The Outer Chakras: The Energy Centers that Connect You to the Universe with Cyndi Dale

Healers know the chakras as the seven key energy centers in the body that govern our physical, mental, and spiritual well-being. Yet Cyndi Dale teaches that healing is only the beginning—the chakras have much more to offer than most of us realize. A teacher who has earned worldwide acclaim as an emerging authority on the chakras, Dale views the chakras as amazingly versatile gateways to spiritual growth and realization of our most important life goals. Here she talks to us about the innovative twelve-chakra system she teaches in her first audio-learning course, Advanced Chakra Wisdom. Sounds True: Most people teach about the seven primary chakras, but you work with a system of 12. What are the other five, and why are they important? Cyndi Dale: People are familiar with the “normal” seven chakras, but there are dozens if not hundreds of chakra systems. If you study Tantric, Yogic, and Hindu history, as well as Chinese medicine and shamanic cultures, you find anywhere from four or five primary chakras all the way up to fifteen or more. There's not really a standard number of chakras. It all depends on what tradition you come from and what you perceive to be a “primary” or “secondary” chakra. In my work with clients, it struck me that the seven “core” chakras we normally discuss are only the ones in the body, arrayed along the spine. But for centuries, mystics and shamans have known that we're actually an open system, connected energetically to the entire universe, and that our energy is contained at least loosely in an “energy egg.” We have a kind of energy cocoon around our body that shamans in different places in the world have worked with for thousands of years. This matched what I found in my work with clients. There were times in my practice when I would notice a lot of energy was congealing or coming through a certain spot underneath the feet. Or different energy spots over the head or around the body. So I started to work with myself and clients, and see where these hot-spots were, or “power centers,” which is the Mayan term for the chakras. The 12-chakra system I use comes from a blend of my research and my experience with what works. I started to focus on five major additional energy centers located outside the body. These link us to the spiritual realms and the earth itself, and they also interpenetrate the body through the endocrine glands. I've learned that you can actually create more change—physically, mentally, emotionally, spiritually—working with these outer chakras, because you're working with more powerful energies than what's just in the body itself. Sounds True: Why do you think the seven-chakra system has become so prevalent?

Research into biofields and subtle energy bodies shows that we're interconnected. Frankly. that may mean it's time to go up and work with the soul patterns through the 9th chakra. they're really stuck. There are two chakras that are found above the head. and we can work with it to help with hereditary issues. . which is a beautiful energy center. or said). and links you into the environment and nature. That energy center actually helps to program our DNA. I'm not hooked into being the one to say there's a “right” number of chakras.Cyndi Dale: It's our tendency to think of ourselves as closed. It opens to the outer worlds and the Akashic records (a recording of everything you've ever done. We don't stop at the skin—and neither do our chakras.” But I find this mindset still persists unconsciously even in the spiritual community. We can perceive this information as numerical symbols. or our own unique archetypal codes. They think we stop at the skin and that everything is just mechanical. It's under the ground. But also up here you access parallel present realities and potential futures. which is very powerful for energizing and healing the physical body. dimensions. isolated units instead of acknowledging that we're part of a greater whole. This one opens to your genetic patterns. which is underneath the ground. has our physical genetics. Positioned above it is the 9th chakra. while the higher part of the body from about the waist up works with the higher frequencies. Is this effective information? Can we use it to better our lives? Can we use it to better the world around us? Sounds True: Could you describe the five “outer chakras” and what they're for? Cyndi Dale: Let me start with the 10th chakra. It contains the seat of our soul. I'd say: “Terrific! What can you do with them?” To me. geometric patterns. if someone is dealing with a genetic abnormality. So the 10th chakra underneath the feet is working with a lot of infrared energy. It's interesting—we often hear things like: “People who are mechanistic and only go to allopathic doctors. If we're not getting any benefit working on the physical plane. the lower half of the body works with the lower spectrums of light. For instance. and bringing in healing properties and healing energies from the shamanic realms. time periods. thought. it comes down to practicality. working with spirits. Quantum physics is revealing that particles interact even if they're light years apart. to your legacy in terms of family history. to the history of the earth in general. This is the place of the shaman and the mystic. It's up here that you can open your perceptions to different universes. So whereas the 10th. about a foot and a half. and that it causes us to focus only on the in-body chakras. I work with the 10th chakra. In terms of energetics. If somebody came to me and said they use a 48-chakra system. because this is the one that really roots you and brings you into your body. The 8th chakra is an inch or so over the crown. 8th chakra practices are incredibly effective for gathering information. on the opposite side is the energy center that contains our “soul genetics”—encoded information about your higher purpose and spiritual destiny.

