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As far as between

June 24th until,

like I to her

said, the 15th, I don't remember or we text. remember. Q Between I can't remember

if I had talked I don't

exactly.

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June 16th and July 15th, were you changes to your baCkyard?

doing any landscaping Anything A

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new that was going on back there? Cindy and I put some concrete pad out between -- we extended

our concrete in porch kitchen.

our lanai or our screeneddoors by our nine-

to our one back sliding-glass

I think it's, like, an eight-by-five, maybe five-foot section

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foot -- nine-feet,

that we did. I think

I think that's when Cindy was on vacation. that's when we did it -Q
A

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And --- right around Okay. in there.

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Q

And what dates was it that Cindy was to?

on vacation? A

What dates are you referring

I think it was the first week of June, or it

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could have been that second week of June that she was off. Like I said, I don't know if she took the week off or just a few days, but I know we did

complete

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it that time. Q before. And that was the period we talked about

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Uh-huh. But that was before Dh-huh. All right. Absolutely. Between June 15th and -- June 16th, 11m June 15th; correct?

Q A

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Q
A Q

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sorry, and July 15th, the 31 days when Casey was who knows where, anything?
A

did you all do any landscaping

changes

or

Not to the backyard. I put some

I remember

we did stuff

in the front yard.

some grass plugs and I remember

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some sod out in the front by our driveway. doing that.
Q

Now But I donlt remember Cindy might doing anything in the or

A backyard. something. Q

have planted

some flowers

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I donrt specifically

remember. that Cindy

Now, we had been given information

was also off for a period basically A
Q

from June 30th to July 4th, the 4th of July?
I

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the time before
I

remember

- - oh ,

remember

that; yeah.

Okay. She had that time off. Okay.
I

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A
Q

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remember

that.

yeah.

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Q
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Was that when you were pouring Maybe that's when it is. it was July.

the new patio? it

I was thinking

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was in June.
Q

Maybe

Okay. Maybe I'm just off a few weeks or -I'm not saying it was. I'm just

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Andl againl

saying A good.
Q

No.

That recollection

to me sounds pretty

Okay. It probably was. that had been planned had -for

A
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Is that a project In other words
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some time? A

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my gosh.

For years Cindy and I talked our little patiol

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about extending something
Q

our little walkway, Right.

like that.

Did you actually or No. I poured

pour a slab or just put in

pavers
A

a slab.

There's

27 bags of

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cement or concrete
Q

back there. slab? It's pretty

I did it all myself.

Four-inch Oh, yeah. That's

A
Q

thick.

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a lot of cement. Yeah. time when you were going

A
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Did it all myself. Again, the precise

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to do that -- let me rephrase
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this. that? In
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Had you prepared

the site before

other words, dug out the grass, that kind of thing?
A

laid out the frame

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Well, because

it was pretty much already all we had were some plants

dug out inside of
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anyhow it.

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We had some, like, lava-rock-type of pulling the plants

stuff

and it

was just a matter that out, putting

out! leveling

a little frame piece up and it didn1t

take any time at all.
Q

Had you and Cindy specifically

discussed to doing

the

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date you would do that, you know, prior was it just sort of: it now?
A

it, or

Okay.

We've got time.

Let's do

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with her just being off, with me being off, to do it. I just wasn't like that. a specific Hey,

we just decided planned

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date or something

We just:

let's get it done, so -Q

Where did you buy the concrete? I think I got some at Lowe's. As a matter of

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A

fact I got all of the bags at· Lowe's, Pershing.
Q

on 436 by

I'm pretty positive. Okay. Because That's the one

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A

they had a good deal on it, so we

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just went and got it.

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Okay.

Any other changes

back in the backyard the I know

during A Cindy

that period No.

from the 16th through around Cayleers

I mean,

house

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-- we had planted around

some -- I think Cindy planted but nothing -out

some flowers

there or something,

of the unusual. Q supposed A

I mean,

it's -- we always

Were any of them projects to be assisting No. her with,

that Casey was as far as you know? us out

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I canlt remember No.

Casey helping

with any of that stuff.
Q

Can you think of any reason to borrow

why Casey would

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have needed

a shovel on the 20 -- 18th? 17th.

MS. DRANE BURDICK: MR. ASHTON:

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17th of -Or 18th.

MS. DRANE BURDICK: BY MR. ASHTON:
Q A

-- or 18th of June from your neighbor? I know Casey had saw us in the past because in our house I mean, bamboo where in our

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we have bamboo backyard.

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And occasionally

the pavers we have the nodes, what they And if yourve ever And

close to our bamboo,

occasionally pop up.

call those, will sometimes stepped

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on a large pinecone, what is.

it hurts your feet. very, very

that's basically pointy and stuff.

And they're

I know we had shown her, if she had

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to break a piece of that off, how to do it. And what would a shovel? You'd have to pull the paver up, whatever it up and you just -- how would that have

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involved
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size paver we had and you just pull pop it. It breaks
Q

You just dig down and just pop it right off. right off. Did you notice any of that having happened

between house?
A

the 16th of June and 15th of July at your

Never Okay.

really noticed

too much of anything. during any of those in the

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Did there appear,

days, to be any unaccounted backyard? A
Q

for disturbances

Not that I can recall.

No. Exhibit

lim going to just show you State's

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10.

I guess there was some issue raised was August 1st.

about whether to

the prior picture be a photograph

Does that appear

of the same gas can we were talking

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about with the duct tape on it, the one you indicated was your gas can but you don't believe
A Q

[handing]

--

Right.

[Examining]

And like I said --

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that you put the tape on it? I'm not the one that would put -- I didn't

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put that on there.

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I understand. As a matter of fact, I'm curious where this

photo was taken. sheriff's house. Q answer there, Well,

Looks

like it was taken at the This is not taken at my

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department;

correct?

