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Mastering the 7 Areas of Life
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Melanie Gabriel & Beryl Thomas
[Episode 24] The Eat, Art and Travel Team
The Eat_ Art and Travel Team [Episode 24] Wired For Success TV [0:00:12] Beryl: Hello and welcome to another episode of http://www.wiredforsuccess.tv. I am Beryl Thomas and with me is my cohost, Melanie Gabriel. Say hi, Mel. Melanie: Hi everyone. Beryl: So Melissa Rachel Black and Hannah Rowbotham are our team captains today, not that we’ve turned into a quiz show. But this is how they describe themselves as they eat and art their way around Asia, Australia, New Zealand, and the US. These feisty young women were not looking for traditional tourist adventure. No, they set off with a very definite purpose in mind. It’s become an epic odyssey to find, unite, and expose the world’s great upcoming chefs, artists, entrepreneurs, and other creative minds and bring the fruits of their labor into your home. In each city they visited, they sought out and interviewed creatives with the ultimate goal of publishing a print book called The EAT Team showcasing awesome people living out their passions and doing things most people only dream of. The EAT part stands for Eat, Art, Travel. They pass stories of good people with their favorite recipes. In essence, it’s a creative cookbook. But beyond that, it’s an inspirational narrative adventure, chunk full of the very best recipes, fresh graphics, travel wisdom, stories, and how-to’s on designing your dream lifestyle. So ladies, welcome to Wired for Success. Melissa: Hi. Hannah: Hi. Beryl: Very nice to have you aboard. So please share with us ladies, first of all, how did you meet? We’ve got one Brit and we’ve got one American. How did you meet?
Hannah: We meet in Leeds when Melissa studied abroad at the university I was attending at the time. And we met, was it four years ago? Melissa: Four or five. Hannah: Four, five, yeah. And we’ve kept in touch since then. We visited each other in the places that we’ve lived and we kind of found the trick from that really. Beryl: So, whose idea was it that you would spend your time eating and looking at art? Melissa: It was a pretty collaborative effort. It happened pretty organically. Hannah, the first spark of everything was Hannah had to go to a wedding in Australia and I said, “OK. I’ll come with you and we can travel.” And it kind of bounced back and forth. “Well, if we’re going to Australia, maybe we should go to Asia. Oh, if we’re going to Asia, can we go to New Zealand? OK. This is going to be a really long trip now. We should do something a little bit extra. Oh, what would our dream project be if we did a project? Can it be about food? Can it be about art?” And that’s basically how it was born. So yeah, it was basically our two favorite interests rolled into one. Hannah: I think the majority of our time and friendship has been spent talking about food or eating. Melissa: Yeah. Hannah: So it seemed natural to do the project or based the project around food and then the creativity that we both obviously wondered over at university. Melissa: And we didn’t – we wanted to be able to use our unique talents as well during the trip and not get rusty and meet other people who have the same interests and just kind of create a community around that. Beryl: And clearly, you did. You found plenty of people along the way who also love the idea of food and art. How did you – so you’d go to a city and then what happened next? How did you actually integrate yourself and find these people?
Hannah: So sometimes it would be research before we arrive but most of the time, it was just an organic journey into maybe we were staying with someone, they knew a chef, maybe they knew an artist or an interesting business startup. It just really depended on the place and who we met there. So it was a very organic process of finding the people that we did. Melissa: I mean if we were in a place for only a couple of days, we had to research ahead of time and like for example in Byron Bay in Australia. They had their own Facebook page for the city and that Facebook page like a million other Facebook pages and I just kind of went through and clicked which ones sounded interesting. And we found one of our favorite interviews that way called MamaBake, which is a community of mothers who get together and do big batch cooking. But I mean in other times, if we were staying in a place longer, we would just walk around and see, “That looks interesting. We need to get in touch with them.” So it’s a variety of ways. But unless we meet them in person, then a phone call is always number one and second, an email. Beryl: And did you find that some people introduced you to the next lots of people? Was it that kind of process too? Hannah: Yeah, a lot of the time. Yeah. In each place, there is a definite feeling of a creative community. So more often than not, people would know of other business startups or other creatives that they wanted us to meet. And it was really exciting to meet the people they were excited about. Melissa: Yeah. I think each place is linked to the next one because we say, “Oh, we’re going here next.” And they say, “Well, you’ve got to meet so and so.” So it’s really – it’s definitely weaved together. Melanie: Carry on, Beryl. Beryl: I was going to say, did – sorry. You’re going to say something, Melanie there? Sorry. Melanie: No, you carry on.
