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[–] Enginerdiest 375 points 2 years ago*

I like to call it the software clover EDIT: Wow, way more interest than I'd anticipated. Several people have suggested cafepress t-shirts, so I'm going to look into it. Stay tuned.... and thanks for all the compliments! WHOA DOUBLE EDIT!: It should be rotated 90 degrees clockwise. (like a clover!) I have no idea why imgur did that.
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Ooh pretty. I want this as a pin or a badge or a tattoo or something.
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really? Thanks! It just popped into my head and jotted it onto a piece of scrap paper I had nearby
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I second the notion. I'm getting a tattoo sunday, I may add this to it :)
permalink parent [–] Scalawag 5 points 2 years ago*

I've always wanted to get this as a tattoo (ignoring the parentheses). edit: parenthetic material, not parentheses.
permalink parent [–] keeperofkeys 2 points 2 years ago

Hmm it doesn't seem very profound - if you add up all the little omegas you get a big omega. Surely anyone could have told you that?
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No, it's actually saying something a lot cooler than that. It's more understandable if you look at the vector field version which says that integrating the curl of a vector field over a surface is equivalent to integrating the vector field on the boundary. There's also the divergence version that says that the total divergence in a volume is equal to the flux at the boundary. Anyway, it basically covers all Calculus and is very important for electromagnetism calculations. I'm not a fan of tattoos, but I think this is a worthy choice.
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It represents the power of generalization to me (and subsumes all of calculus).
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What is it?
permalink parent [–] Scalawag 2 points 2 years ago

It's Stokes' theorem.
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My first thought was definitely of a tattoo when I saw this image. I'm reeeeeally tempted now...
permalink parent [–] judgej2 5 points 2 years ago

Well, get that paper safely stored away in a safe now, oh great one, as it will be priceless one day, just like L. Ron Hubbard's original sketches of a volcano.
permalink parent [–] Kimano 5 points 2 years ago

That is actually a really fucking boss symbol. If I were ever to get a tattoo or something I might consider that.

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. 1. and lime. permalink parent [–] rikAtee 17 points 2 years ago you put the lime in the cocanut and called the doctor woke him up DOCTAH! permalink parent [–] [deleted] 9 points 2 years ago You're such a silly woman. permalink parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] [deleted] 7 points 2 years ago You put the lime in the coconut and something something. load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply) [–] rikAtee 69 points 2 years ago as you ahve made the logo for your super secret organisation. infinity.Zero. Remember: 0. because then there would be two in the organization.. you find out his mailing address.reddit.com/r/programming/comments. two shovels. : programming permalink parent http://www. can I join your super secret organisation? permalink parent [–] redgamut 201 points 2 years ago No. i'll go get some plastic bags. There is no two. then he would have to allow an infinite number of members to join which would defeat the "super secret" declaration of his organization. permalink parent [–] RebelMan 24 points 2 years ago I'm not a doctor. permalink parent [–] [deleted] 2 points 2 years ago 3 of 25 03/27/2013 09:47 PM . one. rope. permalink parent [–] wnoise 42 points 2 years ago But less tasty when mixed with coconut. permalink parent [–] Ubeta 49 points 2 years ago Let's just roll back to 0 then shall we? permalink parent [–] empraptor 30 points 2 years ago okay. And if he let you in. but call me in the morning and let me know how that goes. permalink parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] enoughisenuff 6 points 2 years ago 2 shovels? Not possible. or infinity. permalink parent [–] bobindashadows 24 points 2 years ago Lye would be more effective than lime.

permalink parent [–] OmicronNine 3 points 2 years ago In order for the "super secret" condition to be satisfied. : programming http://www. so two people are most certainly allowed under the limit of "infinity". "that will probably never happen" is good judgment. Three would be a crowd though. int numMembers. permalink parent [–] redgamut 2 points 2 years ago Given your correct on the definition of a super secret organization (that it only takes one person to be in the dark). 4 of 25 03/27/2013 09:47 PM . in fact.342 files if you choose. What are you trying to do with two shovels? permalink parent [–] Mechakoopa 3 points 2 years ago Two shovels one grave.Zero. As long as at least one person is utterly clueless. and therefore all conditions are satisfied. the restriction is on the limits imposed by the underlying system. permalink parent [–] redgamut 4 points 2 years ago* You're forgetting the given condition. permalink parent [–] thetwo2010 21 points 2 years ago No. permalink parent [–] SilasTalbot 2 points 2 years ago No Homers Club permalink parent [–] FunnyMan3595 11 points 2 years ago No. not the actual number. or infinity. The 0/1/∞ figure refers to limits. or 2.com/r/programming/comments. but not good programming. Your guessing that in imposed limit will never be reached. This would mean that the actual limit is infinity-1 which is equal to infinity (infinity is funny like that). but we'll probably never get that many"). or even just make that decision arbitrarily.. if you permit infinity as the limit and assume that an arbitrary limit will never be met (eg. Precisely the opposite. your logic still fails when every person in existence is a member. we can't call the organization super secret after 1. you would never be able to store any! permalink parent [–] judgej2 14 points 2 years ago Nice try. one.506. Being able to store any number of files in a directory doesn't mean you can't store 2. You set a higher limit than should have been set. If you were forced to store an infinite number. Edit: Exactly! Limits. "Oh. 4." which eliminates infinity as a possible limit. Saying.reddit. And since this is under r/programming. it would just mean he can't place a cap on membership . So if you allow a limit of infinity.. That an organization may contain an infinite number of members does not imply that it must contain an infinite number of members. it is still "super secret" from them.he can still have all sorts of bizarre requirements to join.3 million members. then you've failed at error handling and broke the 0/1/infinity rule. There is no two. "super secret. I would suggest that really one would need only one individual to not be in on the secret. 8. you have to assume and account for the largest possible number.