Björn Nordenström has found a secondary electrical system that is interconnected through the connective tissue that may be our link into the subtle energy fields.” because people—like shamans—who are really able to access the energy of this chakra. It's good for general overhaul. emotional. A Swedish researcher named Dr. the chakras in the hand. and is our main conduit for harnessing the placebo effect and mind-over-matter healing. Sounds True: Do these outer chakras have a direct relation to any part of the body? Cyndi Dale: Yes—they connect to the body through the endocrine glands. The 8th chakra above the head plugs into the thymus.Then outside of the body are the 11th and 12th chakras. and any diseases related to the bones. and connects into the fats. And right outside of that is the 12th chakra. The 10th chakra works with the bones and the bone marrow. People sometimes say that's not an endocrine gland. This is our connection to different forces. and then stretch beyond into the spiritual planes that lie on the other side of the energy egg and discover unity with the whole universe. we can do much more than use them solely for . work with the 12th chakra. I call it the “command center. and connective tissues like cartilage. both natural and supernatural. It's here that we can identify ourselves with the best of being human. The 11th chakra links to our hands and feet. A lot of research is showing that the connective tissue is the house of the meridian system. The 11th is the most immediate: it's the “energy egg” I mentioned around the entire body. are extraordinarily powerful magicians. They're so versatile and effective. which relates to our immune system. I see the 12th chakra as interconnecting to a lot of secondary points in the body. Sounds True: How do the advanced techniques you teach expand chakra practice beyond healing? Cyndi Dale: We run our lives through our chakras. So as with the primary seven. but there's research that's now proving that the bones and bone marrow produce hormones. mental. working here can effect great change in autoimmune disorders. The 11th chakra seems to be connected in on a subtle level as well as the physical. It's going to balance the small points. and the other organs. This is why so many yoga and spiritual practices emphasize breath work: the breath brings oxygen to the body and is a vessel for spirit. like the kneecaps. muscles. Since the chakras regulate all things physical. which is where we find the plane of mastery. if you have a problem with a specific organ you want to work with the connected chakra in order to heal it. Through the 12th chakra. which is accessible through the hands and feet. we are able to achieve our own spiritual uniqueness and purpose. You can see why I'm in love with these outer five chakras. The 9th chakra above the head interfaces with the diaphragm. If you've just got a general problem and you don't know where to start. and spiritual. They are able to influence the world around them and summon the supernatural energies that can make an instant and effective change in our lives.

or our best eating style or exercise modality. how they work. In my own experience. what they do. you'll be able to tell if these practices are what will work best for you. our interactive relationship patterns. which is a practice where we channel universal energy. which is down in the hip area. I think of them as adjuncts to absolutely any practice. We all have these particular strengths and weaknesses based on how our chakras are programmed by our spirit or our soul. and using our own style to attract what we need in life. weaker chakras. I don't have a strong 7th chakra. We can attract prosperity through the chakras. If I'm going to get an idea. It keeps us out of judgment and helps us remain who we are. Or they may say you need to sit on a cushion and meditate. which is up on top of the head. or working style. If I'm going to pray or meditate my way to an answer. and connect with others. and then customize our lifestyle toward that—remembering to accept ourselves the way we really are. understand our relationships. I would never suggest that somebody throw away what they know. This lets me customize what I'm doing so I can be of most benefit to that client. interactions. and each holds unique abilities and gifts we can tap. by our higher selves. you can better define what you're doing and how you're doing it. But it may not be the same for you! You may have heard someone tell you: “You've got to get out of your head. Sounds True: How can working with the chakras benefit someone who's had a different focus in their spiritual practice. If we can figure out who we are—our “chakra personality”—we can then know how to be most effective in the world.physical concerns. it's going to take until the cows come home and go out again. And I'm teaching someone or working on a client who is strongest in the emotions of the second chakra. I'm a very strong 1st chakra person. I have to move. Knowing the chakras is about knowing who you are. Certain people in spiritual practices open them up to get to Samadhi or a higher state. like a meditator? Cyndi Dale: The chakras are supportive. We all have stronger vs. If you know your chakra personality. Let's take a look at who we really are and what our chakric strengths and weaknesses are saying about our styles. primarily through the heart. Being able to have a sense of the broad meaning of the chakras provides a linkage and a connection to other people. and it's more spiritual. This means I'm very physical. To get inspiration. what's the best way to eat. I take the chakra system very seriously in terms of using it as a gauge for decision making. If you're on a practice. There's a lot of untapped potential. I can't meditate. We can figure out our best career path. I need to move. get in touch with our past lives—so many things. I would say the helpful approach is to embrace the idea of having certain chakra strengths. so we've got to play to our strengths. Let's say that I teach Reiki healing. I have to interact.” or advise you to take up some kind of body-based practice. There's innate intelligence in each chakra. and what in your background has given you unique insights? . We're not all the same. Sounds True: What led you down the path of working with the chakras. learning style.

