4d 04h 36m View all disclaimer If you can't understand that then you're out of luck. and AlCl3 as vapor complex former.5 hours in the (Cl2 1 SiCl4 1 AlCl3) atmosphere and then at 1000 C for 6 hours in the (Cl2 1 AlCl3) atmosphere along different temperature gradients.. The rare earth chloride yield for 2 hours was 56 to 88 mol pct in the absence of SiCl4 and 92 to 99 mol pct in the presence of SiCl4.
Cory Gage - Tulsa, Oklahoma
+++++++ The reason these [expletive deleted] don't want to give you the info is cause of the loss of money they would be hit with. The high value cat's get 2 to 300 dollars that hold up to 2 ounces of platinum in them.Notice you caught the eye of so many on here trying to buy yours instead of showing how you can recover 2 ounces of platinum. Now 1 ounce goes for what 1300 dollars.I wouldn't show you how to recover it either! Zachary Rumble - Lawton, Oklahoma
+++++++ Cory just finished taking the time to give you the 'secret' info, Zachary. But you don't yet have the background knowledge to understand his instructions. Any large library will have books on recovering platinum and precious metals; you may need to study those books before you understand Cory's instructions. I bought a new catalytic converter from Meineke for under $150. Some models for larger cars may have more platinum but $2600 worth sounded ludicrous. So I spent some time on line looking for the world's most expensive catalytic converter and the best I could do was $2495 for a pair for a Ferrari, Although the precious metals are indeed valuable, maybe the real issue is that there are people who want to sell you scrap at ridiculous prices by exaggerating its value while implying that recovery is easy?
Ted Mooney, P.E. finishing.com Brick, New Jersey
+++++++ I am a buyer of scrap catalytic converters.The process you ask about is very hard and dangerous. It is a process that is regulated under EPA standards. It is profitable to sell the converter as a whole unit. You can refine or have them refined in other countries if you want to gather up 3000 of them and wait 90 days on your money to come back to you. My web site buys on average 2500 catalytic converters a month. I have tried it all and to refine a converter yourself is totally crazy. There is 3 acids in the process and it becomes very explosive and at
times it does explode.The proper automated machines keep the workers safe when this happens. There are several platinum groups in most converters. A large gm I pay 100.00 for it on my web site. A aftermarket converter is not worth what a factory converter is. It will only net you 10.00 as scrap. Some large converters I pay 140.00 for them and some exotic converters go higher than that, 200.00 or so. Before you find all there is to refining your own think about the people around you and the laws of the land. Steven Gee - Hornsby, Tennessee
+++++++ I agree with Mr. Mooney's last post. It is impossible to recover $200 in metals value from a product that RETAILS for less than $200! Now, I do believe that finding silver/gold/Pt/Pd and other precious metals in a refinable form is still do-able at flea-markets, garage and estate sales and thrift stores - with enough time and patience. They, like others, have become much more sophisticated, so, likely they tested and 'high-graded' anything before it went out for sale. Garage sales at private residences (NOT conducted by professional estate or auction services) remain the best candidates. Bruce A Ades - Carrollton, Texas
+++++++ I am new to scrap metal. I want to get the metal out of these items. Does anybody know a melt down place to retrieve these metals? I want to make a living doing scrap metal. Vicky in Los Angeles Victoria Blanchard hobbyist - Los Angeles, California
+++++++ The carbochlorination behavior of scrapped honeycomb-type automobile catalysts was investigated using a chlorine and carbon monoxide gas mixture to fully extract platinum and rhodium in the catalysts. The recoveries of platinum, rhodium, and base metals are monitored by ICP-AES analyses. Upflow type of fixed-bed carbochlorination experiments were performed between 250 and 700 C. The effects of flow rate, time, and partial pressures of chlorine and carbon monoxide were also determined. After optimization of these parameters, the recoveries of about 95.9% of platinum and 92.9% of rhodium were obtained
at 550 C. The recovered condensate was contaminated by various base metal chlorides. The chlorides generated from the base metals could be minimized by decreasing the flow rate of the gas mixture without any deterioration of PGM recoveries, but at the expense of the volatility. The carbochlorination of scrapped automobile catalysts could be an efficient way for the profitable recovery of platinum and rhodium chlorinated compounds at comparatively low temperatures. sorry i cant find the credits Brian McKee - Buffalo, New York
January 26, 2008 I agree with most of the comments here. The process is not one that everyone should be trying. It is much easier to just find someone who is doing it all the time. There are a few good companies that would be happy to buy all the CCs you can get them. If you want to try something try to recover gold. It is plenty dangerous enough for the thrill seekers and you are much more likely to have a good outcome. After you have done a few hundred pounds of gold then you can move up to this. I should mention scale is very important when it comes to profit margins on both of these processes. Michael Biggs - Princeton, Texas
January 29, 2008 Recovery of metals from cats is difficult| Is it possible to recondition the cat ready for re installation .E G.Vacuum baking to remove volatiles followed by baking in air to burn off carbon? Mickey Louvel chemist - Hampshire, U.K.
February 10, 2008 http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/5542957-description.html Here you will find several ways to extract the metals. And for everyone out there who enjoys censoring information to the masses, tisk tisk. Adam Underwood
Adam? Ted Mooney. P.Perth. Western Australia February 11.San Francisco.. To my surprise. eh? And no. The replacement bumper and paintwork cost me $780. and remember everyone has to make a profit or they would be out of business.. Alabama February 10. cried over the stuffed jacked and shoe and proceeded to take to the thing with my oxy-acetylene cutter. but I persevered and finally broke the catalytic converter off. Prices are based on types. 2008 About 4 years ago I was traveling along the highway and a catalytic converter dislodged it's self from the vehicle in front of me. quantity. finishing. having some knowledge of it..com Brick.00. Cindy Reynolds .Mobile.E. Or is it just a burning curiosity? Maybe we should have some legal authority monitoring of this thread. New Jersey February 11. 2008 Those of you wanting more for your converters are in a jam. James Monroe . you do not want to refine the tiny bit of metal in each without a lab behind you. I didn't have time to get out of it's way and ran over it at 110 km/h(70 MPH). I decided to take my leather jacket off and break the red hot pipe from the converter. 2008 I wonder where all these people are getting ALL these cats. I did the first aid on my hands. 2008 Have you seen anyone censoring anything.PJC Peter Carey . I placed it in the truck of my vehicle and raced it home. I burnt my hands dragging the thing from the road. I wonder because somebody just hacked mine off my Jeep with a Sawsall. I stopped to check the damage and remove the converter and tailpipe from the road. The sole of my shoe and my jacket were destroyed in this process. California February 19. It's dangerous plus you'll lose money. it was just an old muffler!!! What a day!!!! Enjoy your converter people. so I too could own some PLATINUM. volume.
Georgia April 24. You can find the plans for a furnace online easily.. I have no interest in recovering the platinum.in a perfect world. 2008 I own a salvage company.. Do some research it is not that hard to search this stuff. Platinum and Palladium are each different weights and one has a higher melting point than the other so when cooling down they tend to separate somewhat. The reason most people don't do it is they are either dreamers or just too stupid or flat out too lazy to try when they find out what it takes.Dalton. 2008 How do I know if my converter cartridge has any material left in it? I have access to cartridges which have been removed from converters. Ohio March 16.Springfield. how much money I will receive for which model? I don't want to give 50 and get 30. Easy to assemble and use. 2008 The cat's are disappearing here in Minn..so they have just passed a law that the purchaser must get the id of the seller which helps determine if a Jeep cat was cut off and a Jeep cat was sold the next day they can find you.Prairie Du Chien. James Wilson . Kurt Crosby . Minnesota March 19. The average cc contains around (if all used up) about a 1/4 oz. 2008 I too used to think like most of you until I talked to a gentleman who owns a bronze sculpture foundry. One that came off of a .Kilkenny.. I in turn found out the secret. Wisconsin March 11. How do I know if there is any precious metals left in them. and then you have almost pure platinum and palladium. I just want to sell the cat..I know there are ways around but at least we are trying. So can some one give me a price list. When you pour the mold it will cool and the slag can be removed with a small hammer. Thanks and good luck all.. A Crucible and crucible furnace is all you need along with someborax [link is to product info] and silica sand. Doug Dugan hobbyist .
E. These are after market. Don't let the buyers of cc's lie and say they don't hardly get much more from you on them from their buyers. You just have to be safe doing it so you don't hurt your self in the process. I also extract gold from plated cosmetic jewelry and have a good time doing it in my spare time. When the cc was added because of emissions control cars started becoming 10 to 12000 dollars.00 you have to make a profit.com Brick. the new cats that you get are either reconditioned or made of cheap stuff. They use a pgm that is not as high as platinum or pall. Ted Mooney. They use the price of the car to offset the cc that has the platinum inside. Also with a lot of states like here that require an inspection sticker no more. So if we assume the car maker uses half palladium and half platinum it would cost them $3575 to charge a converter? Some convertors are worth more than others.000. They make a lot and the guys who melt them make a killing. I just smelted an '89 and produced 1/3 oz of platinum on a dead one.000 and up. If people would take the time to do it right they would make a lot of extra money for themselves. I average 2 to 3. the low price for palladium was $432/oz.00 every weekend on cc's. New Jersey April 26. It is there and I make a lot on it every weekend. P. Oklahoma April 24. To sum it all up if you buy for 100. Do your research if you want to make money. Regards. finishing. It is doable and should be done by anyone with half a brain! chuck graham . This fit with the plan and now it will cost 18. Just an example: before the cc came out on new cars the value of a car was in the mid thousand dollar range. They can put less of the valuable components into them for sale in these states and still be in compliance. If i buy one that came off of a new car it will yield way more than that of a knock off. but something doesn't add up. ..000 dollars. 2008 The "low" price for platinum today was $1951/oz. If you don't you are just spinning your wheels. Chuck.[certain model] that had been wrecked before it got used almost new produces close to 3 oz. Like in the 70's a new car (not a Cadillac mind you) but a regular car was around 7. They don't care if it costs them 3 grand to produce one for the new car because they will add that to the new car price.Purcell. 2008 The new converters that they sell are not like the ones that come on the new car.
Chuck Chuck Graham . 2008 How much precious metal is in 60 grams of catalytic converter flakes? Hi someone please help me with these questions: 1) on ebay people sell collected flakes of platinum from catalytic converters. 2008 Hi. strain the resulting solution and dispose of the ceramic. I'm I right in my assumption? Thanks for any help you can give me. some for scrap at $90 to $100 each. I have been selling the vehicles off one by one. 2008 Reflux the honeycomb in aqua regia (HCl. Utah April 30. HNO3). would it be worth it to purchase a Crucible furnace and extract the platinum/palladium myself? It seems to me that the older and heavier ones would be more valuable. dry and heat to 500 C to remove impurities. California April 25.Purcell. How much platinum is in 60 grams of these flakes? 2) where can I sell it? 3) how much can I expect to get per ounce of this stuff? Thanks for your help Joe Goday interested in getting involved . I'd like to know: are the cars/trucks with the catalytic converters intact worth more? I'm I being ripped off? Yesterday I found approx. I recently inherited a mini junk yard. Kathie Meli junk yard owner . ten converters in a shed. treat with Ammonium chloride. Oklahoma April 29. evaporate. wash with HCl.San Francisco.Tooele. .
New York May 12.000 USD. 2008 I have 6 or so cars that I have been dragging my feet about getting rid of. I think I should remove and scrap my converters before calling the junk dealer and just giving the cars away. punch a hole in the converters and the beads will usually fall out. I won't go in to more detail than that. Washington June 13. And by the way if your still wanting to try it all your selves. Also. First of all get a 55 gallon barrel and then start collecting converters.with the recent outbreak of thefts. do they just weigh them and give you a set price.regardless? Just wondering if it will be worth my while to jack up and climb under and cut off the converters.Honeoye Falls. then you will need hydrochloric acid. muriatic acid so you can mix them in the right amounts to make the acid that is needed to extract the metals. 2008 "And by the way if your still wanting to try it all your selves. muriatic acid so you can mix them in the right amounts to make the acid that is needed to extract the metals. Carol Stevens . How do I or the recycler now the value of each? Surely they do not take them apart on the spot. Now I am no rocket scientist but it sure don't take one to fill up that 55 gallon barrel and have it shipped to a refiner in Cali. You will notice there are different colored beads. I won't go in to more detail than that. the dark ones are the trash and the other lighter colored ones are the metals your looking for. Dale R .Steve Shaw . you can go find what your looking .Olalla. Well stop asking the how and just ask what's the best way to make the most money you can. I also know they pay a lot less for 'dirty' metal as I scraped some aluminum window frames a few years ago and was paid a lot less for the ones that had screws and other metal still attached. A barrel full is worth about 20. so what's your choice? I for one will stick to watching "How Its Made" on the Discovery channel and learn from the Pro's on how to safely recycle converters. 2008 Well I am sure we are all tired of hearing the same questions over and over again and that HOW. is there other parts that might be worth my while to scrap. like the starters & alternators? I know they have the copper windings inside. you can go find what your looking for on the Discovery network. then you will need hydrochloric acid. do they? Or. I am sure they will have a re-run there.Texas June 17. That part is soooo simple anyone can do it. I am currently in between jobs and could use the money to get me through.
you tell us about chemicals to thwart us from trying when you people are probably just tossing them into a furnace and pouring brick after brick. Please study. but went on to name a TV program if you want to go further." see it is that one lil sentence that is a bunch of bull. GOOD GRIEF! Y'KNOW. 2008 OH. available from any library. perhaps without basic chemistry knowledge. • We've named books.for on the Discovery network. Then Brian from Buffalo did the same. Then Adam from Mobile pointed you to a patent describing some methods. P. "pouring brick after brick" of precious metal. Tyler. and then ask any detailed question you wish and people will probably be delighted to answer it.. 2008 Hi. that will explain all.E. Tyler E ." why in the heck can't you people share what you know? instead you have to be all secretive and say oh it's dangerous and you need all these poisonous chemicals. Ted Mooney. TED.. "I wont go into more detail than that. • • • • • But instead of thanking anyone. so why not just melt it out (after all you probably do) because its easier. finishing. Virginia June 19. all metal will melt at some point. you demand that someone explain in one paragraph how people of unknown skill and experience.Norfolk. New Jersey June 27.YOU ALWAYS HAVE SUCH A RESERVED CONTROL . Cory from Tulsa explained in detail how the precious metals can be recovered. I am sure they will have a re-run there. Dale from Texas suggested collecting the beads in barrels as the best place to position yourself in the recovery chain to make money simply and easily. OK explained an alternate way to do it by melting. Why? just to try to discourage us because you don't want us possibly taking your profit if were in your area. Then Chuck from Purcell. can perform a precious metal refining process.com Brick. Regards. It's just ridiculous..
