Tantric Buddhism - Tantric Philosophy - Quotations by Zen Master Rama, Dr.

Frederick Lenz
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Tantric Buddhism - Tantric Philosophy - Quotations by Zen Master Rama, Dr. Frederick Lenz Main Page: www.ramaquotes.com Tantric Buddhism - Tantric Philosophy: www.ramaquotes.com/html/tantric_philosophy.html ******************************************************************* Zen Master Rama: "The Buddha taught three cycles of teachings. His first cycle of teachings cover the basics, the prerequisites. This would include the Dharmapada. His second cycle of teachings discusses the cosmology of the universes. But in his later years, he wrote the tantric texts. The tantras can be very confusing for a person who is new to Buddhism, and for several thousand years the rule was not to expose a person or a new monk to the tantras until they had practiced for many, many years. The Dali Lama and other notable Buddhist teachers have now indicated that since the world has plunged into a dark age, the information available in the tantras, which include the very, very powerful Kundalini release techniques, should be made available to the public. Tantric Buddhism means that we become mature adults and we learn the reality of chaos theory. The human mind and the entire life process is chaotic. Chaos is not something that lacks order; chaos has varieties of order within it. Everything is subtle. Everything has a million sides. Everything is a manifestation of god. Everything is light. All beings are infinite. All things are perfect, in their own way. In Tantric Buddhism we call the inherent knowledge that all animate and

inanimate objects possess of themselves - their emptiness. People who are capable of practicing tantra are individuals who have meditated for many, many years and developed very strong and powerful states of attention. Some people go into tantra with the idea, sort of an intellectual approach, that now they can just do everything and stay high. That doesn't work at all. The emphasis is on meditation in Tantric Zen. The experience of meditation in formal practice, zazen, where you're sitting down and meditating and concentrating. A critical part of Tantric Buddhism is a process of turning of the activities and experiences in your daily life into meditation. Consumer goods become enlightenment. Relationships -- anything! It doesn't really matter because infinity exists in everything. It doesn't really matter what you do. It is your state of mind that matters. Any avenue that you follow leads to light. All roads lead to Rome. Success, failure, pain, small furry animals, household products, freeways, Star Wars systems -- all are interlinked in the dance of tantra, the disco of the mind, the ballroom of cosmic consciousness. In Tantric Buddhism, we believe that Samsara is Nirvana. That is to say that everything in the universe is part of us. And we also are part of everything in the universe. If you follow anything far enough in the universe, it will eventually lead to light. Practitioners of tantra don't decide to break the rules. They are not particularly hung up on having sex or eating meat or drinking alcohol. They don't strive to do these things, nor do they strive to avoid them. In tantra we don't believe in commandments. We believe in the moment and the truth that is applicable for that moment, as best we can sort it out with our heart, our intuition, our knowledge, our common sense. In tantra, samsara is viewed as the same thing as nirvana. Eating a hamburger is meditation. For most people the prohibitions are a good thing. But If you are able to maintain very powerful states of mind, then you'll find yourself in everything you see. Tantric Buddhists don't believe in sin. Stupidity, yes, meaning we make ourselves or others suffer. One person will eat meat and it will lower their attention field. Another person won't even be affected by it because they're not in the

state of mind whereby they'll be affected by it. For the person who wants to get to the mystical experience directly, Tantric Buddhism is the path. Zen is Tantric Buddhism, Vajrayana is tantric Buddhism - these are various forms of it. Tantric Buddhism simply means cutting to the chase. Tantra is quicker; but for some people it can be spiritually disastrous. Why don't you like being you for a change? Just be different and don't hate yourself and feel very good about all your different desires and all the things you didn't want and want. Go get them all, and see what it's like. There's a path in enlightenment called the path of negation where we intentionally throw ourselves into experiences that are extremely transient. In other words, we do all the stuff you're supposed to normally avoid to become enlightened, intentionally. If you find a Tantric master - he has you go and do all the things you hate to do. Tantra is spiritual, not religious. It deals with the spirit. Religion is just an applied body of doctrines that's believed or not believed by one or more individuals. Spirituality is the science of metaphysics. Tantra is non-dogmatic, in the sense that we don't care about the sensual world; we don't care about other religious traditions. To not care doesn't mean that we don't learn. What we seek to do in Tantric Buddhism is to liquefy ourselves. Life will automatically bring us to the next stage. You don't really have to know where you're going -- It's like breathing. There's no right or wrong in the study of enlightenment. There's only experience. Living in the spiritual world is very easy, once you grow accustomed to it. But initially, it puts you through some changes. Music is part of the tantra, the dance of life. Before your eyes, before your awareness, is the procession of eternity. Be neither attracted nor repulsed is the message of Tantric Buddhism. Don't be drawn to something, don't run away from it. Just naturally accept whatever comes into life. Tantra is the perception of the oneness and the perfection of all things. Not just the perception of light, but the perception of darkness, seeing God in both beauty and horror. In the world of Buddhist mind, in the advanced states, we go beyond

