Best way to use heat from HHO to generate electricity
by Powerme (Chrystal Scenario of HHO Mfg) Practical HHO with common components practical HHO is quite simple, I have done this but have moved on to better things. Don't waste your time and energy with electrolysis, the resistance of the Stainless Steel cells will cost you in energy expense. I had posted a link to the
Treatise on Electricity and Magnetism
but most folks are comfortable with the speculations of mainstream knowledge. Obtain a Water Atomizer, they are cheap and everywhere. These are piezoelectric transducers that will atomize large volume of water with economical energy expense. Obtain a small generator to learn on, you can get a 6 kw/hr electric start Champion genset from Cosco for $500 or so. Swap out the spark plug, put on a Diamond/Split-fire or high performance spark plug from an auto parts store. Construct a chamber to house your Atomizer, with small fan to evacuate fog into air intake. Many ways to skin this cat, easy duck soup. Obtain some crystalline zinc oxide or nano crystals is super good and put it in wettable envelope, like PEM cells. It will liberate water with piezo-electro-chemical effect. You can also try chemalloy
like alloys such a Zamak powder etc.
Start engine with regular gasoline, then switch over to water injecion. It will run good and you can improve upon it. This is the same thing that Daniel Dingle was doing. If you can make plasma spark plug, that will work much better. Hydrogen can be liberated from water very easily with milliamps of current at the right resonance. Get this running and you'll get 5kw electricity for under $1k and the cost of maintenance.
fogger source oops, the atomizer is commonly called pond fogger etc, some have several cells and puts out several lpm and cost $100 on ebay etc. An electrolysis cell to produce hydrogen from water will always consume more energy than you would get by burning the hydrogen.
The zinc crystals vibrate upon ultrasonic vibration generating it's own electricity and aiding in splitting of water into hydrogen and oxygen. This makes the gas mixture richly combustible and the atomize water will keep your generator running cooler with greater power generation. This can also be ported for motive use.
Quote: Originally Posted by bugler thanks for the information. For what I have read this is apparently the only real way to get free electricity. Can you tell us what better things you are doing now? A diesel engine is too noisy so this is not a solution for a flat. It could be used in an industrial plant to sell electricity. lol, seriously very good things. get the ball rolling, I will tell more when the state is appropriate.
The zinc oxide crystals can be home grown from zinc oxide powder, easy to make or you can just buy. I had put them in an PEM cell and put inside the atomizing vessel.
home grown crystals Quote: Originally Posted by altrez I think if I am not mistaken please correct me if I am. That you can use these: Amazon.com: Zincite Crystal Clusters Mixed Sizes (Mostly 3/8" - 1") -
3pcs.: Everything Else All you do is crush them slightly and add to a tea bag. you then take say 5 tea bags full and put them in the water with the ultrasonic generator. Ultrasonic Mist Maker Fogger Water Fountain Pond 12 LED At that point the crystals should vibrate and cause the water to make very small amounts of hho. Once you feed this to the plasma spark plug. Water Sparkplug You get a huge amount of energy. Is that right?
Zinc oxide crystals are synthetic and made from oxidized zinc . It is tetrahedral structures and have polar Zn-O bonds which is ionic and highly piezoelectric.
The natural zincinite that you mentioned also contains magnesium, you can powder some and grow some crystal and try it out. The cheap transducer that I used also contains Mn in it's alloy.
You need a durable envelope that will withstand the vibration, tyvek envelope might work, has to be wettable by water.
When water is atomized with pond fogger, it is easily dissociated into HHO by the crystals. The gas mixture is rich in HHO, I don't know the H content but it is highly combustible.
I got the idea after watching Dingles youtube video. You can clearly see the fog rising so I made the same cell out of an old battery case and it works. Funningly, the Taiwanaese that sued Dingel, now have thin film zinc oxide crystals for electrical power generation. Nano is such a moronic term, one can create the same material at home with simple electrolysis.
The spark plug is the modified Krupler Iridium alloy plug running on original OEM generator coils.
This is a practical and robust low cost approach to HHO electrical power without the need for electrolyte and expensive components.
quote: Originally Posted by FRC Would the Halloween Fogger work ? I already have "The Fog Machine" from Wal Mart. Bought it to use for something else. FRC yes, it's the same machine, you don't need LED, just the fogger. Walmart machines have small 1 cm transducer. They are simply ultrasonic transducer mounted on ceramic plate and powered by pulsed DC. You can buy just the transducers from china, I got 5 cm discs for $3 each shipping included for a lot of 10.
you can buy ready made kits online for injecting atomized water into a car. you can also buy a large fogger to run your car off atomized water HHO. The machines comes with AC transformers but can be modified to run straight off the car or generator dc power.
hey FRC, why not try your fogger with a small engine. there are many forum out there for growing crystals and you can also buy grown crystals from many sources online. source for components YouTube - Copy of Krupa's Firestorm spark plug . Krupa Spark plug howtomakeplasmaplugs replication Instructable. ask around your area, drag racers and custom choppers can make these or may have some for sale. Ultrasonic Water Fogger-The Mist Maker K006 is the transducer, there machines are bit too $$$ but they ship fast. buy em cheap from aliexpress or taobao, delivery takes 1 week.
zinc oxide is $5/ lb from ebay. ammonium hydroxide is $15 per bottle. there are many ways to grow crystals with simple home
methods. Mix, freeze, then pour on petri dish and leave alone to grow crystals. complete paper on ZnO nano crystals.
simple principles Quote: Originally Posted by bugler I am lost. What about crystals and burning HHO? I don't understand either the relation of the video with the sparkplug. Thakns. ok, this is simple. you want to generate electricity say 5kw/hr for electrical needs? Fine, it is simple to do so. How can you do it for Free?. Not exactly free, but close. How so?. With off the shelf components.
A gas electrical generator fitted with high performance spark plug that will produce larger amount of spark to ignite the gaseous mixture of atomized water with HHO.
The video shows how a sphere produces about 10 times more spark
that a regular spark plug, and the sparks are spread out on the entire surface, not just in the center as with regular plugs.
How do you make fuel from water?.
1) By atomizing it with a transducer. (This breaks water into fine small molecules of separated but still bonded Hydrogen and Oxygen . The fog produced is light as oxygen and will float as water does not. And because the molecules are smaller, coupling the crystals to the already produced field of ultrasonic waves will set them into vibration, creating it's own electricity which has a piezo electrochemical effect of splitting water molecules into Hydrogen and Oxygen.)
To make or grow crystals is easy. Mix zinc oxide with warm solution of ammonia hydroxide, stir well for 30 minutes, put in the freezer for 3 hours or so, you want to reach -0 degree C. Take out and pour onto glass vessel, cover and let sit. crystals will grow.
plugs update regular spark plug will work ok, better plugs = better combustion=more power.
Krupa plugs. will give you more power
silly me ok buddy, time for reality check. crystals are easy to make. get a book, go to a forum.
learn and make. I'm done here. I come here mostly for entertainment and to see how the crowd are being herded. But time is not a luxury, gotta get on other priorities.
learn and know
Quote: Originally Posted by bugler You talk of ultrasonicwaves but no mention how to make them and how to use them. You talk of making and using crystals but no explanation how to use them, in which amount, etc. What could I do with this incomplete information? Take your time but please sometime give me the complete view (if possible with a diagram). Thanks. ok bugler, sorry for having tried to help.
everything is very simple. just big words that people made
up to name things.
#1) Get a fogger, #2) put it in a container of water, #3) plug it in and you have ultrasonic waves, (this is the same transducer that is used for babies ultrasound; & same thing used in ultrasonic welding.) #4) make some crystals, #5) throw it in the water, #6) now you have electrified water. #7) test with a multimeter, you will have electricity.
I will not go into detail on making crystals because there is nothing more to tell, mix, freeze, let sit, that's really it.
Quote: Please do take action and make this, I will show you how to make a solid state Water Piezoelectric Power Supply with real usable power.
There many exciting things possible but no one is ready or wants to learn.
Show me progress and I'll do the same.
Quote: Originally Posted by Roland Thanks for the great Info powerme. While i'm not 100% clear, i think there is enough to get started. * Use Zink oxide to make Crystals. * Put crystals in bags teabags or the like and put into water. (the ratio of crystals to water? maybe not that important, what size foger for what size engine maybe trial and error) * Build container for foger and water and crystals. * Duct container so engine intake sucks fog /HHO into intake. * Start engine & trim back gasoline. I wonder if Pulstar plugs would work best for off the shelf plugs? no problem, hope it will be useful for you. * zinc oxide is widely available, check your local
chemical supplier, horticulture suppliers etc. Make several envelopes and try them out.
enevelope is easy to find, just seal well.
crystals will resonate at above 30 khz and will work just fine with generator dc from alternator. Or you can use the ac transformer included and just plug it into your generator, it does not consume much watt. You can fine tune it with PWM, regular water dissociates freely at above 43khz but you are cracking fine molecules of water. This is trial and error, you're using plain tap water and All water is not the same. HHO, DHO, THO and other variants are what we call water. For starters, start engine with gasoline, idle then completely cut off gasoline and switch to atomize water HHO. Fine tune your system and you will not need gasoline at all.