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it's apparently

-- I don't know the apparently paper

to that question. so I don't know. Do you recall

There's Okay.

those cans being

taken by the

police
A

and then returned Oh, I remember as a matter

to you and then taken again? them coming and taking them. I was walking I had to out

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Because,

of fact, because

where my shed was at and stuff like that. unlock Q returned the shed for them to remove

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items from there. that they

And then they -- but do you recall the gas cans after August

and then took them

again in December?
A

Uh-huh. Is that a yes? Yes. Okay. Yes. It is. Do you recall when they them in August, when they

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Q

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A
Q returned returned different police?

All right.

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them -- after taking them, do you recall condition

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that they were in any

than when you had given them to the

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Well,

they're

filthy dirty.

They've

got

print dust allover
Q A

them like that. dust? like that.

Fingerprint

They never leave my house Okay. As a matter

Q
A

of fact, when they brought back to me, they

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everything brought Q

-- the stuff they brought

it back in paper bags. Okay. When they took it, is it your

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recollection
A

that it had duct tape over the vent? There was no duct tape on it, on the

No.

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vent.
Q

Okay.

I thought

you had said before

that if

you had used

it to get gas, you would have put duct

tape over the vent and
A Q

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Uh-huh. -- and you did -But then again, from the -- from what I can

A remember, repaired

the last time that I used it until it, I don't think I cut my grass. doing

the time I I just

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don't remember

like I said, I would not have

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put that tape on there. Q Okay. Are you -- okay. I thought you told

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us just a second ago that you were going to cut your grass on 7/24. You couldn't --

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6.

BY MR. ASHTON: Q 6/24. 11m sorry. 6/24, but you couldnlt, so

you did it a couple of days later. A on it -Q A

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I gave you a rough idea.

I canlt be specific

Okay. -- being two days after that. It could have in my

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been a week after that. mouth,
Q

Donlt try to put words

please. I wonlt. between So would it be fair to say that 1st of

sometime

June 24th of 2008 and August

2008 that you cut your lawn? A positive twice, Q A Q Yeah. I probably did. did. 11m probably pretty

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I probably

As far as maybe

once or

I don' t know. All right. I don1t recall. 10, is the gas can to operate

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And this, Statels Exhibit

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you would have used to obtain gas in order your mower;
A

is that not correct? correct. gas,

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Thatls

Q

And if you had used this can to obtain

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you would have put a piece of duct tape over the vent; correct?

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Yeah.

Because

I like that gas can.

It's

sort of part of me.
Q

It's 20 years old. so it doesn't fall

Sure.

And it's metal,

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apart.

All right. But is it -- so it's your testimony now that

when they took it on August duct tape over the vent?
A

1st, that it did not have

Didn't

have any duct tape over the vent.

And

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when it came back to me, or the last time I saw it, now it had duct tape on it. there.
Q

And I did not put that on

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So then explain

to me, if you will, how it's

possible lawnmower

that you used this can to get gas for your sometime between June 24th and August 1st,

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would have put duct tape over the vent utilize

in order to have duct

it in your car, but then it wouldn't 1st. to me, too.

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tape on it on August A
Q

That's

a mystery

Did you take the duct tape, put it on and

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take it off again? A
Q

No, sir.

I did not do that. here today, under oath, that when the 1st, is

But your testimony

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that you have a specific police officers

recollection

took this from your home on August

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2008, that this piece of duct tape was not on this can?

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Uh-huh. Please answer out loud yes or no. It was not on the can. Yes. It was not on

Q A

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that can.
Q

But when you retrieved it -- when they do you recall that

returned it to you, that duct duct tape being on the can?
A

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I donlt remember that. You donlt remember whether it was or not? I donlt remember it. All right. No.

Q
A

Q

Letls move on now to the -- oh,

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yes.

Did you repair the lock on the shed after June

24th of 2008? A Yes. I did. I put a metal, like a bar on it

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and I bolted it on and I put a lock on it with a key. Yes.
Q

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[Pause] Now, was it -- it was locked with a is that correct? I know there

key lock before it was broken intoi A

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I donlt know if I locked it.

was a lock on it. together or not,

Whether or not I had placed it
11m

not really sure because we never

had any problems before.
Q

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And was that a key lock as opposed to a

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combination lock?
A

Uh-huh.

It was a key lock.

Yes.

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3 4 5

When you found the shed broken in the vicinity?

into, was the

lock still somewhere
A

The lock was on the inside of the right door, floor, the fiberglass

down on the floor, on the plastic floor. Q And when you replaced

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7 8

the latch, did you use

the same lock? A Q A Q A Q kept? A toolbox I either is at. kept it inside of my -- up where my I No.
I

got a different

lock.

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And was that also a key lock? Uh-huh. Prior to the break-in, Yes. Prior to the break-in, where was the key where

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I do have a lot of screws and stuff.

either put some keys in there or in my nightstand. Either Q one of those two spots I have one or two keys. And after the break-in, once you repaired the

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latch and put the new lock on, where did you keep the key? A Over where my air-conditioning electrical unit is at I Cindy

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have a separate and I are hiding

box, and that's where

it right now. Now -- anything else about that?

MR. ASHTON:

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MS. DRANE BURDICK:
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He said that's where

they're hiding it right now. MR. ASHTON: You can go ahead and ask a

question if you want. MS. DRANE BURDICK: MR. ASHTON: No. Why don't you? So what's the --

Oh, okay.

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MS. DRANE BURDICK:

Because that's where You asked him where

they're hiding it right now. they kept it afterwards. MR. ASHTON: BY MR. ASHTON:
Q

Oh, good point.

Is that where you started keeping it as soon

as you changed the latch and put the new lock on, or is that where -A

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Uh-huh.

