Los Angeles Department of Water and Power DS 104 Task Force Meeting Meeting Summary Tuesday, October 30, 2012

Palisades Lutheran Church 15905 Sunset Boulevard Los Angeles, CA 90272
Task Force Members: Present: Christine Abraham Jeff Beall Joyce Brunelle Kelly Comras Gil Dembo Christy Dennis Peter Duke Paul Glasgall Amy Kalp Joyce Wong Kup Jim Rea Danielle Samulon Haldis Toppel Hank Wright Marc Zussman Absent: None

Project Team: Mike Mercado (Environmental Project Manager, LADWP) Chuck Holloway (Manger of Environmental Assessment, LADWP) Eric Hartman (Power System Engineering Division, Manager of Major Projects, LADWP) James Chestnut (Engineering Geologist Associate, Geology and Soils Group, Power System Engineering Division, LADWP) Victoria Cross (Government and Neighborhood Relations Liaison, LADWP) Norman Kulla (Northern District Director and Senior Counsel, Office of Councilman Bill Rosendahl) Bill Piazza (Environmental Assessment Coordinator, LAUSD) Jeannie Kamm (Deputy of School & Community Affairs, LAUSD) Nancy Graham (Task Force Facilitator, AECOM) Ana Nolan (Community Outreach Specialist, AECOM) Other attendees: Andrew DeBlock (Senior Field Representative, Assemblymember Betsy Butler, 53rd District)

Proceedings: 1. Opening discussion The suggestion of a new site (at the foot of Bienveneda canyon) was considered for inclusion, but was discarded after the site was discussed in further detail, siting that it is dangerous and replete with liability issues. Norman Kulla, with Councilman Bill Rosendahl’s office, informed the group that the location was a former haul site with many geological issues. The City of Los Angeles, Bureau of Sanitation, completed a sewer project on the site and it has been the subject of disputes between the owner and the surrounding property owners ever since. The location of many slope failures, the area is also home to a riparian habitat that flows continuously down the center of the site. It has been for sale for many years. Due to the recent public consternation about the task force and site selection, it was suggested that LADWP become more responsive to the community, however, it was mentioned that LADWP has been consistently posting Task Force meeting summaries and presentations to the dedicated DS 104 website. It was suggested that the LADWP work with the local press because it appears that people are not reading the information posted to the website. This was followed by a discussion about the Task Force and the process. The Task Force was reminded that each member was selected to incorporate a variety of backgrounds representing a true cross-section of Pacific Palisades community. LADWP is giving the group as much information as they have on each site so that the Task Force has the ability to make the most informed decision. Sites that are ultimately placed in the top tier (no tiering has taken place to date) will require further research and investigation into potential geological and environmental issues, which will take months. If LADWP finds serious issues with a site, it will need to be removed as an option. It was agreed that, once sites are placed into tiers, all three tiers will be presented at the community meeting so that the public may see all of the sites that have been examined by the Task Force. The goal is to focus on the 3-4 sites which will ultimately fall into Tier 1 as it is harder to have a focused meeting around 15-16 sites. The purpose of the workshop is to hear from the community about what the Task Force has been working on and create a venue to better understand how people feel about the choices that are on the table. LADWP is looking for a site agreed upon by their staff and the community. Some Task Force members added that if, in the end, the community does not agree on any of the 3-4 sites that the Task Force has chosen then their work has been for naught. The Department of Water and Power Board of Commissioners will make the final site decision and will take into consideration the dedicated effort by the Task Force and LADWP staff. It is the intention of LADWP staff to begin the California Environmental Quality Act (CEQA) process with 3-4 possible sites so that they can begin analyzing the engineering of those sites. The CEQA process also has a public outreach component which will provide the community with more opportunities to give input. Given recent weather events on the East Coast, questions were raised about safety, specifically explosions and fires, within distributing stations. Eric Hartman stated that, to his knowledge, LADWP has never experienced an explosion in a sub-station. There have been small fires on occasion. A cable in DS 29 once over-heated and smoke was emitted, however, there was not a resulting fire.

