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Nice keyboard :) #uoltan richardmobbs: #uoltan Hi all STLock: #uoltan Hey everyone mjmobbs: #uoltan Hello everyone stujohnson: #uoltan Wish I'd eaten more lunch cjrw: #uoltan Web2.0 session just starting shanitomorrow: #uoltan at open seminar in UoL with @AJCann and others. Just setting up, explaining twitter to participants. jobadge: hello to everyone getting set up for #uoltan @ajcann trying to convert us all. Think I've just been called an old lag. humph! stujohnson: @HazelR search on twitter for #uoltan to see how it works in an unfrivolous fashion llordllama: #uoltan Ooooh, pretty slide AJCann: Sarah is presenting the first slide at #uoltan richardmobbs: #uoltan Hi all from my iPhone the best device I have ever bought STLock: #uoltan wow a lot of logos! levesleyj1: #uoltan Hello everybody shanitomorrow: #uoltan hi everyone shani here sitting at the back and having trouble with my multiple pairs of glasses STLock: #uoltan some depts have banned the use of wikipedia! Realistic? stujohnson: information literacy is a mindset #uoltan llordllama: So who is Karin Dalziel then? #uoltan amcunningham: #uoltan Hello everybody ... from cardiff cjrw: #uoltan discussing use of tools on ethics module and SSM jobadge: #uoltan helping ethics students to improve their info litaeracy #uoltan no via transmission but enabling them to think for themselves shanitomorrow: #uoltan already lost trying to multi-task - maybe I'll just listen STLock: #uoltan resources ta point of need always good, when poss llordllama: Do you think people are paying more attention to thinking up clever tweets or listening to A & S? #uoltan MJSimpson: What is an 'authetication hub'? #uoltan
mjmobbs: #uoltan this is very easy with firefox plugin, #uoltan stream and updating at the same time llordllama: And more to the point how does it feel to be up front and no one's looking at you? Good/bad/indifferent? #uoltan jobadge: @amcunningham welcome to discussion - how is the weather in Cardiff today? Are you following along with the slides? #uoltan AJCann: Sarah is demonstrating courses on Blackboard at #uoltan cjrw: interesting web2.0 stuff on teachers.tv/ict this week - schools are now exploiting more of these tools #uoltan amcunningham: #uoltan am I the only person not in the room? jobadge: @MJSimpson authentication hub was blackbaord - a single place where students can be checked to make sure they were UOL students #uoltan shanitomorrow: @jobadge is welcoming remote participants. she types fast #uoltan amcunningham: #uoltan and is this alan's presentation? which slide is he on? stujohnson: sorry about my cough everyone! #uoltan shanitomorrow: @mjmobbs is that firefox twitter plug-in? #uoltan jobadge: @amcunningham I think you are the only remote participant so far #uoltan, not sure the Mike is here @MJSimpson ? are you here mike? jwellens: #uoltan are alan's slide placing comments automatically feeding with slide changes? cjrw: @amcunningham joint presentation by Alan and Sarah - can't see anyone else not in the room (if you see what I mean) #uoltan stujohnson: struggling to walk and chew gum #uoltan stujohnson: tailored google search looks v handy #uoltan llordllama: Like the use of custom search - and let's face it they're gonna use google anyhoo #uoltan shanitomorrow: #uoltan sarah talking about google custome search for quality control mjmobbs: @shanitomorrow yes it is twitter plugin on Firefox, I can show you how to get Firefox on your CFS account #uoltan jobadge: #uoltan google cse from 160 sites with tutor derived providence jobadge: #uoltan we've been picked up by tweet trends :-) llordllama: @stujohnson Shouldn't be chewing gum in a pc class room ;) #uoltan STLock: #uoltan students liked journal's page in pageflakes, including rss feeds from journals & medline/pubmed
