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An about face by China on solar power
Posted on April 7, 2012 by Anthony Watts

From John Droz’s newsletter with a hat-tip to Dr. Roger Pielke Sr. for bringing it to my attention and via the “I can hear Joe Romm’s head exploding” department and Electric Light and Power comes this story: CHINA TO DROP SOLAR ENERGY TO FOCUS ON NUCLEAR POWER Asia Pulse China will accelerate the use of new-energy sources such as nuclear energy and put an end to blind expansion in industries such as solar energy and wind power in 2012, Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao says in a government report published on March 5. China will instead develop nuclear power in 2012, actively develop hydroelectric power, tackle key problems more quickly in the exploration and development of shale gas, and increase the share of new energy and renewable energy in total energy consumption. The guidance indicates a new trend for new-energy and renewable energy development in China from 2012. Analysts believe that the development of the solar and wind power industries will stabilize while hydropower will have the top priority in renewable energy development in China. – Hydropower to contribute two-thirds of renewable energy According to China’s development plan for 2011-2015, China aims to increase the share of renewable energy consumption to 11.4 per cent of total energy consumption in China by the end of 2015. Full story here
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83 Responses to An about face by China on solar power
Alvin says:
April 7, 2012 at 7:04 pm

Why does China have the smart energy plan while our administration depend on pixie dust?

Toby says:
April 7, 2012 at 7:05 pm

Pragmatic Communism. Still communism, but at least they apply common sense here and there. I’ll bet they still build the panels and sell them to more gullible sorts though!!!

H.R. says:
April 7, 2012 at 7:07 pm

No fools over there in China.

JohnWho says:
April 7, 2012 at 7:13 pm

Sounds like the Chinese learn well from others mistakes, doesn’t it?

Tom Harley says:
April 7, 2012 at 7:18 pm

Reblogged this on pindanpost.

R. de Haan says:
April 7, 2012 at 7:19 pm

Not entirely off topic: Fukushima 4 potential for global disaster or… another propagandistic attempt to beef up UN powers? http://akiomatsumura.com/2012/04/682.html

James Sexton says:
April 7, 2012 at 7:24 pm

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Now that the funds are getting shut off. India knows it. 2012 at 7:35 pm Now Solyndra has the market to themselves.16 per cent in on-grid wind power output. Can we put the turtles back now? lmao! A C of Adelaide says: April 7. It was a phony propped up market in which enabled China to siphon $billions from the gullible lunatics advocating this massive bit of stupidity. How renewable energy is the wave of the future……. Decoded. France knows it. Meanwhile.3 percentage point from 8. Lord Timothy of Edsion says: April 7. The operating hours of solar power generating units also declined in spite of the tripling of installed capacity of solar PV power. the average operating hours of hydropower generating facilities decreased 376 hours to 3. post a link to Wen Jiabao’s full speech why don’cha. wind power and solar power. England knows it. including hydropower. Surely it comes quickly. says Qian Zhimin. Iran knows it.com/2012/04/07/an-about-face-by-china-on-solar-power/ 3/21 .3 per cent in 2011. Amen. the lowest level of the past 20 years. “– Share of non-fossil energy use in China drops in 2011 The share of non-fossil energy consumption.” Lol.028 hours in 2011 due to severe drought.1/18/13 An about face by China on solar power | Watts Up With That? “Analysts believe that the development of the solar and wind power industries will stabilize…. in total primary energy use in China witnessed a decline of 0. 2012 at 7:26 pm I thought this part of the news report was interesting too. Let’s hear all of the lunatics now talk about how we’re losing the tech race with China. “ Paul Westhaver says: April 7. all it means is that China will result construction on the four plants on which world was suspended following Fukushima. deputy director with the NEA. it will drop to the degree the west quits subsidizing it. 2012 at 7:28 pm Nuclear Power is the long term answer without a doubt. nuclear power. the industry is dying a quick death. the operating hours of wind power generating units plunged by 144 hours in 2011 despite an increase of 48. The people pushing solar power and wind mills are the some people protesting Nuclear power in the 1970′s. 2012 at 7:35 pm Gee. Canada knows it. The only solution to to the green activism is old age and Alzheimers. According to a report from the China Electricity Council on the performance of China’s power industry in 2011. China knows it.6 per cent in 2010 to 8. wattsupwiththat. eddie willers says: April 7.

We should do the same! Elftone says: April 7. Canada. everyone knows CO2 is a dangerous gas – Right??? Al Gore said it so it must be true. At least their leaders seem to do things in a manner that makes sense. 2012 at 7:40 pm As an aside.com/2012/04/07/an-about-face-by-china-on-solar-power/ 4/21 . China has always been strictly pragmatic and experimental. 2012 at 7:39 pm The usual suspects constantly laud China as the truly “green” country. I think of Kenny Everett. With the EU falling on hard economic times perhaps the carbon credit plan is being back-burnered. nor any phrase like it. All the same. a bunch of which was headed to China. Heck.1/18/13 An about face by China on solar power | Watts Up With That? As for the phrase “China to drop solar energy” … neither this phrase. Sigh… Bob Johnston says: April 7. The US leaders either do nothing or do things that defy rational explanation. polistra says: April 7. 2012 at 8:02 pm Except during the worst years of Mao. I think Toby above has hit the nail on the head. I give them credit. This development shows the curtain has been pulled aside and true strategy Chinese strategy is revealed. they have been using PR to encourage the western world to continue wasting their resources on wind and solar and to buy their products. every time I read “I can hear Joe Romm’s head exploding”. I suspect Mao gave the wattsupwiththat. and I heard a loud explosion from the direction of David Fruit Fly Suzuki Water front mansion. DaveG says: April 7. appears anywhere in Wen Jiabao’s speech. Engineering-minded and economics-minded folks who want to know what’s *REALLY* going in China—regarding green energy technologies—need to read “Why Boston Power Went to China” in the most recent issue of MIT Technology Review (a Google search will find it). can somebody report on Al Gore? – Sarc off oeman50 says: April 7. they have used the press to give the world the impression they are very green. 2012 at 7:52 pm I always thought China would continue with wind and solar as long as the European Union continued with their insane carbon credit plan. 2012 at 7:49 pm Maybe I should move to China. In actuality. Jesse says: April 7. I wander if it’s his head exploding. I have and idea: Let’s not use our internal natural resources for energy because it will produce CO2 (a plant food). I was driving along Point Grey Rd in Vancouver BC. 2012 at 7:36 pm Woh.