Any plug will work, but Krupa is best.
the before mentioned paper discloses precise procedure in the art of growing crytals, you can arrange the crytals into nano tubes but all that fancy work is not really necessary unless you want Swisswatch precision. there are many other methods of electrical generation with different crystals of alloys but they may be irrelevant at this point. everyone has a small engine, Lets do this and tune it to your own specific needs.
You can use and old container for your atomizing chamber, just make it air tight as not to loose your gaseous mix.
sorry, meant to type crystals
the common water fogger ouput 30 khz ultrasonic waves, that is enough to fracture atomize water into HHO, you are only producing enough to get the gas combustible. Other effects occur when gas is ignited by spark. Zinc allow metal is widely available and can be had for free so is everything else. Zamak is an alloy of zinc with al, mn and other elements and can be salvage from old power tools, motor casing, car parts etc. It is easy to oxidize but we'll save that for later. Just get some zinc oxide powder and grow some crystals. Someone here can buy a 25lb bag from a chemical supplier, it's about $30 locally and resell to others here on the forum.
small engine Quote: Originally Posted by powerme hey FRC, why not try your fogger with a small engine. there are many forum out there for growing crystals and you can also buy grown crystals from many sources online. The only small engines I have right now are 2 stroke. Chain saw and generator. These require gas/oil mixture. Probably should use 4 stroke.
Quote: Originally Posted by altrez I can't seem to find any information on a step by step process to grow ZnO crystals? Anyone else have any luck? this is useless. find a piece of zamak, burn it with a torch. it will oxidize into zinc oxide along with the other elements in the alloy. scrape your oxide with a razor blade, it will shred into fine powder. look in your pantry, get ammonia cleaning solution, it is ammonia chloride form, diluted solution is fine. mix it with your oxide powder and stir for 30 minutes to make sure all particles are dissolved. let it sit, cover with a screen to contaminants out. crystals grows on its own and will dry out into flaky crystalline form. now you have ZnO crystals. Guys, this is getting insanely ridicilous!
if you are too lazy to find ZnO powder, then make your own with the above procedure. Look in the trash, Zamak is everywhere, appliances, electronics. Cooling fins of transistor chips is made of zamak, even casted toy cars. Google the material type and find the exact class of alloy, that tells you
precisely what elements and composition of alloys. Quote: Originally Posted by FRC The only small engines I have right now are 2 stroke. Chain saw and generator. These require gas/oil mixture. Probably should use 4 stroke. FRC you wont know until you try. I have and it runs fine.
a note about heat oxidation, I use HHO torch which the flames is about 4000 degree F. I have used regular butane torch before and it works ok but takes a long time to smelter metals. Zamak contains Al which will take a lot to melt and even higher temp to oxidize, easiest way is with Zinc Oxide powder. Don't mean nothing negative, if you stop googling for answer and find them on your own, then progress will be much better. If you still place your belief in the authorities that determines The Power That Be, then you are wasting your time. Good luck all.
Quote: Originally Posted by altrez What is getting insanely ridiculous? And what is useless? I am glad you are sharing your knowledge with everyone but can you please provide
links to the process you are using to accomplish this? Why wont the above ZnO work to make crystals? What makes it "ridiculous" is trying to replicate something with out good information to do so. Basically you have said "Take these crystals and put them in water and BAM HHO. Could you please provide a few links to some information that might aid in accomplishing this process? Thank you, -Altrez ok Altrez, we are i 2 differnt realms. 1. yours is an progrmmed manifestation determined by the The Power That Be. Your knowledge is based on speculations and manipulated lies that is instilled in your belief. That's how Logical thinking works, perceived analysis with deletion of fact incompatible with your instilled values. 2. I have long ago abolished the system that is commonly called knowledge. I learn and know. My first post here was a suggestion to read the publication
"Treatsie on Electricity and Magnetism."
Without common values of the same knowledge, our communications is useless.
it is well known in the world that crystals under the influence of magnetic field will vibrate and generate it's own electricity. that is how old crystal radio sets works, transistors etc. Bam, you put crystal into ultrasonic waver, your have HHO. It is like planting a seed in proper environment, Bam, you have a plant growing all on its own without further energy expense. You harvest and eat and live for Free. Same with electricity. Everything is an interaction of energy waves, the light you see is oscillation of magnetic waves. Tesla proved it with his artificial sunlight experiment.
Quote: Originally Posted by altrez Perhaps we need a way to translate. http://ia700303.us.archive.org/4/ite...uaternions.pdf
-Altrez translate what?? it's either you can really see the frequency of the wave or you can always just say it's called the color green.
no progress, I have nothing more to say.
From FRC Thanks Powerme Thanks Powerme, you sure have given us a lot of information. I would like to try the HHO first in a heater setup. Would it work okay with a propane heater ? Then will try it on an engine. If this all works it will be fantastic. Thanks again for sharing your extensive knowledge and putting up with our sometimes stupid questions. FRC
From FRC Glycerine Quote: Originally Posted by powerme you wont know until you try. I have and it runs fine. Maybe with some glycerine or polypropolene glycol in the water, like the foggers are supposed to be used. That was actually something I had been wondering about. Are you supposed to just use straight water or a mixture to begin with ? Sorry for more stupid questions. FRC
From Altrez Treatise on Electricity and Magnetism can be located here A treatise on electricity and magnetism : Maxwell, James Clerk, 1831-1879 : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive If anyone would like to read it.
Quote: Originally Posted by FRC Maybe with some glycerine or polypropolene glycol in the water, like the foggers are supposed to be used. That was actually something I had been wondering about. Are you supposed to just use straight water or a mixture to begin with ? Sorry for more stupid questions. FRC plain tap water if all thats needed. water molecules cools the engine, oil lubrication not needed.
Quote: Originally Posted by altrez Treatise on Electricity and Magnetism can be located here A treatise on electricity and magnetism : Maxwell, James Clerk, 1831-1879 : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive If anyone would like to read it.
-Altrez Things are very simple, really. Maxwell's Equations and theories were all based on the findings of Henry Cavendish, he was the real discoverer. And with all Henry's knowledge in electricity, he did not understand mathmatics or care for it. Maxwell's theories are just mathmatical expressions of the electrical phenomenas, the ones that you are not allowed to know about.
The route to real Knowledge of Electricity will defy all lies instilled upon you and you can clearly see things for what they really are.
You can read the book, or just try to understand what electricity and magnetism really are.
******************************* There's an excellent book on Google books from the 1880s called Elementary Electricity. ******************************* Elementary Treatsie in Electricity and Magnetism, a better defined version for the lay
man available Free on google books. by George Carey Foster, Jules François Joubert, Edmund Atkinson Longmans, Green, and co., 1896 - Science - 576 pages Make time to read this book, it's the only way to knowing the truth. Then make your own devices to harvest and transform energy
Quote: Originally Posted by FRC I got some ammonia and will try heating zinc glass Mason jar covers with a torch. FRC if I am not mistaken, canning jars comes with steel lid with thin zinc coating. why not just buy zinc oxide powder?. I have seen them on ebay for $5/lb as recent as yesterday.
Quote: Originally Posted by altrez
Hey will this work? Zinc Oxide Powder ZnO - 1 lb. + 30% extra bonus on eBay! Thanks! that should work this is a smaller particle powder that will dissolve easier Zinc Oxide Powder 1 lb. with FREE SHIPPING - eBay (item 120567402690 end time Mar-04-11 13:46:39 PST) thats a good vendor, i also buy from them NaOH food grade for my sea water extractions.
I just found a book by J.C. Maxwell on Henry Cavendish's Electrical Experiments. Amazing, I must say he was profecient in Mathematic and his discoveries were centuries ahead of his time. The life of the Hon. Henry Cavendish by Geroge Wilson, 1851 is an excellent Biography.
Quote: Originally Posted by Cherryman Hi Powerme, great info! I have a few questions: - Is this kind of HHO also suitable to light a torch? and/or is the mist above the water explosive?
- Can u use any crystal? ( I have a piece of black tourmaline) - I have seen 20 Khz and 30 Khz foggers, does that make a difference? Regards C'man the transducer primarily produces atomize water and I just add ZnO crystals to harvest the ultrasonic waves that would otherwise be wasted as heat, the crystals generates HHO, effeciency ?. All I know is that it produces enough to make the gasous mixture combustible by spark within the ICE. It may not be suitable for constant flame, I am working on different electrodes for HHO electrolysis as I found stainless steel to be the worst material due to high restivity.
Quote: Originally Posted by altrez Ok I got some on the way "Your order is complete!" Now to make the crystals I can just mix household ammonia with the Zinc and let it sit in a cool dark place until the ammonia evaporates and I should have some good crystals? is that correct? Thank you! -Altrez you will end up with ZnCl(OH) if you use ammonia chloride. Best to buy ammonia hydroxide as that is the form that I used.
Quote: Originally Posted by altrez Will this work? Ammonium Hydroxide Concentrated 15 Molar Reagent 30mL this should work.
Quote: Originally Posted by FRC What common household cleaner (or other source) would have ammonia hydroxide in it ? FRC Glass cleaner, and supposedly containers labeled just Ammonia. Thats what I bought. source:Wikipedia sorry, haven't tried that. dissolve ZnO in Ammonium Hydroxide technical grade. Set Freezer to coldest setting, 3 hours should be enough for a small batch of 30ml. Then let sit in well ventilated area.