Because I only wanted Cindy and I to

know where that lock was at -- where the key was for the lock.
Q

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Yes. All right. And it's been kept there from the

date you changed it to A
Q

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Until now. Until now. Until today. okay. Yes. Let's now move ahead.

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A
Q

All right.

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July the 15th, when is it that you first heard that sorry. Go back before that. The car. Tell us how you

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learned about the car being towed.
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A house. Sunday.

Cindy and I were working out in front of our I believe it was the 13th of July. It was on a

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I can't remember the exact time, but I

remember I was out front planting grass and sod and Cindy was up doing some weeding right by the front door of our house. And Cindy noticed a yellow, or like an

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off-white or possibly a beige-color notice from the Postal Service. It was addressed to -- I can't remember if it was George and Cindy Anthony or just the Anthonys, and our address. And it said the person who had sent it to When Cindy found it at the

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us or sender was Johnson's. front door, she said: Post Office. Johnson's? And I said: She said:

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Hey, we've got something at the

Do you know anyone by the name of

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I have no idea.

Well, you need to check into this. Need a signature.

It's a registered letter. Okay, fine. it.

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I didn't think any more about

The next day I didn't get a chance to go to the Couple distractions,

post office like I wanted to. something just happened.

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I went, I remember, and paid

a utility bill and just didn't have enough time. Tuesday, the 15th of July, I made it very

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2 3

that I needed

to go and take care of that.

Because

Cindy had asked me and I said I didn't bother So I went on that Tuesday about noontime, and I know

going on Monday. it was probably

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could have been a

little bit after noon. I remember driving itself to the post office, to the attendant and just saying Before giving

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8 9

the sheet or the paper there, or the postal

who was

person,

I was here I signed

to pick this up, something for it, I remember getting

like that. the letter

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12

in front of me,

and the lady said to me, she says: sign this. And I said: signing. You know, when corner was Johnson's been Recovery

Well, you need to

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First I want to know what I'm

I saw at the upper

left-hand

Tow and Recovery,

or it could have

and Tow, Narcoosee

Road, and I'm like,

okay, and it's made out to Cindy and I. As I opened it up right there, I seen that

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21

our car had been towed on the 30th of June. Q used?
A

And by our car, you mean the car that Casey

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Yeah.

The Pontiac

Sunfire

that we had.

And

I was kind of like, okay.

You know, this is two weeks I immediately called

now this car has been towed.

216 Cindy, and I told her, I said:
2
3

Hey, youlll

never guess

where our Sunfire

is at. Maybe I didnrt say, our Sunfire. car is at.

Irm sorry. I said: yourll

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never guess where Caseyrs Jacksonville. No. I said: Road called

She says: And I said: service

Itrs on a towing Johnsonrs.

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10

here on Narcoosee

Thatrs what the slip was about. I canlt remember how -- what Cindy exactly Well, I said, 11m going

said to me, but I just said: to go find out what's

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going on. Towing and I met

I drive down to Johnsonrs the attendant told her what it was going

who was at the front glass area, a lady, I was there for and she told me how much to be to get it out. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. I says:

And I said: Question for you.

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I said:

If you towed it on the we got a notice

30th, why did you wait two weeks before on it? This makes no sense to me.

When werre two you have called me or

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miles away from you, why couldnrt something like that? And she said: do. State requirements

Sir, thatrs not up for us to for towing -- and she went into

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this thing with me. I said: Well, I donlt agree with what youlre

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doing, but how much is it going to cost?
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She told me

500 and some dollars. and some.
Q

I said:

But the letter said 200

Yeah. She says: Well, thatls because that was only

A

for the first three or four days. I was, like: Youlve got to be kidding me.

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I called Cindy, told her what was going on. She says: get the money. And I says: Well, while youlre getting the going to go ahead 1111 go ahead I told her Well George, 1111 have to go and

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money out of our account, I said, 11m
--

we need a title for it.

And I said:

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15

and meet you down at the towing service. where it was at. Both of us

as a matter of fact,

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both of us met at our house. I got some gas in the gas can, as a matter of fact this can of ours, or one of -- some other can that we have, put some gas in it and Cindy and I went down to Johnsonls Towing and tried to discuss the fee, why it took them so long to contact us -Q

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Let me stop you for one second and ask, Did you try to call Casey after

before we get to that:

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learning that the car she uses has been towed? A I didnlt talk to Casey about that. I donlt

218 know if Cindy did that specific
2

day or that night.

I

don't really know. Q All right.

I really don't know. So you're at the tow yard to talk

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4

to them about
A

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At the tow yard, contact

about the bill, why they at least he went by

couldn't

us, why couldn't

our house and said: vehicle

Hey, our car is down in your County to I

[sic] i why they didn't get Orange

contact me. asked. sudden, Q A

You know, there were so many questions

You know, why just tow something after two-plus Right. -- you know, our car has been 500 and some dollars? weeks,

and all of a

we find out --

towed and now That makes no

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we owe you guys sense to me. cutting

You know, why not a little bit of -a little bit of a break. there for probably and got negotiated, at least a good and Cindy finally

somebody We were

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part of an hour,

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got the price down a little bit, but it just didn't come down enough Q vehicle A Okay. as far as I was concerned, but

So at some point do you go out to the that works there? his

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with one of the people Right.

The gentleman,

I can't remember

name or anything probably

like that, was _- I know he was probably about my age. And he

a gentleman

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just says: 2 3
4

Oh, thatls your car over there.

Thatts the

white Pontiac Sunfire.

Itts parked in our -- I forget It wasnlt in

what he considered the lot out front.

behind the solid partition, but it was in a fenced-in area. I don't know if he called it the public area or I forget exactly what he told me.

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something.