Problem solved. permalink parent load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (8 replies) [–] jldugger 2 points 2 years ago You can always join the splinter terrorist organization.483.147.Zero. or infinity. max int = 2.com/r/programming/comments.390. : programming http://www. permalink parent [–] gigitrix 16 points 2 years ago You need to sell t-shirts dude. can't handle how many people are currently alive.882. Having a requirement to enter can make it super secret without hard-coding a cap in. the zero. permalink parent [–] netcrusher88 2 points 2 years ago ulonglong then permalink parent load more comments (14 replies) [–] spaghettifier 2 points 2 years ago any directory has natural limits to its size based on the hard drive. for (x = 0. int numPeopleInExistence.reddit. x++ ) { if (numMembers < count(numPeopleInExistence)) { //organization is super secret (not really) } else { //numPeopleInExistence == numMembers //You find this unlikely. one.. infinity rule is about artificial limits. just like the number of files that user wants to put on the HDD. cafepress that thing! permalink parent [–] jk3us 3 points 2 years ago I want the bumper sticker. logic) has failed.. Current population is an input variable. permalink parent [–] KaptenKrause 2 points 2 years ago 10 persons could join the organizations.. x < count(numPeopleInExistence). permalink parent [–] [deleted] 2 points 2 years ago You can say that the organization must not include more than 1% of the current population. permalink parent [–] esotericguy 4 points 2 years ago Your int num PeopleInExistence.. So your codex doesn't impose any finite bound on the number of members.298. permalink parent load more comments (6 replies) [–] helm 5 points 2 years ago You can always construct arbitrarily strict rules for membership that doesn't limit it to a finite number.647 is less than 6. There is no two.. 5 of 25 03/27/2013 09:47 PM .. one. but it is possible } } You're missing this else clause and your error handling (err.

but note that Cafepress is kind of a ripoff and if you expect to sell more than a dozen you'll make a hell of a lot money through a different technique. or infinity. "carefully" appears to be immediately above the infinity.com/r/programming/comments. I can make out many of the letters but I cannot form the words.. There is no two. http://imgur. that way all of the numbers can be read correctly. Also. one. permalink parent [–] cybercobra 4 points 2 years ago Reminds me of the Individual Eleven logo from Ghost in the Shell. that would be sideways. permalink parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] riffito 7 points 2 years ago Anyone has some of those movie-style image enhancers? I DEMAND to know what that faint-looking text in the background says!!! :-P Nice logo. The two ts in context are too identical. permalink parent [–] jetpacktuxedo 2 points 2 years ago 6 of 25 03/27/2013 09:47 PM . The word context is underneath the infinity symbol (with the one "flag" pointed in the opposite direction). Also have you considered rotating it so it's vertical? I think it might look better that way :D permalink parent [–] the8thbit 3 points 2 years ago I support the vertical move. permalink parent [–] jetpacktuxedo 7 points 2 years ago This is all I can get. I determined it is most likely handwriting though it appears serifed. it is DEFINITELY not handwritten.. and I think the font used is pretty ornate.com/Azj4L The only word I can read is "context" below the infinity. permalink parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] [deleted] 9 points 2 years ago This is the first time I've ever seen a tattoo that I might get. They seem slightly "german. load more comments (1 reply) [–] ZorbaTHut 10 points 2 years ago Also chiming in for T-shirts. The lines of text do not seem completely straight. I could read one word from all the faint letters. BTW. : programming permalink parent http://www.reddit. but I counld be wrong." This is now a competition. permalink parent [–] Gonzopolis 2 points 2 years ago I can read the word ideologic. permalink parent [–] sophacles 6 points 2 years ago Except the 8. I will agree that it is Germanic. permalink parent [–] CipherSeed 6 points 2 years ago* I was curious how far my photoshop experience could take me.Zero. The lines don't look straight probably because the picture was taken at an angle.

Ideologic. 8 or tipped over flag. or infinity. one. : programming http://www. There is no two.. all three are tipped to the left." permalink [–] manole100 107 points 2 years ago Fry: So. there's an infinite number of parallel universes? Professor: No. one or however damn many I want" permalink [–] ggggbabybabybaby 75 points 2 years ago Zero. I think it is now fair to say that it is NOT German. I suggest you rotate it 90º to the right.Zero. permalink parent [–] Cyphierre 4 points 2 years ago As it is. 7 of 25 03/27/2013 09:47 PM . later proven wrong though. carefully. one or eight.. permalink parent [–] sophacles 3 points 2 years ago It looks like 0. and context. there's no such thing as two. So tip the whole thing to the right and it's good: 0 ∞ 1 permalink parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] Zambini 2 points 2 years ago keep me informed :) permalink parent load more comments (13 replies) [–] mcdonc 40 points 2 years ago I use this colloquially as "zero. just the two. or Fuck You permalink parent [–] humpolec 16 points 2 years ago Zero. Anyone have any other ideas? permalink parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] oaksterdam420 6 points 2 years ago It looks like a guy is looking down at his vasectomy procedure. of course. permalink parent [–] Cyphierre 3 points 2 years ago The software clover looks like zero.com/r/programming/comments.reddit. or File Not Found permalink parent [–] New_Insanity 127 points 2 years ago "-and I think I even saw a two!" "Don't worry Bender. permalink parent [–] Ziggamorph 19 points 2 years ago He was. One. You can't decide to read the one sideways but the infinity not sideways. One.