Quote: Originally Posted by Roland Nickle 200 is good for electrodes low resistance and holds up well. It does seem to produce a slightly different gas form SS. yes, I'm blending different alloys do find the best correlation of conductivity and electrolysis. I am also using crystalline alloy.
FRC, you need to freeze solution to -0 degree C, use a probe to check temp, for me I get there in 2 hrs, then i leave it for an additional 1 hr. I use a glass jar pint size to mix, i sue glass rod to mix, close lid then freeze. After freeze, I just set it on the table by a window and leave alone. Check a few days later, all dried with nice crysals.
dont forget to open lid so your solution evaporates. crystals HHO gas production can improved upon with addition of other elements but if someone can replicate what i had disclosed then we'll continue the discussions. [quote=FRC;130218]Will just straight fog (without the crystals) from the fogger work using a plasma spark? Yes, that's what they do with atomize water injection. See how much gas u can cut back and keep engine running. FRC Quote: Originally Posted by FRC Was hoping to put together a plasma setup with a flyback transformerl. Have not got around to that yet either. Have been doing alum batteries today. FRC you can simply use off the shelf engine without having to build a circuit.
i was trying out other crystals like barium titanate and came across this: The researchers, led by UW-Madison geologist and crystal specialist Huifang Xu, grew nanocrystals of two common crystals, zinc oxide and barium titanate, and placed them in water. When pulsed with ultrasonic vibrations, the nanofibers flexed and catalyzed a chemical reaction to split the water molecules into hydrogen and oxygen. When the fibers bend, asymmetries in their crystal structures generate positive and negative charges and create an electrical potential. This phenomenon, called the piezoelectric effect, has been well known in certain crystals for more than a century and is the driving force behind quartz clocks and other applications it seems like there's already patent application pending on what I am doing.
Quote: Originally Posted by bugler Can you elaborate on this? simply means they vibrate, motion of bending back and forth just like an electrical coil in oscillation. the crystals however liberate water into Hydrogen and Oxygen by consuming the surplus ultrasonic waves that would other wise be wasted as heat is a normal fogging machine. the crystals efficiency is around 15% for regular water but since we are atomizing water into much finer molecules, our efficiency is much greater.
if one was to put together an atomizing HHO water fuel kit for small generator 6kwh, this kit will include all components required but will need to produce water fuel and will need 2 hrs assembly time. how much should it be priced?.
Quote: Originally Posted by bugler Could you post a diagram? Thanks. As soon as I finish my examns I want to take a serious look to this. it is not an electrical circuit. I would like some remuneration for my work before it is widely duplicated freely. my unit is quite simple and it is just an improvement of existing devices. i have designed an atomizing chamber based on my experiments that produces large amount of atomize water along with HHO. Further improvements includes 2 and 3 stage tanks for filtering of water, atomize water, Hydrogen and Oxygen separately. This will allow the gas to be custom blended and run all types of ICE without further modification. The tanks are the only part that I designed, the rest are off the shelf components. If there is enough interest, I will source a supplier to produce my design abroad as production cost is much cheaper there.
i am not looking to make a lot of money as excess wealth is useless to me. the system is very simple as I had already explained, all you need really is a fogging unit, ZnO crystals, and a container to house your unit. that's really it. but my kit will be a turn key system that I have already perfected and have run a genset for over 500 hrs of testing. I also have made improvements to the ceramic transducers with my own blend of crystals but am not quite done with it.
Quote: Originally Posted by bugler You want logical compensation for the information you are providing and I want to discuss that. If you want to do it in the forum it is ok with me. I want to know exactly what you have achieved. The watts you are capable of producing. The number of machines you have made. If you know how long the generator works before having problems. The cost of running the device (cost making crystals, etc). What type of arrengement for producing/selling the generator you would find reasonable. etc. hey bugler, i have run these ICE stable 22cc small engine - 100 hrs 5hp genset - 200 hrs 10hp genset - 500+ hrs 2.4 L 2366 cc small truck - 250+ hrs cystals production cost is $30/lb
piezo ceramic backed transducers is $3 each. atomizing chamber is the only major component. the rest are off the shelf.
Quote: Originally Posted by kcarring Sounds like a modern twist on the Keely experiment. 99.99 of the populace will not understand the work of Keely, his frequency chart has helped me a lot. I am still at elemantry study of his work. so sad that the world continues to choose and live by the lies.
Quote: Originally Posted by bugler Impressive. Have you actually run the small truck? It really sounds like you have the key to free electricity in a really easy way. What kind of arrengement would you find satisfactory? In which country do you live? I ask cause I live in Spain in case we have the chance to meet or something. everyone holds the key to freedom, the earth is abundant. i am not close by for you to visit, sorry. i will tell you all that I know,
just show me some progress. i wish more people will take a step further and replicate this and make it work and tell others about it. please forget about the so called mainstream methods of generating free energy that has kept you prisoned for all these years. there are many ways to harvest energy, you can easily make your own different types of crystals to harvest energy of many different frequencies. even silicon crystals for photovoltaics can be easily home made but there are much better methods.
hey FRC, you can use either ammonium hydroxide or chloride as the precursors, they will both yield crystals with good qualities.
Quote: Originally Posted by altrez @all Just wanted to share this link as it really backups what powerme is explaining. Zinc Oxide Crystal Acting as Piezoelectric Material To Get Hydrogen From Water | Hydrogen Power -Altrez thanks for the link, crystals of different types of metal oxides will also work.
the idea is to make water fuel combustible by ICE, the fine fog of water mist with HHO will be burned as fuel, so far my genset has shown no sign of wear. It does runs much cooler and I have only changed the oil once after 500 hrs. spark causes ionization of atomize water liberating even more HHO in the ICE as it combusts. for those making crystals, you can accelerate the drying time with a small oven in well ventilated area. even microwave will work but it will dehydrate the crystals which yields different qualities, more to be studied on microwaved crystals.
Quote: Originally Posted by Roland Powerme, You have let the Genie out of the bottle. This is great because this simple method (if works) can't be put back in the bottle. Now for some others doing verifacation and we are off. I will be trying this on my gen-set as soon as time permits. I'm sure at least 2 others here will be on this ASAP if not in the works already. If you decide to sell kits, id be glad to by one from you, and steer others in your direction. I believe marketing would be tricky for you but their is value (for many of us) to be able to support the inventor/originator. I do worry about running a gen-set with water/hho long term. What Karring said and oil contamination as well. Plus adjusting timing, waste sparks... You say you can dial in the ratios H:O2 ... I'm not sure how you accomplish this. That part seems tricky. i was thinking about selling kits but I think that I have already been compensated in many other ways. i will just disclose all that I have discovered here for all to replicate and improve upon, no need to sell kits as everything can be made
with off the shelf components. i will make time to draw a diagram for my 1st gen cells and will post later today.
Quote: Originally Posted by altrez I have a question. Do I need to just pour the Crystal mix into a small glass dish and the crystals will form and grow from it or do I need to add something like a paper clip for them to form on before I put the solution into the freezer? Thanks! -Altrez the crystals are self seeding. these crystals are not the typical large crystals that most people grow at home. the single crystals are very small, nano size, at this size, they are able to pick up all induced waves and convert waves into electrolysis of water. Quote: Originally Posted by altrez I have a question. Do I need to just pour the Crystal mix into a small glass dish and the crystals will form and grow from it or do I need to add something like a paper clip for them to form on before I put the solution into the freezer? Thanks! -Altrez
the crystals are self seeding. these crystals are not the typical large crystals that most people grow at home. the single crystals are very small, nano size, at this size, they are able to pick up all induced waves and convert waves into electrolysis of water. i have been trying to come up with a simple low temperature method to growing micro size single crystals at low temperature that is simple enough for anyone to perform. the mainstream ZnO single cystals are fused at high temperature and vapor deposited requiring complicated setup and technical expertise. The simplified ZnO crystals growing method that I had posted earlier has not been consistent with yield of HHO gas produced when crystals resonates at ultrasonic waves. each batch have different growth structures due to temperature fluctuations. This is a simplified version for home use. Please use all precaution, I am not responsible for anything that may occur. Materials: 1lb. Zinc powder nano. 1 gallon ammonia cleaning (ammonium hydroxide) Hot plate with Magnetic Stirrer teflon coated stir bar. 1 liter boiling flask with stopper. reflux condenser if available. water bath. Dissolve 30 grams of ZnO in each 300 ml of 30% ammonium chloride/ hydroxide. This is best done by filling 300 ml of 30% amonnium hydroxide into the flask and place on stirrer with teflon bar. DO not
turn on the heat, Turn on Stirrer to low speed, #3. Slowly add zinc oxide to solution. When all ZnO is dispensed, cap flask and turn up stirrer to maximum and let it mix for 30 minutes. Place flask in the Freezer and freeze solution to -0 degrees C. When you reach this temperature, allow an additional 1 hr. Before reflux, bath flask in a bowl of room temperature water for 5 minutes to avoid thermal shock and breakage of flask. Set up water bath, large boiling glass bowl with water. Put your flask of cold solution in the water bath and set up reflux condenser with water tube, if you don't have one then just cap your flask tightly and turn on heat. Allow solution to heat up to 60 degrees C, maintain 60 deg C temperature for 2 hours, crystals will grow during this time. Let solution cool to room temperature, Filter solution and recover crystals.