As he walked over to the car, I remember we were just conversing. And I said -- I talked to him

9
10

again about why he waited two weeks, so on and so forth. And he said that wasn't his decision. That's

11 12

just the way they do business in the State of Florida. And I just -- I don't know if I said something to him about that. And I walked around and just prior to me getting to the car, I see therels no damage on the car, which I was thankful for. The guy asked me if I had I said, yes.
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any additional keys for it.

And I said:

I also bought some gas, I said gas in the car.
Q

just in case there's no

And--

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Now, as you approach the car, youlve talked a

number of occasions about the odor? A the car. Yeah. There was a strong odor coming from lIm not going to deny it. I

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There was.

can't deny it because
Q

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And you formed an opinion about the nature of

220 that odor as you approached;
2 3 4 5 6

is that correct? odor. It was

A something

Well, it was an overpowering that anyone within something.

a few feet of this vehicle And the smell -- did you

could have smelled Q recognize

And did you believe

the smell as being a smell of human

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8
9
10

decomposition? A Not human decomposition. there. I knew it was that to the

decomposition just didn't driver's my breath

I knew there was something As I went around

smell right to me.

11

side, opened

up the driver's

door and it took did. I mean,

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away for a second. outside.

It really

it's 90 some degrees

The car had been sitting

there for over two weeks. I remember trying opening the driver's window, I

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to vent the car a little bit.

And I remember

stuck the key in the ignition
--

and as I did, I knew the

the car wouldntt it's probably

start.

And I told the guy, I said:

Well,

out of gas. that was there, he's the this really stinks.

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And the attendant one that says: Oh, my gosh,

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And I said: Q

Yeah-you go on

Let me stop you for a second before As you approached

to thati okay?

the car, did it come

25

into your mind that the odor might be from the

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decomposition of either your daughter or your
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granddaughter? A
Q
A

Not at that point.

No, sir.

It never crossed your mind? Not at that initial point. Okay. Go ahead. No. It did not.

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Q A

After I tried to start the car and I remember

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the attendant saying how strong it was, and I said: Yeah. And I said: It's a little bit tough. I

I looked around the inside of the car.

couldn't see anything except my granddaughter's car seat and some shoes and some other stuff. you know, messy inside. And I remember getting out of the driver's seat and walking towards the back of the car. didn't say it directly to this gentleman. to my -- underneath my breath. I said: And I The car was,

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I did say it Please don't

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let this be my daughter or granddaughter. And as I opened up the trunk, the only thing that was there was a bag full of garbage, a white bag with the tie on it, twist tie. Hammer liquid detergent. There was an Arm &

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I don't remember what size. There was a

23

I guess about that size [indicating).

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pizza box and there was maggots inside of that box -- I mean, in that bag. I remember that specifically

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because they were making a cracking sound, like
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hamburger on a skillet.

I remember that specifically. The attendant reached

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4

I did not touch it. inside and he says:

This is your smell.

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He grabbed it, the trunk got shut and he walked over and disposed of it inside the -Q

Now --- a trash receptacle under the trash thing

A

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that was right there.
Q -- the bag was in the car.

Could you look in

was the bag tied up at the end? A Oh, the bag was tied up as much as --

probably open maybe not even about the size of a quarter.
Q A

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And And it was on the left-hand side by the It was right there on the left-hand I know that for a fact.

taillight area. side.
Q

lim specific with that.

Did you -- did you ever open it or did he

open it?
A

Never touched it.

I never touched the bag. Hels the

The gentleman is the one that reached inside. one that said: This is your smell.

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And he pulled the bag out and he walked right over to the trash bin and dropped it inside.

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You said something about a pizza box? There was a pizza box inside. In the bag? Uh-huh. How do you know that? Because I could see it. It had -- it said

Q A Q
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pizza on it. pizza thing.

There was a -- like a little chef-type I mean, it didn't have any specific pizza

name on it, but there was a pizza box in there and a white -- I mean, not a white, but an Arm & Hammer liquid container, stuff like we would use at our house.
Q

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Was the pizza box inside the garbage bag? Uh-huh. It certainly was.

A
Q

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And still was this a transparent garbage bag?

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How were you able to see? A Oh, it was very easy. It was a white, almost

a transparent bag.

It was a white bag, something like

this right here, something like this color [indicating].
Q

Okay.

Now, right behind you there's a Was that --

completely transparent garbage bag. A Yeah.

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Something similar to that, but it had

sort of like a white cast to it.
Q
A

Okay. And it had a tie on it.

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Q
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And you also said you remembered within the bag that you concluded

hearing to be

movement maggots? A

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Oh, I could see.

I could see maggots see that.

and Oh,

stuff like that. absolutely. Q

I could definitely

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All right.

At some point up to this point the smell as something

in

time, did you recognize smelled A smelled before? It reminded probably

you had

me of something

that I had

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years ago when I was in law It did.

enforcement. Q

Yeah.

What was that? A -- could be some decomposition remains, a possibility. that -- with the statement human decomposition, you never of possibly

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A
human Q

Would you agree smelled

that once you've forget A it? Yeah.

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There's

some certain

things

in life

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you just don't forget. what

But then again,

that is not -- I

I found in the back of my granddaughter's car. I didn't.

mean, my daughter'S Q

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Is it your testimony

here today that at that in your opinion, was

time, the odor that you smelled, definitely human decomposition

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or could have been from

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A

To be honest,

I think it could have been just

from the trash,

since it was back there for 14 or 15 locked up with

days, or how many days that car had been 90-degree weather.

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Could that also smell like the you're talking That's about? Yeah. It's

other decomposition possible.

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I don't know. And then again,

a tough one. smell

the human mind or human

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plays

tricks on us from time to time. about it being.

But it wasn't

what I was worried Q A way. there, Q specific

It wasnlt.