permalink parent [–] unbibium 27 points 2 years ago You can be Universe 1. there was only two. just the two. It was only after that they started making more boxes.. given that the professor in Universe 1 believed he created Universe A. Upvote zero times. of course. it means "without an arbitrary and/or unchangeable bound". I just love learning and hearing about stuff like this :) Thanks OP. permalink parent [–] jim258kelly 7 points 2 years ago But the possibility for more had always existed. permalink parent [–] salgat 4 points 2 years ago That has absolutely no relevance to this other than both are related to computers. To say that he created the other universes is a bit of a stretch. They visit the edge of the universe. [–] Prezombie 20 points 2 years ago At the time. but to see it put so succinctly. well . I suspect that actually you could change the database field to a bigint or numeric without changing the code very much). : programming permalink parent http://www... there's an infinite number of parallel universes? Professor: No. when Fry wanted to do things from the future. but still a fun one to hear! :) permalink parent [–] New_Insanity 5 points 2 years ago Glad to hear :) permalink parent [–] vanhellion 28 points 2 years ago But what about my Doubletons? permalink load more comments (2 replies) [–] ItsGonnaBeAlright 27 points 2 years ago Hmm. the line: Fry: So. permalink parent [–] Ziggamorph 5 points 2 years ago No. and from there you can see the parallel cowboy universe. permalink parent [–] vtmeta 8 points 2 years ago Your referencing skills are unsurpassed. or infinity.. and we'll be Universe A. good sir. permalink parent 8 of 25 03/27/2013 09:47 PM . permalink [–] hacksoncode 12 points 2 years ago "Infinite" doesn't mean "infinite". comes from I Dated a Robot. one. or infinitely? I've been at this since 1982 and I can't believe I've never run across this terminology.. In practice it comes up all the time. once. It was in The Farnsworth Parabox that the professor proved himself wrong.reddit. There is no two.. hence infinity applies. it's limited by a hardware constraint (if at all.com/r/programming/comments. The number of upvotes isn't limited arbitrarily.Zero.

I'll get back to you.. permalink parent [–] hacksoncode 2 points 2 years ago That's why you make it dynamic (and not fixed to some particular number). Here are my results so far: 0 connections --> Unable to query the database 1 connection --> Worked.. There is no two.. permalink parent [–] mitc0185 8 points 2 years ago Zero One Infinity is also the name of a classic album by the band Barcelona. permalink parent [–] YourAnMoran 2 points 2 years ago* No it isn't. permalink [–] [deleted] 11 points 2 years ago In Popular Culture permalink parent [–] [deleted] 4 points 2 years ago Added. This is my first Wiki contribution ever. permalink parent [–] Thud 2 points 2 years ago OK. or infinity. but it's not a limit what the FS is imposing. : programming [–] fas2 2 points 2 years ago http://www. so I tried implementing a database connection pool using this new philosophy. What you don't do is create your pool by cutting and pasting 10 copies of a chunk of code and spreading them throughout your initialization function. permalink [–] rainabee 8 points 2 years ago Zero.. One. The point is that the designer of the file system is not supposed to set arbitrary limits because it's hardware's own damn business to set the limits. The example in the article is pretty bad as that limit was probably imposed by hardware. I think I did it right. Or at least you code it in such a way that you can configure the number easily if circumstances require.. Studio Hair Gel is a great song.536. Take FAT for example.reddit.wait a minute. 9 of 25 03/27/2013 09:47 PM . creating any entities in the file system fails.com/r/programming/comments. but was slow when multiple users were accessing the system Infinite connections --> My app is still initializing.. When that limit is reached.. permalink [–] buckX 10 points 2 years ago It's also a good set of choices if you're BSing calculus problems.Zero. permalink parent load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply) [–] neofaust 10 points 2 years ago that's the second time today I've heard that . one. it's the HW instead. Infinity or 65. though negative 1 makes its way in pretty often..

usually 32 bits. like how the data is stored in a two-byte number. but there are cases where it's kind of inconvenient to have infinite objects in one place. for extremely large values of 65. permalink parent [–] RedSpikeyThing 10 points 2 years ago 65. just a generalized approach.000 objects. Your code should just be written to handle 10 objects the same way it handles 1. you have to pad it. permalink [–] larholm 7 points 2 years ago Nothing forces you to actually have infinite objects in one place. permalink parent [–] washort 51 points 2 years ago have you ever used a binary tree? :) permalink [–] [deleted] 97 points 2 years ago Zero or one left child. Close enough. where there are never more than 1000 files in any folder. : programming permalink [–] [deleted] 5 points 2 years ago http://www. The actual upper limit naturally depends on your storage. leading to a limit of 65.000 or 100. permalink parent [–] frezik 4 points 2 years ago There are security reasons to put in arbitrary limits. or infinity.536 permalink parent [–] asciipornstar 7 points 2 years ago Creating arbitrary upper bounds is bad practice.com/r/programming/comments. one. There is no two. For instance. This makes it easier to mathematically prove the algorithm's security. Think of AWS' structured directory system. permalink parent [–] Kowzorz 2 points 2 years ago The only thing I can think of that would justify an arbitrary upper limit would be how the data is stored (ie.Zero.536 = ∞. there is no arbitrary upper limit. if you're compressing it to several bits to represent an index instead of larger bits of data) since you can only store x many anyway. too.000 or so files per directory? That kind of limit? permalink parent [–] Kowzorz 6 points 2 years ago Yes. you can configure web servers to put a limit on the size of an uploaded file so that you can't upload a huge file and take up all the hard drive space. zero or one right child. permalink parent [–] dnew 9 points 2 years ago You mean.. Though in this case. If your data doesn't meet at a 32-bit boundary.. permalink parent [–] thedrew 40 points 2 years ago 10 of 25 03/27/2013 09:47 PM . it's usually a configurable option rather than hard coded in the software.reddit. Then there are encryption block ciphers that specify that they only work with a standard size of data at a time. That is.

they just don't necessarily have any conditions about their relationship.. one node (only root). or infinity. permalink parent [–] J3ff0 17 points 2 years ago Yes. permalink parent [–] covidiu 34 points 2 years ago Actually.Zero. One Child Left Behind. So long as there is no restriction on the depth of the tree. permalink parent [–] [deleted] 7 points 2 years ago The point is that with a binary tree you can distinguish between a node having only left child and a node having only right child. or any additional number of children nodes (over multiple levels).com/r/programming/comments. the left and right nodes are defined. Otherwise it wouldn't be a binary tree. permalink parent load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply) [–] AisoRed 3 points 2 years ago 11 of 25 03/27/2013 09:47 PM . a binary search tree is a binary tree with a condition that the left node is always less than the right node (or greater than. so the others can be competent. one. permalink parent [–] Serei 36 points 2 years ago No. Binary trees still define the left node and the right node. they aren't implemented differently.. if you swing that way). You're probably thinking of a binary search tree. No Child Left Behind. I don't think this violates the Zero/One/Infinity rule. : programming http://www. All Children Left Behind. it'd just be a tree limited to two child nodes per node. permalink parent [–] [deleted] 5 points 2 years ago I smirked at the picture in my head of Congress picking one child to be left behind. permalink parent [–] Serei 54 points 2 years ago Yes.reddit. A tree can contain zero nodes (null tree). There is no two. permalink parent [–] [deleted] 6 points 2 years ago You can even go into different forms of B trees that have more than 2 children. a binary tree IS just a tree limited to two child nodes per node. you can have an infinite number of child nodes. permalink parent load more comments (2 replies) [–] [deleted] 17 points 2 years ago Are the left child and right child usually implemented differently? permalink parent [–] mahlzeit 36 points 2 years ago The left child usually hangs a little bit lower. but no.

