'Verdict with Dan Abrams' Guests: Drew Peterson and Joel Brodsky Thursday, April 24 [Peterson Excerpt] ABRAMS

: Welcome back. Twenty-three-year-old Stacy Peterson was last seen in October of last year. Days later, her husband Drew was named a suspect in her disappearance. Since then, the death of his third wife, Kathleen Savio, was deemed a homicide changing what had been believed to be an accidental death in a bathtub. Many now believe he was responsible for both, but he has not been arrested or charged in either case and maintains his innocence. He says he believes Stacy is still alive and with another man. Drew Peterson and his attorney, Joel Brodsky, join me now. Gentlemen, thank you very much for coming on the program. I appreciate. JOEL BRODSKY, DREW PETERSON‘S ATTORNEY: Thank you. ABRAMS: Let me start by saying I give you both credit for coming on the program to answer some tough questions and I appreciate that. Let me start with you, Mr. Peterson with a fairly easy question which is, why are you so convinced that Stacy is alive? DREW PETERSON, SUSPECT IN THE DISAPPEARANCE OF STACY PETERSON AND THE DEATH OF KATHLEEN SAVIO: Last time I talked to her she told me she was leaving with someone else. ABRAMS: Tell me about that conversation. What did she say? PETERSON: It was a phone call. She said that she found somebody else and she was leaving for a while, she said. ABRAMS: Did you try to convince her not to leave? PETERSON: I much said, you know, “What am I supposed to do with me and the kids and what are we supposed to do now.” And she seemed kind of snotty in the phone conversation, so it was a pretty quick conversation. And then I was abruptly - she terminated it. ABRAMS: When you say “snotty,” what do you mean? PETERSON: For her - I mean normally, she‘s kind of like giddy and up (UNINTELLIGIBLE). Her demeanor during the conversation was kind of snotty for her. ABRAMS: How long did the conversation last? PETERSON: It was - maybe a couple minutes. That‘s it. ABRAMS: And she hung up and that‘s the last time you heard from her?

PETERSON: That‘s it. ABRAMS: Does it surprise you that she hasn‘t contacted her children or any of her friends? PETERSON: Yes, I‘m very surprised over that. Yes. ABRAMS: And what have you done to try to find her? PETERSON: Oh, we have private investigators working right now. And basically, they‘re kind of limited to computer activity, or you know, monitoring charge cards and that type of thing. But I just don‘t have the resources to go traipsing the globe to, you know, find her at the beaches or, you know, other parts of the world where I think she possibly is. ABRAMS: When you say that you don‘t have the resources, et cetera, I mean, this is your life, right? I mean your life has now become the - being the suspect in the case of your missing wife. I think there are a lot of people out there who would say, “My goodness, I would be doing everything I could, not just to clear myself, but also to make sure that she‘s OK. I mean she is the mother of my children.” PETERSON: Right. Well, my primary concern is my children. There‘s four children that are requiring constant care, every day. So I just can‘t abandon them to, you know, go traipsing the globe, looking for her. She could be next door hiding out in Sharon‘s house or she could be on the other side of the world. I don‘t have a clue where she is. ABRAMS: Here is what the Illinois State Police said in a statement. They said, “As stated previously, Stacy Peterson didn‘t voluntarily cease all contact with her children, family and friends. The investigation continues to make progress proving that claim. We are confident the investigation‘s momentum will culminate in an arrest.” Look, you‘re a former cop. You would think that the cops would want to give you the benefit of the doubt, wouldn‘t they? PETERSON: Not particularly. ABRAMS: Why not? PETERSON: I think they‘ve gone out of their way to get me. I think, being a policeman, I think has worked against me. I‘ve gotten no professional courtesy, none whatsoever, and seemed that they‘ve been overly rude to me. BRODSKY: Can I add something to that? ABRAMS: Yes, go ahead, Joel. BRODSKY: You know, what the police believe really doesn‘t concern us. It‘s what the prosecutors and the state‘s attorney believe that really concern us. They‘re the ones that bring charges. They are the ones that go to the grand jury. And so far they have not given any