Beryl: And did you – was your schedule decided by things like that? By people saying, “You should go here next.” Did you have to take diversions because you thought, “We just can’t miss this opportunity. We need to go via so and so.” Melissa: Yeah. I mean our plans other than country were pretty loose. So once we landed in a place like we – before we set off initially, we tried to do research. We tried a lot. I downloaded all the Wikipedia articles for different countries and cities and it’s just a lot of kind of mind-boggling information when you don’t actually – when you’re not actually there. And it kind of just stresses you out more than actually preparing you so the most – I think from the places that we just landed with no itinerary that has been the most fun. Hannah: Yeah. We just kind of let it happen, in most of the places anyway. But as Mel said, when we landed, we would maybe see what happen from the first city we visited, see what people would recommend to do and just talked to people. We’ve never really relied on a guidebook. We’ve always just done what we felt would be best for our trip rather than going off the back of someone else’s experiences. We’ve always just kind of done our own thing which has worked out really well for us. Melissa: Yeah. Melanie: So I’m wondering. What come first? Would you seek out the creative and then the food element would emerge around that or would it be the other way around? I mean how does it actually work? Melissa: Well, I guess every place was different because some cities like I don’t know, like Malacca in Malaysia was totally an artist’s city. And then other places, you couldn’t find a single artist that wasn’t just a commercial thing that you could find anywhere. So some cities just landed themselves perfectly to be like foodie town like San Francisco and some were both like San Francisco. But yeah, when we were in – on an island in Thailand, it was like we were really trying hard to find artist. But if there are none, you can’t really make it happen. So you kind of just go with what’s there. So … Hannah: And there actually, we ended up meeting a really interesting tattoo artist.
Melissa: Yeah. Hannah: So it was just about seeing what was in the area and seeing what was particular to that place. Melissa: Yeah, because maybe we thought we’d find a painter but really, it was a tattoo artist, which is just as cool. But it’s always like you have a box that you think that everything is going to fit in and then once you get to the place, you realized there is no box. Melanie: So in this instance then, you found a tattoo artist, you what? Interviewed him in terms of his creativity and his art? Hannah: Yeah. Melanie: Yeah. And – sorry, go on. Hannah: He specialized in bamboo tattoo in which we’ve never heard of. So that was a really interesting kind of turn of events that we would come across this tattoo artist having wanting to find kind of a painter or whatever. It was incredible to not really have the plan. So to meet this person and then meet a skill that was very kind of – to me anyway, it was a rare talent and to watch that being done was amazing. So … Melissa: Yeah. Melanie: Done with bamboo? Hannah: Yeah. Melissa: It was a traditional tattoo and a bamboo tattoo, didn’t we? Hannah: Yeah, we did. Yeah. Melanie: Right. And so, how did that then naturally link to the food element? Hannah: I think it would depend on the person. Sometimes, the recipe that they just love to cook at home is sometimes something that gets them
through their day at work and from their culture, and their family home. It’s anything that they want to include really. Melissa: So basically, we just – we talked to – I mean we just asked them like about their food habit and stuff like that. Like for example, the tattoo artist was just telling us all about spices. And so, maybe he didn’t – like him in particular, he didn’t give us a particular recipe but we – based on what he told us, we learned a lot more about chili so we’re going to be including that tidbit in the section that’s dedicated to food. Melanie: Oh, excellent. So it doesn’t have to be a complete recipe. It could be just knowledge about items, food items you could use to enhance what you’re doing. Hannah: Yeah. Melanie: A recipe, yeah. Melissa: I mean initially, we wanted it to be that rigid that everyone would provide one single recipe. But in the end, it didn’t fit in the box. So, we made it up as we went. Melanie: So what are some other exciting people, creatives that you’ve stumbled on or maybe exciting recipes in the most unexpected ways? Hannah: So, one of the very early ones was we’ve used Couchsurfing a lot. And so, we would – we arrived off the night train in Chiang Mai, Thailand and the person that we were Couchsurfing with picked us up and it turned out he owned some jungle bungalows. And so, the very same day, he invited us to Couchsurf in the jungle which was totally unexpected and he turned out to be a chef. Melanie: Oh? Hannah: Within, I don’t know, what was it? Five hours of arriving in Chiang Mai, having come from the hustle and bustle of Bangkok, we were in the middle of the jungle pounding spices [indiscernible] [0:12:28] on a bamboo platform in the middle of nowhere just hearing elephants and insects and it was – so that was definitely one of the most unexpected
ways to learn about food and to be somewhere surrounded by a foreign environment. I mean, we learned a lot from him, I’d say. That was … Melissa: Yeah. That was awesome because it was like a big open air kitchen in the middle of the jungle just made of bamboo and it was not only us staying there but other guests. Everyone was sitting cross-legged on this bamboo thing and here is Samar [Phonetic] [0:13:05], the guy who we’re Couchsurfing with is screaming at us, “Chop this. Chop that. Throw this in here. OK. Now, you do this.” Melanie: In English? Melissa: But in the end we made like three or four dishes every night and everyone sits in a giant circle and just shares this really spicy, delicious food. Beryl: Wow. Melanie: So I take it, you’re going to have lots of lovely photographs in the book of this environment because it sounds really lovely. Melissa: Yeah. Hannah: Yeah. That was definitely one of our favorite places. Melissa: Yeah. Beryl: Were you ever fed anything that you would have preferred not to have eaten? Hannah: We aren’t fuzzy at all. We eat anything. Melissa: Except for cilantro. Hannah: Yeah, we don’t like coriander at all. Melanie: No? Hannah: No, which we found OK but in Thailand, we have to learn the phrase for “no coriander”.
