September 9, 2008

Okay. the start time is 1154 hours. Today's date, September the 9th of 2008. This is
Detective Mickey Cohn. And I am here with...

Cohn Go ahead and say your name and spell it for

me, please.

Vardeman Logan Vardeman...L-O-G-A-N V, as in

Victor...A-R-D-E-M-A-N.

Cohn Okay. Uh, and what's your date of birth?

Vardeman
Cohn What's your address?

Vardeman x

Cohn x

Vardeman Yes, sir.

Cohn And what's your phone number, Logan?

Vardeman
Cohn And do you have a cell number?

Vardeman
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September 9, 2008

Cohn Okay. this statement is being tape-recorded.

Does this meet with your approval?

Vardeman Yes, sir.

Cohn I'm taking this statement in reference to the

events on August the 20th, of 2008, that
occurred during the PRP football practice.
Please describe for me the events of August the
20th from the beginning to the end of practice.

Vardeman We went out to practice, I can't exactly tell you

what time we went out 'cause it kinda
differs...it could be anywhere from 3 to 3:20, or
so minutes...we went out, we huddled up, we
broke the huddle down, we went and we got in
to our lines...our workout...our stretch
lines...and we stretch...we took, we did our
runs...and uh, we did striders, buck ears and
uh, (inaudible) and stuff...worked our legs a
little bit...we stretched, and then we went to
team take-off's. Uh, I can't tell you exactly
how long we do all this, but from team take-
off's, uh, we went over to individual...we
usually spend a little while at individuals...I
was over with the linebackers...and uh,
whenever we got done with the individuals uh,
linebackers went over and got a drink. 'Cause
all the different individual groups, like offense
line, defense line, uh, corner backs,
quarterbacks, they're all in different groups

Cohn ...Um-hmm...

Vardeman ...so we all go get different wa...uh, different

water breaks...

Cohn ...Right...
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Vardeman ...but it's all around the same periods and

stuff...

Cohn ...Um-hmm...

Vardeman ...that way we can all get together uh, for seven
on seven, and once we did seven on seven for a
little while, after that we got another water
break, and then we went...we went to team.

(Phone rings twice). ...

Cohn Okay.

Vardeman Now uh, we were all walkin', the practice was

like a, not a, it wasn't really a hyped practice,
like nobody was really energized about it...it
was just one of those days where it was hot and
stuff so everybody was kinda gloomy about...

Cohn ...Um-hmm...

Vardeman ...man, we gotta go out there and work.

Cohn Right.

Vardeman So uh, everybody was kinda mopin' off a little

bit so uh, coach said if we were gonna walk
around, then we'd run. So we ran and uh, once
we were runnin', it was uh, I can't tell you what
time it was...it was early for runnin'...'cause we
usually condition at the end of practice, which
we do a couple gassers and we're done.

Cohn Um-hmm.
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Vardeman And then uh, we were runnin', and me and my

friend, Mark Bowlin, we...me and him got to
stop early because we were at, we were out
there hustling and when the coaches noticed us
hustlin' and then we did eight gassers...full
gassers...that uh, I think was eight, somethin'
like that, that me and him were runnin' all out,
givin' and stuff, givin' it our all.

Cohn Right.

Vardeman So coach pointed us out, told us we can go sit

down. So we were watchin' the other people
runnin', talkin' to the people that watch
practice. We were uh, over there talkin' to
them, watchin' them watchin' people run...and
from what I heard, I never heard anybody say
anything about water. You can always hear
Coach Stinson.

Cohn Um-hmm.

Vardeman And uh, just whenever he talks, it's like...you

know his voice, especially if you're out there
on the football field with him.

Cohn Right.

Vardeman And me and Mark, both of us, whenever we

heard about the whole some, they said
somethin' on the news about it and stuff, and
we heard people around, they were around here
and sayin' stuff about it, they didn't give you all
water...we were like, man, we got water before
we ran.

Cohn Um-hmm.
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Vardeman And then I mean, I mean he didn't tell anybody,

no, you can't have water, just from what we
heard.

Cohn Right.

Vardeman And that's really it. I mean well, once we got

done, he, like we were just finishing up, that's
whenever Max dropped. And then me and
Mark went out there. Well, it was me, then it
was Mark, 'cause it was still, there was more
people that had got called out of practice...

Cohn ...Um-hmm...