. Node * right.reddit. or an unlimited number of entries (the recursive elements. an argument could be made here. TIL. permalink parent [–] bonzinip 13 points 2 years ago Every N-ary tree is a binary tree and vice versa. There is no two. they are treated differently . permalink parent load more comments (2 replies) load more comments (9 replies) [–] curien 5 points 2 years ago The aren't implemented differently. }.. 1 (leaf). void * data. each of which represents 0 (null). one as the second. Node * next_sibling. and replaced every reference to the second branch with a reference to the first. Actually this makes sense.if you replaced every reference to the first branch in the code with a reference to the second. : programming http://www. is isomorphic to struct Node { Node * first_child. which is why it is a common fan out. void * data. }. Trees in general can have arbitrary numbers of children per node. one.. You two-partisans and your obsessive love of 'two'. or infinity. 12 of 25 03/27/2013 09:47 PM . But don't you think it's just a tiny bit ironic to use as your counterexample to ZOI a data structure that is intentionally and specifically designed around the principles of zero (empty). permalink parent [–] dsfox 4 points 2 years ago They don't behave. either. permalink parent load more comments (6 replies) [–] hacksoncode 6 points 2 years ago Ok. that's just the minimum number of leaves per node that is capable of resulting in log n performance. permalink parent [–] dsfox 4 points 2 years ago My proof ..Zero.com/r/programming/comments.one is treated as the first. but they behave differently (during traversal). struct Node { Node * left. permalink parent load more comments (2 replies) load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (8 replies) [–] [deleted] 10 points 2 years ago Just a special case of an N-ary tree. you would never notice a difference in operation. or many (tree) elements in the same structure as the parent tree)? There's nothing inherent in tree structures that is limited to 2. one (head).

Almost every bit of memory in the computer is divided up in one way or another into fixed sized chunks. This rule is specifically for entities that are directly exposed to the user. So every node has at most one right child. : programming permalink parent http://www. then you'd name them "left" and "right". permalink parent [–] TheMG 4 points 2 years ago I would say that struct Node { Node* children[2]. not software implementation.reddit.. you could define a node like this: struct Node { Node * left. it doesn't have anything to do with implementation details. and that's the way it should be . permalink parent [–] StackedCrooked 7 points 2 years ago Yes. It is. Programmers deal with limits all the time. permalink parent [–] [deleted] 14 points 2 years ago With binary trees you usually make a difference between 'right' child and 'left' child. Thus the rule holds. you'd be violating the rule and there's a pretty strong argument that this would be a poor coding style. networks split large transfers into packets. File systems store files in small chunks. and again you'd be back to having only 0 or 1 of each of these 13 of 25 03/27/2013 09:47 PM .. a rule in software design.anything else would be too far up the abstraction layer. void * data. or infinity. and if you actually implemented a tree using that data structure and explicitly hard-coded children[0] and children[1] in your traversal functions rather than simply iterating over the array. and is different to a tree which simply happens to have a maximum of two children at each node. b-trees are common. There is no two. but the correct answer is that it's apples and oranges.Zero. now everyone is arguing whether a binary tree fits the rule our not. and at most one left child. and for a good and persistent reason. one. } defines a binary tree. There is no "two" in this definition. as the article says. void* data. the only limit is the speed of the transfer or the size of the disk. but then it's not a binary tree. Node * right. memory is divided up into pages and cached in different sized lines. }. [–] washort 2 points 2 years ago sure. If you're going to do it explicitly. This is as it should be. :) permalink parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] huntersd 8 points 2 years ago OK. What the rule says is that when the user sits down and wants to transfer x mb over the internet or store y many files on a disk. permalink parent [–] hacksoncode 3 points 2 years ago True.com/r/programming/comments.

There is no two. people would be really pissed off and would not use it. for example..) If MySQL had a constraint that a result set had to be less than 1024 (or 65536. : programming elements. (You'd have to rewrite the game. permalink parent [–] walter_heisenberg 3 points 2 years ago I would argue that user interfaces are an obvious counterexample to the 0-1-many rule. permalink parent 14 of 25 03/27/2013 09:47 PM . but I'm wonky enough about theory that I wonder if I could design a scalable Bridge that works with variable suits and ranks.. } The latter formulation requires an explicit termination condition. I never finished a Python Rubik's Cube utility I started on. permalink parent [–] TheMG 2 points 2 years ago I wasn't saying its better. permalink parent [–] walter_heisenberg 4 points 2 years ago Having a . Likewise. (where head.. http://www. or infinity. so naturally I got stuck quickly. I was just giving an example of an implementation of a binary tree with a "two" in it. not all of them.children) Traverse(i). the only time I find myself comfortable with fixed-size arrays is in a limited context where the functionality never needs to be extended.right).. though. permalink parent load more comments (2 replies) [–] unbibium 2 points 2 years ago Perhaps. For example..right field is more readable than having a 2-long array and accessing [0] and [1]. In my experience. one. It's worth considering that the code for the array version is more concise and conceptually simpler from an object oriented perspective (in my opinion. because there's no list of children that can itself contain the notion of "emptyness". it therefore has to be a characteristic of the object itself.left and .children can be empty) as opposed to (one example): Traverse(head) { if (!head) return. People are used to playing bridge with a standard 13x4 deck. consider pseudocode for a tree traversal function that does nothing else: Traverse(head) foreach(i in head. a Bridge hand can be represented with a 13-long array of card options because you know that it will never need more than 13. for the new parameters.Zero. Games are a subcategory of this. I wondered if it could be possible to design a 2d game such that you can make it into a 3d game by changing one value from "2" to "3". and changing the size of the deck would change the game considerably. and this takes hundreds of person-hours of play testing. // which might be null/empty Traverse(head. or 37) records. because I wanted to design it to work not only on different-sized cubes. Traverse(head. returns the top 10 results by default. I don't have a math degree.reddit.left). but on Megaminxes (12-sided puzzles)..com/r/programming/comments. A Google search. anyway).