Melissa: Yeah, “mimi phakchi” it means, “no cilantro.” But it’s funny – I mean I think both of us are not – it’s more than like a dislike but some people are allergic to it or it taste like soap for like half the population or something. And that’s the only thing that neither of will not eat and we just happen to both have the same distaste for this. Hannah: Yeah. I’d say, probably the weirdest and most disgusting thing we’d eaten apart from accidental coriander was the bamboo worm. Melissa: Yeah. Melanie: What was that? I missed. What was it you ate accidentally? Hannah: It was just a grub like a bamboo worm. Melanie: Oh, right. Melissa: A fried worm. Hannah: Yeah. Melissa: But it really – it tasted and looked a little bit like a French fry. It wasn’t that bad. Hannah: No. I think just the thought of it that was disgusting. Melissa: I think like jelly the frog grossed me out a little bit more. Hannah: Oh yeah. Beryl: And because you were Couchsurfing, sometimes you are cooking in people’s home with them? Hannah: Yeah, definitely. We’re going to be including recipes of our own as well that we cooked with people. Melanie: And introduced them too. Hannah: Yeah.
Melanie: OK. So, the stuff like the bamboo worm, that’s not going in the book? Hannah: Oh, it will be. Melanie: But not as a recipe. Melissa: Not a recipe, maybe just a picture. Melanie: OK. Beryl: So, has it fulfilled all your dreams, this visit of yours, this trip? Has it fulfilled all your dreams? Melissa: Now, we’re perfect. Everything is complete. We don’t have to do anything anymore. Hannah: We can just settle down with leather cats. Beryl: Cat time. Hannah: I think it’s definitely inspired us to want to spread the word of the people we’ve met and the places we’ve been and continue. Melissa: Yeah. I think we definitely want to do a volume 2. We’re not sick of each other at all. And it just – we could keep going forever but we know, nope. No, it’s time. Like next week – in less than two weeks, our trip is over. Our trip part 1 is over. And then it’s time to actually collate all the information we have and get this book printed. But yeah, it’s definitely not the end of everything. It’s only kind of the beginning of hopefully like integrating it into the rest of our lives. Beryl: So, will there be a volume 2 of this book or does this give you ideas to do other creative things? Publish something different? Melissa: Yeah. Hannah: Yeah. We definitely want to try and make some kind of website which would aid people who are trying to do or visit the same places and
do the same things. Just, I don’t know. We need to really think about how we can continue having this adventure. But we definitely like there to be more of it and I think that’s a reason why we’re calling it volume 1. Melissa: Yeah. Hannah: So yeah, it would be brilliant to carry this on. Melissa: I think – the original idea was to do this book. And so, we’re going to kind of just see how everyone receives it and if it’s a success by printing standards then we’ll consider making a second one. But the industry of like printed book is totally up in the air right now. So there will be – 99 percent chance, there will be more 18 and whether it’s a print book or this totally interactive application or that kind of thing. I guess the format is to be announced but yeah. Melanie: So, what kind of timeframe have you allowed for this to happen? Hannah: For the design and print of the book? So we are going to collate everything and design for the next two to three months and hopefully, sort out printing of the book by March. Yeah, hopefully that will work out. Melissa: Yeah. Beryl: You’ve also had to be creative around financing all of this, haven’t you? Right from financing your trip right through to how you’re going to finance your book. You’ve had to be creative. Won’t you say a little bit about that? Hannah: So, we both approached the budgeting side of things from different angles really. Mine was to work until I had enough money saved to fulfill everything I wanted to do in the time scale of the trip. And Melissa, you did it a bit differently I think. Melissa: Yeah. I had a full-time job as a graphic designer a couple of years ago. But I really – as much as I like the work, I didn’t like the confines of 9 to 5 and it just really didn’t fit who I am as I kind of want to be making all the decisions by myself. So I quit and I started a couple of small businesses kind of in The 4-Hour Workweek style. So I had already been creating handmade letterpress, greetings cards and I sold those online. And I also