BELIEVE ME... California July 4. ONE HAS TO WONDER IF THEY ARE JOKING WITH US OR (even worse) ARE ACTUALLY SERIOUS ABOUT SOME OF THEIR FANTASTIC BELIEFS AND STATEMENTS.(on a good night) FROM DREAMING ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS THESE MISDIRECTED. IN ANY MONTH. you're dead and everyone close to you. OK.. I... THERE. I DEAL WITH VARIOUS SEGMENTS OF THE PGM RECYCLING INDUSTRY ON A DAILY (and nightly) BASIS AND EVERY TIME I THINK THAT I'VE HEARD IT ALL..'TILL IT STARTS ALL OVER AGAIN TOMORROW MORNING.. cant fix dumb terry Pearson ..OK. NOW.FOR HOURS AND HOURS. Wyoming July 4..I WILL.. AND THEY ALSO BELIEVE THAT THE PROCESS IS SIMPLE AND COSTS VERY LITTLE TO DO IT.I GET A REGULAR DOSE OF COMMENTS FROM INDIVIDUALS CLAIMING THAT THERE'S GOTTA BE SOME SORT OF CONSPIRACY WITH REGARD TO ACTUAL RETRIEVABLE PGM LOADS FROM VARIOUS AUTO CATALYSTS AND INDUSTRIAL SUCCENTS.Moreno Valley.. NAIVE AND SOMETIMES HYSTERICAL PEOPLE HAVE TO SAY TO ME ON THE PHONE OR eMAIL....I'M ALRIGHT NOW. SO MANY OF THEM DO BELIEVE THAT WE MUST BE SALVAGING MANY. Allen Cook pgm refiner .rock springs.. I COULD GATHER ENOUGH STORY MATERIAL TO MAKE A VERY BIZARRE COMEDY.. Umm.. I SWEAR. TED. SCREAMING.. MANY TIMES THE ACTUAL AMOUNTS OF THOSE PRECIOUS METALS THAT EXIST IN THE SPENT CATALYSTS. YEAH...... 2008 why when someone lays it out for you you think its wrong? its not safe you can't do it in your house or basement if you get it wrong you die!! SO look it up and then think about it!! get it wrong.WITH YOUR RESPONSES TO THESE POSTS AND I DO ADMIRE YOU FOR THAT.. I SUPPOSE THAT I WOULD NEED TO WRITE-IN A FEW CHASE SCENES AND OTHER HI-TENSION SUBJECT MATTER TO HOLD GENERAL AUDIENCE INTERESTS. 2008 I have started down the Aqua regia route for reclaiming PMG's from cats which I'm quite .. I'LL GET THROUGH THIS TONIGHT.. AAARRRRAGGGAAAHHHHH! OK. R.gonna pour myself a good brandy..AND BEFORE MY SIDE STOPS HURTING FROM UNCONTROLLED LAUGHTER..I HEAR SOMETHING EVEN FUNNIER...I HAVE NOTHING TO SAY...I UNDERSTAND JUST HOW OFTEN YOU MUST BITE YOUR LIP AND GIVE A SIGNIFICANT PAUSE TO REFLECT ON THE ABSURDITIES SOME OF THESE POSTERS KEY-OUT. I DON'T KNOW IF I WOULD WANT TO INCLUDE THE PERSONAL REALITY OF ME WAKING UP IN A COLD-CLAMMY SWEAT. BUT.
However. they would know that the current market price for an ounce of platinum is closer to $4k.Palmerston Nth. the current market for rhodium is closer to £18K. Chuck? Bob Keen .London. I too am interested in procuring platinum from catalytic converters. and so on until the last step of removing slag from the platinum.Palacios. Step #3 Melt all of the contents. I will post it on the major internet services (google. I personally think people are misguided in their amateur precious metal recovery efforts. 2008 Why is it that all these cat convertor thieves are asking how to extract the platinum. and my son who is a . I guess in some areas there is catalytic converter theft but I've never heard of an incident in my local newspapers or on my TV stations. I would like to thank whom ever sends this information so that it can be distributed to people who do need extra income for their families. I have tried googling on the internet and I have not found any significant "steps" to extract platinum from converters. Perhaps the key to it is the flux's that Chuck uses! Any comments. What I can't fathom with Chuck's method though is that separation of the PMG's seem to be straight forward but the scientific papers on the subject say you only get separation of the PMG's if you use a carrier metal such as copper. etc. I have read these questions and also the answers in great detail tying to resolve the correct procedures to make these extractions of platinum. New Zealand July 4. if anyone had done their homework. I Remain. yahoo. 2008 Also. being a retired scientist(chemist). I do like Chuck's method however and if I had seen it early enough would have gone down that road as it appears nice and clean. Texas July 9. that is how we know there is no real interest in the metal other than its resale value. Is there any one who can steer us folks in the correct step by step procedures? What # step do the different chemicals get added in? As soon as I obtain the correct step by step procedures for the extraction of platinum from auto catalytic converters. etc. England July 9. Thank you again. Step #2 Strip the insides of the converter and place into a large crucible. Scott Edgeler .) for all to use. 2008 Hi. could someone give the correct Step #1 Open up the converter with a torch. Don Weaver hobbyist . but I have no reason to assume they are thieves. Sincerely.comfortable with. Scott.
Could you use these same chemicals when melting jewelry? How does this process work? How much of each chemical should be used? What do you use? Also I was thinking of using an electric kiln capable of 2300 F.local cop here hasn't seen any incidences of it either. allen cook . r. would this work? How many times do you have melt the gold to remove all of the impurities? Does the waste or slag eventually come to the surface and then it is easy to pour out or do you have to strain it somehow? How do you measure the purity of gold? Where do you sell your gold when your done? What kind of price should I expect for an ounce of refined gold? (I know what gold is worth. borax [link is to product info]. along with a graphite crucible.. New Jersey July 11.moreno valley.. I am interested in getting into this so I have been doing some research. PLEEZ. I'm sorry for you -. YOU WILL KNOW A LITTLE MORE ABOUT WORLD MARKET PRECIOUS METALS BUYING AND SELLING VALUES.GAWD. You said that you reclaimed gold from jewelry.. but I have some questions. Silica flour.E. 2008 My question is for chuck who last posted on this topic back in April..com Brick..IT'S STARTING AGAIN. Any answers anyone can provide on this topic would be greatly appreciated. I know when they are refining gold after being mined they use a combination of these five chemicals Manganese Dioxide..JUST KEY-OUT "KITCO" OK? I'M GONNA GO TO BED NOW. but I am not sure how close to full price I would be able to get for it). If you've suffered a theft yourself. and Sodium Nitrate to remove the impurities from the gold.. C'MON. STOP IT SCOTT. California July 14. finishing. 2008 OMG. fluoride. SCOTT.. P. I intend to go to . WHY ARE U QUOTING SUCH ABSURD SPOT-PRICES FOR PLATINUM AND PALLADIUM? IF YOU WILL REFER TO THE CURRENT DAILY PGM CHARTS DISPLAYED BY KITCO.but please don't demand that we make the presumption that anyone we see climbing the church steps is on their way to rob the poor box :-) Regards. Ted Mooney.
Guy picks up cats from repair shops. plus Z for . you will not get a second chance. including concentrated acids. very dangerous. They indicate that in 1993 cats contained 60 g of precious metals but with new technologies this has been reduced so that now cats only contain 5 g of precious metals and this equates approximately to 3.. You have to decide where you want to fit in the process. the steel parts are high grade and not easy to cut.19 g platinum.) The processor can sell the core for X + Y..) . plus Y for (1) the work and expense of collecting them and (2) developing his network of suppliers (the repair shops). He is currently getting $30 each. I have some chemistry lab experience. California July 14. etc. but the body of the cat itself. The large English company of Johnson Matthey supply 1 in 3 cars worldwide with cats.) You want a plasma cutter to work at speed. 2008 Some pertinent information for potential cat processors. explosion .the library to do more research but if I could talk to someone who has actually done something like this it would help. 2008 1. about 15 cats a week.take your pick. The value of your part of the process depends on how much work you want to do. The processor must cut open the cats and remove the core (that's where the platinum is.Palmerston North. he pays them X per. I am very tempted to try my hand at recovering metals from cats. Bob Keen . Because cats run at extremely high temperatures. Think boiling acid. Every step towards recovering platinum. however. Friend of mine runs a repair shop. and what you are good at. what you know (like chemistry). Garret Boyer . New Zealand July 14. C..04 g palladium and 0. The info is available on the web. Is this a reasonable price? He works primarily on higher priced cars. You see where this is leading. (I'm not talking about the pipes on either side. If you mess up.Vista.78 g rhodium . 2. fire. 3. He can sell them to a processor for X. 1. you might do very well building relationships with owners of repair shops.so it looks as though if you want to get the most out of cat processing you grab the earlier cats most of whom will contain only platinum and palladium. B. the chemicals required are. in a cat has a value: A. in fact. (If you are good with people.
Bottom line if you are happy with less recovery.. The level you wish to extract to depends on the level of work & knowledge OR test & try you . You do NOT have to use a complex and dangerous chemical process to recover these metals unless you need high yield recovery. No chem degree required or magical explosions or secretive myths. I liked the post that spoke to finding your place in the distribution chain i. If you read through this post and all the threads you will find that there are two pools of thought. 1.be it chemistry or people (Ted).Phoenix. start at step 1. do multiple levels in the process and avoid what they are not good at .Ardsley. OR 2. since no one has asked it yet. or you are happy to concentrate the cores to the point that that you are comfortable with and learn as you go then that is a great plan. You do not need to break out the boiling acid to make a buck. sourcing the CCs. this is a chemical process that is dangerous. Arizona USA July 18. This is a basic process of extraction.. difficult and dirty and is a 'pro's only' game requiring much knowledge to avoid death and harm . get some cats and refine your process through the chain as you feel comfortable and safe. High temp acid and playing with chemical mixtures at any temperature is a great start to a bad weekend. And actually they are right. . 2008 I'll take the easy road . Laura Shea .Frank Richardson . Suggestion: if you do not need cash but want to start a play just start stockpiling CCs. they are making a killing but only the ones that stay quiet.that you apply. 2008 Ted Wow.. New York July 14.e. Yes.like playing with VooDoo dolls or something.. get a life. Then learn / test the next step and so forth. what year did they start and stop putting the precious beads in these converters? Actually it's a question of curiosity .
Get wealthy as you go .when you get better later and have more skills and contacts you can convert for cash or refine it to the next step of stripping the cores well. Texas July 18. Jolly Roger PS Ted nothing actually against you however I see your feedback and others in the business as being very transparent including mr CAPITALS. Jon Decker personal interest .e.don't outline problems but give better solutions so they can learn and grow. My chemistry and people skills may not be good. Get rich quick? Nope. .. So do your 55 gallon drum but keep the drum & learn or sell it only once you know more about its real value. Regards. So you are dealing with some pretty bad radicals so be safe. Imagine though if you bought CC for 5 years.. So we'll be happy to print more postings from you. wear breathing and other protection. learn to safely strip cats. i. One last point is keep in mind the cores are dangerous from step 1.that why they are in the car. did a fast refinement to concentrate and then started doing the processing side.so I don't know what you mean about "your feedback and others in the business as being very transparent". That's when you cash in. stripped the cores. instead why not try to help .... There are carcinogens (cancer causing agents) in exhaust and many bad chemicals . 2008 Hi. Take a long term view.Dallas. Be mindful of environmental impacts and keep the cores well stored. but only if they talk about the topic rather than the other posters.yip. or sell it as-is. refine. learn to buy cats. I don't engage in any business except this website and haven't for many years -. Then if you decide the biz (or parts of the biz) is not for you you can sell your cores and cash out and probably make more because the metal prices keep going up. but they've been adequate to keep this site going for more than a quarter million postings over 19 years. I learned that the single most important thing necessary for a durable public forum website is to not print ad hominem attacks. learn to compact the cores. Jon. Its a closed poverty and scarcity mindset that tries to infect others with the difficulty you found learning it.
2008 I think you should look at what other products have Platinum in them there must be other applications that are not so hard to find electronics maybe? L. aqua regia is made with . I called around to a few places and they say you can't get nearly that much for them.Taunusstein.com Brick.Ted Mooney. 2008 I have been searching for company or companies that recycle auto catalytic converter to transact business with. 2008 I believe I know how. New Jersey July 19. and believe you can do it with platinum.. California July 22..your use of ounces and the confusion of value may be because the measure of TROY ounces for platinum is different from a standard ounce i believe MARCUS Hardy . i want a direct dealer. I have done this with gold. Please explain. P. What's the name of the refinery? Did you actually fill up a 55 gallon barrel full of the beads and sell it for $20. 2008 just a quick note. Georgia July 21. Collins Emeka Ali wholesaler . company that buy complete cat converter or buy those that have been removed from the case.Brunswick. you will need to dissolve it in a hot aqua regia.000 to a refinery in CA. Africa and Asia. but it is dangerous. 2008 Hey Dale you said that you can ship a 55 gallon barrel full of CC beads to a refinery in CA.Atlanta. finishing. Georgia July 22. Hessen. calculated in kg? I get my goods from Europe. Garret Boyer . Mims Research . or did you just hear from someone that you could sell them for that much. Germany July 20.E.Vista.