llordllama: #jobadge So is Tweet Trends a good thing then? #uoltan STLock: #uoltan the students used to using journals because they are medical students? other subjects differ? llordllama: @stlock We need to make more use/publicise RSS feeds I think! #uoltan stujohnson: Here's the pageflakes page http://tinyurl.com/75dmpw (expand) #uoltan amcunningham: #uoltan nice that you are tweeting some of comments but can you tell me which slide he is on? STLock: @llordllama rss needs to be big on library agenda. #uoltan amcunningham: #uoltan I can already hear an audio commentary jwellens: #uoltan Are 1st year med students more likely to use journals than others - or are they familiar because med research reported in media? shanitomorrow: @mjmobbs firefox/twitter plug-in fab, thanks #uoltan jobadge: @llordllama - means our discussion is ranking globally - see the list down the right hand side of the twitter search page #uoltan STLock: @amcunningham #uoltan don't think on slides but actually in VLE (blackboard) llordllama: @jobadge Ooooh, impressive #uoltan cjrw: not sure Alan and Sarah want it on Facebook! #uoltan stujohnson: @amcunningham but 8/17 #uoltan mjmobbs: Gratuitous self promotion.Some guides you can give to students about setting up twitter and netvibes ples http://tinyurl.com/7utcpy (expand) #uoltan amcunningham: #uoltan ok.... so not following presentation on slideshare? a wee bit more confused llordllama: But @ajcann You said Facebook was so 2008 last week - isn't it old techiwow now? #uoltan STLock: @cjrw #uoltan doubt they want it on FB as think it should be left for students to use for socialisation shanitomorrow: "generational thing: students know how to use technology (ie facebook), we don't" - I disagree #uoltan jobadge: @amcunningham #uoltan slide 8 just now. In room discussion about whether we should shift the course from Blackboard to facebook llordllama: @shanitomorrow I agree, but then some of us are more clued up with others #uoltan STLock: @amcunningham #uoltan apparently there are BB screen shots in slides amcunningham: #uoltan not much mention of facebook in pre-presentation
jwellens: #uoltan @cjrw @STLock students from our research didn't want academic stuff in FB to be followed up soon with focus groups cjrw: pull into Facebook not delivers channel @AJCann #uoltan llordllama: Huzzah - name checked! #uoltan STLock: @amcunningham #uoltan Fb was brought up as an idea in room by the ethics tutor shanitomorrow: alan talking about facebook vs open social networks #uoltan cjrw: @llordllama is there a scoring system? #uoltan amcunningham: #uoltan ok, that helps. thank you llordllama: @cjrw I hope so, and perhaps we can establish "batting averages" for future twitter enhanced events! #uoltan amcunningham: #uoltan much clearer now, what about future blackboard NG... will that help? cjrw: discussing what didn't work in the ethics module #uoltan stressing need for long-term exposure jwellens: #uoltan may be too early in the uni career to expect students to undertake peer feedback llordllama: You've got to remember, we can't talk too loudly i the library scholastic atmosphere don't you know #uoltan STLock: #uoltan students still did most communication f2f but then they would see each other anyway amcunningham: #uoltan i know very few doctors who use SB... so not so surprised that hard to convince students STLock: #uoltan hurrah, quality of resources used improved... a librarian's grail jobadge: @amcunningham #uoltan not sure in BB NG will help or hinder - possiblity of using Bb sync to pull course content into FB was raised llordllama: Google = known/trusted tech. Not suprised they liked anything that makes students' lives easier #uoltan shanitomorrow: tangible improvement in the quality of resources used referencing better able to quote sources - from tutor #uoltan jobadge: #uoltan slide 12 stujohnson: We're 3rd on trending list #uoltan - no 2nd! STLock: #uoltan talking about library sessions on rss & social bookmarking.. but only sparsely attended llordllama: Did you offer incentives to attend? tea, coffee, cake work well #uoltan
