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. CtAHISTORICl\1L RE.Vltw IlROGAAM .RELEASE!AS SANiTlZED . ~ . . Ml999
;·LENOR.:li'JDUU FOR THE RECORD
Waterga.te--Frank A. O!Nalley
1. ~t·3 p.m. on the afteYilOOn of 19 February 197~, ~!r. Fredelrick N. EVans and Lawrence J. Howe intervie ... red Nr _ Frank! A. 0 '.Malley .at; his residence;p 6419 Lakev.i ew Dr Lve , Fa! Is Chur ch , Virginia. Mr. Q'?,lalley retired. from this Agency in.June of 1972. P:rior to reti:re;,_ent: j\!r. 0 t Ma1Lley Has an officer in the External Employment As s i.s t ance Branch, Retirement Activities Dav.i s i.on of the OfficI=! of Personnel. It ·'·las My. 0 I f.~alley T 5 IUTIction. _, to assist! personnel retiring f rom this Agency in :finding po s t-vre t i.r-ement; empLoymerrt _ In this capacity' Nr.· 0 r Nalley had b e en n.ns t rumerrt.... a 1 III ~~ P 1ac emerrt O.L."l.I- • .t:.._l'l.rtTG. ~ 1...... - lone .....c Ho -1. Hunt : the Robert R. t.!ullerr public. r eLa t,ibJ!s ..firiJ.~ The pu rpo s e of this Lnt.erv.i ev ''/2..S "to a t t ernpt to determiI!.e. if add i.t i.ona I inform.ation could be developed f rom Ur ~ 0 rHalley wi th regard to the p Lacemen t of Nr. Hurrt ";i t.h the l·iullen Company.
Qlr_ Qlf.·Ialley began
tha.t to '4ss~~ing his responsibilities in the OfficeoI Personnel he .had.lse rved lvitfl Central Cover Staff in the area deal.1tng ·Ni t.h the· funding of covert action proj e c t s , In "this capac i ty .he had become faiilili2.T l·,i:th the act.ivi ties. o f- NL". Hunt wh i.Le Nr. Hun t Func t i on ed on the. Covert Ac t Lvi t i.e s Staff primarily .i.n the p ropa ganda field. Nr-. O'Malley stated that he first came in corrt ac.t; l·rith ·the . ~,;u11en Company -wheri he 1.;as a t t empt i.ug to find an orga!lization to handle the 'pubLi c relations ef'Fo r t; of a covert .Agency activity known as t.he Free Cuba COIit.'11i ee , t.t Nr_ o I Malley r.e La.t ed t.hat he had a r r anged this COVeT t.hr ough the ChristianfoTw. Organization and tll.a1: his d.uties invo l ved all a sp e c t s of the funcli-.:.g of this' activity ~ l.. _ Ir o Malley c1;eseribed the na t ur e of his ,..-o:;:-i:.iJ1gr e Lat.Lcn sh i.p prior
the natutQ of his
and '"the f..1ullen Com.pany.
past Agency associations
Mr. OJ,Malley stated
both with Mr.
~ith ~~.I,Robart R. Mullen as being close and cordial. Hi:" 0' r.l~lley stated _ t ha t Mr. Mallen was in the habit. of confi ing to him information conccfning Other Mullen business ccrrt ac ts a.nd PTOj ec t s .. In response 'to a sp ec i Ei.c question, NT. O·Nalley ~ t a.t ed that .dur i.ng the period.o his contact Hi t.h the Mu~len'Cbmpany dealing "Ii t.h the Fr'ee Cuba Comai t t ee , Nr. "Mullen told h im the Howar-d Hughes Organization was a client of t.he conce rn, 3. Mr. 0 'Nalley r-ei t er a t ed his, previous ,statements. that NT. Hunt was referred to his office for o l.acement; ass Ls t.ance through the Gf f i.c e of the, Executive Director ~ . then Colbnel L. K. White. Mr. OtNalley stated' t.hat in v i ew of *r .,Hunt J s interests in t.he public relations field). it was thought advisable to put; f.-fr. Hunt; in touch w i th Nr. Robert -l>:!ullen for the purpose 0 f gaining the ben ef i.t f Mr., Mullen J 5 guidance. ,~(T _ 0 iNalley Tees-lIed,. 