Chuck was the smartest and closest poster yet. the fumes and smoke are . but seriously folks. to get the $50. after you dissolve the platinum you can recover it by filtering out the acid through a coffee filter. Well.Bremerton. titanium. Georgia August 8. and kryptonite and stuff. platinum.blog. note: Regarding theft of catalytic convertors. here's a message from a Firefighter/EMT/Hazmat Tech: You have no more business doing "do it yourself" metallurgy of this type than you have making your own fireworks or booze. never mind.000 worth of palladium. Next take it to an area far away from human traffic . 2008 hey I'm touss in ga and want to know more about selling these cats i have in my junk cars! please do help who buys them and how much? touss black auto sales . Washington Ed. acids are very dangerous when you heat them. See you soon. After the melt has cooled cover half of it with chemically pure nitric acid. the melting point of platinum is 1755°C. Wait.com/cars/2008/02/asplatinum-soa.) Fred Weivraer . please at least warn the folks at 9-1-1 before you start. this makes the acid start to work. Michigan August 4. uranium. I got me some cat converters we found just hangin off the cars in the walmart parkin lot. cover the remainder with water. You will have to crack the ceramic in a few places to accelerate the melt.morrow.html July 30.Grand Rapids. I am not sure about platinum. what? Oh. This can be done in a 30 gallon steel barrel with a crucible inside.hydrochloric and nitric acids. much hotter than gold at 1063°C I hope this helps and gives you enough information that you will be able to make a good decision on is it really worth it! Dennis Misenar . And don't ask me to do too much readin! (No. see-.wired. It is best to use a large ceramic coated cooks pot so you don't have to transfer the liquid later. However keep in mind that it can be extremely dangerous if you are not constantly paying attention. gold appears as a white powder on the filter. 2008 I am going to explain the easiest way to do this. 2008 Hey. First you take the contents of the CC whether it be beads or honeycomb and melt it. and me and some of my buds here in the trailer park are thinkin of settin up an advanced precious metals extraction lab in my shed (thinkin of callin it "Hazmat Heaven") and I wanna know from you people what's a cheap easy way I can learn from one post.
Petersburg. All must be MELTED (smelted)to a liquid or semi-liquid state in order to separate it from all other metals/minerals/waste. All metals give off varying degrees of toxic fumes during the smelting process. Mercury. What is the process for extraction/recovery of platinum from vehicle catalytic converters that makes it "risky" or "near-impossible" ? . Zinc. Tin. 2008 A query to Chuck . Does this not fit in with your description of the two metals being melted? As I see it for any one who has. Aluminum.truly DEADLY... there is always danger in attempting to extract precious or semi-precious metal due to the heat and gas-release aspect. REMEMBER this is very dangerous but it works Angelo C retired . Some metals must undergo multiple smeltings to be purified to a level which makes "recovery/collection" feasible. I've carried out a literature search the results of which indicate that with the crucible furnace approach the temperature of the contents of the crucible must be such as to melt the precious metal under consideration for it to form a button of metal in the bottom of the mould. Put this on an old gas barbecue with a side burner and heat it .. you have been rather shy in coming back with answers but you may come back on this one. Carry out a large scale fire assay approach and add litharge to the flux mix.Palmerston North. If any of you readers try this approach please report back on the minimum amount of litharge you can use and don't be so damn secretive. Steel.Hi Chuck. take what is left in the bottom of the pot to a refiner and they will refine it and pay you much more than you will get if you sell them whole. Platinum . Florida August 21. Yes. the acid will eat everything but gild and platinum metals .St. Copper. This means it takes a crucible furnace that can melt bronze if you want to recover silver or gold but you need a special crucible furnace that can reach above the upper limit of iron to at least melt the palladium which would act as a carrier metal for platinum which melts at a higher temperature. Iron. 2008 . Different metals require different temperatures to melt/smelt/separate. Sliver.. Bob Keen . The PbO is reduced to lead which acts as a carrier metal for the precious metals. then dissolve the lead (and the palladium will also go) out of the button with nitric acid leaving the platinum behind. or can build a crucible furnace capable of melting bronze your still in the picture. Gold. New Zealand August 22.
rch Richard Howell .. There are easier ways to scrounge up fifty bucks. Like how to separate the platinum from the other elements. G'Day ! . As an outsider having come in this subject with an impartial point of view and having reached a conclusion. just curious . 2008 My. let me say to others before they post: IF YOU ARE THINKING OF TRYING TO GET INTO THE PRECIOUS METALS EXTRACTION BUSINESS AS A SMALL TIME PERSONAL BUSINESS.cathode and anode for a 7 kw solid oxide fuel cell to produce electricity..Houston. Keep up the good work.and the ceramic that are found in cat converters.. And further is it possible and feasible and cost effective? William Perry researcher .. Alabama October 27. It is a risky criminal venture and you'll be making probably about $50 off of it. what a strange and interesting corner of the internet this is to have stumbled into. Can anyone steer me in the right direction and method to obtain the elements that is inside the catalytic converter.. IF YOU ARE THINKING OF STEALING CATALYTIC CONVERTERS TO SELL FOR PROFIT. This requires $millions.. Texas October 13. 2008 Hi I have a reactor for leaching catalysts same catalytic convertors process is simple and . Ted. 2008 I am trying to come up with enough platinum from an automobile's catalytic converters to build the stacks. DON'T. foundry equipment.West Blocton. Cheers Ian Vollers .e.. i. Mississippi August 26. Forget it. You can only profit from refining the platinum if you are set up to do it in a professional working environment. you are truly a wise man replying calmly to a variety of wildly different and equally stupid comments in your own due time.Jackson. DON'T..
Dennis Klabel peddler .please reply. and zinc are hard for me to identify unless I already know what it is. Dave tupps ..Esfahan. If anyone knows of a place it would be most helpful.if not sorry for wasting your time. If you add water to acid. But I will say: DO NOT LISTEN TO Angelo C retired . platinum..... splashing concentrated acid out of the container! If you add acid to water. Anyhow it's not anyone's place to say you shouldn't experiment with these suggestions. and never the reverse.K. So if you know where to acquire one. you form an extremely concentrated solution of acid initially. the solution that forms is very dilute and the small amount of heat released is not enough to vaporize and spatter it. DIGITAL SCALE $27. 2008 I was given some platinum shavings from my father in law... Petersburg. So Always Add Acid to water.89 2h 00m View all disclaimer December 15.hollis. I don't normally write on forums just read them. 2008 Sorry folks had to say something on the subject. Iran November 12. NEVER ADD WATER TO ACID.Lexington.. most discoveries are made from mistakes after all. November 21.effective recovery platinum is 97% in this process we load pacol catalyst about 15 KG then add sodium cyanide 60 liter 1% after 2 h and 160 c platinum and other precious metals dissolve we recover solution on anionic resin after burning resin we have pure platinum then this platinum purified.. FL. Mahmoodbeigi .St. 2008 I need to find the device that is used to identify which precious metal I have acquired.. Alaska . U. Kentucky 6 ACID GOLD TEST KIT + PLUS ONE 600 GR... Travis Watkins . Wales. Some precious metals are obvious but. I don't know how much of it is pure or not but I'm having a hard time finding a place i can sell to.aluminum.Swansea..silver. So much heat is released that the solution may boil very violently.
So much heat is released that the solution may boil very violently. Regards. simple or not. the heat of liberation can be great enough to flash that droplet of water to steam and blow concentrated acid out of the mixing container.let's pretend I have a 5 gallon pail with 1 gallon of hydrochloric acid in it. Petersburg. you can have a situation where that droplet is surrounded by concentrated acid and as it begins to mix. at my place of employment. This isn't just book stuff. Most of the new questions have been answered farther back. Now. FL. and never the reverse. everyone should be allowed to experiment with these processes and perhaps learn a better way to extract these precious metals. and then you'll never have a problem wondering whether the acid is weak enough to keep you out of trouble. finishing. Never been a problem with it. this is called the heat of liberation. it seems that some haven't even read the whole forum. P.. But Angelo is correct about the principle. I must fill a 55 gallon drum with 10 gallons of hydrochloric acid and then dilute with 45 gallons of water. I think that you should read up and lean the do and don'ts of the process but in the end.. New Jersey December 19. Chris Jones . I am only changing the volume of acid. Once weekly. it's real stuff that has injured many people.. Ted Mooney. it may cause no problem. If you add water to acid.. The principle is that if a droplet of water is added to strong acid. This has been done this way every week since the place opened in 1967.com Brick. So Always Add Acid to water. I add another gallon of the same acid to the 5 gallon pail." I completely disagree. . 2008 "DO NOT LISTEN TO Angelo Casa retired .. 2008 I must add that thus far. splashing concentrated acid out of the container! If you add acid to water. not the concentration.St.December 21. you form an extremely concentrated solution of acid initially. and it's the safe procedure to learn. When water and acid are mixed. If you add water to an acid which is already sufficiently diluted..E. NEVER ADD WATER TO ACID.Neenah Wisconsin Hi. As for being informed and the morality of "stealing" a process. heat is produced.. Chris. the solution that forms is very dilute and the small amount of heat released is not enough to vaporize and spatter it.
The cats actually catch these metal particles. if you can see through the end it is hollow. Some scrap yards try to pay you the minimum price ($5). etc. palladium. You may be doing a small favor to the environment. in Monticello MN they have Integrated Recycling. Lisa Harrison hobbyist . Good luck and be careful. do so.not the bio diesel one ) ? Fahd Mellal . Canada December 26. Better to have the money in your pocket than someone else's.Ottawa. if it does. as for half full half empty they are talking bout how much stuff is inside the cat. Others that actually take into consideration about the money they will make off you.. 2009 Ok I understand everybody's concern in the welfare of other's safety. Think about it.The real reason. The process of extracting these materials was only partially aired on TV not too long ago where the spokesman of the company let slip that cats do the same filtering and collecting as his plant does through filtering emissions. Ontario. adding to the cat's original metal content... they have the best cat prices. This makes the cats more valuable than they actually started off as and this discovery had been made some 30 years ago. Canada December 31. (no good) also if you shake it it should not make a noise if it is full. I can understand but just cutting the cats open and the shipping all the insides to someone who is more trained and . 2008 I thinking what most of the people want to know is if there is a complete prefabricated system we can buy and use to extract this metals.Alberta. sell it for about $100 (where it just seems to be an old piece of junk) The gentleman had shown a tray of blackish powder and stated that its contents were platinum and palladium (mostly) and was worth over 3 million dollars. that I am responding is if you check up about gas and other such fossil fuel emissions. This is why you can buy a $200 cat and 5 years later. is there any companies who sell these system ? (the Metals recovering system . you will learn that gold. You are in fact collecting these precious materials for someone else to make a lot of profit. even though the process is complex enough. some places even pay up to a hundred. will pay 50-75 dollars. Minnesota January 7. are found in these fuels and are released into the air upon burning.. the cat is still worth something just not the full price.. like the bio diesel making system . 2008 Cats are worth about $50-75 when the scrap prices are good. Mike Brown . but the refineries wouldn't be there unless it was absolutely worth it. there are places all around Minnesota that buy old cats.. If you can refine it yourself though the above mentioned process by the others.Willmar.. platinum. though.
and I have heard of someone who has been hit 3 times. Thank You BRAD Bradley Kemp . I ran across this after the catcon was stolen from under my 4Runner whilst at the grocery store. 2009 I spent the time reading through every post that was made. Do not ask me if the catcon is worth someone's life. Pennsylvania January 17. Good luck . change your policies to force sellers of catcons to provide their photo ID. Mine was stolen yesterday while it was parked outside my apartment. as well as license plate number. that someone seeking the "easy" (read that as idiot's) way to extract the precious metals is more than likely a thief. Food for thought: If you don't want to take the time to read these posts or want to learn then your setting yourself up for failure. If there is a way that I can do this please share. In Seattle alone its a huge business stealing cats and from the looks of it its spreading all over the US. ask the scumbag thief if his/her life is worth getting caught.Round Rock. 2009 Hello all. and I know of many people in my area who will be protecting their vehicles with a shotgun.Pittsburgh. rather. it is now legal in Texas to kill someone who is stealing from you.experienced with the right resources in this type of field sounds like a good idea to me. and possibly take a photo of the seller to insure that they can be reached if it turns out they have been buying and selling stolen parts. make and model of their vehicle. Michael Manning . Texas January 31. If you are a scrap dealer. BTW. This is becoming an epidemic. But from what I have noticed is 75% of the people that were asking about which ones were worth more or demanding to know how to refine/extract the rare minerals out are the thieves. The thieves have been stealing from hard working people who may not really to be able to afford replacement parts. Just remember. I am just curious to see what type of money can really be made I am never shy of a new business venture. There was a lot of good info that was given and very helpful.