cjrw: people didn't know what they didn't know #uoltan jobadge: #uoltan formal staff training sessions - not well attended but those that came enjoyed it. perhaps some didn't know what they didn't know jwellens: #uoltan so no known unknowns but unknown unknows amcunningham: #uoltan slide number?? sorry, i seem to keep getting way ahead of all of you so listening to same bits several times shanitomorrow: #uoltan didactic teaching vs creating a demand to learn about RSS llordllama: @stujohnson What do we need to do to break into number 1? #uoltan llordllama: Ah advocacy/evangalisation - my old area of expertise #uoltan shanitomorrow: evangelise rather than train - resources need to be inplace for on demand learning #uoltan stujohnson: evangelise rather than train to plug rss and social bookmarking #uoltan llordllama: Don't worry @whittybus We're saying nice/useful/constructive things! #uoltan shanitomorrow: maybe place for social network as medium for informal learning? #uoltan STLock: #uoltan library blog onscreen http://uollibraryblog.wordpress.com/ cjrw: @llordllama tweet more #uoltan mjmobbs: #uoltan need a case study approach to teaching web 2.0. Demonstrate the effectiveness in working practice llordllama: Library blog's here http://uollibraryblog.wordpress.com/ #uoltan Play nice! cjrw: @llordllama score one for Joanne #uoltan levesleyj1: #uoltan what is a trending list jobadge: #uoltan evangelise rather than train. difficult for staff to know about things they are not aware of - e.g. social bookmarking, RSS llordllama: Actually make that "Information Librarian's blog" - not offical! #uoltan STLock: @levesleyj1 #uoltan most talked about topic on twitter amcunningham: @stujohnson thank you... sorry i was missing your updates as wasn't following you:( and you didn't tag. i was using the search #uoltan stujohnson: and sorry about the squeeky water bottle too! #uoltan jwellens: #uoltan is that the suggestion for the incentive - bread and butter? jobadge: @levesleyj1 trending means our discussion is ranking globally - see the
list down the right hand side of the twitter search page #uoltan amcunningham: #uoltan have you convinced any clinical staff to use these tools? shanitomorrow: youtube ad reference tool - how to tune a violin #uoltan cjrw: sprog #1 uses YouTube as primary tool to find pokemon cheats (I note from recent check of web history) #uoltan llordllama: I'm a big YouTube user I must confess (erm, and wiki) #uoltan jwellens: #uoltan shift focus of training to evaluating and contextualising resources rather than finding STLock: #uoltan what do non-library people think library should do re:web2.0 llordllama: @cjrw You can cheat a Pokemon? Is nothing sacred? #uoltan mjmobbs: Evaluating resources - intelligent repositories, provide students choice of learning materials #uoltan jobadge: #uoltan end of slides @ajcann talking about the fact these resources were very traditional, little investigation of trans-media sources cjrw: @AJCann now talking about bioscience module - copyright and publishing issues #uoltan llordllama: Copyright'll be unrecognisable within the next few years if you ask me. Just ask the Pirate Bay! #uoltan amcunningham: #uoltan my project where students write essay about family they visit should lend itself to contextualisation. shanitomorrow: #uoltan @ajcann talking about #transliteracy ... and #participatorymedia #IP #CC issues with media production by students jobadge: @amcunningham #uoltan not many clinicians using the tools - hence discussion about staff training jobadge: #uoltan general discussion now - how did you try to make it fun? web 2 is about the joy of creation? stujohnson: questions now - how do we make this stuff fun? #uoltan amcunningham: trans-media = audio/visual? #uoltan shanitomorrow: @stujohnson #uoltan making it fun is partly about just doing it, living it amcunningham: #uoltan but students sometimes prefer to pick something random. skill is definitely in making sense and relevance of findings llordllama: @ajcann 's deadright - not everything is fun; but anything can be engaging #uoltan shanitomorrow: #uoltan interesting question about what is meant by "fun" mjmobbs: #uoltan student are building a learning community, within which they