indication of what their thoughts is. So what the state police say really doesn‘t concern us whatsoever. ABRAMS: All right. Let me - your ex-fiance - you know all this stuff, Drew - your ex-fiance and the sister of your third wife have both made some pretty damning - said some pretty damning things about you. Let‘s listen. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) KYLE PIRY, DREW PETERSON‘S EX-FIANCE: He pushed me over a cocktail table and pinned me to the ground, sort of like a police hold. That‘s what I would call it. (END VIDEO CLIP) ANNA DOMAN, SISTER OF KATHLEEN SAVIO: She told me she‘d never make the end of the divorce, she would never make the property settlement. She knew it, and it‘s a shame. UNIDENTIFIED MALE REPORTER: She knew she was going to be killed? DOMAN: That‘s what she told me. (END VIDEO CLIP) ABRAMS: And then we have your second wife telling the “Chicago Tribune” that she said, “During their marriage, and increasing controlling Peterson told her he could kill her and make it look like an accident.” So you‘ve got your fiance talking about how you threw her around. You‘ve got your second wife talking about the fact that you said you could kill her. You got the sister of the third wife talking about the fact that you were talking about the violence. You got your fourth wife who is missing. Isn‘t it true that you‘re either the unluckiest guy in America or you‘re behind some of this? PETERSON: I‘d say the unluckiest guy in America. Whenever you break up with somebody, you don‘t really leave on a positive note. And statements by an ex-fiance are just totally ludicrous. ABRAMS: But they don‘t usually say that “The guy was trying to kill me.” I mean I‘ve had some bad relationships and no ex-of mine has ever said, “The guy was trying to kill me.” PETERSON: Well, they never said I was trying to kill them either. They‘re just saying what somebody else allegedly said to them. ABRAMS: Your second wife said during their marriage an increasingly controlling person told her he could kill her and make it look like an accident. That‘s according to Vicky Conley. PETERSON: Oh, that never happened. I never made any type of statement like that.

ABRAMS: Let me - again, let me - this is number seven here. This goes again to the notion that everyone else out there is wrong, everyone is either lying or wrong. For example, the pastor, Neil Schori, said as you know, that Stacy Peterson told him that Drew Peterson killed Kathleen Savio. You‘ve got then her step brother, Walter Martineck, told him he helped Peterson move a large blue container that night Stacy Peterson disappeared. A neighbor, saying Peterson and another man loading a container into Peterson‘s SUV. You‘ve got Pamela Bosco saying Peterson was fearful of her situation and trying to move out days before she disappeared. Now, I know you‘ve got individual responses to each one. PETERSON: Right. ABRAMS: But on the whole, again, everyone else is lying? PETERSON: Well, the problem is, when you - you‘re right. We have individual responses to each one. If you start piling on like that without looking at each individual statement ABRAMS: Let‘s start with - I‘ll throw that to you, Joel. Let‘s start it broadly. All of them are lying, right? BRODSKY: You‘ve got to look at each individual one. You really can‘t say all of them are lying. For example, Pastor Schori - she may have heard that from Stacy. We don‘t know. But let‘s suppose Stacy said that. What‘s her motivation in saying that? Perhaps she thought accusing somebody of a crime they didn‘t commit is a great way to get rid of her husband which she wanted to divorce. ABRAMS: But there‘s a lot of people talking about killing them. I mean, that‘s the thing. You‘ve got a lot of ex-wives, and a fiance, and they‘re all talking about not just, we didn‘t get along, not just things weren‘t going so well. They‘re using the word “killing” with regard to Drew Peterson. BRODSKY: Well, you mentioned Tom Morphey, for example, for example. When you look at him - I‘ve got pictures to show you - recent pictures of Tom Morphey to show you what they‘re relying on. ABRAMS: You say he‘s not credible. You say he‘s not credible. BRODSKY: Well, look at this. ABRAMS: All right. BRODSKY: This is a recent picture of him smoking dope. ABRAMS: You say you‘ve got pictures of him doing drugs. BRODSKY: Yes. ABRAMS: Look, even if - you claim you have pictures. OK.

BRODSKY: What do you do when he‘s not credible? You can‘t trust a man like that, that‘s so stoned he can‘t even stand up. ABRAMS: Did you see, though, that everyone in the context of the case - everyone except for Joel Brodsky and Drew Peterson has to be lying? BRODSKY: No. We didn‘t say that. But what you have to do is you have to examine each person‘s story individually. I mean you can‘t lump them together and say everybody is lying. That‘s simply unfair. That‘s a loaded question. You have to examine each statement individually and look at each person - that‘s how you testify in court. Each statement goes up there. It‘s given. You cross examine it and you‘ll test its reliability. That‘s what we have to do. Just saying there‘s a lot of stuff and gee whiz, statistically you must be guilty is unfair and is a loaded question. ABRAMS: All right. There are - Drew, you said a lot of things about Stacy. You just said some more on this program a few moments ago. You‘ve kind demeaned her, belittled her. I want you to listen to some of the things you‘ve said and I want to ask you whether you regret having said any of this. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) PETERSON: Stacy would ask me for a divorce after her sister died on a regular basis. I‘m not trying to be funny. It was based on her menstrual cycle. Stacy loves male attention. She could be LARRY KING, HOST OF “LARRY KING LIVE”: Ran off with a guy? PETERSON: Ran off with a guy and she could be dancing somewhere. I don‘t know. Stacy wanted it, she got it. She wanted a boob job; I got her a boob job. She wanted a tummy tuck, she got that. She wanted braces, Lasik surgery, hair removal - anything. Stacy loved male attention. And we did all these repairs on her. She wanted it. She got it. (END VIDEO CLIP) ABRAMS: As you know, Drew, all of this stuff sounds like you‘re slamming her. You‘re insulting her and she‘s missing. And a lot of people find that to be really offensive. PETERSON: I don‘t think any of it is insulting or slamming. It‘s just laying out facts. Everything that - all those statements you just played off for me is all facts. That‘s what was happening. ABRAMS: All right. Let me take a quick break here. I‘m going to ask you both to stand by. Joel Brodsky, Drew Peterson are going to stay with us. Coming up, more of my live interview with Drew Peterson. And we‘ll be back in a minute. (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

