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Arming the enemy? Fact and fiction in the liquid bomb plot
Nafen Ahnted In the long awaited verdict of the liquid bomb plot trial, three men, Abdullah Ahmed Ali, Assad Sarwar and Tanvir Hussain, were convicted on September 8 of conspiring to commit mass murder. Yet after a £10 million investigation and a trial lasting more than two years, the jury could not agree on the Crown's main allegation - that the eight Britons on trial had planned to blow up at least seven airliners across the Atlantic in 2006, using chemical explosives concealed in drink bottles, to be smuggled on board from Heathrow airport. The jury also failed to reach a verdict on four other defendants, who had earlier admitted conspiracy to cause a public nuisance by making al-Qaida style suicide videos. Another defendant, Mohammed Gulzar, alleged by the Crown to have flown into Britain from Pakistan to oversee the plot, was acquitted of all charges. While ample evidence of the criminal intent of the convicted plotters seems to have emerged in the trial, less certain was their technical ability to actually carry out the grandiose scheme. In the original story put out by security officials, liquid explosives - TATP (Triacetone Triperoxide) - were to be made on board the planes by mixing sports drinks with a peroxide-based household gel and then detonated using an MP3 player or mobile phone. Former British Army explosives expert Lt Col. Nigel Wylde dismissed that story as an impossible "fiction" that would take up to 36 hours to complete, emitting noxious fumes in the onboard lavatory that would trigger alarms in the aircraft air change system, and cause the plot to be quickly neutralised. Given the absurdity of this scheme, the Crown later changed tact, opting for an alternative scenario: The alleged plotters planned to bring on board drink bottles containing a pre-prepared explosive - hydrogen peroxide mixed with liquid oxygen or as part of the explosive itself. Neither was feasible on board a plane. Hence, a large explosion would be impossible unless conducted as a highly long before the trial, British security officials were already complaining that an associated team of suspected terrorists "escaped capture because of interference by the United States." This second group, they told the Independent (November 25,2006), is "still at large." Questions arose when it emerged that Rauf, the alleged al-Qa'ida go-between for the ·group, had been tortured in the custody of Pakistan Inter Services Intel" ligence (ISI), which described him as the main planner of the attacks. Pakistani intelligence sources had reportedly penetrated the liquid bomb plot cell since late 2005, on behalf of MI6 and the CIA. According to Syed Saleem Shahzad, Pakistan bureau chief of Asia Times (August 15, 2006), Pakistani intelligence and 'jihadist' sources told him that the men "were exploited by agents provocateurs" in the lSI who wanted to '.'guide them to carry out any attack on US interests." The pre-emptive arrest ofRauf, however, prevented British investigators from uncovering the role of the Pakistani lSI and the wider network under its tutelage. US interference may have been designed to protect ongoing illegal relationships with intelligence assets of dubious moral stature. Intelligence sources say that at least four of the alleged liquid bomb plotters had gone to Pakistan after the earthquake in October 2005 under the cover of humanitarian relief work. The men were reportedly then taken to camps run by Jundullah (Army of Allah), a terrorist organisation. loosely linked to al-Qa'ida in the Waziristan area along the Pakistan-Afghanistan border, where they were trained in the fabrication and use of explosives. Yet, according to ABC News (April 3, 2007), citing US and Pakistani intelligence sources, Jundullah "has been secretly encouraged and advised by American officials since 2005," to stage terrorist attacks inside Iran. To avoid Congressional oversight, the Pentagon has funnelled assistance to Jundullah through Afghan military and Pakistani intelligence services. The dual US-lSI sponsorship ofJundullah was, say Pakistani sources, agreed between Vice-President Dick 'Cheney and former President Pervez Musharraf. As of February 2008, American national security journalist Andrew Cockburn reported that an official Presidential Finding authorized a further $300 million to finance covert operations against Iran from Lebanon to Afghanistan among the beneficiaries is Jundullah. Across the Middle East, to counter regional Iranian influence the Bush administration has covertly sponsored al-Qa'ida affiliated terrorist networks since at least 2005, largely through Saudi Arabia and the Gulf states, according to Pulitzer Prize-wirming investigative reporter Seymour Hersh. Covert US sponsorship of terrorist groups linked to the liquid bomb plot, as well as other terror plots including 9/11, has no doubt undermined national security. The dubious role of American and Pakistani intelligence in sponsoring the ·saine extremist groups we are supposed to be fighting, although ignored in the trial, raises awkward geopolitical questions about Western security and foreign policy in the "War on Terror." Nafeez Mosaddeq Ahmed is the Executive Director of the Institute for Policy Research & Development (www.globalcrisis.org.uk). His books include The London Bombings (2006) and The War on Truth (2005).