I suggest learning chemistry well enough to know what is happening. The bottom line is: There is no great mystery to metals refining and it is not hard. I put myself out of business. Giving the fruits of that labor for free assigns no value to my work. Regards. and welding smoke to attract attention. New Jersey February 5. hadn't encountered catalytic converter theft -.but that has changed. I'm not going to use Ted's site to promote another.David Fiiola . Ted Mooney. I am not going to tell you how to refine the Platinum Group Metals (PGMs) either. Also. a local cop. 2009 Okay. They just do as they saw their boss do. finishing. and get the same results. 2009 Hi. Why? Because I paid for my education. That being said.com Brick. So as this trend of catalytic converter theft continues to spread. note that knowledge is power. because "better" can be code for "easier to steal". in time and research and experimentation and labor. I can't take it anymore. Sorry that you were a victim of this theft.no saw or torch. There is so much confusion and disinformation in this thread I just had to say something. You can Google books on inorganic chemistry and just download . P. If we knew which posters (if any) were thieves. Once I tell the world that. Google it. we wouldn't print their inquiries :-) I reported earlier that my son. David. light. He noted that on some new models the converter can be removed with wrenches .Seattle Washington February 2. Most people refining these metals don't have a clue as to the chemistry involved. and that has made them targets (because thieves can rob them en masse from a car dealership with less noise. there is a gold refining website I saw that tells you a lot more than I would have. First. Second. The only way a small minority refiner can compete with larger more well heeled refiners is to have figured out a way to do the job smarter and cheaper. we are editing postings that claim that particular converters are 'better' to get hold of than others.E. We'll let specialty sites that carry more detail guide the readers on which converters are more valuable.
it isn't even a process for PGMs.. However this is a teaser. or for Cat Con substrate. (And the term reflux might confuse many). This actually will get you some PGMs. You also don't have to use Nitric acid. safely if you build your own scrubbers. in the library more than 30 years ago and use a search engine to find the modern terms for the archaic ones he uses (Although we still use "aqua regia"). You should have the same level of knowledge and training needed for those. I don't plan on giving you a guide to how I make my living. Or read De Re Metallica.. just a process someone tried to adapt to PGMs. It's no more dangerous than plating or finishing. April 30.. There are safer substitutes. treat with Ammonium chloride. There are other oxidizers..If you can't understand that then you're out of luck. you NEVER need to use Cyanides or hydrofluoric acid. The best you will get is micro-beads embedded in flux. April 24. as I did. 2008 I too used to think like most of you until I talked to a gentleman who owns a bronze sculpture foundry. BTW the metals from fire refining will be nowhere near pure. A Crucible and crucible furnace is all you need along with some borax and silica sand. Why would you use silica sand to flux an aluminosilicate? With the low temp of a bronze furnace. So.and read them. wash with HCl. .. ++++++ Recovery is dangerous and shouldn't be attempted by an untrained individual though. you would need a much more aggressive flux and the metals won't drop anyway. The base metals also have value and will help you stay profitable. and then you have almost pure platinum and palladium. Why reinvent the wheel? Forget this manner completely. +++++++ The process to do so is known as carbochlorination and the simplified textbook definition of the process is as follows: .. but not all contained.. there is no simpler. from this point on I am going to go over these posts from the start and add input. with cheap readily available chemicals. There are many available online from the 1800s and early 1900s. HNO3). it is someone trying to find a new more complicated way to do it. step by step method of doing this. This is nonsense. I am also going to suggest that all of you get rich quick guys. 2008 Reflux the honeycomb in aqua regia (HCl. There are a few more needed steps you are not told . I in turn found out the secret. You can get it easily and cheaply (free for electronics in most municipalities). you can refine it at room temperature. This is not the ordinary way to do it. As an aside. dry and heat to 500 C to remove impurities. but I do want to help stop people from doing "stupid human tricks" in the mistaken belief they are learning something. strain the resulting solution and dispose of the ceramic. For that matter. drop Cat Converters and concentrate on electronic scrap and low grade plated stuff. evaporate. Wha??? I don't know where to start on this one. without heat (or w/ slight solar) in plastic buckets and barrels.
but simply highly purified metals. won't be pure enough for a plater) you will. muriatic acid so you can mix them in the right amounts to make the acid that is needed to extract the metals.. I agree: you're no rocket scientist. August 8. let's all just assume this guy is joking.. platinum and palladium and saved a filtrate of silver chloride (and maybe some mercury and lead chloride). dental lab. In most of these posts no one has examined the question of what to do with it once you have refined it. July 14. 2008 I am going to explain the easiest way to do this. there's the rub. Melt ceramic in a ceramic pot? How about melting ice in a block of ice? Chemically pure nitric acid? What is that? Water makes the acid work? Trust me. Therefore your goal is not to produce absolutely pure metals. Electric kilns are not a good idea.after you dissolve the platinum you can recover it by filtering out the acid through a coffee filter. Chuck was the smartest and closest poster yet. July 22. commercial (technical) nitric will work very vigorously without adding water. still be selling to a refiner. 2008 ... you dumped the gold. and Sodium Nitrate to remove the impurities from the gold.. The reason you refine your metals is to separate them so you can't be beaten in an assay or weighing. You just told everyone to mix an acid with itself to extract. 2008 Perhaps the key to it is the flux's that Chuck uses! Any comments. August 21. gold appears as a white powder on the filter Hope you didn't dump all that funny yellow green colored solution after you kept your "white powder on the filter".Where do you sell your gold when your done? Ah. July 4.where is this guy? The EPA will lock your ass up. You will not get pure precious metals with fire refining. Unless you have an end user (caster.... He will take his cut. In a jewelry melt it will not separate the silver or palladium.I was thinking of using an electric kiln capable of 2300 F. People. in the end. 2008 Carry out a large scale fire assay approach and add litharge to the flux mix This melt will take hours to drop the metals. depending on how you used your nitric. Period. you might also have saved tin on the filter. Fumes and smoke. 2008 And by the way if your still wanting to try it all your selves. 2008 . In a really bizarre case... fluoride. The lead fumes will get you an EPA summons. Chuck? Chuck's method as listed is claptrap. along with a graphite crucible The crucible will not last long with those oxidizing fluxes and you will need an awful lot of flux. then you will need hydrochloric acid. . . However keep in mind that it can be extremely dangerous if you are not constantly paying attention.use a combination of these five chemicals Manganese Dioxide. June 13. .. But he points you in the right direction.. Borax.here. If so.. Silica flour. Could you use these same chemicals when melting jewelry? This is for fire refining.
silver. a test stone. Gary. I also found the chemistry itself to be fascinating. 2009 Thanks. that was quite an exposition! Regards. October 27. that I am responding is if you check up about gas and other such fossil fuel emissions. Or get the test stone and the empty bottles and make your own.You will spend more money on fuel and litharge than you will make in PGMs. Wrong. Examining the slag under a microscope... etc. and during the sulfuric acid treatment of the petroleum. as far as efficiencies and techniques. set up safely. aluminum. 2008 I need to find the device that is used to identify which precious metal I have acquired. 2008 The real reason. palladium. The metals in the fuels would be captured in the asphalt tailings left from distillation.. you will still see metal beads that didn't drop. you will learn that gold. The slag will be loaded with lead and illegal to dump except as a hazardous waste. Nothing NEEDS to be melted until you are ready to make it into a bar. 2008 All must be MELTED (smelted)to a liquid or semi-liquid state in order to separate it from all other metals/minerals/waste. Hydro-metallurgy is. This sounds like an Eco Urban Myth to me. NO ONE inquiring should ever touch cyanide.. For the other metals. Good luck guys. 1 bottle of nitric plus table salt. December 19.Mount Vernon. what do you do to recover the palladium? August 22. and zinc are hard for me to identify unless I already know what it is. Pyro-metallurgy is not the way for the small operator to go. Do your research first. platinum. check this website for posts on testing the various metals. . 2008 in this process we load pacol catalyst about 15 KG then add sodium cyanide From what I have seen from the posts here. I received a lot of enjoyment in refining by making little discoveries no one else had. New York February 12. Gary Wilson . November 21. 1 bottle of nitric. If you dissolve the lead and palladium. though. The metals in the exhaust are from your engine parts wearing and oxidizing and blowing past the rings via the oil. Some precious metals are obvious but. and have fun on your projects. and a set of test needles. platinum. Get a test kit from a jewelers supply company. are found in these fuels.
Typically the prices that you find online for semi-precious and precious metals are for a specific grade . I think if I cut the cats. 2009 EASY MONEY. and your assay cost per kilo drops. . Right? Hello. again more problems. But. you will NOT get anywhere near top dollar. Here is where economies of scale come in. finishing. I have played with acids (hydrofluoric) and others and created more problems than I started with in the "simple" recovery of gold from rock. New Jersey February 12. I am going back to primitive for gold recovery and will let the professionals do their thing with the platinum. 4 nines purity. If your metal does not meet the grade. one of which I will expand on: how to sell the metal once it's purified. 2009 The company I work for refines semi-precious metals to semiconductor grade (7 nines). This generally means getting a representative sample of your batch assayed. or 99. Good luck to any one who wants to do this in their garage. 2009 i smelted my catalytic converter with a torch and got a silver metal of about the size of 4 quarters i was wondering what type of metal it is thanks yev yevgeniy ganchenko hobbyist. I appreciate the knowledge of others who are looking to recover platinum from cats. P. Oregon March 4. Gary Wilson has made some excellent points. I have also tried to smelt the gold from my cons using a furnace and flux.Medford. increased hazard and risk. Scott Myers . who's going to buy it? Most of . the more your potential buyer is going to expect you to prove the purity. resulting in a certificate of analysis. California March 27.g. I will get more for my time and less potential lose to my health. but with my limited desire to play with extremely or mildly dangerous chemicals and also stay alive I will skip this. make your batch really big. Going to an assay lab to get a single sample assayed is not cheap. The chemical process seems to be the best.Sacramento. and so on. separate the honeycomb. and will cut into your profits significantly.99% pure. I am not stupid nor a scientist. Now even if you've spent the money to get your Pt assayed.com Brick. with larger batches comes larger setup and equipment costs. The more valuable a metal is. The methods that Chuck suggested in heating will probably work if you have a better understanding of this process than I do.E.Ted Mooney.e.
I too am interested in refining Plat. would be to follow the advice of Dale R. My question is. .you've never heard of PPE. for the informative site. The easiest money.hopefully I'll find an equally entertaining thread to read! Al E .you don't know the difference between a gram and an ounce.you don't know the difference between HCl and muriatic acid. ( www. in my opinion.you think there's some sort of conspiracy afoot simply because no one is telling you what you WANT to hear. 2009 .Glovertown NL Canada April 4. Yes. my all-time favorite is letter -. but if you don't have access to the customers who can and will pay top dollar. I have read through this entire thread as some others have. Ted. and won't cost yours or your family's health. has anyone tried to zone refine Pt? Thanks. Al. After reading this entire thread.shorinternational. By the way. .you're just not listening. . It would seem the obvious and safest way would be to salvage the converters and store the guts of them into a drum for resale at a later date. Canada ---Ed. note: if you're looking for entertainment in the dialogs. .you have to be a qualified supplier or have a quality management system in place (in other words ISO certification). but leave the refining for someone else. my advice to some of you is that you shouldn't bother trying to extract the Pt yourself if: .British Columbia.com) if so what were you results? Thanks Glenn Glenn Burry . Concentrate the Pt. easier. does anybody have any experience with the iShor system. 2009 Hi Ted. In fact they're trying to tell you what you NEED to hear .you don't know what a fume hood is. you won't likely get top dollar.you think a complex process such as Pt-extraction. I plan to return .the companies we deal with cannot buy from just anyone . It's cleaner.Ted 12044 :-) March 30. or brain surgery can be explained in a simplistic step-by-step fashion via a blog. . you will be able to sell your metal to someone out there.
and said that he was driving over to his dealer. to filters. At that point. I left with him at the end of the day. to Kitco. to sell at 90% of spot.). bullion. depending on quality. I was hooked. had trouble moving. rejected some. to what might be in Grandma's drawer. based on karats of course. A "gold buyer" bought two laptops. whether the customer might come back. etc. deny it. ambiance. and it's heavier than Pt!!! :) Of course I then ended up at "retrieving gold from computer parts". That lead me to extraction. car. the discovery of Pt. coins. he had the gold packed up. He said those types of things come back to you. The seller sat in a chair for a full 30 minutes! He made a few calls on his cell. repeatedly. the gold is in the contacts. watches. That simple. With no malice at all. He sold the gold. if there were other items in the weight (stones. from bullion and bars to coins and jewelry. Pentiums not so much. sell amounts based over spot. a watch movement). etc. from Karat percentages. The old man made an offer. He used a calculator to reduce the weights to actual gold content. Judging by the equipment. I have spent the last five hours of my life. etc. or spread the word to others. sometimes on the PCBs. up until this moment. he once used a very expensive looking specific gravity machine because he wasn't sure about a piece. While there. While working this morning I constantly got sidetracked searching for gold ounce.This has been fascinating! I work on computer systems for small offices. I installed the equipment. and wireless printer from me last week for his new location. junk. the old man said no. price of gold. he stone tested it with acids. a router. to Monex. to other acids. or other factors. kept others. etc. potentially wasting a beautiful Saturday afternoon. in the processors. from Platinum to Gold to Silver to Rhodium to Palladium. to the . That's the business. to flame assay. I was interested. from contracts to futures. upped it by $100 once. I must admit. He was an old man.) The customer would either accept the price. then he quoted a price. from refiners to traders to storage facilities. because she had a sick child with her. From breaking up the parts first. (He paid one woman more than 70%. I witnessed at least six transactions with actual customers. or they might haggle for a few minutes. Did you prospectors know this is used in cell phone capacitors. to grams to ounces. it seemed as though he is no longer working out of a necessity for money. On Friday. because of low corrosion. then told the man that if he left the offer would be void. based on 55% to 70% of spot. but a necessity for something else. He literally begged to be able to leave and check a few places. from buy amounts based on spot. and help him set up a simple Excel spreadsheet for the weight/karat/price calculations. computers being my own acquired skill. 486s are good. to aqua regia. He weighed the material (necklaces. I read about alchemy. glued to the laptop. I even spent a good ten minutes a good ten minutes on Tantalum. One customer had a 135 grams between a bracelet and a watch. and they shook hands with an air of respect. From eBay.