would know what kind of card they are. two can be as bad as one. Its talking about the type definition. PokerCard.. or infinity. If I were designing a card game. The deck would be configured at implementation to contain 52 Card instances of the specific type. This could then be extended to any kind of card deck from Tarot to ESP flash cards. meaning that it still has an upper bound of infinity. one. Then. For instance. permalink [–] electrodan 26 points 2 years ago You're wrong. the root type of the card deck would be a "Deck" class that didn't know or care which kinds or cards or even how many cards it had.Zero. That's fine. permalink load more comments (6 replies) load more comments (3 replies) load more comments (12 replies) load more comments (4 replies) [–] tscharf 20 points 2 years ago parent One is the loneliest number that I have ever seen.. The cards. Infinity" rule isn't talking about the instances. and each card would be configured to know its own suit and value. permalink parent load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (2 replies) [–] counterfeit_coin 6 points 2 years ago systems of linear equations have exactly one of those three kinds of solutions. It knows how to shuffle its cards. [–] ColdSnickersBar 2 points 2 years ago* The underlying types shouldn't be constrained. Google is likely designed so that the base type that eventually defines how many results show up is agnostic to the number of results -. though.com/r/programming/comments. The important part is that you can make an implementation of "Deck" that is any size. There is no two. permalink parent [–] tscharf 9 points 2 years ago No. It knows how to select a card. The "0. the number of results is defined later in a specific implementation or a specific setting.reddit. or even better. : programming http://www. Its the saddest experience you'll ever know. It's the lonliest number since the number one. 1. It could be infinity. you want to make a "scrollbar" UI control able to be infinitely long. It's cool to have a "poker deck" implementation of the Deck type that takes a deck size in its constructor and is implemented as a 52 card deck. permalink [–] [deleted] 10 points 2 years ago DAE read that in Yoda's voice? permalink [–] TimmyG 2 points 2 years ago 15 of 25 03/27/2013 09:47 PM .it doesn't care. I also disagree when it comes to games. being of a base "Card" class and a specific "PokerCard" class. It just knows it contains cards. and then set its length in its implementation. possibly set by the user at runtime. at runtime.

All collections are infinite by design in nearly every case. permalink parent [–] soberirishman 12 points 2 years ago Until you add hermaphrodites or transgender. 1. or infinity. No because software development dictates this rule therefore your collection of two needs to be treated as if it could be a collection of indeterminate size. Pretty much every development platform works on the null. Adding the same things to the list of 10 will actually slow it down in most situations and be a complete waste of your development time. wouldn't you go for infinite just in case you need it? permalink parent [–] Manitcor 3 points 2 years ago It tends to be worse than that in many languages IMO. This allows for some level of variability without needing a change while still making implementation easy. Nine times out of ten at some point later in the project that collection of only two will end up being a collection of much more simply because the client is short sighted. but those kind of assumptions and potential 16 of 25 03/27/2013 09:47 PM . To post this I came here! permalink parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] Manitcor 4 points 2 years ago I fight clients over this concept constantly.. When they ask for a requirement that needs some kind of collection as opposed to a single entity all sorts of technical needs must be covered as in software development this rule is very true.com/r/programming/comments. The code to manage a list of 10 items is vastly different from that to manage a list designed for 100. permalink [–] bluGill 4 points 2 years ago The biggest issue.000 items.. If the data set grows to a huge size you can always go back and optimize. infinity concept. If you have 2 cases now. but with the logic optimized for 10. but I could give you infinite cases for just 1 dollar more. is the code to deal with one case is simple. real life has limits.reddit. The code to add a second case is almost as complex as the code for infinite case. If I have to get into the weeds with a client over it (rare but it happens) they often assert "well we only need two of these instead of one isn't that easier". permalink parent [–] BraveSirRobin 4 points 2 years ago as your data set gets larger Some datasets inherently don't grow larger or have arbitrary upper limits. one. permalink parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] BraveSirRobin 40 points 2 years ago Surely written by an idealistic graduate. To create and enforce a 2 item collection you are actually writing more code than you would to deal with the collection as a possible infinite set. you're probably safe setting the limit to two. Then what if we encounter aliens some day with their own sexual classifications? Yes. providing an ongoing maintenance cost and additional risk vectors. A list of human sexes will never grow above 10 for example. needlessly over-complicating the code base. The performance will decrease as your data set gets larger but it will still function.Zero. : programming http://www. The latter will need lookup maps etc if you are to pull out items at a performant rate. permalink [–] soberirishman 14 points 2 years ago I would argue that you should implement it in a structure that could hold 100. There is no two.000 items.