Do what works. Actually. Don’t do what fails. Canada knows it. Following Correct Thought straight into the national grave. Claude Harvey says: April 7. Try things. The solar and wind will probably be used in rural areas to help them have at least some energy for phones etc without the huge cost of running lines. Practical wins the day.1/18/13 An about face by China on solar power | Watts Up With That? current older generation a permanent and extreme allergy to all sorts of theory and ideology. France knows it. The people screaming that we’re screwing over future generations by not adopting their agenda are the ones who are doin’ the screwin’. crosspatch says: April 7. Used to be the American way. China will have a program of massive energy production without the nuclear waste issue we have. England knows it. India knows it. China knows it. with Bill Gates as an investor. 2012 at 8:05 pm Any bets they will beat the USA/Europe to LFTR? Fusion? They have a very fascinating angle on fusion and I haven’t heard any updates for a few years now. Instead. They’ll be quite pleased to continue selling it to us. the more strictly and Diligently we follow the book. Did someone just make a breakthrough on sustained fusion? Oh Mr Chairman ….com/2012/04/07/an-about-face-by-china-on-solar-power/ 5/21 . 2012 at 8:25 pm Is seems that China suckered the whole western world. of fast neutron reactors to use for recycling nuclear fuel. 2012 at 8:18 pm China’s policy has always been to subsidize manufacturing and sell that junk to us while “going through the motions” of using it themselves. We should follow their lead. we’ve been following Mao since 1989. TRM says: April 7. The deeper we dig. 2012 at 8:17 pm China is also working on a program. China is implementing what was the original US nuclear energy program until Jimmy Carter decided not to recycle spent fuel. Iran knows it. 2012 at 7:28 pm Nuclear Power is the long term answer without a doubt. see what works. wattsupwiththat. And we marvel that their leaders think themselves ever so much smarter than ours? Bill Tuttle says: April 7. 2012 at 8:22 pm Paul Westhaver says: April 7. They understand the concept of base load energy supply. Odd how that always seems to be the case… Richard Sharpe says: April 7. I wouldn’t bet against them getting to it first.

The media has so thoroughly brain washed everything nuclear it will be impossible for us to develop our own thorium reactors. The message is clear enough. In the meanwhile the knuckle headed environmentalists and their useful idiots. de Haan says: April 7. Navy was pulling ships and personnel out of a wide swath around the plant during the original crisis. ================================================= Except this bit. If they are successful in designing and building them they will eat our lunch. As for the phrase “China to drop solar energy” … neither this phrase. “We will prevent blind expansion in our capacity to manufacture solar energy and wind power equipment. Reactor building #4 is leaning like the Tower of Pisa and propped up by hastily constructed reinforcements.1/18/13 An about face by China on solar power | Watts Up With That? James Allison says: April 7. the mainstream media. appears anywhere in Wen Jiabao’s speech. nor any phrase like it. 2012 at 9:08 pm Is it a smile I see on that oversize picture of Mao like maybe he believes he was right to have had his red shirts drive the schoolteachers to the farms where they could at least provide some value to society? Bruce says: April 7.” Claude Harvey says: April 7. That structural mess is at the opposite end of the engineering spectrum from “nuclear grade and seismically qualified”. 2012 at 7:35 pm Gee. 2012 at 8:44 pm I wonder if China will start building thorium reactors. What a waste. the province with nuclear power. 2012 at 8:38 pm Canada does not know it. 2012 at 8:34 pm Re: R. Ontario. post a link to Wen Jiabao’s full speech why don’cha. sunshinehours1 says: April 7. . 2012 at 8:33 pm Lord Timothy of Edsion says: April 7. 2012 at 9:09 pm wattsupwiththat. will continue to hobble our nuclear industry.com/2012/04/07/an-about-face-by-china-on-solar-power/ 6/21 . Richard deSousa says: April 7. is squandering billions on green energy.S. 2012 at 7:19 pm “Fukushima 4 potential for global disaster or… another propagandistic attempt to beef up UN powers?” Tip over that spent-fuel pool at the top floor of Fukushima Unit 4 and you’ll see why the U. Wagathon says: April 7.