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controlled experiment. Government scientists attempting to demonstrate the viability of the plot undertook 30 attempts in stringent laboratory conditions before pulling off a sufficiently large explosion to show the jury. They also consistently used a mechanical arm to attach the detonators to the explosive material to avoid premature detonation, because its components were too volatile. In any case, the prosecution conceded that the men had failed to construct a viable bomb. British police and security officials, deeply disappointed at the verdict, blamed the US Government for the weakness of the case. US officials, they said, pressured Pakistani authorities to pre-emptively arrest Rashid Rauf, a Briton operating in Pakistan and the alleged al-Qa'ida ringleader ofthe liquid bomb plot terror cell. The arrest forced British police to crackdown on the members of the cell far earlier than they would have liked to. Indeed, in 2006

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DAWOOD/220706/0859T more can I say I'm worried about I seek Allah's forgiveness for my behaviour I speak about me. It's the front line make your tuba (?) otowbar (?) to Allah and you know after (Arabic words) and go Atilla

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_ DAWOOD/220706/0859T Bro Listen Listen I need Allah, I need Allah Listen, cool our voice down (inaudible) Listen, you know, you know something, in my jahilia (?) when somebody brought me things, jewellery, I'd know what kind of gold it would be, what type of gold it would be and if it was a sparkler(?) I would know what kind of diamond would be as well, in life, see, when we making money and we want to make money and we get jewellery arid we try to make money, we get to know the valuable of it, you know, what its worth, life in general, what's around us, what environment around us, what our children around us, what our wife around us Brothers there's more tea here, sorry We have to find out what valuable we have, now sometimes our wife, right, can be a diamond and we can go round chasing something and then end up getting a silver, might not get silver, we might end up getting a copper, might not get copper might get gold, but just remember will you give somebody your watch, if it was a diamond watch, for a gold watch, yes I might have a diamond watch and a gold watch (sound of movement) put them together I'll have all the diamonds on top of the gold watch, it be brilliant, yeah I'd like to have that, but I got to make sure if I've already got a diamond watch that's worth more and I don't, I want to make sure that if I get a gold watch, I don't lose my diamond watch and if I think I'm going to lose my diamond watch, then I don't want the gold watch and that's what's important, because nobody can give what Allah has given every human being every one of us the beautiful children, look what Allah did he's merciful, you know what I mean, you know, you have a son, you have a~n, you have a_son, and all of a sudden Allah is merciful brings you a]a!{ghter, like me as well, yeah, how he's done it wifFi me Hamdu lilah (?) but do we recognise this that Allah's been merciful on us, Saba (?) and everything will come in place as long as you know what is right and what is wrong it will be great and you want the fun, it will great aki (?), you can. come and you'll get it. That is right Not with a face like mine I can't move Aki (?) For people like myself yeah Aki No serious, for people like myself, Allah knows best
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Like I said to you You're walking away from your responsibility, that is also Jihad. Like I said to you You want an easy way out You know a guy turned round A brother can be forgiven the way I behave twenty four seven You'll have to make the hydra (7) ride as well can I just say something Your way of thinking is completely different from my way of thinking Maybe but Let me let me put it neatly, let me put it neatly listen, let me put it neatly. My nation (7) crimes, twenty four seven No no Its not, for me as a Muslim to recognise the wrongs that I'm making is not pleasing Allah No No I need to do things yeah I'm giving you the answer, I know where you are coming from, I'm giving you the answer, listen to me, alright, look, one thing, what happened, what, I'm going to show you a few point, look at last week what I was angry about, I was angry with certain and certain I'm not, why, because certain people have intelligence, right ah that's a good one Aki And you have that, right, and don't talk like you don't have it, right, because what you doing with in front of us you showing your aggressive side, what you fail to do you have the bottle, we know you have the bottle, you don't have to show that, show us your intelligent side and intelligence side is this I turned round and said to one of the brothers, you know what happened on the tubes, right, how many altogether, four people shaheed(?) Allah wa~lIah(7) I have to say this is as well, but fouTpeopFe got snaheed(7), right, how many people did they take out Fifty two Fifty two, that's not even a breakfast for me I know its not That's not even a breakfast for me, for me in this country, do you understand me