time, space, life, death and Newsweek. Tantric Buddhism is just a collection of things that work by doing them. And sometimes we add new things. We have electronic music; we did not have it in Tibet. The emphasis in tantra is not what you find yourself doing, it's on meditation. Its not what you do that matters. It's not what you say. There's nothing that is not holy or spiritual. Be beyond definition, beyond categorization, be absorbed." - Zen Master Rama www.ramaquotes.com Thank you in advance for your religious tolerance. Reply From: Date: Jeremy H. Donovan - view profile Sat, Dec 24 2005 10:47 pm

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The facts about Rama can be found by anyone who is really interested (and has half a brain left), just by reading all the following information: http://skepdic.com/rama.html * http://www.freedomofmind.com/resourcecenter/groups/r/rama/lurtsema.htm * http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/7.09/lenz.html * http://skepdic.com/comments/ramacom.html * http://www.freedomofmind.com/resourcecenter/groups/r/rama/noonan.htm * http://www.freedomofmind.com/resourcecenter/groups/r/rama/yuppie.htm * http://www.freedomofmind.com/resourcecenter/groups/r/rama/suicide.htm * http://www.freedomofmind.com/resourcecenter/groups/r/rama/collar.htm * http://www.freedomofmind.com/resourcecenter/groups/r/rama/pills.htm * http://www.csicop.org/articles/lenz/ * http://www.ex-cult.org/Groups/Rama/williams-article.html * http://www.ex-cult.org/Groups/Rama/ * http://www.ex-cult.org/Groups/Rama/03.chap-1 http://www.ex-cult.org/Groups/Rama/02.Newsweek-article * http://www.ex-cult.org/Groups/Rama/westrptr.txt http://www.ex-cult.org/Groups/Rama/wired http://www.ex-cult.org/Groups/Rama/lenz-bib.txt http://www.ex-cult.org/Groups/Rama/dalilama.txt http://www.ex-cult.org/Groups/Rama/rama-report.html http://www.ex-cult.org/Groups/Rama/rama-appendix-1.html http://www.ex-cult.org/Groups/Rama/rama-appendix-2.html http://www.ex-cult.org/Groups/Rama/rama-appendix-3.html http://www.ex-cult.org/Groups/Rama/rama-appendix-4.html http://www.ex-cult.org/Groups/Rama/rama-appendix-9.html

http://www.ex-cult.org/Groups/Rama/rama-update-1.html http://www.ex-cult.org/Groups/Rama/rama-update-2.html http://www.ex-cult.org/Groups/Rama/rama-update-3.html http://www.ex-cult.org/Groups/Rama/josh.txt http://www.ex-cult.org/Groups/Rama/ficklin.txt http://www.ex-cult.org/Groups/Rama/path2en.txt http://www.freedomofmind.com/resourcecenter/groups/r/rama/ http://www.csicop.org/si/9607/lenz.html http://www.csicop.org/si/9801/lenz.html http://www.jondube.com/resume/cult.html http://cms.psychologytoday.com/articles/pto-19981101-000031.html These links tell all any sane person really needs to know about Freddie Lenz. And that's the truth, no matter how many times you spam some unrelated newsgroup, and defend your cult addiction. Thanks in advance for your oblivious denial and adolescent reliance upon magical thinking. -Jer Reply From: Date: maitria...@aol.com - view profile Sun, Dec 25 2005 3:02 am

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Jeremy & his Buddy Temper sound like such jealous losers who have never had any girlfriends, in any incarnation. I knew Rama for more than 16 years & he never mistreated anyone, always paid his bills early & generously tipped. Your assertion's come from an unqualified convicted cash kidnappers right wing propaganda website, who charged $50,000 for kidnapping highly evolved people, and then "reprogramming" them by showing them Charles Manson videos for hours on end. Needles to say Joe & his felonious kidnapper buddies were successfully sued & then lost everything remaining by being forced to repeatedly grab their ankles in front of big Bubba in prison. Jeremys Buddy Temper says:"It is hard for a skeptic to believe that such a line would work with any woman, but apparently it does and the day before taxes were due in 1998" (Jeremy obviously has problems with his own sexuality or lack thereof). The fact's are that Jeremy, you have proved yourself to be such an ignorant moron. You don't even mention the hundreds of thousands of westerners that Rama taught to Meditate for free. What has your looser in every incarnation, miserable self ever done in this or any lifetime Nothing, that's what I thought! Temper says:"I am CONVINCED you will have no problem finding a BETTER MAN for the job for Zen teachings. The Dalai Lama happen to be in the United State. I have even seen him in California recently (from T.V.