'a£ter the initial r.teeting) Mr. Nullen mentioned having met M:r. Hunt some y ea'r s previously in Par Ls , Pr arice , .._. i'Ir.. 0' .Nal-ley' s office ar rariged .irrt e-rvi.ews \·;ith various ", organi~ations including Reader's Digest and the Kennecott Copper Company. Th r cugh the o:ffices of the }-!ullen Company an inter,[,.ie,,, was aTr2.nged w i.t.h t he General Foods CorpoTat.Lon , 2.. rJfullen client. Nr •. O'1.falley sta:ted t.here "Fas disappoi tmen\:. that NT- Hunt had been unsucccssfel "iIl use,lling .himself" during any of these Lrrt.er v i ews . and. "that no job offers had resulted. lri response to a question' as to 'whe,Jher OT not executive level interest was. still b e Lng 'sho~vn in HI'_ Hunt' 5 post-employment p La.cemerrt , NT. O'Ua]ley recalled that Richard Helms,. then Director of Central Intelligence, ~as listed as a character reference on:"f.-Ir. Hunt l'S resume and that Nr ~ Helms . s i.gned a Ilet.ter of' .r ecommenda t ion to .t he .Kennecott Copper Company ~n Nr _ Hurrt f s behalf. Mr. 0 tNalley recalled bei~g; contact.ed; in 'the last month of Mr. Hunt's Agency service by 'NT. Mullein" 'rho stated that a decision had' been m.ade to expand -tHeir operations. In v i ew of t.h i s expans i.on ," Mr. NuLl.eri had decided he wcu.Ldhimself offer },Ir_ Hurrtva job~ Mr. Mu l.Len had stated that he was Lrrt ere s t ed in having t·lr. Hunt begin work immediately. Howev'e , plr. Gt14alley rer called' that Mr. Hunt; compl.e t.ed retiremen"t Fo rma.L'i.t.Le.s and ac t ua.LLy s t.a.r t ed wor k for the Mullen Cornp any app r-ox i.raa.t.eLy a week to 10 days later_
.Mr. Huntlbecame instrumental in d.iscussin.g several a.spects of the cove r cpe ra.t Lons .in his capacity as an o Ef i.ce r of the com:p~1.Y. Nr , O'Nalley recalled:referring various Agency Officers to Mr. Hunt for 'guidance when t.he se individuals expressed an interest in'. entering the public. r e La t i.on-s field. Nr. Ol}ifalley did recall d.i sappo Lntmerrt; ~n feeli,g ~tir.· Hunt. 'had gene~al1y been less helpful on Lhese. OCjaSl0ns. .' . . _ -. _
... 4. Mr •. Olr.!alley stated t ha t corrt act lias l;1;tlii!l:air!.cc. l·.=-i Mr. Hunt whi.Le at the ?!ullen Company on 3.. con t i.nu i.ng. th bn si.s , because Mr. O'Nallcy ra s interested in ~ir. Hun t for possible referral of other Agency rel:irces. NT. OINalleylalso understood that there wasCov~r and Coanercial $t2.ff interest in·the f.!u1:1en Co!.!panYJand. that
r e t i r-ed Agency s ecr e t a ry _. "'As in memoranda. and d i s cus s i.on s , My.: OrM2.11ey ~·:2.s tm.ab Le the name of this .i.ndi.v.i.dua.L, He d i.d , howeve-r 7 . s ta.t e that he is quite c er t a i.n Mr, Hunt turned. c.o~·m the indiYidudl whom he referred. As a point of c La.rLf i ce.t i on .r Nr " 0 r Malley said that this individual had 'not p rcv.i.o us Ly been known to Mr_ Hunt;, nor had she prev.ious Ly w·orked. fOT hirit.:ifn any capacity. Ml~. 0 r-Ialley . also recalled a request. froill·Nr, Hunt for an individual having skills i.n the ar.;a of locks and' surreptitious eiltry. A reSURe 6£ ~t:.CQ~ was provided to Mr. Hunt at t.hat; tir.te_ 1 t is Nr , 0' Malley's recollection t.ha t Nr. Hunt specifically . stated that a p ar son-w i t.h Mr, Cb l.:t Jqualifications 'Has', needed in connection l-lith Go requirement of the Howar d. . Hughes Organization in Las Vegas , Nevada. Mr. orr-~a.lley sta ted the opinion that it l·;2.5 his Lmpr-e fon t.hat; the ss duties irwolved wou.Ld incluG.e the monitoring of a listening device ill! an undisclosed locaTion. Ur. orNalley reiteratec. _h~; und e r's t and Ing ~hat Mr, Jdid not accept Nr _ Hun t ' s
ly a f te r Mr. Hunt had assumed his r-espons ibilities with the l'i'~ity House. In. one'instance gr,.Hunt requested referral"
o f a x ecent.Ly
Mr, Hunt. contacted Mr. 0 ~MC',lley on several occasions referral of retiring Agency.enployees vith qualifications. These instances occurred apparent:-
previous "t;o recal]
of emp Loymerrt .