You can't ask the questions: How do I trade futures? How do I open a bank? How do I transplant a heart? How do I program a computer? etc. he loves computers like me. I started to feel bad. The alchemists were great. but I didn't have the time to teach. recast. I was speechless. I found myself at the client's office at 3 pm on a Saturday. The basic frustration of not JUST BEING TOLD HOW. others have not.philosopher's stone. He had his home computer hooked up. People who earn. based on a limited skill set. To quote another poster "quite an unusual an interesting corner of the internet". I attempted to talk about languages. I came across cats. or just have. Eventually. based on brute force or labor. He reminded me of myself when I was his age. I would see this young man every couple of weeks. even 90s are good. But still. Not ever in recent memory. They were stored on a shelf for ten years. That's how I found this site in my searches. And I never post. reports of thefts. Which. With hopeful eyes he asked "How can I make a game like Warcraft?" He looks up to me as knowledgeable. Did you know that the Nobel peace prizes for two Danes were dissolved in Aqua Regia. The barrage of questions never ended. but not as good after that. I have never spent this much time reading a forum. What? Catalytic Converters? This of course led me to junkyards. a few weeks ago. I love Ted's well mannered and well thought out mediations. I figured if I opened this can of worms. and presented again after WWII. and. 70s. is an understood human condition. multiple skill sets required. . based on sales and networking. Acquired skill sets are a unique tool. they were getting more insightful. industry articles. understand this. Somewhere in the mix of gold extraction. automotive sites. I was asked the last question several months ago by a young 14 year old boy. and my work was done. it might never end. Then to American. to his credit. Some people have taken the time to acquire them. was the surprise of the day. then extracted. who is the son of one of my clients. he couldn't sit at a computer and even start. so the Nazis wouldn't steal them. or based prior family success just don't seem understand this. after markets no good. even amongst all this great information. 60s. Foreign. pre-cors also have value. People whose work is repetitive. The son was there. acquired skill sets. (spring break. graphic and sound files.
maybe make a few posts. filters. you should have seen the look on this kid's face. so I sat down. recorded with Goldwave and incorporated into Visual Studio. and set up a table in the driveway. contact a refiner. strip the core yourself (I am a fairly well acquainted with light contracting and auto repair. I would fail miserably. and a small bullet that fired when the space bar was pushed. is to buy them right. We downloaded Paint Shop Pro. etc. That is the most profitable position in the supply chain that you can put yourself in with the lowest risk and knowledge. and I can't wait to see what he's come up with. I might spend a couple hundred on buckets. He did it all. This would be at the end of what would have become an . that when pushed prints "Hello World!". and collect the honeycomb/beads. It's like a small bank account. I imagine I can figure this out with experimentation. This is not a discipline that will net you profit in the short term. As with my friend above. but a small price to pay when put in perspective. maybe a good vise. Just keep them for a minute. real estate is tough right now). etc. If you've got a hundred or so. do some more searches. whether you actually end up with enough to be profitable is almost moot. 1 to 3 weekends a month. I'd rather spend a couple weekends learning. and trailed off the screen. watching. I'd probably be able to extract a small globule. I had some time. I don't necessarily want you to tell. I taught. I just might buy a couple books on hydro-metallugry. Guys and Gals. a few scrapes on my knuckles and forearms.). that was played when the bullet fired. a couple higher grade saw blades. After reading for a couple of weekends. My conclusion from today is that the best method of profiting from cats. I would venture outside and try to extract from a core. that is often considered the ceremonial start of every programmer's career. His father said he hasn't left the computer since! I'm sure we'll have another session. that gives the human motivation to develop skill. moving around the screen at the command of the arrow keys. For those that aren't acquainted. Goldwave (for sound). I started him off with a one-button form. upset the girlfriend. In the meantime. from the last position of the image. bowls. The Pt is the reward. socializing. and maybe finishing up with beers and pizzas. is far more valuable. I never touched the keyboard. I would then humble myself. pick up an old kitchen hood for sure. To those of you here that have such skills. acids. if only you were local.and he had to go into the office with his dad everyday. Even the academic license is over $300. Three hours later he had a still picture of a little man. After three to six months. of less than 1 gram of Pt. it is the enticement of reward. It felt great. The skill acquired if actually successful. The only casualty is that Dad will probably have to buy the full version of Visual Studio. read some more. and the true point of the journey. end up with something I don't know what to do with. There was a small laser sound that the kid made into the microphone below the monitor. and a trial copy of Visual Studio. contributing.
deliberate. 2 Lexus LS400). SKILL. I would have a reasonable set of beginner hydro-metallurgy skills. and creates responsibility. permanent endeavor. attentive. and acquiring skill over time. (or woman) PLENTY of wonderful women in science. 2009 I have honeycomb material from several used converters. Ted. In the end.eight to fifteen step tedious. to train the mind. time and materials.. read more. Perhaps one day the Matrix programming disks will be available. the amount recovered might justify my streamlined process. California . You can't cheapen the knowledge acquired by great scientists. Ross Lerner . it's just that it doesn't work that way. Jason Jegge buyer . It's not that people don't want to tell you. There is just as much joy in And more importantly. just to use it in a weekend to make a buck.Louisville. I'd spend even more time on this. gold plated jewelry. It is quite the reverse. etc. I have attempted to address a theme that is central to this thread. acquired skill. That's how acquired skill works. try more variations. and patient men. I know you have a position against ad hominem posts. I hope I have accomplished my goal. computer boards. The old man knows gold and jewelry.. It has to be acquired. it won't be as much fun. I will have acquired some very valuable. you have to put in the time. the difference wouldn't justify the TOTAL labor. But. and very satisfying KNOWLEDGE. combs. hard workers. S. and networking. the man will make himself wealthy. I would be able to justify the labor and materials required for the profit. It would be able to consistently extract metal from beads. After another three to six months. But. "Give me a chopper pilot program Tank!" But trust me. unless I chose this as a new. gold filled jewelry. Some of the people on this forum know metallurgy. and EXPERIENCE.San Jose.. the learning tempers the spirit. No matter what. Kentucky April 6. Where can I have it sent for processing. By being patient. time-consuming process. At that point. six to nine months total. programming. We only have time for so many. and is there a typical amount expected (1 Honda..EUREKA!!!! It would feel great! I'd be damn proud of my little gram of Pt! I'd step up my efforts. over time. but I really hope you include this. I think I'll find that if I just sold my cores I would have made enough money. and people! I know small office computers.
After reading this though I have a real practical question. If you have a yard with a tree cast a rope around a heavy branch and tie up the cat.Barranquilla. maybe I've been breathing too many cc fumes but it is close and has a lot of the elements. Virginia May 5. 2009 i have read all of the forums but I have yet to understand where do you sell them !!!! i live in NC and i am still trying to understand who do i sell to a refinery or a recycler. After many months of experimenting with acids I have finally recovered some gold from electronic scrap. thanks bec becky wilhelm car business . Alonso Borrero hobbyist .April 18.I was actually looking up information for symptoms of a clogged catalytic converter (cc) & since I usu. but also and just as important is the freedom of information point I'd like to share. Provide each kid with a steel bar and have them take turns beating on the cat.Springfield. granulate the new alloy. look pretty thoroughly I eventually found a site that says one probably could sell the cc if replacing so then I decided to look up selling cc and found this. Get the neighborhood kids over to the house and tell them the cat is a pinada. which after page one I was hoping the pages wouldn't go too fast but now I have to get back to my original task of troubleshooting my car but have been sucked into this post this is to me a microcosm of everything people have been discussing since Plato and beyond. Best to all Bob Bayle government . Repeat these steps until all precious metals have been retrieved. to have your own arc-furnace? Can this be done in your backyard? Thank you. If they are disappointed that there was no candy tell then the next Cat you are going to hang has the candy. I wonder how expensive will it be. I see it basically at present like this: if looking in the long term no ones goals really contradict unless they are destructive what I mean is that if you are a small business person (who I admire) you might want to have your work trademarked. Atlantico. you should smelt the whole "catcon" in an electric arc-furnace with scrap steel. 2009 Hello and here's my 2 cents (which if smelted or melted or schmelted is not as much as two cents from a century ago but I digress) . Colombia April 30.newton North Carolina May 13. 2009 I have found the perfect. patented or copyrighted etc for a time being to enjoy the fruits of your labor and opt . Will it be possible to recover pgm's from catalytic converters? I've read that. reasonably cheap means to extract the Precious Metals from the Cat. dissolve with sulfuric acid and the precious metals will be left behind. Once the cat has been ruptured tell them to pick up all the metal that falls out and place in the bucket for recovery. 2009 Hi.
Some . converters have came up in conversation. and he claims that for the trouble it is worth. and I have to hand it to you guys. Thomas Key .. and the money they make is also going to the benefit of the economy and who knows potentially but it does require the teacher to be an anode to the cathode but they wouldn't mind so much if they also got to learn from others that made their steps easier and like I said it in the long run I think is always better. unless you have the equipment to do around 1200 converters at one time it is not worth it.Sarasota.and a lot of people have shared a lot of information. I must add. well they might be the ones who might be more interested so they would know they might be more of a victim Taking that post down I think is just conceding to that fear in the back of our minds of trying to please everybody .we have to expose the weaknesses so we can brainstorm not hide them.. what are you going to do . Most people would not know it. If you have ever seen this mans garage. but you go into buying some of the materials. it looks like a ghetto factory. chemically or by heat you are looking into getting into a lot of money.000 degrees and more. All that said I do understand the market and patents etc so it is up to the individual of course and information cannot be forced to be shared and people should have incentive however we all could be driving hydro cars and be energy independent and have other newer and unknown issues yet to be discovered if we were more long term seers. also I may be a good golfer and share secrets but you'll still never get it till you practice anyways so I would really have no fear in sharing those but I guess we can all agree to disagree and any experience with HHO gas torches to extract metals. have been a little knowledge hungry and may bite the hand that feeds however most are not. Florida July 10.lead by example like Ted . From what I've read I think that using a HHO gas torch may be a good way to get those high temperatures in a safe way what does anyone think? You can look up easily HHO torches they get really hot and cool really fast and they are real just like oxy or butane the flame itself is only 259 F but when in contact with other metals can get up to 10. Ted you are doing a good job and I also have enjoyed your thoughtful approach. Think of it this . in their own way and it is informative I mean I don't expect anyone to actually hand me a free cc now. Anyway.I understand that. you would know it if you seen it.full free information always (in the long term maybe not the short) has unanimous good results and do not contradict each other that is why a country like the USA has prospered and why secretive ones stay stagnant and dark but I am looking at things in decades not days . also the other side of the coin (I did say my two cents lol) if people from a young age and all through history shared information and it was accessible to everyone we may not even be having this discussion . just look at the examples of software and computer viruses etc open source is a good thing and hiding information is actually more destructive and is only a mirage of safety which is actually more destructive. it's laid out pretty straightforward here. There is a not so intelligent person who works with said family member who has been able to refine and extract such metals. and another example goes to taking off the posts which displayed what cars have better value for their cc so they are not as much of victims. 2009 My brother-in-law works in such a refinery.not a lot. and tools used for separating metals.it would be basic 6th grade or 3rd grade science and we'd probably be exploring for platinum on other star systems because if the new learner always got to learn from all the mistakes from the teacher (I'll say) then their time could be cut and they would have new mistakes not yet made to learn from and so on.
anyone could do it with enough effort. Don't seem to much harder then flipping a burger. etc. The weekend after that you will most likely end up with your substance in pure form. DO NOT try using chemicals that you don't understand.000 dollars for the basic materials and equipment. if you really think you have all of the money to get into something like this from a dead start. and techniques used to extract said metals would not really be cost effective unless you had a bunch of them to do at one time ( kind of hints to why they have giant refinery places to do such things ). Next thing I know I am going to see one of the names from this thread swearing they can make sticks of TNT from a candle and gunpowder with chewing gum. no qualification. . maybe around 1.. I am only a 29 year old Well Driller. the correct value of what they have. you can see them especially good at night. possibly even everyone around you. LSD. Please use your head for something more then a hat rack people.. your going to have even more tied up into it it when someone finds out what your doing because of the danger that your putting other stuff in. and it seems like everyone that was there at the time came to the same conclusion. we will say 15. These were step by step instructions and I guess that the chemistry and knowledge involved is way more complicated than purifying metals out of catalysts. ever seen a clogged converter? They get red hot under a car. Joel Langford .000 payout for your customers that you will be having to buy said converters from.. some of this stuff can get dangerous. If smelting in a pot would separate the metals. who not only does not know what they have. Around my area everyone swears to the idea that you can use a smelting pot to separate the metals in a converter.. right? I am now moving on to find the Candlestick TNT blog I was speaking of earlier.way. not to mention that you have to have a safe place to set up said refinery. especially with no knowledge.. Please for your safety and the those around you. 2009 There used to be instructions online spanning over several pages on how to synthesize illicit drugs. If it was so cost effective to do it in such small amounts. The trouble that our friend had was that there is no one who is respectively going to buy said metals from a person.1500 degrees would not just turn these metals directly to liquid? These are not lead fishing weights people. No knowledge required. the other weekend you will be preparing and organizing the equipment and the most difficult part will be to actually obtain the chemicals. do you really think that exhaust at like 900 . North Carolina July 13. MDMA. You spent one weekend looking up the terms and chemicals and understanding the process. at this point your just wanting a grown child's chem lab in your back yard. it would seem that every town would have 15 or so of the places. Not all metals work that way.Fayetteville. then be our guest you already have enough money to not really need to extract the precious metals. So far on this whole thread I think I have only seen about 3 people that remotely know what they are talking about. and I know a clown walking across a yard with a stick swearing there is water under a patch of dry sand when I see one.. And I am sure you 3 know who you are.. but also would not be a constant resource for them to rely on for buying said materials. amphetamines. We joked about it at his house over a few " select beverages ".