into nuclear fuel and can be used to reprocess spent fuel rods.html The US is quickly moving from world leader in nuclear power to a third-rate country. Russia is also building a fast neutron reactor. 2012 at 9:20 pm Translation: OK. it makes perfectly good reactor fuel. but is absolutely poison for a weapon. which will also be built in China. we in China back off … provided that you Americans don’t increase tariffs on Chinese solar panels.” In other words: New energy = nuclear and shale gas Renewable energy = hydro This is clearly a policy position.org/NN_Heavy_metal_power_reactor_slated_for_2017_2303122. They are realizing the goals laid out in the December 2005 article in Scientific American entitled “Smarter Use of Nuclear Waste”. It converts natural uranium. safely and effectively develop nuclear power. http://www. even depleted uranium that we use for bullets. P-240 is nearly impossible to separate from P-239. and increase the share of new energy and renewable energy in total energy consumption.com/2012/04/07/an-about-face-by-china-on-solar-power/ 7/21 . Sorry WUWT … your understanding of this story is utterly backwards and wrong. P-240 undergoes spontaneous fission. but enough quotable code has been inserted for green lefties to let the West sink itself into the sunset if it chooses.” From your link to Mr Wen’s speech (English translation): “We will optimize the energy structure. Because the real story is really simple: China is holding back its burgeoning economic and technological strength in green energy technology … solely because we threatened to impose a tariff. wattsupwiththat. post a link to Wen Jiabao’s full speech why don’cha. promote clean and efficient use of traditional energy. the SVBR-100. 2012 at 9:20 pm I wonder if China will start building thorium reactors. Friar Marquette says: April 7. The WUWT headline should read “China: Full Speed Ahead on Solar Technology.1/18/13 An about face by China on solar power | Watts Up With That? “Lord Timothy of Edsion says: April 7. It is quite safe. The Great Game continues. actually and REDUCES nuclear proliferation if done correctly. This unit is a fast neutron reactor that also generates electricity and is used for water desalinization. They are building conventional uranium/plutonium reactors. The key is to ensure you “poison” it with P-240. No. 2012 at 7:35 pm Gee. something you do NOT want to happen in a weapon. the CAP-1400.” crosspatch says: April 7. You turn U-238 into P-239 in a fast neutron reactor. They will likely go to a plutonium fuel cycle just as the US had planned to do and as Japan is moving toward. tackle key problems more quickly in the exploration and development of shale gas. actively develop hydroelectric power.world-nuclear-news. China is currently building several Westinghouse AP-1000 plants and their modified version.

financialpost. This is needless to say a great opportunity for doing business which is what the head of a small battery company is talking about. leaving the gullible West to buy their product. I think it is clear China is trying to get as much technical expertise developed in their country by inviting in foreign firms and slowly getting them to do R&D work in country. cloudy Northern Europe is like growing paw-paws in Iceland – it can be done. I’m guessing the main concern is keeping pollution out of the capital). 2012 at 9:50 pm It’s very clear that the only reason that China was heavily invested in solar panel production was to cut costs to the bone and drive out all the competition.com/2012/04/07/an-about-face-by-china-on-solar-power/ 8/21 . Aside from the market. China is realizing that dream.com/2012/04/04/william-watson-if-you-cant-beat-china-surrender/ http://opinion. In the US. electrical power in this country that the utilities would be absolutely begging us to use more of it. so she didn’t get any stimulus funds. Viv Forbes says: April 7. The mayor of Beijing has a policy that gas powered cars can only run certain days.1/18/13 An about face by China on solar power | Watts Up With That? crosspatch says: April 7. 2012 at 10:10 pm Why Green Energy produces Red Ink Generating electricity from solar panels in cold. clipe says: April 7. Sam says: April 7. I’m not sure what you can draw from this about China’s envionmental policy. and she also got a meeting with the premier. she wasn’t connected and didn’t lobby enough. Oh. but who would be so silly as to try? Germany was silly enough to try. 2012 at 9:58 pm The mentioned “Why Boston Power Went to China” http://www. while electric can run constantly (given the polluting nature of China’s electricity. Germany gets about an hour of useful sunshine per day in winter – solar power is weakest wattsupwiththat. The Chinese proceeded to provide the funds and some more (125 versus 100 million).financialpost. We are being stupid. Their next step will be to become the low bidder on new. They would have done it sooner but they could see that the USA has been sound asleep for the last 30 years.com/2012/04/04/terence-corcoran-asia-pacific-is-no-model-for-canada/ DBCooper says: April 7. 2012 at 9:48 pm http://opinion. it’s safe to announce what China plans to do internally for its own power sources.technologyreview. Now that solar panel prices have plummeted and most competitors are belly up. exportable power sources.com/energy/39273/page1/ Its sort of funny. 2012 at 9:25 pm We could have so much cheap. the thing she says she likes is the political attention. clean.