Vardeman ...and all that, where they didn't have to, 'cause
they were actually hustlin'. That's whenever I,
I got out there and I helped Max off. Mark
came out there and he helped. And I think it
was Charlie Mullen that was with us. And like
Max's eyes were swollen back and stuff...we
told co...like we were yellin' for coach, we
were like, coach, where is coach? And Coach
said, that's whenever Coach said, lay him
down. Lay him down. Then that's when
Coach Steve Degan, our medical coach, came
up and like he started like, he was givin' him
water...he was tryin' to get him to drink and
was, he had ice with him. I think he put it
under his arms or somethin'...then that's all,
then they told us to clean up the field, we were
gonna go ahead and get in the locker room..

Cohn Okay.

Vardeman Then we went to the locker-room.

Cohn Alright. On august the 20th, how many water

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breaks did you take?

Vardeman I couldn't tell you, pro'bly five, five or six.

Cohn After that last water break that you took, I

mean this isn't for the whole day, but after the
last water break before you all started doin' the
uh, uh...the sprints, or the uh, what do y'all call
those, the uh...

Vardeman ...Gassers.

Cohn ...gassers...before you all started doin' the

gassers, that...the water break before you did
that what did you do for the rest of the
practice?

Vardeman We ran.

Cohn Okay. Is that the gassers?

Vardeman Yes, sir.

Cohn Okay. And why...you told me, but just kinda

put it, tell me again...why was the team
running the sprints with the gassers?

Vardeman Because during practice nobody was really

motivated so we were, you know, like
everybody was kinda mopin' off. And I won't
lie...

Cohn ...Um-hmm...

Vardeman ...I was one of 'em that was kinda mopin' off,
too. So we was, we was over there, like doin'
our own things...we were talkin' and stuff...we
were just kinda jackin' around. Just 'cause it
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was one of those days where we weren't, we

weren't motivated to play. So...

Cohn Alright. So was he tryin' to motivate you all

to, or discipline you, or how would you
describe those...the reasoning why you all were
in the sprints?

Vardeman Coach is all about upper and whenever we

were kinda walkin' around and stuff, like he
taught...he taught us like you ain't always gotta
be the full sprint, but whenever we're on the
field, he wants us to like bounce around, as he
says...

Cohn ...Um-hmm...

Vardeman ...you gotta be on the bounce, which is kinda

keep your hustle up.

Cohn Right. So he thought maybe you all were

sand-baggin' a little bit? Bein' a little lazy?

Vardeman Yes, sir.

Cohn How many sprints...now when you all line up

and you run those, it's, there's two different
groups. Right?

Vardeman Yes, sir.

Cohn There's the skilled players...the little guys and

the big guys?

Vardeman Yes, sir.

Cohn And which group are you in?

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Vardeman I'm with the skilled players.

Cohn And how many sprints did your group run?

Vardeman Uh, my...like I said earlier...uh, I didn't run all

of 'em with 'em...

Cohn ...Um-hmm...

Vardeman ...because I got sat out...

Cohn Right.

Vardeman Uh, I ran about eight. But the, like the people
who are sayin' a bunch of different numbers,
but there's a difference between a full gasser,
and like a, like a half gasser...half gasser is
across the field and back...

Cohn ...Right...

Vardeman ...a full gasser is across the field and back,

across the field and back. And then like
sideline to side...

Cohn Right.

Vardeman (Inaudible). But uh, I don't know...people, they

ran...I wanna say like...well, they ran eight fulls
'cause I ran eight fulls...they ran that for sure.
But they pro'bly, they pro'bly ran two or three
more after that...

Cohn ...Um-hmm...

Vardeman ...and then they were doing half gassers. And

then...
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Cohn ...Okay...

Vardeman ...they did that and people said altogether, like

if you counted those as full gassers, it would be
33, so they ran 16 plus...11 or somethin', I, I
don't know, like 20, 25 or somethin'...

Cohn Okay. It's just guesstimation.

Vardeman Yeah
.

Cohn Alright. Uh, and I know you're a little different

because you got to sit out on this, but how
many sprints...did you take off your gear at all
or did you, do you, do you (inaudible)...

Vardeman Yeah. They let, they let us all take off our, they
started lettin' us take off our gear before I even
got sat out.

Cohn Okay. So what...how many gassers did you run

before you, you were allowed to take your gear
off?

Vardeman Uhm, seven...

Cohn And then uh, after that, after you did that
seven, that was at full gear?

Vardeman Yes, sir.