S. oversights lead to massive software rewrites at times (I'm looking at you Y2K). one. People forget that this was a legitimate design compromise at the time. or infinity. permalink parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] dnew 6 points 2 years ago I'm looking at you Y2K Yeah.. I wasn't using binary. so why not use that instead? permalink parent [–] BraveSirRobin 12 points 2 years ago Until you add hermaphrodites or transgender. Had the cobol devs used 4-digit numbers they would not have been able to do as much with the limited memory they had. There is no two. just wait until 2038.. I'm positive there are only three possible options for that field. I just know there are people that will read this and write it off as stupid and continue on making the same mistakes and eventually somebody will have to go behind them and clean up the mess because they lacked foresight.it's all based on a fifty year old system that has the options hard-coded with tubes" 17 of 25 03/27/2013 09:47 PM . permalink parent [–] Gimli_The_Dwarf 66 points 2 years ago How long have you been a software developer? I'm guessing around 3-4 years? Because if you'd been doing this long enough.reddit. :-p I'm looking at you Y2K I've seen both sides of that coin. Over-engineering things is just as bad not doing enough. in most cases there is a way of doing it just as easily without setting a limit. : programming http://www. But one should always hesitate long and hard before doing so. permalink parent load more comments (3 replies) [–] rhedrum 2 points 2 years ago You can store sexes as a binary 0 or 1. being a non-contiguous state it will be a nightmare for online sales portals! permalink parent [–] soberirishman 2 points 2 years ago I think you understand the concept perfectly fine. I wonder how many systems would need to be rewritten if the U. I wonder how many systems would need to be rewritten if the U. you would have been burned often enough by asshole users who insist that "No. No way could there ever be four . I'm already running into 2038 bugs. then that's fine.Zero.S. ever adds a 51st state? Most likely it would be Puerto Rico.. hell I'm guilty of both. permalink parent load more comments (7 replies) [–] airbornelemming 4 points 2 years ago There is a difference between optimizing for a specific range of items and having an arbitrary hard limit. If it's a necessary compromise for performance. ever adds a 51st state? I'm just saying. No one expected the same code to be running 40 years later.com/r/programming/comments.. That's why I said "10". so that is not a good counterexample.

. There is no two.I need a fourth option. wait . infinity with Heisenberg. and it isn't talking about rules made necessary by natural restrictions of the hardware or software and you wouldn't be making your stupid pedantic whiny ass complaints about "but you can never offer infinite options because the server only has a terabyte of hard drive space" Yes. permalink parent load more comments (5 replies) [–] BraveSirRobin 5 points 2 years ago Oh. permalink parent [–] walter_heisenberg 14 points 2 years ago I think "zero. classic exponential situation. permalink parent [–] Gimli_The_Dwarf 17 points 2 years ago nice try.reddit.it means "more than three. permalink parent [–] vtmeta 23 points 2 years ago I like how you turned a complete flame novel into a clear and concise two sentences.. permalink parent 18 of 25 03/27/2013 09:47 PM . </FanService> permalink parent [–] [deleted] 33 points 2 years ago In other words. "Infinite" doesn't really mean "infinite" . The first is obvious and I guess I never picked up on that aspect of the problem. I've been in that situation.we know there are structural limits on memory and frameworks and hard drive space. and we want to be prepared for it to go as high as the user needs". I enjoyed this version much more. I am not getting into a discussion about many vs. many" is a better statement of the principle than "zero. I had to completely redo the in-memory data model of an inherited application to cope with the largest datasets the customer had. Took a 20-minute load time down to about 10 seconds (ya srsly) simply with the use of lookup tables. introduce additional complexities not addressed here. Nonfunctional requirements.you're being paid to sit in the chair and deal with the idea of a number that's both "unbounded" and "limited. infinity". In that respect the linked article is very wrong. this rule applies to functional requirements of software. one. then you can pretty quickly extrapolate that the article is using "infinity" as shorthand for "unbounded value within reasonable limits" And again . I've always had an professional interest in the performance side of things so I automatically considered the scalability side. That way lies madness. BraveSirRobin . one. one." <FanService> Now get out of my face before I get my axe. only to come to you the day after release and say "oh. like performance constraints. : programming http://www. or twenty.Zero.. or eight." Get hit with that a few too many times and you realize that the fucking rule is about fucking arbitrary limits in the handfuls or dozens. permalink parent [–] Gimli_The_Dwarf 7 points 2 years ago If you consider the fact that I'm not aware of a mainstream development language that has a data type which ranges from -∞ to +∞.." And my axe.com/r/programming/comments. "Many" means "we don't know how many there are. or infinity. There are two issues here regarding limits: arbitrary numbers plucked from a hat and scalability issues. Problem was that it was walking the object lists for every insert.

That is not an integer. When dealing with 10-100 items. one. when you get above the slowness threshold represent it the other faster way.it's all based on a fifty year old system that has the options hard-coded with tubes" Reminded me of one of my favorite Feynman moments on generalizing vs. there's no reason why the internal representation can't handle both through the same interface. permalink parent [–] likely-to-reoffend 3 points 2 years ago "No. permalink parent load more comments (2 replies) load more comments (1 reply) [–] ckwop 3 points 2 years ago Well that and the fact that it's a false dichotomy.. or infinity. the specific case. : programming [–] teringlijer 2 points 2 years ago http://www. and a good one. permalink parent [–] MihaiC 22 points 2 years ago 19 of 25 03/27/2013 09:47 PM . One of the most annoying warts on some languages is the fact that an int is 32-bit or 64-bit. permalink parent load more comments (7 replies) [–] mollymoo 11 points 2 years ago It's only a rule of thumb. The runtime can store the small integers as 32-bit words and then convert to a multi-word integer when the integer grows above that size. No way could there ever be four . Memory Performance Code readability Complexity Testing KISS: Keep it simple. I should be able to add until I run out of memory.com/r/programming/comments. However. and one that holds 100. permalink parent [–] BraveSirRobin 20 points 2 years ago You should have a good reason for not allowing arbitrarily large numbers of things. I'm positive there are only three possible options for that field.000 items. permalink parent load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (6 replies) [–] osiris99 10 points 2 years ago nah. And your axe. an idealistic graduate would prefer zero or infinity. In any modern language. represent it one way. it defines a relatively small range of integers and the set of integers is much larger than that. say. You should have a good reason for not allowing arbitrarily large numbers of things. He says that you have a choice between a list that contain 10-100 items. the int type should be +infinity to -infinity. stupid. also don't get me started with the single parent rule in directory structure.reddit.. There is no two.Zero.