In the southwestern USA the average with flat panels over a year is 6. The only sensible participant in the solar industry is China – they make panels very cheaply using coal power and sell them to green dreamers. Thanks for correcting me Viv Forbes forbes@carbon-sense. most electricity must come from reliable energy sources like gas. The department of Energy has a great site that gives the 30 year insolation values as recorded at airports around the country. solar panel manufacturer Solyndra went broke. For the other 20 hours of the day. and there is no dust on the panels. Dennis Ray Wingo says: April 7. providing the skies are clear.pdf I guess it is all a bit about semantics – what is “full strength solar power”.com James Bull says: April 7. hydro. recently offered $2 billion in loan guarantees by US tax payers. but despite a half billion dollar loan from US tax payers. For systems that track the sun this increases to almost ten hours per day.1/18/13 An about face by China on solar power | Watts Up With That? just when they need it most. I took my guess from a diagram in this article: Solar Power Realities: http://carbon-sense. but then settled on four hours. Viv Forbes says: April 7. Sunny California also tried. coal or nuclear. just went broke. and there is no dust on the panels. With all this compelling evidence of the failures of solar electricity. most electricity must come from reliable energy sources like gas. coal or nuclear. and you are in a tropical zone. you are correct in questioning that figure. Full strength solar energy is available around midday for around 4 hours each day. why is the Australian government frittering $1.com/2012/04/07/an-about-face-by-china-on-solar-power/ 9/21 . I started with a 6 hours figure. But they have installed about half of the world’s solar panels. has also filed for bankruptcy. 2012 at 10:45 pm Full strength solar energy is available around midday for around 4 hours each day. 2012 at 11:20 pm Thanks Dennis.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/solar-realities. And tracking collectors would help a lot.4 hours per day. As much as I am a proponent of nuclear power this is false. All the European PIIGS have tried – and the waste of taxpayer funds on failing green energy schemes is a major reason for their parlous financial state. The reason green energy creates so much red ink is pretty obvious – it just needs one day’s observation of the sun. once the world’s biggest manufacturer of solar panels. and you are in a tropical zone. providing the skies are clear. Germany’s Q-Cells. hydro.5 billion on green toys like the Moree and Chinchilla Solar farms? Green gambling is for private speculators not for captive tax payers. 2012 at 11:46 pm wattsupwiththat. For the other 20 hours of the day. Solar Trust of America. So did four other German solar companies.

China’s “holding back its burgeoning economic and technological strength in green energy technology” because it can’t *sell* it. LazyTeenager says: April 8. “We will prevent blind expansion in our capacity to manufacture solar energy and wind power equipment. DirkH says: April 8. The message is clear enough. 2012 at 8:02 pm “Except during the worst years of Mao.” ———– James this does not mean they are dropping solar and wind production. why is the Australian government frittering $1. 2012 at 9:20 pm Because the real story is really simple: China is holding back its burgeoning economic and technological strength in green energy technology … solely because we threatened to impose a tariff. 2012 at 1:54 am Just another example of why in 25 years from now there will only be one global supoerpower – and it won’t be the USA. The real story is really simpler than that — China overproduced solar panels and now they’re a glut on the market. The consequence for all you know might be an actual reduction. Peter Miller says: April 8. continuing the current rate. China has always been strictly pragmatic and experimental. and particularly for the areas where these power stations are being built. ” wattsupwiththat. a reduction in the rate of increase. Australia is not called the “sunburnt country” for nothing. 2012 at 1:15 am James says Except this bit.5 billion on green toys like the Moree and Chinchilla Solar farms? ———Because the evidence you cited does not apply to Australia. It means they are going to give it more careful consideration. 2012 at 1:31 am Bib Forbes says With all this compelling evidence of the failures of solar electricity. 2012 at 12:01 am Friar Marquette says: April 7. or even increasing the rate. 2012 at 2:36 am polistra says: April 7.1/18/13 An about face by China on solar power | Watts Up With That? They will be getting a letter from James Hansen in a verbose manner telling them how naughty they are and how they should follow the rest of us into darkness and cold! James Bull Bill Tuttle says: April 8. LazyTeenager says: April 8.com/2012/04/07/an-about-face-by-china-on-solar-power/ 10/21 .

000. The share of fossil fuels in the total primary energy supply is forecast to rise from 42% in 2002 to 69% in 2030 while at the same time. anywhere on the planet. says Vietnam will have enough qualified experts to safely manage an industry that is scheduled to grow from one nuclear reactor in 2020 to 10 reactors by 2030. investing US$83bn to add 106GW of coal-based capacity to the sector. The government.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/solar-realities.Drought-induced low water levels in its numerous hydro power dams have caused rolling black-outs and its expected that the forecast rise in demand for power will exacerbate these deficits unless additional capacity is brought online.com/2012/03/02/world/asia/vietnams-nuclear-dreams-blossom-despite-doubts. bucking the trend in favor of sustainable development.html? pagewanted=all BTW: Vietnam has a population 87. Vietnam will become increasingly dependent on fossil fuels with the share of renewable sources (excluding biomass) falling.” http://www. produce panels.com jonathan frodsham says: April 8.nytimes. 2012 at 9:20 pm “Because the real story is really simple: China is holding back its burgeoning economic and technological strength in green energy technology … solely because we threatened to impose a tariff. since april 01 Germany. it is scrambling to raise from scratch a field of experts needed to operate and regulate nuclear power plants. there’s a lot of cheap hydropower there. has cut FIT’s drastically and will from now on review and adapt the tariffs monthly.com/article/0013975. So in the run-up to this change PV was installed in a frantic pace.1/18/13 An about face by China on solar power | Watts Up With That? What would be the worst years of Mao? The Great Leap Forward or the Culture Revolution? Friar Marquette says: April 7. Centrotherm) In other words. buy a fab.” No. renewable sources will see their part reduced from 58% to 22% over the same period. 2012 at 3:45 am “Vietnam plans 90 new coal-based power plants by 2025.pdf Viv Forbes forbes@carbon-sense.ifandp. This report is based on actual performance in Australia: Solar Power Realities: http://carbon-sense. Viv Forbes says: April 8.com/2012/04/07/an-about-face-by-china-on-solar-power/ 11/21 . the biggest market for solar panels. Also. You could do it in Washington. their “technological strength” in making PV panels is based on the combination of three factors: -Lower wages -Cheaper energy (produced by coal plants.000. harrywr2 says: wattsupwiththat. not by PV panels) -German fab machinery (Roth&Rau. which is beefing up nuclear engineering programs at its universities and sending increasing numbers of young technicians abroad. Vietnam prepares to begin one of the world’s most ambitious nuclear power programs. not yearly. 2012 at 3:28 am The sun still rises and sets in Australia.html http://www. 3 GWpeak in the first 3 months of this year to be able to enjoy the FIT before the cut for the next 20years by the developers.