started a downloadable vector illustrations platform for my own illustrations. And so, I had both of these two small passive income streams coming in as well as doing freelance graphic design along the way. So Hannah saved it up before and I kind of did a little before and mostly during and we’ve also done it totally on a budget. I think people assumed we have lots of money and we definitely, definitely don’t. Hannah: That’s one of the questions we get asked the most is how did you afford this? They’re expecting us to say, “Oh, we got inheritance or we sold all our possessions.” And it’s really not like that. I think people see money as a limitation and so long as you’re frugal and you – I mean we haven’t skipped on anything that has less than the experience at all. Melissa: Yeah. But I also think we’re a lot more low-maintenance than many travelers would want to be. Hannah: Yeah, that’s a good one. Melissa: Yeah. Melanie: So, when you say a lot more, what sort of things will you guys be happy to do that most travelers wouldn’t be happy to do? Melissa: This is going to be a big section in the book. We’re going to have every detail, all the tricks and tips. We’ve created an art out of budget but yeah. Hannah: Yeah. I’d say one of the things that we relied on the most in New Zealand, not that it was the most expensive place but we hired a camper van for a long time. And it would just – meals would be very simple. They would often be tinned soup with noodles and just pack outs some of the, I don’t know, to make us a bit fuller. And it’s just, I don’t know, we’ve had to really plan meals. We would buy maybe a chicken and use every single part and the bones, make a broth. It’s just all about being creative with what you have I think and I think for me, we’ve done that quite well and easily. But it hasn’t always been maybe the most ideal situation but you have to have the balance of, I don’t know, we visited a 5-star resort in Pimalai in Ko Lanta and to have that 5-star food
and go into a van in New Zealand, it’s good to have that contrast otherwise we don’t really appreciate. Melissa: And yeah, it’s pretty funny I think based on what you see on the blog and stuff like that. It looks like we’re living a glamorous life. But in reality, we’re eating tinned soup a lot of the time. So yeah, we’ve had a lot of different phases. And I wouldn’t say that we restrict ourselves but we also don’t – we’re not – some travelers go all out. They book really expensive hotels for two days because that’s all that work allows their schedule and they eat out three times a day, very exquisite meals. And that’s just not the way that we travel because we prefer experiences over just fanciness really. Hannah: Yeah. I think a lot of it is comfort. And I think people when they leave home, expect the same comfort as home. But in most places especially Asia, it’s just not possible. You can’t expect the same level of luxury. Melissa: Yeah. Hannah: So to really immerse yourself in a place, you’ve just got to go along with it and live in the drab for a bit and accept that you’re going to get bitten every day. Melissa: I mean we’ve been back – we’ve been in the US for over two months now and every day I still, I just love my long, hot shower and wearing a pretty dress and just no sweating and no bugs and we don’t – it’s the contrast. And like obviously, that’s a special kind of thing that you enjoy but I definitely love being back in the place where I’ve been – I’ve grown up and felt most comfortable. So … Beryl: So it’s made you appreciate it all the more. Melissa: Oh definitely. Hannah: Yeah. Melissa: So I love food.