It wasnlt? It wasnlt what I was -- letls put it this Neither my daughter or my granddaughter were back

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so 11m thankful

for that. -- and I'm looking for a this

Have you in the past reference,

but 1111 just ask it generally where you have indicated

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way -- made enforcement garbage,

statements

to law

or other individuals

that -- that it wasnlt and human you could tell the

that the smell of garbage are very different,

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decomposition difference, A

and this was not from garbage? I possibly could have. I don't remember.

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It's possible. Q anything Do you recall telling your wife that -like something

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to the extent that it smelled

226 died in here?
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A

I think not only did I make

the reference,

but also she did, too. Q
A

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She did, too.

And when did that happen? after we got the car the

I think specifically

home, or she could smell it when we were leaving towing Q A service. What did she say about that? I don't remember exactly

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what she said at the like hell. I mean, I

towing yard except remember driving

the car stinks

it home,

it was starting and

to rain, and

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after we got it inside our garage Q Did you also notice

a stain in the back,

in

the trunk of the car? A above, Yeah. There is a -- there is a stain right It was

like, where

the spare tire is at.

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probably

about the size of this right here It wasn't circular. circler It was sort of -something like

[indicating].

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just out of being a complete that. Q meaning A About

And you said about the size of this here,

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the size of this.

Probably

eight-andaround like

a-half-by-eleven.

If you were to draw probably

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a circle of this right herer probably

right around

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that.
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[Indicating] But the -- the stain was not completely

Q

circular or completely square? A Q
A

No.

It was not.

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It was irregular. Yeah. It was irregular. It was -- didn't

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have no particular -- like a perfect circle, was nothing like that. something. It could have been sort of off or It wasn't really specific.

I don't know.

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But it wasn't too much larger than this right here, I know that [indicating].
Q

The Arm & Hammer detergent that you saw in

the car, was that a type used in your house?
A Q A Q

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It's something we used to use. Okay.

Yes. Is it a -Yes.

Is it a laundry detergent?

It's a liquid laundry detergent. Laundry detergent. Okay.

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And do you keep

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paper towels in your garage? A Yeah. There's some paper towels we keep on

our one shelf above where our trash recyclables and -I mean, our recyclable bins and stuff are at.
--

There's

I think it's a couple shelves up from that.
Q

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Is there -- are they on a dispenser or just

sort of
A

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No.

They're loose.

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2 A

-- unopened

paper

towels? Yeah. Just pull

You just pull them out.

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them out and use them. Q paper A Okay. towels? Are they sort of the standard Do they have a pattern on them? welve ever had white

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The only ones I can remember

have just been white ones. Q All right. So you drive the car home. driving because Do

you have any difficulty A

of the smell?

Not so -- well, a little bit of the smell, like we just had You could barely

but also it was -- it was a downpour outside see. Q A garage. Q Approximately back home? here just a little bit ago.

It was a little bit tough to see out. Okay. I drove So where did you go? it directly home, put it in our

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what time was it that you would

have arrived A
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going to say 2:30, maybe

three o1clock Probably about

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that day, give or take a few minutes. that time. Q Did you, yourself, remove

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anything

from the

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car when you got home? A Did not. Just left the windows up the trunk, down, opened

up the sunroof,

opened

opened up the hood

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That's

it.

Q
A

Did the car need gas? Yeah. Okay. It was completely empty.

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Q or
A

And did you use the round gas can

I don't remember one I had. When you I don't

if I used that one or -- that, I don't remember.

another Q

after you put the gas in the car, or did you put

did you put the gas can in the Sunfire it in your wife's A remember. Q car? I can't remember.

Honestly,

I don't

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I just don't remember. So you -- you drove home, got there. remove anything Did

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your wife in your presence car?
A

from the

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Not that I can remember.

Because

as a matter

of facti I had to go to work that day. Q How long were you home before you left to go

to work that afternoon?
A

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Probably

a half hour to an hour.

I know I sweaty around I

got cleaned up a little bit because and -- and 1'm trying four o'clock to think.

I was very

It was probably

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I left that day, something

like that.

know I was about an hour late for work. Q Now, so you went to work.

I know that.

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When you got home

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with the car, did you talk to your wife about what to
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do next? A said: Cindy just said she would handle it and I Okay. She didnlt want me to be late for work because I just had -- just had started my new Job. Just had started my new job. She was worried about me

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being late and losing my job because I was late, so
Q

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Your granddaughter has been unaccounted for

well, you had not had contact with your granddaughter for 31 days. You find your daughter's

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car towed with a smell at least consistent with human decomposition, in your mind; correct? A
Q

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Is it possible? Possible.

Yes. When you got home, did

All right.

you discuss with Cindy calling the police? A Q
A

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No.

Not at that point, no.

Did you, yourself -Did not. -- put those facts together and generate a

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Q

concern about the safety of your granddaughter? A No. Because Cindy said she was going to I said: I want to

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handle it.

I was upset with Casey.

know where she is. She says: George, 1111 handle it.

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When

is the next

-- so you went to work at

that point? A
Q

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Yes.

I did. from any of

When is the next time you heard

your family members? A Working that day, on July 15th, the company International, I

was working location
--

for, Andrews

I was sent to a I was doing a come out, they And I was

at the Fashion

Square Mall where new movies a showing.

what they call

-- whenever

have what they call a premier, there for that. particular My employer

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had sent me there for that

showing

we were at. getting a call from Cindy just It could have been a

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And I remember about eight o'clock couple minutes
Q A

that night.

after.

Uh-huh. I couldn't you're answer my phone right away because you have to like that

whenever

working

these premiers! and things

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have your cellphone because
Q

silenced

you're

inside the theater

itself.

Right. I remember stepping out after I had seen that All I got Hey,

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A

she called me.

I tried calling

her back. for her:

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was her voicemail.

Left a message

232 Sweetie, what's going on?
2

Idle little chitchat. I didn't hear from her. land line at the time.