For best result, follow this method. http://nathan.instras.com/documentDB/paper-243.pdf 706 C.-H. Hung, W.-T. Whang / Materials Chemistry and Physics 82 (2003) 705–710 Fig. 1. A schematic illustration for ZnO nanorod growth on nanostructured substrate by soft chemical method: (a–b) formation of ZnO nanoparticle colloids through sol–gel reaction and dispersion on ITO substrate; 2.1. Preparation of ∼4.3 nm ZnO nanoparticle seeds
The ZnO nanoparticles were prepared by sol–gel reaction with cetyltrimethylammonium hydroxide (CTAOH) as both catalysts, and surfactants (Fig. 1(a)). The 0.01M of zinc acetate [Zn(CH3COOH)2·2H2O] was dissolved in ethanol under vigorous stirring at 60 ◦C for 1 h, then cooled to 0 ◦C. The cetyltrimethylammonium hydroxide was then added into the solution with a molar ratio of Zn2+ /CTAOH =1/1.6 under constant stirring for 30 min. The mixture was subsequently refluxed at 60 ◦C for 2 h to grow ZnO nanoparticles and allowed cooling to room temperature.
Quote: Originally Posted by bugler You have no idea how excited I am about all this. This friday I will finish my last exam and I will start growing the crystals (at least I will try) and research the rest of the parts. By the way, could you post some ebay ads (or any other webiste selling foggers) with foggers so we know exactly what you are talking about. Thanks. sorry, busy day. i'll work on diagram and post it up soon. for the fogger machine, buy this small machine, 1 unit piezo for $24.95, shipping included.
you can run a small engine 20cc on it. Shopping Cart System you can design and build your own atomizer and only buy the ceramic piezo cells.
bugler, look on ebay too, or the net, or where ever you can find a good deal. i have gotten some emails about starting a new thread, I don't mind staying here. what do you guys think?.
I can not edit, lack this privilege so I'll just add more notes. on making crystals, if you have a hard time dissolving ZnO powder in ammonium, then turn on heat and heat solution upto 60 deg C. place your hot boiling flask inside a bowl before freezing incase it breaks from thermal shock.
Quote: Originally Posted by FRC Here is a link and a picture of one. E-119 700 Watt Fog Machine W/Remote make sure it's a piezoelectric machine that uses piezo transducers. what you need is fine atomize water fog and ultrasonic waves, the
crystals will harvest surplus waves to make HHO. there are many different types of fogging machine, some are heat element.
some fogger comes with buoy, this will be very useful for auto shutoff when water level is low. it is best for you to get a small 1 piezo fogger to learn on while making your crystals, then buy a large unit to be able to run large gensets or custom build your own.
Quote: Originally Posted by Cherryman Watch out! This one is a heater with special fluids. That is the wrong Fogger !
You need the ultrasonic ones as Powerme stated. As this ones: Wholesale ultrasonic transducer-The humidifier thanks cherry, this piezo fogger is a big one, easily able to run 6kwh genset. their power consumption is much lower thn conventional fogger, but we can improve it more.
Quote: Originally Posted by altrez Will this work for a small test. Ultrasonic Mist Maker Fogger Water Fountain Pond 12 LED - eBay (item 120684911420 end time Mar-15-11 23:09:56 PDT) -Altrez yes, that will be good for testing. i got one too without the led.
Quote: Originally Posted by Roland I no what a reflux condenser is, but i have never used one. I thought they where to collect the condensation from whatever you where heating. In this case, are the crystals formed form the condensate? Condenser (laboratory) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Coil reflux condenser: 24/40, 400mm Premium lab glass on eBay! the condensor can be used for many purpose. in this case, it is to contain the solution by boiling it in its own vapor, while the outside water jacket cools the vessel as to avoid excess pressure build up. ammonium hydroxide boils at about 36 deg C, we are using 35% content.
Quote: Originally Posted by altrez
It is my understanding that the condenser is not really needed. The crystals form in the solution that is in the bottom flask. You can also use a condenser to allow the presure and fumes to escape in a safe way for venting. For exmaple your glass can explode easly under pressure after heating the crystal mixture. -Altrez i think it may be best to use a condenser so we won't have nasty accidents.
sorry, that was 30% ammonium hydroxide
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most of my crystals were made following exact procedures as detailed in published papers. there are many papers available on researches that have already been done different nano scale crystal elements. this saves me a lot of time and effort. I think we should do the same here and not simplify the procedures by taking out steps and chemicals that were called for in the original papers. this will ensure consistent quality in the crystals and save time and money not having wasted materials.
you also need CETYL-TRIMETHYL-AMMONIUM hydroxide
my simplified version DOES WORK, the crystals do make HHO but I lack the time and resources to perfect an easier method of crystal production. since you guys are just starting with crystals, why not use your fresh energy in making it perfect with commonly available chemicals such as ammonia cleaning solutions etc. i just have too many things going on right now.
Quote: Originally Posted by james west i have read through this thread about 3 times now just to double check i read correctly and have not misinterpreted anything.I do not wish to appear negative but i am still unsure on the following: 1/ if this piezoelectric effect is only 15% / 18% efficient then how is this a better process than straight electrolysis at 70% efficiency for producing a HHO / water vapour mix? 2/ you state that you are able to start your generator on gasoline then lean it back untill the engine is running using only the HHO/water vapour. You have not said this but are you supplying more power input in the form of ultrasonic transducers to produce the HHO than the generator would be able to produce. Do you have a closed system? you are not wasting energy to produce HHO, pulsed dc powers transducers atomizing water with efficiency around 70% also, you are using crystals to harvest surplus waves to fracture atomize water into HHO with proven efficiency of 15% with regular water, but in this case you are splitting molecules much much smaller which
elevates the crystals efficiencies beyond the Law of energy conversion. please try and build one to see.
Quote: Originally Posted by altrez Hey powerme can you please give us a link to the papers you used to grow your crystals? That way we can fallow the exact same steps you used inorder to replicate this effect. Thank you! -Altrez the paper has been posted many times in this thread. i have tried household ammonia and it does work but at a lower efficiency, that is all that you really need. The gas just needs to be combustible, electrical spark will further advance the process of dissociation of the atomized water. krupa sparks works excellent.
Quote: Originally Posted by QMC Powerme, you say that you've tested this setup with a multimeter and seen electricity. Could you elaborate, please? see post #110 for explanation. you guys just need to start growing crystals.
i will finish my diagram when time permits, i'll be travelling so can't post for the next coming week. hope you guys will have some crystals ready and we can put this into practical use to save on energy.
Quote: Originally Posted by QMC Post 110 is unrelated to my question. I'm not asking for mechanisms, here, I just want to know what your multimeter was set to measure (voltage or current) and where you touched the meter's probes to. This is because you said you detected electricity using a multimeter after placing your crystals into the atomizer's reservoir. I want to know whether you mean you detected voltage, or current, and between which points. One point on the crystal and one point in the water? Two random points in the water bath? What, specifically, did you detect with the multimeter? I did a reading on my first 1 piezo cell, there was voltage, no current. immerse both points in the water, reading is not stable. it will light up those light probe. i do not really care for multi-meter reading as they are false, don't have time to explain. make some crystal guys, see ya later.
Quote: Originally Posted by RAD-HHO Are you using Tyvek? Wikipedia states: "Water vapor can pass through Tyvek (highly breathable), but not liquid water"
Is it in the water, or fog? Is it necessary? Thanks, Rick i just have to chk, good progress guys, but please, grow some crystals. waves tends to splash all times sending crystals splatering all over, it is best to contain crystals, they are really fine powder micro scopic nano sizes. it is best to contain them in an envelope but must be wettable by water as most waves is in the water. crystals are not consumed, they will last a long time, excess heat will break down their dielectric constant, I am not exactly sure of their value but it is in the 100's. CnO crystals grown according to the before mentionted procedure with reflux will varie in sizes from 1000 nm to 10 nm, do not stir your mixture during the last reflux phase so that the crystals will grow in size, the ZnO powder is already nm sizes. these mixed sized will allow it to resonate to broad spectrum of frequencies with the khz range. typical ultrasonic fogger found on ebay will work just fine.
Quote: Originally Posted by Cherryman I'm not an expert :-) I did notice looking around for foggers that some have the Khz mentioned
in their details, but not all. I asked it because the resonance of the fogger might have to be in accordance with the resonance of the crystal .. Anyway, just thinking out loud. Did find some background info on foggers and fire http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?topic=1239.0 there are many uses for piezoelectric atomized water, you can inject it directly into your engine without crystals and cut back on gasoline. the addition of crystals will allow you run your ICE on water fuel alone. great link, lots of information there. there's a complete paper on ZnO crystal properties, I will try and dig it up when I get back.