Melanie: So from what you’re saying, you’ve had to be really flexible be it in terms of how you support yourselves, certainly, in terms of finances. You’ve met so many different cultures, be it people or food or just art in itself. Now, this must have stretched you or grown you in ways you couldn’t have expected. What would you say about that? Or did you notice? It’s so organic. Melissa: Definitely noticeable after eight months. Hannah: One of the biggest lessons we’ve learned throughout the trip is that you can’t do everything. Melissa: Yeah. Hannah: You can’t see everything. And there’s always – you have to save some things for later and you just have to go back. At the start, we wanted to see and – so the original plan was to do all of Southeast Asia and to do Thailand, Laos, Cambodia, Vietnam and we just – we landed in Bangkok and realized the scale of what there was to see and it was just impossible in the time scale to do everything. So we really made the decision. I think it was on a really rickety train on the way back from Kanchanaburi that we just said, “Right. Well, let’s not stress out. Let’s not plan these dates how we intended. We’ll just go along with it. And if that means just seeing Thailand but seeing Thailand properly, then so be it.” So that’s what we did. Melissa: I still don’t feel like we saw it properly. Hannah: Not for the whole time we were there for the length of our visa, what that would allow. And we still didn’t see enough to feel like we saw the real Thailand at all. Melissa: Yeah. I guess that just means like – yeah, people will give us millions of recommendations and it’s like, “Wow! This all sound amazing.” And you start to feel there’s like tension in your chest like, “Oh no, there’s no way I can do that all.” And I guess what we have to look – realize time and time again still to this day is that it’s OK. It doesn’t matter which one we choose. They all pretty much all turned out just fine. And it really doesn’t
matter which decision you make as long as you make one and let some things go. Beryl: So how did it work with decision-making between the two of you? There must have been areas where you had to negotiate? What one wants to do maybe the other didn’t. How did you – how have you grown through all of that because you’re obviously still great mates? Melissa: I think Hannah just doesn’t care a lot of the time. She says, “Whatever you want, Melissa.” And I say, “I don’t know, Hannah.” And then we end up just picking one. We just settle on one because Hannah doesn’t care and sometimes I don’t care and yeah, I don’t know. It’s definitely come down to a coin toss. Beryl: Toss of coin, yeah. So, I know before you said to us, you’ve had to move from being lone ranger to team player with this, ladies. Melissa: Yeah. That was – I guess that’s what what I was going to say to Melanie as well is that I have – for the past couple of years I’ve been doing my entrepreneurship thing and maybe I’ve been hiding behind my desk and trying to be super productive and it gets kind of isolating. And I felt stressed out a lot of the time even though I was doing my own thing because the weight of your own decisions kind of get in your face and stuff like that. But I really – like I’ve always admired Hannah’s very chilled out nature. And so, I was really excited to travel together because I hope that that would rub off on me. Melanie: And has it? Melissa: Yeah. I mean I’m not perfect but I guess I never will be but I mean – I feel a huge difference. I really do. And in the first couple of months, it was really difficult and like I had so much trouble letting go of old Melissa and Hannah really had to like help me do that. And I think it’s definitely been a giant improvement. Hannah said she noticed that as well. Hannah: Yeah, definitely. Melissa: I guess the answer is – I mean everything has always turned out fine like I mean in the past however many years we’ve been alive. Like if we’re fine right now, that means everything turned out OK and hopefully it
will continue to turn out OK. But yeah, I definitely like as long as – I guess for a team, the thing is you always have to say what’s on your mind. You have to first listen to yourself and hear – like OK. Take a quiet moment. Maybe I’ll escape to the bathroom and think, “What do I really want?” Because when you’re surrounded by other people, you don’t always hear that voice. And that was the biggest problem for me. I didn’t know how to hear my own voice around other people. And so, I would just isolate myself. And I really think being on this trip has taught me how to be with other people and to be on a team and to totally use that to our advantage rather than think, “Well, I’m not getting what I want all the time,” because you can accomplish so much more together. I mean it really is like as cheesy as it sounds, it’s way funnier to share something with someone. You get more from it just in a different way than you perhaps … Beryl: Yeah, it’s a bit like this whole traveling with somebody else even I find if I’m at day out on my own and I get a bit lost and I’m not quite sure where I’m going, if I’m with somebody else then we can just laugh about it and it just doesn’t seem nearly as overwhelming as if I’m on my own. So for you two, traveling the world as you have done, you must have occasionally got into some sticky situations that between the two of you, a) you’re more resourceful but b) it’s just not nearly so scary. Melissa: Yeah, definitely. I mean we have – we talked about everything all the time like we’re always communicating. Like I think we’ve got it down to a science now like nothing is offensive. Like we’ll tell each other if something is bothering us like you just say it and – yesterday, I was being a little bit short with people because I’m a little bit stressed out or planning our last New York trip and I’m again feeling that sense of I want to do everything, oh but we can’t. And Hannah said, “Hey, is everything OK?” And I was like, “No, I’m grumpy.” So with that, I took a nap and everything was OK. Hannah: It’s just simply not letting things build up. Melissa: Yeah. Hannah: Because as soon as you keep something from someone, things just build and build and things become more and more frustrating. And