15, 20 minutes go by.

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I call our home phone, our The same thing. All I got was,

you know, this-is-the-Anthony-residence type deal. Q A Okay. I got to be a little bit concerned because

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it's really weird for me not to get a hold of Cindy through one of two ways, either through her cellphone or our home phone. I ended up calling my son, and I said: Lee, I'm really concerned. mom? Lee was living at another location. said: Hey, I said, it's been a bad day. We got the car. I'll go down and check on mom. And I Hey,

Can you go down and see

Casey is sort

of in trouble.

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Okay, dad.

At about, I don't know, probably just before nine o'clock, 8:45, something like that, I finally got a hold of my son again. Yeah, dad. I'm home. Mom is okay. Whenever

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you can make it home, you know, we need to talk. I said: Okay, fine. She said:

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Finally talked to Cindy again. How soon are you going to come home?

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don't know if she called

me or I called

her. And I said: come home now, I will. She says: it. And I told her, I said: It will probably be Well, just whenever you can make Well,
I

said,

if you need me to

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about 10:00, 10:30 that night; by the time I got home. Q Did she tell you at that point whether she

was with Casey? A point. Q A Q A came home. vehicle Didn't Didnft Okay. I know just before Cindy's vehicle ten o'clock is outside. that night I Caseyfs say. say anything about it at all. She didn't say anything about Casey at that

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is still inside.
I

My son's car is in the behind Cindy1s car and I see

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driveway.

pull directly

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Cindy out outside

of our garage pacing Hey, what1s

back and forth.

Step out of my car:

going on?

And that's when she told me that Caylee was missing; Caylee had been taken. And she said someone

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by the name of Zanny had her and Casey was inside with Lee.

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Q
2 3

Did at that moment,

did the smell of the car

come into your thought A No.

process? It didn't. All I wanted She's to

It didn't.

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do is hold onto Cindy. falling apart

11m holding

onto her.

in my arms.

And I wanted

to go in and I don't people

see Casey.

It wasnlt probably

five minutes,

know how many Orange
--

County Sheriffls

Department

11m

getting

ahead of myself

for a second. I asked Cindy a

Before if she called report. different Department,

me going into the house, department,

the sheriff's

if she made

And that's when she told me she had made reports, one to the Orlando Police

three

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I think two to Orange any time.

County,

and -- and

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they should be arriving That's not good enough.

And I told her: them again. something

Welre calling

And it wasnlt maybe

five minutes,

like that, next thing I know is I think we had maybe three, four, maybe five sheriff's deputy cars out in

front of our house. Q A happened there. Did you go in and try to talk to Casey? I tried to. so quickly. I maybe But like I said, everything The sheriffls department is

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had maybe

ten minutes

with my daughter,

if that, that night.
Q

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What did she say?

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A
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That Zanny had taken her.

She dropped her And I wanted

off at Zanny's house and Zanny had her.

to know where Zanny lived.· I donlt know how many questions I asked. separated. And then I remember we all got

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My son is one room, Cindy and I are in it just -- it just was a

something else and madhouse.

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It was -- not a madhouse, but it was just so

uncontrolled. There were so many people inside my house, so many people asking so many questions, so many things going in different directions. It was hard really to

pinpoint what everybody actually was doing at that point.
Q

It was really hard. When Cindy comes out and first tells you in

the garage that Caylee is missing, did she mention the Zanny-has-her-A
Q

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I don't remember -- aspect of the story? I don't remember Cindy saying that exactly to

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A me.

She probably could have.
Q
A

Was there any discussion about calling Zanny? I don't remember. Do you remember -remember at that point. All I remember is I don't --

Q A

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something I asked for Casey, that either take me to her

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she's at, we'll get her; we can do

whatever

we've got to do to bring her back home. And what did Casey say? I don't remember. Okay.
I

Q
A

I don't remember.

Q
A

don't remember. [Crying]

That point

it -- I don't

remember. Q

That's

okay.

Again,

any time you need to

take a break,

let's just take a moment. Actually, Yeah. can we take one? Sure.

MR. BAEZ: MR. ASHTON: MR. BAEZ: MR. ASHTON: [Whereupon, the following BY MR. ASHTON:
Q

I need a little break. Okay. a recess was taken, after which

transpired:]

All right. 15th.

I think when we broke we were at I believe you said you had about and she told you

the house July ten minutes

to talk to your daughter,

a bit of the Zanny story. A actually

Is that where we were?

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She told me a lady by the name of Zanny, or her name was Zenaida Gonzalez, who drove a

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silver Ford Focus, had Caylee. Q And what was your initial reaction to her

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saying that to you?

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A
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I wanted to go there right now.

I wanted to

get my granddaughter.

I wanted to do everything I

could to bring her back home.
Q

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And what did Casey say when you said that? I remember at that specific time I think we Like

A

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got interrupted by one of the sheriff's deputies. I said, it was -- it was very at my house.

it was very chaotic

There was just five or six officers in my

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13

house, besides my son, my wife, my daughter and I, and we were all going in different directions. were all just placed. I mean, we You

You stay in the kitchen. You go in this area.

stay in the living room.

And it -- to say everything that happened in all that time, I can't remember specifically everything. She
Q A

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I know Casey was crying.

She was upset.

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Do you recall Cindy trying to call Zanny? I don't -- I don't know if Cindy did. I don't know. I have

no idea if she had a number. I don't remember.
Q

I don't.

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So you don't have any idea -- you don't have

any knowledge of Cindy having Zannyrs phone number? A Not a specific Zanny's number, no. I don't know. I -- I

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don't -- I don't remember.
Q

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All right.

So when is the next time that you

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have an opportunity to talk to Casey? 2 3
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A morning.
Q

Probably not until about 7:30 that next

Now, I understand that she left with the

police for a period of time and then was brought back? A She left with Detective Melich.
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I

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7

11m not sure

if that was, like, two, three

clock in.the morning.