and likewise it is simpler. permalink [–] jimktrains 3 points 2 years ago I always have to defend this. pretending that your limit is infinite make all of the above easier than enforcing an arbitrary limit. reader-writer locks. permalink parent [–] BraveSirRobin 4 points 2 years ago Yes it is. Sure. 10 items belong in an array. Performance is a wash. "We don't need to support many. There is no two. don't spend the time making it handle more than a few" 20 of 25 03/27/2013 09:47 PM . 100. permalink parent load more comments (23 replies) [–] harlows_monkeys 5 points 2 years ago The code to manage a list of 10 items is vastly different from that to manage a list designed for 100. permalink parent load more comments (8 replies) [–] psway 3 points 2 years ago This also works for the maths questions on University Challenge permalink [–] kev009 4 points 2 years ago What about semaphores.. in which case the length of the password does not matter.Zero. That's the whole point.com/r/programming/comments. the same Big-O numbers apply so long as n is the same (if you expect n to be small you can choose a n! algorithm with low constants for n algorithm with big constants). Memory management just as easy. : programming http://www. There are certainly times when you need to put a non-binary restriction on instances of something. permalink parent load more comments (3 replies) [–] bluGill 2 points 2 years ago In general though.000 items belong in a database. permalink parent [–] Tiver 2 points 2 years ago I get particularly worried when a bank reports that. one. in one case you check for max. the code is more readable because there isn't checks for size all over the place.000 items. Testing is easier as well because you don't have to test the max and over max cases.reddit. in the other you check for out of memory. etc. No it isn't. Keyloggers use information entropy (deviations from common key sequences) to detect passwords and long. The above is in general. Building a DB schema for the 10 scenario is a complete waste of development resources. or infinity.. but there is rarely an exception. permalink parent [–] kraemahz 2 points 2 years ago The reason they are requiring short passwords is the most often method a password is stolen is a keylogger. just a few. They of all places should be storing a hash of your password and not the password itself. complicated passwords have very high entropy. but make sure the limits are resource-based and reasonable as in your examples and not arbitrary as in 'your password length can not exceed 8 characters'.

It'd get ridiculous. There are always windows where your army is bigger. permalink parent load more comments (2 replies) [–] doodle77 2 points 2 years ago perhaps. : programming permalink load more comments (1 reply) [–] burnst 3 points 2 years ago http://www.. it's definitely for gameplay reasons (though performance is probably an intended side effect. permalink parent [–] G_Morgan 10 points 2 years ago But I should be able to have 200000 Zerglings! permalink parent [–] malavel 6 points 2 years ago Or could it be for performance reasons? permalink parent [–] Kimano 18 points 2 years ago No. it becomes less about control and more about macroing up until you're way way bigger than the other person. permalink load more comments (3 replies) [–] RedGreendit 3 points 2 years ago "There can be only one!" . permalink parent 21 of 25 03/27/2013 09:47 PM . there's a finite number of resources on the map.Highlander permalink [–] nealio1000 3 points 2 years ago Relax bender. and where investing in economy gives you a temporary disadvantage militarily.Zero. There is no two. and many. you're better off virtually always stacking up military units and just rolling over the other person once you have a huge advantage. permalink parent [–] davvblack 5 points 2 years ago Uh. my point is just that if you can get above max. permalink parent [–] Kimano 2 points 2 years ago Sure. then never stop building your army. permalink [–] doodle77 14 points 2 years ago That's not an engine-defined limitation.. there's no such thing as two permalink [–] foxtrotwhiskey9 9 points 2 years ago Someone tell this to Blizzard. one. no..com/r/programming/comments. I fail to see how this would be a good model to follow for database pool connections. Regardless.reddit. or infinity.. The 200 unit limit in SC2 is a violation. When you get into armies of that huge size. in custom maps you can remove the 200 supply limit. many games end before maxed armies. It exists for gameplay reasons.) Otherwise the ideal strategy would be to race ahead in macro.

EDIT: forgot overlords take zero supply as mentioned below. can I be the TA fanboy that steps in for a second and points out that TA has had a 500-unit limit since at least 1999? (And unofficially a 5000-unit limit?) permalink parent [–] TOAO_Cyrus 7 points 2 years ago actually SC2 has a 200 supply limit and different units take different supply. I think this particular case is somewhat interesting because it was probably initially implemented because of a performance limitation (in Brood War). permalink parent [–] nexes300 2 points 2 years ago Why does it matter? I doubt the limit is enforced in custom game modes. I regret nothing. permalink parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] [deleted] 5 points 2 years ago The 200 unit limit is at least partly tactical. permalink parent load more comments (2 replies) [–] Recoil42 11 points 2 years ago SC2 has a 200 unit limit? Ooh. one. permalink parent [–] doodle77 4 points 2 years ago The limit is 200 supply.com/r/programming/comments. permalink parent [–] [deleted] 4 points 2 years ago Fuck Core. but because it ended up being a significant factor in gameplay it was preserved as such. permalink parent [–] NegativeK 8 points 2 years ago Why shouldn't that be a valid tactic? It would take more game balance.. or infinity. oooh. permalink parent [–] lukeatron 2 points 2 years ago Oh the hours of my life that that game gobbled up. oooh.Zero.reddit. Zerglings take 1/2 supply so the max number of units is actually 400. You can make an infinite number of overlords since they cost no supply. which means you can get 400 zerglings. permalink parent load more comments (3 replies) load more comments (3 replies) [–] [deleted] 3 points 2 years ago This applies more to software principles than gaming principles (the fact games CAN BE software doesn't change this fact) permalink parent 22 of 25 03/27/2013 09:47 PM .. for example. but devising counter strategies to that should be possible. The idea is to prevent just creating huge masses of units and trying to overrun the other side. : programming [–] jeba 2 points 2 years ago http://www. There is no two.