Quote: Originally Posted by Roland I think the 30kHZ would be better. It was mentioned that 45kHZ is very good, and lead me to believe 30 kHZ is the minimum. Where did you find Ultrasonic transducers/transformers that listed the HZ's? I did find a 10 head fogger stating a1700 kHZ I dont know if thats adjustable? NEW 10 Head Pond Fogger Mister HYDROPONICS, HALLOWEEN eBay (item 270441868179 end time Mar-05-11 04:43:11 PST)
PWM and finding some stand alone piezoceramic transducers might be the better way the ultrasonnic fogger is the easiest way to go but not as effecient as custom build unit, if you buy a small piezo transducer, you can power it with pulse dc and it will work. i recommend that you buy only the 1 piezo unit to learn on, this is very simple. i will show you how different geometries governs wave qualities, you can put together off the shelf componenets that best suit your needs.
Quote: Originally Posted by QMC Okay, this explanation is vague, so I'd like to clarify: You placed the two leads of a commercial (presumably battery-operated) AC voltage sensor into the water, and it lit up, indicating an AC voltage between the two points in the water. Is this correct? Please attempt a thorough explanation because so far it's not clear at all, but it's getting clearer with each post.
I had thought you used a multimeter because that's what you said you used in your earlier post. Why you would think that a multimeter provides less reliable data than a commercial "hot circuit tester" I don't know, but as you said you're unwilling to explain. And again, I'm just assuming that by "light probe" this is in fact what you meant, an AC voltage sensor intended to test whether a household circuit is energized or not; something like the following, but with two test leads (since you referred to placing the leads into the water): Voltage Tester Am I correct that this is what you mean by "light probe?"
I inserted multi-meter points into the water, it reads positive voltage but will not give a constant reading as it can not accurately scan bi polarity at infrared range, multi-meter uses crystal oscillator to compute calculation, you need precision meters designed for high frequency reading. It is much relaible to use gold leaf instrument. it is hard for most to comprehend the process as your knowlede is different. you are capable of manifesting a WHOLE lot more but you must abandon what you use, your tool of mental processing is false. digital meters measures restrictions of electron flow. electricity is a retarded and densed transformed wave, polarized into negative and positive. with crystals, both polarities are produced in an oscillation motion, it is seperated by the qualities of the element employed. certain elements will be charges positive where as others are negative. the books I mentioned in my first post will explain the true nature of electicity.
Quote: Originally Posted by ewizard I was unaware of anything like those but my guess is they are marked way up in price due to the kind of market being targeted. I seriously doubt they are any more efficient than the ultrasonic foggers seen on ebay and other places mentioned in this thread. For much less than the price of most of those you can get a pond fogger that will probably generate enough to run a small car engine. I don't believe jewelry cleaners actually create a fog since they are intended to keep the solution in and vibrate it in a way to clean jewelry. I think your best bet is what has been shown here already. The single foggers like you would use in a small indoor fountain can be found on ebay for only about $4.50 including the
shipping. I'm just wondering if a dozen of those running from a single power supply (less than $60) wouldn't make just as much mist and be cheaper than buying the 10 or 12 disk ones that seem to run more around $150 to $200 or so. you do not need to buy large expensive unit, but it is best to buy 1 cheap fogger to experiment with. a simple piezo transduces clipped with dc - and + anywhere on the conductive housing will begin to vibrate, all you need to do is water proof the piezo conductive (stainless steel plate) are and only expose the piezo ceramic face, immerse in water and you have ultrasonic atomization of water. i do not want to give you my own design as you are very capable of creating your own, but I will tell you the errors I have found to speed up the process. please, lets progress as we are standing still in development. FRC, please stop trolling witth the same issues and concentrate your efforts on this project, if not then conduct other research.
Quote: Originally Posted by QMC Can I assume that you've used a high frequency data acquisition setup, then, or a "gold leaf instrument" (I assume you're talking about some kind of electrostatic sensor)? More to the point, could you explain why you are confident that you are generating useful power with your device? I assume you understand that measuring a voltage (if you have in fact done so) does not by itself indicate that you are generating any usable power. Again, please be thorough in your answer. I appreciate your willingness so far to move to
conversation forward, albeit slowly. hey QMC, I do not have such apparatus at my disposal, nor do I care for them. my simple observation at the time as retrived from memory was that there was a potential reading, my walmart multi-meter picked up both DC and AC, and the simple AC light probe did light up as well. there is no usable power in the water, my experiment was to make a combustible water fuel which was achieved. i do not have any more answer for your curious unquiry, any further comments will lead to pure speculations based on fancy theories of which I have no intrerest in doing. why don't you please replicate my simple experiment so that you can answer all of your questions with real results that only you can produce
Quote: Originally Posted by RAD-HHO Anxious to get started growing some crystals. Waiting on zinc oxide to get here from Florida. It shipped yesterday. My fogger will be a couple weeks. Coming from China. May have to go to the local pet store to get one. Powerme: What you have explained is very simple and staight forward to me. I appreciate your sharing with us. Do you have any pix of your setup you can share? glad to hear that you are moving forward with this. great job, on making crystals, please be careful and use precaution.
for those of you that are growing crystals, a set of chemistry glassware is a good investment. I wish to have as many replication done on ZnO crystals water fuel and then we will move forward to other more practical methods of Electrical Production by harvesting radiations directly.
Hey FRC, pls accept my apologies, no hard feeling. perhaps you are trying too hard, true knowledge comes naturally, it is just another sensory. save time by using ZnO powder, I had asked ewizard to post instuctables for those that are new to chemistry or for anyone that has background in this field, my plate is full at the moment. i hope to get this going for you guys ASAP. Let's do this guys, and tell everyone else about it, that is your obligation. keep up the good work
February 17, 2011 Powerme Quote:
Originally Posted by Slovenia Powerme, you are a very interesting guy. I'm enjoying your posts. Thanks for sharing with the herded class. glad to share my 2 cents of knowledge. for those asking for pictures and videos, I will only trade graphical illustrations like videos and pictures when you earn it, my goal is to unleash your own wisdom that has been buried deep by the false knowledge called education. please continue the efforts, I had disclosed the power consumption in the magnet thread.
my genset consumes 280 watts while 3kwh is taken constantly, I had run it 8 hours daily for over 2 months, oil change was done at 500 hrs. buy 1 cheap fogger for experimenting. you only need to buy ceramic piezo transducers and we will design our own atomizing chamber which the piezo will be mounted in. someone here can buy 2cm piezo in bulk, 100 lots for $150 shipping included from Aliexpress and resell to others, I use 5cm piezo but not necessary as 2 cm is fine.
edit: 2 x 5 cm piezo runs at 36v pulsed dc taken from genset, average 280 watts power consumption.
February 17, 2011 Powerme Quote:
Originally Posted by Slovenia If the device was proven to work and provide 100% water fuel capability, I think you could sell at least 1000 of them for $500 each. There would be much demand for that. If it did the same for a car, 100% water fuel capability, you could get at least $1500 for each kit. thanks for your input, very enticing but I must pass. i had traded my luxury vehicle for a 30 yrs old truck, I have abolished conveniences that are wasteful, I labor daily in my garden, I would not trade my new found freedom for anything else. i wish to proceed with the replication, but not just give you my design but rather show you how to empower yourself with natural logics. This is the only way to changing, you have to realize what is wrong first, only then will you be able to see the solutions. there are many things that is very wrong with our world, i do not want to continue with the never ending ranting, you will see it on your own and together we will make a change. for those that have attained the knowledge but are comfortable sitting on the sideline, Shame on You, may you be recycled tirelessly for eternity. Please people, can some one please finish their crystals so that we may continue.
I will post a complete video with my design upon the completion of the first successful replication, anyone can reproduce and sell them, but I demand the the price must be fair, the cost of production for a quality unit shall not exceed $100 if done abroad. I do not want anything in return as I am quite happy with what I have and current situation.
great job. can we see a picture of your chamber, what equipments do you have for heating ?. I am worried about pressure build up, there are many simple ways to cooling the flask while reflux. great job. you're spark method may be a better route for ignition, I am not familiar with it but have seen the new thread by Aaron. if you can post more info for other to see, that will be great.
Quote: Originally Posted by altrez I have built my water spark plug and it works. I used this PDF to replicate the great work of all the guys in the Water Spark Plug thread http://www.panaceauniversity.org/Wat...ark%20Plug.pdf Water Sparkplug I have setup my ultrasonic fogger that I purchased for the water spark plug and it works as well. I knew all of that would work because of all the research I did on the water spark plug. Now the new thing that has been added in this thread by powerme is the HHO generation with ZNO Crystals. I received my ZNO powder today and will try to make the crystals this weekend. I have lots of tests to run with and without the Crystal. Is there anything at all I can do and or post for you guys that would help you out.
Again I do not know if the crystals will work; however I can confirm that the Water Spark Plug and ultra sonic generator does. -Altrez
Originally Posted by altrez Here is a quick youtube video I made with my phone. YouTube - Water Spark Plug Test #2 -Altrez great test, get a round bowl about the same size as your tupperware, they come with a lid. insert a barb fitting on lid and route hose to gasline of a small engine, you do not need the water spark circuit, just upgrade your small engine plugs to E3 plugd from autopart store. load in 2 envelopes of 30 grams each of ZnO crystals, you can use envelopes found inside lead acid car battery, just seal edge well with water resistant tape. that should let you run your small engine, 20cc staight off ZnO water fuel.
