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Start time is 1223 hours on September the 9th of 2008. This is Detective Mickey Cohn. I'm here with...
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Could I have you say your name and spell it for me, please? Jacob Shely. J-A-C-O-B S-H-E-L-Y. S-H... ...E-L-Y. Okay. And what's your date of birth, Jacob? And what's your address? x x I don't know, I don't know...we just moved there. Moved? Okay.
Page 2 of 11 Statement: Jacob Shely / Case #08197(c) September 9, 2008
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x x Yeah. And do you know a home phone number there? And what...do you have a cell phone? Uh, yeah. What's that? Alright. This statement is being tape-recorded. Does this meet with your approval? Yes. I am takin' a statement in reference to the events on August the 20th, 2008, that occurred during the PRP football practice. Please describe the events of August the 20th, of 2008, from the beginning to the end of practice. Alright. When practice started, we just, we like, we did this little team where we just run, like individuals...and then we went...and then we went to our coaches, ran and got water, and then we did a little drills with our linebacker coach...did a little couple more drills...got, like another water break like 15 minutes after we got our first one...
Page 3 of 11 Statement: Jacob Shely / Case #08197(c) September 9, 2008
Um-hmm. And then like we would...we did uh, we did, then we just came back and like the linemen, like the whole defense came together, and we just stood like the people wasn't in that sat on the sidelines and they just walked through what to do, like what kind of defense plays to run... Um-hmm... ...and then after that we got like, pro'bly like 20, 15 more minutes after that we got another water break, then we just uh, and then like, when we'd gone back to do team like to scrimmage each other, that's when somethin' happened...I really don't know what happened...then we just started runnin', and then we ran from there to next practice, and then, after we got done runnin', we didn't get no water break when we was runnin', but then after we got done runnin', he said uh, he said break it down and go over there by the little shade tree...and like a couple people ran over there to get water, and he told them, he said, don't get water right now. 'Cause he's tryin' to talk...but he said, y'all can get water after I get done talkin'. So they came back, they was talkin' to him, and he talked to us, and then he just said clear the field, and that we can leave and then we went to go get water and we just left. Okay. And how were water breaks given up? Are they given up as teams or as groups or individuals... Uh, like, it depends like if we are like, you
Page 4 of 11 Statement: Jacob Shely / Case #08197(c) September 9, 2008
know, like linebacker coach, linebacker...like position coaches... Cohn Shely ...Right...
...then your position coach would give us a water break like at, like every ten...ten minutes. But then we get water breaks like as a team, too. Like when we be doin'...right when we first practice, alright, we stretch...and then we go to like your defense over here, offense over there, and they just run plays...and then like five minutes of that, and then we get water. And then we go to individual...individual to get your water break, you know... Um-hmm... ...as times goes, and then when we do teams, Coach Stinson gives us water breaks, like as we scrimmage each other, like after we run like couple, you know, couple plays, a lot of plays...then we get a water break as a team. Okay. But y'all didn't, y'all didn't get to the scrimmage point on this particular practice. Right? Is that when... No. Like we was about to scrimmage and then that's when it got, that's when we had to run. Okay. Did uh, uh...why do you think uh, why did he make y'all start runnin' instead of you all go on to your scrimmage? I think 'cause like, there's like two people on defense already in the huddle...and there's like four people in offense already in the huddle,
Page 5 of 11 Statement: Jacob Shely / Case #08197(c) September 9, 2008
and they were just walkin' everywhere. And that, and that's why he made us run, I'm pretty sure, unless it was somethin' else, but that's what I think, 'cause everybody was walkin'...it was like two people in the huddle, and he done said like come on, y'all get in the huddle and like said like twice or like three, a couple times...and that's when he said everybody get on lines, y'all wanna walk... Cohn Shely Cohn Shely Cohn Shely Cohn Shely Cohn Shely ...Um-hmm... ...then we just run around for the rest of the practice. So ba, it was basically because... ...No hustlin'. ...no, they weren't hustlin' enough so he was a little frustrated... ...Yeah... ...and said, you know, if you're not gonna hustle, then we're gonna run, basically. Yeah. Basically? Okay. How many water breaks did you take on the entire day of August 20th? Uh, at least four or five. Because like when we, in our, uh, 'cause like sometimes we might take more water breaks than the linemen, it just depends on how, you know, when your coaches like, like some coaches might give a water break every ten minutes, then like a lineback
Page 6 of 11 Statement: Jacob Shely / Case #08197(c) September 9, 2008