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She didn't come back, you know, for quite a few hours after that, so -Q

And when she arrived back, did you have a

conversation with her? A A little bitt trying to get a little bit more And

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information about Zanny, what could have happened. I knew Casey was exhausted. spent. She was just totally

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I mean, I could just tell.

And I figured the

best thing to do was just to give her just a few minutes or maybe an hour or something just to get some rest.
Q

Okay. Right.

Is that what she did? As a matter of factt I remember

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A

myself even trying to lie down for a little bit because I had been up since, like, 6:00 or 6:30 that following morning. I was -- I was exhausted, too. I meant not

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only physically, but mentally just -- I knew I had to regroup a little bit to get some sense and sensibility

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2

I know that.

Q

So after that brief -- now, did she give you

3
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any information during that brief conversation? A Just talked about the lady's name was Zenaida

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Gonzalez, basically how tall she was, how -- what her age was. She was supposed to have been a very

attractive lady.
Q

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Uh-huh.
I can't specifically remember where she said

A

she was in Orlando.

I can't remember that.

But I do

remember she told me about -- being this car guy that I am, she told me about she drove a silver Ford Focus. remember that specifically. that.
I

I

remember she told me

She said it was a newer-type car, like, And I remember that specifically she told Okay. But I just need to know more.

2007/2008. me. And
Q

And I said:

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I need to know more. Did she -- was she able to give you any more

information? A exhausted.
Q
A

Not really.

I said -- she was just

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I mean, she had just been -Did you --- asked so many questions. She had just

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been
Q

she was tired. Did you ask her about what she had been doing

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for the prior
2 3

31 days? I didn't. I didn't even think on

A

Truthfully,

about asking Caylee,

about that.

I was more

concentrating

4

just finding

out where she was at and wanting

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to bring her home. Q A Did you both get some sleep at that point? I think Casey maybe got a couple hours. fell asleep I

don't know if I actually if that.

for maybe an hour, a little like,

It -- just trying just to decompress to get your thoughts together,

bit, just trying what can we dOi

what can we try to accomplish

to try to

get Caylee back home. Q morning A Did you have another to talk to Casey? I talked to Casey, I don't know if it was I had to go back to after waking up, occasion later that

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about 11:30 or noon that day. work. As a matter

of fact, I remember because

I went back in to my employer the information

I had to drop off of this event

from the night before

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that I had worked. Q
A

Uh-huh. I knew that I had to do that. And getting

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away from the house, focused on what home.

it got me a little bit more to do to bring Caylee back on the

I needed

And I remember

coming back

from driving

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2
3

International

where

I was working

at.

I canlt remember called me.

if it was John Allen

or Yuri Melich

I think it was Yuri.

And he just says that

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there was a couple guys coming

to my house to take

Casey in for some more questioning. And I remember says: George, she might he was very specific and he

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not be coming back home. about? canlt

And I said:

What are you talking I really

And he says -- he said: discuss it with you. And I lost communication

with him.

I donlt

know if it,was about noon or 12: 30, the two men had came to my house at the time. as being John Allen and I
Q

One did show me his I.D.

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16

Let me stop you for a second.

This

conversation communicate A And

you say you had with Yuri, did you that to anyone else? I had gotten home.

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19

Yeah.

I told Cindy after

and she was about as shocked

as I was to hear

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that, you know, Casey might not be coming home.
Q

And did you -- was Casey there when you that to Cindy? I told Cindy separately. I believe. I told her

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communicated A No.

that inside of our bedroom, Q

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So Casey did not know about that?

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A

No.

I remember

going into Casey1s

room and

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11

waking you're

Casey up.

And I said:

Hey, I said, I know

tired and stuff,

I says, but the sheriff's They need got to get

department

is on their way to talk to you. and you've

to ask you some more questions, up.
Q

Okay. I remember she got up and probably And within ten

A minutes
Q A

the knock at the door. Okay. -- she cooperated

with them.

They told her

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that she needed them and
Q

to go in to talk a little bit more with

Did you have any conversations that -- other than waking

with Casey her

during they're

her up, telling to do with

coming,

about anything

having

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Caylee's A

disappearance? Just told her, I says: tell them. Anything you can tell we

them, you'd better

You know, anything

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can do to get Caylee

back home, that's what our focus what. And--

has got to be, no matter
Q
A Q

And she then -- then just holding onto her and just

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And she then left with the officers? Yes.

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A

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Q
2 3

And have you -- did you have any other

conversations with her before she was arrested? A No. As a matter of factr we never talked to

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her at all until I think it was later that evening -Q
A

And-when we had gotten a phone call from Casey And she called and she called

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she had been arrested. our house.
Q

Is this the call where she wanted Tony's

phone number? A
Q A

Yeah.

That was --

That's that call? -- the particular one. Right.

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15

Q

Did you participate in that -- were you on

the phone with her at all? A
Q
A

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I did not talk to my daughter at all. Okay. So other people were talking to her?

It was Cindy and I believe Lee did and

another friend of Casey's that was at our house.
Q

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All right.

Between -- I know the first time

you saw her in jail was the 25th; is that correctr of July? A
Q

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It possibly could have been. It was more than a week after the arrest, was

it not?

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A
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As a matter

of fact.

Because

we were

-- we

were under the assumption

or we were told that we had

to wait for seven days before we could see our daughter because of processing and so many other things. But I

4
5

come to find out, after she had already been incarcerated, Q we could have seen her that next day. -- based on that mistaken

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But you didn't you didn't

impression, A remember

see her until the 25th; correct? -- probably it. I don't
I

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That's probably

seeing her any time before
I

that.

know it

was quite some time before to Q
A

actually

got a chance

Have you -see her. reviewed those conversations, to them or watched the ones in the DVDs? No.
I

Q jail? A can't Q
A

Have you listened
I

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don't really watch that much TV.

