vardeman, logan ply | American Football | Sports

September 9, 2008

Okay. the start time is 1154 hours. Today's date, September the 9th of 2008. This is Detective Mickey Cohn. And I am here with...

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Go ahead and say your name and spell it for me, please. Logan Vardeman...L-O-G-A-N Victor...A-R-D-E-M-A-N. V, as in

Okay. Uh, and what's your date of birth? What's your address? x x Yes, sir. And what's your phone number, Logan? And do you have a cell number?

Page 2 of 14 Statement: Logan Vardeman / Case #08197(m) September 9, 2008

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Okay. this statement is being tape-recorded. Does this meet with your approval? Yes, sir. I'm taking this statement in reference to the events on August the 20th, of 2008, that occurred during the PRP football practice. Please describe for me the events of August the 20th from the beginning to the end of practice. We went out to practice, I can't exactly tell you what time we went out 'cause it kinda differs...it could be anywhere from 3 to 3:20, or so minutes...we went out, we huddled up, we broke the huddle down, we went and we got in to our lines...our workout...our stretch lines...and we stretch...we took, we did our runs...and uh, we did striders, buck ears and uh, (inaudible) and stuff...worked our legs a little bit...we stretched, and then we went to team take-off's. Uh, I can't tell you exactly how long we do all this, but from team takeoff's, uh, we went over to individual...we usually spend a little while at individuals...I was over with the linebackers...and uh, whenever we got done with the individuals uh, linebackers went over and got a drink. 'Cause all the different individual groups, like offense line, defense line, uh, corner backs, quarterbacks, they're all in different groups ...Um-hmm... ...so we all go get different wa...uh, different water breaks... ...Right...

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...but it's all around the same periods and stuff... ...Um-hmm... ...that way we can all get together uh, for seven on seven, and once we did seven on seven for a little while, after that we got another water break, and then we went...we went to team. ... Okay. Now uh, we were all walkin', the practice was like a, not a, it wasn't really a hyped practice, like nobody was really energized about it...it was just one of those days where it was hot and stuff so everybody was kinda gloomy about... ...Um-hmm... ...man, we gotta go out there and work. Right. So uh, everybody was kinda mopin' off a little bit so uh, coach said if we were gonna walk around, then we'd run. So we ran and uh, once we were runnin', it was uh, I can't tell you what time it was...it was early for runnin'...'cause we usually condition at the end of practice, which we do a couple gassers and we're done. Um-hmm.

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Page 4 of 14 Statement: Logan Vardeman / Case #08197(m) September 9, 2008

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And then uh, we were runnin', and me and my friend, Mark Bowlin, we...me and him got to stop early because we were at, we were out there hustling and when the coaches noticed us hustlin' and then we did eight gassers...full gassers...that uh, I think was eight, somethin' like that, that me and him were runnin' all out, givin' and stuff, givin' it our all. Right. So coach pointed us out, told us we can go sit down. So we were watchin' the other people runnin', talkin' to the people that watch practice. We were uh, over there talkin' to them, watchin' them watchin' people run...and from what I heard, I never heard anybody say anything about water. You can always hear Coach Stinson. Um-hmm. And uh, just whenever he talks, it's like...you know his voice, especially if you're out there on the football field with him. Right. And me and Mark, both of us, whenever we heard about the whole some, they said somethin' on the news about it and stuff, and we heard people around, they were around here and sayin' stuff about it, they didn't give you all water...we were like, man, we got water before we ran. Um-hmm.

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And then I mean, I mean he didn't tell anybody, no, you can't have water, just from what we heard. Right. And that's really it. I mean well, once we got done, he, like we were just finishing up, that's whenever Max dropped. And then me and Mark went out there. Well, it was me, then it was Mark, 'cause it was still, there was more people that had got called out of practice... ...Um-hmm... ...and all that, where they didn't have to, 'cause they were actually hustlin'. That's whenever I, I got out there and I helped Max off. Mark came out there and he helped. And I think it was Charlie Mullen that was with us. And like Max's eyes were swollen back and stuff...we told co...like we were yellin' for coach, we were like, coach, where is coach? And Coach said, that's whenever Coach said, lay him down. Lay him down. Then that's when Coach Steve Degan, our medical coach, came up and like he started like, he was givin' him water...he was tryin' to get him to drink and was, he had ice with him. I think he put it under his arms or somethin'...then that's all, then they told us to clean up the field, we were gonna go ahead and get in the locker room.. Okay. Then we went to the locker-room. Alright. On august the 20th, how many water

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breaks did you take? Vardeman Cohn I couldn't tell you, pro'bly five, five or six. After that last water break that you took, I mean this isn't for the whole day, but after the last water break before you all started doin' the uh, uh...the sprints, or the uh, what do y'all call those, the uh... ...Gassers. ...gassers...before you all started doin' the gassers, that...the water break before you did that what did you do for the rest of the practice? We ran. Okay. Is that the gassers? Yes, sir. Okay. And why...you told me, but just kinda put it, tell me again...why was the team running the sprints with the gassers? Because during practice nobody was really motivated so we were, you know, like everybody was kinda mopin' off. And I won't lie... ...Um-hmm... ...I was one of 'em that was kinda mopin' off, too. So we was, we was over there, like doin' our own things...we were talkin' and stuff...we were just kinda jackin' around. Just 'cause it

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was one of those days where we weren't, we weren't motivated to play. So... Cohn Alright. So was he tryin' to motivate you all to, or discipline you, or how would you describe those...the reasoning why you all were in the sprints? Coach is all about upper and whenever we were kinda walkin' around and stuff, like he taught...he taught us like you ain't always gotta be the full sprint, but whenever we're on the field, he wants us to like bounce around, as he says... ...Um-hmm... ...you gotta be on the bounce, which is kinda keep your hustle up. Right. So he thought maybe you all were sand-baggin' a little bit? Bein' a little lazy? Yes, sir. How many sprints...now when you all line up and you run those, it's, there's two different groups. Right? Yes, sir. There's the skilled players...the little guys and the big guys? Yes, sir. And which group are you in?