share information. Is this not fun? mjmobbs: #uoltan Is the distinction between online learning and social community blurring? mrulster: @amcunningham why am i getting a stream of updates from you re some uoltan chat? llordllama: Are other faculty/dept students not "strategic learners"? Do they not have long term goals too? #uoltan amcunningham: #uoltan i think key is to demonstrate good practice... get some clinicians showing how this is relevant to their real working lives and jobadge: @amcunningham any questions you want to ask? #uoltan STLock: @llordllama #uoltan think most students are strategic learners in these busy days amcunningham: #uoltan and it will be better accepted. if we can't do that then maybe we need to question the merit, there must be some early adopters llordllama: Books aren't boring! The jury's still out on librarianship IMHO #uoltan shanitomorrow: @jobucks #uoltan yes, being a role model is one way of achieving that stujohnson: Institutionalized personalization. There's an oxymoron #uoltan cjrw: problems with multiple tools, multiple passwords etc - students (and staff) getting lost &/or put off? #uoltan llordllama: @STLock Yeah, considering how much they invest in their education how can they be anything but! #uoltan mjmobbs: Should it be institutionalised? No - personalised = your own choice #uoltan jobadge: #uoltan @richardmobbs asks should we have an instutional list of services to use to make a PLE? @ajcann says NO! llordllama: @jobadge I think Harry Hill might be able to sort out a solution between the pair of them #uoltan cjrw: need to assess it = sad reflection on reality of motivating the modern student #uoltan STLock: #uoltan new tech is likely to solve password probs in future... netvibes etc already partway there shanitomorrow: @cjrw #uoltan re: multiple tools/passwords we've found the same issue with small businesses #nlabnetworks amcunningham: #uoltan strategic learning is what we do day to day in practice... no harm for students to learn how to find info quickly torresk: @jobadge joining #uoltan from Spain just now, trying to catch up :)
shanitomorrow: #uoltan interesting how important assessment is as a motivator amcunningham: @jobadge #uoltan agree!!!! cjrw: complaints about keyboard noise and multitasking #uoltan shanitomorrow: #uoltan problem of twittering in workshops distraction of typing ... need for silent keyboards! llordllama: Softer keyboards might help? Personally keeps me focussed, but this more my kind of personal learning style #uoltan amcunningham: @shanitomorrow #uoltan we've known that for a while. but has to either be clearly relevant to longterm working or to assessment not just for sandra_romenska: #uoltan"How do you make students do anything? By assessing them." :-( Why not by allowing them have choice/responsibility whether to do it? shanitomorrow: #uoltan surface engagement vs dedth of engagement amcunningham: #uoltan not just for sake of it. most people use web 2/0 to talk about web 2.0. most of learning in medicine is not about 2.0 do hard to amcunningham: #uoltan hard to find meaningful examples of good practice. we are still ata very early stage llordllama: As Richard says: thoughts that I might have missed because I was looking outside the window. I like the idea of a multiuser note book #uoltan shanitomorrow: #uoltan pen and paper vs shared resources and notetaking cjrw: finding material again later? Time to plug Delicious too? #uoltan jobadge: quality and engagement and twitter - signal to noise ratio #uoltan shanitomorrow: #uoltan and now signal/noise ratio online as well as noise in physical space @ajcann need to learn how to manage noise cjrw: two uses of the word noise - keyboard clunks and irrelevant info #uoltan amcunningham: #uoltan does anyone really use delicious socially for recording info relevant to their day to day work? llordllama: Indeedy @ajcann that's signal/noise discrimination certainly is an IL element #uoltan llordllama: @cjrw I refer you to my softer keyboard suggestion of earlier #uoltan cjrw: @amcunningham absolutely! some have more than one account, but I use one that is mostly work, plus some social #uoltan amcunningham: #uoltan difference between how we use delicious as researchers/educators and how useful to clinicians/professionals richardmobbs: #uoltan no keyboard noise from my iPhone amcunningham: #uoltan I don't really use delicious to record info about gp work