February 17, 2011 Powerme get your crystal going and I'll put up my small engine experiments.
Originally Posted by FRC We have all been excited by this. It is good to see some verification of it. Which should spur us on even more. Thanks again Powerme, by the way, where are you getting waterproof tape ? I got some years ago at a marine supply when I owned a boat. Have not been able to find it again since. The best I have found to use is clear plastic tape but not as good.
FRC no, no, no, thank you guys for making this happen, this has no use for me but others can utilize them well!. i bought a bunch of tape in china last year, just seal the edge with a hot iron, the envelopes are plastic membrane.
take pre-caution and safety measures when opening lead acid battery. a large battery can make a perfect chamber for ZnO HHO, more on that later. drain acid, recycle please. save lead for upcoming Radiant Energy Receiver project, you should get over 10 lbs pf lead from each battery. that translate to over 1000 watts of Free Energy 24hrs daily.
Originally Posted by powerme thanks for your input, very enticing but I must pass. i had traded my luxury vehicle for a 30 yrs old truck, I have abolished conveniences that are wasteful, I labor daily in my garden, I would not trade my new found freedom for anything else. i wish to proceed with the replication, but not just give you my design but rather show you how to empower yourself with natural logics. This is the only way to changing, you have to realize what is wrong first, only then will you be able to see the solutions. there are many things that is very wrong with our world, i do not want to continue with the never ending ranting, you will see it on your own and together we will make a change. for those that have attained the knowledge but are comfortable sitting on the sideline, Shame on You, may you be recycled tirelessly for eternity. Please people, can some one please finish their crystals so that we may continue. I will post a complete video with my design upon the completion of the first successful replication,
anyone can reproduce and sell them, but I demand the the price must be fair, the cost of production for a quality unit shall not exceed $100 if done abroad. I do not want anything in return as I am quite happy with what I have and current situation. The above statement is just one more reason I believe in what powerme is sharing here. I just bought my Zinc oxide powder.
February 17, 2011 Ewizard I have one question on the envelope. Somewhere back in this thread or possibly the original one it was mentioned about using Tyvek envelopes. Is that what you are referring to as being in a lead acid battery? I'm lost on that statement. I do know a good source of sealable Tyvek envelopes if that is what would be best but if not I'm not sure what the other thing is inside a battery that you mention (but I haven't opened up any lead acid batteries in a long time). BTW if anyone doesn't know Tyvek it is what is often wrapped around a house during construction as a moisture and wind barrier. Super tough paper looking stuff but almost impossible to tear it. Also used by the post office in the U.S. for some priority mail envelopes.
February 17, 2011
Powerme Quote: Originally Posted by ewizard I have one question on the envelope. Somewhere back in this thread or possibly the original one it was mentioned about using Tyvek envelopes. Is that what you are referring to as being in a lead acid battery? I'm lost on that statement. I do know a good source of sealable Tyvek envelopes if that is what would be best but if not I'm not sure what the other thing is inside a battery that you mention (but I haven't opened up any lead acid batteries in a long time). BTW if anyone doesn't know Tyvek it is what is often wrapped around a house during construction as a moisture and wind barrier and yet is breathable unlike plastic (which can lock moisture in a house). Super tough paper looking stuff but almost impossible to tear it. Also used by the post office in the U.S. for some priority mail envelopes.
i mentioned the battery envelope as it is available easily. it is a composite of polyethylene with silicon and other fibers, very durable and allows 1-30 micrometers pores, water is 1 micro meter in molecule length. tyvek has smaller pores, 1-10 micro meters, it will work also. this is not the best to place crystals but the easiest for learning. the crystals will be smaller but they will be contained well enough. this is where your creativity will come into play.
Quote: Originally Posted by Slovenia Yes, I feel quite impressed with Powerme too. He's definitely not the average guy. I'll bet he knows about pineal gland activation too. Thanks Powerme!! thanks for the compliment but I rather have you not continue such occult, I as starting to feel uncomfortable though. the knowledge is within you, you do not need to force your connection as it does not work that way, you must pay your dues by being sincere and doing virtues such as abolishment of greed and self control of materialistic desires, all will come into place. but please, lets concentrate on this project.
ok guys, I got a tyvek envelope and filled with water and placed on napkin, after 10 minutes, still dry. Looks like it's pores are less than a micrometer. stick with battery membrane, that I know that will work.
what I have been using is Nafion membrane from our Lab, it is a a bit pricey. I have used battery membranes in my other water experiments and it is wettable. can't wait for someone to start their crystals, please keep us updated.
someone had asked about the ZnO fuel consumption, it was 4 hrs per gallon running a 10 hp 6kwh genset with 1/2 constant load draw. i had posted this on the magnet thread earlier, just catching up with the thread.
February 18, 2011 Powerme
ok guys, I got a tyvek envelope and filled with water and placed on napkin, after 10 minutes, still dry. Looks like it's pores are less than a micrometer. stick with battery membrane, that I know that will work.
what I have been using is Nafion membrane from our Lab, it is a a bit pricey. I have used battery membranes in my other water experiments and it is wettable. can't wait for someone to start their crystals, please keep us updated.
someone had asked about the ZnO fuel consumption, it was 4 hrs per gallon running a 10 hp 6kwh genset with 1/2 constant load draw. i had posted this on the magnet thread earlier, just catching up with the thread.
Quote: Originally Posted by FRC Do not have a Shopper's here, but could get my sister in Calgary to check there. Thanks for the info. FRC buy from the link i posted earlier, $24.95 shipping included. comes with extra piezo, save and energy and time running around.
Quote: Originally Posted by FRC If this is the post and link you refered to it does not go anywhere just back here. FRC
Ultrasonic Water Fogger-The Mist Maker
they ship priority mail from Los Angeles, fast delivery. someone else posted a wholesale link where the same foggers were listed at $14.95, don't know if it makes economical sense in re-selling to others with re-shipping.
February 19, 2011 Power1 this is powerme, got banned so I have to behave hurry up already guys, let's finish this. i don't know how much longer I can do this.
February 19, 2011 Quote:
Originally Posted by bugler Which one should we buy? the cheapest one, think it's $24.95 can't remember, too many beer .
February 19, 2011 ok guys, in case I get banned again, we can continue this project at overunity forum, I have a thread there.
February 19, 2011
Originally Posted by altrez Why did you get banned? ask Aaron, trying to explain what causes plasma effect, there is no such thing as diode effect, ask anyone in Electrical Engenieering. I found that it is caused by superconductive, phase shift of silicon, there are other elements that have this property too, it is common in semi-conductors but a secrecy, semi-conductors can harvest a band of frequencies and cosmic rays. pop off the cap of a large metal cap transistors and measure with a multi-meter, you can even charge a small battery with it.
February 19, 2011
Quote: Originally Posted by altrez whats the link to the ou thread? Practical Method for Production of Water Fuel with Piezoelectric
February 19, 2011
anyone made crystals yet?
February 19, 2011 Altrez Going to the market today to by some ammonia will post results this afternoon. I have asked the local science geeks about this and basically they said you will get crystal production even if you mess up pretty badly. They also said a coffee filter is a very good cheep container to use for
testing. However to get the higher efficiency you need lab equipment an dedicated chemicals. So even if I get a poor yield with low efficiency I should see a spark bigger then the one I posted on youtube with just adding a coffee filter full of my crystal yield. Would you say that is correct powerme? -Altrez
February 19, 2011 Power1 I was going to save this for later versions but we'll do it now. addition of magnesium chloride amplifies the dielectric constant of the crystals, my best crystals were made of ZnO blend with magnesium chloride extracted from sea water. Sea water contains all elements known to man, even noble elements. It is in Iodide, bromide and chloride form. It is done with simple acid/base extractions and then partial distillation to recover each element. Superconductivity has other phases too, Josephson tunneling, that is what they call diode tunneling. When sea extracted Mg is added, the HHO production is magnified several folds.
February 19, 2011 Quote:
Originally Posted by altrez
Going to the market today to by some ammonia will post results this afternoon. I have asked the local science geeks about this and basically they said you will get crystal production even if you mess up pretty badly. They also said a coffee filter is a very good cheep container to use for testing. However to get the higher efficiency you need lab equipment an dedicated chemicals. So even if I get a poor yield with low efficiency I should see a spark bigger then the one I posted on youtube with just adding a coffee filter full of my crystal yield. Would you say that is correct powerme? -Altrez the main thing is that you freeze till -0, then boil at 60 degrees for 2 hrs, when boiling your flask, do you have one?, cap tightly and put a wet towel around it, just drip water to keep it cool. A hot plate should be ok, crytals will start to grow when you boil, but you dont want them to get too big, swirl the flask every 5 minutes if you dont have a stirrer
Originally Posted by power1 I was going to save this for later versions but we'll do it now. addition of magnesium chloride amplifies the dielectric constant of the crystals, my best crystals were made of ZnO blend with magnesium chloride extracted from sea water. Sea water contains all elements known to man, even noble elements. It is in Iodide, bromide and chloride form. It is done with simple acid/base extractions and then partial distillation to recover each element. Superconductivity has other phases too, Josephson tunneling, that is what they call diode tunneling. When sea extracted Mg is added, the HHO production is magnified several folds. The way I understand magnesium chloride to work with HHO production is its use as a great electrolyte? If you add it in with your ZnO it will melt and allow your crystals to have a very conductive plain to produce electricity and thus make HHO. It should give up to a %50 increase or more output of HHO. We are getting pretty close to making an element that produces HHO in water without any electricity needed. I am trying to find the info but you can also take aluminum and magnesium together and they produce tons of HHO with no added electricity.