. however links had exactly 2 nodes attached. that's dimension of the screen". topologist replied.Zero.. permalink load more comments (1 reply) [–] Confucius_says 2 points 2 years ago* While the concept sounds good. but they are just variations of this rule. load more comments (3 replies) load more comments (4 replies) [–] barcodez 5 points 2 years ago So that's three options then. (of course there are also times where this "arbitrary" limit is implemented without a need. permalink load more comments (2 replies) 23 of 25 03/27/2013 09:47 PM . during a particular design exercise we found one and one case where exactly 'two' was required. or infinity. I remember the huge discussions before we finally drew the line (ER) and wrote a 2 on it instead of a dash(1). but because each of these 8 children have different behaviours (they specify their spatial position). one. But not because it's an arbitrary restriction. permalink load more comments (1 reply) [–] ac3raven 2 points 2 years ago fascinating concept... Double buffering and duophonic synthesizers are what immediately comes to my mind. From memory.n links attached. it was a complex database which at multiple levels stored nodes and links. In all the thousands of cases I've ever dealt with it was the only exception to 0/1/N rule. permalink load more comments (1 reply) [–] m64 2 points 2 years ago Frequently two also makes sense as a separate case. There are times that "arbitrary" limits are needed. There is no two. permalink [–] ZaphodBB 2 points 2 years ago You can have as many as you have MS licenses for permalink [–] mitsuhiko 2 points 2 years ago There will of course always be exceptions in practice. In practice it does not work well. 1.com/r/programming/comments. permalink [–] doubtingthomas 2 points 2 years ago I usually go with 0. or 9223372036854775807. permalink [–] vombert 2 points 2 years ago "What's this strange '2' constant all over your program?" "Ah. For instance an octree by design always has up to 8 children. Nodes could have 0. permalink [–] [deleted] 2 points 2 years ago* Around 20 years ago. but same idea..reddit. : programming http://www.

You could say 'lets generalize this to this or that'. hey if you can make it work multiple types. and i think i did get close. it is very doable." —Vladimir Nabokov permalink [–] Tron-Gorf 2 points 2 years ago I don't mind hardware limits. you cut a 1 by sqrt(2) rectangle into 2 pieces vertically. (Edit: because it is perfectly reasonable) Really. hey that is how we could do the image processing 'pixel'. hey. I do get that sometimes a few minor issues fixed and it works. permalink [–] Jasper1984 3 points 2 years ago* The idea of generalizing is 1) great. You now have 2 new prisms of the same shape . I actually did try make an n-dimensional one. Why only two dimensions there? Why only 3/4 colors (including alpha) Can't we use relaxation methods and do simulations of fields on that too.. permalink [–] Drooperdoo 2 points 2 years ago "There is only the number one. cuberoot(4). but it probably would take a little more than that in this case.effective. it is a field of values? Oh dear. but make a library of it! permalink [–] arnedh 3 points 2 years ago You know that quadtrees and voxels could be expressed as binary trees. All else is mere repetition. it would in principle not run much slower than a quadtree. I FUCKING KEEL U!! permalink [–] kashyap 3 points 2 years ago Until I was 12.Zero. Btw. PROVIDED the developer handles the situation properly when the constraints of the machine are reached. or infinity.reddit. Even worse when that number is hard-coded and not in an observable config file or table. permalink [–] unionrodent 2 points 2 years ago And this is why there should be no height limit in Minecraft. one.. If you think you can make something very general that is still cpu-time-. (2 1/2 if you add the depth given by stereopsis).but the longest axis oriented in a different direction. There is no two. I become furious when it is some arbitrary number some numbnuts thought should be enough and that normal business would never surpass. Even CL seems to be not completely strong enough in it's handling of types. especially if you specialize a 2-dimensional function for getting 'the index' of a sub-node) Image processing. 2) terrible mission creep.(s-expressions) (Parsing is harder than people admit) Of course. gcc actually does this. because that is the dimensionality of the neuronal array. (Edit: i mean i wrote it. and then you cut these pieces horizontally etc.com/r/programming/comments. 3/4 colours.and use.. because those are the types of receptor cells we have. if they make sense. Things slowing down to an unusable state is not acceptable. but i didn't test it. Then I saw my first. you can go on and on with generalization. Types. why not. Compilers: Why focus on a single language? Unfortunately don't see any easy-to-use parsers that convert the stuff into something more easily used as data. Cut athwart the longest axis.. Stop at the appropriate time. especially since the current languages are wholly inadiquate.. space. : programming [–] xyroclast 2 points 2 years ago http://www. 24 of 25 03/27/2013 09:47 PM . I had never seen a pornographic video on the internet. Two dimensions. maybe we are a bit restricted there with the fixed grid. It's the way things should be. Quadtrees. Then I saw one more. using the A4 principle? Instead of cutting a square into 4. Image: 2 dimensions. Voxels: Start with a prism of dimension 1. neat. cuberoot(2).

and subdive alternately vertically and horizontally. fractals. π 25 of 25 03/27/2013 09:47 PM .. or has nodes representing subtrees . what purpose of quadtrees are you speaking of? I wouldn't know how what you're speaking of is useful for drawing terrains or such. These trees would be good to represent shapes in 2 or 3-d. or infinity. i do know that plain grids can be much better sometimes. All rights reserved.. or completely empty. And i don't think it ratios are relevant at all for 'spatial sort' use. then east/west. [–] Jasper1984 2 points 2 years ago Tbh i don't even understand what you mean exactly. then north/south. I don't even know for sure if quadtrees are good for spatial sort use. The octree example (voxels) would be similar: cut along the longest axis.tv radio reddit Use of this site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement and Privacy Policy. (And there is stuff like z-hashes that don't seem all too effective for stuff like simulations at all) So probably you meant the drawing use? permalink parent [–] arnedh 2 points 2 years ago If you use a quadtree to represent nodes that are either completely full. © 2013 reddit inc. There is no two.reddit.then you could make the boxes A4-shaped. REDDIT and the ALIEN Logo are registered trademarks of reddit inc. first vertically. : programming permalink parent http://www. repeat. Guessing you mean by A4-principle that you can cut it in half with two same-ratio bits. one. permalink parent load more comments (3 replies) load more comments (167 replies) about blog about team source code advertise help wiki FAQ reddiquette rules contact us tools mobile firefox extension chrome extension buttons widget <3 reddit gold store redditgifts reddit. but also blobs of various kinds.Zero.com/r/programming/comments. landscapes.

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