ABRAMS: We‘re back again with Drew Peterson, who is a suspect in his wife Stacy‘s disappearance, and his attorney Joel Brodsky. All right. Let me ask you about your kids, Mr. Peterson. You said before that everything in your life is now about your kids. How are your kids dealing with, A, the fact that their mom is gone and, B, the fact that you remain a suspect? PETERSON: Well, the fact that I‘m a suspect isn‘t really an issue for the children right now. I mean it‘s not really something that they‘re thinking about every day. But the children get my full attention every day of every week. So they‘re doing fine. My 15-year-old is number one in his class in high school, straight A honors, along with my 13year-old, he‘s straight A honors also. And the little ones are very happy, healthy children. They‘ve been looked at and talked to by psychologists and noted people in the field of child care. And the kids are doing great. ABRAMS: How could the 14 and 15-year-old not be interested in the fact that their father is a suspect in his wife‘s disappearance and there are now questions about his third wife‘s disappearance? I‘ve got to believe a 14 and 15-year-old are going to kind of get it. PETERSON: They‘re 13 and 15. But the thing is, they‘re kind of bored with all this. And they ABRAMS: Really? I mean they‘re bored? I mean Dad‘s a suspect in Mom‘s disappearance and that‘s a boring story to them? PETERSON: They‘re bored with it. The story comes on TV these days and they want to watch “Family Guy” or something kid-appropriate. ABRAMS: Is that because dad is changing the channel? PETERSON: No. I let them watch it and make all of them fully abreast of what‘s taking place. And they‘re pretty much bored with it. ABRAMS: Again, so the older ones know everything about what your fiance had said about you, and what your second wife said, and what happened to the third wife and the fourth wife, et cetera. They know all of that? PETERSON: Yes. ABRAMS: All right. Let me ask you about how you‘ve handled this case. There have been a lot of people who‘ve talked about the fact that you‘ve been very cavalier. When the media has been outside, you‘re making jokes, you‘ve been laughing about it. And I know you‘ve talked about the fact that this has been your way of dealing with it. But would you agree that your public persona has been one that would lead many people to think that you don‘t really care?

PETERSON: I would say so. Because what has kicked in - when all this was bombarding me, I had the press circling my house for months, and the police coming at me. I was scared. I was scared to death. And the way I‘ve dealt with fear or uncomfortable situations in the past is through humor. There was no book written that I could read to say, OK, when this happens, act this way. I was doing the best I can. ABRAMS: You understand why people suspect you, don‘t you? PETERSON: Sure. Without a doubt. ABRAMS: And why do you think they do? PETERSON: They always suspect the husband. It‘s always the husband who did it. Plus, the press has done everything they can to keep me sinister. If anything positive comes out about me, it‘s quickly played down or shot down and not played and not revealed. ABRAMS: But you can understand. I mean you followed, you know, the O.J. Simpson case. You were a cop. I mean, in the O.J. Simpson case, he did nothing to try and find the killer of his wife, and you‘ve done nothing in this case to find your wife. BRODSKY: I disagree with that. We‘ve done everything that we can. We wish that the state‘s attorney or the police would at least use some of their resources to try to find Stacy alive overseas. Interpol can look at the entrance and exit records of every country in the world. ABRAMS: Yes. But the problems, there is no evidence ... BRODSKY: Why don‘t they try that is? ABRAMS: But Joel, I‘ll tell you why. There‘s no evidence, none to suggest she‘s overseas. BRODSKY: Well, there‘s no evidence to suggest she‘s under a bush in Bolingbrook either. Why not you keep an open mind? ABRAMS: But then why not - Joel, you‘ve been very insistent and I‘ll ask this of you, that your client not talk about the timeline ... BRODSKY: Right. ABRAMS: ... about what happened? Why not? BRODSKY: Well, he talked about it once to the Illinois State Police. ABRAMS: So what‘s the problem then discussing it again? BRODSKY: Because I don‘t want - it‘s a very complex timeline. It‘s ... ABRAMS: How can it be so complex? I talked to this person at this time, then this person - I mean what‘s complex about it?

BRODSKY: It goes over a long period of time. It‘s very complex and detailed. And ABRAMS: You can understand why people hear that and they say, come on? BRODSKY: No, I can‘t. Look, there‘s no lawyer - we‘ve gone well beyond what most lawyers would do with the media, and there‘s a reason for it. But, you know, there‘s a certain point I have to draw the line. And that‘s the point I draw the line. ABRAMS: All right. Joel Brodsky, thank you very much for coming back on the program. Drew Peterson, thank you as well. Appreciate it. PETERSON: Dan, thank you. BRODSKY: Thank you.

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