2. Geologic Overview of the Pacific Palisades Area by Jim Chestnut The presentation given was in order to provide basic concepts that would be helpful for Task Force members to apply to the site selection process. Jim reviewed geologic conditions which should be considered. These include existing conditions (such as landslides, faulting, weak bedding, and steep slopes) and potential conditions (such as landslides from seismic shaking, liquefaction, and faulting). Jim also talked about geologic materials and reviewed a seismic hazard map of the area. He focused on the Alquist-Priolo active fault map and reviewed construction mitigation techniques for various conditions. Questions were raised about the construction standards for distributing stations and the effect of earthquakes on these facilities. Distributing stations are built to meet LADWP standards, as well as state building and construction standards. LADWP considers distributing stations essential facilities (in the same category as schools and hospitals), and therefore require the highest safety standards. Vendors for the internal equipment are required to conduct shake-table tests to confirm that the equipment can tolerate a maximum amount of shaking. Distributing stations are built to sustain an approximate 7.8 magnitude earthquake and LADWP has certain engineering mitigation measures that they can build in order to mitigate geological issues. For reference, no fire occurred at Rinaldi Switching Station resulting from the Northridge earthquake. This station was at the epicenter of the 1994 earthquake. Within the information distributed at the last Task Force meeting (October 17, 2012), the Alquist-Priolo fault line was mentioned about only one site, Site 4. This is due to the fact that there has been much more investigation completed on Site 4 by potential developers, and the information that is presented in these meetings is based upon what is available by records searches. Therefore, more information exists about this site than about the other sites (3, 9, and 10) that were discussed in detail at the prior meeting. That said, the current reports for Site 4 are vague, stating only a potential for a fault line, and further geologic analysis would have to be completed by LADWP to make a conclusive determination. There were questions raised regarding the future tiering system and concern that proper geology reports could not be performed on every site. LADWP is giving the Task Force all of the information it can on each site and will do everything possible, within the timeframe of the Task Force, to determine issues related to sites. If LADWP says that there are potential challenges to a site, then the group should factor that into the tiering process. This includes issues such as the past denials from California State Parks when LADWP has attempted to purchase Site 9B. Marc Zussman gave the group information about Site 4, obtained after he called the broker for more information. A discussion ensued about Task Force members reaching out to brokers or property owners. Several Task Force members believe that it is their responsibility to do their homework and obtain as much information about the sites as possible. Gil Denbo asked LADWP staff how they felt about Task Force members reaching out to property owners on behalf of the Department and whether or not this could contaminate future negotiations. Eric Hartman stated that it was fine for Task Force members to walk sites and get information for themselves, but not on behalf of LADWP. The Department has real estate specialists that LADWP staff must coordinate with when they want more information on a particular property. Eric is happy to have the Department’s Real Estate Specialists make any inquiries on behalf of the Task Force or a Task Force member. The group concluded that inquiries should be made by task force members, only when acting as an individual. No reference or connection to LADWP activities should be made. 3. Electromagnetic Field (EMF) presentation by Chuck Holloway Chuck Holloway presented basic information about EMF including sources, terms and how EMF relates to distributing stations. Chuck also talked about studies that have been conducted over the years analyzing potential correlations between long-term EMF exposure and disease, explaining that there are

no conclusive determinations. Since the early 1990’s, policies have been put in place and measures have been take and to reduce EMF exposure. These measures include no- and low-cost measures, continued research, education programs, stakeholder involvements, and field management policy guidelines. Bill Piazza added that LAUSD has its own policies on EMF and radio fields and stated that LADWP has been very good when it comes to wire-placement around schools. Although there are many activists that talk about “acceptable levels” of EMF and have specific numbers, LAUSD does not. The District has conducted their own studies and benchmark their acceptable levels of exposure on typical background and ambient EMF levels found within a “wired classroom” or other rooms with typical electrical usages. It was asked whether or not LAUSD has a policy on locating schools next to facilities such as distributing stations. Bill explained that it depends on the voltage rating and size of the lines. Setback policies are triggered when a nearby facility measures 50 kV or more. DS 104 is a facility with a maximum of 34.5 kV, a voltage too low to trigger the enforcement of setbacks. However, LAUSD will be looking at potential EMFs associated with the station, as well as the lines coming and going from the station, and will solicit field strengths from LADWP. Inquiries were made regarding the distance between DS 66 and the Brentwood School. Bill said that the school is approximately 200-300 feet away from the station. The playground is estimated to be about 200 feet away. Others thought it was closer than that and it was suggested that the distance be measured. Bill confirmed that the substation was built prior to the construction of the school and that there have never been any inquiries or studies conducted as a result of a cancer cluster concern. Chuck identified that EMF levels just outside of the station have been measured at 3 mG, which is considered ambient. Great concerns were expressed by some Task Force members over EMF exposure and it is suggested that each member use their own discretion on how EMF should influence their decisionmaking. 4. Closing Information on the next four sites investigated (5, 13, 14, and 15), which was not presented at this meeting, will be reviewed at the following Task Force meeting, scheduled for Wednesday, November 14, 2012.

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