and i am an evangelist:) llordllama: So do we have two debate streams going on here now: Virtual and audio? #uoltan shanitomorrow: RT @crjw can you DM your delicious accounts? I want to research you :)~ and with tag #uoltan mjmobbs: #uoltan the silent keyboard...hello Dragons amcunningham: @cjrw #uoltan what is your delicious id? i'll join your network! amcunningham: #uoltan i am wishfulthinker on delicious cjrw: @amcunningham @shanitomorrow delicious.com/chriswillmott #uoltan egrommet: @amcunningham #uoltan Much rather use something like Mento which allows you to chat around the link sent to user, library and group amcunningham: #uoltan what is happening in the room? stujohnson: I think this room is the problem rather than twitter http://tinyurl.com/7krpbe (expand) #uoltan STLock: #uoltan fatigue is setting in jobadge: looks like we are running out of stuff to talk about! #uoltan jwellens: #uoltan but this is the room that students have to use shanitomorrow: #uoltan if anyone would like to join my delicious network, please do. delicious ID shanilee llordllama: @stujohnson Should we have brought laptops and done it in a seminar room? Or would that have been more of a problem? #uoltan amcunningham: @egrommet #uoltan problem is finding teh people to talk about it with. I am not sure that the channel of talking is important jobadge: @richardmobbs wants to know what training we should provide instiutionally for web 2.0 - @ajcann says you can lead a horse to water #uoltan stujohnson: @jwellens although students usually use this room for individual study #uoltan STLock: @llordllama that assumes people have laptops #uoltan amcunningham: @stujohnson#uoltan that link is forbidden to me llordllama: @stlock Well I could always twitter from my phone if all else fails #uoltan mrulster: @amcunningham anne marie, please. you're bombarding me with twitter updates re uoltan llordllama: Oh yes embedding of IL sessions into curriculum - this is essential!!! #uoltan
amcunningham: #uoltan we need to focus on what web2.0 can really help with before setting out to train people. want to avoid making it seem navel-gazing llordllama: Clap clap clap clap Or do I have to do that none virtually? #uoltan STLock: Bye to #uoltan, need to get home to walk the dog jobadge: bye for now to #uoltan amcunningham: @egrommet #uoltan still finding delicious cleanest interface torresk: @amcunningham #uoltan but how can we know whether something works or not if we don't try it first with the users? :( shanitomorrow: uoltan @ajcann @jobadge and everyone else - cool session, thanks. Interesting how my vision problem also affected my ability to hear amcunningham: @torresk #uoltan in vocational course need to get practitioners onboard ...at least some.... before you will know how useful to students amcunningham: @torresk #uoltan so depends which users you are talking about. i would concentrate on finding onboard faculty first msars: Thanks to all for #uoltan tweets. I just caught up with amcunningham: #uoltan thank you very much. i hope my contribution was some help. msars: Thanks to all for #uoltan tweets. I just caught up with you when it finished! amcunningham: #uoltan i did feel quite disconnected and have found that a/v streaming can be more useful. but interesting. amcunningham: #uoltan did twittering add anything for those present? torresk: @amcunningham #uoltan totally agree,was playing devil's advocate,but problem is I find it easier to get students into web 2 than colleagues llordllama: Loved the session and want to use twitter in my text session-but really benefits from having 2nd person to respond whilst u talk #uoltan shanitomorrow: RT #uoltan @ajcann @jobadge and everyone else - cool session, thanks. Interesting how my vision problem also affected my ability to hear shanitomorrow: #uoltan interesting post-session discussion about importance of room lay-out, skills of w/shop leaders to manage multi-channel inc f2f shanitomorrow: @amcunningham did twitter add to session: I'm learning how to use it, so yes and no - but other physical factors also important #uoltan shanitomorrow: @mjmobbs okay, where can I find you post-session? #uoltan shanitomorrow: @jobadge good to meet (at last) and thanks for delicious add #uoltan mjmobbs: @shanitomorrow The twitter plugin for firefox is found here http://tinyurl.com/2bmr3q #uoltan
whittybus: #uoltan now I finally get to read it! thanks for coming along and all your contributions.
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