I wouldn’t call it an ‘about face’. 2012 at 5:28 am An about face by China on solar power | Watts Up With That? http://www. 43 million kW of nuclear power.com/RSSFeedDetailedNews/RSSFeed/ElectricPower/8050022 To meet electricity demand. 1. don’t see them letting them get in the way now. including 342 million kW of hydropower.com/RSSFeedDetailedNews/RSSFeed/ElectricPower/8050022 To meet electricity demand. More likely a realization that new ‘solar subsidies’ in the developed world will make demand for solar less of a ‘growth issue’ ========================================================================= Also from Platts: By 2020. 5 million kW of solar power.platts. CEC estimates that China’s national installed capacity will reach 1. 2. 5 million kW of solar power. 43 million kW of nuclear power. 40 million kW of natural gas-fired power. and 5 million kW of biological and other energies. 3.463 billion kW by 2015. “Plans of mice and men” Albert Stienstra says: April 8. including 1. China’s national installed capacity is estimated to reach a total of 1. including 342 million kW of hydropower. More likely a realization that new ‘solar subsidies’ in the developed world will make demand for solar less of a ‘growth issue’ Russ says: April 8.com/2012/04/07/an-about-face-by-china-on-solar-power/ 12/21 . for Australian coal making a huge profit. 928 million kW of coal-fired power. and 5 million kW of biological and other energies. 40 million kW of natural gas-fired power. jonathan frodsham says: April 8.platts. wattsupwiththat. 2012 at 7:39 am China might have a cap on carbon: At $2. 100 million kW of wind power. 928 million kW of coal-fired power.17 billion kW (60%) of coal-fired power.935 billion kW. 2012 at 5:28 am http://www.463 billion kW by 2015. They didn’t let the facts get in the way before. 2012 at 7:24 am I fully expect that for the next ten years liberal commentators like Bill Mahar will continue to laud China for being so advanced in the use of Solar and Wind power.1/18/13 April 8. I wouldn’t call it an ‘about face’. 2012 at 7:03 am Reblogged this on Is it 2012 in Nevada County Yet?. 420 million kW (23%) of hydropower. 100 million kW of wind power. CEC estimates that China’s national installed capacity will reach 1. 80 million kW (4%) of nuclear power. 2012 at 8:11 am harrywr2 says: April 8. Peter says: April 8.0 per tonne and then swap it from Australia for $23 per tonne.

Tom Roe says: April 8. solar power.6%) of natural gas-fired power. hydropower] in total energy consumption. What will they do with nuclear waste? Who sold them the technology? Smart decision? cafeproz says: April 8. So is wind power with its gas backup. 5. Am I reading this wrong? or is China still interested in renewable energy enough to keep increasing its use? Is that because that’s what they want to do? or is that because they have this multi-decade plan to lure westerners into it? wattsupwiththat. It is a token fraction. 2012 at 9:39 am “China will instead develop nuclear power in 2012. 2012 at 9:39 am This is hardly surprising since the Politburo is dominated by engineers who can actually do math and some of whom have actual experience in power generation. aka-the american mortgage market meltdown.r. 2012 at 8:41 am One day anthropologists will debate the role the rusting hulks of mega-windmills played in the economic decline of American society. 10 million kW (0. I wonder what the arguments were against the mindless head-building? What was the name of the community organizer they followed off the cliff? As for our Chinese friends they will falter when the global dynamic becomes less favorable to them. Joel Upchurch says: April 8. tackle key problems more quickly in the exploration and development of shale gas.” Wow.3%) of solar power.t.5%) of biological and other energies.3% installed = 2.com/2012/04/07/an-about-face-by-china-on-solar-power/ 13/21 .4 per cent of total energy consumption in China by the end of 2015. sounds like a very sensible energy policy. 25 million kW (1. 50 million kW (2. A line of jagged broken teeth to expensive to pull to far gone to fix will dot our countryside like the stone heads on Easter Island. and increase the share of new energy and renewable energy [meaning. I call that an about-face w.1/18/13 An about face by China on solar power | Watts Up With That? 4. climatereflections says: April 8. primarily.3% net) of wind power. This puts them way ahead of lawyers that can’t figure out the tip on a restaurant check without a calculator. 6. and 7. 2012 at 10:56 am The report says that: China aims to increase the share of renewable energy consumption to 11. Any chance we can get that in the US? john says: April 8.political crises results. At that point they will hide the slide until a major fiscal. 180 million kW (9.. actively develop hydroelectric power.2% installed = 1/5 or 0. 2012 at 10:28 am Nuclear is very polluting.