And she wasn't given very long to live. That was about four years ago. So I was really interactive with the spiritual world. for instance. or relationship pattern. And we tend to think in our society that those are all negative. but I didn't know that was weird or abnormal. and just left the pan there. which involves changing the vibration. Sometimes people just need some information that is stored in the chakras. Sometimes it just gives information and sometimes the information is welcome. And every year they open a little more. and sometimes it's not. The chakras are information centers. It seems there's almost a flip side to the incredible stories of spontaneous healing. There are often a lot of factors making us sick. But I learned quite quickly. I remember I was four. It's been a really interesting path. because they fried bacon. “Where's my spontaneous healing? Don't I deserve it?” Cyndi Dale: Healing is never a “one size fits all” matter. I felt I was up all night listening to these ghosts coming into my parents' house and cooking breakfast. my mom's going to be so mad. Sounds True: In your practice. and there were stories about different relatives who saw things and talked to ghosts and such. living in Huntsville. Even though those were gifts that went back through both my family charts. So I have many stories like that where once you focus on the exact issue through the chakras. I know that sounds bizarre.” Of course. What would you say to someone who's sick and wondering. it was “of the devil. spontaneous healings occur. and she wasn't even present. With them.” So I closed it up from age 12 to 20. In no way would I ever say that working with the chakras is going to cure anybody specifically or always provide a healing. good and bad.Cyndi Dale: I was super psychic as a kid. with Protestant Lutheran parents. You can work any number of ways with the chakras. or financial issue. And we can use the chakras as a kind of “spiritual email”—send an inquiry and get the answer. again. Since that age. I worked with some parents once on their little three-year old girl who had cancer of the liver. and when they left I remember thinking. Energy is information that moves. But I've been so honored to be a part of people's processes. that this illness is a . I saw colors coming out of people. Often somebody will come in and say. what are some of the experiences you've had working with the advanced chakra system that you teach? Cyndi Dale: That's why I love doing what I do. it was just not cool. and she's fine today. “Oh. which is 3rd chakra. I also started traveling to different countries and meeting up with shamans. Alabama. “Why do I have this cancer?” or MS. I got up in the morning and there was no sign of them. I was very visual both with my physical eyes and my inner eyes. I could see energy and colors around people. I saw and heard spirits. I could see their shadows on the walls. The tumors disappeared. and every year I'm able to do a little bit more with them. we did a little bit of chakra work. and the gifts started opening up when I became a client in therapy. trying to regain all those gifts and abilities. Sounds True: Let's dig a little deeper than that. I've really seen a lot of wonderful results for clients. that it was not acceptable. I think I've been like a lot of people are. You can read the information in the energy or you can work with healing.

These chakras within and around us give us access to the universe. And symptoms themselves can provide messages. That's not a reality we can or should try to fight. And we all know that eventually. and we're going to be better if we just make it go away. But at any given moment all of us have illness in our body. Everything is part of the same learning and journey.” I find that in the chakra world that the lower chakras. and there's no real order in how they come.harmful pathogen. there's no separation. I like what Pema Chödrön says in one of her books: you get the good and the bad. Even a spontaneous healing is going to bring about another process.soundstrue. we're all going to . About Cyndi Dale http://www. On a given day it's just as important for me to get my food and meal as it is to do my prayer. The system I teach is designed to help you open up powers and gifts that you may not even know you have. That's not the case. Or it might seem like the outer chakras are “superior” to the inner seven. and we're being “attacked” or invaded by different illnesses. are sometimes considered less “elevated “or inferior to the upper ones. Ken Wilber described it as “transcend and include. Sounds True: Is there anything else you'd like to say about the program itself? Cyndi Dale: There's an idea I hope people take away from the program. An illness itself can be a kind of healing. There's no better or worse. The purpose of this program is to give you a set of empowering tools to use in your own life and spiritual practice. So pretty much you have to embrace them both and stop judging as them as good or bad. because they're more body-based. They let us retrieve the information and the energies that we need for our lives. People like the “miraculous” stuff. but life's a journey.

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