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I'm with the skilled players. And how many sprints did your group run? Uh, my...like I said earlier...uh, I didn't run all of 'em with 'em... ...Um-hmm... ...because I got sat out... Right. Uh, I ran about eight. But the, like the people who are sayin' a bunch of different numbers, but there's a difference between a full gasser, and like a, like a half gasser...half gasser is across the field and back... ...Right... ...a full gasser is across the field and back, across the field and back. And then like sideline to side... Right. (Inaudible). But uh, I don't know...people, they ran...I wanna say like...well, they ran eight fulls 'cause I ran eight fulls...they ran that for sure. But they pro'bly, they pro'bly ran two or three more after that... ...Um-hmm... ...and then they were doing half gassers. And then...

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...Okay... ...they did that and people said altogether, like if you counted those as full gassers, it would be 33, so they ran 16 plus...11 or somethin', I, I don't know, like 20, 25 or somethin'... Okay. It's just guesstimation. Yeah . Alright. Uh, and I know you're a little different because you got to sit out on this, but how many sprints...did you take off your gear at all or did you, do you, do you (inaudible)... Yeah. They let, they let us all take off our, they started lettin' us take off our gear before I even got sat out. Okay. So what...how many gassers did you run before you, you were allowed to take your gear off? Uhm, seven... And then uh, after that, after you did that seven, that was at full gear? Yes, sir. And then how did it work after the seven? Then you took your helmet off for a little while and then you took your shoulder pads off. So you got to do one without your helmet?

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Page 10 of 14 Statement: Logan Vardeman / Case #08197(m) September 9, 2008

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Yes, sir. And then you sat out after that? Yes, sir. How long do you think that the, the team was running the gassers? I know again, you got to sit out. But everybody...how long of a time period do you think everybody was running those? Uhm, well, I don't remember who it was but somebody had a cell phone out there that was injured... ...Um-hmm... ...and I remember they said something about it being 5:24 when they were started. Okay. I remember that number. And then uh, we ran until around the end of practice, around 6, so 25 minutes or so. Okay. So six...so started around 5:24 because somebody had a cell...do you remember who that was that had the cell phone? No, sir, I don't. I really don't. Thinkin'... Okay. They started runnin' at 5:24 and then, when was the...did you say you think you stopped?

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Pro'bly around 6 or so. Okay. 'Cause the youth league was comin' up. And their practice starts at I think 6:30. So it would have been 36 minutes, about that? About. Yes, sir. And I, you know, I know you guys don't have watches or anything like that... ...Yeah... ...a lot is just guessin'. But...did you or any of your teammates ask for water breaks or try to get water during the running of the gassers? Uh, I personally didn't and I didn't hear anybody...I can't say that nobody did... ...Um-hmm... ...'cause, I mean, I wasn't out there with everybody...but I... ...I mean there's like a hundred of you all doin' this, right? Yeah. I mean you can't possibly hear... (Inaudible). Everybody.

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But I heard nothin' about water. I hear people say (sneezes) I heard people say they was thirsty and stuff, but I never then everybody gets thirsty. I said I was thirsty. right. Right... ...but they weren't saying to the coach, they were just sayin' it. That's just amongst themselves? Yes, sir. Alright. And you...since, no one said that to a coach, that you could hear, or was denied anything, so far as you know. No, sir. They're just saying this amongst themselves, I'm thirsty. (Inaudible.) Did you or any of your teammates become ill during the running of sprints? I know you didn't, but did you see anybody get ill or anything during sprints? I mean, you all know...like, it's been on the news and stuff...with Calloway. Right. And uh, Max. Those are the only two that I really heard anything about.

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And Max was at the end of, at the end of practice. Right?... ...Yes, sir. He was. Yes, sir. And when did Calloway get uh, when did he get sick? It was towards the end, it was pro'bly five, five minutes before we stopped. Okay. And you didn't see anybody else...did you see anybody throwin' up or anything like that? Hm-umm. No, sir. During any practices this year, have you personally seen or heard of any teammates being injured or quitting a team during a practice? Just that one they said, everybody uh, it was David Englert quit during a practice. This one... right. The one that Matt happened. He's back on now. Um-hmm. Did no one else during any of the other practices, did anything like that happen, anybody quit during the other practices? Uh, not that I can recall...no, I don't believe so. Has anyone influenced you in any way

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withholding information or changing the facts that actually occurred during this practice? Vardeman No, sir. The coach went in and he talked to us, he said all I want y'all to do is tell the truth, he told us that he don't want us to defend anybody, he wants us to tell what actually happened during practice. Okay. And is everything that you've told me in this statement truthful? Yes, sir. Do you have anything that you wish to add to this? I mean anything that we haven't talked about or anything that you think we should know or anything that you just wanna say about this before we conclude? No, sir. You sure? Yes, sir. Alright. That concludes the interview. The time is now 12:07.

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