report). I have studied with a great many worldwide Buddhist masters & Rama is by far is the most Enlightened. I also hold a Vajra Masters degree conferred by HHDL. Thank you for recommending baby food when Multidimensional awareness is what real Buddhism echo's. HHDL is a great teacher to have studied with, but I have studied with several enlightening beings in the East. Rama is far further along the pathway of Enlightenment than they are and that you could possibly comprehend, in your very limited current Adharmic state of awareness. Perhaps you should try: Government disinformation work, is Bush, Mao, or Blair your Buddha? >From the perspective of a Vajra Master, you fail to explain a great many things that you have just begun to be criticized for, by worldwide Buddhist masters accepting of the fact that Rama is Enlightened as well as a greatly respected Buddhist teacher. You flail your words like appendages, in anger! The talks by Dr. Lenz [Rama] provide refreshing and excellent reading material for western Zen students. They inspire new students to practice zazen and older students to deepen their practice. - Dennis Genpo Merzel, Roshi - Kanzeon Zen Center, Gerry Shishin Wick, Rohsi - Great Mountain Zen Center Meditation practice (zazen) has remained as the one form that has transcended time and cultural boundaries. Dr. Frederick P. Lenz [Rama] is one pioneer who introduced American modes of practice while focusing on the fundamental Practice of zazen. - Dennis Genpo Merzel, Roshi - Kanzeon Zen Center, Gerry Shishin Wick, Rohsi - Great Mountain Zen Center Can you think of any deceased teachers, who still have students today? (not even Carl Sagan)? When I and many others have presented Rama's materials to; international monks in Nepal, Bhutan, India, Nomgoyal & HHDL at the Thekchen Choling Temple, they are excited about Buddhism taking on a new form in America You probably insist that after decades of practice, Tens of thousands of hours of meditation, weeks of courses with HHDL, stating at the end of the Vajra Master training course, in Dharamsala, India; "You are now Vajra Masters" that some how the protagonist is still just as confused, to say the least, as ever! You seem to have asked me to comment on some of the many of these comparatively identical elements from my teacher Rama. Chenrezig practice & Meditation instruction according to Khempo's & Rinpoche's

cited below, is identical to what Rama taught, practiced & illustrated in the http://www.ramaquotes.com/ website and are listed below with specific links. I have not cited below (except HHDL) any of the many worldwide Buddhist masters, accepting of the fact that Rama is Enlightened, as well as a greatly respected Buddhist teacher. Rama is enlightened, as far as I & many others perceptive awareness can tell. many of us have well proven this fairly enough to stake my Tibetan Tri Ratna, Khatvanga & Khadga, (do you even know what any of the above are or what their used for?) That you seem to be battling your own initiation & self described practice whenever you attack Rama's teachings, or any information from the free quote site. So one of the real questions is: "In pluralistic, democratic societies, there is the freedom to adopt the religion of your choice. This is good! This lets curious people like you run around on the loose! " HHDL "We also call tolerance the "best armor," since it protects you from being conquered by hatred itself." HHDL To supplement your limited post, I also site from a random website The comparative site date is referenced as 1991(http://www.dharma-haven.org/tibetan/chen-re-zig.htm). 15. Though someone may deride and speak bad words About you in a public gathering, Looking on him as a spiritual teacher, Bow to him with respect. This is the practice of Bodhisattvas. Could this be what HHDL & Thomas Jefferson refer to as religious tolerance? And thereby become like the Protector Chenrezig Who dwells in neither extreme -- not in the world nor in peace. What does the following coan mean to you? "Chenrezig glows in the dark -- Chenrezig even glows in the daylight", have you ever seen this manifest in the physical, subtle physical before, or heard about it? Please describe in specific detail as to your experiences & those persons incarnate that you may personally know who currently exhibit these traits. Chenrezig / Avalokiteshvara: The Embodiment of Compassion The Sadhana of Chenrezig is open to anyone who feels inspired to practice it

-- unlike most of the Tibetan Buddhist practices, which require prior initiation by a lama (meditation master). Padmasambhava 747A.D: "When the iron eagle flies and horses run on wheels, the Tibetan people will be scattered over the earth and the Dharma will go to the land of the red man." Hopi Prophecy: "When the iron bird flies, the red-robed people of the East who have lost their land will appear, and the two brothers from across the great ocean will be reunited." Tilopa:"The practice of Mantra and Paramita, Instruction in the Sutras and Precepts, And teaching from the Schools and Scriptures will not bring Realization of the Innate Truth. For if the mind when filled with some desire Should seek a goal, it only hides the Light." Namaste' "Illustrious examples from the past are Naropa, an ornament of Indian adepts" - The 2nd Dalai Lama

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