. and whether or not it would be possible to render the ceramics containing these metals into a powder form to use as a mix in a firing glaze for pottery. But after reading the entire post (yes. Dustin. Tim Mooney Timothy Mooney . Iowa ---Ed. a straight and simple instruction would devalue the skills and knowledge required to write it. and am only now venturing into the new world of three-dimensional earthen-ware art.Talbott.Earlham. Dustin B . It's somewhat a pity. I simply want to thank you for your patience and learned knowledge. Tennessee July 13. really. please tell us what the right temperature and combination of chemicals is. and S. kiln and iron pot shall suffice.. My only problem is a lot of the honeycomb broke in pieces as fine as the platinum flakes. its just PVC tubs and clear 3/4 inch hose with a battery charger [link is to product info at Amazon] and a small pump. Germany July 13... that first sculpture. the site's supporting advertisers must be running out of patience being asked to pay the costs of posting other people's ads :-) July 16. grinder. 2009 I have a machine that extracts the pgm's from catalytic converters and it is not the easiest to do It takes a lot of time a nice facility to work in but if you seen the machine you would laugh and call me a liar... It will be an interesting experiment. note: If you do not consider it secret knowledge.. If you are trying to sell this knowledge. with the right combination of chemicals and temperature the pgms get get pulled out onto carbon plates. . As said before. The honeycomb had to be cracked to come out but it came out with the platinum flakes. 2009 I was going to ask a simple question about the CONTENT of precious metals in "cats". when I could. please take an advertisement . every word. Andreas Borchert .The problem will never be to actually do it.Murfreesboro. My hammer.). 2009 I put a hole in a catalytic converter I found while picking up trash(honestly). Other than taking a tweezer to it is there any other way to separate it? Terrance Miller . Ross Lerner's wonderful contribution.. Tennessee . I have ground my own pigments for my paints for forty years. .Berlin. but how to get there.
Just collect Cl gas at one end and H gas at the other (cathode or anode. Steven Smith .Red Bluff. HCl is relatively easy to make by electrolysis of Salt water. 2009--"Pyro-metallurgy is not the way for the small operator to go. 2009 I'm interested in recycling catalytic converters.. My question is: How is the price of converters defined? I would appreciate any help. 2009 So. I received a follow-up phone call and I just told them that I was using the chemicals to extract platinum from catalytic converters. Indiana August 14. I was also looking into the possibility of making my own chemicals when reaching a large scale operation. or do you just melt it down? What seems best? February 5.New York. mix with a small amount of water (in a glass container of course) and you should get it at the 37% concentration. Hydro-metallurgy is". Do you oxidize and dissolve the metal and then reduce it somehow and collect it that way.July 28. Eljon Ago hobbyist .I am kind of stuck because i am not sure what price is good for each catalytic converter. If in case the platinum is infused or trapped in the other materials of the cat. Are there any other solvents able to dissolve these noble metals? Also. New York August 3. HNO3 is harder to manufacture though. Makes sense!!! Hey what are the other safer oxidizing agents you are talking about. California July 30. what is the process of extracting platinum from catalytic converters that have been discussed thus far. I checked Wikipedia and it's a 3 step process. Castor Marconi . God bless. 2009 Ordering the chemicals is not so difficult. gold and platinum can be dissolved in aqua regia. This is theoretical though.Bloomington.. Those 3 should cover the aqua regia. I would put it in a furnace for melting metals and I would leave it in there until all the platinum has melted off and dripped into a place where it could collect. 2009 This is what I would do. I forget). then I would pulverize .
figure that out then ask the questions.Hastings. Simple. and only recently have started looking at metal prices again. Cats do contain a few precious metals as we have learned here..the material first to allow the platinum to melt freely into a high heat resistant container... I think it highly unlikely that a torch would melt any of these materials. a large US made truck with a 6L engine will emit more o2 into the atmosphere than a small Honda with a 1.Sac. UK September 15. Over time the metals do come out of the exhaust and onto the road. Maybe you might have to comply to laws about not releasing fumes into the atmosphere or something. The value is determined by how much the cat would usually contain. Just heat will not suffice for the separation of materials. 2009 I was in scrap metal recycling/reclamation years ago as a family business in the UK and cats were not around then but I know from experience how costly it is to extract these metals. I would guess people on here want a list of vehicles so they can go out tonight with a hack saw. I feel there a few people here that lack the understanding of how a cat works and why.000+ so at that price a manufacturer can afford to spend a little money to manufacture a cat that will last and be efficient. I think that it doesn't take any more than a little commons sense to get the platinum. aftermarket converters are not regulated. Now look at rhodium that melts at 3567 F and Platinum somewhere around 3215 F. Bretto from the Ghetto. Now lets look at the vehicle. All you guys just take a tip from me.6 L and the cat will need to refine the exhausted fumes in larger portion. ZenTed as I will call him! I have never been so deeply engrossed with a forum in the 12 years I have been with internet! I gave up metals in the 1980s to follow my other preoccupation of music composition. Now a new truck sells for around $35. When a car is sold new it must pass omission regulations set by the government. These catalytic converters contain little to no precious metals. As Ted stated a few months back. Top marks to Ted for keeping this forum on a level footing. its AFTERMARKET. happy reclamations xxx Brett Ross ... i must say that some people just lack common sense. California September 3. 2009 After reading some of the responses on the site. Now for the scrap value. and listen to Ted. why can we buy a cat for $60 when they are worth more. Ray Soriano . It all gets melted.. The amount of . Steel and ceramic have a much lower melting point. right? Find out if there are any laws to abide by in melting it.
The older trucks did not have 02 sensors so the first thing a truck owner did for a modification was remove the cat that restricted airflow. Another thing to think about is now scrap dealers want a title to the vehicle it came off of and an ID before they will buy a converter. Hope this helps to enlighten some of the "lets get rich quick" people on here and shows its not smart to try to steal them. the 2 oz cat would probably net you $800 at a scrap yard. It is also illegal to sell a vehicle without a cat and most of the time a dealer wont take a trade on one without it. This means that my 2 cats contain less metals together than 1 of the older and larger ones. Cats contain a FRACTION OF AN OUNCE of precious metals which lightly coats its ceramic contents (honeycomb or beads). Why?? more power and better fuel economy (and it makes it louder too!).ebay) 2)1 part biscuit(wt) 1 part HNO3 (vol) 3 parts HCL (vol) 3)Room temp 3 to 7 days until max colour in AR and biscuit white. Top dollar is around $100 . scrap dealers and "car guys" have known cats are worth something so why is this so new to everyone else? And for the idiot on here that said he wanted to resell them. Everyone has to make a profit in the process so you will never get the $3600 out of it unless you have the pure metal in your hand. Then you take your cats to a dealer and its quick cash. think of the effort involved! Have you ever tried to crawl under a car with a hack saw and cut the 3" steel pipe? It doesn't take minutes. Virginia September 19.Norfolk. 2009 Easy Peasy Tame Aqua regia extraction of PGM blacks (Pd. Oh and o2 sensors contain the precious metals as well!! But you need about 50 pounds of them to make a reasonable amount of money off of them. Crawling under a vehicle. Before we all rush out and start hacking cats off our neighborhood cars.. The you will find that most of the older GM trucks have the cat removed already and a straight pipe in place. Nathan Bastings . you can spend an hour under there without the risk of getting noticed.. an AFTERMARKET cat will get you a whopping $2-$5!! Ford usually $40-$60 and Dodge around $30-$60.$150.Use ceramic bakery bowl . 1) Roast ground biscuit at 500 C in old kiln ($100 US . Rh) from catalytic converters.precious metals is very little and whoever on here said there is as much as 2 oz of metal needs to show me those cats! at somewhere around $1800 an ounce scrap. a sawzall will get it done quickly but is VERY noisy. Its no secret that older GM cats (about the size of a muffler) can get you top dollar at a scrap dealer. I have an 02 Silverado and it has 2 cats rather than the 1 cat in older vehicles. it is illegal to sell a used cat. Pt. they are light weight and untraceable. This isn't a lucrative business and more for the person who lives off $100 a week. it takes a good half hour. The reason for the theft is because its a high and easy return and low risk.
made in china. It is not a rag to riches method of making money. 11) Decant and transfer PGM blacks plus some Zn to 2 l beaker (ebay $10 US approx) 12)Add 1 liter 2N HCL. 16) Find a precious metal dealer who will buy PGM blacks.30 min. ebay refers to New Zealands Trademe which is virtually equivalent. from local hardware store $12 US for card of 3) . Bob Keen Retired Principal Scientist(NZDRI) Palmerston Nth New Zealand.5 h. I decan cat cons within 10 min. cons.5 approx with soda ash (Na2CO3)( little pH meter off ebay $20 US) 9) Add Zinc Pdr ( from ebay). Note 4. Stir 2X daily ceramic spoon (ebay $6 US) 4)Stir in urea to neutralize HNO3 (until fizzing stops) 5) Pour all in 20l tall narrow plastic pail & make up to 121 approx with rain water. Note 6.Palmerston Nth.121 vol. Step 3 can be carried out in a crock pot at simmer temp over 4 .5 US. I find the the PGM blacks can be more rapidly settled onto the bottom of . I drill a dozen or so holes with a 12 mm x 400 mm masonry drill (made in China.its like drilling into butter.wt 19 lb. you need to know your cats. Gold requires AR for dissolution but nanoparticles will dissolve in 2N HCL (Papers by Dr.Pestal a 51/2 foot 1 inch dia iron rod welded to a 81/2 inch long 21/2 inch dia iron rod .Using a long stout screw driver & hammer as lever & chisel I can quickly break biscuit up and empty out the pieces.Leave overnight and a lot of excess Zn will dissolve. New Zealand Addendum to Easy Peasy AR method PGM blacks are weakly paramagnetic. No fumes released. I currently get paid $60 NZ after a $150 NZ analysis is carried out in Hong Kong. Stir ceramic spoon. 13) Wash twice and decant with rain water.local discount shop $2.dry in oven. Note 3. 3 rounded teaspoons (1 kg biscuit originally used)added slowly with stirring over 15 . 10)Acidify to pH 1. Huge volumes of very toxic gas are released which strip all leaves off nearby vegetation and will kill nearby caged animals. Bob Keen . It only takes 10 min to grind in my mortar & pestal.If a blockage I ram through the handle of my 19 lb pestal which clears the blockage instantly.5 approx or until orange brown ppt dissolves leaving a black sediment. Note 1. Cover glass plate. many high mileage cats only contain a gram of PGM blacks. 14)Transfer small beaker. Best of luck to those that try this method. Chris Anderson Massey University NZ) therefore it is not unreasonable to find that AR will dissolve the PGM nanoparticles in cat. stir until evolution of H2 ceases and then leave over night. Note 2. 15) A number of extraction can be carried out simultaneously. 6) Leave over night for sediment to settle 7) Decant into 20l plastic bucket. Wash residue with more water & decant when clear into following batch. carefully pour off excess water.Mortar 13 inch dia pipe 12 inch high welded onto a square iron base. Note 5. Continue to stir off & on for a further 30 min. 8)Neutralise to pH 2.
all i did was use a saw to cut through the metal. After some profit.. and make more of a profit by producing electroplated auto.00 US. September 24. Or stay small. North Carolina September 27.. and for some. jewelry...once i got through i found a strange honey comb and a paper like substance that was full of tiny pieces of platinum. some knowledge.. I never bought it... diversify. even small (or large) pure Platinum cathodes.. Maybe a contribution. like • Control of electrolyte formulation and pH (a measure of acidity or alkalinity) • Control of electrical conditions • Control of temperature And a bunch of warnings like "don't drink the electrolyte"..... fumes.. AND pass an IQ test.. james carlon . would it be easier to dump the beads/flakes into a gallon glass jar of electrolyte. The how-to with photos and directions could be put into a PDF file. At the risk of sounding stupid (and not wanting to start a new thread). it would have to have all the "secrets". a Copper anode (I guess). the chance of blowing yourself up.the plastic pails and beakers by placing a very strong.i extract the platinum for making jewelry. medical (things). add a (small) pure Platinum cathode. Just my 4:01 AM thoughts after reading these 4 pages. Steve Cerny . 2009 Very interesting! Took a while to read.. Of course. and available to those who make a contribution to the site. Great site! "I'll be back". new/better equipment the backyard scrap dealer could expand. Oklahoma October 13. uh. 2009 getting platinum is so easy. There used to be a book from Lindsey's by Carr (I think).so i gathered all the material and got a 5 gal bucket and put a window screen over it and placed the material on the . I've always wondered about this.hillsborough... airplane. and now it's hard to find. large ceramic magnet under the bottom of the holding vessel. but it could be small scale and a small investment. 2009 is there a way i can "cook" the platinum out at home and how hot would the heat have to be. "don't touch the electrode thingys to your tongue to see if the battery still has a charge".Oklahoma City. but I'm finally at the end. and hook them up to a controller/battery/solar panel? I know there would still be chemicals. etc. I bought a very large ceramic magnet off ebay for $8.
kannapolis NC cabarrus county October 27.but the only problem is that since i wanted to melt the platinum down for making jewelry i had to obviously melt it..... So whatever stuff you found that was elsewhere but not in the . In those days they did not use any "beads". 2009 hey guys u don't have 2 be a genius to get the platinum out of the catalytic converters i wanted my car loud so i decided 2 punch the ceramic honey comb out of the converter using a hammer and a flat blade screw driver go 2 town on it then i found the platinum in a cloth like material get rid of the honey comb no platinum in that keep the cloth i used a fly screen n a container using water i sifted it in a container like a gold panner would have fun any 1 can do i got heaps of platinum :) mark horizon ..but u can buy them for a couple hundred bucks or find someone who has one..now i had a dry powder with the metal....000 degrees to melt.not many people have a cutting torch in trier garage. Andrew..once it did i just slowly poured the water out of the bucket but once the water level got too low that the metal and stuff wanted to pour out too all i did was take a cloth rag and used it to absorb the water. But in those days the ceramic honeycombs and only the honeycombs were dipped into the precious metal slurry. 2009 Hi........ Andrew Gould ..it took like 20 min to get all the water out... and spent a fair amount of time there..mudgee Australia nsw October 27. and I can't comment on whether the beads contain precious metals or not... Many years ago (1981). Mark.screen over the bucket.i collected it and used a torch to burn the paper away now I'm not sure what the paper is so i wore a mask to protect myself i suggest u do the same... hi..i had to use a cutting or also known as a blow torch used for melting steel to do it...and discarded the honey comb.i don't know why people want to make it some big secret......and used a garden hose to wash the paper and platinum off the honey comb..so once i turned the paper to ashes i simply used my breath to blow the ashes away.now here is the hard part.anyway I've done this process many times with success.. I was involved in building the machinery for a catalytic convertor factory.but the paper still held some moisture so i just set the bucket in the sun and let it dry it the rest of the way.....then i let the water settle and allowed the sift to fall to the bottom.so it takes about 3.. so I am unfamiliar with the beads I hear of today...leaving only tiny pieces of platinum left.and u cant just use a pencil torch to melt it.but platinum has a high tolerance for heat..