6. Mr. 0 t Ma L'ley then recalled' request a r ecomnenda t ion of a s ecur I ty service
out. an electronic
countermeasures "sKcep.tI Nr. Wackeahut Corporat.ion. Nr_
f rora Nr _ Hunt or gan i z at Lon
o 1 ~.~alley recalled t.hat l'~i~: Hunt cxp re s s ed dis saz i.s Fac tri.on ~d t.h t.h.:lt. sug ge s t i.on in pa r t b ccaus e \-;~;2.t Hr _ !-iu<..t ~ici ...e d aE t ha t f i rra ' s poli t i.ca.J o r i enr a t i.on , Nr ~ 0 r ~hlley did 'not Flabora'~e fu r t.he r on t ha t r ena.rk , r,1~' 0 r c.[alley _ the:t suggested the use of Anderson. Sect!.rity Co;:st:ltan.Ls~ Lnoo r po rjs.t.ed , C DB , ,Hr. O'Malley stated that Lnso fa.rva s this organizal'tion was advertised in the' ye l Low pa.ges and th2.t !-Ir. Hunt. could be assured' of the reliabilit.y of the serv i.c e s , he felt this t.o be a r'easonab te suggestion. l-Ir. o I Halley stated that. during a subsequent phone call 't.;hen, Mr. 0 I Maley asked how his suggestion had worked out) Nr. Hun.tlresponded, "Yes, th~y had aone a fine job.u, At this point Mr _ 0' Nailey \'TaS asked whether 'or not from his c..ssoFiations ~.,ith Mr. Hunt. he felt Mr. Hun.t; wa s in the _ habif of mak~ng glib commerrt s whi.ch \-:e:~ not: ile:ces ~ s a r i l.y accurate an order to pass over 2. SllO) ec t , 1:~r. 01 _r..:al1:-eyl stated that this lias c<: egoric,:ll_y t 50 _ - He sai~ he was sjrr e that Mr. Hunt had 'll.ed to hUll on a number or occasions and t.hat , therefore, he \·T2.sin no position to .lh a ... l." , H ....ha d ac ..... ·1 , a..c.... .1.aCL,. be su r t rrr unz tua.i.ry n z ne s'e rv i ce s ' of Ande r son Security Consultants. Nr - a '~!alley vol~rr~e~red the opinion that, he suspec'ted the electronic count e rraea sur e s "s\Y'eepn tra.s to be carried. out: in the offices' o£ the 'CoIlL.'TI.i ttee to Re- elect t he Pr e s Lderrt _ .,
Agency t<i> Mr. McCord.
7. In response' to a question as 'to whet.h.e r ., had :referred anyone to NcCord Associates ~ f.Ir ~ 0 '?-lalley replied. thal: he remembered. having referred Walter Bray<ien. Nr'. 'Brayd."en for a ti ime acted as bodyguard to l-!rs. r:!aTtha Hi t.che Lt.l As an aside 'l-ir.' 0 t,Nalley ment i.on.ed t..hat. Hr _ ' Brayd.en had refused to carry a :fireaTJtl in sp i t e of the fact that NT. l-'!cCord told him he could do so on 'the authority of the Attorney General. Asked specifically if he had ever referred either William Shea or Teresa She2.'to Hr. f..'icCord7 14r. O'Malley, stated that he did notreca.ll specifically referring Teresa Shea and that he l·;2.S su.re th2..t he had not eferred lYilliam Shea to him. So ~ cont..rary to ' previous statements, 'l,t is now Mr_ 0 r l\'jalleyl b e Li.e.f tha~ s in all probability r.-frs • Shea 1'iaS nOL r ef'er-red 'by' this
s. Returning tb Mi. O'Malley's previous rcsponsibiliiies l.n COOT ~inating funding for t.hc covd:t. ac t inn ac t i.v i t.Les . o£ Ur. E. Hotra rd, Hun , the issue Has .r a i.sed as t.o whecher t or not t e funding of My. Hunt ' s -p roj e ct s con t i.nued b e twe.en July ~965 and September 1966 whi.Le ?<ir. Hunt ,·ras 2. contract employee stationed at Madrid; Spain. Hr. O'l,falley recalled that at Il.he time of U:::-. Hunt I S as s Lgnment 1:0 ~hdL"idthe statemenit dissemina:ted for consuap t Lo w i t.hi.n the Agency n was that Mr, Hunt: 1iTaS, retir:i,ng ~ Mr_ 0 Nalley stated 'that this lias not generally' oelieyecL Mr. 0 t Malley' '.... quite as certain ~hat during this period his office handled no pro j ec t ,,"'unding for Mr. Hunt. In .:r-esponse to specific question Ni. ·0J Ma.TLey stated that on Mr_ Hunt;I 5 -return to s t afif employment the pro j ec t s and funding l-;hich.· stopped in July 196~ we re again r e sumed , Mr. 0 t Malley ","as no t awar-e . of any Piroj ec t names or funding mechan i.sns or po s t+a s s Lgnment; accoun·ti~gs, in connection \ii t.h Mr_ Hunt "s activities in Madrid .
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