Cohn And then how did it work after the seven?

Vardeman Then you took your helmet off for a little while
and then you took your shoulder pads off.

Cohn So you got to do one without your helmet?

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Vardeman Yes, sir.

Cohn And then you sat out after that?

Vardeman Yes, sir.

Cohn How long do you think that the, the team was
running the gassers? I know again, you got to
sit out. But everybody...how long of a time
period do you think everybody was running
those?

Vardeman Uhm, well, I don't remember who it was but

somebody had a cell phone out there that was
injured...

Cohn ...Um-hmm...

Vardeman ...and I remember they said something about it

being 5:24 when they were started.

Cohn Okay.

Vardeman I remember that number. And then uh, we ran

until around the end of practice, around 6, so
25 minutes or so.

Cohn Okay. So six...so started around 5:24 because

somebody had a cell...do you remember who
that was that had the cell phone?

Vardeman No, sir, I don't. I really don't. Thinkin'...

Cohn Okay. They started runnin' at 5:24 and then,

when was the...did you say you think you
stopped?
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Vardeman Pro'bly around 6 or so.

Cohn Okay.

Vardeman 'Cause the youth league was comin' up. And

their practice starts at I think 6:30.

Cohn So it would have been 36 minutes, about that?

Vardeman About. Yes, sir.

Cohn And I, you know, I know you guys don't have

watches or anything like that...

Vardeman ...Yeah...

Cohn ...a lot is just guessin'. But...did you or any of

your teammates ask for water breaks or try to
get water during the running of the gassers?

Vardeman Uh, I personally didn't and I didn't hear

anybody...I can't say that nobody did...

Cohn ...Um-hmm...

Vardeman ...'cause, I mean, I wasn't out there with

everybody...but I...

Cohn ...I mean there's like a hundred of you all doin'

this, right?

Vardeman Yeah.

Cohn I mean you can't possibly hear...

Vardeman (Inaudible).

Cohn Everybody.
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Vardeman But I heard nothin' about water. I hear people

say (sneezes) I heard people say they was
thirsty and stuff, but I never then everybody
gets thirsty. I said I was thirsty.

Cohn right. Right...

Vardeman ...but they weren't saying to the coach, they

were just sayin' it.

Cohn That's just amongst themselves?

Vardeman Yes, sir.

Cohn Alright. And you...since, no one said that to a

coach, that you could hear, or was denied
anything, so far as you know.

Vardeman No, sir.

Cohn They're just saying this amongst themselves,

I'm thirsty.

Vardeman (Inaudible.)

Cohn Did you or any of your teammates become ill

during the running of sprints? I know you
didn't, but did you see anybody get ill or
anything during sprints?

Vardeman I mean, you all know...like, it's been on the

news and stuff...with Calloway.

Cohn Right.

Vardeman And uh, Max. Those are the only two that I
really heard anything about.
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Cohn And Max was at the end of, at the end of

practice. Right?...

Vardeman ...Yes, sir. He was. Yes, sir.

Cohn And when did Calloway get uh, when did he

get sick?

Vardeman It was towards the end, it was pro'bly five, five

minutes before we stopped.

Cohn Okay. And you didn't see anybody else...did

you see anybody throwin' up or anything like
that?

Vardeman Hm-umm. No, sir.

Cohn During any practices this year, have you

personally seen or heard of any teammates
being injured or quitting a team during a
practice?

Vardeman Just that one they said, everybody uh, it was

David Englert quit during a practice.

Cohn This one...

Vardeman right. The one that Matt happened. He's back

on now.

Cohn Um-hmm. Did no one else during any of the

other practices, did anything like that happen,
anybody quit during the other practices?

Vardeman Uh, not that I can recall...no, I don't believe so.

Cohn Has anyone influenced you in any way

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withholding information or changing the facts

that actually occurred during this practice?

Vardeman No, sir. The coach went in and he talked to us,

he said all I want y'all to do is tell the truth, he
told us that he don't want us to defend
anybody, he wants us to tell what actually
happened during practice.

Cohn Okay. And is everything that you've told me in

this statement truthful?

Vardeman Yes, sir.

Cohn Do you have anything that you wish to add to

this? I mean anything that we haven't talked
about or anything that you think we should
know or anything that you just wanna say
about this before we conclude?

Vardeman No, sir.

Cohn You sure?

Vardeman Yes, sir.

Cohn Alright. That concludes the interview. The

time is now 12:07.

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