a few of you might want to be very afraid of this stuff. Michael. there are dangers with this.aurora Colorado ... today's prices. North Carolina November 20. I done some electronic scrap and there are some things you will need to be careful with. iron. not bombs..sneads ferry. water and a few biodegradable chems and naturals. My advice to every one is read every thing.com Brick.. 2009 after a lot of reading in other places pt per cat runs about 1 to 5 grams each.. plastic. not good enough for you. you can then get a professional assay and try to sell to a mine or mill that is currently dealing with platinum. have a good day Michael kelly . they have plenty of experts there that can help most of you do this as a hobby scale project. and will have to be able to measure your efforts and not just wonder if it's working or not.. ( no not telling) you're all here to learn about cats.E. 2009 is the platinum and palladium in the honeycomb or is it the dust and charcoal like substance that comes out of convertor when you extract inside contents of the convertor thanks a lot.. and can now sell your ceramic containing PGMS at a much higher price. waste and byproducts. start collecting all items with pgms . New Jersey November 11. that's 40 to 200 $ in platinum alone at full value. for very detailed info look up the (gold refiners forum) on line. I use air. if you mix the wrong 2 things you will get a high explosive that's unstable. like copper. finishing. I've developed a safe device that will greatly concentrate any mineral matrix containing PGMS.. Ted Mooney. good luck BRYAN BRYAN SMITH . the rest of you .Oops letting my opinions show.. figure out how you're going to deal with fumes. want to go farther? with each step of the process you are concentrating.honeycomb doesn't sound like the precious metals to me :-) Those 'heaps of platinum' may be piles of soot :-( Regards. and from what I have seen here. do the research. what...) . (its not any harder than making a gas oil mix for the chainsaw. just removing the case is concentrating the values (PGMS) You have removed about 5 to 10 lbs of Iron.. P.
which caused so much smoke all we could do was run. Lets say I'm in the coat business and I get a wicked buy on coats at $10 per. Aftermarkets are junk. And the undercutting goes on and on until there's no profit left. the next step is to remove as much carbon as possible from the material by heating to RED hot then blowing oxygen on the material before it cools. Cats have different amounts of pgm's depending on the manufacturer. 2009 The first step in the process is to remove the comb. GM.The ball assay will tell you how much pgm to expect per pound of comb. we shouldn't have ever done this kind of thing.deming. I look around at my competitors and they're selling the same coat for $50 per. Do not crush the comb up just chunk it into inch or so pieces. California November 28. Tom Jamison . You are now ready to do an assay on the material to get an idea as to how much pgm you can expect from your batch (30 cats is a pretty good batch) To do a ball assay you need a small furnace some crucibles etc. New Mexico . So what do I do? I can sell my coats for $50 and take a portion of his sales or undercut his price and sell more but make less profit. and he has a scar on his face now. we brought a hose in and sprayed. don't even try them.MONROE LOUISIANA December 2. my friend went to the hospital and had to have stitches. 2009 well me and my friends went out and got some Cats. which burned through. josh slocomb . as are ford and Chrysler. There are ways to extract that are so safe you don't even need a mask and then there are ways that are so dangerous that it's like being in a gas chamber. You NEED to do the assay or you will not have any idea when to stop the extraction process. the garage set on fire. it started smoking very quick and then popped really loudly. We then tried to extract the metals by using the crucible method that was written on here.November 28. I'm not going to write the rest of the process nor will anyone who knows how to do it and I'll tell you why.Anaheim. 2009 TO BREAK DOWN A CATALYTIC CONVERTOR YOU FIRST TAKE THE COMBING AND BREAK IT DOWN IN SULFURIC ACID THE PLATINUM WILL SETTLE TO THE BOTTOM SHAKE A FEW TIMES WHEN DISSOLVED AND LET SETTLE THEN YOU HEAT THEN A MIXTURE OF MURIATIC ACID AND HYDROCHLORIC ACID MIXED TO EAT THE BASE METALS AND LEAVE THE PLATINUM ONLY THE MELT CAST AND SERVE DEREM MCCOLLUM . and euro(except VW) have hi pgm content. little drops of fire went all over the garage and my friend caught one on the side of his face.All Asians. try not to get any metal filings into the comb material.
that's $10. In my calculation what he sold brought someone down the line in the neighborhood of $60. Nobody wants you to know for a real good reason (MONEY) I witnessed a man sell a few hundred mixed converters for $16.sdsmt.Ararat.5x50= $375 minus the cost of shipping. and the cost of the 40 cats was 4x40=$160 don't forget to recycle the iron maybe about $10 experience says it takes 1 hr to go to some place to get a cat and get back home 40 cats =40 hrs 374 divided by 40 is $9.. used to recover platinum from spent catalyst.000. it is the K. That way we can cut out the middle man. I have been researching this for a long time.December 5. December 21.00.37 an hr the real trick is getting the 40 cats.5 each now subtract gas for your car time to remove it from the host car..5 .S.00 in platinum.5 a pound.2 pounds of ceramic honey comb in it and that sells for $7. The History channel recently had a program on acids. is to hold on to them. If you do the refining hoping to .I. make your price list 30% less than what you can sell them for and you may make 30%. One of the acids was Aqua Regia. They are worth a lot more than buyers make out that they are. and buy from any one that wants to sell a cat.000. how ever since an aftermarket cat goes for $4 and it has 1. I have found it to be one of the best kept trade secrets. I can sell to any one that wants to buy a cat. if you don't then be sure to keep the ceramic honey comb in the can and sell them for more than you bought them for. Yep I know that was stupid. After saying all that don't do this with any other cats unless you can get 200 to 300 cats at an average price of $50 each. making a after market cat worth $8. but no he sold them anyway. I am not attempting to concentrate any thing from the cats I collect.edu/sdsmt/SiteID=199458 Dennis King . you can ship 50 pounds in a prepay box and get the 7. if you can get 40 of the after market cats . note: that website is not loading for us. The answer to some of your questions. Buy low and sell high you will do fine . 2009 My advice to all of you that have old Catalytic Converters. and shipping.00.000 to 15. On that program they told that a 55 gal barrel with app 400 lbs of catalysts would net $24. I tried to convince him not to sell. 2009 I'm now in the cat buying game.You make $4.. I suggest we pool our collection. and what they were used for.000 If you have that much cash you can do the math and will know what to do next. Buyers deal in small numbers so as to sell in large numbers. removal of the the iron shells would make the 50 pound box not such a bad thing. Virginia ---Ed.. Knowing what I know I tried to tell him they were worth much much more than that.S thing .000. I buy low and sell high. sdmines.
see rule 6.com).Glovertown NL Canada asked the same question which I have been wondering also which was never answered. it just a side job for me at this time. Maine January 17.shorinternational. refiners will want 50 to 200 pounds of cat cores and will take 30 to 10% for there fee.To extract the inside simply open the plug most if not all have a plug that can be taken out to extract the materials pat mazzillo . (see Ebay) its not legal to put a used cat on any car!. Has anyone had any experience with the ishor system http://www. that means the very least a cat core will have in pmgs is 7$ a pound.8 lbs. (its worth it) and the seller loves the fact that he can add $5 to the sale. for prices look at cats direct 1st American core north eastern core buyers fairless core dyna converter integrity rules 1 buy low sell high 2 don't buy any thing today you cant sell tomorrow (inventory is expensive and makes you zip) 3 decan only if you've got 100s 4 don't decan after market cats till you get 40 of them. the amount of metallic values in a cat wildly varies. thanks December 23.11 thousand dollars its got platinum in them. and have been doing so for 2 weeks I now own 15 of them.. whole cat buyers on the internet will pay from 4 to $165 each. One company will pay 7$ a pound for your cores . 2009 I have worked in a place that took in catalytic converters what we would do is open the plug dump everything out into 55 gallon drum we would fill 10 -12 of these things then bring them to Texas they paid us about 8 . see rule 6! catching on yet? bryan smith .. I buy catalytic converters.aurora Colorado a correction its perfectly legal to sell a used catalytic converter. (you may change your mind and want to sell them whole) 5 learn how to spot an after market cat (the guy selling you the cat has no clue what the previous owner did to the host car) this one cost me $70 on my very first buy! 6 cut all your buying prices buy 5$ 7 add $5 your buying price for each cat you don't have to cut from under the host car.. 2010 Glenn Burry.. your can with acids leach the three pgms out of the core ceramic.gain remember your platinum will likely not be pure enough to get full price and even if it is the jeweler and ore refiner you sell it to is going to want a 10% to 30% cut off the top.htm .com/refining. (see gold refiners index .. . I would let the refiners earn there 10% and you should concentrate on volume. the average cat has 2.Arundel.
Although this is my website. Bill N .E. Michael Rowland .com Brick. Oklahoma January 21. P. Ted Mooney. Colorado and Oklahoma are doing it.E. Actually. New Jersey January 21. Mike. and also just the plain effectiveness with gold plated scrap. Ted Mooney. "But I'm sure as hell not going to sell it to Ted in Jersey" Is that because I've repeatedly said that my only business is running this website. are a mite smarter than the idiots in New Jersey and other eastern states. and many more would if vendors. Arkansas June 2010 Hi. Bill. No one has answered which specific converters are worth more than the others.or because you got concerned about possible questions about the origin of your convertors after I mentioned that my son was a cop :-) Good luck and Regards. OK the process is way too complicated for person to do on his own. rip the things open and pour it into containers you can ship.Marvell. P. I'm not an expert on catalytic converter refining or gold recovery. and am not qualified to comment on how well this commercial device works (never even seen it). finishing. so I am certainly not in a position to be involved anywhere in the sale or purchase of this stuff? -. we discourage testimonials to particular commercial products because some people already post here or attempt to post here with fictitious names.Can some of the professionals here (Ted?) please comment on whether or not this would work on granulated CAT honeycomb/beads. New Jersey . could profit from shilling :-) Regards. How do I know I'm not getting ripped when I sell one? But I'm sure as hell not going to sell it to Ted in Jersey. 2010 It seems that us in Okla. 2010 Hi. I have been looking at this system for many years so any comment would be greatly appreciated. finishing.Mounds.com Brick. So I would elect doing it the the guys in Texas. disguised as satisfied customers.
Someone did provide a three sentence answer on the 'how to' aspect.. Florida March 11..for that matter.. John Marks . They assay the metal efficiently.. sure.. and it's pretty interesting. you have to put something substantial into it to make it work. you could probably buy a kit for it at Ace Hardware... 2010 This blog/site whatever kicks ass! You rock dude.. but your labor and production costs will be high.BE REALISTIC! As an example or two: If you want to profit... Each refiner employs economies of scale. or a table top model on eBay. and not cheat.. Do you intend to do this industrial process in your garage? If you are going to be honest about it... and larger scale than most of you are thinking about. Clearly: THERE'S NO EASY MONEY TO BE MADE BY TRYING TO REFINE THE PRECIOUS METALS YOURSELF! So just give it up.. you can run the process. and if it were simple to do...got to find some cat specs now!!!! PS: I'm NOT saying not to take a risk or consider a new venture.. USA March 4. You can go around to salvage yards and buy cats.learn the product specs..turn them into COMEX quality ingots and high grade metals to sell to industry? I think many I've read on here are trying to get something for nothing. back off of Ted. If it gets too lucrative.. and poof.. and get real.and smelting/refining is not a permitted use in any residential or agricultural zone I've ever heard of.. Please remember: all the refiners compete with each other. and each ingot or batch of metal you produce will still have to be assayed at your expense.February 11.. and my conclusion was that the only serious solution to this approach is to have .. Something for nothing is a bogus way to live. etc..to get something meaningful out. and even hedging those prices with futures contracts.... often with long term contracts to keep their costs low.. I'm a pretty smart guy and I thought about it long and hard. He's the man. You get out what you put in.think logically.but perhaps think of it as all boiling down to return on investment. Ohio.thanks again.. and become a broker for small yards that don't have the time to research the value of each model... Thank you! Off my soapbox I go.. you will have to end up like the existing refiners to make a profit.but please don't hang on to the notion that you can spin straw into gold.. new refiners enter the market. and by being an accumulator/consolidator.. 2010 Hey. learn which cats have what relative amounts of PGMs and buy and sell accordingly.. 2010 Hi All.or do you think you are going to pick up a few cats... How do you expect to make your costs lower than theirs? By dumping toxins in the trash? If you are highly competent....all above board... if not actually funny. I just wanted to add that anyone who is Still thinking about ways to steal the converters.Columbus.. Matthew Fox ..you can make a profit from knowing the product you are dealing with. buying acids and supplies in large bulk. and pay for permits and safety and disposal costs. I've read a few pages of this thread.Tampa..
not habits. Someone actually stealing from someone who worked hard for their nice car. 2010 hey another way that i have found is to use something similar to the gold refining process if you use aqua regia aka nitric and hydrochloric acid mixed it will make clora platonic acid i believe is the name and then from there you can revert the acid back to pure platinum dust witch accumulates at the bottom as a dust you then filter and wash at the very least five times with warm or hot water you then have at least 99. Had to backtrack to an ad on our Craigslist. This can be looked upon 2 ways---either the guy is legit. registration. MY VOTE: 55 GALLON DRUM METHOD forget about anything beyond mechanical extraction. WORD OF WISDOM: Those who write about cats on these walls... and using air-compressed or hydraulic cutters. MY ANALYSIS: I'm thinking I'll stick to planting a garden in the spring and riding a bicycle---just hope nobody cuts my gut out looking for little ceramic balls of quicksilver.Anaheim. In fairness it could be said that the economy is now so bad that some may take up the trade to feed mouths.. Don't steal. Ok here's what I'm getting at--. Just knowing the process has put a more educated perspective on all of this thank you very much sir.etc. Got so involved I actually forgot how I got here. 2010 Wow. Eric Vincent web developer/ seeker of knowledge . you have no business stealing chicken-sh-.. this economy is seething with unions of prison guards and people making 85 thousand dollars a year watching over 'criminals ' who got high. paid license. you will look like a ripe candidate to be made example out of in the judicial court. California March 12. or sold a dime bag of something to someone who wanted to get high. Iowa USA March 26... but inversely they would still be taking it out of another's mouth. my guess is theft of cats will also see a comeback as frustration grows. I can't believe I read the WHOLE thing.Cedar Rapids. I notice child abuse was up 12% here in IA last year. makes me want to stay on the computer and away from dangerous chemicals.EAT THOSE LITTLE CERAMIC BALLS OF SLAG!!! Byron Wiese .if you're that smart to build such a device. offering a venue for people to get a little more for there junk vehicle before the salvage yard gets it---or there are still people out there willing to crawl under cars in the middle of the night to feed their habits (and people willing to pay them to do it).9% pure platinum of course you must then use an induction heater to melt it down and the only one that i can think of is right now that is easy to build is ZVS circuit ( zero voltage/current switching) its easy to build but i dont know if it has the ability to get to platinum melting temps . Those who read these words of wit..car parts!. then be on your merry way before you could get caught.some kind of technology that jacks up the car. Enough said? Good to know this information though. insurance.. someone offering to "buy" cats. cut off the cat in one snap!.Roll there words in little ceramic balls.