unless you just get that thought out. It’s never going to be as destructive as if you let it accumulate and explode later. So that’s definitely how we’ve been from the start I’d say and that’s why it’s probably work so well. Melissa: I think – I guess another thing that was huge for me to learn on the trip is not only how to be with people, but also how to be actually in the present moment. Like I’d read about that kind of thing before like I’m a huge internet nerd like I’m always on these blogs and all over – I’ve read them all and so I know all the wisdom. I’ve read it all but to know it, to read it and to know it are totally different things. And this project totally helped us like it was a good balance of the nerdy things that I like writing and photography and doing my own thing, processing things behind the desk with no distractions. That’s one part of me that will never go away and I love that. But this project was amazing in another way because it actually forced us to go to new places, in cities that we’ve never been to and like talked to real people. And it’s like a real, real life behind a desk instead of writing about some – about how great your life behind a desk is. We have a real life now. Beryl: And it sounds that there’s a reflective part there as well ladies that actually you had to go to new places inside yourselves as well. Melissa: Definitely. Hannah: Yeah. I think a lot of it for me was learning to just be more spontaneous. I think there was a time that I really remember things changing in New Zealand where we went to a secluded beach, it was beautiful, called Cathedral Cove, is it? And we walked down these steps and we just saw this rainbow at the bottom of this perfect waterfall. And we had nothing with us. We had, I don’t know. We just had what we were wearing maybe and some water and whatever else. And we both just looked at each other and ran to the waterfall and had a jump. We had no towel, no shampoo. You just – these things don’t cross your mind. You just do things. And you get more from it that way. So that’s definitely something I’ve learned to do along the way. Melissa: Yeah. It’s something that we probably wouldn’t have done. You go to the beach at home and it’s like, “Oh, it’s a little chilly today. Maybe I’ll dip my toe in.”
Melanie: So you’ve probably learned to be even more spontaneous. Hannah: Yeah, I think so. Melanie: So, when you look back at your adventures, is there anything you would do differently? Melissa: Chill out sooner. Melanie: Yeah, I expect you lost a lot of opportunities by being so stressed. Melissa: Yeah, definitely. Hannah: I would take more bug spray to Thailand. Melanie: OK. So – go on, Beryl. Beryl: I was just going to ask you about each of you individually what has been your biggest learning from this trip. Hannah: I’d say mine would be how to explore places without expectation. So beforehand, I think if I was going tomorrow I definitely read and I would rely on what I read to shape what I did there. But now, I think I’d be totally comfortable landing somewhere totally unfamiliar and just talking to people, just approaching people no matter if there’s a language barrier. We’ve done that so many times and it’s always worked out for the best that we just rely on people who know the place better than you ever will reading about it I think. So it’s definitely changed the way I will travel in the future. Melanie: It’s a little bit like saying how to live life without expectation. Hannah: Yeah, I guess so. Just let things happen because better things happen that way. And that’s how the whole trip has been. Melanie: Sorry, Melissa. I interrupted you. Melissa: Oh no. I guess my – OK. What was the question again? It was what had been the biggest lesson? I think – I guess it would be a combination of commitment and love like I – it’s such a giant – it’s been
such a giant thing. I mean it’s been our entire lives for eight months. And not every moment of it was perfect and beautiful and stuff like that. Sometimes it was really hot and we didn’t feel like doing anything and you have questions and doubts and all that kind of thing. But I guess one of the biggest lessons was if you decide you’re going to do it, just – and you actually start it then you have to finish it because otherwise you don’t learn the lessons. And new things are not always better. It’s really rewarding I think to stick something out to the highest degree and like push yourself and go past those challenges and work through them instead of giving up and starting something new. Melanie: So what would you say kept you going? Because clearly with anything like this, it has its ups and downs and many people perhaps would give up. So what is it that kept you going in spite of? Is it the fact there were two