So for example if you went that route the mist would act as your fuel and the HHO as the catalyst to cause the explosive reaction needed to push a engine. All very interesting -Altrez Thanks for sharing powerme.
Originally Posted by power1 the main thing is that you freeze till -0, then boil at 60 degrees for 2 hrs, when boiling your flask, do you have one?, cap tightly and put a wet towel around it, just drip water to keep it cool. A hot plate should be ok, crytals will start to grow when you boil, but you dont want them to get too big, swirl the flask every 5 minutes if you dont have a stirrer I was told that a masson Jar with lid will work up to 130 degrees so that should be fine. I was also told that you want to stop increasing temperature just shy of a rolling boil just a bit more the a simmer. I have an electric stove that will work for the production. Mason Jars need no cooling as the glass can withstand over 300 degrees. Sound about right?
February 19, 2011 Power1 uote:
Originally Posted by altrez The way I understand magnesium chloride to work with HHO production is its use as a great electrolyte? If you add it in with your ZnO it will melt and allow your crystals to have a very conductive plain to produce electricity and thus make HHO. It should give up to a %50 increase or more output of HHO. We are getting pretty close to making an element that produces HHO in water without any electricity needed. I am trying to find the info but you can also take aluminum and magnesium together and they produce tons of HHO with no added electricity. So for example if you went that route the mist would act as your fuel and the HHO as the catalyst to cause the explosive reaction needed to push a engine.
All very interesting -Altrez
Thanks for sharing powerme.
zinc, magnesium fused with sulfur will produce HHO that way too.
Quote: Originally Posted by altrez I was told that a masson Jar with lid will work up to 130 degrees so that should be fine. I was also told that you want to stop increasing temperature just shy of a rolling boil just a bit more the a simmer. I have an electric stove that will work for the production. Mason Jars need no cooling as the glass can withstand over 300 degrees. Sound about right? mason jar will handle, just cool it down with moist towel to keep pressure low, dont add too much water before you crack your jar, mist with a spray bottle.
Power1 use a thermometer, keep it at 60 deg C February 19, 2011 Roland
Quote: Originally Posted by power1 I was going to save this for later versions but we'll do it now. addition of magnesium chloride amplifies the dielectric constant of the crystals, my best crystals were made of ZnO blend with magnesium chloride extracted from sea water. Sea water contains all elements known to man, even noble elements. It is in Iodide, bromide and
chloride form. It is done with simple acid/base extractions and then partial distillation to recover each element. Superconductivity has other phases too, Josephson tunneling, that is what they call diode tunneling. When sea extracted Mg is added, the HHO production is magnified several folds. 30 grams of zinc oxide, 300ml Ammonium hydroxide, how much Mg chloride? This source has always had good grade chemicals cheep or you may find Mg chloride at a good Reef Aquarium store and get some. Magnesium Supplements for Aquariums - English
Roland Just to clarify, Does the container (envelope) of crystals have to be in the water with the directly next to the foggers? The reason i ask, i'd like to have a very small pump moving the water from the Fogger/ultrasonic reaction chamber, though a fluidized bed containing the crystals then back to the ultrasonic reaction chamber. That water would be recirculating in a closed loop. I think if designed correctly, a fluidized bed could contain the crystals well, and the water would get maximum contacts and dwell time with the crystals.
Altrez Hey guys, I have started the crystal making process. I added a small amount of ZnO to a small amount of ammonia. It turned into a very milky white liquid. I then heated this mixture in a double boiler for 30 minutes at a temp of 60 degrees Celsius while stirring every minute. Once that was done the ZnO quickly separated from the ammonia when I stopped stirring. I just capped it and put it in the deep freezer at 11:50 AM CDT. I will remove it around 3:00 PM CDT and post then. -Altrez
February 19, 2011 Power1 Quote: Originally Posted by altrez
Hey guys, I have started the crystal making process. I added a small amount of ZnO to a small amount of ammonia. It turned into a very milky white liquid. I then heated this mixture in a double boiler for 30 minutes at a temp of 60 degrees Celsius while stirring every minute. Once that was done the ZnO quickly separated from the ammonia when I stopped stirring. I just capped it and put it in the deep freezer at 11:50 AM CDT. I will remove it around 3:00 PM CDT and post then. -Altrez good jon, on Mg, I start with 5%, my magnesium has other impurities from crude distillation, you have to control temperature to only evaporate element at their boiling points. I use 10% but be careful as other violent things can happen when mixing. i'm glad i got this 3g broadband, on the road again.
Power1 Quote: Originally Posted by Cherryman I dit not find Zinc yet, so i have a test running with Copper Sulfate. Alarming: The boss at the local drugstore told me that it would be very hard for me to obtain the stuff, because they have banned or are trying to ban all the selling of raw ground materials to civilians ! (Netherlands) I guess its a EU rule, as we are always theonly EU country to blindly follow those rules without questioning We, the people, are being cut of resources. All in the name of safety and regulation, I call it suppression. If this goes on in 20 years their will be no home, garage or backyard invenntions anymore. Anyway,.. Watching crystals grow leaves time to think that's the POINT that I am trying to make and got banned for. KNOWLEDGE is the key to freedom, TRUE KNOWLEDGE not the FALSE LIES that you guys are too afraid to let go off. The enviroment is abundant in everything, you do not need to buy!!!!!!! I dont have time to explain everything in detail, make your own glassware, make your own chemicals, make transistors, make metals, make plastic. that's CONSCIOUS, your common sense and natural logic.
you need to gain your sensory, to be able to taste and feel your vibration, you do vibrate, you can easily sense what is not good for your body from your reaction, FOOD from the store is BAD!!!!!!! Please, make things, harvest from the sea, make liquid air for all of your chemicals, it is easy!!!! That they never can take away, YOU TAKE AWAY from them. Their power to control you.
Power1 Roland Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 26 Band ? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------You should go back and delete this post, or at least edit it. "ok guys, in case I get banned again, we can continue this project at overunity forum, I have a thread there. " You got band, not your name, we all could figure out it you without you saying it. Someone may complain if they see you where banded and came back. NO PM please. Contain and manipulate other things BUT NEVER your Spirit. I can not control the actions of others, let them be.
February 19, 2011 Power1 Altrez, does not look right, ammonia should be 30% and water 70%, not dilute of household ammonia further, check your label for content % it does not freeze at 0 deg C you need to reflux by boiling it in ts own vapor, crystals is fused with ammonia, can not let vapor evaporate.
Power1 Slovenia, there is no such place for one stop knowledge, perhaps you can start a new site open freely and concile these findings there. start changes with self first, cleanse your body, eat natural food, natural water - i have to travel miles and hike to unpoluted source for water weekly, not easy. start with the Treatsie of Electricity book I posted, there are many online forums for making different things, books etc. the knowledge comes to you naturally, overtime it's a natural sensory. from my sea extract, i found ormus, take it, that helps too, look online. you have to make sacrifices, abolish everything synthetic.
February 19, 2011 Altrez Quote: Originally Posted by power1 Altrez, does not look right, ammonia should be 30% and water 70%, not dilute of household ammonia further, check your label for content % it does not freeze at 0 deg C you need to reflux by boiling it in ts own vapor, crystals is fused with ammonia, can not let vapor evaporate. It is %30 ammonia %70 water I checked it. I have no way to reflux and did not know you had to. I will keep it sealed during the last heat cycle but if I get no yield at all I am afraid this will be the last test for me as I must move on to other projects. Once someone has posted videos and pictures with a step by step instruction then I will try again. I will post the results of this last run. around 6:00 or so. -Altrez
Quote: Originally Posted by altrez It is %30 ammonia %70 water I checked it. I have no way to reflux and did not know you had to. I will keep it sealed during the last heat cycle but if I get no yield at all I am afraid this will be the last test for me as I must move on to other projects. Once someone has posted videos and pictures with a step by step instruction then I will try again. I will post the results of this last run. around 6:00 or so. -Altrez my crystals is identical to powder with naked eye, you need microscope to see them better. it took me many tries, follow your insctinct, do as you wish
Altrez Quote: Originally Posted by power1 Altrez, does not look right, ammonia should be 30% and water 70%, not dilute of household ammonia further, check your label for content % it does not freeze at 0 deg C you need to reflux by boiling it in ts own vapor, crystals is fused with ammonia, can not let vapor evaporate. Can you please post a picture of some crystals you have made so we all can see what does look right? Thanks, -Altrez
Power1 Quote: Originally Posted by altrez My solution turned into liquid again 2 minutes after being out of the freezer. -Altrez excess water, anyone buying ammonia should get industial cleaners from supply warehouse.
Power1 Quote: Originally Posted by altrez Can you please post a picture of some crystals you have made so we all can see what does look right? Thanks, -Altrez in time, you are doing just fine.