Meaning. Now that was funny. a rope and the neighborhood Kids and a couple steel pipes. or eBay. I just happened to ask the man. Refinery if any. How to extract precious metals from cats. 2010 Hi.Rozet. 2010 Mr Mooney. As for some of the threads I read that some only had one or two.orange park Florida united states April 7.john michael . Now I'm living in Wyoming and have a close friend that's in the auto salvage business and from time to time he has a gentleman come into buy his cats. Now I think back years ago about a salvage yard I'd work at and at that time we saved all cats in medium size container box's. But seriously. It can't be done. or Google. I too was doing a little research online about precious metals when I stumbled on to this site. It's not that we are sworn to silence. Wow that's alot of money. Before loading them on his truck. for what I will get back that's a drop in the bucket so to speak.we don't have one thousandth of the necessary horsepower. that if one thinks that you can separate the metals with a torch like Oxyacetylene is like melting a tuna can with a Bic lighter. . is it takes a little bit of this and a little bit of that and a whole lot of other things to make it pure steel and what's involved in that process is like trying to put a Big Mac in a Happy meal. Please look on Craigslist.. and it's largely because we don't let people benefit commercially from postings. But I'm talking in large numbers. Now knowing how to melt down steel. This public forum has managed to remain online for 16 years. I hope the next time I read these threads that some one might be kind hearted enough to say as to were one might be able to take there spoils to. I once seen a check for $25. heavy melt meaning steel beams to the smelting plants in Indiana and in Illinois. When the buyer came by we unloaded the contents of the box's on the ground by sizes. Wyoming April 7. I read all of the threads. everything else is buried under the spam.000 dollars and that was for the contents of one container box of cats. Or what! I look forward to visiting this site again in the future. I worked in the scrap metal business 10 years ago and from time to time hauled what is none as Frag. Now it's been some years gone by and now like then every one has kept the golden rule of silence. He replied. Some had more meaning than others. Sorry but we simply can't be Craigslist or Ebay or Google -. and I to have to agree with a lot of these threads. How come! Is it because of like back then the golden rule of silence still applies and mums the word to this day. We could swamp the threads with spam overnight. it's that as soon as we open a thread to commercial responses. Sincerely Mike Burt . Mike. Like a tree in the back yard.That is if they had a lot of them. That is in all these threads I read I did not once read as to where to take the spoils. Some had humor like.
but in everything i have seen in life. And since i have to support an older but great father. So i figured. I'm 19. because i had all of my family heirlooms stolen from me and my handicap dad who lives with me. THE LIST OF CARS! It would seem I'm limited in the aspect that people are too scared of losing profit or theft for advancement in human techno-evolution. because 2% are incompetent the rest are punished. Why not post a list of cars? Most states require a title. this is why i liked thomas's post. People who are secretive do make the most profit.. or you must wait a given amount of time to receive payment on the converters if you sell too a scrap yard. not a mechanic or chemist. like I am going to be there in May. I don't think personally I would be able to do it. 2010 Well. and then be a middle man. That is an arrogant notion of people in America. when I got up. where you must choose. the business relationships and personal ones i developed have kept me and my dad in a house. In hopes when and if i fell i would have people around me to keep me afloat. P. Thomas from Sarasota.. Because people will go steal them. the way u run these forums is exceptional. with food. I figured i shall start with two different topics. and am well versed in the language of american society. and that's how i get by now. but we lose out on advancement of society. and i was like jeez I hope there will be intelligent people to have deep conversations. So theft isn't as much of an option. the only option left must be that people want to keep people out of this business so they can keep everyone from getting by. because Tennessee its hard finding deep and free-thinking people. talk to friends who work in areas that come across people selling junk cars.. Ted. well Networking is one of my favorite things. its a pointless endeavor for the lowest of the low scum of the earth.Regards. Except there is one thing i cant find. I was a marketer/sale's rep who traveled coast 2 coast. and for my age i would say i have seen a lot. first is how someone could easily sell stolen gold. and they start getting up would be power hungry and greedy. As i said previously I'm a marketer and networker.com Brick. I was searching for two things when i got online today. your way of thinking is incredibly fascinating. All i have to say. . i am infuriated at the fact. is i figured I'd keep my karma good. and i am granted with off the chart social skills. First is thanking two people.. but things happen and you have other obligations in life. So. I guess it sucks that greed rules this country. family or career. Sadly.E. so i figured well. and helped them. and my friend telling me about plat in CC's. that people are scared too post what CC's are good to buy. On my next note. New Jersey April 18. i brought everyone around me up. and makes our world more like the movie Idiocracy if anything. i really enjoy your calm responses to some arrogant people. or used parts. find out what kind of CC's too look for. Also. finishing. I would like to tell you all a little about myself. i figured i would look into the CC idea so maybe i could gain a little extra money after me losing my job. WOW. obviously so. Ted Mooney. i started reading this because i had hopes that some one would post what cars would be best to go get cc's and then find a company who buys them for refining purposes.. I would never have imagined that everyone who was once barely getting by.
because I'm an honest person. i am not trying to undercut you guys in your ingot industry. now that i tried to get a little help from some of you guys. if there are threads like this. but this site does not put people into private contact with each other. hell. maybe not hard labor. Please use ebay. I just am not the type of man who lives off someone else's gratitude. Sorry! Similarly. and finding a company who wanted too do the refining process or something. Joe Santaniello . I'm sure I'll have at least made a little money off it. and certainly not my last. and just selling the guts. Craigslist. 24/7. not a wall street man. So i was hoping I could make a small profit. See. cut the radiator hose and some other hoses i do not know what they are at this time. Like En: Datsun/Nissan 70-93 not even being super specific. Just consider the list people. their competitors feel the need to post a glowing testimonial to themselves. with bills of sale for every cat i buy so you never would have to worry about me being a thief. well i can see me on here in the future. Thank you For your Time! :) If you guys would like to contact me through email. or in the past could have used also.Murfreesboro. I really enjoyed reading this thread. If you guys could be generous and think of others. Joe. or a google search to locate the people you are seeking. not even knowing the cats may be worth something. and now they are buying me a car so i can get back to my life. if you do things on a larger scale. and I could use the money. if not. it is my first ever on this site. if information shared with me you ask not too be disclosed. i hope all of you enjoy this post. I like to work. am i planning to start anything related to the pt industry. just like an extra 600 a month or so. and possibly start my own business that i have been wanting. my idea was hopefully getting the cats. Nor. and if this stuff actually pays off. and maybe take my dad out too eat like i used to. and teaching kids how to pick up chicks. and the thread dissolves to spam :-) . on cars that look bonestock. All i have to say is. and have something too think about. just making it better so i don't go out and waste my time. we try to avoid reference to company names because experience has repeatedly proven that as soon as a company name is mentioned. people selling muffler and cc for 10 bux. the race to the bottom is on. but do not have a dime for start up cost. Good luck. and my marketing experience. since someone angry at my dad for calling the police on them because he was in fear for his life. put out a list. i figured that would be the best route. just like many of you guys can. but use my skills for a better purpose. i will abide by that notion. I'm a marketer. and a loan isn't an option. well awesome. and just getting rid of the cats core too a scrap yard. because things here are cheap. and i give my word on my dad. Apologies. But letting the world know would be a much better thing! But. that would be acceptable too. just so i can get by a little better. It's just i see older cars being parted out. then sitting around on forums. Well. my word is never broken. and possibly you would have the word of many exec's who would vouch for me. 2010 Hi. i could ship them too u. Tennessee April 19.and utilities.
So.Midland. have heard it might be against the law to process them in the US. 2010 Just wondering if anyone could give me some info. What would be an approx.com Brick. There are 16. 2010 Hi. 2010 First I'll just say this.45 grams per cubic centimeter. California USA June 9. New Jersey June 24.com Brick. and it sounds like the time I'm done study the "ART of CCs" I should have another thousand or so. GREAT!! I will begin reading up. This thread leads me to believe it is not. Gas and Diesel big differences. Terrill.Regards. it . P. I had thoughts of selling them raw. I am a chemist. Regards. terrill booth . Keep posting and I'll keep reading Scott Jones .10 grams to a troy ounce. weight of a solid block of Platinum with the dimensions of 3" x 1" x 1". at today's spot price of $1533 per troy ounce. Texas June 8. finishing. Your block of platinum is 3 cubic inches. Hope the PRICES stay up? I been told to keep the content separate due to the difference in amount and type of metals.980. finishing.riverside. your block would be valued at $51. P. and with regard to obfuscating for the uninitiated.387 cubic centimeters to a cubic inch.E.E. New Jersey May 19. Ted Mooney. that being said. Platinum weighs 21. 2010 I have over 1000 CC cut from salvaged autos over the past couple of years. to a point I am NOT a metallurgist and have limit knowledge of the subject. There are 31. Ted Mooney.
. Texas.PLEASE DO YOUR RESEARCH *-*-*-* Victor C. every one gets rich in a gold rush. Yup. Alabama September 3. nitric and judiciously precipitate with some heavy metal ion.Mobile.Dallas.. Any thoughts on a response on this thread will be greatly appreciated.seems to me that one could with some difficulty dissolve the platinum/ceramic guts in conc. US August 11. I found it here 'cause I was looking for a reason why my Ford is acting up. Australia September 29. 2010 Can anyone give an estimate of what a pound of slurry collected in the early 80's is worth. *-*-*-* THIS IS NOT TO BE TRIED BY ANYONE FOLLOWING THIS POST ALONE..and there is a rush on to find out how it's done or how to get it. 2010 Cry.YOU WILL NOT GET PLATINUM WITHOUT RESPECTING THE CHEMISTRY AND FOLLOWING MY THOUGHT PROCESS WITHOUT FULLY UNDERSTANDING THE NATURE OF THE MATERIALS INVOLVED COULD AND WOULD CAUSE SERIOUS INJURY AND/OR DEATH.. Got it legally by the way... beyond that apply tremendous tremendous amounts of heat to the precipitate and go to the bank. Ma . Queensland.com Dave smith .. Maybe you should take a look at www.scrapcatalyticconverter. clearly I haven't gone so far as putting pencil to paper on this but it seems to me that it could be a lucrative opportunity for someone with a skill set in place to mitigate the very real (and potentially lethal) risks involved.. Another waste of 30 minutes of my life surfing the web :) :) Gary W ..Redondo Beach.. And for some it is a conspiracy because they are too ignorant or plain stupid to understand how complicated and dangerous to body and environment it is to extract it. 2010 These are great questions about catalytic converters and platinum. California USA . " There be 'Gold'in them thar hills" or in this case Platinum in them there Catalytic Converters. Walt Smith manufacturer .Brisbane.
Justin.html and green.com/Recycling. Thank You all very much for your time spent here & input.com/Loose_Beads_Pellets_secure.Maine.autoblog. USA January 14. including maidenresources.no one liner is gonna help me learn anything) tips on how to distinguish between a factory original and a aftermarket cat. I did an engineering project at a factory that built the newer honeycomb style converters (still a long long time ago).I as I just mentioned I'm a web designer by trade -but I have started my own side project with recycling cars & metals. Secondly .athens Alabama January 14.the dubbah only wanted to give me $10 bucks for them . There is a great video at www. Being a web designer I know what is like to have to deal with internet hooligans.com/2006/11/28/thieves-target-catalytic-converters-for-precious-metals/. I haven't done much with them but pile them up being as I don't know the difference yet.html.how exactly do you tell the difference between an OEM & After-Market Catalytic Converter? Could someone muster up a photo of these 'beads' and these 'honey combs' you talk about do they look just like a piece of screen? So far with the cats I have cut off (Yes legally) they all just look like hollow metal chambers with a screen in them. It has been a great revenue so far making something out of nothing is very rewarding. So if someone would please give me a few (Yes more than one please .but I don't trust backyard bob enough to keep doing business with him.December 22. -J Justin L MaineJunKYards . What I would like to see/know .sellyourcatsdirect. I would like to thank Ted first of all for supplying this lovely little trough of information.youtube.and he might have been honest (one came off an old GM Van & the other a new chevy geo) .com/watch? v=rmtFp-SV0tY . and pictures of them are all over the net.which no one has mentioned before . The last time I brought a couple the junkyard . 2011 Greetings Everyone. but photos are available at www. I'm not real familiar with the old-style ceramic bead catalytic converters. 2010 what does the extracted metal look like ron green curious . 2011 Hi.
but don't know.I think. that an aftermarket converter would have less precious metals soaked into the honeycomb.E. but I don't know how to tell the difference. finishing. Regards. New Jersey . P. Ted Mooney.com Brick.
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