coach might give every five minutes, so...'cause like we get water breaks like a whole lot. When, when we went to the linebacker, with Coach Houser, 'cause like we do like, we go through the drill like real, real quick and get water, come back, go through another drill real quick, get water, come back, and then so we five, at least we got at least five water breaks the whole practice. Cohn Shely Okay. So every position's kinda different, basically. Yeah, like, like...at least every position, they at least give you three water breaks, but some positions might get more 'cause it just depends on how they do it. Right. Okay. Now after the last water break, what did the practice consist of? What did y'all do after the last water break? that's when we ran. Okay. 'Cause like we was about to go in teams and that's when the last water break. Okay. When you say "ran", what did, what did y'all run? Uh, gassers. Okay. And "gasser" is... Sideline to sideline, to sideline, stuff like from, from here to there to there to there to there and
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Page 7 of 11 Statement: Jacob Shely / Case #08197(c) September 9, 2008
back, that's one. Cohn Okay. How many gassers did...alright now, before I go in to that, there's, when y'all are lined up, there's two groups. Right? Yeah. Uh, uh...like skills people and like fat boys... Okay. That's how they do it. And which group are you in? Uh, the skills people. Okay. And how many sprints or gassers did your group do? Uh, I don't know, I wasn't really countin'. If you can give a guesstimation...that'd be... I'd say at least, it had to at least...10 or 12...around that, 'cause we ran for quite a bit. Okay. How many uh, gassers did you do before you took off your gear? Before we took off our gear? Uh, at least five or six. And how many after taking off your gear? Like five or six. How long do you think...as far as time-period-
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Page 8 of 11 Statement: Jacob Shely / Case #08197(c) September 9, 2008
wise, how, how long do you think you ran the gassers? Shely Cohn Shely Cohn Shely Cohn Shely Cohn Time period? Yeah, like how long of amount of time? I'd say at least uh, half an hour, we ran forever. Okay. Seemed like a long time? Yeah. That's what it seemed like, a long time. Yeah. But y'all don't wear watches so you don't know exactly... Yeah. Did you or any of your teammates ask for water breaks or try to get water during the runner, running of the gassers? No. Did you hear anybody ask for water? Um-umm. Were people talking amongst themselves, man, I'm thirsty, wish we had a water break...something like that...but nobody specifically went to the coaches, anything like that? Yeah, like some of them was like, I'm tired. I wish I had a water break. But not say like, Coach Simpson, can I have a water break.
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Page 9 of 11 Statement: Jacob Shely / Case #08197(c) September 9, 2008
...Um-hmm... But like you could hear 'em like, you know, talkin' to other kids, like, I need some water, stuff like that, but they never said it out loud. Right. Nothin' was specifically brought to the coaches that you heard. Right? Yeah. Did you or any of your teammates become ill during...or sick during the running of the sprints? You mean like throwin' up? Throwin' up, sick, fallin' out, you know, anything? Uh, not me, but like the only person that fell out was Max, and he fell out at the end of it...like when we was done, but Callaway, this one dude...he was uh, he didn't fall out, like, but if you was runnin' real, real hard, Coach Stinson was like, you can go sit down, you done runnin'. Um-hmm. And when Callaway was runnin' hard, and he told him to, you know, come out, and then when he came out, that's when he, 'cause he was havin' trouble breathin' so they went over and helped him. Okay.
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Page 10 of 11 Statement: Jacob Shely / Case #08197(c) September 9, 2008
But he didn't have to keep on runnin' 'cause he was done, he was pullin' 'im out and then that's when "Callaway sounded like he had trouble breathin'. But he never run no more after that, though. Okay. Do you know when that was, the beginning, middle, or end? Like close to the end. Did you see anybody else throw up or... ...No... ...get sick at all? Nobody else, other than him and Max? Yeah. During any of the practices this year, have you personally seen or heard of any teammates being injured or quitting the team? What was it again? During any practices this year, have you personally seen or heard of any of your teammates being injured or quittin' the team during the practices? No. Has anyone influenced you in any way to withhold information or to change any of the facts that actually occurred during the practice? No.
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Any coaches or teachers or principals, or anybody tell you to say anything at all? No. And is this true, this statement and everything you told me today truthful? Yes, sir. Is there anything else that you wanna add to this? Is there anything that you think we should know or anything that you would like to add that we haven't, that we haven't covered? No, no, sir. Alright. This concludes our interview. The time is now 12:34.
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