Power1 guys, your thoughts can continue into sleep REM where you are still conscious, you can answer a lot of questions there. Tesla was right, ideas just flows to you, there is no Law to manifesting matter, everyone can come up with their own method and still arrive at the same result, that's the natural logic I hope that you will gain.
Power1 Quote: Originally Posted by altrez Can you please post a picture of some crystals you have made so we all can see what does look right? Thanks, -Altrez Be real careful with your work, these vapors are flamable and toxic, not scare but a friendly remind
Altrez Well seems like all I ended up with is ZnO Paste. I tried my best with what I had. looks exactly like it did when I started. Wet ZnO powder. If one of you manage to get this to work please post the
Power1 Quote: Originally Posted by altrez Well seems like all I ended up with is ZnO Paste. I tried my best with what I had. looks exactly like it did when I started. Wet ZnO powder. If one of you manage to get this to work please post the results. -Altrez let sit cold, pour off ammonium and let ZnO dry, then continue with testing, cap your container and duct out hose, H escape fast. good job.
Power1 good work altr you did not need to scoop it out, i use a large buchner funnel filter, you could have just let ZnO settle, pour out ammonium, save it for next batch, and let the ZnO dry in the jar, less mess. you're working with crystals here, nano particles that have their own life, under microscope they stretch as if alive, your manifestation will be projected through your work
Power1 good job guy, we'll get there soon. I'll post an inscrutable soon with pics on my ZnO that I made. anyone having hard time finding zinc, get some Zamak, reduce it to oxide with sodium hydroxide, you will get HHO at the same time, use it to make something, may be refine some silicon from broken glass. at the end, you'll have a paste of 94+ percent Zinc with the rest aluminum and magnesium, this is is for Zamak 3 and 5, other class have about 80% zinc.
February 20, 2011 Power1 Most useful elements have been restricted from the public, Ammonium Sulfur Phosphorus What happens when you fuse those elements with crystals or other conductors?. This will be a Reward for Effort only, no free lunches because you will never see What it is if you dont learn and do it. Show me efforts, I give you help. altrez, your crystals will have effeciency of 1 in a scale of 10, you will achieve 10 if you have the desire to know, good efforts, please lets continue.
February 20, 2011 Power1 Slovenia, I had gone that path looking for answers but all efforts were exhausted with little result. we are no different from other beings, grow a simple plant as your guide. do what has been done unto you to the plant, have another plant nourished with nature, you will see the outcome. many people have tried to come forward with working free energy, all efforts have failed, inventors gets tired of trying and the world continues with business as usual. with your expertise, how can this knowledge be taken away and
forgotten so easily?. what were the name of your forums if you don't mind me asking?.
February 21, 2011 Power1 Quote:
Originally Posted by Cherryman Simple, but safe? 1. Take a glass heatproof liter bottle 2. Fill it until the edge 3. Put a balloon on the opening 4. Heat the bottle somewhere between 38 and 45 degrees celsius 5. Wait until 1/10 of the solution is evaporated 6. Close the ballon, cool it down et, voila ;-) Disclamer: Do not try this at home!
that will work, use free heat of the sun to do work for you. I would then just bubble this gas into common ammonium, what is the gas volume?. how about 2 mason jars using the sun to heat vessel A and collecting by bubbling into vessel B? I would just leave A in the sun and B in the shade or cooled.
February 22, 2011 Power1
You need 30% NH3, the ZnO needs to be dissolved.
February 22, 2011 Power1 Quote:
Originally Posted by RAD-HHO I wish I could help ease your pain, but I am still waiting on my 30% ammonium and havent had time to distil any 3%. I cant speak for anyone else, but I have a full time job working 64 hrs a week to support a family. I wish I had more time to work on these projects. Thanks for your time and patience.
please, do simple solar distillation and conserve labor for monetary slaving. good efforts, thanks for your interest.
February 22, 2011 Power1 Quote:
Originally Posted by QMC I've read the entire thread. If you'd like to point out where I or anyone else asked questions "over and over again" that were already answered, please do so now. If Powerme was anywhere near forthcoming, clear, and good-faith in his communication, and yet he was beset by repetitive questions despite repeatedly answering them satisfactorily, you might have something close to a point. But that's not really what happened, is it? How does your point appear in light of Powerme's recent admission that he purposefully left out information in order to make wouldbe replicators' lives more difficult? If you think Powerme's claims regarding free power generation have been clearly made, I ask you to spell them out for me. How much gasoline is burned? What other sources of power, including batteries and line power, are utilized? And how much energy is drawn from the system? Powerme has made claims about how much water he "burns," which you've repeated, but I'm not interested in this claim. I'm interested in claims regarding net energy gain. No, they have not been spelled out clearly by Powerme. Since you're getting more from Powerme's words than anyone else here, why don't you let me in on the secret?
why don't you gather the materials and we'll conduct a replication.
there is no reason to explain the process as 1- you first need to abolish the false knowledge called Physic. Explain why atomic decay is reversed at molecular level, why do elements become self powered such as singlular crystal at nano scale. 2- by empowering people to exercise their own wisdom and intelligence, they don't have a clue of their abilities and how abundant nature is, all one needs is available freely. I have simplified the process by removing chemicals that have been restricted from public access, therefore encouraging people to take control of their intelligence, by letting them see how nature operates, how certain elements can be fused together to achieve the same properties.
February 22, 2011 Power1 Quote:
Originally Posted by Roland Power1 This is a hurry up and wait kind of scenario for me. I have received my Zinc Oxide and 30% ammonium should be here by Friday. I have a Heat-Stirrer on the way also due Friday. The Foggers due ??? but i will break down and buy one local if i get the crystals ready before they arrive. I have not yet bought any glassware as I'm looking for a good deal and i want to get everything glass at once, i can make do with jars i already have if i have to.
I was just looking at my friends Piezo-Crystal radio today (late 1800 model I think). It needs some repair, but to think they ran without conventional power (batteries...) make you think how technology cycles back around again and again.
Just to let you know many of us are invested in you & your Technology. I for one cant wait to get this tested Now, when you say "you left things out" I hope you you left out improvement-advice and the likes, and not that it wont work as you laid out so far. That is concerning.
thank you for your effort, no rush on the fogger, be patient. you can use simple mason jars, they are heat resistant and cost much less, simple tube with fittings can be used for distillation, be creative, that is the whole purpose of this project. your crystal set makes me wonder too, what is in today's elecronic components? They just use them in discrete.
February 24, 2011 Power1 guys, this is getting very aggressive, I will move our discussions to a regular forum, may be a Chemistry Forum where members have honest open views. I will post a link soon. Thank you all for you're efforts. Great Job. Together, we will make a Change, very soon.
February 28, 2011 Power1 from OverUnit Re: Practical Method for Production of Water Fuel with Piezoelectric « Reply #32 on: Today at 09:44:21 PM »
Quote from: fishman on Today at 06:21:32 PM
Are these dry crystals fragile? The paint like paste does dry sticking to the container. Is there a preferred method to un-stick them? Do we just scarp the dried paste off the sides? does it mater?
You are the creator, what do you think is best?. Good job RAD, now proceed to testing. Do not discard ammonium, save for next batch. Then fuse the same crystals with magnesium to achieve higher permittity. Methods already discussed. For those of you that still do not understand the Power of Natural Intelligence, the whole mainstream knowledge of electricity was observed by Henry Cavendish and later theorized by James Maxwell. Tesla made major improvements. While most of you are fascinated by Ismael's radiant car, You too have the power to achieve the same result if you choose to take control of your own reality. Ismael was self taught, but he seems to have fallen for the same bait of Greed. We are surrounded by energy, I have already discussed practical methods to harvesting energy directly from the environments, this knowledge is not new nor exotic, Photovoltaic effect of Lead Sulfide was first disclosed in 1904, and for the multi-aliases manipulators that don't have a clue of reality, check your facts, there is more properties of Silicon that you can not comprehend with your current state of false mentality. Listen to your own intelligence, I will aid you only when necessary, you are very capable on you're own. For those same party that are trying to takje this project private, It simply will not work, everyone is a Tesla, let's grow your intelligence so that Man will be Free.
There are already Artificial-Intelligence System bots that will penetrate and manipulate these discussions, I suggest that you the People move, propergate and multiply these discussions to mainstream portals such as Facebook, Youtube etc. I will hep you there and so will many other honest decent human beings.
February 28, 2011 Power1
Re: Practical Method for Production of Water Fuel with Piezoelectric « Reply #33 on: February 28, 2011, 11:24:54 PM »
Slovenia, If you sincerely wish to pursue this project, then please utilize your energy and spread this project to other mainstream fields, create new posts in Chemistry, Ceramic, Metallurgy, HHO boards etc, there are many many ways to do this Piezoelectric HHO production, you are only limited by your own imagination. For those from other countries, start your own thread locally, while we are tinkering with 100 years old technology, others countries continue to accelerate far ahead, you can get help everywhere on basic questions that you may encounter. You own intelligence will easily solve your problem, China has more higher education graduates than the whole population of California and the West Coast combined!, and they will eagerly help you if you are sincere, honest and understand that We are all Equal. You are the Teacher, You are the Creator, please take control of your own Reality, many more great things will follow.