Wondering Aloud says: April 8. How many of those new plants are replacing an old. Often the term “renewable energy” is thought to mean only those dead-end. 2012 at 11:59 am Only be reading between the lines can you see that China has given up on renewables. Meanwhile for nuclear power installed and actual are essentially synonyms. solar and even hydro all have capacity hugely larger than they have actual production. The implication being that only the wind and sun are renewable. but they still got the subsidy. and how much comes from inefficient. wattsupwiththat. coal-fired plants do not last forever. science-projecty things like large scale solar panel or windmill industrial power generation facilities (euphemistically called “farms”). inefficient Mao-era plant? A sensible power management policy is not only about new plants. you should ask how much of that comes from good old fashioned hydro-power. 2012 at 11:50 am One other thing. Solar up 3X by system. Doug Proctor says: April 8.com/2012/04/07/an-about-face-by-china-on-solar-power/ 14/21 . For example world wide the installed capacity for wind power is always at least 5 times the actual production.1/18/13 An about face by China on solar power | Watts Up With That? Wondering Aloud says: April 8. where can they work? PaulH says: April 8. However. but at the same time go more coal and nuclear. 2012 at 12:25 pm Hydropower to contribute two-thirds of renewable energy This is a very important point. When the economics don’t make sense in China. Wind. But hydro electric is also renewable… the rivers keeps flowing and water keeps running through the turbines. At face value. Installed capacity is a meaningless way to compare power sources. Using installed capacity as a comparison is a method used by the BS artists to distract from the fact that those methods are not producing and will not produce the needed power. unreliable wind and solar. output down. Well. There was a report before of wind turbines being built but not connected to the grid. Peculiar: wind systems at 148% of last year. they are going to expand them. 2012 at 11:45 am If the CAGW alarmists actually believed their own baloney they would be shouting this decision joyfully from the roof tops. output essentially the same. Crispin in Johannesburg says: April 8. 2012 at 1:06 pm Re Chinese energy: We are often told China commissions a new coal-fired power plant every two weeks. Maybe what we see is the logical expansion of a corrupt power generation group. So when someone says that some government is successful at creating X% of their electrical needs from renewable sources. with its low manpower cost. that sounds like a lot of new capacity. it is about clearing out the inefficient old ones and increasing their total generating capacity at the same time.

The Chinese do not make off-hand or casual remarks. 2012 at 4:04 pm LazyTeenager says: April 8. As others have said I don’t see where China has stated that they are dropping wind and solar. no less. solar PV (and solar thermal) are already much cheaper than “new-build” nuclear and new-build clean coal (clean is purely a marketing moniker. renewables are also competitive with new natural gas electricity plants when considering long term costs.forbes. JohninCalif says: April 8. Steve from Rockwood says: April 8.” At this site: http://www. Looks like the Greenie dream of everyone living in a Yurt has been blown. The consequence for all you know might be an actual reduction. Yes. just that they are controlling the rampant expansion of production in these fields. I don’t think it is the Chinese. (” We will prevent blind expansion in our capacity to manufacture solar energy and wind power equipment”). It means they are going to give it more careful consideration. The message is clear enough. Otherwise they would have said “demand for solar and wind power remains strong” or “we are increasing our investment in solar and wind because demand is increasing”. not actually clean). At some point it is worth replacing old equipment even if it is not worn out yet. 2012 at 1:15 am James says Except this bit. Possibly to stabilise prices. If you assume reasonable escalation rates for natural gas. I expect the ‘new plants’ meme has been used to promote alarm. 2012 at 2:36 pm A couple of points of interest. I’ve been doing engineering too long. Phineas Fahrquar says: wattsupwiththat.com/2012/04/07/an-about-face-by-china-on-solar-power/ 15/21 . And I just read this unusual statement: “With those levels of prices. so whether they are genuinely in the carbon tax meme or just paying lip service is debatable. Secondly China will trial cap and trade.” ———– James this does not mean they are dropping solar and wind production.com/sites/williampentland/2012/04/07/clean-energys-pursuit-of-an-empty-prize/2/ Someone sure screwed up – and for some reason. China’s premier Wen Jiabao states that China is to drive up consumer demand.1/18/13 An about face by China on solar power | Watts Up With That? Coal costs money. They are telling you that the demand for solar power is weakening and they will make the necessary adjustments. or even increasing the rate. “We will prevent blind expansion in our capacity to manufacture solar energy and wind power equipment. Stringing power lines from ConEd is still sooooo much cheaper than renewable – in the desert. not just the short term view. With the Chinese population being encouraged to become consumers there is no hope of a reduction in their emissions per capita. Disko Troop says: April 8. So suck it up. so what is the real change in the total number of coal-fired generating stations? The air quality in Beijing has improved a great deal as the old plants have been removed. continuing the current rate. and looking for reasonable power options out in the boonies. a reduction in the rate of increase. 2012 at 2:57 pm Wow.

& the way US is falling into this trap & spending itself aways is even more disturbing… The US way: Hey let’s chase bearded boogy man & create ennemy everywhere at the same time.. print money like crazy & burn it in hopeless “green” projet. 2012 at 8:39 pm @Steve from Rockwood This assumes that you know what they meant. Jobs have and are moving from California eastwards then Far eastwards. destroy every principles upon our nation was built. you start reading your own lines too and… that is. With nearly one billion citizens being dirt poor. But they meant is not exactly they said. they have a firm grasp of basic math skills. genteel decline.1/18/13 April 8.com/2012/04/07/an-about-face-by-china-on-solar-power/ 16/21 . Nuclear power defines inexpensive and reliable (especially when you take DOE/NRE out of the equation). Jimbo says: April 8. 2012 at 4:21 pm An about face by China on solar power | Watts Up With That? Reblogged this on Public Secrets and commented: Al Gore and Thomas Friedman shriek in rage. 2012 at 7:45 pm Of course. Mike Wryley says: April 8. provide him w/t what is required to complete the wattsupwiththat. They also know that the health and welfare of any society is directly related to the cost and availability of inexpensive and reliable energy. at the very least is a tricky proposition. turn against our own people. it appears that the Chinese communists actually care about their country. EO Peter says: April 8. 2012 at 5:20 pm CHINA TO DROP SOLAR ENERGY TO FOCUS ON NUCLEAR POWER The above plus the great efforts of the CAGW scammers will hasten the drive of Western Civilization into steady. This is dated april 2000 but is AFAIK very far from a joke & 12 years later prove still valid. 2012 at 10:40 pm An interesting paper on the Chinese “goals” is “au/acsc/171/2000-04″ found using google. the Chicoms are fully aware they do not have the luxury of taxing the crap out of their population to pay for wasteful and unproductive green science projects. Mike Wryley says: April 8. My take is that once you start reading between the lines. Oh & don’t forget to let all of our production capability evaporate to the benefit of China… The Chinese way: Hey let’s the invincible giant digest himself from within. this begs the following observation. Pay attention to parts 2 & 3. The way the Chinese “bleed to death” the US economy is frightening. I’m lost for words. 2012 at 6:40 pm The Chinese gubment might be communist. cafeproz says: April 8. but unlike the DOE.