-- I can't No. I about the ones that have been TV. I mean have and --

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You talking

Q

I don't mean on broadcast

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you obtained watched
A

a copy of the DVD of the jail visits

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them at all? I have not. Okay. Do you recall at the beginning of the

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245 visit when you and Cindy were together?
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It starts

off

with a discussion Do you remember
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about a picture

with a drum in it.

that exchange? the picture very well. I don't

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I remember

remember

the exact conversation

that we had on that apartment.

day, but we were told that that was Zanny's Q A Q A Who told you that? Casey did. Okay.

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Or she -- Casey might have told Cindy. specifically. But--

I

canlt remember Q
A

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Yeah. -- that's what we were led to believe, apartment. the reason I asked the question, is that

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that was Zanny's Q That's

I'm trying to -- you both seemed to come into the conversation that picture believing that Casey was claiming apartment, that

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was from Zanny's

and I'm trying

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to figure out where that information from.
A

would have come

I don't know if she told Cindy directly

or if

it was she told me directly. Q arrest

That, I can't remember. the day of her

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Well, did you -- between

and the jail visit on the 25th of July, did you conversations with Casey?

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have any telephone

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No. None?
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Not that I can -- no.

haven't

-- I have talked

-- I didn't

talk

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to her.
Q

So there's

no way she could have told you

about-A

No. -- a picture? Right. Are you aware of whether communication with Cindy? she did. one of you had any any she had any

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Q
A Q

telephone
A
Q

I don't believe Okay.

So if neither

telephone letters A through Q

communication

with her, did you receive

from her? No. I can't remember No. So 11m trying to figure out who would any letters coming

from her. Okay.

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have led you to believe from Zarmy 's apartment. A

that the photo with the drum is

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I don't know if it's something day.

we got later I donlt --

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on from her or it was that specific
Q A Q

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Well, you -I don't -- I don't remember. with that -- it

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You all came to the meeting

247 was one of the first questions
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that was asked, was So, you know,

about the picture obviously A
Q

of the drum.

I might -- you knew it before then. -something that Cindy 11m not 11m trying to

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figure out why that particular A had talked
--

I don't know if that's

to Casey about when I wasnlt I really don't

there.

I don't know. Q Well,

-- don't know. established to Casey. You

I think welve already

there's

no way Cindy could have talked talk to her, so --

just said she didn't A talked when
I

As far as on the telephone. that morning before

Maybe

they

Casey went in or something, I don't know. I really

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she was incarcerated.

don t know.
Q

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Did you or Cindy have communications

with or

anyone anyone jail?
A

else, Mr. Baez, or any of his assistants, like that, prior to your 7/25 meeting

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at the

I know we had talked

-- the first time I had I

met Mr. Baez was right after Casey was incarcerated. donlt know if it was the next day or the day after that. 11m not sure. within a couple days.

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But it was

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very brief at our house.

It was very, very cordial,

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just that he was representing my daughter.
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That was --

offhand I canrt remember anything about friends.
Q

Yeah. Again, werre talking about so much going on

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A

in such a short period of time.
Q

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So I'm still trying to figure out who If

suggested that that picture was Zanny's apartment. it wasn't Casey, any idea who it might have been? A

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We had a lot of different friends over to our

house, Casey's friendsr people that have -- I looked at different photos and stuff like that.
--

I'm not really

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I can't remember exactly when.
Q

It appeared that going into this Cindy already knew that the picture of

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conversationr

Casey with the drum in the background was from Ricardo Moralesl apartment, not Zanny's. Do you recall

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discussing that with her? A I donlt remember discussing that exactly with

Cindy at all, but I do know we had a lot of different friends over when this initially happened, and we were just trying to pinpoint certain things about certain times and stuff like that where Casey might have been or where Caylee might have been. And that was

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something -- that was a photo that we never -- we didn't recognize. We didn1t know who that -- where

249 that was at.
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Q

Well,

it appears

from the context

of the the drum as

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conversation picture

that Cindy is asking though,

Casey where

was taken,

she already

knew, almost

if she's trying about it. about that?
A

to see if Casey is going to lie to her any discussion with Cindy

Do you remember

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No.

I

don't.

Honestly,

I

don't.

That's--

Q A

All right. That's -- like I said, it's been so much in a short period of time. We were

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stuff happening going through Q

-- going on no sleep for weeks upon end. some discussion in your communication

There's

with Casey at this meeting communicate Baez.
A

about finding a way to
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with her in writing

perhaps

through

Mr.

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There was never anything the sheriff's

through

Mr. Baez.

It was through Q A command Okay.

department.

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I told her she was in command. of the situation.

She was in

She could reach out to

Sheriff Beary at that time, write him a letter and tell him that she wanted Q to see me. conversations about whether to you

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Do you recall

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or Cindy had given

letters

to Mr. Baez to deliver

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Casey had received

them or not? No.

I have no knowledge

of that stuff.

Have you ever been shown any type of written whether you were allowed from Caylee to keep it or not, [sic] while she's

document,

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that is a communication been in jail? A
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No.

Not that I

--

Casey. Nothing Casey.

I'm sorry. that Casey has ever - -

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--

given to someone

that I know of or

like that. so --

I don't know of any

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correspondence,
Q

So you've

never read a letter written

to you

or your wife that was shown to you by someone you weren't allowed
A

else that

allowed

to keep but you might have been

to read? The only time I've ever corresponded I've sent it directly Okay. And, as a matter So --October of fact, I think that's well 12, 2009 with my

daughter,
Q A

to the jail myself.

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documented. Q
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Okay. I think they've made copies of those. I've

sent stuff to my daughter.

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