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DAWOO D/220706/0859T Hmm Now, at the same time, how I look at it, I would take my breakfast and I still be with my children and my wife and I'll be looking after them. Remember the jack the ripper, Hmm Remember this people that never get caught, right, don't let your ego go forward, let your intelligence go forward for the sake of Allah, use your Ickma (?) and be effective, effective, see how many gets it, see how many you can take, at the 'same time, see how long you can last out, then if you have to go, then you're going for a good reason. Also also our weakness can also be our test as well. Shatan (?) knows our weakness he's going to pump it in your face twenty four hours a day, I've got my weakness, I know what my weakness is I don't have to lay it out ok, same goes Allah knows your weakness and that brothers weakness and so forth, you got to fight it bruv, we all got to fight, I got to fight my own weakness, its tough its very tough, but he knows that (unclear) is getting to you. lt'sall about fighting it bruv, its hard work sometimes but Harndu lilah you've got to fight it. And its going to always get at you, you, you little (Arabic word) right next to you, its whispering to you, all the time, the minute someone says something that's not appealing to you, you're gonna jump them. , Does everyone know what you say when tragedy befalls Sorry What was that Laithe what did you say, I Does everyone here know what to say when er when a tragedy befalls them Hamdu lilah No Everythings cursed innit No Allah says specifically in the Ouran when tradegy befalls you, you say (ila ilah) or Or (Arabic word) (Same Arabic word) There is over talking When you hear a death No we shouldn't cut the brother off cause he was just speaking Allah (supana) says (Arabic sentence) And we will test you on things of fear, hunger, loss of life, loss of money Atilla Hamid

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knows will turn up, as opposed to those who might. Dawood asks if Abdul Khaliq is turning up. Hamid states he has no problem with him. Hamid asks those present to see how the Muslim brothers are being bullied. He states they have the bombs and the ammunition and they are being bullied in the same way the Americans bullied Iraq. (DC Morton's note: Possibly watching TV footage of Israel I Lebanon crisis) (Hamid states that certain laws are done here, which are controlled over there.) (Hamid says this is what he means when he says, 'enough is enough'. He says his Muslim brothers are annoying him more than the kuffirs.
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( Hamid then states that he will be able to say that he was there, and was there when he went, 'doom doom') ... "1might not have done a lot, but I was there ...(inaudible) ... now I don't want to let this opportunity go" (U/M states that if he does that..(inaudible name Rassoula(?) says, it will be as if he is participating. "..(inaudible) ..go there, I wanna see, I wanna talk to people, I wanna see what we can help, maybe ..(inaudible) ..open a football pitch ... have that side, that's your bit there ... and you can invite the people. Cause I already know ..(lnaudible). Maybe I might go out there and I micht be sitting down in some people I already know ... you understand me. You know it's very easy, cause once I go out there and I give certain names and that, it's no problem. Cause my people are already there anyway ... (inaudible name) ..out there already. So, and I said, look, you're
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