China has 14 nuclear reactors in service and 25 under construction. It does not need to believe in any future for PV cells. 2012 at 11:22 pm To be more precise regarding OP. 2012 at 10:52 pm Could any one please give me some numbers regarding the economic effect of the ongoing Climategate (in terms of GDP)? I buy the idea that there is some degree alarmism and rash/misguided/ideologigical decisions that have been made regarding energy… but that said. Most of China’s coal reserves are found in Manchuria. Gary Pearse says: April 9.1/18/13 An about face by China on solar power | Watts Up With That? job. early 1970s. It can take long time for completion but we are patient as our political system is not based on short term showbussiness. cgh says: April 9. China use ‘demand based production’ to develop it’s infrastructure. Right now. natural uranium fueled reactors. what are we talking about? I know billlions and billions but how much in a given year. Oh & when they come to flex their big muscles in our vicinity. The same situation prevails in India. nearly all of these reactors are pressure vessel types. it will consolidate our peoples against the ennemy & effectively make inexistent any possible dissention… cafeproz says: April 8. 2012 at 7:45 am I have been saying for a few years that pragmatic China and India will finally lead us out of the wilderness created by our tolerance of the renewable idiocies and the political correctness that underlies it. Expansion of nuclear power at such a rate is not optional for China. By 2050. As long the demand is present it will be mfg. mid and best case scenario we’re facing? I would really want to make sure that the boggeyMan is not ideological on both sides… EO Peter says: April 8. Government planning expects a total of between 50 and 80 reactors in service by 2020. That means they will be doing more with heavy water. of which they already have two. over next 10 years and what is the worst. Transportation infrastructure cannot meet the requirement for southern China if it was forced to rely on coal. The volume of coal required has simply become too large to move over the distance required.com/2012/04/07/an-about-face-by-china-on-solar-power/ 17/21 . China is essentially caught in the same dilemma as was France in the late 1960s. technician & production worker’s job that are created. However. 2012 at 7:46 am Right now. China has indicated strong interest in variable fuel cycles. The objective is to get China ASAP out of “medieval era”. Most of its coal is in Assam in the northeast. The quantity of coal required also prohibits large imports as well due to limited harbour and docking capacity. China expects to have in service approximately 400-500 reactors. But most of India’s rapid economic growth is wattsupwiththat. They even built cities out of nowhere just to keep the wheel turning. The vast majority of China’s reactors are being and will be built in the southern half of the country which is experiencing the most rapid growth. When it come to real “hard” energy production we see that the trend is more in the direction of hydro & nuclear for them. Think of all the engineer.

and can pretty much put a bullet in your head any time they see fit. and everything is owned by the state. It’s not back to the future. @Mike Wryley and Toby. or whatever you want to call them. Any analysis based on traditional left-right Western politics simply fails. its construction only met about six months of China’s electricity demand growth.com/2012/04/07/an-about-face-by-china-on-solar-power/ 18/21 . The Indian rail network is already heavily overloaded and cannot handle any increase in coal shipments. it most closely mirrors the Empire before 1902..) Fact is. I’m open to suggestions. let me know. Communism is a system of economics in which no private property is allowed. I can’t argue with you very hard here. In sum.. whatever China is. the Little Red Book and the various tracts of Marx and Engels have been thoroughly banished to the rubbish bin. As I said before. and then there was that thing down in Waco. it is NOT communism. If you have a better term. It’s build nuclear or do without electricity. which is totally abhorrent to communism. What’s taking its place? A revival of Confucianism. Or fascists. or bureaucrats. Mike Wryley says: April 9. In fact. Actually. greg holmes says: wattsupwiththat. assorted African and Middle-East dictators. China’s political situation fits nothing well with its distinctive mix of private enterprise. 2012 at 1:19 pm cgh. and the disservice they perform on this country. Conservation will do nothing. the state has immense comtrol over most industry. Vast as Three Gorges is. Maybe Sinoprogressive ? cgh says: April 9. All governments use power to seize property in some fashion or other. etc. Franco. That is not what prevails in China today. far more resembles the old Imperial mandarinate. It’s also not unique that the government can execute its citizens for what the government deems undesirable political activity (Pinochet. Communism in theory and practice have always been two differenent animals. China is effectively rationing electricity now in large parts of the country. in a sense it’s forward to the past. Moreover. the way it delegates authority down to provincial and municipal levels. the current Chinese system.1/18/13 An about face by China on solar power | Watts Up With That? taking place elsewhere. 2012 at 3:31 pm Mike. the Asian giants have no choice. and oligarchic rule. as my previous comment about Chinese communists “caring” about their country was supposed to be a sarcastic commentary on our US communists. 2012 at 8:08 pm chg. the Argentine Junta. So the best term for it is simply The Mandarinate. the fact that the government wants your property is not unique to communism. And the abuse of eminent domain. Hydro cannot begin to keep up with demand. It is a massive reversal of Maoism in that the current system actively represses the rise of charismatic leaders. if the gubment wants your property. you get a new postal code. Communism is unique in that it wants ALL property. About the only difference from the old Imperial system is the absence of an emperor. Mike Wryley says: April 9..