of you, it helped or just the passion of what you were doing? What would you say? Hannah: Yeah. For me, I think it was definitely having kind of a partner along the way to bounce ideas off to. I mean we haven’t always been in the best of moods around each other I would say. But we just pick each other up when that happens. And it’s funny because when we talked to people about their business adventures or their food or their family or their country, it really makes you excited about the things that you appreciate and talking to them about our project makes us more passionate about it because they got excited and we’re excited for them about their business. So it’s really a cycle and sometimes we’ve been – never doubtful of what we’re doing but we’ve kind of lost maybe our way a little bit. And then as soon as we arrange the next person or we meet the next person in the street and we tell them about it, the momentum just picks up again and it’s a brilliant feeling to be excited again about something that you’re doing and you’ve put so much effort into. Melissa: Yeah. There are those times when it’s like you kind of have to push yourself to keep going. It’s like you’re climbing up the hill and you’re like, “I really don’t want to do this anymore. What am I doing this for?” And then just – the next unexpected thing happened. And literally every time that we met somebody, it just like, I don’t know. It feels like the best feeling in the world. Like it feels like wow. Like life is incredible. Like this person is
amazing. Like what you’re doing is awesome. Like it just – it makes you feel so good to meet people who totally get you and connect with you on different levels. And I would say, I mean it’s a kind of love that you share with that person and maybe it’s not like a romantic love but it is – that’s what it feels like in both cases, just on a different level. It’s like your heart is like – your heart is happy. But to answer your question, what has kept us – what has kept me going, I would definitely say the same thing like Hannah, number one, being there all the time like totally helping me whenever I doubted myself or something like that. I think both of our parents have been super supportive, not monetarily [indiscernible] [0:40:11]. Yeah, I guess it’s the people and the people you’re closest with. What is that quote? “The five people who surround you are what make you,” or something like that. I mean Hannah has been the number one person in my life for the last eight months and I think you really have to surround you – like it’s not a lie. You have to surround yourself with people that you admire because they do rub off on you. And if you – there’s no way you can succeed without those people. And just meeting – now, we’ve met two hundred of those people, it’s made us both feel more than we’ve ever felt before. Melanie: I suspect too, you have to be quite brutal about ditching the ones who are not empowering to you as well. Hannah: We really haven’t had that many experiences that haven’t inspired us or that haven’t affected us in some way. Possibly because of the way we’ve been finding them and researching them. Melissa: I think we get rejected by people who we don’t want to connect with anyway. Hannah: Yeah. If they don’t understand what we’re trying to do, the chances are, we don’t want to – we wouldn’t connect with them with what they’re doing. So I think just the nature of the project and what we’re trying to get across attracts those kinds of people with the same mindset. So we haven’t – I can’t recall any real times that we’ve had problems.
Melissa: No. But I mean obviously, there have been people that we’ve met on the trip that we just chose not to see again. Do you know what I mean? Like if you don’t have a connection with someone and if you don’t have a good first impression, usually you just go with that and you don’t call them back. So you let – it’s not like a hateful thing that we send like an email saying, “We don’t like you. Don’t come back.” Beryl: So ladies, there will be people watching this that will be thinking, “Goodness, maybe I could do this. Maybe I could do this too.” If you had to pick out maybe say three messages for those people, what would they be? Melanie: Words of wisdom. Melissa: You can do it. Hannah: Yeah. Why would we do it? Melissa: Yeah. Hannah: I think the thing that maybe Melissa has struggled with at the beginning was over thinking things whereas I maybe don’t think enough. So I wouldn’t say it in a kind of dumb way, just in a – I really don’t consider all the options enough. Maybe I just go with it. And so, I would say, don’t let yourself think too much. If it’s what you want to do then just make it happen. What’s the worst that could happen? Melissa: Yeah, I think that’s – when people say, “You’ve got to take risks to succeed,” or something like that, when you first read that, you think as in I should go jump off a cliff? No. What they mean is, you know that space when you get excited about an idea and it’s like this dreaming space in you like, “Oh yeah, I could do that. That will be great.” And then it comes time to do it and you’re like, “Oh, I don’t know. Is this something that I want?” Melanie: What if it doesn’t work out? Melissa: Yeah. You jump over that part and just continue. Just hit send like send that text message, send that email, make that phone call. It’s OK. The worst that can happen is no. And that’s OK. You just go back and try again. So OK, what was that tidbit? Just go for it. Just do it.