they are OUT. They are also burning more than 1/2 of all the long lived radioactive waste. therefore we can’t have coal plants – at least in the industrialized West. and no civilian reactor any where in the world has been the source of a nuclear weapon. their politicians get it wrong.com/2012/04/07/an-about-face-by-china-on-solar-power/ 19/21 .1/18/13 April 10. The subsidies are dying. early 1970s. and only chant the Party line. and we should be doing it now in our 104 specialized LWR incinerators. unlike ours. Fusion plants will be the overhwhelmingly favorite and much much safer. please learn about it. Why do these proponents like Thorium? Because some masked. Most of its coal is in Assam in the northeast. China is essentially caught in the same dilemma as was France in the late 1960s. The quantity of coal required also prohibits large imports as well due to limited harbour and docking capacity.doing the world’s greatest nuclear deproliferation ever seen. So are we to understand that it makes more sense to build nuclear power plants than to increase the capacity of the railroads? ‘Sounds like a bogus argument from here. 2012 at 7:46 am Transportation infrastructure cannot meet the requirement for southern China if it was forced to rely on coal. so they are no safer at all. Unfortunately it can’t happen until the ignorant true beleivers who don’t think. 2012 at 2:30 am An about face by China on solar power | Watts Up With That? You have to give it these chaps. So don’t build nuclear today. 2012 at 12:00 pm China is selling solar panels and windmills to western countries who are subsidising their green nonsense with oodles of taxpayer money. You cannot design and license a Thorium reactor in less than 25 years. The volume of coal required has simply become too large to move over the distance required. anti-nuclear. are all tossed wattsupwiththat. The same situation prevails in India. indeed. where our CO2 is very naughty. in reality by that time. But most of India’s rapid economic growth is taking place elsewhere. but one of the more creative ones to come along. greenie fool has told them they can be safer. right up there with CO2 is bad. A breeder which is dangerous or an accellerator or safer yet a Fusion reactor can consume the other 1/2 of 1% that isi long lived waste too. they have become the world’s bankers. they do not waste cash on nonsense. With no long lived radioactive waste it is easy to store teh remaining degrading fission product fragments that will be safe and below background in two hundred years or so. meanwhile the civilian reactors ahve turned over 10. Stas Peterson says: April 11. Steve P says: April 10. “Actinide Burning” is the technology that eliminates long lived radioactive waste. and more proliferation proof. The Indian rail network is already heavily overloaded and cannot handle any increase in coal shipments. from the day you have a several of Billion dollars and decide to start. so there is no one left to buy these white elephants. the transuranic even numbered isotopes. But the reality is that U233 is also fissionable. The French are already reproocessing waste and eliminating 95% of what the Carterite fools wanted to bury in Yucca Mountain in Death Valley.000 nuclear swords into plowshares. Is it so surprising that China is no longer investing in manufacturing now unsaleable products? I laugh at the Thorium reactor proponents. 2012 at 2:01 pm cgh says: April 9.

A 1. Actually China is adding about 1. and increased coal consumption by industry (strong push to go from residual fuel oil firing to coal firing) accounted for most of the remaining increase in China’s coal demand. That can only come with a change of Administration and adults are put back in charge.” China is *NOT* dropping solar power. China is not shutting down old coal fired power plants because they routinely run into power shortages in the winter (heating demand is more important than A/C demand). 2012 at 12:16 pm Will Smith says: April 12.000 MW of coal fired electric generating capacity every 6 days. 2012 at 9:41 pm Reply to Crispin in Johansburg. 2012 at 9:41 pm Reply to Crispin in Johansburg. Will Smith says: April 12. China is easily the world’s largest market for coal-fired EGU air pollution control equipment. 2012 at 8:17 am Of course China is not dropping one of its valuable exports.com/2012/04/07/an-about-face-by-china-on-solar-power/ 20/21 . 2012 at 8:17 am “A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes.cn/china/NPC_CPPCC_2012/2012-03/12/content_24875369. What a surprise to find someone who believes Chinese PR/propaganda! see below.0 million MT/year. increased steel production (China produces 50+% of world steel production). unreliable sources of power than anyone else who has tried them. SLEcoman says: April 11. China is retrofitting air pollution control equipment to existing coal-fired EGUs. http://www. It should be pointed out that China’s 250 million MT increase in coal production in 2011 was LESS than their average increase over the last five years.000 MW of new coal-fired capacity will increase coal demand by ~180 million MT/year.0 billion MT/year for over a decade).china. Actually China is adding about 1.1/18/13 An about face by China on solar power | Watts Up With That? out on their ear. from the post directly above yours… SLEcoman says: April 11.htm What a surprise to find false information on Watts’ website! Steve P says: April 12.000 MW of coal fired electric generating capacity every 6 days wattsupwiththat. but the Chinese can’t make any better use of intermittent.000 MW coal fired electric generating unit (EGU) consumes about 3. Last year China increased its coal production by ~250 million MT plus also slightly increased its net coal imports (to put this growth in perspective US coal production has been flat at ~1. nor undermining the flawed green rationale for using them. Besides increased coal demand for power generation.org. so 60.

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