Hannah: Yeah, just do it. Beryl: So, just got for it. OK. I remember you saying just before, you suggested that people actually listen to their own voice. So that was an interesting thing for you to learn to listen to your own voice. Melissa: Yeah, that was – I mean that was one of the other biggest lessons for me is always thinking about what it is that you – if you have an opinion, if you don’t care, just say, I don’t mind, neither way is fine. But make sure that you really don’t care because if you do care, nobody else is going to know and then you’re going to get your feelings hurt that you didn’t get what you wanted. So really, if you have an opinion, say it. Nobody is going to judge you for it. And if they do, you should let go of that person. Nobody – I guess that is a huge thing because if you’re doing what you want and somebody gets mad at you for that, that’s not something that inhibit – that accelerates growth. You need to have somebody like Hannah that just says, OK and allows you to have those feelings and thoughts and it’s OK to want whatever you want. But ask yourself, what is that? Find that little quite spot wherever it is and think about what it is that you really want and say it. And then see what the other person says and then come to a compromise because if you don’t say what’s on your mind, nobody else will know. So voice it and stick with it. Beryl: So, is there a secret? Melissa: The secret is … Hannah: There’s no secret. Melissa: There was one favorite quote from the trip. We watched Kung Fu Panda one night in the van n New Zealand and the story is – well, I guess we shouldn’t run the movie. One of the quotes from a cook in the movie is, “The secret recipe is there is no secret recipe.” And I think that totally applies to life as well. There is no veil. Famous people are just people. You’re at the same level as other people. There really are no secret recipes. We interviewed a jam producer and we said, “Well, what’s the
secret to why your jam is so successful?” And he said, “There is no secret. We just do it consistently well. If you look up any recipe on the internet, it will be exactly the same as ours.” There is no secret. Beryl: There is no secret. Just do it. Melanie: And is that the message that runs through your book? OK. You’re describing your adventures and you’re sharing these wonderful experiences. But is that the message that runs through your book or is there another message? Hannah: I think that the message that we want to convey the most is the inspirational stories of people doing what they want to do and what they’ve dreamed of doing and making the decision and just going all in on something that maybe is a risk but making sure that it works because they have that passion to do so. That was maybe the aim of finding the people that we did was to expose their business but not only expose what they’re doing, it’s how they’re doing it and how the risk is paying off for them because they’re making it happen. Melissa: I guess to show real examples of people doing things that maybe other people think are incredible but really are just everyday to those people. We want other people to know that they can do it and you can craft your dream project. You can craft your dream trip. You can travel with more meaning than just seeing the sites that are listed on Wikipedia or whatever. Beryl: That certainly comes across very powerfully from you, ladies. Melanie: Absolutely. Beryl: Yes, that there’s more to travel than the beaches for sure. What a wonderful time you must have had. What an excellent – well, clearly … Melanie: Even the ups and downs seem like they were enjoyable. Beryl: Yes. I have to say, you easily could be our daughters of your age and I would be terribly proud of you if you were my daughters. That’s for sure, ladies. So if people want to find you and just say a little bit about your book because it’s a very interesting way you’re financing your book and people might want to be a part of that, ladies.
Melanie: Yeah. Melissa: There’s mom. Beryl: Hi, mom. Melissa: Yeah. Our book is – well, we’re self-publishing it and we’re going to be raising funds and pre-selling copies through the Kickstarter.com website. For people who don’t, it’s a fund – it’s a crowd-funding platform. And basically that means, we set a goal for ourselves, maybe say $10,000 and people can pre-order a book and that way, we’ll know how many to create. And so, you definitely got to check out, got to keep your eye out on our website for when this is up but it should be in the next one to three months. But yeah, if everybody donates – if we reach our goal by – within the 30day period, we get all the money. And if not, we get no money. So basically, the idea is all or nothing which I guess that’s another one of our mantras as well. Hannah: Yeah. Beryl: And how much – I was going to say, how much do people need to donate for each book? Melissa: Well, we have to decide on the price of the printer. We’ve been talking to them but we want to make it affordable but also, an extremely sexy book. So … Beryl: OK. Well, we’ll put all of that information on our site as soon as you give that to us. We’ll put all of that on the site so people can come along and support you with that. Hannah: Thank you. Beryl: So if people want to find you generally and chat with you, where can they make contact with you, ladies?
Melissa: Oh it’s – our website is www.theeatteam.com and that’s our project and I think you have some of my personal links as well to include in the post below for my greeting cards and for my illustrations. Beryl: OK. Hannah: Yeah, you can find all our contact details on the website. And we’d love to hear from anyone. So yeah, I definitely encourage people to get in touch. Melissa: Yeah. If you want to send firstname.lastname@example.org and we’ll both see it. Melanie: And can they find you on Twitter? Melissa: Oh yeah. Melanie: Facebook? Melissa: Yup. Yeah, definitely come and like our Facebook page. Hannah: Yeah. Melissa: Facebook.com/theeatteam. Hannah, what’s your Twitter name? Hannah: Just Hannah Rowbotham, just www.hannahrowbotham. Melanie: OK. Melissa: I’m yeoldegangster. You can find the link just by bouncing around our different websites but we’re on all the social media platforms. Just find and add us on your favorite. So thank you everyone for tuning in to today’s episode of http://www.WiredforSuccess.TV. We would just like to mention before we wrap up that if you’re watching this episode on our site, then please comment in the box below and leave any thoughts and questions there Melissa and Hannah will come along and answer them for you. an email, it’s just
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